On supporting the Rugby World Cup

Written By: - Date published: 1:16 pm, June 2nd, 2011 - 112 comments
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I seem to vaguely remember hearing in the last couple of days that John Key was calling for people to support the RWC (and his reelection campaign). I could be mistaken because I can’t find it or alternatively that news item has sunk like the expected number of people employed on the cycleway. But I figured I should show my support for the event.

The only problem is that I really don’t have a lot of support to offer, in fact I have a lot of anti-support.

When I was a kid, I played almost every game that was prevalent at the time – including club rugby. But that was something that I did because of the pleasure of doing it, and because my parents appreciated the effects on my growth. I stopped when I was able to do more interesting things like university, being in the army, work, and generally being a adult.

But I’m afraid I’ve never quite grasped the point of having lard-arses who are not playing sitting around squealing with vicarious childish excitement as other people do all of the work. Mostly I look at them and wonder if the supporters are just having a new age moment. Does assiduously watching others exerting effort will somehow transfer its effects to themselves?

Certainly this appears to be the main focus of advertisers where they seem to suggest that I will get the body odor effects of hard exercise from the All Blacks? It doesn’t seem to work for me. I get those effects when I exercise myself rather than having the All Blacks do it for me. When I just sit around watching TV or sitting at a event, I usually just put on weight.

Sure I realize that it is entertainment rather than being anything more serious, but it is also particularly dumb entertainment. And then there are real world effects of others obsessions that I can’t flick off with the remote..

The main thing I notice about the Rugby World Cup is that has been intruding into my life in a noisy and irritating way. It feels rather like having some religious crazy trying to sell me on faith in a book that I’d already read before they were born.

Moreover, Eden park is just over the gully from home, so we’ve been living with the effects of the traffic and construction activity for a while. But in Auckland that is almost background noise. What is annoying are the supporters whose minds have clearly never been exercised by the sport, but whose mouths clearly get far too much exercise – both imbuing and yabbering idiotically at high volumes.

Unfortunately I also live just down from some of the entertainment in Ponsonby and we’re already having the drunken arguments outside the house at 2am about the respective teams. It is a change from the occasional soap operas as boy postures for girl that is our other early morning fare. But at least that is interesting as a soap. Sports commentary by drunks isn’t. I’m expecting to have far more of this both outside my home and from the morons called sports commentators in the media.

So I offer no support for the RWC, and I hope that the damn thing is over sooner rather than later.

But getting to the point of the post. This comedic opinion provided by the Dead Cat Bounce has been the most interesting thing that I’ve seen about rugby in decades.

112 comments on “On supporting the Rugby World Cup”

  1. Anthony 1

    My main gripe is the amount of people being kicked out of their flats so the landlords can make some money off the RWC.

    The 42 day ‘landlord moving back in’ notices seem to be flavour of the month.

    Because of the rental market they will have no trouble getting tenants afterwards.

  2. John D 2

    That video is brilliant!

    • ianmac 2.1

      +1 🙂

      • John D 2.1.1

        ” ball shaped like a giant testicle” it says in the song

        I am getting worried now. Are they supposed to be that shape?

        • Bunnykinz 2.1.1.1

          You could always ask Bob Clarkson so give you a quick squeeze to make sure they’re the right shape. I have heard he is something of an expert on the subject.

    • marsman 2.2

      A funny video. Gay men will laugh, I know.
      After paying for the RWC hooha tax-payers are now urged to get behind it. What are the returns? Less than zilch it seems, but that’s NAct all over.

      • Jim Nald 2.2.1

        Thanks to National’s incompetence and mismanagement, the losses and debt from this and their other failed policies that may result would be their legacy of a Brokeback Mountain for Kiwi taxpayers to climb.

        • Chris 2.2.1.1

          I’m all for criticizing politicians when they’re shut but I’m not sure how national have mismanaged this? When they came to power it was already pretty set what was happening.

          Not saying that means labour mismanaged either. From a political perspective I don’t see that it has been mishandled.

          • Colonial Viper 2.2.1.1.1

            The mismanagement has come from throwing good public money after bad, subsidising private interests each step of the way with tax cuts etc, and pretending that there will be a pay off for NZ at the end by labelling the money spent as an “investment”.

            This at a time the public is being told to tighten its belt and to expect public services and public sector staffing to be slashed.

      • Morrissey 2.2.2

        True enough, marsman—but let’s not forget it was a Labour government that went all out and actually secured the enormous debt tournament.

        • Jim Nald 2.2.2.1

          When Labour went out to secure the tournament, it was not an inevitable debt but it would, with competence and good management (and a RWC minister who hasn’t been caught napping), have been an opportunity to make some profit and use the event to leverage off many spin-off projects and initiatives.

          McCully’s and co’s handling at many steps of the way have been poor and, quite frankly, really dismal. The eye-rolling “cloud” and tupperwaka have been symptomatic of how not to manage your way through and deliver a significant event. The inertia in deciding and announcing the move of fixtures from Christchurch was badly handled and wasted the time of travel agent and visitors who were trying to plan.

          Oh great, looks like “Kiwi taxpayers face a loss of close to $100 million” – so we have about 90 days lead up to RWC and what will be done to turn things round? (I’m in two minds whether to suggest or generate urgency here .. should Nats be left to wallow in their RWC tomb?) So Nats are good with business? Whose business? What business?

          Let’s await the report card on the government come post-RWC. Labour, Winston, Greens and Mana – are you making notes?

  3. happynz 3

    I quite like to watch sport (not all sport mind you – especially not soccer nor excruciatingly boring motor-racing). I also participate in sport to the extent that my physical ineptness allows me. Work can be grim and boring at times so a little bit of entertainment doesn’t go amiss.

    The media’s ‘call to arms’ to get behind the Rugby World Cup does make me cringe a bit. I’m not the flag-waving sort.

  4. vto 4

    lprent that is a bit disappointing. Imagine if similar had been posted about some gay outfit bazaar. Or perhaps the gaggle of gays comment by O’Connor recently. Or similar about Otara Markets. Or… the list goes on. Smells bigoted. It is reverse red-neckism. Sheesh.

    I thought the left were all about tolerance for their fellow manwoman no?

    • lprent 4.1

      Bearing in mind my behavior pattern not only of banning people but also attempting to humiliate them when their behavior causes me too much effort moderating this site. And you still think that I’m a tolerant person?

      I’m tolerant of people arguing a position. I’m not tolerant of idiot behavior and I’m not shy of saying so.

      That doesn’t mean that I either have to agree with a position partially or fully. I will make up my own mind on everything after I have looked at whatever material is going. You should look closely about what I say about people like Damien O’Connor (nothing as I recall). On some things I will express my opinion quite strongly (Chris Carter for instance). I get regular complaints about it.

      In this case it means that I will respect my brother who is a bit of a sports maniac and makes a living from it. It doesn’t mean that I think it is a particularly good idea being a sports spectator like he sometimes is. I will tolerate him talking about it in the same way that he will tolerate me talking about science or computers.

      But I’m afraid that I draw the line at drunken idiots talking about rugby in the street at 2am. I think that is bad behavior – don’t you? That is the position I’m arguing, and I’m attributing it to the boorish behavior that seems to be associated with a lot of rugby supporters. You’re welcome to disagree.

