Open Mike 03/10/2016

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1. AsleepWhileWalking 1

   3 October 2016 at 7:37 am

   The price of housing is such that even with a full time job many still need to seek out social housing, including those working with mental health patients, beneficiaries and prisoners.

   Must be really depressing having to live in close proximity to those you are assisting. Not to mention creepy.
2. Takere 2

   3 October 2016 at 9:29 am

   PinoKeyo-Keys’ NACTMP&Dunne Governments 2017 top priority is … “its much easier to make NZ Predator Free by 2050 than it is to solve Child Poverty, its too complicated so its not a priority!” WTF! Nekminit, you’ve misinterpreted what I said??
3. Anne 3

   3 October 2016 at 9:46 am

   According to John Key: it’s easier to count rodents than kids in poverty.

   Who cares if there’s 80,000, 100,000, 200,000 kids in poverty. Just get off your effing backsides and do something about it!

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news
   • Robert Glennie 3.1

     3 October 2016 at 6:54 pm

     They won’t.

     So that National’s “brighter future” will not be undermined, it is best to have children poor and stupid because of their basic needs being denied. A socially healthy, educated bunch will ask questions that National will not want to answer and do things such as what everyone who comments on here has hopefully done by now, and that is vote.

     National have never cared seriously.

     But I don’t have much time for Labour and the Greens when they want another inquiry, despite all the white papers, and what not that have been done. How about doing something completely (un)original and actually implementing the best recommendations that have come out?
4. halfcrown 4

   3 October 2016 at 10:53 am

   https://www.facebook.com/NZpropertyResidentsONLY/photos/a.331131497070840.1073741829.312700245580632/561798790670775/?type=3&theater

   Would any of our regular posters from the right care to comment Srylands, James BM anybody.
   • Sabine 4.1

     3 October 2016 at 11:19 am

     all that money wasted.

     sad, really. Imagine, if Ms. Bennett would have had to raise her child and herself under her “ministry of social developpment’ we would most likely not have to put up with her and her state benefit covered arse.

     As for Mr. Key, imagine he would have to have to pay for his studies.

     Alas, once there were better times and governments worked for the people even if they are nothing but two very mean, petty ugly human beings who would rob their own mother and sell nanna for a profit.

     btw. one of the very first axed benefits under these two benefit bludgers was the widowers benefit. The very same benefit that kept John Key in a warm house with three meals a day when his Father died. He would sell his mother if he could.
   • James 4.2

     3 October 2016 at 11:54 am

     Sure. I agree that there should be a cost for universitie education and I 100% believe that it should be paid back.

     I think that the system is better now than it was then.
     • reason 4.2.1

       3 October 2016 at 7:42 pm

       Tax havens and the economic apartheid are one of the reasons we have student loans/debt …….. same with voluntary school fee’s

       Tax havens —— where the rich get to steal from students and others ….

       Tax haven john our very own GFC bail out boy got his education for free …. ………………….
   • Red 4.3

     3 October 2016 at 4:58 pm

     Got to move with the times half crown, can’t live in a time warp, things change? Ie like how many people went to higher education in jk day, how much more difficult was it to access as such re academic results, what worked then does not mean it can work now I got through Uni paying my own way without parent support, it’s not impossible, especially if you adopt the concept I am not going to sit around for 5 years doing nothing but study for a qualification that does not have a high degree of return, push it out and work as you go, close gap byewen experience and knowledge in parallel and at the same time minimising debt ( a win win)
     • halfcrown 4.3.1

       5 October 2016 at 8:27 am

       What the hell are you on about? What’s the crap about time warps, and tell me why if those two arsoles got assistance why can’t the same “hand ups” be given today? Oh, I forgot in these modern times, handouts are only for the likes of Warner’s.

