“A head teacher of a leading primary school has said young children should not have best friends because it could leave others feeling ostracised and hurt. But are people programmed to have best friends?”
This is the kind of lunacy passed off as progressive / humanist philosophy that gives social conservatives a stick with which to beat progressive humanists. I can’t even begin to get on the same mental wavelength as the idiots who propound such facile notions. What kind of mind wakes up in the morning and thinks; “Eureka! We’ll save the lonely children from having hurt feelings by banning friendship and hugs among the children who are lucky enough to have discovered a friend.” A special kind of genius indeed..
My view is that this sort of rubbish comes from a defeated part of the wider “left” that gave up on all the important battles, but still wanted a few victories. It’s the same sort of rubbish that outlaws black as a colour for rubbish bins and is used to hold us all up to ridicule. I hate it, although not in the same way that Back Pussy Tamihere does.
Actually, if you look at the article, it comes from one published in the Daily Torygraph. The headmaster who suggested that best friends should be banned, is the head of a private prep school – hardly the bastion of left wing policy, I’d have thought. He said he’d support a policy against having best friends, as long as it was age appropriate: ie older kids could make up their own minds about it.
Actually, while I am totally happy with kids of any age choosing to have best friends, I think there’s a whole US-led thing that’s kind of institutionalised the whole best friends thing. They’ve made it seem almost compulsory.
I learned something about the US constitutional right to bear arms on Al Jazeera this morning, which gave a lot of times to the issue and the sanely mad gun lobby. It seems the 2nd amendment said that citizens have the right to bear arms as part of a well organised militia.
Well, it seems that is debated. However, the original intent of the amendment was relevant to the context of the time when the amendment was drawn up. At that time citizens’ militia were common because there wasn’t the organised military and National Guard that there is today.
Is that one of the problems of a written constitution? Seems like a good idea at the time and all makes sense but over the years it becomes so entrenced that changes are almost impossible and the Parlimentry process loses the capability to effect change.
America would be better off with fewer guns, most places are better of with fewer guns, but with the second amendment they always get stuck.
This is one of the things that concerns me about NZ creating a written constitution, who would write it? How would everyone ever agree? Will it still be relevant in 50 years? What would we be getting our great grand kids into? Will they spend all their time arguing that if the comma in paragraph seven of subsection 12a was placed four words to the left then nano heart valve replacement is a human right?
“This is one of the things that concerns me about NZ creating a written constitution, who would write it? How would everyone ever agree? Will it still be relevant in 50 years? “
Agree, Jane. The second amendment is the example I use of a problem with a written constitution. Unless it can be renegotiated to fit the times it will at some stage be inappropriate. And if it can be negotiated how is that any better than the lawmaking and judicial interpretation of laws that we have now?
We don’t need a constitution – it would be totally redundant in our mature, robust, flexible Westminster system. This is just the National Party’s thirty silver shekels to the Maori Party. And while the second amendment is an amendment, it has proven impossible for progressives to shift it. A constitution would just give conservatives and the right something to project on to.
We need something to act as a check on parliamentary supremacy, be it an upper house, an elected head of state with a right of veto or supreme law the courts can apply, I am uncomfortable with so much power in this country being concentrated in the hands of so few, especially with the civil liberties shenanigans in recent years such as the Search and Surveillance Act and the proposed changes to the GCSB legislation. It should be systematically impossible for lawmakers to override fundamental rights, not just a matter of trusting in them.
The NZ system doesn’t have any separation of powers, the executive and the legislative branches are the same people, and the judicial branch has a duty to the Crown which is common with the other two branches.
Also, the NZ system is not a constitutional monarchy.
New Zealand’s constitution is based on the principle of separation of powers between Parliament, executive government, and the judiciary through a series of constitutional safeguards, many of which are tacit. The Executive’s ability to carry out decisions often depends on the Legislature, which is elected under the Mixed Member Proportional system. This means the government is rarely a single party but a coalition of parties. The Judiciary is also free of government interference. If a series of judicial decisions result in an interpretation of the law which the Executive considers does not reflect the intention of the policy, the Executive can initiate changes to the legislation in question through the Legislature. The Executive cannot direct or request a judicial officer to revise or reconsider a decision;decisions are final. Should there be a dispute between the Executive and Judiciary, the Executive has no authority to direct the Judiciary, or its individual members and vice versa.