      And the video is just funny….

      • vto 4.1.1

        Yea partly. The video is funny… in the same way that people make jokes about other races and genders and religions and sexual orientations. And look how upset those various groups get when the mickey is taken out their arses. Don’t get me wrong – I’m all for pulling people’s tits. It’s just that so many people seem to get upset at tit pulling yet laugh their own tits off when such humour is directed at people other than them. Hypocrisy of a type.

        And yep anyone yelling in the streets at 2am is a cock-sucker. (may as well get into the swing of things).

        Just pushing the double-standard button that’s all. Doesn’t worry me – get into it I say. Just don’t complain when some other group of people get the mickey taken out of them.

        And on that note… have you heard the one about the maori gaybo riding a horse down Queen Street?

        • stever 4.1.1.1

          Making fun of other people’s free choices and opinions (religion-if it IS a free choice-, sport, dining habits) is OK—might not be popular, or appropriate at some times, or comfortable, but the things we freely choose to do and say (as competent adults) are fair game for criticism and ridicule.

          Things we have no choice over (where we’re born, our orientation, some disability, the colour of our skin, or gender) when ridiculed or argued against in some way is wrong for a competent adult, and such behaviour is rightly criticised.

          Why is it wrong? Because it’s cruel and harmful.

          A video about rugby is surely in the former category.

    • Carol 4.2

      Actually, I thought the video is taking the p**s out of the hard man rugby attitude that uses gay as a term of ridicule -. I’ve seen gay men run a similar line in send-up.

    • felix 4.3

      Haha “reverse red-neckism” v?

      Is that like “reverse stupidity”?

      You must hate those bloody firefighters too v. After all it’s just “reverse arson”.

    • vto, if you think through your position through then the equivalent video clip would involve playing the public’s suspicions of latent heterosexuality at the Big Gay Out (or something) for laughs.

      The problem is that I’m not sure it would get many laughs – and there are a number of reasons for that. Those reasons show why your point doesn’t really ‘scan’.

      I get your sentiment but, by the same token, we shouldn’t make fun of corporate executives who claim they’re innocently running their companies to ‘help society’ or ‘save the environment’. But the fact is that we can (successfully) parody them because of the suspicion that that isn’t their real motive. That’s what so much satire depends upon.

    • Morrissey 4.5

      vto, what the HELL do you mean by “reverse red-neckism”?

      You need to read this…

      Open mike 17/05/2011

  5. ianmac 5

    The ultimate rugby players are the Golden Oldies. Never before, apart from kids games, have I watched such huge pleasure expressed by big old men plodding around the paddock. When one gets a bit puffed he drags off his jersey and hands it over to someone, anyone standing on the sideline. In the first match a brittle old chap fell, wasn’t pushed, and broke his forearm. One of the team rushed off to the sideline, kicked a beercrate to bits, and rushed back on ready to make a splint. They did get proper medical help for him, the injured him I mean.
    So I think the people to be admired are those who play the game at whatever level, and find the manic spectator hard to figure. The few times that I went to watch a “big match” I spent most of my time just watching the watchers. Fascinating.

  6. I wont be supporting the RWC either.

    One of the reason is the lies coming out the media about how global this thing is.

    The other is in my personal exoperience, Rugby fans dont support other sports.

    Its always the rugby fan that is homophobic and calls a soccer fan a poofter.

    Its always the rugby fan that knocks league.

    Its always the rugby fans that knocks basketball.

    I have never heard a feild hocky fan knock another sport.

    I have never heard a netball fan knock another sport.

    But rugby fans tend to do this, perhaps they have some sort of chip on their shoulder??

    So rugby fans enjoy your rwc, but dont exopect non rugby fans to get behind it, because you guys dont get behind our sports.

    • The Voice of Reason 6.1

      Nicely put, Brett. I like to regularly remind my few rugby head friends that NZ are currently World and Four Nations Champions in league and that was acheived against the odds without massive media/government/industry sponsorship. And that Rugby Union is just a pension enhancing option for league players who can’t hack it anymore.
       
      The facts are straightforward. Rugby has ceased to be a significant player sport in NZ, most rural and provincial clubs are amalgamating or folding, bugger all money comes from on high down to the grass roots and if it wasn’t endlessly on the telly, it would quickly whither and die.
       
      It’s a dangerous, ridiculously complex and desperately boring game, mostly played by people who aren’t hard enough for league or bright enough for football. And speaking of football, god spare us from the thugby fans who think they know about the game they play in heaven. There are more teams than Chelsea or Man U, you dimwitted tools and no, you don’t know the offside rule.
       
      I’ve decided to get out of NZ for the whole thing. I’m moving to Abbottabad, Pakistan in late October for a month or so just to avoid the whole World Cup circus. Doing a home swap with a nice bloke with a rather distinctive Saudi accent. Mind you, he hasn’t been in touch recently … hope there’s nothing wrong?

      • Morrissey 6.1.1

        The Voice of Reason: So you don’t like football. That’s fine. Just say it, but leave out the ridiculous, tortured rationale.

        • The Voice of Reason 6.1.1.1

          I love football, Mozza. Played it all my life and and I’m West Ham Till I Die. It’s rugby union I don’t like.

          • Morrissey 6.1.1.1.1

            You don’t like football. This is New Zealand, my friend. Your reasons are unconvincing, by the way. How much do you know about rugby? Not much, judging by your comments.

            Perhaps you’re a rugby journalist?

            • The Voice of Reason 6.1.1.1.1.1

              Ha, I’d make a great rugby journo. I’d be the only honest one in the press room for a start and the only one not grovelling to the RFU. It amazes me how anything the TV commentators say can be understood, what with their tongues so firmly lodged in Graham Henry’s arse. I’d still eat the free tucker and drink the sponsors product, though, but only out of contempt.
               
              Speaking of Henry, in football, he would have been shown the door years ago with a record that awful. Hell, even having a good season doesn’t always save you from being sacked. You’ve got to actually deliver meaningful silverware not promises.
               
              Is it too late to cancel the whole thing? The rest of the world won’t care, because they don’t know it’s happening anyway.

              • Morrissey

                Why do you think the commentators support Henry? Their comments after the last RWC were extraordinarily vitriolic, and ignorant, just as they were before and after the 1999 tournament.

                Speaking of Henry, in football, he would have been shown the door years ago with a record that awful.

                Henry is “in football”. I’m intrigued about this: would you insist on calling soccer “football” if you were in the United States?

                • The Voice of Reason

                  I think they support Henry because their jobs rely on it. To be fair, though, I’m sure there was criticism after the last RWC when they felt safe to comment because they expected him to be sacked. But they would have returned to type as soon as they realised he was staying on.
                   
                  The language is interesting. I don’t know anyone bar you who refers to rugby as football anymore, though there are plenty in football here who still call that game soccer. Footie in Oz is Rules if you live in Victoria, League if you live on the East Coast. And, of course football is Gridiron in the states. NZ Football has made a conscious effort to go with FIFA’s preferred usage and I think it’s only the States that still formally stick to soccer in their national organisation’s name.
                   
