anyone not deeply concerned about this needs to take a good hard look at themselves.
you have it from our Minister of Justice. If you are a parent of a 12 year old who identifies as a member of the opposite sex, and as a parent you say no to your child taking puberty blockers (that countries such as the UK and Finland no longer allow and for which there is no good evidence for their efficacy), then it would be seen to be attempting conversion therapy and said parent could be dragged through the legal process and face five years in jail.
who in earth in the right mind thinks this is ok? Labour has been completely captured by gender ideology and have completely lost it.
I will be actively campaigning to see them voted out
Its absolute insantiy, its lucky the Nats are a shamble because if stuff like this starts getting traction alongside hate speech legislation the the tide will turn against the govt very quickly… fuck lightbulbs and showerheads became a flashpoint for Helen Clarke this will be much much worse.
Is it all the same to a Labour Voter? Your child is comparable to a shower head or maybe an EV?
Funny though, that what people fear under national they wholeheartedly agree with under labour. So its not a question of 'better' its a question of unquestioning loyalty and as always in these cases the most vulnerable will pay the bill.
In this case, kids that may wake up in the future, with their reproductive organs destroyed in the name of a bullshit gender ID.
As for the lightbulbs and showerheads, ask yourself if you will be rich enough in the future to have enough money to pay for the electricity and the water use?
well, i voted for Helen Clark that last election that she lost to John Key. I would have loved to vote for Jeaneatte Fitzsimmons, but all that is history.
To compare the potential of long lasting physical damage to people because as pre- teens they wanted to be the opposite sex for waht ever reasons shows to me that some people have lost what it means to be human imo.
Maybe the governments decision to mutilate the children of this country in the name of Gender ID is cheaper then to actually tackle sexual harrasment /rape /physical violence against girls and women, and it must be certainly cheaper tehn actually providing mental health support to those who need and want it.
The issue of parents facing five years in prison for telling their kids they are not getting puberty blockers is the what I posted about.
Bringing in light bulbs and showerheads is just a deflection technique and has no relevance to the conversion therapy bill .
Muttonbird either have the guts to say you don;t think there is a problem with parents who say no to their 12 year old taking puberty blockers facing a five year prison sentence or admit that things are going horribly wrong.
My point was that voters dont like govts telling them how to live and the certainly wont like being told how to raise their children and being potentially criminalized for it.
To be clear im completely against the proposed as I am hate speech legislation
ok Muttonbird, I take your point. I think you then added "yet here we are all using light bulbs and showerheads".
I interpreted this as meaning in 15 years time no one with be bothered about kids on puberty blockers. My apologies if that is not what you meant at all
I don't imagine parents are going to go to prison for blocking blockers.
What Faafoi should have said to 1ZB was that he hoped parents and children would discuss all options available with qualified medical and psychological experts and find out what's best for their family.
1ZB’s gotcha, shock-jock broadcasting does not help inform the public well on sensitive subjects.
I think they are disgraceful myself but aggressive, fake-news reporting seems to be the favoured model as media outlets vie for the ears of cashed up conservative wankers.
Depends on whom you ask. I think some people would argue that those nine long years were the golden years of and for the National Party. It was only because the Election was ‘stolen’ from them that they didn’t get a fourth term, it was that close.
Efficacy at what; Anker? The evidence is certainly conclusive that GnRHa are efficacious in the role of blocking the onset of puberty. Maybe you mean; effective in creating positive health outcomes for the patients? But even that isn't very controversial, though at least less clearcut:
Gonadotrophin-releasing hormones have been used to delay puberty since the 1980s for central precocious puberty. These reversible treatments can also be used in adolescents who experience gender dysphoria to prevent development of secondary sex characteristics and provide time up until 16 years of age for the individual and the family to explore gender identity, access psychosocial supports, develop coping skills, and further define appropriate treatment goals. If pubertal suppression treatment is suspended, then endogenous puberty will resume.
If dysphoria is too difficult a topic, lets shift over to precocious puberty. Whatever the opinions on Trans use of puberty blockers, can we at least agree that pre-teens are really not mature enough to go through puberty, and that it's good to have medicine to delay that?
Youngest mother on record was Lina Medina at 5years age (father was never identified – pre Franklin, so no DNA tests); apparently she's still alive somewhere in Peru. She would likely have appreciated access to puberty blockers!
Forget now…………….NICE have done a thorough review of these medications. There findings show no or very low evidence of benefit
NICE (National Institute for Clinical and Health Care Excellence ) review most medical treatments. they are independent and scrupulous in their findings. Their finding trump any other research you might quote. In this case there is no debate about this.
Moving along now Forget Now are you ok with parents of a 12 year old who say no to puberty blockers facing a prison sentence for five years?
I am not hear to debate the issue of precocious puberty. I would hope that clinicians consult with parents about medical options and that the parents have a very large say in that, if not the only say and don’t face five years in jail for saying no.
What's the efficacy in using puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria?
How many kids on PBs progress to cross sex hormones?
What risks are there from both classes of drugs?
Why aren't the voices of detrans people being heard in this debate, especially detrans lesbians?
ie young women who transitioned to trans men, then detransitioned for a range of reasons including it made no difference to their GD or made it worse.
Young lesbians who found an easier pathway to being a trans man than an out lesbian, but who later realised that radical surgery and hormones came at a huge cost that wasn't warranted in their case.
Young people in a huge bloody mess whose only option was gender identity affirmation from clinicians, and who weren't offered or supported into looking at other mental health issues or social pressures, and who weren't offered other treatments eg counselling.
The reason for little or no trans or ex trans comments on this list is, I would posit, pretty easy to discern from recent post. What posts you ask, the ones where lots of people on this list made statements of support for trans people at the same time as declaring they are just (in the case of MTF) Men in dresses, I'm sure you can find them fairly easily, there are lots of them, some of them attacking Stephanie Rodgers for example. I'm only commenting because I've had enough of being demonised by people who post things like 'NICE' research trumps any other you could come up with. O course it does if it agrees with y ur view of the world and how it works. I will at least be up front here, I am a 64 year old Trans woman and I don't agree with self identifying. I also think that there is a lot of transphobia in some of those posts. Don't think I'm saying people hate trans folk, I'm not because that's not what transphobia is. The word says it, it is a phobia, a fear of trans people, though why anyone would fear me is pretty inconceivable. You have come up with Women Space, good on you, I'm not asking for transpace because I suspect I might be the only, or one of the very few trans people who read the Standard on a regular basis so what would be the point, but I certainly wouldn't feel welcome in the women's space, and believe me I don't actually care what anyone thinks of me personally but there are some pretty broad brush strokes being made in the posts I have referred to. Anyway, my 2 cents worth.
Nobody has been attacking Stephanie Rodgers. Lots of people criticised her argument which (if you read the recent post) declared the obvious fact that biological males gain significant long lasting sporting performance advantages during puberty, to be irrelevant. She is however welcome to make a serious argument at any time, just this early cut was perceived as feeble (a bunch of slogans which are clearly contradicted by the evidence).
I reckon the next five years in NZ will go something like this:
A government, court, sporting body, or any damned institution anywhere will make a reasoned judgement on the issue, mostly with a genuine intention of making the best call with the best available knowledge at the time, based on their organisational objectives.
A bunch of people will go "but why didn't they listen to us? This is a tragic day for our community and justice".
A bunch of other people will praise the organisation's "brave" and "fair" decision that was made "rationally, on the available facts".
As to which group is which, things will probably keep going the way they're going for the next few years, but the conservative backlash will be ugly.
Well I agree McFlock, I think the backlash will be ugly.
I don't see why some poor parent should be dragged through the court system or threatened with it, facing 5 years in jail, just because they tell their 12 year old kid they can't go on puberty blockers.
Or, to rephrase the information in your linked article in comment 1, even if the police and the attorney general seperately come to the conclusion that there is sufficent evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the parents' medical choices for their child are demonstrably causing harm with the intention of trying to change the child's sexual orientation or gender identity, you don't believe that such an instance should be put to the court.
A conversion practice had to be directed towards someone because of their sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression, and performed with the intention of changing or suppressing their sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression.
Then harm had to be shown for a child, or serious harm for an adult.
If police decided there was a case, the Attorney-General would then need to sign it off before charges could be laid.
But I think it should be ruled out pronto! It will damage the party hugely and if they don't rule it out, they will be dead meat when the first test case comes to light.
By the way a father went to jail for six months in Canada for refusing to accept hibs daughters gender identity and objected to the treatment proposed. I think from memory she was 14 years old. Will find the link if you like.
Reply to McFlock…….Of course it shouldn't go to court…….It should be dealt with as all other such issues, through Orangi Tamariki. Whatever their faults, that is their job. That is the sort of thing they deal with.
The legislation will intimidate parents for making what they consider is the best decision for their child.
I wasn't going to comment on Laurel Hubbard today, but I am wondering if anyone can tell me, if there is no difference or very little between female and males in sport, how come Laurel, didn't get very far when she competed as a man?
Well Ad not everyone agrees with Laureen Hubbard competing in the women's section. I have posted it many times, but biological males have a significant advantage over biological women in sports. Tracey also posted a separate link on Women's Day.
Ad your comments are another example of a man being happy to celebrate handing over a women's category, space to a biological male. Thanks but no thanks.
If you followed the issue in the US there are multiple examples of transwomen, biological males winning against females, taking their awards. Nothing to celebrate there.
transwomen more than welcome to compete in what should be the open category.
Thanks Joanne. I don't disagree that TS isn't very conducive to trans people talking openly about trans politics. But then I'm a feminist who rarely feels it's worth it or safe to write feminist posts on TS. Few people seem bothered enough to do anything about that either.
"O course it does if it agrees with y ur view of the world and how it works."
The irony there is that if No Debate hadn't happened, we'd have worked through most of the issues by now. The great thing about TS is that if someone puts up a piece of R/S, others can pull it apart. On *any side of a debate. The shit thing about TS, is that it takes time to do this, and the most marginalised people often don't have the time or safety or inclination to use up their energy that way. But at least there is an opportunity here to make progress.
I also believe that there is transphobia on the left and within GC/GCF movements, both antipathy towards trans women and the subconscious or casual transphobia that exists in the same way that sexism or racism does on the left. Again No Debate is a massive problem here that is actively hindering resolving this.
One thing that would help if is people saying there is transphobia in a comment or post they also quoted the specific bit and explained *how it is transphobic.
I think calling trans women 'men in dresses' is demeaning, and usually speaks to the person being transphobic. It's also an own goal for GCFs because part of the point of breaking down gender role norms is to free people from oppression so that we can wear whatever we want. I key word searched the Women's Day comments and there aren't any comments of that kind there, there are some under the Kathleen Stock post, but to me they're mostly not aimed at TW but at cross dressing men. People are on a learning curve about what trans is, and the definition of trans is so broad now that it's going to take time in society to work through what is fair and just.
I'm sure it looks different to you. All I can offer here is that if people want to address any of these issues, I'll do my best to moderate so that it doesn't get out of hand and so that all sides get a fair hearing.
Thanks Weka, I've been reading TS for over 24 years though I've only commented a handful of times, however I have never felt that I had to speak up on behalf of Trans folk until this GC/GCF business came up. At university in my 40's I was always welcome in the women only spaces and I found hearing how unwelcome I actually was to be quite dispiriting. If anyone is interested in discussing any issue related to trans ness I am happy to share my understandings in relation to my lived experience, but it is only my experience. Other people will will have different experiences than I do so I personally prefer that mine don't get somehow assigned to all trans women.
I think there would be many here who would welcome hearing your views based on lived experience. Myself, I think such stories are crucial to building understanding across difference.
Ok Joanne, I am glad you have posted your point of view
I have to say I don't think I am demonising other's research when I say NICE trumps other research. As I said NICE is an Institute that is thoroughly objective and impatial. They don't really care what the evidence shows them, they just care about being scuperlous about evidence. I think it is fair to say that a lot of the research that has been done is by people who hold a particular position.
I think Stephanie was criticized by one or two commentators on the Women's Day post, but I don't recall her previously commenting on the Standard, although I understand she did.
If isn't that pleasant when people make it personal. Someone on today's Open Mike said about me, words to the effect that "you make yourself look like a deranged obsessive". That was pretty unkind, but I guess he is entitled to that view. I would prefer it if he had of debated the issue. So sometimes people get personal on the Standard. Its unfortunate. I try not to myself, but it would be untrue to say I never have.
I am with you Anker on this one. I know very little on this legislation. However as the father of a 10 year old daughter I heard all I need to hear from the Minister on HDA to confirm this legislation absolutely needs to be opposed.
Take care and if you have energy for it, write to your MP or visit them. Gather up any friends who are also alarmed and take action if you are in the position to do so.
I'm with you and Anker. And after Faafoi's similarly awful performance on the hate speech laws, I'm beginning to wonder if the problem may be both the message and the messenger.
Yip the worlds getting stupider by the day, my kid told me the other day that thier school tried gender fluid toilets at a primary school for fucks sake!!
No surprises they got rid of it because boys took the piss , literally by the sound of it .
Act and national grow in % every poll fucking snap out of it you fools.
Well yes we doing seem to proposing to criminalize more things so investing in prisons seems a safe bet… and I read today the comancheros have their own wing in Mt Eden remand prison… wtf
Yes National want to lock up the gangas, Labour want to lock up parents who refuse their kids puberty blockers, or therapists who attempt to explore issues with clients (which is what therapists do) get mis-interpreted as conversion therapy. Or worse still a vexacious clients lies about what was actually said.
Therapists are regulated by Professionals Bodies. They should be left to do their job of evaluating complaints about therapists. There is also the Health and Disability Commisioner. I have only heard of one therapist in this country practicing conversion therapy. FFS what overkill.