       “I got through Uni paying my own way without parent support,”
       Bully for you what do you want a medal or something, We have ALL paid for our own education, but consider this. Probably the conditions that were in place enabled us ie you and me to study further and afford our tuition, Some today cannot afford the rent and at times good food let alone have surplus money for studying.
       The point which you missed is this, Bennet along with the fucking spiv had more than a hand up that helped with their careers, and suddenly have a great loss of memory when applied to others. Don’t patronise me with shit about living in time warps. we are a rich country compared to others and if we are going to survive as an egalitarian society, we will have to give hand ups to others who need it like it was done in the past. If that is a so-called time warp so be it, better than the time travel some want, taking us back to the Victorian times or further still to somewhere like feudal Britain.
       NOTE. I said hand ups not hand outs as given to the likes of Warners. Just one of many.
   • Chuck 4.4

     3 October 2016 at 5:50 pm

     Pointless trying to compare decades apart halfcrown.

     What matters is that NZ still offers the opportunity for anyone that has the drive and ability to become whatever they desire (qualification wise).

     Interesting observation is the Sabine comment (4.1)…”under these two benefit bludgers”
     • halfcrown 4.4.1

       5 October 2016 at 8:29 am

       “Pointless trying to compare decades apart halfcrown.”

       Why is that ? Do tell, the country is now richer, well according to the fucking spiv it is, rock star or something, so why then Bennet and Key were beneficiaries under that system and that system is no longer available for others today.

       “What matters is that NZ still offers the opportunity for anyone that has the drive and ability to become whatever they desire (qualification wise).”

       That is total bullshit as well mate try and tell that to someone who is on the minimum wage or better still one of the unfortunates seen on Queen Street. Even if they had the inspiration to drag themselves up to get further education to achieve a qualification, how are they going to pay for the study or attend night school ? Night School, no longer there after Tolley in her wisdon cut down on night school, and created a situation where the tuition fees are well beyond the income of some.
       • Chuck 4.4.1.1

         5 October 2016 at 10:37 am

         Trying to compare decades apart is pointless, in almost every aspect that one can think of, the World has changed.

         “That is total bullshit as well mate try and tell that to someone who is on the minimum wage or better still one of the unfortunates seen on Queen Street.”

         My son and a lot of his friends are working part time (on or slightly above minimum wage) while studying for various qualifications. If they can do it, most others can as well (if someone have the drive).

         As for night class / weekend class for people already working full time, I do understand the course fees can be covered via study link loan, or via scholarships.

         http://www.unitec.ac.nz/career-and-study-options/short-courses
5. Ad 5

   3 October 2016 at 11:14 am

   India confirms ratification of Paris 21:

   India agreed to ratify the Paris climate accord that will require the world’s fastest-growing economy to limit emissions and pave the way for implementation of the biggest step ever to combat global warming.

   The deal will be formally ratified on Sunday, Environment Minister Anil Dave told reporters in New Delhi. Under the accord, India will reduce the intensity of fossil-fuel emissions, a measure of pollution released per unit of economic growth, by 33 percent to 35 percent from 2005 levels by 2030.

   Still waiting, Mr Key.
   • Colonial Viper 5.1

     3 October 2016 at 2:47 pm

     Reduce the intensity of GHG emissions per unit of economic growth?

     Why even fucking bother.
   • Red 5.2

     3 October 2016 at 4:44 pm

     Jk response

     So India will grow at say 10pc per year but her emissions will only grow now non linear at 9.5pc before corruption of stats and all that, as per cv why fkn bother, margin of error stuff and emission going up
     • Red 5.2.1

       3 October 2016 at 5:24 pm

       Oops got my maths wrong, 35 pc reduction on pollutants per unit of economic growth. Key issue is growth so unless the can reduce pollutants to somewhere near zero hardly game changer considering how quickly Indians economy is expected to grow
6. Puckish Rogue 6

   3 October 2016 at 11:15 am

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11721407

   Now theres a guy that’s deserves his pay packet. I remember about 20 odd years ago when Farmers and Hellensteins were at the lower end and then they upped their game and their products so its good to see Kmart doing what it does best
7. Morrissey 7

   3 October 2016 at 11:51 am

   Lawmaker Who Pushed Bill to Protect People
   Filming Police Arrested for Filming Police
   by NAOMI LACHANCE, The Intercept, Oct. 1, 2016

   An Arkansas State representative who helped pass a state law protecting people who film police was arrested Monday while filming Little Rock police as they put a black man in handcuffs after a traffic stop.

   The charges against Rep. John Walker have been dropped, but his colleague, fellow civil rights lawyer Omavi Shukur, faces charges for obstruction of government relations.