                  One of the great things about football is that you don’t need to know what it’s called or indeed even share a language to play the game. It’s such a simple concept and with only only 11 primary rules compared to Rugby’s labrynthine mess it’s no wonder it remains the world’s favourite game. One of my favourite sporting memories was playing in a Moscow park in a pick up game between two sets of students. Russia vs the Rest of the World (mainly Africa) and I didn’t understand a word anyone said from either team, but still managed to slot into the game without difficulty. Fantastic!

                  • Morrissey

                    The language is interesting. I don’t know anyone bar you who refers to rugby as football anymore..
                    Nonsense. You need to get out more.

                    Footie in Oz is Rules if you live in Victoria…
                    No, it’s football. “Footie” is a puerilization.

                    And, of course football is Gridiron in the states.
                    No, football is football. The gridiron is a slang term for the field.

                    NZ Football has made a conscious effort to go with FIFA’s preferred usage…
                    Actually, that stems from a directive by John “Possumhead” O’Neill. Until then, NZ Football had called itself Soccer New Zealand.

                    Your other comments (about rules, etc.) are all very interesting, and I endorse them wholeheartedly.

                    • Samuel Hill

                      You old fellas might still call rugby “football”, but history and the rest of the world will absolve that.

    • Morrissey 6.2

      Its always the rugby fan that is homophobic and calls a soccer fan a poofter.

      Nonsense. I’m a rugby fan and I have never said that, or thought that, about a soccer fan. Same goes for most rugby fans I know. They are far more informed and generous than you say they are.

      Of course, there are certainly halfwits like Andy Haden, who publicly taunted the dying Lew Pryme as a “mincing poofter”, recently slammed rape victims as “sluts” and told lies about the Canterbury Crusaders having a quota policy for Polynesians. The fact is: some rugby fans and players are like that, and unfortunately a disproportionately large number of rugby commentators certainly say demeaning and ignorant things about all manner of things.

      I’ve snipped the rest of your ridiculous comments.

      By the way: you’ve mis-spelled it’s all the way through your splenetic and untruthful rant.

      • Brett Dale 6.2.1

        I go by my own experiences, the amount of times I have been verbally abuse for liking another sport that isn’t rugby, the amount of times I have heard a rugby fan has been ripping into another sport must be in the hundreds.

        I have yet to hear fans of other codes do this, it seems to be ina rugby fan’s mindset to do this.

        • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1.1

          Certainly Rugby fans in NZ can be pricks about it, but it’s the same all over with dominant sports. In Britain football fans deride minority sports, rugby is a ‘poofters game’ etc. To say that it’s particular to some sort of rugby mindset is just showing the exact behaviour yourself.

          To ask the obvious question, what preparations have been made to stem the expected tide of rugby hooligans, in comparison with a FIFA event?

          —————————

          I stopped playing several years ago, and I don’t watch as much as I used to. I don’t like many of the new rules, as they seem to have changed the game from one that was basically all about a contest for possession, (genuinely contested scrums, lineouts, rucks, and mauls) to one about field position where the rules do most of the protection for you and you only lose possesion through fucking up. It’s a faster game to watch, but it’s a fundamentally different game from what it was. I’m finding the contests to be boring in the way that I find league to be boring. Which is not to say that others can’t like it.

        • Morrissey 6.2.1.2

          I go by my own experiences, the amount of times I have been verbally abuse [sic!] for liking another sport that isn’t rugby, the amount of times I have heard a rugby fan has been ripping into another sport must be in the hundreds.
          I suspect these “hundreds” of people were “ripping into” you and your absurdly bloviated sense of injustice.

          I have yet to hear fans of other codes do this, it seems to be in a rugby fan’s mindset to do this.
          Nonsense. Utter nonsense. Just looking at some of the resentful anti-rugby comments on this thread blows your ridiculous excuse for an argument out of the water.

    • Deadly_NZ 6.3

      not only That Brett you forgot the biggest lie from the media: It’s going to be exciting. Yeah right who effing cares???? it has to be the most boring game, so full of Prima donna’s it’s starting to make English soccer seem more blokey..

      I will be so glad when it’s over and we can get back to sanity with league and cricket.

      how do you make Rugby interesting????

      6 tackles then kick or chase!

      • Morrissey 6.3.1

        how do you make Rugby interesting????
        Good point, my friend. I think for a start, all kicks at goal should be drop-kicks, and a team should not be rewarded for putting the ball out of play, as happens now. Quick throw-ins, and quick KICK-ins as well, in any direction.

        6 tackles then kick or chase!
        That’s not the answer. For all its faults, and there are many, Rugby Union is far more spectacular than Rugby League.

  7. Jim Nald 7

    Wasn’t that a high tackle there ?

    • lprent 7.1

      I thought it was more of a fondle…. 😈

      I tell you what though – that is good comedy.  I don’t think I’ll ever be able to look at rugby in quite the same way after watching that clip.

      • Jim Nald 7.1.1

        fondle? lemme watch again …

        • Jim Nald 7.1.1.1

          Hmm .. ok, that could be an ambiguous fondle/tackle.

          The best part of the video is the two guys who, unlike the guys playing rugby, are openly kissing: about 1’45”.

          • prism 7.1.1.1.1

            Perhaps we have the opportunity of spawning a new word to ‘fonkle’. Only the in-people who congegrate on The Standard will know this one, and all the rugby types will be bewildered and confused.

      • Bob 7.1.2

        Have you seen the clip that Dead Cat Bounce made on Golf , just as amusing . They are very funny.

        • lprent 7.1.2.1

          Yep. But that is better visually than in the song.

          Even better in the song is the one about the driving instructor with little kids being viewed as obstacles to learning how to drive.

  8. Carol 8

    I thought it was Murray McCully calling for getting beind the RWC.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/5082817/Get-in-behind-Rugby-World-Cup-boss-urges

    One hundred days out from New Zealand’s biggest international event, and after a year overshadowed by tragedy and recession, Rugby World Cup organisers and the Government are uniting in a call to Kiwis to get behind the tournament.

    • Jim Nald 8.1

      Sounds like he has been caught napping until now and was just suddenly being nudged awake. Yesterday.

    • lprent 8.2

      Could have been.

      There was also some travelling troupe that the RWC organizers had wandering the country that Key was involved in.

      It was something on the TV news background noise that I wasn’t paying attention to. At least not until I woke up and started fuming while I was debating leaving the nice warm bed to hurl abuse on the spectator yobs (they staggered off before I decided – the bed was warm).

  9. randal 9

    all the local tory boys on the dole are rooting for ozzy becuz they know if the AB’s lose then the gnats will be zapped.

  10. Maui 10

    lprent: you have my sympathy. I lived through the RWC in Sydney. It turned out that some of the English tourists I met were a lot better behaved than many of the locals – although in Sydney rugby is generally the game of well-bred private schoolboys while aspiring working-class boys play league.

    This too shall pass.

    What worries me is that the next election seems to hang on the fate of the NZRFU national team.

    • lprent 10.1

      I think that is more the political commentators being their usual simplistic selfs. This kind of stuff works well a long way out from the election in the same manner that sports commentators fill the airwaves with idiotic blather when they are in dead time.