If I was a therapist I would be looking not to working with any clients who I felt under threat of a prison sentence. Lets face it there is a desparate shortage of therapists. Why would you want to endanger yourself?
Interesting comment. A few months back I was nattering away one night with the guy who heads up our site security/service group. Turns out like most mature people he's started out in a quite different field (that I won't detail for privacy reasons) – but it was very much dealing with people's personal issues and counselling.
I asked why he gave it away as it was clear he had invested decades of his life into it and I'd judge he was very good at it. His answer was partly the predictable burnout that most of these people experience – and exactly what you describe, the increasing risk of vexacious clients. He went on to say that in many ways he missed the work – the burnout you could recover from – but the professional hazard had only become worse with time.
Yes National want to lock up the gangas, Labour want to lock up parents who refuse their kids puberty blockers, or therapists who attempt to explore issues with clients (which is what therapists do) get mis-interpreted as conversion therapy. Or worse still a vexacious clients lies about what was actually said.
Therapists are regulated by Professionals Bodies. They should be left to do their job of evaluating complaints about therapists. There is also the Health and Disability Commisioner. I have only heard of one therapist in this country practicing conversion therapy. FFS what overkill.
If I was a therapist I would be looking not to working with any clients who I felt under threat of a prison sentence. Lets face it there is a desparate shortage of therapists. Why would you want to endanger yourself?
Nah, no real need. It's a fairly short-term issue. At most it will just be two or three years before pretty much everyone has either been vaccinated, or got the disease and died or survived the disease with whatever long term problems they get from the experience.
Although maybe if the Nats were in power, they'd go for it. Like you say, it's a great potential business opportunity.
Who cares what National would do when it is Labour running the show.
And i personally don't believe that this virus is going anywhere soon. And anyone who does, must really ask themselves why they think it will.
I totally expect prisons for the 'uneductated' and the ‘unwilling’ and ‘unvaccinated’ and ‘unco-operative’ and i would not put it past Labour to fill those prisons. After all, the economy must be going strong.
But then, some truly believe that Labour is not the other side of the same coin. 🙂
What the Nats might do becomes a relevant question in 2023. Particularly if public opinion swings against Labour's handling of pandemic.
Either by being perceived to be unreasonably restrictive (ignore the rantings of the Husks and his ilk, they're not the swing voters), or by being perceived to have opened up too early by being insufficiently mindful of new information (like I happen to think they were by opening up to Oz when Delta was starting to happen and neither Oz nor we had any kind of wide vaccine coverage).
I think public opinion will swing against parents facing five years in jail for telling their kids they can't use puberty blockers. Wait for the back lash.
I don't see any good options as to who governs NZ, but one thing is for sure. I have lost all respect for Labour.
Y'know, you've probably made your views clear on other threads today. Derailing this thread to your hobbyhorse as well just makes you look like an unhinged single-issue obsessive.
Y'know Andre, it is Open Mike, so my understanding is that any topic here is o.k. And you know I was the first to comment today, so I have know idea about what you mean about de-railing this thread.
"makes you look like an unhinged single-issue obsessive"……thank you for your very gracious response to me. (sarc)……….I most often find on this issue, when people have no decent arguements, that start trying to label me i.e. they play the woman not the ball.
I am not aware of any rules on the Standard that say you must post or comment on more than one issue. I am sure the moderators would have pulled me up if this was the case.
Y'know I have been pondering this some more Andre. Have you just gaslighted me? You know that thing people do where they try to make out to others that a person is crazy ("unhinged" or "obsessive") to try and disempower and discredit them.
What do you think???????
Whatever, please don't imply anything about my mental health again please.
And btw, a number of people on this thread and this site support what I am saying.
Parents can be imprisoned for many acts against their children here. In the USA children can divorce their parents, and there have been cases where children know their gender long before 12 years of age.
Being a parent does not make one infallible, just emotionally invested. The important person in this equation is the child. Rigid thinking won't help, and outside experts as in psychology, may assist with what may be a family trauma.
This government has gone with the science in their practice, and will continue to do so.
Last time it was vaccinating girls against human pap virus which some thought parents would refuse believing it would encourage loose behaviour. Now vaccination is clearly accepted.
Ministers have advisers, and do sometimes get ahead of public opinion. It is a balance of rights in a situation where the child is powerless, a hard one.
Discrepancies in the evaluation of the safety of the human papillomavirus vaccine
Despite being more than ten years since its introduction, global acceptance to the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine is still low. The immunogenetic background of the host, and HPV antigen recognition, are important in natural HPV infection, and should be taken into account in the understanding of adverse autoimmune reactions by the HPV vaccine in certain groups. There is no doubt of the benefit of vaccines in the reduction of the incidence of infectious diseases, and in the case of HPV, the prevention of persistent infection that would lead to cervical cancer. Side-effects, however, should be closely monitored and reported without any bias, to ensure that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks of adverse reactions. In this article we bring the attention on certain adverse effects of the vaccine against HPV that have not been well studied as they are not well defined. We also compare the different approaches on HPV vaccine policies regarding its adverse reactions in countries like Japan and Colombia, vs. the recommendations issued by the WHO.
It is way too easy to write off those with concerns about a vaccine to prevent cervical cancer as being religious fundamentalists. Too easy, and lazy, and in too many instances harmful to too many young women.
That small and seemingly insignificant percentage of vaccine recipients who suffer severe and long term adverse reactions are routinely dismissed and ignored.
This refusal to acknowledge that some vaccines do harm some people does more to fuel vaccine hesitancy than any anti -vax promoter.
That small and seemingly insignificant percentage of vaccine recipients who suffer severe and long term adverse reactions are routinely dismissed and ignored.
And the consequence of this is an undermining of trust. One of the defining characteristics of the entire public health apparatus during this pandemic has been it's treating of the public as children – who can be routinely underinformed or misdirected 'for their own good'. You might get away with this a few times, but eventually enough people see what's going on.
And face it – vaccines (indeed almost all medical interventions for that matter) depend on trust. None of us, not even medical professionals themselves, can be across the details of everything. So when we see public health systems behaving in ways that seem untrustworthy, or corrupt even, it becomes normal and natural to doubt, question and seek better answers.
To be fair it's my view that public health systems were handicapped from the start in that they believed that SARS-COVID-2 was just another zoonotic virus that could be safely handled with their existing toolkit. I think it's turned out this was only partly true and globally the response has been deeply politicised and fumbled from the start. And in particular the window of opportunity to drive this virus to extinction last year has passed – I was optimistic then, I'm not now.
Instead we've allowed this virus to do what it was created to do, adapt to evolutionary selection pressure and the result is at this point in time – Delta. And slowly public health authorities are waking up to how this has changed the game. To add to the challenge there are so many complex parts to this pandemic, so many contradictory aspects that I doubt anyone really understands what is going on and what's likely to happen next.
We're truly in uncharted waters now and it would be better if we cut down the volume of the bickering and paid more attention to what was happening.
And sometimes fire do indeed break out. It's a question of intent.
Last year I was getting shouted down when I suggested that we needed to be more careful about the potential for variants to arise. It was almost as if people wanted to believe that the principles of evolutionary biology didn't apply to this virus. Yet here we are with Delta and it won't be the last.
Just to be clear I believe that on the preponderance of circumstantial evidence (> 95% probability) that SARS-COVID-2 is a lab escape from GoF research conducted in Wuhan. Equally there remains a small but non-zero chance it has a true zoonotic origin. There is no proof for either hypothesis at present – and labelling either as 'misinformation' isn't justified.
And that we can also recognise that a lot of people have strong professional and political motives to ensure that no conclusive evidence for the lab leak hypothesis ever sees the light of day.
The bottom line. Explains the furious back-peddling from it's a hoax, vaccination is a plot panders to an audience of believers and drags in the advertisers, to listen up, it's real and vaccines work because the lawyers see legal consequences on the horizon.
This refusal to acknowledge that some vaccines do harm some people does more to fuel vaccine hesitancy than any anti -vax promoter.
Funny thing is I've never read or heard of a reputable vaccinologist (you know, someone who is a vaccine expert) who has refused to acknowledge, or "routinely dismissed and ignored" evidence that vaccines have adverse (side-)effects. And yet, if I'm interpreting your comment correctly, these 'dismissive vaccinologists' are thick on the ground.
There is no doubt of the benefit of vaccines in the reduction of the incidence of infectious diseases, and in the case of HPV, the prevention of persistent infection that would lead to cervical cancer.
Imho the vast majority of vaccinologists believe that, on balance, vaccines are a net benefit to human health. The Covid-19 vaccines, in particular the more effective ones, are also of net benefit to human health – one only has to look at how lethality of Covid-19 infections has declined dramatically in countries with moderate-to-high vaccine coverage. It really is that obvious, and that simple. Of course improved medical treatment(s), and less pressure on health systems, helps.
And, since you're dishing out the "too easy, and lazy" pejoratives, and insinuating that the global medical establishment is ignoring, dismissing and refusing to acknowledge the side-effects of COVID-19 vaccines, I've got another pejorative for you: 'alarmist'.
A review of the HPV vaccine safety by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found no difference in side effects between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals (Gee et al. 2016). In fact the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event reporting System (VAERS) states that the HPV vaccine is very safe, and has not found any unexpected patterns in maternal or fetal outcomes (Moro et al. 2015).
These conclusions, however, are based on records that should be interpreted with care, especially when assessing cases with non-specific diagnosis, for which there is not a clear consensus on the diagnostic criteria (Goldenberg 2009) (Fig. 1).
Despite these pronouncements on the safety of HPV vaccine, regions in Colombia have reported a disproportionate number of neuropathic pain cases (with respect to the expected reactions declared by the pharmaceutical company producing Gardasil) (Sánchez-Gómez and Hernández-Flórez 2014).
It is important to note that the occurrence of demyelinating disease after vaccination, despite being low, is not negligible. This type of complication has been reported for multiple vaccines such as influenza, HPV, hepatitis A or B, rabies, measles, rubella, yellow fever, anthrax, meningococcus, and tetanus.
And so on until the end of the paper.
Perhaps we can agree that the vaccinologists of global note, or at least the greatest reach, are found at the CDC? The same CDC that effectively dismissed any link between the HPV vaccine and reported side effects.
As for 'perjoratives'…unintended, I assure you. PB wrote '…loose behaviour.' which triggered the recollection from way back when Gardasil was first rolled out. There was some that were concerned that this vaccine would give license to promiscuity, and some of that was from religious communities. It didn't help that it was in predominantly Catholic Latin America that there were (for reasons the linked to paper suggests requires investigation) a significant number of adverse effects. Add to that reports of a cluster of vaccine damaged girls from Ireland (which were considered 'worth it' in terms of the protection afforded the rest of the vaccine recipients) and the stage was well set for the narrative to emerge that HPV vaccine opposition emanated from the religious conservatives.
Very unfortunate, because it allowed the real reason for Gardasil hesitancy….the large numbers of girls significantly affected…to be sidelined.
And sidelined they were…as the paper I linked to suggests.
I appreciate that you want to help Rosemary. It boils down to who and what you trust. I trust expert scientific consensuses. They're not always right (who/what is), but (in my experience) they're right more often than not (including on vaccines), and these consensuses can evolve..
I believe it's more than just dumb luck that my trust in expert (evidence-based) consensuses has often been rewarded, and the placebo effect probably doesn't hurt either.
Perhaps we can agree that the vaccinologists of global note, or at least the greatest reach, are found at the CDC?
We can agree that reputable vaccinologists work at the CDC, and that they contribute to various national and international consensuses on the efficacy and safety of vaccines.
It is way too easy to write off those with concerns about a vaccine to prevent cervical cancer as being religious fundamentalists. Too easy, and lazy, and in too many instances harmful to too many young women.
It's also seems way too easy to write-off vaccinologists as 'lazy'; maybe they, like you, also want to minimise (needless) harm and death in their communities, albeit in their own lazy ways.
Ireland has one of the highest cervical-cancer rates in western Europe, with 90 deaths a year, but uptake of the [HPV] vaccine has plummeted following opposition from a number of groups.
Cervical cancer statistics
Cervical cancer is the fourth most commonly occurring cancer in women and the eighth most commonly occurring cancer overall. There were over 500,000 new cases in 2018. The top 20 countries with the highest rates of cervical cancer in 2018 are given in the table below.
Estimates of incidence and mortality of cervical cancer in 2018: a worldwide analysis Cervical cancer continues to be a major public health problem affecting middle-aged women, particularly in less-resourced countries. The global scale-up of HPV vaccination and HPV-based screening—including self-sampling—has potential to make cervical cancer a rare disease in the decades to come. Our study could help shape and monitor the initiative to eliminate cervical cancer as a major public health problem.
A few lazy experts in NZ have somehow managed to assemble this well-referenced educational material on the HPV vaccine Gardasil 9.
Here's what they have to say about Gardasil's serious side-effects:
What about serious side effects? One to three people in every million (1-3 in 1,000,000) who are vaccinated with Gardasil 9 have a serious allergic reaction. This is why you are asked to wait after vaccination. The person giving you the vaccine is trained to deal with allergic reactions.
One in every one hundred thousand people (1 in 100,000) who are vaccinated with Gardasil or Gardasil 9 each year develop symptoms of nerve damage such as numbness, weakness and difficulty walking (known as Guillain-Barré Syndrome and acute disseminated encephalomyelitis.)
Guillain-Barré Syndrome and ADE also occur in 1 in every 100,000 people who haven’t been vaccinated. These disorders are usually caused by infections such as influenza which cause the persons own immune system to attack their nerves.
There has been some concern that HPV vaccines can cause Postural Hypotension Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS), Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS) and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). Medsafe has reviewed the data on these concerns and found that there was no evidence that HPV vaccination caused these issues.
During the clinical studies there were 7 deaths (out of 15,875 people).
