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Open Mike 03/08/2018

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  1. Ed 1

    Another day, another news story in the mainstream media about extreme weather…without mentioning climate change.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/363244/nzers-to-help-battle-california-wildfires-the-conditions-are-going-to-be-really-extreme

    The editors at NZME, RNZ and Stuff are guilty of complicity in this big lie.

    “Global heatwave is symptom of early stage cycle of civilisational collapse
    Welcome to a 1C planet: the precursor of an 8C catastrophe in 82 years if we keep burning up fossil fuels like there’s no tomorrow.”

    The extreme weather events of the summer of 2018 are not just symptoms of climate breakdown. They are early stage warnings of a protracted process of civilisational collapse as industrial societies face some of the opening symptoms of having already breached the limits of a safe climate. These events are a taste of things to come on a business-as-usual trajectory. They elicit a sense of how industrial civilisational systems are vulnerable to collapse due to escalating climate impacts. And they highlight the urgent necessity of communities everywhere undertaking steps to achieve a systemic civilisational transition toward post-capitalist systems which can survive and prosper after fossil fuels.

    …….The reality which we are not being told is this: these are the grave consequences of inhabiting a planet where global average temperatures are roughly 1C higher than the pre-industrial norm.

    Sadly, instead of confronting this fundamentally existential threat to the human species — one which in its fatal potential implications point to the bankruptcy of the prevailing paradigms of social, political and economic organisation (along with the ideology and value-systems associated with them) — the preoccupation of the Global Media-Industrial Complex is at worst to focus human mind and behaviour on consumerist trivialities.

    At best, its focus is to pull us into useless, polarising left-right dichotomies and forms of impotent outrage that tend to distract us from taking transformative systemic action, internally (within and through our own selves, behaviours psychologies, beliefs, values, consciousness and spirit) and externally (in our relationships as well as our structural-institutional and socio-cultural contexts).

    Read more here…..

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/global-heatwave-is-symptom-of-early-stage-cycle-of-civilisational-collapse-efef3c1dd7eb

    • corodale 1.1

      >yeah, its not that folk dont believe in CC,
      > nah, its just that no-one trusts scientists or the govt,
      >yeah and we would rather die of bad weather than live under a UN totalitarian agenda 21.
      >yeah, and I wander if their pcs report us for talking like this?

      • crashcart 1.1.1

        Interesting stance you have there. You would rather fuck the planet up for future generations than have to deal with regulations that might cause you some inconvenience or maybe cost you a little bit more money.

        Are you even a little self conscious about how selfish that makes you?

        • corodale 1.1.1.1

          Firstly, you haven’t got a plan for fixing the planet.
          Who will UN end armes manuracture and background security net?
          Yeah don’t have to answer that question, but you can’t me me expect to believe that Hellen C’s A21 is anything other than Southeryland or whtt th f..

          In politics yuo got jewish media printing… at waht point does politics…
          https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/362574/the-green-party-needs-to-speak-up

          Nah seriously…
          They are trying to pressure the greens into bullshit over nothing. If you think the greens can implement anything, given the political constructs with security trumping social credit etc…

          The Greens need to lay low a term and learn the ropes. Winnie created the show, leave him to it. It’s all reagional shit, and the greens can’t do their dream till Winnie has the cornerstones in place.

          Really articles like those from RNZ are extra pressure for nothing. The lady has done her fair share.

    • sumsuch 1.2

      Everything you say is pertinent and true. But difficult to chew through.

  2. Ad 2

    Pro-Trump Repubican ad with a sense of humor?
    You betcha:

  3. esoteric pineapples 3

    It just keeps getting worse and worse. Staff at ICE detention centres have been pumping children up with stupifying drugs on a daily basis to control them.

      • AsleepWhileWalking 3.1.1

        I hear that instead of being reunited with their families many of these kids are headed for the US foster system, rife with sexual abuse.

        God what a mess.

        • SaveNZ 3.1.1.1

          Apparently the US did not even have any system to track the kids. Seriously not even an arm band or clear way to identify the child’s identity so they can be reunited with parents or tracked through whatever ‘stolen baby’ system they are currently enacting.

          • McFlock 3.1.1.1.1

            That to me is the most worrying aspect – if for some weird reason parents and children need to be separated, anyone who thinks of them as people would have sorted out contact and reunification as a natural part of arranging the separation. But (at best, and the worst doesn’t bear thinking about) this never occurred to the people demanding or implementing the system. They didn’t view migrants as people. Farmers put more care into keeping ewes and lambs together than the t.rump regime put into keeping families together. It’s fucking sick.

            Oh, and apparently HHS funded the “care” for the children by taking funds from a program that provides healthcare to poor people with
            AIDS.

            It’s all so fucking criminal. And then the ICE guy saying his staff shouldn’t be criticised because they’re only “enforcing the law” (aka “obeying orders”).

            Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

    • One Two 3.2

      Unfortunately it has been going on for decades…

      CPS

  4. marty mars 4

    Andrew little has had a free ride since his failure as labour leader a year ago. He is treaty minister and he has fucked up big time. Just heard on radio nz but can’t find link online yet. You know fuck all about tikanga little so stfu.

  5. Puckish Rogue 5

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12100136

    “You shouldn’t have been on bail,” the judge conceded. “It was against my better judgment and I have to take responsibility.”

    So what does that mean exactly, is he going to resign, is he going to seek further training (if its possible)

    Yeah right, meaningless waffle

  6. adam 6

    I see some in the media gave Winston a pass mark.

    https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/winston-peters-time-as-prime-minister/

    Begs the question, why are the hard right commentators so upset, they got a `tame’ government committed to hard right economics.

  7. Chris 7

    Surely the answer to the water problem is to say that nobody owns it, which should then translate to nobody can sell it. Key used to refer to the first part but then use that to justify unregulated sale of water overseas. The logical extension of no ownership is nobody can sell it, which then protects the resource in New Zealand for future generations. We’re already seeing huge deterioration in our drinking water supplies. Surely it’s a no-brainer that we take this approach instead of arguing about overseas buyers “paying a fair price” etc. We need to keep NZ’s water here, full stop. Doing this solves a multitude of problems.

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2018/08/another-bullshit-idea.html

    • McFlock 7.1

      So if nobody sells it, what’s to stop them selling bottles that happen to be filled with an uncompressable liquid in order to preserve structural integrity?

      And if nobody owns it, you’d still need someone to stop upstream farmers emptying the rivers, or filling them with shit.

      • Chris 7.1.1

        So you support selling it, then. Great.

        • McFlock 7.1.1.1

          Try really hard not to be an idiot, yeah?

          My point was simply saying that if you say nobody can own water to stop people selling it, people will simply sell it by another name. I know of one person who does the container trick with homebrew spirits. Someone else sells it as cleaning fluid.

          Lack of ownership doesn”t stop anyone selling a damned thing. Regulations on extraction and pollution do, though. So rather than coming up with some bullshit legal fiction, actually putting teeth on legal facts would achieve the desired result a hell of a lot more simply.

          • Chris 7.1.1.1.1

            You really are a supercilious fuckwit. I thought it would’ve been obvious from my original comment that I’m talking about banning the sale of water overseas instead of selling it “for a fair price”. But no, not to you. Am looking forward to seeing the consistency of the shit that’ll be oozing from your mouth next.

            • McFlock 7.1.1.1.1.1

              Oh, like we ban the sale of unfinished swamp kauri? How is that working out?
              Gosh, must have been the answer to the prayers of everyone in the NZ furniture industry, that. No ways around it at all.

              How about we look at water quality and levels, and really understand how much can be sustainably taken while preserving waterway health? What does it matter whether the rivers are fucked because of overseas demand or local demand – they’re just as fucked.

  8. adam 8

    Laugh, but only when your told to.

  9. corodale 10

    Imaging if Princess D was still walking the earth.

  10. eco maori 11

    Good video Adam that’s the path the national government was taking US down.
    Back to my story We made the mess to OUR environment and all her beautiful creater’s are suffering because of greed.
    We have to help these beautiful creater’s of Tangaroa all creates I have a strong connection to Tangaroa creater’s so I say do anything It takes to save these creaters
    Tangata owe it to Papatuanuku we take so much from her and give very little back.
    Ka kite ano link below.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12101017

  11. eco maori 12

    The reason why Eco Maori did not reveal my self prediction on the lauren stefan hate raciest speech is I did not want affect the out come of the whole debacle in a negative way hence it went the way that’s was good for Aotearoa ka pai Ka kite ano

  12. eco maori 13

    This song is to our tipuna and all the kiwis who made a stand for our multi cultured
    Society.
    All the best Stan Walker Eco Maori toutoko’s you on your journey of promoting and donations to the cancer testing discovery
    University of Otago Translational Cancer Research (Te Aho Matatu), headed up by Professor Parry Guilford. and for promoting OUR Great tangata whenua culture Kia Kaha.
    ka kite ano

  13. eco maori 17

    Good evening Newshub that road that is made using recycled glass plastic bags that’s looking outside the square box to help solve our waste problems that’s what happens when you invest in educating te mokopuna’s Ka pai Australia.
    The internet turned the Papatuanuku on its head it has changed the game and given more mana to te tangata Apple stock price one trillion who would have picked that 30 years ago.
    Its going to be a good game of Rugby In Christchurch to night
    Ka kite ano P,S that’s the way political party’s playing Rugby on the same side It would be good if they could work together to come up with laws that gives everyone a positive future

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