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Open mike 01/03/2013

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  1. Gee who would have guessed this? The CTU have released emails confirming that Warners sat on drafting the press release announcing the lifting of the Hobbit don’t sign advice. Warners agreed in an email the dispute was over but did not release the agreed press release.

    New Zealand you have been had.

    Epping Road, Gosman et al care to apologise?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/129382/warner-bros-emails-reveal-deal-announcement-delay

    • geoff 1.1

      Epping Road, Gosman et al care to apologise?

      I like your optimism micky.

    • Chris 1.2

      Why have these emails only been released now? Surely this whole thing could have been avoided if they had released this email at the time?

      • McFlock 1.2.1

        At the time?
        What, you mean while they were negotiating in good faith?
        With people who wanted the emails kept secret even after the OIA request?

        • Chris 1.2.1.1

          I understand that – but when they went public saying that the union did this and that I would’ve thought that the good faith was destroyed particularly given these emails they had already received.

          If it had been me as soon as they tried to blame me for potentially losing the hobbit and effectively turned public opinion against me I would’ve released that email. What did they have to lose at that point – releasing emails that are sent to you has nothing to do with OIA requests etc.

          Colonial Viper – I agree with you I just don’t see why the union also effectively covered it up by not releasing anything till now. I feel like I am missing something that was stopping them.

          • McFlock 1.2.1.1.1

            Wel, if you had released the email jacko would have dragged out the issue much longer, and so much mud would have been flung around that he still would have had dropkicks protesting for him.

            Unions want workers to work too, remember?

            But now the govt side has been released, the unions releasing their own side of it demonstrates nicely who was telling the truth at the time, and the movie’s been made. Middle-case result for the actual hobbit workers, but puts workers in a better position for next time.

            Between wacko jacko and POAL’s dodgy math, employer credibility is scraping the bottom.

            • Chris 1.2.1.1.1.1

              But this email from the union demonstrates immediately that they were telling the truth the whole time. They could drag the issue out as long as they want but at the end of the day I think it has been suitably shown noone working would have been affected by the whole thing (thats the whole point no?).

              How would releasing this email showing the union was not taking action against the film have stopped people working?

              At the end of the day just because you agree with the union cause doesnt mean they did everything right, I think its pretty obvious both parties screwed this up and to be honest its looking more like the union screwed up more.

              They had a position where the other party was obviously lying and they did nothing about it. Good work? Yes Peter Jackson et al lied but they did so to achieve the ends they wanted which they got (not saying this is good but from their point of view was great) – the union came across as anti-everything yet apparently they were sitting on something that showed the other party was full of shit and did nothing. What the fuck?

              • McFlock

                At the end of the day just because you agree with the union cause doesnt mean they did everything right, I think its pretty obvious both parties screwed this up and to be honest its looking more like the union screwed up more.

                lol
                Funny thing about negotiations. Calling someone a liar while they’re still going on isn’t always productive. Given the description of Jackson in the emails from both sides, if the union had released these emails at the time and showed him to be a liar there might well have been a real risk that he’d up stakes out of general fuckwittedness.

      • Colonial Viper 1.2.2

        This whole thing could have been avoided if Jackson, Key and Brownlee had acknowledged the truth, instead of covering it up.

    • Good on you Greg!

      You have struck a nerve on Kiwiblog with your post on this issue!

      WELL DONE!

      Cheers!

      Penny Bright 🙂

  2. uke 2

    Congratulations to Dame Anne Salmond: New Zealander of the Year.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8366898/Dame-Anne-wins-NZer-of-the-Year

    A good choice.

  3. AsleepWhileWalking 3

    Noooo!

    IRD considering taxing personal use of employee laptops etc. Time to get tech smart and find a loophole here folks.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10868425

    • AsleepWhileWalking 3.1

      And clearly the IRD hasn’t thought about the environmental impact => can’t use work laptop at home, have to buy one for myself = more ewaste = Fstupid.

      Quote from above article: But Mr Peterson said the additional tax would cause some employers to think twice about allowing personal use of the devices.

      “They’ll say you can’t take it home, it’s just too much trouble.”

      Mr Peterson also said the suggested tax would be an administrative nightmare and “there will be all sorts of fiddling around with people trying to avoid it”.”

      • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1

        And clearly the IRD hasn’t thought about the environmental impact => can’t use work laptop at home, have to buy one for myself = more ewaste = Fstupid.

        But they’d have a higher tax revenue from all the extra sales!!111

        /sarc

      • AsleepWhileWalking 3.1.2

        Oh, and way to encourage the use of technology.

      • Colonial Viper 3.1.3

        Laptops must be where all that multi-billion dollar tax evasion and income hiding is happening.

  4. gobsmacked 4

    Last night Peter Dunne announced a bold new immigration policy, on Twitter …

    When quizzed further, he fell silent. I guess he hadn’t thought it through.

    (context: TV3 coverage of housing affordability in Auckland last night. The coverage WAS racist – memo to TV3, “looking Asian” and “absentee landlord” are not synonyms – but a discussion about spiralling house prices is not).

    • gobsmacked 4.1

      It gets better …

      You’d think this was a parody Twitter account. It’s not.

    • vto 4.2

      Peter Dunne is a lying distorting bastard too. Example… “they don’t like foreigners owning property but say it is nothing to do with race”

      That’s right Dunne. What don’t you get about what “foreigner” means and what “race” means?

      You are either thick or deceptive and slimey.

    • Colonial Weka 4.3

      Where have the Greens made a statement about Asians and immigration?

  5. johnm 5

    The artist taxi driver on the outrageous bank corruption in the U$K , the same ones bailed out by the public who are having austerity imposed on them.

    RBS Scandal of Banking thieves criminals and govt embezzlement
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPo_cB0cdDU&list=UUGThM-ZZBba1Zl9rU-XeR-A&index=2

    Scandal-hit RBS pays out ÂŁ600m in bonuses
    Asked why RBS can afford to pay bonuses to its staff but not what the public spent in bailing it out, Sir Philip described the bonus situation as “toxic for everybody”.

    RBS fined ÂŁ390m for ‘widespread misconduct’ in Libor-rigging scandal
    Royal Bank of Scotland bankers continued to rig Libor rate until November 2010 – two years after it was bailed out by taxpayer

    RBS fined ÂŁ390m for ‘widespread misconduct’ in Libor-rigging scandal

    Royal Bank of Scotland bankers continued to rig Libor rate until November 2010 – two years after it was bailed out by taxpayer

    Jill Treanor, City editor
    The Guardian, Wednesday 6 February 2013 20.27 GMT

    Royal Bank of Scotland was handed a ÂŁ390m fine on Wednesday for “widespread misconduct” in rigging the Libor rate until as recently as November 2010, two years after it was bailed out by the taxpayer and even after regulators had begun to investigate the key benchmark rate.

    Regulators found that corrupt payments of more than ÂŁ100,000 were made to those involved and that the bailed-out bank had “abetted” Swiss bank UBS – fined ÂŁ940m – in manipulating the rate used to set prices on ÂŁ300tn of financial contracts around the world, from ordinary household mortgages to business loans.

    “This is another day of shame for Britain’s banks,” Greg Clark, the financial secretary to the Treasury, told MPs.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/06/rbs-fined-libor-rigging-scandal
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/business-news/scandal-hit-rbs-pays-out-600m-in-bonuses-1-5454195

  6. yeshe 6

    Dear Jonkey et al .. if you think the environment doesn’t really matter, try holding your breath while counting your money …

    This is a frightener ….

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/14/1594211/death-spiral-bombshell-cryosat-2-confirms-arctic-sea-ice-volume-has-collapsed/?mobile=nc

  7. shaz 7

    Our government commissions a report on economic development and city competitiveness – the report shows that Auckland’s planning approach is broadly right – brownfield developments, rail and public transport etc.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2547838/competitiveness-expect-backs-auckland-council-plans.asx

    However our Government fails to ensure that the report has an evidence base according to Minister Joyce whose Ministry commissioned the report and he then slates the report for having this. He cannot say :
    a) how much the report cost
    b) why his officials were allowed to commission a report so poorly scoped and lacking supporting research that he as Minister could discount it before publication.

    despite being invited onto Radio NZ to talk about the research his Ministry commissioned.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2547839/steven-joyce-critical-of-report-on-nz-competitiveness.asx

  8. Socialist Paddy 8

    Chris Trotter on the events of the 2011 Labour Conference and what has happened since.