One woman committed suicide.
One woman died in a car accident.
One woman died unexpectedly nearly two years after completing vaccination.
One woman with previous ovarian cancer died.
Three women with leukaemia died, one had been diagnosed before being vaccinated and one was diagnosed nearly 4 years after completing vaccination.
These deaths were thoroughly investigated, none of them were caused by the HPV vaccine. They represent the unfortunate circumstances that sometimes occur in teenagers and young adults.
Only 7 deaths (out of 15,875 people)? Surely there must have been more – I smell a rat.
Totally agree Anker. Puberty always has been a period of emotional turbulence and vulnerability. We recognise this with among other things an age of consent, and strong social censuring of age inappropriate relationships where exploitation of immaturity is highly likely.
Exploiting this natural period of sexual volatility – that almost always resolves itself with time – to impose irreversible biological change with powerful puberty blocking drugs is in my view profoundly wicked. Objectively I'd consider this practise potentially more damaging than outright sex abuse.
Traditionally we expected parents to provide a framework of protection in this period – an often difficult and usually thankless task. With the slow undermining of the family as a basic social unit, and the virtual demolition of the role of fatherhood in particular, little of this applies any more. Any parent attempting to constrain the poor choices of their children can expect no support, and now the prospect of a criminal prosecution.
The logical destination of this trend is of course straight out of the dystopian novels – the dismantling of the nuclear family (a dream of the marxists right from the outset) and it's replacement with the apparatus of the state. If this seems a straw man – then consider that the discussion we are currently having on other threads around 'self identifying gender' would have been considered utter lunacy just a decade ago.
I would totally agree if I thought that this is what the legislation was intended to do, or would even rarely do as an unintended consequence. I'm not convinced on either of those points – because it is such a preposterous and unimaginable outcome. We've all seen plenty of alarmist over-reaction to legislation of this sort – from the homosexual law reform bill of the 1980's to the S58 repeal in the 2000's.
Fair enough – the conversation does tend to stray from the relatively narrow topic of the legislation. But on the other hand puberty blockers are a real thing … and again a mere decade ago would have been considered crazy talk.
Although we have an opportunity to learn from these 'unintended consequences' from overseas, we seem to be sleepwalking into passing similar laws without changes.
The post Sabine put up last night is worth a watch if you have the time, to see how badly wriiten laws and lacklustre safeguards can result in institutional harm.
I think the comparison to the Homosexual Reform Bill is a lazy.false equivalence. There are concrete concerns about how the proposals are currently written which does mean they are bigoted or ill-advised.
AB have you listened to what Kris Faafoi said on the link I posted at the top of Open Mike? That seems to be exactly what he is saying. It might not mean five years in jail but it could.
Exactly. This is not some theoretical scaremongering. It is the responsible Minister saying without equivocation it is exactly what could happen … 5 years jail for a parent who intervenes when their child wants to self medicate. He thought this was a perfectly acceptable outcome.
I did – but I'm not convinced Faafoi actually knows or can say either way with any certainty. We have courts. Agreed that puberty blockers are a minefield and it would not surprise me if pharma companies turn out to be inventing medical conditions that just conveniently happen to be ' treatable' by drugs they have sitting on the shelf.
Yes, maybe we can start the internment camps on Rangitoto for all smokers and the slightly overweight next year too… Wouldn't that be lovely [sarc].. 🙄
But I think it should be ruled out pronto! It will damage the party hugely and if they don't rule it out, they will be dead meat when the first test case comes to light.
By the way a father went to jail for six months in Canada for refusing to accept hibs daughters gender identity and objected to the treatment proposed. I think from memory she was 14 years old. Will find the link if you like.
Vaccination by itself is not a full control,physical health interventions still need to be both maintained and increased (say enhanced international travel restrictions eg Sydney).
For sure there won't be a return to anything resembling pre-2020 normal.
But once everyone here that wants vaccination has received it, I for one won't have any appetite for level 3 or level 4 lockdowns to try to regain elimination status. Nor will I have any patience for requiring 2 weeks of managed isolation for all international arrivals including vaccinated citizens and permanent residents.
In general, I've been on the cautious side when it comes to restrictions. I thought opening a travel bubble with Australia was ill-advised and premature. I thought some of the lockdowns were lifted earlier than was wise.
Now consider, if someone as cautious as me won't support ongoing stringent efforts to maintain elimination after the widespread vaccination programme is complete, where will the balance of opinion lie across the rest of New Zealand?
The world had a window of 'elimination' strategy, last year and if the world would have gone into 'lockdown' as a collective it might have worked.
By now, there is no more 'elimination' strategy. There is a mitigating, keeping at bay, hoping to vaccinate many strategy as most if not all the issues that we went into lockdown are still the same.
No bed capacity in hospitals. Not enough ICU beds, if a huge outbreak were to occur i doubt we would have enough ventilators (yeah, we got a 100), not enough Staff -be that nurses, orderlies, cleaners, nurse aids, cooks etc to actually properly staff any of our hospitals in NZ – and the current RSV outbreak showed a light to that failure.
so the very best anyone can hope for atm, is that if you get the delta variant or any other after that that one may survive or better even, does not need to be hospitalised.
And that is what Israel is betting on. They don't care about the infections per se, but the death rate. If only a few die, they have 'won'. Here have a booster shot.
Perhaps Israel is paying a price for trumpeting its fabulous vaccination rate.
Bitten on the bum because Delta has come from the Palestinians that they refused to provide vaccine for, contrary to their international obligation as an occupying power?
It's still the unvaccinated in Israel that are most of the cases. It's only a very few vaccinated but still vulnerable Israelis that are paying a price for the anti-social arsehole anti-vaxers among them.
Despite their lower vaccination rates, Palestinian territories appear to be doing okay. Vaccine hesitancy among Israeli fundamentalists is the problem.
The unvaccinated might be safer in jail from the superspreader vaccinated. Serious enough to force the CDC to change its guidelines.
During the outbreak investigation, researchers learned that the amount of virus in the noses of vaccinated people experiencing a breakthrough infection was the same as in an unvaccinated person — a worrying sign vaccinated people can spread the virus.
"This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation," said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky in a statement.
"This is a very concerning outbreak — pretty much a 'super spreader event,'" said Dr. Carlos Del Rio, executive associate dean and global health expert at the Emory School of Medicine.
again, anyone expecting this 'vaccine' to be a miracle cure also needs to ask themselves why they think that.
Yes, you can catch the flu after a flu shot, yes, you can transmit that flu. But if you have been vaccinated you might not die of it, or get ill enough to warrant staying home or in hosptial.
This is the same. AS for those that don't want the vaccination, don't. But for what its worth, i would make sure i have my last will in order. because not only can you catch it, transmit it, you have a very good chance dying of it. A much larger chance then those that have had the vaccine. So it appears.
What the latest from the CDC is saying is that those smug fully vaccinated free-ranging through the community are as much as, if not more of a risk to those who are not vaccinated. Not vaccinated for whatever reason. Including those who cannot be vaccinated, or should not be vaccinated.
The much anticipated badge of conformity that will be the Covid Vaccine Passport will be simply fluff and window dressing. 'Cos appearances.
my friends in the US that are fully vaccinated 'smugs' free ranging, they don't. They understand the science, and are still masked when indoors, still don't hang out at sturgis, or Lollapallooza etc , don't go unmasked into mega churches for a bit of a pandemic god fix, etc.
The ones that are 'freeranging' are the unvaccinated ones, those that are bathed in the blood of Jesus, or that believe in crystal healing or the microsoft chipperys.
But as i said, don't vaccinate, just keep yourself to yourself, and make sure you have your will in order in case you have a will. Just you know, to cross all your t's and dot your i's. So far the vaccine is not mandatory and you get to freerange unvaccinated to your hearts contend.
bear in mind that i really don't care if or not you vaccinate.
Truly. It is your decision, and as i have stated before in regards to being pro or con, one makes ones decision and ones then lives with it and all the resulting consequences.
If you are in fact now vaccinated against covid, it would raise a lot of questions about your motivations for posting all kinds of vaccine misinformation here with the apparent goal of pushing people towards misinformed refusal of vaccination.
Let's just look at your first contribution to this thread:
The unvaccinated might be safer in jail from the superspreader vaccinated.
That statement implies that vaccinated are more of a threat to the unvaccinated than other unvaccinated. Utter misrepresentation. Vaccinated people are a much lower threat simply because they are much less likely to be infected and infectious. From your CDC link:
Infections in fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. Moreover, when these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild. However, preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the Delta variant can be infectious and can spread the virus to others.
Following the link in that quote we find:
Two studies from the United Kingdom found significantly reduced likelihood of transmission to household contacts from people infected with SARS-CoV-2 who were previously vaccinated for COVID-19.
The piece linked below from Science Based Medicine is specific to covid, but the discussion about common anti-vax propaganda techniques covers several of your common misinformation techniques here on this site.
1 : a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease
Note that it does not have a range of efficacies which something needs to meet before it can be called a vaccine, merely that it is intended to stimulate an immune response. There has never been a vaccine that meets your misinformation incorrect definition, which appears to be an attempt to falsely discredit the Pfizer vaccine.
Even the smallpox vaccine, which successfully eradicated smallpox from this earth, only had about 95% effficacy. But this less than 100.000% efficacy was still enough for communities to achieve herd immunity and eventually end all chains of transmissions.
Yep, the vaccinated can still get it, and they can still spread it.
But the vaccinated are very strongly protected from severe illness, and they are almost completely protected from the virus killing them. So far, I have yet to see reports of long covid happening to the vaccinated.
It's a very striking contrast between the very high risk of death or long-term disability for the unvaccinated, versus the worst case scenario for most of the vaccinated being a minor short term inconvenient unpleasantness like a cold or mild flu.
We haven't made serious mistakes yet. Or maybe we did with allowing people back from Oz while Delta was ramping up, but we just got lucky (so far).
But the whole game changes once we achieve vaccination coverage of all those that want it. When that is achieved, there will be much more risk in being excessively restrictive to those that have done the right thing and get themselves vaccinated.
Emergence of new variants that are much more infectious to the vaccinated being the obvious known unknown in all of this, of course.
So far I have yet to see anything that even hints it might be happening out in the field.
The potential antibody dependent enhancement problem with Dengvaxia was known and warned about before it was rolled out in the Philippines. The problems found could have been prevented by antibody testing the recipients before administering the vaccine, but the cost of that would have been quite a burden for a poor country like the Philippines. If you want more detail, this is a good piece:
In the development of the covid vaccines, the possibility of antibody dependent enhancement was carefully considered. But it's fairly uncommon for diseases to behave that way, and there's been no evidence of it in other coronaviruses.
Leaked chat logs reveal how the former lead psychologist for Cambridge Analytica has been working behind the scenes with a notorious anti-vaccine group in the U.K.
The chat records, provided to the Daily Dot by the activist collective DDoSecrets, detail efforts by HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team), a self-described “group of highly qualified UK doctors, scientists, economists, psychologists and other academic experts,” to influence politicians on issues related to COVID-19.
Can we infer from your post, that our failure to deal with the measles outbreak and the subsequent outbreak in Samoa make our Director general of Health and govt baby killers?
More a case of we didn't act appropriately for reasons unknown, especially given measles is highly infectious and the consequences are well known. But the result as we know was multiple deaths.
I flew to the States during the outbreak the terminal had multiple notices warning of a measles outbreak in New Zealand and if you are unvaccinated and feeling unwell to report to the nearest official immediately.
There was nothing about in Auckland international which was a massive fail.
I'm still struggling to get my head around how a (presumably) trained nurse could do something so obviously disastrous as mixing (expired) muscle relaxant anaesthetic into the vaccine, rather than water.
I mean, sure the water was probably in a labelled bottle so might have been mistaken for a medication of some kind, needing to be sterile and all. If the water containers looked like medicine containers, that points to a systems failure with an obvious, easy, and cheap fix. Such as sterile water for dilutions is always in blue containers. But still …
The proprietor of my local beer shop sat down for lunch with Mrs and a guest and they all drank a caustic cleaning solution mistakenly served up as a cold drink. Mrs and the guest got a whiff and were hospitalised, badly burnt, but they survived. Poor old Bob had lost his sense of smell years ago and necked his. He never made it out of the back of the shop.
Apparently it had always been kept in the right place in an appropriate container, until the day it was transferred to a fizz bottle and ended up in the chiller…
"Did our Director general of Health and govt actively undermine public health policy?"
Personally, I think the whole throwing blame around is massively counter productive to personal health policy.
If we're talking about building good systems, NZ did fail in some of its obligation to protect Samoa from our own measles outbreaks. If the same situation were to arise now, would closing the borders seem more acceptable?
If the same situation were to arise now, would closing the borders seem more acceptable?
Protecting the health of Samoa's people is much more the responsibility of Samoa's government than ours.
If the same situation were to arise today, I would expect the Samoan government to be much more active about trying to lift their vaccination rate back up and closing their borders to travelers coming from countries experiencing an outbreak. But personally, if somewhere I wanted to visit was willing to accept me, but our government prevented that because of a small disease outbreak in s small somewhat closed community within New Zealand, I would be absolutely outraged.
Just like in our current situation we have severely restricted movements across our inbound border – to protect our people. Nobody anywhere else in the world is trying to stop people leaving to travel to NZ to protect NZ from an outbreak. At least not that I know of.
The general belief is that we, individually and collectively, learn from past experiences to better predict consequences (outcomes and impacts). Taiwan was arguable better prepared than most because of past pandemics. NZ may have learned from the measles experiences.
Public health policy is more than just a bunch of direct ‘technocratic’ measures; it also includes research as well as education through communication and giving clear, consistent, and carefully explained guidelines and instructions. However, it never operates in isolation, least of all when things become heavily politicised and polarised.