      The reality is that voters tend to firm up markedly close to an election when they actually make up their minds and their minds won’t be swayed by minor trivia unless they don’t think that there is much choice (the united future result in 2002 comes to mind as an example of the latter).

      • Maui 10.1.1

        “The reality is that voters tend to firm up markedly close to an election when they actually make up their minds and their minds won’t be swayed by minor trivia unless they don’t think that there is much choice (the united future result in 2002 comes to mind as an example of the latter).”

        Yes, except that this election date is soon after the end of the RWC when emotions may still be high in various swinging electorates.

        How soon ? I’m frankly not sure. Does anyone have the dates ?

      • Treetop 10.1.2

        Key just wants rugby to be an escape from reality. The problem is when the rugby is gone the reality has to be faced.

      • Morrissey 10.1.3

        sports commentators fill the airwaves with idiotic blather when they are in dead time.

        Correction: Sports commentators fill the airwaves with idiotic blather ALL of the time.

  11. M 11

    Lynn

    LMFAO almost ROFLMAO but not quite although my office chair was groaning in protest. Just the pick me up I needed after a hard out day at work – will be forwarding to friends, thank you.

    ‘But I’m afraid I’ve never quite grasped the point of having lard-arses who are not playing sitting around squealing with vicarious childish excitement as other people do all of the work. Mostly I look at them and wonder if the supporters are just having a new age moment. Does assiduously watching others exerting effort will somehow transfer its effects to themselves?’

    Magic words those and they echo my sentiments exactly – the new age thing, priceless!

    • Carol 11.1

      I enjoy watching some rugby on TV, though I’ve lost interest lately. But to me sport is more like watching a live drama unfold. Sometimes I watch it while working out on the exercise machine – so not everyone is sitting & non-active while watching. I gave up going to matches many decades ago. I grew up in a rugby playing & watching family. In my younger days I spent quite a bit of time socialising with rugby players & spectators. As a teenager, I found much of the misogynistic attitudes, and other expressions of conservatism quite offensive.

      I think all the hype and political maneuvering over the RWC has been putting m off rugny generally lately. I enjoy watching some sports matches on TV, but I am not interested in all the pre- & post match hype & discourse. I dislike the way sport has become extensively commodified & usually am not interested in watching those extravagant opening & closing ceremonies – what a massive waste of money that could best be spent elsewhere!

    • lprent 11.2

      Thanks, I think I was inspired by sleep deprivation…

  12. Dr John Robinson on Radio NZ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uRJXcchOWI&feature=channel_video_title

    World Cup don’t come campaign http://ibwswrc.blogspot.com/
    RUGBY WORLD CUP – DON’T COME
    AN ISLAND BAY WORLD SERVICE CAMPAIGN

    At the 2010 ECO AGM a motion was passed “that Island Bay World Service inform ECO member bodies of its Rugby World Cup, don’t come campaign”. Here is that information, introducing the campaign.

    Rugby fans across the world must stay home and watch the games on television, and thus refuse to waste valuable oil and produce tonnes of greenhouse gases just for a game. That unambiguous call will send a clear message to the world to announce that we understand, we care and we are taking action.
    http://ibwswrc.blogspot.com/

  13. burt 13

    lprent

    Great post lprent, and love the clip. I was just explaining to a person reasonably new to kiwiana a few days ago I’m not a Rugby supporter so I’m not really excited about the World cup. For a Kiwi male it’s like coming out of the closet (I imagine) admitting you don’t really give a toss about Rugby.

    • Lanthanide 13.1

      “For a Kiwi male it’s like coming out of the closet (I imagine) admitting you don’t really give a toss about Rugby.”

      Having done both, they really are nothing alike. Sorry.

    • lprent 13.2

      It was a pretty amusing clip. They do have some other good clips out there as well.

      I enjoyed playing rugby when I was playing it. But that was about as far as it went. The RWC just leaves me totally bored with the inanity of the marketing and that just annoys me to active hostility.

      But I have exactly the same feelings about all sport. Enjoy doing it, bored with spectating, and as hostile to marketing it to me as I am to door to door religionist dogma.

      Bu I have always been like that. It was not that much of a hassle even inside my largely sport mad relatives or being a barman in the equally sport crazy public bars of Hamilton

  14. chris73 14

    Yep looking forward to the RWC (less then 100 days now!) but each to their own I say

  15. Zaphod Beeblebrox 15

    For a professional sport Rugby gets a huge amount of taxpayer support. The Auckland and Dunedin ratepayers are shelling out stadiums which will be controlled by non-public entities. Given the poor state of crowds we get for rugby in this country- you can guarantee these stadiums will need further public support unless you could guarnatee them 1/2 a dozen All-Black tests a year.

    You can see the NZRU are heading for big financial problems after the RWC since they simply can’t get enough people to come to games. Pretty sure the government can’t keep propping up the old boys club. Whats the solution? They need to amke the game more fan friendly and acessible IMO- how about a few S15 day games? You can’t take kids to sport in the dark and rain.

    • Morrissey 15.1

      They need to make the game more fan-friendly and accessible IMO- how about a few S15 day games?

      Hear, hear! In fact, how about nearly EVERY game being played in daylight? And certainly no night games after the end of April.

      You can’t take kids to sport in the dark and rain.
      I don’t really think the intellectuals morons running the game even care about the fans. Or the players, who hate the night games.

      • J Mex 15.1.1

        Hmmm, I’m pretty sure the timing of games has more to do with the enormous European television market, and would have been a condition of our bid.

        We would never have won if the UK viewers had to get up at 3am to watch games.

        Commercial/Commercials reality.

        • Morrissey 15.1.1.1

          You’re right, J Mex. Mind you, in balmy October, night games will come across well.

          The real sin against the players and spectators is night games in the middle of winter.

  16. Sam 16

    Didn’t Helen Clark secure New Zealand the rugby world cup? It’s not rugby’s fault that John is using the RWC to hide his shitty policies and shitty government.

    • lprent 16.1

      She did indeed, at considerable effort. Well she was not always right.

      • McFlock 16.1.1

        ” Well she was not always right.”
        bzzt…bzzt…a.Standard.moderator.does.not.100%.support.everything.HC did… bzzt…tory.brain.melting…bzzt…does.not.compute…bzzt…*pop*

        • lprent 16.1.1.1

          There are some who like things simplistic, and definitely prefer not to deal with reality.

          I worked with Helen in her electorate for about 17 years. We always disagreed at some level on most things because our backgrounds and skills were so different. But she was worth supporting, and evidentially I must have been doing a good job. I wound up targeting the local campaigns for much of that period with good results.

          It was always amusing watching the RWNJ’s with their idiotic ideas about her.

      • Morrissey 16.1.2

        In fact, she was often utterly wrong. Remember how she and her party went into panic mode after the Orewa speech by Don Brash? She listened to some genius of a strategist (Paul Holmes’ ex-classmate Mike Williams perhaps?) and swiftly moved to dissociate Labour from too close an association with Maori, lest Labour suffer pillorying from the likes of Leighton Smith, Michael Laws and Paul Holmes. Hence the abolition of “Closing the Gaps”, and unleashing the likes of Trevor Mallard to make demeaning public comments about “overlong and boring” Maori ceremonies. Then she contemptuously dismissed the ensuing Maori protests.