    The winners and the losers of the reshuffle depended on how loyal they were to David Shearer.

    Pretty scary stuff.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/opinion/8367976/Dishing-out-rewards-to-hungry-enforcers

    • karol 8.1

      Interesting. Thanks for the link, SP.

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1

        Lucky no-one is prepared to vate for them. They are unfit to run a country.

    • Skinny 8.2

      Great post Paddy which has me thinking I don’t know why David Cunliffe doesn’t push on and form a new left wing party. He has been treated very poorly indeed & I really think there is room, with a good following that would ensue, including current Labour MP’s. Take Nanaia Mahuta she would win her Waikato seat hands down as would a number of others like Dalziel,   however I also believe a new left party would easily pass the 5 % threshold with a possible 9 to 10 MPs all up. I just don’t like the current direction, when you have 
      a former General Secretary bailing after a relatively short stint you have to think all is not ‘left.’ within the current Labour Party line up. And arguably policies that have come out are far too right/centralistic in my view. 
      Crunch the numbers & make a move DC, the sooner the better. 

      • The Al1en 8.2.1

        “Great post Paddy which has me thinking I don’t know why David Cunliffe doesn’t push on and form a new left wing party.”

        He told me he won’t. I think it’s because he’s committed to the party, or something like that.

        • Skinny 8.2.1.1

          Thanks The Allen very loyal of him all things considered.

          • The Al1en 8.2.1.1.1

            I always work on if you don’t ask you don’t get.
            Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose.
            This time we all lose.

            • Colonial Viper 8.2.1.1.1.1

              My friend. Getting the response “No” to your question is some marvellous progress.

              • The Al1en

                Of course I couldn’t and wouldn’t quote from a private email, but he’s a nice bloke.
                I do believe, at the end, he’ll be the one that got away from us all.
                Though I did say it was going to get messy and soon, so maybe too soon for epitaphs.

                Who really knows?

  9. Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 9

    Dear Chris Trotter reminds us of that black day in Labour History. His deccription of that angry boy Chris Hipkins is so correct. I’ve a vivid recollection of his distorted hate filled face a screaming into the mike. The wretched have taken control. Shame too on Darien Fenton. She has a black name in the annals if the NZLP.
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2013/03/running-dogs.html?m=1

    “The Pack are well rewarded. Ms Fenton and Ms Curran both rise two places in the pecking order, while Mr Twyford goes up three to take a seat on the front bench. Megan Woods enters the top twenty – a back-bencher no longer. Andrew Little rises with her. Mr Shearer’s chief swordsman, Chris Hipkins, climbs five places to claim the shadow portfolio of Education from Mr Cunliffe’s running-mate, Nanaia Mahuta.”

    As my dear mum said, don’t waste time with bad people, fight fire with fire.

  10. Rogue Trooper 10

    RNZ-Council for Educational Research-“secondary schools have deteriorated over the last three years.”

    Diabetes-7% per capita, 19% showing early signs; Cheque anybody?

    yes, the Hong Kong commissioned study STRONGLY SUGGESTS, tax reductions and rapid inter-city rail; overall marks for poor competitiveness like the 100’s of cops off the front-line of poor fitness. Yep!, but that’s ok, the US are going to “directly fund the Syrian opposition.”

    so lets enjoy a SNickers Jah,
    I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings until she was Unchained from the squared circle of Le Mans disasterous latitudes. Her father projected that the eastern provinces could be reorganized, the lion placated; The Argo saga naught but another fleecing; “it’s the end of the Middle Earth as we know it.”
    More foot-in-mouth due to poor preparation. The heel of Pegasus was as quenching as Na Drini Cuprija; At a Hungry meeting 63% wish to ban foreign property buyers (above 30.9C no increase in pressure is going to liquify CO2 of Gauss) Still, try telling anechoic chamber that Tiberius freed both slave and lion. Gnaeus either / found an Island or an Ogygian deluge.(what else are you gonna do when it’s hot outside, little shade and freakin sport’s on the box)

  11. DH 11

    Steven Joyce has been pushing the foreign investment angle again, seems to have a fixation on it….

    “We must welcome more foreign investment – Joyce”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10868108

    As of March 2012 NZ had $304 billion of foreign investment already. Joyce wants to take that up to $500billion yet no-one can even demonstrate that we’ve benefited from the existing investment.