I was thinking how as the outbreak in Samoa was starting it wasn’t even a consideration to close borders. Covid changed that. I don’t know if lessons learned from Samoa and measles included border closure options.
there’s a lot to unpack in that, but I think our polarisation on vaccines doesn’t serve us particularly well.
Polarised debate is an oxymoron, not even a euphemism for a shouting contest across a bottomless and unbridgeable divide. Our politicians are our role models and as soon as they show a sign of deviating from the unwritten book of public opinion, they are hauled over hot coals and condemned to eternal damnation by pundits/voters. Those same voters who pride themselves standing up for the underdog, natural justice, and all that other virtue shit.
For what it's worth this very recent WaPo article based on new CDC document is absolutely worth a read:
“I think the central issue is that vaccinated people are probably involved to a substantial extent in the transmission of delta,” Jeffrey Shaman, a Columbia University epidemiologist, wrote in an email after reviewing the CDC slides. “In some sense, vaccination is now about personal protection — protecting oneself against severe disease. Herd immunity is not relevant as we are seeing plenty of evidence of repeat and breakthrough infections.”
The document underscores what scientists and experts have been saying for months: It is time to shift how people think about the pandemic.
Kathleen Neuzil, a vaccine expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, said getting more people vaccinated remains the priority, but the public may also have to change its relationship to a virus almost certain to be with humanity for the foreseeable future.
“We really need to shift toward a goal of preventing serious disease and disability and medical consequences, and not worry about every virus detected in somebody’s nose,” Neuzil said. “It’s hard to do, but I think we have to become comfortable with coronavirus not going away.”
This article is something of a breakthrough in the msm – in that it starts to acknowledge what we've really been up against all along.
AB have you listened to what Kris Faafoi said on the link I posted at the top of Open Mike? That seems to be exactly what he is saying. It might not mean five years in jail but it could.
I'll bet Faafoi refuse to do another interview on the subject. He's apparently to 'busy' to be interviewed on the hate speech legislation and thats one of the most contentious and complicated peices of legislation in recent times.
It does seem unfortunate, though not yet necessarily on the scale of the antismacking debacle. Much depends on whether the rule change is instantiated among people, rather than remaining an object of abstract political contention – which can be quite damaging enough.
The position of the courts in the Tavistock case seems to be that under sixteens are not likely to be able to give informed consent in respect of a treatment as contentious as puberty blocking. They at least are in no hurry to rush in where angels fear to tread. Not so whoever is boosting this policy evidently.
Would those in our parliment care as much about vaccine passports? I'm not sure I can see anything other than the fresher MPs going with the flow, mores the pity.
The city is also working with developers to provide affordable homes. A survey found Auckland contained 40,000 “ghost houses”, properties empty for much of the year.
Labour's Housing spokesman Phil Twyford says there could be thousands of houses in Auckland being left empty.
"That's a shame because there are so many people in Auckland desperate to get a roof over their heads," he says.
Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith doesn't think the number of ghost houses is rising, and there is no way of knowing how many of Auckland's 22,000 unoccupied properties are being deliberately left empty
I think one can conclude that this issue is now bi-partisan.
But then women having an issue that they are worried about and talk about is not a big deal, and really can't they just not understand what the real issues are right? Because we can only ever be concerned about one thing at a time.
A lot of current commentary at the Standard is centred around gender issues.
Perhaps that's because no-one cares about the rest. People are selfish. They do tend to promote their own concerns. People in warm, dry homes can afford to have other concerns.
My concern is housing. I think it's the most important issue out there.
yes, it is currently in the news thus people discuss it.
As for the homeless and unhouses, and those 23000+ on waiting lists surely the government is gonna do something once its got the hate bill done. Surely. Any effn day now. Cause they said so. Right? Anb besides who does not like a bill that risks criminalising parents for maybe refusing to jack their kids up with puperty blockers and undergo permantent surgery in the form of double masectomies at a young age. I mean they did campaign on that? Right?
Yeah, nah, they campaigned on fixing the housing market and keepin NZ safe. Right? Lol.
Setting people up to be criminalized for not letting a child be on puperty blockers willy nilly, setting 'women' and 'lesbians' up for a criminal charge if they refuse to allow transwomen in to their own spaces or to see them as women (aka Gendercrime) is not 'reform', its bullshit, and it is wrong.
And again, I am so very happy to not have voted for this lot, and i will be even happier next time when i will again not vote for them.
Every day again, these people remind me that it was the correct thing to do.
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TL;DR: The podcast above features co-hosts and , along with regular guests Robert Patman on Gaza and AUKUS II, and on climate change.The six things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote and spoke about via The Kākā and elsewhere for paying subscribers in the ...
Policymakers rarely wish to make plain or visible their desire to dismantle environmental policy, least of all to the young. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: Here’s the top five news items of note in climate news for Aotearoa-NZ this week, and a discussion above between Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent ...
I like to keep an eye on what’s happening in places like the UK, the US, and over the ditch with our good mates the Aussies. Let’s call them AUKUS, for want of a better collective term. More on that in a bit.It used to be, not long ago, that ...
TL;DR: The global economy will be one fifth smaller than it would have otherwise been in 2050 as a result of climate damage, according to a new study by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and published in the journal Nature. (See more detail and analysis below, and ...
New Zealand is said to be suffering from ‘serious populist discontent’. An IPSOS MORI survey has reported that we have an increasing preference for strong leaders, think that the economy is rigged toward the rich and powerful, and political elites are ignoring ‘hard-working people’. The data is from February this ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters is understood to be planning a major speech within the next fortnight to clear up the confusion over whether or not New Zealand might join the AUKUS submarine project. So far, there have been conflicting signals from the Government. RNZ reported the Prime Minister yesterday in ...
Life throws curveballs, and sometimes, those curveballs necessitate wiping your iPhone clean and starting anew. Whether you’re facing persistent software glitches, preparing to sell your device, or simply wanting a fresh start, knowing how to factory reset iPhone without a computer is a valuable skill. While using a computer with ...
Gone are the days when communication was limited to landline phones and physical proximity. Today, computers have become powerful tools for connecting with people across the globe through voice and video calls. But with a plethora of applications and methods available, how to call someone on a computer might seem ...
Open access notables Glacial isostatic adjustment reduces past and future Arctic subsea permafrost, Creel et al., Nature Communications:Sea-level rise submerges terrestrial permafrost in the Arctic, turning it into subsea permafrost. Subsea permafrost underlies ~ 1.8 million km2 of Arctic continental shelf, with thicknesses in places exceeding 700 m. Sea-level variations over glacial-interglacial cycles control ...
The operating system (OS) is the heart and soul of a computer, orchestrating every action and interaction between hardware and software. But have you ever wondered where on a computer is the operating system generally stored? The answer lies in the intricate dance between hardware and software components, particularly within ...
Laptops have become essential tools for work, entertainment, and communication, offering portability and functionality. However, with rising energy costs and growing environmental concerns, understanding a laptop’s power consumption is more important than ever. So, how many watts does a laptop use? The answer, unfortunately, isn’t straightforward. It depends on several ...
Screen recording has become an essential tool for various purposes, such as creating tutorials, capturing gameplay footage, recording online meetings, or sharing information with others. Fortunately, Dell laptops offer several built-in and external options for screen recording, catering to different needs and preferences. This guide will explore various methods on ...
A cracked or damaged laptop screen can be a frustrating experience, impacting productivity and enjoyment. Fortunately, laptop screen repair is a common service offered by various repair shops and technicians. However, the cost of fixing a laptop screen can vary significantly depending on several factors. This article delves into the ...
Gaming laptops represent a significant investment for passionate gamers, offering portability and powerful performance for immersive gaming experiences. However, a common concern among potential buyers is their lifespan. Unlike desktop PCs, which allow for easier component upgrades, gaming laptops have inherent limitations due to their compact and integrated design. This ...
The annual inventory report of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions has been released, showing that gross emissions have dropped for the third year in a row, to 78.4 million tons: All-told gross emissions have decreased by over 6 million tons since the Zero Carbon Act was passed in 2019. ...
Experiencing a locked computer can be frustrating, especially when you need access to your files and applications urgently. The methods to unlock your computer will vary depending on the specific situation and the type of lock you encounter. This guide will explore various scenarios and provide step-by-step instructions on how ...
While the world has largely transitioned to digital communication, faxing still holds relevance in certain industries and situations. Fortunately, gone are the days of bulky fax machines and dedicated phone lines. Today, you can easily send and receive faxes directly from your computer, offering a convenient and efficient way to ...
In our increasingly digital world, home computers have become essential tools for work, communication, entertainment, and more. However, this increased reliance on technology also exposes us to various cyber threats. Understanding these threats and taking proactive steps to protect your home computer is crucial for safeguarding your personal information, finances, ...
In the ever-evolving world of technology, server-based computing has emerged as a cornerstone of modern digital infrastructure. This article delves into the concept of server-based computing, exploring its various forms, benefits, challenges, and its impact on the way we work and interact with technology. Understanding Server-Based Computing: At its core, ...
The absolute brass neck of this guy.We want more medical doctors, not more spin doctors, Luxon was saying a couple of weeks ago, and now we’re told the guy has seven salaried adults on TikTok duty. Sorry, doing social media. The absolute brass neck of it. The irony that the ...
Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
Chris Trotter writes – The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey and his Government colleagues have made a meal of their mental health commitments, showing how flimsy their efforts to champion the issue truly are, says Labour Mental Health spokesperson Ingrid Leary. ...
Māori are yet to see anything from this Government except cuts, reversals and taking our people backwards, Māori Development spokesperson Willie Jackson said. ...
The Coalition Government’s refusal to commit to ongoing funding for social housing is seeing the sector pull back on developments and families watch their dreams of securing a home fade away, says Labour Housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner. The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel. “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says. "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board. “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti. “I have asked her to ...
The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States. “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
April 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...
By Koroi Hawkins, RNZ Pacific editor in Honiara Solomon Islands’ incumbent prime minister Manasseh Sogavare has been re-elected in the East Choiseul constituency. It is the opening move in the political chess match to form the country’s next government. Returning officer Christopher Makoni made the declaration late last night after ...
Headline: The moment of friction. – 36th Parallel Assessments In strategic studies “friction” is a term that it is used to describe the moment when military action encounters adversary resistance. “Friction” is one of four (along with an unofficial fifth) “F’s” in military strategy, which includes force (kinetic mass), ...
The Fast-track Bill, if passed, would allow three Ministers, unchallenged and unchecked, to approve the immediate extraction and exhaustion of one-off resources. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Duckett, Honorary Enterprise Professor, School of Population and Global Health, and Department of General Practice and Primary Care, The University of Melbourne iamharin/Shutterstock For many people, the term “bulk billed” refers to a GP visit they don’t have to pay ...
Emmas Hislop, Sidnam and Wehipeihana discuss what’s in a name. Emma Sidnam: Hello Emmas! Thank you so much for agreeing to do this with me. My first question for you is related to what’s been on my mind for a while. It’s very important. You see we’ve recently had some ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Sievers, Research Fellow, Global Wetlands Project, Australia Rivers Institute, Griffith University Chris Brown Humans love the coast. But we love it to death, so much so we’ve destroyed valuable coastal habitat – in the case of some types of habitat, ...
Josh Thomson on the 80s milk ad jingle he can’t stop singing, the beauty of The Simpsons, why Jersey Shore is as good as Shakespeare and more. For someone who spends a lot of time on our screens, popping up in everything from 7 Days to Taskmaster, Educators to Good ...
In apparent defiance of the Biden administration, the Netanyahu government has now initiated missile strikes against Iran. Last Saturday night (Sunday morning in New Zealand) Iran launched more than 300 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles against Israeli military targets. With the assistance of US, UK and possibly French forces, ...
Māori representation brings a perspective that encompasses not only the interests of Māori communities but also a broader, holistic approach to environmental stewardship and community well-being, principles deeply embedded in Te Ao Māori (the Māori ...
This week in Auckland, a group of young people took over the microphone at a ministerial press conference, to explain why they oppose the Fast-Track Approvals Bill. One young woman said, ‘We’re here because we love Aotearoa New Zealand. We want to raise our children in an environment that’s thriving, ...
The summer was wonderful. Evie was wonderful, too; finally a teenager, finally worthy of long, hot days. She shaved her legs for the first time and bought cut-off shorts from the op-shop that made them look long. She got a Warehouse singlet so tight on her new shape that her ...
When Thomas James was on his solo camp as part of Outward Bound, the keen outdoorsman didn’t find it too challenging, as others often do. In what might just be the perfect illustration of his character, he saw it as a great opportunity to solve a few problems. “I thought, ...
From the unstable and drippy to the hi-tech and pretty, here’s our ranking of all the tunnels you can drive through in this country. The first tunnel seems to have been built in 2200BC in Babylonia, kicking off a global phenomenon for digging holes in order to get places more ...
Lucinda Bennett on the art of being greedy but resourceful. This is an excerpt from our weekly food newsletter, The Boil Up. When I picture the market, it is always this time of year. Crisp air, dripping nose, counting coins with cold fingers. Sunlight pale, filtered through specks of dew still ...
Zoë Colling’s favourite piece in the ‘That’s So Last Century’ collection is a lubrication chart for a sewing machine from the ’60s. It’s about the size of a postcard, and carefully maintained. “I like it that this piece of ephemera highlights that manual and technical side of the skill involved ...
Kia Ora Gaza A passionate haka reverberated through Auckland International Airport as a medical team of three New Zealand doctors received an emotional farewell from a big crowd of supporters before flying to Turkey to join the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. The doctors, who left Auckland yesterday, hope to ...
With submissions closing today, Macassey-Pickard says groups around the country have been supporting a huge range of people to make their submissions. ...