        Have you forgotten her foul and dishonest treatment of refugee Ahmed Zaoui?

        And perhaps most disgustingly of all, she sat back and grinned as Michael Cullen, Mallard and her friend Winston Peters casually and cynically defamed Keith Locke in the House.

  17. jackal 17

    I think this is a particularly difficult topic to gain traction on. There’s the unfortunate effect of sower grapes in attacking National over their obvious electioneering a sporting event. It creates a juxtaposition in that such a widely supported event will be predominantly accepted despite the political taint of corruption. That’s why the left has to be careful on this issue; any criticism could be easily utilized against them.

    Hang on a sec, the neighbors nutting off again. 😈 Now where was I?

    Like yourself lprent, I played rugby and league and was pretty damn good at it, if I do say so myself. However unlike you I enjoy watching a good rugby game. I like to set the bar pretty high on the politics VS sport conundrum, as there are vast benefits to having a sporting nation. There are vast benefits to being principled as well of course.

    What I really don’t enjoy is the huge amounts of commercialisation that has largely overtaken any enjoyable experience available from these sporting events. That’s where I take the bar down again and feel like smacking a few National politicians and media moguls about the head. They have commercialised the RWC for their own purposes effectively making sport play second fiddle to the almighty dollar. National has paid for that whoring with around $500 million taxpayer dollars, removing employment laws, importing cheap labour and generally doing the dirty all over our Natioanl sport.

    The publics going to lap it up… Be sure that you don’t tell them its poison before they start feeling sick.

    • Colonial Viper 17.1

      There’s the unfortunate effect of sower grapes in attacking National over their obvious electioneering a sporting event.

      No real need for the Left to be labelled as “good sports” this election year. Especially when the only families who can go to RWC All Black games in our own country need to be willing and able to spend many hundreds of dollars on tickets alone to do so.

      Ordinary NZ’ers being priced out of eating, living and playing in our own country, why pretend that we like it?

      • jackal 17.1.1

        After reading the comment of PeteG below, I tend to side with your analysis there CV. “The gloves are off.” Perhaps PeteG thinks that a kinder gentler form of fascism is acceptable, or that the some $500 million dollars that taxpayers are stumping up for the RWC is OK! In my book, when you rob the poor to pay for a sporting event for the wealthy, that’s a line in the sand that should not have been crossed. I’m not saying that flower bombing is appropriate in these circumstances, but a good dose of reality in the form of anger might be just what the hobbits need to wake the fuck up!

        • higherstandard 17.1.1.1

          Go for it [name deleted], I look forward to you protesting outside the All Blacks games during the cup………. especially if they lose the game.

          • terryg 17.1.1.1.1

            nice implied threat there.

            last year I went to the AB-vs-dont_gice_a_shit_who game in Hong Kong – my SIL and her husband are mad keen rugby fans. the game was OK, although I cant recall who won.

            Afterwards, however, the behaviour of the drunken hordes of fuckwits (AKA “spectators”) made me truly ashamed to be a kiwi. boorish doesn’t even begin to describe it.

            Having watched that most hilarious video above, I can now posit a hypothesis explaining the aggressive behaviour – its all due to the internalisation of angst over their own repressed homosexuality. this would also nicely explain the rampant, overt homphobia of rugby fans, as evinced by the frequent usage of “faggot” etc. as insults.

            I cant help but wonder how many current or former all blacks have permanent name suppression for violently assaulting their spouses? Its fun to ask that of rugby-heads, but look out for violent responses 🙂

            wrt the RWC itself – fuck the RWC. I cant not support it as I’m, a taxpayer and we’re coughing up the bulk of the dosh (for no aparent reward), but I do hope NZ gets knocked out in the quarter-finals.

            And I’m still confused as to why the 2nd Mangere bridge was required for the RWC – I can only presume the influx of RWC tourists is expected to include their vehicles as well.

            • higherstandard 17.1.1.1.1.1

              No I’m not threatening [name deleted] – but I admit it would be a laugh to see him get a good kicking and have a cry.

              • The Voice of Reason

                Too late, HS, you should have been here yesterday!

                • higherstandard

                  I did have a titter thanks to yours and Eve’s efforts.

                • J Mex

                  “No real need for the Left to be labelled as “good sports” this election year. Especially when the only families who can go to RWC All Black games in our own country need to be willing and able to spend many hundreds of dollars on tickets alone to do so” – CV

                  That will be a winning strategy for the left – Come out against the Rugby world cup.

                  First, Peter Jackson
                  Second, Rugby World Cup

                  Third? Maybe diss the Memory of Sir Ed Hillary?

                  You need to be in the strategy brains trust mate.

    • PeteG 17.2

      I’m a keen rugby supporter too, and also don’t care for the overdose of commercialism, but unfortunately that’s part of any high profile game these days, in any sport.

      I’m interested in the RWC and I’ll follow it keenly, but I haven’t decided if I will see any games live yet, even though I live not far from the new Dunedin stadium.

      Whether you like rugby or sport or commercialism or not, the RWC (as an event) is very important for New Zealand, financially and image-wise.

      As much as I don’t like the commercialism, I detest the attempted politicising of it. If Labour was still in government I bet they would be pushing it as much as they could – or at least they should. It’s not yet another great RW conspiracy.

      It’s coincidental that it happens to be in the same year as an election. The timing of the election is logical and very much as expected and as it should be. Get over it.

      The RWC won’t defeat Labour. They are making a good job of doing that themselves.

      And I – and I expect many others – will be very very pissed off if the RWC is disrupted and adversely affected by political opportunists. It would be like kicking trying to kick the country in the guts. (Reasonable peaceful non-disruptive protest is ok)

      • lprent 17.2.1

        I haven’t seen Labour politicizing the RWC? I wish that they would.

        As far as I’m concerned the state should not be putting ANY money into most sports (as sports) outside of the school-kid level (which does serve some social purpose). There are a few adult sports that do also perform a useful social need – for instance the ones for surf-guards.

        Most of the sports appear to be there entirely for the entertainment industry. If there are state funds put into them, then they should compete with the rest of the entertainment industries rather than running from separate funds as they are now. The amount of state and local govt money that has been pushed into just the upgrades on Eden Park this last year or so would dwarf almost every other levels of support for any other part of the entertainment industry for decades.

        That is the type of political discussion I’d like to see.

        • higherstandard 17.2.1.1

          “Most of the sports appear to be there entirely for the entertainment industry. If there are state funds put into them, then they should compete with the rest of the entertainment industries rather than running from separate funds as they are now.”

          I agree with you completely Lynn (with the odd exception) but can you imagine the howling you’d get if you replaced ‘sports’ with ‘the arts’ ?

          • lprent 17.2.1.1.1

            I really don’t care that much if it is arts or sport or NZ on-air or film commission or whatever.

            It is the silo’ing of such funds that I object to more because of the evident inequities it causes. The amount of state funds that go into sport (including such things as state gambling) completely dwarf those that go to all other types of entertainment. The amount of money that goes into making frigging game shows and reality TV probably dwarfs what is put into airing any other on-screen programmes.