    In the 2011/2012 year NZ exported $62billion and imported $60billion, our terms of trade were good. It’s the investment positon which caused our last current account deficit of $9billion, NZ sent $16billion offshore in dividends to those foreign investors and collected only $5.4billion from offshore investments.

    If we take in another $200billion like Joyce wants we can extrapolate that to an extra $10billion in dividends, sending $26billion offshore. It’s real headbanger stuff.

    • Rogue Trooper 11.1

      Motorhead-“Ace of Spades” (not Whisky In The Jar)

      • DH 11.1.1

        Heh, yep that’s a headbanger…

        But seriously, I think there needs to be more examination of orthodox economics on the left. Our international trade is all foreign exchange related. In simple terms NZ sold $76billion worth of $NZD and bought back only $68billion. We can’t carry a $9billion differential in our foreign currency dealing, the $NZD would crash bigtime. So we take in more overseas investment in order to buy back all the $NZD we sold.

        IMO all the talk about intervening in the forex market to bring down the $NZD is completely on the wrong track, because we’re already intervening to keep the $NZD up. If we want to get the $NZD down we’d be better off looking at cutting back on the foreign investment and/or overseas borrowing instead of trying to play the forex markets.

        • Rogue Trooper 11.1.1.1

          Hold your breath and one turns blue. (appreciate your analysis, like Poission)

  12. How appropriate/ proper/ LAWFUL is it for Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay to investigate himself, when it is HIS actions which are the subject of the complaint???

    DUH?

    ANTI-CORRUPTION ‘WHISTLE-BLOWERS’ EXPOSE HOW AUCKLAND COUNCIL CEO DOUG MCKAY HAS AUTHORISED THE ‘BLOCKING’ OF EMAILS TO ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR AUTHORITY

    Gary Osbourne http://www.allaboutauckland.com/video/1907/accusations-of-corruption-within-councils
    Grace Haden http://www.allaboutauckland.com/video/1907/accusations-of-corruption-within-councils/1
    Penny Bright http://www.allaboutauckland.com/video/1907/accusations-of-corruption-within-councils/2

    Also – what Bernard Orsman wrote about it in today’s NZ Herald:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10868429

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.
    2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate.

    (For more background information exposing the, in my considered opinion, dodgy role of the CEO of Auckland Council, and the General Counsel for Auckland Council – see the following ten new ‘Items fo Evidence’ which I was allowed to ‘adduce’ in the Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal (in which I defended myself as a ‘Named Respiondent’).

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/OCCUPY-AUCKLAND-APPEAL-APPLICATION-BY-APPELLANT-BRIGHT-TO-ADDUCE-NEW-EVIDENCE-pdf.pdf

  13. Colonial Viper 13

    Duncan Garner just played Chauvel’s speech on radio. Said it was a slap in the face for half the Labour caucus.

    • Skinny 13.1

      Can not say I blame him as he gave up a very successful legal career for what? I had dinner with him once it was a great night out and we were all buoyant with Labour’s future, a different era to now!

  14. muzza 14

    Seems Aucklanders is going to get the same treatment as ChCh/Dunedin when it comes to bailing out the rugby heads.

    *Council votes to accept Eden Park ‘gift’ *

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/auckland-city-council/news/article.cfm?o_id=13&objectid=10865550

    Anyone like to open a book on the liklihood of a positive outcome!

  15. Rogue Trooper 15

    just to reiterate,
    19% (1 in 5) New Zealanders has Glucose Metabolism Disorder (precursor)
    215000 people live with diabetes which is to double in the next couple of decades; sticky mess.
    Campbell- “Third most obese nation in the world.”

    Family Court changes
    -“domestic violence will increase” -a Real Judge, Murfitt, speaks across the bench.
    (HB already ranks #1for Wrath in a national survey by police into provinces Seven Deadly Sins; Lust and Envy not far behind; Greed, not as Bad here…)

    the freakin MSM; gold prices dropping, with a tailing that “the Central Banks of Russia and China” have sluiced ” Enormous purchases of Gold.” ya don’t say, where you been the last couple of years?
    Moria?