Our response to the new legislation is informed by targeted conversations with practitioners working in the system and through an implementation lens. ...
The new ‘Fast-track Approvals Bill’ would give just three Ministers the power to approve or deny development projects. They would avoid the usual checks and balances that are in place to protect rivers, land, the ocean, and communities. ...
COMMENTARY:By Eugene Doyle Helen Clark, how I miss you. The former New Zealand Prime Minister — the safest pair of hands this country has had in living memory — gave a masterclass on the importance of maintaining an independent foreign policy when she spoke at an AUKUS symposium held ...
The government's released the list of organisations provided with information on how to apply - just hours before public submissions on the bill close. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Milton Speer, Visiting Fellow, School of Mathematical and Physical Sciences, University of Technology Sydney Before climate change really got going, eastern Australia’s flash floods tended to concentrate on our coastal regions, east of the Great Dividing Range. But that’s changing. Now ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elizabeth Finkel, Vice-Chancellor’s Fellow, La Trobe University Sia Duff / South Australian Museum In February, the South Australian Museum “re-imagined” itself. In the face of rising costs and inadequate government funds, CEO David Gaimster, who took the reins last June, declared ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alan Pearce, Professor, School of Allied Heath, Human Services & Sport, La Trobe University, La Trobe University This week, Collingwood AFL player Nathan Murphy announced his retirement, brought on by his concussion history and ongoing issues. The 24-year-old’s seemingly sudden retirement, ...
The Mental Health Foundation provides support and resources for those facing the loss of their job, so it’s wrong in the very week the Government adds another 1000 jobs to its tally of cuts, that this is happening. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alexander Howard, Senior Lecturer, Discipline of English and Writing, University of Sydney Daniel Boud/Sydney Theatre Company Decay, terror, revulsion. These are three of the central themes of Thomas Bernhard’s rarely performed play The President. The Austrian is one of the greatest ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ye In (Jane) Hwang, Postdoctoral Research Associate at School of Population Health, UNSW Sydney Shutterstock You’d be hard pressed to find any aspect of daily life that doesn’t require some form of digital literacy. We need only to look back ten ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says threats by ministers Shane Jones and David Seymour to reform or close down the Waitangi Tribunal were “ill-considered”, as legal experts say the ministers may have breached Cabinet Manual conventions. “I think those comments are ill-considered and we expect all ministers to actually exercise good ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rob Newton, Professor of Exercise Medicine, Edith Cowan University Pexels/RDNE stock project You’re not in your 20s or 30s anymore and you know regular health checks are important. So you go to your GP. During the appointment they measure your waist. ...
A new poem by Evangeline Riddiford Graham. Mitochondrial Problem I. It was long drive to Kansas for the man and his dog but you have to understand he said She doesn’t fly. Which calls to mind not carsick shitting barking or whining but a dog who chooses not to as ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Hemingway’s Goblet by Dermot Ross (Mary Egan Publishing, $38)Hot off the press, this debut ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Laura Wajnryb McDonald, PhD candidate in Criminology, University of Sydney Less than 24 hours after Ashlee Good was murdered in Bondi Junction, her family released a statement requesting the media take down photographs they had reproduced of Ashlee and her family without ...
Chief executive Shaun Robinson said it has not had any government funding cut, but government-funded contracts have not kept pace with rising costs. ...
The Ministry of Health has delayed the release of its evidence brief on the safety, reversibility and mental health and wellbeing outcomes for puberty blockers. While we wait, Julia de Bres speaks to those with firsthand experience. Best practice gender-affirming healthcare is based on trans people’s self-determination and agency. The ...
Barcelona’s city streets have gone from traffic-clogged to pedestrian-friendly. How? Superblocks. Ellen Rykers explains. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week I read a great interview with renowned urbanist Janette Sadik-Khan by The Spinoff’s Wellington editor Joel MacManus: “You can reimagine streets, ...
Student groups ‘Climate Action VUW’, Schools Strike 4 Climate and VUWSA will be on the street in Wellington today, the last day for submissions on the Fast-track Approvals Bill, with a message that the fight against the Government’s ‘War on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sofia Ammassari, Research Fellow, Griffith University Since 2014, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s popularity has grown exponentially – and so has the formidable organisational machine of his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). These two factors will be key to delivering the BJP a ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Brendon Hyndman, Associate Professor of Education (Adjunct) & Senior Manager (BCE), Charles Sturt University During COVID almost all Australian students and their families experienced online learning. But while schools have long since gone back to in-person teaching, online learning has not gone ...
Yes, they’re better for the environment. No, that’s not a good enough reason for me to use them. Once every 26 days or so, my period arrives, and if struck by an act of God, I am caught red-crotched without products. How, after 17 years of this, do I still ...
“It will cause significant harm to our environment and communities. It is completely at odds with New Zealanders’ relationship with nature and our need for a low-carbon, sustainable economic future." ...
The Chair of the National Maori Authority, Matthew Tukaki, has warned a Parliamentary Select Committee that fast-tracking legislation is a perilous practice that undermines the core tenets of democracy, transparency, and accountability. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tim Tenbensel, Associate Professor, Health Policy, University of Auckland, Waipapa Taumata Rau Getty Images Since coming into power, the coalition government has adopted a simple but shrewd see-how-fast-we-can-move political strategy. However, in the health sector this need for speed entails ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anastasia Hronis, Clinical Psychologist, University of Technology Sydney Darya Sannikova/Pexels Whether you’re watching TV, attending a footy game, or eating a meal at your local pub, gambling is hard to escape. Although the rise of gambling is not unique to Australia, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Wong, Forrest Fellow, School of Biological Sciences, The University of Western Australia Have you ever wondered if there are more insects out at night than during the day? We set out to answer this question by combing through the scientific ...
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anyone not deeply concerned about this needs to take a good hard look at themselves.
you have it from our Minister of Justice. If you are a parent of a 12 year old who identifies as a member of the opposite sex, and as a parent you say no to your child taking puberty blockers (that countries such as the UK and Finland no longer allow and for which there is no good evidence for their efficacy), then it would be seen to be attempting conversion therapy and said parent could be dragged through the legal process and face five years in jail.
who in earth in the right mind thinks this is ok? Labour has been completely captured by gender ideology and have completely lost it.
I will be actively campaigning to see them voted out
a child at 12 years of age
can not consent to sex
can not legally conduct business
can not get a tattoo
can not get a lisence
can not move out to live on its own
can not get a full time job
but they can and will get puperty blockers.
I am very happy i have twice not voted for this crew.
Its absolute insantiy, its lucky the Nats are a shamble because if stuff like this starts getting traction alongside hate speech legislation the the tide will turn against the govt very quickly… fuck lightbulbs and showerheads became a flashpoint for Helen Clarke this will be much much worse.
Yet here we are, all using said lightbulbs and shower heads.
Is it all the same to a Labour Voter? Your child is comparable to a shower head or maybe an EV?
Funny though, that what people fear under national they wholeheartedly agree with under labour. So its not a question of 'better' its a question of unquestioning loyalty and as always in these cases the most vulnerable will pay the bill.
In this case, kids that may wake up in the future, with their reproductive organs destroyed in the name of a bullshit gender ID.
As for the lightbulbs and showerheads, ask yourself if you will be rich enough in the future to have enough money to pay for the electricity and the water use?
Cricklewood made the analogy, idiot.
Yep… because the issue sat with people not wanting govt to rwll them what to do in their homes… this potentially has the same effect.
well, i voted for Helen Clark that last election that she lost to John Key. I would have loved to vote for Jeaneatte Fitzsimmons, but all that is history.
To compare the potential of long lasting physical damage to people because as pre- teens they wanted to be the opposite sex for waht ever reasons shows to me that some people have lost what it means to be human imo.
Maybe the governments decision to mutilate the children of this country in the name of Gender ID is cheaper then to actually tackle sexual harrasment /rape /physical violence against girls and women, and it must be certainly cheaper tehn actually providing mental health support to those who need and want it.
Labour, cheap as, and proudly so.
The issue of parents facing five years in prison for telling their kids they are not getting puberty blockers is the what I posted about.
Bringing in light bulbs and showerheads is just a deflection technique and has no relevance to the conversion therapy bill .
Muttonbird either have the guts to say you don;t think there is a problem with parents who say no to their 12 year old taking puberty blockers facing a five year prison sentence or admit that things are going horribly wrong.
My point was that voters dont like govts telling them how to live and the certainly wont like being told how to raise their children and being potentially criminalized for it.
To be clear im completely against the proposed as I am hate speech legislation
Hi Cricklewood, my comment was directed towards Muttonbird who I felt implied that there was nothing to see here, we all got use to showerheads.
So understand you were making the point that people hate interference in their home life
Again, it was Cricklewood who made the analogy. Why don't you try reading the comments?
ok Muttonbird, I take your point. I think you then added "yet here we are all using light bulbs and showerheads".
I interpreted this as meaning in 15 years time no one with be bothered about kids on puberty blockers. My apologies if that is not what you meant at all
I don't imagine parents are going to go to prison for blocking blockers.
What Faafoi should have said to 1ZB was that he hoped parents and children would discuss all options available with qualified medical and psychological experts and find out what's best for their family.
1ZB’s gotcha, shock-jock broadcasting does not help inform the public well on sensitive subjects.
I think they are disgraceful myself but aggressive, fake-news reporting seems to be the favoured model as media outlets vie for the ears of cashed up conservative wankers.
"Yet here we are, all using said lightbulbs and shower heads."
Was that worth nine years of FJK?
Depends on whom you ask. I think some people would argue that those nine long years were the golden years of and for the National Party. It was only because the Election was ‘stolen’ from them that they didn’t get a fourth term, it was that close.
Efficacy at what; Anker? The evidence is certainly conclusive that GnRHa are efficacious in the role of blocking the onset of puberty. Maybe you mean; effective in creating positive health outcomes for the patients? But even that isn't very controversial, though at least less clearcut:
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20182162
If dysphoria is too difficult a topic, lets shift over to precocious puberty. Whatever the opinions on Trans use of puberty blockers, can we at least agree that pre-teens are really not mature enough to go through puberty, and that it's good to have medicine to delay that?
Youngest mother on record was Lina Medina at 5years age (father was never identified – pre Franklin, so no DNA tests); apparently she's still alive somewhere in Peru. She would likely have appreciated access to puberty blockers!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina
https://segm.org/NICE_gender_medicine_systematic_review_finds_poor_quality_evidence
Forget now…………….NICE have done a thorough review of these medications. There findings show no or very low evidence of benefit
NICE (National Institute for Clinical and Health Care Excellence ) review most medical treatments. they are independent and scrupulous in their findings. Their finding trump any other research you might quote. In this case there is no debate about this.
Moving along now Forget Now are you ok with parents of a 12 year old who say no to puberty blockers facing a prison sentence for five years?
I am not hear to debate the issue of precocious puberty. I would hope that clinicians consult with parents about medical options and that the parents have a very large say in that, if not the only say and don’t face five years in jail for saying no.
What's the efficacy in using puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria?
How many kids on PBs progress to cross sex hormones?
What risks are there from both classes of drugs?
Why aren't the voices of detrans people being heard in this debate, especially detrans lesbians?
ie young women who transitioned to trans men, then detransitioned for a range of reasons including it made no difference to their GD or made it worse.
Young lesbians who found an easier pathway to being a trans man than an out lesbian, but who later realised that radical surgery and hormones came at a huge cost that wasn't warranted in their case.
Young people in a huge bloody mess whose only option was gender identity affirmation from clinicians, and who weren't offered or supported into looking at other mental health issues or social pressures, and who weren't offered other treatments eg counselling.
The reason for little or no trans or ex trans comments on this list is, I would posit, pretty easy to discern from recent post. What posts you ask, the ones where lots of people on this list made statements of support for trans people at the same time as declaring they are just (in the case of MTF) Men in dresses, I'm sure you can find them fairly easily, there are lots of them, some of them attacking Stephanie Rodgers for example. I'm only commenting because I've had enough of being demonised by people who post things like 'NICE' research trumps any other you could come up with. O course it does if it agrees with y ur view of the world and how it works. I will at least be up front here, I am a 64 year old Trans woman and I don't agree with self identifying. I also think that there is a lot of transphobia in some of those posts. Don't think I'm saying people hate trans folk, I'm not because that's not what transphobia is. The word says it, it is a phobia, a fear of trans people, though why anyone would fear me is pretty inconceivable. You have come up with Women Space, good on you, I'm not asking for transpace because I suspect I might be the only, or one of the very few trans people who read the Standard on a regular basis so what would be the point, but I certainly wouldn't feel welcome in the women's space, and believe me I don't actually care what anyone thinks of me personally but there are some pretty broad brush strokes being made in the posts I have referred to. Anyway, my 2 cents worth.
Nobody has been attacking Stephanie Rodgers. Lots of people criticised her argument which (if you read the recent post) declared the obvious fact that biological males gain significant long lasting sporting performance advantages during puberty, to be irrelevant. She is however welcome to make a serious argument at any time, just this early cut was perceived as feeble (a bunch of slogans which are clearly contradicted by the evidence).
Joanne, hang in there.
I'm still optimistic the clauses in the bill will pass, and all the anxiety will evaporate.
We're the first country on earth to send a transsexual to the Olympics and yet we're still waiting for the legislation to catch up with reality.
I reckon the next five years in NZ will go something like this:
A government, court, sporting body, or any damned institution anywhere will make a reasoned judgement on the issue, mostly with a genuine intention of making the best call with the best available knowledge at the time, based on their organisational objectives.
A bunch of people will go "but why didn't they listen to us? This is a tragic day for our community and justice".
A bunch of other people will praise the organisation's "brave" and "fair" decision that was made "rationally, on the available facts".