   Officer Jeff Thompson wrote in his police report: “I ordered Walker several times to leave or be arrested. Walker replied ‘arrest me’ at which point I did.”

   Police on Wednesday released dashcam video of the incident. “I’m just making sure they don’t kill you,” Walker told the man who had been pulled over, according to the police report.

   Citizens who film police often face arrest or retaliation. ….

   Read more….
   https://theintercept.com/2016/09/30/lawmaker-who-pushed-bill-to-protect-people-filming-police-arrested-for-filming-police/
8. adam 8

   3 October 2016 at 2:35 pm

   Weka, thought of you when I saw this.

   http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1172414684
9. UglyTruth 9

   3 October 2016 at 3:51 pm

   I’m toying with the idea of setting up an open access web forum for indexing ideas and information about a written constitution (and hosting discussion).

   1. Is it worth the effort?
   2. How should the content be organized so that people don’t TL;DR?
   3. How do you avoid ideological bias when indexing content?
10. Tautoko Mangō Mata 10

    3 October 2016 at 4:06 pm

    Stephen Jacobi writing a puff piece on the TPP in Stuff today obviously thinks that all the TPP needs is a better sales pitch to make it palatable and calls for more openness. Is it any wonder that the public were skeptical when the negotiations were carried out so furtively. Openness only arrived after negotiations were completed.
    To counter Mr Jacobi’s article, I post the following:

    TPP: Lessons from New Zealand
    By Jomo Kwame Sundaram (who was an Assistant Secretary-General responsible for analysis of economic development in the United Nations system during 2005-2015, and received the 2007 Wassily Leontief Prize for Advancing the Frontiers of Economic Thought.)

    Feb 2 2016 (IPS) – A new paper* on the implications of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Agreement for New Zealand examines key economic issues likely to be impacted by this trade agreement. It is remarkable how little TPP brings to the table. NZ’s gross domestic product will grow by 47 per cent by 2030 without the TPP, or by 47.9 per cent with the TPP. Even that small benefit is an exaggeration, as the modelling makes dubious assumptions, and the real benefits will be even smaller. If the full costs are included, net economic benefits to the NZ economy are doubtful. The gains from tariff reductions are less than a quarter of the projected benefits according to official NZ government modelling. Although most of the projected benefits result from reducing non-tariff barriers (NTBs), the projections rely on inadequate and dubious information that does not even identify the NTBs that would be reduced by the TPP!

    http://www.ipsnews.net/2016/02/tpp-lessons-from-new-zealand/

    Jacobi writes

    If we have learnt anything about the fractious debate about TPP, it is surely that we have to do more to explain the benefits of trade and investment to a sceptical public.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83767361/Stephen-Jacobi-A-trade-policy-for-our-times

    The problem is, Mr Jacobi, there is a LACK of benefits from the TPP plus the predicted LOSS of jobs, not to mention the LOSS of sovereignty by exposing ourselves to financial blackmail litigious foreign investors.
    “A trade policy for our times?”….Like hell it is!
11. UglyTruth 11

    3 October 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Should there be an open forum for indexing information on a written constitution?
12. richardrawshark 12

    3 October 2016 at 5:35 pm

    IE 11 on my windows 10 anniversary edition x64 is not running this site. Click not responding page not even coming up now, Edge is ok it seems, so i’m on that at the Moment. FYI SYSOP.
13. chris73 13

    3 October 2016 at 6:25 pm

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/84900004/rachel-macgregor-awarded-damages-after-colin-craig-breached-confidentiality

    Good and for all those so-called lefties on here that’ve been supporting Colin Craig I hope you’re hanging your heads in shame but of course you won’t be
14. Morrissey 14

    3 October 2016 at 7:49 pm

    The United States of Dumb

    Unbelievably, Trump’s uninformed and unintelligent outbursts during his humiliation last Wednesday were possibly not even his worst performance.

    Aficionados of epic stupidity might like to watch the following:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrqqQAfenUo

    One of the YouTube commentators sums Trump up perfectly: “I never thought I would ever see a candidate again as dumb as Sarah Palin, but this guy is up there with her for sure.”

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