    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      Get rid of all sources of added sugar and fructose from the diet. That generally sorts things real quick. (Typing as I sip my JD & coke…)

      • Rogue Trooper 15.1.1

        “Big Fat Lies” 🙂
        by the age of 20 was onto Jim’s Black, and back then there was also Jim’s Rye; Absolutely Fabulous in Wainuiomata, strangely enough (some Diesel Progress), yet you probably already ran that up on the Test Bench. (just quaffed a non-diet Sprite; gonna burn now)

      • xtasy 15.1.2

        Colonial Viper:

        Haha: I read that Japanese women believe in the power of beer, naturally brewed and without additives that is (“Reinheitsgebot”), they even bathe in it, as it keeps their skin smooth and young. No need for sugar there, aye.

  16. geoff 16

    It’s getting interesting on Chris Trotter’s blog.
    Here’s a response to his latest post:
    Felix Marwick said…

    “Even from the Media Table, the animosity directed towards caucus members who spoke in favour of the rank-and-file’s resolutions (the most effective of whom, by far, was Lianne Dalziel) was unmistakeable.”

    Really Chris?

    I recall us being surprised (and for news purposes) quite happy that MPs and delegates were expressing the views that they were. Generally we’ve been excluded from such debates in the past.

    I certainly don’t remember any of my colleagues expressing animosity at those that were critical of the hierarchy.

    I do, however, recall you going and high fiving with delegates when the 40% caucus vote remit was passed. I also recall you telling a political editor to “get f**ked” when they joked that perhaps the remit should have had support of 60% of the conference.

    And I do wonder how it’s consistent that the Shearer camp, which had been derided at the time by its critics inept and incompetent, suddenly became Machiavellian enough to co-opt the entire press gallery to their cause?

    For the record; I do not give a flying bollock as to who leads the Labour Party. I, unlike you, am not a player in that game.

    Felix Marwick
    Chief Political Reporter
    Newstalk ZB

    • xtasy 16.1

      “Felix” is latin for the “happy one” or “lucky one”, I suppose, and the surname sounds like “Marmite” to me. Combining the two gives me a messy impression, of perhaps a brownish smeared face after attempted eating, reminding me of guess who, Adolphus H., ruling 1933 to 1945.

      NZ media are to me mostly gutter media, that is most, not all, and 1ZB qualifies for “gutter”, hence not to be taken seriously.

      • McFlock 16.1.1

        Your first paragraph dramatically lowers any value your second might have had,

        • Colonial Viper 16.1.1.1

          Interesting. If Marwick is “not a player in the game” why is he injecting himself on to the playing field now?

          If Trotter’s recollections of Conference did not match his, it would have been a simple matter of stating his own experience for the record.

          I wonder, did NewstalkZB also run with the story that a Cunliffe takeover bid had been imminent at Conference?

          If so…how did Marwick reach that conclusion?

          • McFlock 16.1.1.1.1

            Actually, I was merely suggesting that saying any particular journo is reminiscent of AH lowers the credibility of other statements.

            As to Marwick, it seems to me that he was already doing what you suggested: commenting on the bits that he personally was acquainted with. The clue is in the use of phrases like “I recall us being surprised”… and “I certainly don’t remember “… and “I do, however, recall you going”… and “I also recall you telling”…

            Without simply repasting what has already been posted, Marwick seems to be suggesting that Trotter’s claim of animosity from the media table was possibly skewed by Trotter’s own animosity towards the media table.

  17. xtasy 18

    Chris Trotter exposes more about the scheming and back-stabbing at the last Labour Conference in November last year.

    “Running Dogs” is the title of his blog post today:

    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/running-dogs.html

    Now if this does not open the eyes of more now, I do not know what will!

    It shows that Labour MPs have in large numbers totally lost their ways, and they had their knives out, disliking “democracy” from the party members. They were “working” on members and colleagues, so no wonder we got the Cunliffe “hanging” and demotion after all that. It is disgusting from my point of view.

    I trust that someone of the TS team or moderating collective may feel up to write a post on it. I am too worn out for now, so have a read and reflect perhaps.

  18. Rogue Trooper 19

    ‘Despite the high dollar…”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10868511
    “women are not doing enough housework” (please don’t shoot the messenger Queenie, just the piano player’s been thinking…)
    Suffer the little children and at least let them pee
    http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/transgender-girl-s-parents-sue-for-her-right-to-use-the-bathroom-201415013.html
    cutting through the waves
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/international-politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503226&objectid=10868418

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