As to which group is which, things will probably keep going the way they're going for the next few years, but the conservative backlash will be ugly.
Well I agree McFlock, I think the backlash will be ugly.
I don't see why some poor parent should be dragged through the court system or threatened with it, facing 5 years in jail, just because they tell their 12 year old kid they can't go on puberty blockers.
Or, to rephrase the information in your linked article in comment 1, even if the police and the attorney general seperately come to the conclusion that there is sufficent evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the parents' medical choices for their child are demonstrably causing harm with the intention of trying to change the child's sexual orientation or gender identity, you don't believe that such an instance should be put to the court.
BTW, it's "Laurel" Hubbard. At least get her name right.
AB that is a fair comment from you.
But I think it should be ruled out pronto! It will damage the party hugely and if they don't rule it out, they will be dead meat when the first test case comes to light.
By the way a father went to jail for six months in Canada for refusing to accept hibs daughters gender identity and objected to the treatment proposed. I think from memory she was 14 years old. Will find the link if you like.
Reply to McFlock…….Of course it shouldn't go to court…….It should be dealt with as all other such issues, through Orangi Tamariki. Whatever their faults, that is their job. That is the sort of thing they deal with.
The legislation will intimidate parents for making what they consider is the best decision for their child.
I wasn't going to comment on Laurel Hubbard today, but I am wondering if anyone can tell me, if there is no difference or very little between female and males in sport, how come Laurel, didn't get very far when she competed as a man?
Well Ad not everyone agrees with Laureen Hubbard competing in the women's section. I have posted it many times, but biological males have a significant advantage over biological women in sports. Tracey also posted a separate link on Women's Day.
Ad your comments are another example of a man being happy to celebrate handing over a women's category, space to a biological male. Thanks but no thanks.
If you followed the issue in the US there are multiple examples of transwomen, biological males winning against females, taking their awards. Nothing to celebrate there.
transwomen more than welcome to compete in what should be the open category.
Thanks Joanne. I don't disagree that TS isn't very conducive to trans people talking openly about trans politics. But then I'm a feminist who rarely feels it's worth it or safe to write feminist posts on TS. Few people seem bothered enough to do anything about that either.
"O course it does if it agrees with y ur view of the world and how it works."
The irony there is that if No Debate hadn't happened, we'd have worked through most of the issues by now. The great thing about TS is that if someone puts up a piece of R/S, others can pull it apart. On *any side of a debate. The shit thing about TS, is that it takes time to do this, and the most marginalised people often don't have the time or safety or inclination to use up their energy that way. But at least there is an opportunity here to make progress.
I also believe that there is transphobia on the left and within GC/GCF movements, both antipathy towards trans women and the subconscious or casual transphobia that exists in the same way that sexism or racism does on the left. Again No Debate is a massive problem here that is actively hindering resolving this.
One thing that would help if is people saying there is transphobia in a comment or post they also quoted the specific bit and explained *how it is transphobic.
I think calling trans women 'men in dresses' is demeaning, and usually speaks to the person being transphobic. It's also an own goal for GCFs because part of the point of breaking down gender role norms is to free people from oppression so that we can wear whatever we want. I key word searched the Women's Day comments and there aren't any comments of that kind there, there are some under the Kathleen Stock post, but to me they're mostly not aimed at TW but at cross dressing men. People are on a learning curve about what trans is, and the definition of trans is so broad now that it's going to take time in society to work through what is fair and just.
I'm sure it looks different to you. All I can offer here is that if people want to address any of these issues, I'll do my best to moderate so that it doesn't get out of hand and so that all sides get a fair hearing.
Thanks Weka, I've been reading TS for over 24 years though I've only commented a handful of times, however I have never felt that I had to speak up on behalf of Trans folk until this GC/GCF business came up. At university in my 40's I was always welcome in the women only spaces and I found hearing how unwelcome I actually was to be quite dispiriting. If anyone is interested in discussing any issue related to trans ness I am happy to share my understandings in relation to my lived experience, but it is only my experience. Other people will will have different experiences than I do so I personally prefer that mine don't get somehow assigned to all trans women.
I think there would be many here who would welcome hearing your views based on lived experience. Myself, I think such stories are crucial to building understanding across difference.
Ok Joanne, I am glad you have posted your point of view
I have to say I don't think I am demonising other's research when I say NICE trumps other research. As I said NICE is an Institute that is thoroughly objective and impatial. They don't really care what the evidence shows them, they just care about being scuperlous about evidence. I think it is fair to say that a lot of the research that has been done is by people who hold a particular position.
I think Stephanie was criticized by one or two commentators on the Women's Day post, but I don't recall her previously commenting on the Standard, although I understand she did.
If isn't that pleasant when people make it personal. Someone on today's Open Mike said about me, words to the effect that "you make yourself look like a deranged obsessive". That was pretty unkind, but I guess he is entitled to that view. I would prefer it if he had of debated the issue. So sometimes people get personal on the Standard. Its unfortunate. I try not to myself, but it would be untrue to say I never have.
I appreciate you commenting and I wish you well
I am with you Anker on this one. I know very little on this legislation. However as the father of a 10 year old daughter I heard all I need to hear from the Minister on HDA to confirm this legislation absolutely needs to be opposed.
HI David, Yes I totally understand your concern!
Take care and if you have energy for it, write to your MP or visit them. Gather up any friends who are also alarmed and take action if you are in the position to do so.
I'm with you and Anker. And after Faafoi's similarly awful performance on the hate speech laws, I'm beginning to wonder if the problem may be both the message and the messenger.
Yip the worlds getting stupider by the day, my kid told me the other day that thier school tried gender fluid toilets at a primary school for fucks sake!!
No surprises they got rid of it because boys took the piss , literally by the sound of it .
Act and national grow in % every poll fucking snap out of it you fools.
OMG bwaghorn………
Yes snap out of it you fools.
Restrictions on unvaccinated people are starting to happen in many places overseas.
https://fortune.com/2021/07/26/europe-us-next-steps-covid-passport-mandatory-vaccine-fight-delta-variant/
Outright anger at the unvaccinated is happening more and more in the US.
https://people.com/human-interest/vaccinated-americans-express-anger-with-those-who-refuse-covid-vaccines/
It's likely both those things are coming to New Zealand sometime early next year, after all those that want the vaccine have received it.
Surely they can quickly write a bill and criminalise all these people. I hear prisons are a good investment.
Well yes we doing seem to proposing to criminalize more things so investing in prisons seems a safe bet… and I read today the comancheros have their own wing in Mt Eden remand prison… wtf
There is good money in keeping a high bed occupancy rates in Prisons.
Labour/National, The same coin, very little difference.
Yes National want to lock up the gangas, Labour want to lock up parents who refuse their kids puberty blockers, or therapists who attempt to explore issues with clients (which is what therapists do) get mis-interpreted as conversion therapy. Or worse still a vexacious clients lies about what was actually said.
Therapists are regulated by Professionals Bodies. They should be left to do their job of evaluating complaints about therapists. There is also the Health and Disability Commisioner. I have only heard of one therapist in this country practicing conversion therapy. FFS what overkill.
If I was a therapist I would be looking not to working with any clients who I felt under threat of a prison sentence. Lets face it there is a desparate shortage of therapists. Why would you want to endanger yourself?
Interesting comment. A few months back I was nattering away one night with the guy who heads up our site security/service group. Turns out like most mature people he's started out in a quite different field (that I won't detail for privacy reasons) – but it was very much dealing with people's personal issues and counselling.
I asked why he gave it away as it was clear he had invested decades of his life into it and I'd judge he was very good at it. His answer was partly the predictable burnout that most of these people experience – and exactly what you describe, the increasing risk of vexacious clients. He went on to say that in many ways he missed the work – the burnout you could recover from – but the professional hazard had only become worse with time.
Yes National want to lock up the gangas, Labour want to lock up parents who refuse their kids puberty blockers, or therapists who attempt to explore issues with clients (which is what therapists do) get mis-interpreted as conversion therapy. Or worse still a vexacious clients lies about what was actually said.
Therapists are regulated by Professionals Bodies. They should be left to do their job of evaluating complaints about therapists. There is also the Health and Disability Commisioner. I have only heard of one therapist in this country practicing conversion therapy. FFS what overkill.
If I was a therapist I would be looking not to working with any clients who I felt under threat of a prison sentence. Lets face it there is a desparate shortage of therapists. Why would you want to endanger yourself?
Nah, no real need. It's a fairly short-term issue. At most it will just be two or three years before pretty much everyone has either been vaccinated, or got the disease and died or survived the disease with whatever long term problems they get from the experience.
Although maybe if the Nats were in power, they'd go for it. Like you say, it's a great potential business opportunity.
Who cares what National would do when it is Labour running the show.
And i personally don't believe that this virus is going anywhere soon. And anyone who does, must really ask themselves why they think it will.
I totally expect prisons for the 'uneductated' and the ‘unwilling’ and ‘unvaccinated’ and ‘unco-operative’ and i would not put it past Labour to fill those prisons. After all, the economy must be going strong.
But then, some truly believe that Labour is not the other side of the same coin. 🙂
What the Nats might do becomes a relevant question in 2023. Particularly if public opinion swings against Labour's handling of pandemic.
Either by being perceived to be unreasonably restrictive (ignore the rantings of the Husks and his ilk, they're not the swing voters), or by being perceived to have opened up too early by being insufficiently mindful of new information (like I happen to think they were by opening up to Oz when Delta was starting to happen and neither Oz nor we had any kind of wide vaccine coverage).
i honestly don't care.
Our political environment is called MMP.
The best government anyone of us can hope for is one that is based on multiple parties forging a coalition.
And that is the same on the left and the right.
I think public opinion will swing against parents facing five years in jail for telling their kids they can't use puberty blockers. Wait for the back lash.
I don't see any good options as to who governs NZ, but one thing is for sure. I have lost all respect for Labour.
Y'know, you've probably made your views clear on other threads today. Derailing this thread to your hobbyhorse as well just makes you look like an unhinged single-issue obsessive.
Y'know Andre, it is Open Mike, so my understanding is that any topic here is o.k. And you know I was the first to comment today, so I have know idea about what you mean about de-railing this thread.
"makes you look like an unhinged single-issue obsessive"……thank you for your very gracious response to me. (sarc)……….I most often find on this issue, when people have no decent arguements, that start trying to label me i.e. they play the woman not the ball.
I am not aware of any rules on the Standard that say you must post or comment on more than one issue. I am sure the moderators would have pulled me up if this was the case.
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Y'know I have been pondering this some more Andre. Have you just gaslighted me? You know that thing people do where they try to make out to others that a person is crazy ("unhinged" or "obsessive") to try and disempower and discredit them.
What do you think???????
Whatever, please don't imply anything about my mental health again please.
And btw, a number of people on this thread and this site support what I am saying.
Parents can be imprisoned for many acts against their children here. In the USA children can divorce their parents, and there have been cases where children know their gender long before 12 years of age.
Being a parent does not make one infallible, just emotionally invested. The important person in this equation is the child. Rigid thinking won't help, and outside experts as in psychology, may assist with what may be a family trauma.
This government has gone with the science in their practice, and will continue to do so.
Last time it was vaccinating girls against human pap virus which some thought parents would refuse believing it would encourage loose behaviour. Now vaccination is clearly accepted.
Ministers have advisers, and do sometimes get ahead of public opinion. It is a balance of rights in a situation where the child is powerless, a hard one.
This government has gone with the science …
There's science, and then there's science.
Discrepancies in the evaluation of the safety of the human papillomavirus vaccine
Despite being more than ten years since its introduction, global acceptance to the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine is still low. The immunogenetic background of the host, and HPV antigen recognition, are important in natural HPV infection, and should be taken into account in the understanding of adverse autoimmune reactions by the HPV vaccine in certain groups. There is no doubt of the benefit of vaccines in the reduction of the incidence of infectious diseases, and in the case of HPV, the prevention of persistent infection that would lead to cervical cancer. Side-effects, however, should be closely monitored and reported without any bias, to ensure that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks of adverse reactions. In this article we bring the attention on certain adverse effects of the vaccine against HPV that have not been well studied as they are not well defined. We also compare the different approaches on HPV vaccine policies regarding its adverse reactions in countries like Japan and Colombia, vs. the recommendations issued by the WHO.
It is way too easy to write off those with concerns about a vaccine to prevent cervical cancer as being religious fundamentalists. Too easy, and lazy, and in too many instances harmful to too many young women.
That small and seemingly insignificant percentage of vaccine recipients who suffer severe and long term adverse reactions are routinely dismissed and ignored.
This refusal to acknowledge that some vaccines do harm some people does more to fuel vaccine hesitancy than any anti -vax promoter.
That small and seemingly insignificant percentage of vaccine recipients who suffer severe and long term adverse reactions are routinely dismissed and ignored.
And the consequence of this is an undermining of trust. One of the defining characteristics of the entire public health apparatus during this pandemic has been it's treating of the public as children – who can be routinely underinformed or misdirected 'for their own good'. You might get away with this a few times, but eventually enough people see what's going on.
And face it – vaccines (indeed almost all medical interventions for that matter) depend on trust. None of us, not even medical professionals themselves, can be across the details of everything. So when we see public health systems behaving in ways that seem untrustworthy, or corrupt even, it becomes normal and natural to doubt, question and seek better answers.
To be fair it's my view that public health systems were handicapped from the start in that they believed that SARS-COVID-2 was just another zoonotic virus that could be safely handled with their existing toolkit. I think it's turned out this was only partly true and globally the response has been deeply politicised and fumbled from the start. And in particular the window of opportunity to drive this virus to extinction last year has passed – I was optimistic then, I'm not now.