            You could argue a pretty good case that arts that examine local mores and culture have valid place for funding. For instance historical programs like Belich’s series on the Moari wars have been massively influential on our culture. Ditto for such things as museums and art galleries. But at present the silo’ing means that these things are fighting for part of a very small budget while sport takes the bulk of the entertainment money.

            • higherstandard 17.2.1.1.1.1

              “The amount of money that goes into making frigging game shows and reality TV probably dwarfs what is put into airing any other on-screen programmes.”

              I attempt not to think about such things lest I get testy (.. ….well more testy)

        • PeteG 17.2.1.2

          I haven’t seen Labour politicizing the RWC?

          Neither have I. I’m sure most Labourites aware of the importance of getting some sort of return on a major investment – for the country and for their own efforts on bringing it to NZ, without a huge (Labour) government effort it wouldn’t be happening here.

          It tends to be would be radicals on the fringes who are political opportunists, like Hone’s Mum, and the odd one on the blogs.

  18. Sookie 18

    I’ve never liked rugby and the majority of its meatheaded fanboys, and now my rates are paying for a stupid bloody white elephant of a stadium no one really wants, I REALLY don’t like it. I hope the AB’s lose, simply to deprive Smug Key all the faux feel good buzz. Go the Springboks.

  19. tc 19

    Rugby is perfect foil for the NACT, elitist with little of the ‘trickle down’ to where it’s needed to produce the next meads etc. It’s disconnected from it’s roots and has forgotten what makes a strong league/competition, tribalism.

    European football has strength and depth because it allows teams to rise and fall and they all enjoy strong local connections that see them through. In contrast to the NZRU wrecking the NPC and generally having f’all idea about how professional sport actually works.

    Carter and Mccaw are at the end of their careers in terms of being top AB’s so a 5 year contract stifles the next gen players desperately needed…..richie will be injured more often than not and DAN chokes when it matters most.

    Not selecting overseas players is a joke, Brazil has won 5 world cups because they pick their best players not just brazillian based players. I find there’s many comparisons between the incompetence of the government and the NZRU.

    This RWC is a celebration of a boys club game that isn’t global, easy to watch nor our national game IMO as the brand has been devalued by the chumps in charge and if the AB’s don’t win then they only have themselves to blame for reappointing failure in Henry
    and his yes man culture club.

    We were great when we had onfield leaders…..don’t see any leaders just Henrys yes men. Professionalism levelled the playing field and we haven’t stepped up.

    • Morrissey 19.1

      …if the AB’s don’t win then they only have themselves to blame for reappointing failure in Henry
      and his yes man culture club.

      Errr, you’ve forgotten one extremely important factor that just might have something to do with the All Blacks possibly failing to win. The opposition? You do know they have FRANCE in their pool, don’t you?

      • sean maitland 19.1.1

        Yeah but the top two teams get out of their pool anyway, so its a given that both the AB’s and France will qualify for the next round. I think Tonga will relish the chance to bash up the Frenchies and will keep them on their toes for a while, but will still end up getting well beaten. No-one else in the pool will challenge either team.

        • Morrissey 19.1.1.1

          I agree with you. Bear in mind, though, that in 1999, Tonga actually beat France, on that absurd tour which culminated in the 54-7 thrashing by the All Blacks in the last test ever at Athletic Park.

          Fools like Murray Deaker, Wynne “Sensible” Gray and Martin Devlin all seemed to think that would be how France played when they actually made an effort in the World Cup a few months later…

  20. sean maitland 20

    I’m going to 5 games in Wellington and have category A seats for the final. I love that our country is hosting such a big event, and am sure its going to be an awesome time for a lot of NZers.

    Its fine not liking it and being over the media exposure and hype (even though the hype will only increase from here), but the people having a go at it and criticising the fact that we are even having it just come across as being mean-spirited old farts who can’t enjoy themselves.

    People complaining about ticket prices are off the mark too, as the 5 games in the Wellington pool pack only cost $60 each, which is far less than you would be paying for a normal test match ticket.

    The influx of 80,000 tourists is going to be a massive boost for our economy and couldn’t have come at a better time after the proverbial crap our economy has been going through lately.

    My only major gripe is the douchebag companies (airlines, hotels etc) who have put their prices up, and the douchebags trying to rent out their accomodation for astronomical prices while kicking their tenants out for a few weeks – I hope karma comes back and hits them somehow – maybe in the form of their rental properties being trashed.

    • PeteG 20.1

      I don’t agree with trashing property, not even suggesting it, but I agree with the rest of your post.

      • Samuel Hill 20.1.1

        I think a lot of folks are gonna get a shock as to how few people actually turn up.

        • Colonial Viper 20.1.1.1

          Attending the RWC during a global recession? I dont even think that many australians will turn up – at least not as many as the rosy forecasts. Australians are saving at the moment, not spending.

        • Morrissey 20.1.1.2

          Anti-football guy goes down on knees: “Please Lord, make them stay away from the games. I’ll never lust after Nikki Kaye again, Lord, if only you make the people keep away from the RWC. And Judith Collins too. I won’t lust after her from now on. If only you keep the people away from the games, Lord!.”

          • M 20.1.1.2.1

            Nikki Kaye? All right, but Judith Collins as an object of lust?

            The set of Jude’s mouth should serve as a warning to any potential suitor that is unless he’s planning on buying her some leathers.

            • Morrissey 20.1.1.2.1.1

              Judith Collins as an object of lust?

              Yes of course. She has that Rosa Klebb thing happening.

      • sean maitland 20.1.2

        I don’t really agree with it either – just couldn’t think of other ways karma could come back to such people.

        I don’t believe the way to run a good business is by treating clients badly and/or simply as a source of income. They need to get a good deal in return. Some people don’t have morals and/or consciences I guess.

  21. tc 21

    So we reappoint a coach who’s failed to figure out how to beat France and given the history at this tournamnet between us shouldn’t he have had a game plan specifically to counter them ….sorry I’m still not getting it Morrissey.

    Your logic suggests we’ve got france, give up now…..you pay coaches to overcome this (and there’s 3 of them !) but as I see you’ve already got the excuses lines up…..like the NZRU.

    • Pascal's bookie 21.1

      bwahahaha, not this shit again.

      Watch that game again. It’s not the AB coaches’ fault that we were getting penalised again and again and again and France wasn’t. What that means is that France played a blinder and our on-field leadership couldn’t adapt to what the ref was telling them. But criticising the blessed cantab is something the AB fan cannot do, ergo “Blame Henry!’

      Beyond that, since when does the RWC become the be all and end all of judging performance. Union is not soccor. It doesn’t have ‘friendlies’. Which is what happens if you think that winning the rwc is the only thing that counts.

      The RWC doesn’t determine who is the best. Look at the format. It’s clearly not designed to find the ‘best team’. It’s a carnival, enjoy it. If you want to judge a coach, look at their overall win/loss records. Do that, and tell me how henry stacks up.

    • Morrissey 21.2

      So we reappoint a coach who’s failed to figure out how to beat France and given the history at this tournament between us shouldn’t he have had a game plan specifically to counter them ….sorry I’m still not getting it Morrissey.