Instead we've allowed this virus to do what it was created to do, adapt to evolutionary selection pressure and the result is at this point in time – Delta. And slowly public health authorities are waking up to how this has changed the game. To add to the challenge there are so many complex parts to this pandemic, so many contradictory aspects that I doubt anyone really understands what is going on and what's likely to happen next.
We're truly in uncharted waters now and it would be better if we cut down the volume of the bickering and paid more attention to what was happening.
To be fair, what we've allowed is the undermining of trust to be monetised.
https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1420960217609773060
How did the US election get muddled into this?
Or are you suggesting that google should be appointed the sole arbiter of what is allowed to be said?
Not at all sure what your point is.
It's the same business model, be it elections or public health.
edit: my point – it’s shouting fire in a crowded theatre shit
And sometimes fire do indeed break out. It's a question of intent.
Last year I was getting shouted down when I suggested that we needed to be more careful about the potential for variants to arise. It was almost as if people wanted to believe that the principles of evolutionary biology didn't apply to this virus. Yet here we are with Delta and it won't be the last.
Just to be clear I believe that on the preponderance of circumstantial evidence (> 95% probability) that SARS-COVID-2 is a lab escape from GoF research conducted in Wuhan. Equally there remains a small but non-zero chance it has a true zoonotic origin. There is no proof for either hypothesis at present – and labelling either as 'misinformation' isn't justified.
And that we can also recognise that a lot of people have strong professional and political motives to ensure that no conclusive evidence for the lab leak hypothesis ever sees the light of day.
The bottom line. Explains the furious back-peddling from it's a hoax, vaccination is a plot panders to an audience of believers and drags in the advertisers, to listen up, it's real and vaccines work because the lawyers see legal consequences on the horizon.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1421129356869570562
ditto this shit, for as long as the audience demands it
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1421204601294970884
btw, China's Chernobyl I reckon – an accident, a poor attempt to save face and manage their way out of the crisis and bingo, pandemic
Funny thing is I've never read or heard of a reputable vaccinologist (you know, someone who is a vaccine expert) who has refused to acknowledge, or "routinely dismissed and ignored" evidence that vaccines have adverse (side-)effects. And yet, if I'm interpreting your comment correctly, these 'dismissive vaccinologists' are thick on the ground.
Imho the vast majority of vaccinologists believe that, on balance, vaccines are a net benefit to human health. The Covid-19 vaccines, in particular the more effective ones, are also of net benefit to human health – one only has to look at how lethality of Covid-19 infections has declined dramatically in countries with moderate-to-high vaccine coverage. It really is that obvious, and that simple. Of course improved medical treatment(s), and less pressure on health systems, helps.
And, since you're dishing out the "too easy, and lazy" pejoratives, and insinuating that the global medical establishment is ignoring, dismissing and refusing to acknowledge the side-effects of COVID-19 vaccines, I've got another pejorative for you: 'alarmist'.
Hmmm…did you read the paper I referred to?
A review of the HPV vaccine safety by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found no difference in side effects between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals (Gee et al. 2016). In fact the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event reporting System (VAERS) states that the HPV vaccine is very safe, and has not found any unexpected patterns in maternal or fetal outcomes (Moro et al. 2015).
These conclusions, however, are based on records that should be interpreted with care, especially when assessing cases with non-specific diagnosis, for which there is not a clear consensus on the diagnostic criteria (Goldenberg 2009) (Fig. 1).
Despite these pronouncements on the safety of HPV vaccine, regions in Colombia have reported a disproportionate number of neuropathic pain cases (with respect to the expected reactions declared by the pharmaceutical company producing Gardasil) (Sánchez-Gómez and Hernández-Flórez 2014).
It is important to note that the occurrence of demyelinating disease after vaccination, despite being low, is not negligible. This type of complication has been reported for multiple vaccines such as influenza, HPV, hepatitis A or B, rabies, measles, rubella, yellow fever, anthrax, meningococcus, and tetanus.
And so on until the end of the paper.
Perhaps we can agree that the vaccinologists of global note, or at least the greatest reach, are found at the CDC? The same CDC that effectively dismissed any link between the HPV vaccine and reported side effects.
As for 'perjoratives'…unintended, I assure you. PB wrote '…loose behaviour.' which triggered the recollection from way back when Gardasil was first rolled out. There was some that were concerned that this vaccine would give license to promiscuity, and some of that was from religious communities. It didn't help that it was in predominantly Catholic Latin America that there were (for reasons the linked to paper suggests requires investigation) a significant number of adverse effects. Add to that reports of a cluster of vaccine damaged girls from Ireland (which were considered 'worth it' in terms of the protection afforded the rest of the vaccine recipients) and the stage was well set for the narrative to emerge that HPV vaccine opposition emanated from the religious conservatives.
Very unfortunate, because it allowed the real reason for Gardasil hesitancy….the large numbers of girls significantly affected…to be sidelined.
And sidelined they were…as the paper I linked to suggests.
I appreciate that you want to help Rosemary. It boils down to who and what you trust. I trust expert scientific consensuses. They're not always right (who/what is), but (in my experience) they're right more often than not (including on vaccines), and these consensuses can evolve..
I believe it's more than just dumb luck that my trust in expert (evidence-based) consensuses has often been rewarded, and the placebo effect probably doesn't hurt either.
We can agree that reputable vaccinologists work at the CDC, and that they contribute to various national and international consensuses on the efficacy and safety of vaccines.
It's also seems way too easy to write-off vaccinologists as 'lazy'; maybe they, like you, also want to minimise (needless) harm and death in their communities, albeit in their own lazy ways.
A few lazy experts in NZ have somehow managed to assemble this well-referenced educational material on the HPV vaccine Gardasil 9.
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/consumers/educational-material/gardasil9QandA.asp
Here's what they have to say about Gardasil's serious side-effects:
Only 7 deaths (out of 15,875 people)? Surely there must have been more – I smell a rat.
Totally agree Anker. Puberty always has been a period of emotional turbulence and vulnerability. We recognise this with among other things an age of consent, and strong social censuring of age inappropriate relationships where exploitation of immaturity is highly likely.
Exploiting this natural period of sexual volatility – that almost always resolves itself with time – to impose irreversible biological change with powerful puberty blocking drugs is in my view profoundly wicked. Objectively I'd consider this practise potentially more damaging than outright sex abuse.
Traditionally we expected parents to provide a framework of protection in this period – an often difficult and usually thankless task. With the slow undermining of the family as a basic social unit, and the virtual demolition of the role of fatherhood in particular, little of this applies any more. Any parent attempting to constrain the poor choices of their children can expect no support, and now the prospect of a criminal prosecution.
The logical destination of this trend is of course straight out of the dystopian novels – the dismantling of the nuclear family (a dream of the marxists right from the outset) and it's replacement with the apparatus of the state. If this seems a straw man – then consider that the discussion we are currently having on other threads around 'self identifying gender' would have been considered utter lunacy just a decade ago.
I would totally agree if I thought that this is what the legislation was intended to do, or would even rarely do as an unintended consequence. I'm not convinced on either of those points – because it is such a preposterous and unimaginable outcome. We've all seen plenty of alarmist over-reaction to legislation of this sort – from the homosexual law reform bill of the 1980's to the S58 repeal in the 2000's.
Fair enough – the conversation does tend to stray from the relatively narrow topic of the legislation. But on the other hand puberty blockers are a real thing … and again a mere decade ago would have been considered crazy talk.
Perhaps you should take time to investigate what has happened in other Western countries where those unintended consequences are indeed occurring,
The new law regarding non-conversion therapy is written in such a way that does not prevent this result.
Read the review into the Tavistock Clinic and have a look at the case of the father trying to stop his child from receiving puberty blockers.
Although we have an opportunity to learn from these 'unintended consequences' from overseas, we seem to be sleepwalking into passing similar laws without changes.
The post Sabine put up last night is worth a watch if you have the time, to see how badly wriiten laws and lacklustre safeguards can result in institutional harm.
https://twitter.com/imwatson91?lang=en
I think the comparison to the Homosexual Reform Bill is a lazy.false equivalence. There are concrete concerns about how the proposals are currently written which does mean they are bigoted or ill-advised.
AB have you listened to what Kris Faafoi said on the link I posted at the top of Open Mike? That seems to be exactly what he is saying. It might not mean five years in jail but it could.
Exactly. This is not some theoretical scaremongering. It is the responsible Minister saying without equivocation it is exactly what could happen … 5 years jail for a parent who intervenes when their child wants to self medicate. He thought this was a perfectly acceptable outcome.
I did – but I'm not convinced Faafoi actually knows or can say either way with any certainty. We have courts. Agreed that puberty blockers are a minefield and it would not surprise me if pharma companies turn out to be inventing medical conditions that just conveniently happen to be ' treatable' by drugs they have sitting on the shelf.
Yes, maybe we can start the internment camps on Rangitoto for all smokers and the slightly overweight next year too… Wouldn't that be lovely [sarc].. 🙄
You can always tell the totalitarians ideologues – they're really good at finding fresh scapegoats to punish.
AB that is a fair comment from you.
But I think it should be ruled out pronto! It will damage the party hugely and if they don't rule it out, they will be dead meat when the first test case comes to light.
By the way a father went to jail for six months in Canada for refusing to accept hibs daughters gender identity and objected to the treatment proposed. I think from memory she was 14 years old. Will find the link if you like.
Vaccination by itself is not a full control,physical health interventions still need to be both maintained and increased (say enhanced international travel restrictions eg Sydney).
https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1420484703941971980
For sure there won't be a return to anything resembling pre-2020 normal.
But once everyone here that wants vaccination has received it, I for one won't have any appetite for level 3 or level 4 lockdowns to try to regain elimination status. Nor will I have any patience for requiring 2 weeks of managed isolation for all international arrivals including vaccinated citizens and permanent residents.
In general, I've been on the cautious side when it comes to restrictions. I thought opening a travel bubble with Australia was ill-advised and premature. I thought some of the lockdowns were lifted earlier than was wise.
Now consider, if someone as cautious as me won't support ongoing stringent efforts to maintain elimination after the widespread vaccination programme is complete, where will the balance of opinion lie across the rest of New Zealand?
The world had a window of 'elimination' strategy, last year and if the world would have gone into 'lockdown' as a collective it might have worked.
By now, there is no more 'elimination' strategy. There is a mitigating, keeping at bay, hoping to vaccinate many strategy as most if not all the issues that we went into lockdown are still the same.
No bed capacity in hospitals. Not enough ICU beds, if a huge outbreak were to occur i doubt we would have enough ventilators (yeah, we got a 100), not enough Staff -be that nurses, orderlies, cleaners, nurse aids, cooks etc to actually properly staff any of our hospitals in NZ – and the current RSV outbreak showed a light to that failure.
so the very best anyone can hope for atm, is that if you get the delta variant or any other after that that one may survive or better even, does not need to be hospitalised.
And that is what Israel is betting on. They don't care about the infections per se, but the death rate. If only a few die, they have 'won'. Here have a booster shot.
One of the most vaccinated countries as well… i guess it shows that they're not overly effective in stopping transmission so much for herd immunity.
Perhaps Israel is paying a price for trumpeting its fabulous vaccination rate.
Bitten on the bum because Delta has come from the Palestinians that they refused to provide vaccine for, contrary to their international obligation as an occupying power?
It's still the unvaccinated in Israel that are most of the cases. It's only a very few vaccinated but still vulnerable Israelis that are paying a price for the anti-social arsehole anti-vaxers among them.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/just-one-serious-covid-patient-in-israel-is-both-vaccinated-and-under-60-tv/
Despite their lower vaccination rates, Palestinian territories appear to be doing okay. Vaccine hesitancy among Israeli fundamentalists is the problem.
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/palestinian-territories/
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/
The unvaccinated might be safer in jail from the superspreader vaccinated. Serious enough to force the CDC to change its guidelines.
During the outbreak investigation, researchers learned that the amount of virus in the noses of vaccinated people experiencing a breakthrough infection was the same as in an unvaccinated person — a worrying sign vaccinated people can spread the virus.
"This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation," said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky in a statement.
"This is a very concerning outbreak — pretty much a 'super spreader event,'" said Dr. Carlos Del Rio, executive associate dean and global health expert at the Emory School of Medicine.
again, anyone expecting this 'vaccine' to be a miracle cure also needs to ask themselves why they think that.
Yes, you can catch the flu after a flu shot, yes, you can transmit that flu. But if you have been vaccinated you might not die of it, or get ill enough to warrant staying home or in hosptial.
This is the same. AS for those that don't want the vaccination, don't. But for what its worth, i would make sure i have my last will in order. because not only can you catch it, transmit it, you have a very good chance dying of it. A much larger chance then those that have had the vaccine. So it appears.
What the latest from the CDC is saying is that those smug fully vaccinated free-ranging through the community are as much as, if not more of a risk to those who are not vaccinated. Not vaccinated for whatever reason. Including those who cannot be vaccinated, or should not be vaccinated.
The much anticipated badge of conformity that will be the Covid Vaccine Passport will be simply fluff and window dressing. 'Cos appearances.
funny that tho,
my friends in the US that are fully vaccinated 'smugs' free ranging, they don't. They understand the science, and are still masked when indoors, still don't hang out at sturgis, or Lollapallooza etc , don't go unmasked into mega churches for a bit of a pandemic god fix, etc.
The ones that are 'freeranging' are the unvaccinated ones, those that are bathed in the blood of Jesus, or that believe in crystal healing or the microsoft chipperys.
But as i said, don't vaccinate, just keep yourself to yourself, and make sure you have your will in order in case you have a will. Just you know, to cross all your t's and dot your i's. So far the vaccine is not mandatory and you get to freerange unvaccinated to your hearts contend.
The ones that are 'freeranging' are the unvaccinated ones
Evidence? Citation?
you might like this.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/
Also i would assume that you are currently free ranging unvaccinated.
Also i would assume that you are currently free ranging unvaccinated.
Why on earth would you assume that?
Because you don't strike me as a person who would volunteer for a vaccination.
Bearing in mind Sabine, the Pfizer so-called vaccine neither prevents infection or transmission of the virus.
By definition it is not a vaccine.
Now, having had the smallpox, polio, TB, DTP, vaccines…
bear in mind that i really don't care if or not you vaccinate.
Truly. It is your decision, and as i have stated before in regards to being pro or con, one makes ones decision and ones then lives with it and all the resulting consequences.
If you are in fact now vaccinated against covid, it would raise a lot of questions about your motivations for posting all kinds of vaccine misinformation here with the apparent goal of pushing people towards misinformed refusal of vaccination.
What vaccine misinformation? And be very, very specific.
Hmm…
But, of course, "the Pfizer so-called vaccine" is an actual vaccine – hard to believe you didn't know that.
Is that specific enough for you, Rosemary? Have I been "very, very specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19
Let's just look at your first contribution to this thread:
That statement implies that vaccinated are more of a threat to the unvaccinated than other unvaccinated. Utter misrepresentation. Vaccinated people are a much lower threat simply because they are much less likely to be infected and infectious. From your CDC link:
Following the link in that quote we find:
The piece linked below from Science Based Medicine is specific to covid, but the discussion about common anti-vax propaganda techniques covers several of your common misinformation techniques here on this site.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/cognitive-illusions-and-how-not-to-write-about-covid-19-and-children/
You want another example if your ongoing misinformation campaign? Here you go, your statement just above at 12:25
Here's the actual definition of vaccine:
Note that it does not have a range of efficacies which something needs to meet before it can be called a vaccine, merely that it is intended to stimulate an immune response. There has never been a vaccine that meets your misinformation incorrect definition, which appears to be an attempt to falsely discredit the Pfizer vaccine.
Even the smallpox vaccine, which successfully eradicated smallpox from this earth, only had about 95% effficacy. But this less than 100.000% efficacy was still enough for communities to achieve herd immunity and eventually end all chains of transmissions.
Yep, the vaccinated can still get it, and they can still spread it.
But the vaccinated are very strongly protected from severe illness, and they are almost completely protected from the virus killing them. So far, I have yet to see reports of long covid happening to the vaccinated.
It's a very striking contrast between the very high risk of death or long-term disability for the unvaccinated, versus the worst case scenario for most of the vaccinated being a minor short term inconvenient unpleasantness like a cold or mild flu.
Having trouble with links etc again on mobile… google search will find it…
Tennessee health department have recorded 27 deaths out of just over 1000 breakthrough cases.
this one here is quite telling.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/
So Tennessee has recorded a total of about 1000 breakthrough cases, huh?
New infections in Tennessee are running around 1800 a day and climbing fast according to Worldometer.
1800 a day among the unvaccinated, versus 1000 cases in total among the vaccinated, looks to me like a damn good argument to get vaccinated.
Sure, was just interesting. There's still alot to be learnt and here's hoping we haven't made any serious mistakes…
We haven't made serious mistakes yet. Or maybe we did with allowing people back from Oz while Delta was ramping up, but we just got lucky (so far).
But the whole game changes once we achieve vaccination coverage of all those that want it. When that is achieved, there will be much more risk in being excessively restrictive to those that have done the right thing and get themselves vaccinated.
Emergence of new variants that are much more infectious to the vaccinated being the obvious known unknown in all of this, of course.
Hopefully we dont end up in a situation where the vaccines we rushed out have the effect of making a new strain worse.
The vaccination for Denghue fever had this effect so now its not given unless you have already had the virus.
I forget the technical term but it is something that has happened with a handful of vaccines.
So far I have yet to see anything that even hints it might be happening out in the field.
The potential antibody dependent enhancement problem with Dengvaxia was known and warned about before it was rolled out in the Philippines. The problems found could have been prevented by antibody testing the recipients before administering the vaccine, but the cost of that would have been quite a burden for a poor country like the Philippines. If you want more detail, this is a good piece:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/sanofi-restricts-dengue-vaccine-downplays-antibody-enhancement
In the development of the covid vaccines, the possibility of antibody dependent enhancement was carefully considered. But it's fairly uncommon for diseases to behave that way, and there's been no evidence of it in other coronaviruses.
Nothing quite like a wee nudge from a dude who's worked for tobacco companies, gambling sites, and voter deterrence campaigns.
https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1421194741685706753
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1421191364776108042.html
Leaked chat logs reveal how the former lead psychologist for Cambridge Analytica has been working behind the scenes with a notorious anti-vaccine group in the U.K.
The chat records, provided to the Daily Dot by the activist collective DDoSecrets, detail efforts by HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team), a self-described “group of highly qualified UK doctors, scientists, economists, psychologists and other academic experts,” to influence politicians on issues related to COVID-19.
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/leaked-chats-ex-cambridge-analytica-patrick-fagan-hart-group/
They never miss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_0zFEtPbiA
If the baby killer boot fits…
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https://twitter.com/JohnDanielMD/status/1420217996614766594
Can we infer from your post, that our failure to deal with the measles outbreak and the subsequent outbreak in Samoa make our Director general of Health and govt baby killers?
Because that was a disgrace.
Did our Director general of Health and govt actively undermine public health policy?
More a case of we didn't act appropriately for reasons unknown, especially given measles is highly infectious and the consequences are well known. But the result as we know was multiple deaths.
I flew to the States during the outbreak the terminal had multiple notices warning of a measles outbreak in New Zealand and if you are unvaccinated and feeling unwell to report to the nearest official immediately.
There was nothing about in Auckland international which was a massive fail.
Nothing to do with the failure to follow vaccine handling protocols and the Samoan governments failure to counter the country's abysmal vaccination rates, huh?
I'm still struggling to get my head around how a (presumably) trained nurse could do something so obviously disastrous as mixing (expired) muscle relaxant anaesthetic into the vaccine, rather than water.
I mean, sure the water was probably in a labelled bottle so might have been mistaken for a medication of some kind, needing to be sterile and all. If the water containers looked like medicine containers, that points to a systems failure with an obvious, easy, and cheap fix. Such as sterile water for dilutions is always in blue containers. But still …
The proprietor of my local beer shop sat down for lunch with Mrs and a guest and they all drank a caustic cleaning solution mistakenly served up as a cold drink. Mrs and the guest got a whiff and were hospitalised, badly burnt, but they survived. Poor old Bob had lost his sense of smell years ago and necked his. He never made it out of the back of the shop.
Apparently it had always been kept in the right place in an appropriate container, until the day it was transferred to a fizz bottle and ended up in the chiller…
If the baby killer boot fits ….
So in the light of your story above – do you have any evidence that anyone intentionally setting about killing Samoan babies?
Or as said below – is the blame game easier and more rewarding for you?
Thing is we knew about Samoa's vulnerability to measles and then sat on how hands.
The outbreak started here due tocour own low vaccination rates and was poorly managed leading to spread to Samoa.
Thats on NZ.
"Did our Director general of Health and govt actively undermine public health policy?"
Personally, I think the whole throwing blame around is massively counter productive to personal health policy.
If we're talking about building good systems, NZ did fail in some of its obligation to protect Samoa from our own measles outbreaks. If the same situation were to arise now, would closing the borders seem more acceptable?
If the same situation were to arise now, would closing the borders seem more acceptable?
Protecting the health of Samoa's people is much more the responsibility of Samoa's government than ours.
If the same situation were to arise today, I would expect the Samoan government to be much more active about trying to lift their vaccination rate back up and closing their borders to travelers coming from countries experiencing an outbreak. But personally, if somewhere I wanted to visit was willing to accept me, but our government prevented that because of a small disease outbreak in s small somewhat closed community within New Zealand, I would be absolutely outraged.
Just like in our current situation we have severely restricted movements across our inbound border – to protect our people. Nobody anywhere else in the world is trying to stop people leaving to travel to NZ to protect NZ from an outbreak. At least not that I know of.
The general belief is that we, individually and collectively, learn from past experiences to better predict consequences (outcomes and impacts). Taiwan was arguable better prepared than most because of past pandemics. NZ may have learned from the measles experiences.
Public health policy is more than just a bunch of direct ‘technocratic’ measures; it also includes research as well as education through communication and giving clear, consistent, and carefully explained guidelines and instructions. However, it never operates in isolation, least of all when things become heavily politicised and polarised.
I was thinking how as the outbreak in Samoa was starting it wasn’t even a consideration to close borders. Covid changed that. I don’t know if lessons learned from Samoa and measles included border closure options.
there’s a lot to unpack in that, but I think our polarisation on vaccines doesn’t serve us particularly well.
Polarised debate is an oxymoron, not even a euphemism for a shouting contest across a bottomless and unbridgeable divide. Our politicians are our role models and as soon as they show a sign of deviating from the unwritten book of public opinion, they are hauled over hot coals and condemned to eternal damnation by pundits/voters. Those same voters who pride themselves standing up for the underdog, natural justice, and all that other virtue shit.
For what it's worth this very recent WaPo article based on new CDC document is absolutely worth a read:
This article is something of a breakthrough in the msm – in that it starts to acknowledge what we've really been up against all along.
Dude's picked over the bones.
https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1420974027112292354
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1420974027112292354.html
AB have you listened to what Kris Faafoi said on the link I posted at the top of Open Mike? That seems to be exactly what he is saying. It might not mean five years in jail but it could.
I'll bet Faafoi refuse to do another interview on the subject. He's apparently to 'busy' to be interviewed on the hate speech legislation and thats one of the most contentious and complicated peices of legislation in recent times.
It really is a bad joke.
It does seem unfortunate, though not yet necessarily on the scale of the antismacking debacle. Much depends on whether the rule change is instantiated among people, rather than remaining an object of abstract political contention – which can be quite damaging enough.
The position of the courts in the Tavistock case seems to be that under sixteens are not likely to be able to give informed consent in respect of a treatment as contentious as puberty blocking. They at least are in no hurry to rush in where angels fear to tread. Not so whoever is boosting this policy evidently.
https://www.twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1421693369483350024
https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1421711410678042628?s=21
Still a bit of a gap to close, but if anyone can it's Seymour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_New_Zealand_general_election#Nationwide_polling
There's blood in the water…
One thing is always certain – NZ voters elect the governments they deserve.
Flag referendum anyone?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/319696/pm%27s-regret-that-flag-referendum
Our PM is covered by a "mat" in a ceremony of apology for the dawn-raids – covered by a mat!!
She's a phenomenon!
"The Green Party’s 11 seats would easily get it over the line into governing."
Stuff says.
Would those in our parliment care as much about vaccine passports? I'm not sure I can see anything other than the fresher MPs going with the flow, mores the pity.
https://twitter.com/GilbertCollard/status/1420802177698877440
At the last census 40,000 homes in Auckland were empty. That's tens of thousands of kids without proper housing.
Let that sink in before obsessing over niche politics like gender arguments.
Amateur landlordism is the real social disease.
Funny that you should say that. Apparently, most of those ghost houses in Auckland were just a bad dream.
Yep, the similar number was brandished during the Key years, and we had at the time an opposition party who said it was gonna fix it.
Maybe its not the amateur landlords that are the problem but the Red/Blue coin of NZ that refuses to regulate the housing ownership market.
Here an article from 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/05/bulging-at-the-seams-auckland-a-super-city-struggling-with-its-own-success
From 2016
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/rise-of-the-ghost-homes-more-than-33000-auckland-dwellings-officially-classified-empty/3JXSEQNUK36SBG7UBQMJ3VUPGU/
from 2015
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/-ghost-houses-hit-auckland-renting-market-6338478.html
I think one can conclude that this issue is now bi-partisan.
But then women having an issue that they are worried about and talk about is not a big deal, and really can't they just not understand what the real issues are right? Because we can only ever be concerned about one thing at a time.
A lot of current commentary at the Standard is centred around gender issues.
Perhaps that's because no-one cares about the rest. People are selfish. They do tend to promote their own concerns. People in warm, dry homes can afford to have other concerns.
My concern is housing. I think it's the most important issue out there.
Sue me.
yes, it is currently in the news thus people discuss it.
As for the homeless and unhouses, and those 23000+ on waiting lists surely the government is gonna do something once its got the hate bill done. Surely. Any effn day now. Cause they said so. Right? Anb besides who does not like a bill that risks criminalising parents for maybe refusing to jack their kids up with puperty blockers and undergo permantent surgery in the form of double masectomies at a young age. I mean they did campaign on that? Right?
Yeah, nah, they campaigned on fixing the housing market and keepin NZ safe. Right? Lol.
Pushing through reform is difficult stuff, no doubt. Some people agree with some reform and disagree with other reform.
Setting people up to be criminalized for not letting a child be on puperty blockers willy nilly, setting 'women' and 'lesbians' up for a criminal charge if they refuse to allow transwomen in to their own spaces or to see them as women (aka Gendercrime) is not 'reform', its bullshit, and it is wrong.
And again, I am so very happy to not have voted for this lot, and i will be even happier next time when i will again not vote for them.
Every day again, these people remind me that it was the correct thing to do.
You've said who you are not voting for, repeatedly. But not who you are voting for.
Hope it's not Seymour…
it will be as always the least offensive choice, as that is pretty much all that is there to vote for. Offensive and not so offensive.
The least ‘offensive’ (honestly?) would be not to vote at all and ‘virtue-signal’ that as loud and often as possible on The Standard.
Hate speech, gender identity, flags, pandas, housing
odd one out?
The chair of Australia's only listed water trader boasts about the flaws in the market and the profits to be made when the next drought hits…but three waters bad.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/going-nuts-murray-darlings-unbelievably-beautiful-story-for-investors-a-nightmare-for-farmers-environment/