      Are you seriously trying to suggest that Henry, one of the the most technically brilliant, diligent and well organised coaches ever, didn’t have a game plan for the quarter-final? Where did you get THAT piece of intelligence from?

      Your logic suggests we’ve got france, give up now…..
      That is not what I said at all. What I said was: we’ve got France, and they should be respected. The players and coaches do, of course; the problem is with uninformed boosters posing as rugby journalists.

      you pay coaches to overcome this (and there’s 3 of them !) but as I see you’ve already got the excuses lines up…..like the NZRU.
      What an absurd statement. You’ve completely misconstrued what I wrote.

  22. tc 22

    That’d be the onfield leadership that still gets Henry’s backing as the right bloke for the job and a fat new NZRU contract.

    A real onfield leader like say mourie all those years ago being a classic with haden’s lineout dive, would as you say adjust to the ref’s performance so how do our chances look with that same structure in place from 2007.

    Agree about the format and it being a carnival to enjoy but if you stick with henry, who sticks with Mccaw then as you say it doesn’t matter as the winner’s not the best based on the format so who really cares….lets sit back and enjoy the plastic waka.

    • Pascal's bookie 22.1

      I guess my main point is that the wrc is a really hard tournament to win, and you need luck. From that. I think it is pretty funny that lots of people seem to think that winning a WRC is what we should judge a coach or a team on, rather than their record over time.

      Let’s look at Graham Mourie, rightly regarded as a top AB captain.

      http://www.sporting-heroes.net/rugby-heroes/displayhero.asp?HeroID=7010

      His performances earned him the captaincy for the tour of France later in the year, and that drawn two test series would be the first of six encounters against the Cockerels….

      ….In partnership with legendary coach Jack Gleeson, Graham orchestrated victories over all four home nations, and was named player of the tour. In 1979 the French arrived in New Zealand and were able to draw the series 1-1 with Graham blaming the second test loss on lineout problems. That game saw Mourie score the first of four test tries when he capitalised on good work by Murray Taylor near the end of the game. However, the season ended rather disappointingly when he captained the All Blacks to a 12-6 defeat in Sydney, their first loss on Australian soil for thirty years.

      Nowadays that would be considered a failure. A drawn series against france in france, and another in NZ, and a loss to the then awful aussies in Sydney.

      • sean maitland 22.1.1

        Clearly tc never actually watched Mourie play and is just pulling stuff out of a hat without thinking people might know better.

        One needs to look no further than what Clive Woodward achieved with England over two World Cups to see what investment in a coach can achieve. They have only ever beaten the AB’s in NZ twice in the history of the game and they managed it once during that purple patch.

        • Morrissey 22.1.1.1

          One needs to look no further than what Clive Woodward achieved with England over two World Cups to see what investment in a coach can achieve.

          Sean, you should take care to not over-praise Woodward. The strength of that England team was due to the leadership on the field of a small group of exceptional players—Johnson above all, and his inspiring lieutenants Dallaglio, Back, and Wilkinson. As we saw only too clearly on the Lions tour in 2005, Woodward was neither tactically astute nor particularly good at man-management.

  23. Craig 23

    Me, I only watch rugby if the Crusaders are playing (it’s genetic- I’m from ChCh originally). I’m more into Super 15 than AB stuff. And while I hate to be disloyal, what if we end up losing the forthcoming RWC, again…??? Oooh. No economic spin- oops, sorry, I meant spin *off* (although, come to think of it…) for N/ACT. Hmmmm…

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    I've got one source saying more Labour MPs than expected are mulling whether to vote for the deal - including names who were not on the letter to Juncker and Tusk— Emilio Casalicchio (@e_casalicchio) 17 October 2019 I've compiled a list of possible reasons why Labour ...
    5 days ago
  • Why do we need control orders again?
    On Wednesday, the government was loudly telling us that it needed to legislate to allow it to impose "control orders" - effectively a parole regime, but imposed without charge, prosecution, conviction or real evidence - on suspected terrorists because they couldn't be prosecuted for their supposed crimes. Today, it turns ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Bullshitting the Minister
    On Monday, the Hit and Run inquiry heard from NZDF's former director of special operations, who claimed that the defence Minister knew everything about the Operation Burnham raid. Today, the inquiry heard from that (former) Minister - and it turns out that he didn't know nearly as much as NZDF ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Extinction Rebellion is not a cult (but ecstasy for the people)
    Yoga gurus and cult leaders – I’ve seen a few. Two weeks ago, I unknowingly joined an alleged new-age cult at the Kāpiti coast, together with a giant kraken and some neatly dressed pensioners who would make any book club proud.They were among the two hundred people of all ages ...
    5 days ago
  • We need to bring the police under control
    The last decade has seen a trend of increasing weapons availability to police. Assault rifles. Tasers on every hip. Guns in cars. And following the march 15 massacre, pistols on every hip, all over the country. At the same time, its also seen an increase in the abuse of force: ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • If you can’t measure it, does it exist?
    In the last couple of weeks, I’ve been busy preparing for our summer paper on Science Communication. Looking for something amusing about ‘risk’ in science, I came across this neat xkcd.com cartoon about why so many people come knocking on my door (or phoning me, or emailing me) desperately wanting ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    6 days ago
  • Swinson’s swithering
    Jo Swinson is doing even worse at this Being Sensible lark that I'd thought.  I've just become aware of the following utterance
    .@KayBurley presses Lib Dem leader @joswinson on whether she would agree to a #Brexit deal 'no matter how bad a deal it is' as long as it had ...
    6 days ago
  • Women’s rights, trans ideology and Gramsci’s morbid symptoms
    by John Edmundson The International Socialist Organisation (ISO) have recently reposted a February article, by Romany Tasker-Poland, explaining ISO’s position in the “trans rights” debate.  It is available on their website and on their Facebook Page.  The article sets out to explain why “socialists support trans rights”.  It reads more ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • We need to take guns off police
    Today's IPCA report of police criminality: a police officer unalwfully tasered a fleeing suspect who posed no threat to anyone:The police watchdog has found an officer unlawfully tasered an Auckland man who broke his ankle jumping off a balcony to escape arrest. [...] To avoid arrest, the man jumped over ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • “Bringing kindness back”
    "Auckland City Mission: 10% of Kiwis experiencing food insecurity", RNZ, 16 October 2019:About half a million people are experiencing food insecurity, according to new research from the Auckland City Mission. Food insecurity, or food poverty, is defined as not having enough appropriate food. The City Mission said over the last ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Press Release: “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance b...
    Media Statement for Immediate Release 16th October 2019 “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers Despite comments from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers—Herald Newspaper Tuesday Oct 15th–there is very little evidence ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    6 days ago
  • Ever-So-Slightly Bonkers: Simon Bridges Plays To His Base.
    Would You Buy A Used Propaganda Video From This Man? Bridges and the National Party’s strategists have discovered that the ideas and attitudes considered acceptable by today’s editors and journalists are no longer enforceable. The rise and rise of the Internet and the social media platforms it spawned means that ...
    7 days ago
  • Asking for food
    There is plenty of evidence of the way the business mentality has permeated every level of society since the recrudescence of market liberalism 35 years ago. You only need to think of how citizens in need of help from their government, their state, their country, are now routinely described as ...
    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    7 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
    John MacCormick Over the last 40 years, New Zealanders – and people in other countries – have experienced big changes in the jobs they do and where they live and work. These changes include: a decline in manufacturing jobs an increase in jobs in ‘information-intensive’ industries (which are better paid ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    7 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
    Nick Wilson, Leah Grout, Mereana Wilson, Anja Mizdrak, Phil Shoemack, Michael Baker Protecting waterways has the benefits of: (1) protecting water from hazardous microbes; (2) minimising cancer risk and other problems from nitrates in water; (3) avoiding algal blooms that are hazardous to health; (4) protecting mahinga kai uses (cultural ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    7 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In a press release today Massey University announced it has decided to rebrand and reorientate after struggling to be a University for grown-ups. For some time the University has wanted to be a safe play space for wee-woke-misogynists who have been really badly triggered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
    After a brief dalliance with 'hard Revoke' it looks like the Lib Dems are changing ground on on Brexit, with leader Jo Swinson reverting to calling for a second referendum on Johnson's deal.The party has tabled an amendment to the Queen’s speech requesting that any deal brought back from Brussels ...
    1 week ago
  • An odious bill
    The government has decided that someone has done Something Bad. But despite their belief, there seems to be no evidence that they have actually broken the law. So the government's solution is to pass a retrospective law allowing them to be punished anyway, on a lower standard of proof. If ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
    So, Judith Collins has done a Facebook rant about climate change, peddling the same shit National has been shovelling for the past twenty years: the impacts are overstated, there's no need to do anything about it, and its too hard anyway (oh, and its so unfair that people who peddle ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz There is a lot of discussion on the benefits of ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
    I came across this song quite by accident. If it isn't one of Greta Thunberg's favourites - it should be.Video courtesy of YouTube.This post is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    1 week ago
  • Passing the buck
    Last month, NZDF's shoddy coverup of what it knew about civilian casualties in Operation Burnham began to fall apart, with the revelation that a report on the matter, which NZDF claimed not to have, had been sitting in an NZDF safe for the past nine years. Yesterday, the man responsible ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
    While many imagine that countries like the USA and Europe dominate space activities, in fact India is now a major player on this stage. It launches satellites for its own purposes and also commercially, and has constellations orbiting our planet and returning data of vital importance to that nation in ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
    Thanks to a report from the Acting Inspector General of Intelligence and Security following a complaint by Nicky Hager, we have come to find out that the SIS illegally spied on Mr. Hager on behalf of the NZDF after publication of Hager’s 2011 book, Other People’s Wars. The NZDF justified ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
    COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate. FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    1 week ago
  • A climate of tyranny
    For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Collins crushes climate
    An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    1 week ago
  • More disappointment
    When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
    A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
    1 week ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
    The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
    1 week ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    2 weeks ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is this study legit? 5 questions to ask when reading news stories of medical research
    Hassan Vally, La Trobe University Who doesn’t want to know if drinking that second or third cup of coffee a day will improve your memory, or if sleeping too much increases your risk of a heart attack? We’re invested in staying healthy and many of us are interested in reading ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    2 weeks ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago

  • Minister of Finance and Sport and Recreation to visit Japan and Vietnam
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson departs tomorrow for events and meetings in Japan and Vietnam.  While in Japan, he will discuss economic and fiscal issues including meeting with the Minister of Finance, Taro Aso, and Minister of Economic and Fiscal Policy, Yasutoshi Nishimura. He will meet with the Minister of Education, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Dashboard tracks housing progress
    The Government’s Housing Dashboard released today confirms record numbers of state houses are under construction and shows the Government build programme is gaining momentum.  “After nine years of inaction, and a hands-off attitude from the previous government we’re starting to see things move in the right direction for housing,” says ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • Ministerial Statement on the International Convention Centre fire
    Mr Speaker, I wish to make a ministerial statement relating to the Auckland fire. The Government is closely monitoring the situation with the fire at the NZ International Convention Centre and is thankful that everyone is now safe. Firefighters are doing an incredible job managing the fire and bringing it ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago
  • Government invests in Te Reo, environmental data research
    The Government is investing in ambitious research that will digitise Te Reo, grow the low-carbon protein efficient aquaculture industry, help interpret environmental trends, and large data sets says Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods. The four projects range from teaching Siri to speak Te Reo to crunching large environmental ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    15 hours ago
  • Government announces next steps as part of a comprehensive plan to fix skills gap
    A new education-to-employment brokerage service to strengthen connections between local employers and schools. Funding for more trades focused ‘speed-dating’ events to connect schools with employers. Promotional campaign to raise profile of vocational education. The Government is taking action to increase the number of young people taking up vocational education and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago
  • Corrections Amendment Bill passes third reading
    A Bill to improve prison security and ensure the fair, safe, and humane treatment of people in prison while upholding public safety has passed its third reading. Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis says the Corrections Amendment Bill makes a number of changes to ensure the Corrections Act 2004 is fit for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Ngāi Tahu CEO appointed to NZ-China Council
    Minister for Māori Development, Nanaia Mahuta, has selected Arihia Bennett MNZM, Chief Executive Officer of Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu, as the Te Puni Kōkiri appointed representative on the New Zealand-China Council. The New Zealand-China Council (the Council) was established in 2012 as a New Zealand led and funded organisation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Southern Response claims move to EQC
    Responsibility for processing the small number of Southern Response claims still to be settled will be transferred to EQC by the end of the year. “As claim numbers reduce, it no longer makes sense for the Crown to have two organisations processing the remaining Canterbury claims,” Grant Robertson says. “Since ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Bowel screening starts in Whanganui
    Health Minister David Clark is encouraging Whanganui residents to take up the opportunity for free bowel screening, which can detect cancer early when it’s easier to treat.   Over the next two years 12,000 Whanganui locals, aged 60 to 74 will be invited to participate in the National Bowel Screening ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Pacific Peoples Minister to attend Our Ocean Conference in Norway
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio, heads to Oslo today to represent New Zealand at the sixth Our Ocean Conference, which is being hosted by the Norwegian Government from the 23-24 October. “The Our Ocean Conference mobilises real action on issues like marine plastic pollution and the impacts of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government announces 27 percent increase in Trades Academy places
    Two secondary-school initiatives are being expanded as part of the Government’s plan to see more young New Zealanders take up a trade to help close the skills gap.   This includes the largest single increase in Trades Academy places in recent years. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures Conference: Connection...
    Session 4: Pacific Connectivity – Youth, Media and New Opportunities   Kia ora tatou katoa and Warm Pacific greetings to one and all. Representatives of Tainui, the local people of the land, or manawhenua – the indigenous peoples of this area – have welcomed you this morning in accordance with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
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    5 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
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    6 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
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    6 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
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    6 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
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    6 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
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    7 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
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    7 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
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    7 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
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    7 days ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
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    7 days ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
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    1 week ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
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    1 week ago
  • NZ economy strong amid global headwinds
    New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Keeping New Zealanders safer with better counter-terrorism laws
    Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
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    1 week ago
  • Improved succession and dispute resolution core of Ture Whenua changes
    A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech to CTU Biennial Conference
    Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
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