Yes, that’s what they tell the peasants, but it’s mostly bullshit.The separation of powers is a feature of Roman law called the triumvirate. The constitution is based on the unwritten constitution of England, which forms the basis of English common law and the law of the land in New Zealand. The civil law (originally Roman) and the common law (originally Judaic) are philosophically different systems, Roman law was the law of the empire and the predator, English law was the law of the land and the wellbeing of the people.
So basically you just said that New Zealand law is founded in English law and English law is “the law of the land and the wellbeing of the people”. Did you suffer whiplash with that confusing u-turn?
Which can and has been successfully challenged, often by means of an Ombudsman, the modern Tribune. And I can distinctly recall that even a total Nat like Chris Finlayson has actually performed his job as Attorney-General and told his party that a law they wanted to pass was unconstitutional.
In as much as we have MMP and other constitutional peculiarities unique to NZ, we still rely primarily on constitutional law (British model), not civil law (European model). We are still therefore a variation on the Westminster system.
Most people simply have no idea as to the extent and nature of the fraud committed by the state against the people of this country. The treaty was also a fraud, and the state misleads people about the nature of common law.
I really can’t be bothered trying to educate you on the various meanings of the word “civil”, but suffice to say “Civil Government” (general civility) doesn’t mean “Civil Law” (technical term for the European system of law making that evolved out of the Roman system)
Civil law (or civilian law) is a legal system originating in Western Europe, intellectualized within the framework of late Roman law, and whose most prevalent feature is that its core principles are codified into a referable system which serves as the primary source of law.
Written constitutions are good for constitutional lawyers. I’m happy with Te Tiriti, and would be happier with a stronger Bill of Rights, an Official Information Act with teeth, and a well funded and fiercely independent Ombudsman. The Soviet Union also had a wonderful constitution, and human rights were about as well protected there as they are in the US and A. The main danger of a Kiwi constitution is that it could be used to deny Te Tiriti and entrench pakeha ruling class privilege even further.
The framers of the constitution thought that a standing army would be a tool of oppression, given their experience of British troops before the Revolution. So they wanted to make provision for a militia. There is provision for a navy in the US Constitution, but no army.
The US Constitution was written by the rich and powerful behind closed doors. There is NOTHING moral or ethical about it.
Example: For purposes of representation in the House of Representatives, northern delegates said enslaved Negroes should not be counted as part of the population because they have no more rights than horses or dogs. The south wanted them counted as “voters” because in some areas slaves were 90% of the population. So the constitution says one slave is three-fifths of a voter!
The way to keep our laws and constitution contemporary is binding referendums which cannot be overturned by parliament.
So the constitution says one slave is three-fifths of a voter!
That’s what the 14th amendment is for.
Personally, I think the US constitution was ground breaking in its day in terms of assuring the rights of US citizens. Generally ignored now of course.
Orlov would say that the parallels between the USSR and the USA are now unmistakeable.
Without wanting to sound too much like a libertarian…in the last ten years Federal intrusion into the life of ordinary US citizens has become massive.
Some estimates say that the US has spent $700B beefing up internal surveillance and security on its own citizens since 9/11.
And in the wake of the Boston marathon bombing the talk is to ramp this up even further. Even though hundreds of CCTV cameras, police, bomb squad sweeps, email and social media scanning in the immediate area etc couldn’t prevent it.
Yeah, but it was the privacy intrusions that might have prevented another. That’s the security compromise.
I was in favour of heightened security post9/11, not to stop terrorists but to stop yahoos smuggling on weapons to take out terrorists. But they should have been short lived. Now domestic security is part of the military-industrial complex.
The scale of growth of the security services in the US – especially given the amounts going to security contractors as well to develop domestic security hardware & software – sounds staggering. I get the impression more and more Americans are becoming extremely uneasy at how much power US officialdom is getting to spy on them.
Yeah, but it was the privacy intrusions that might have prevented another.
I might have agreed with you once, but when you also consider the systematic attempts to suspend habeas corpus, legalising the state sponsored assassination of American citizens, militarisation of law enforcement, etc it looks more and more like something other than a war against terror. More like a war against your own citizens.
Yep, once you read the history behind the US constitution it becomes obvious that the framers weren’t out to produce a free country but to set up their own aristocracy. Unfortunately for them the people who’d just been doing all the fighting wanted something different and so they got a democracy but a democracy that could be controlled by the rich – representative democracy.
“Yep, once you read the history behind the US constitution it becomes obvious that the framers weren’t out to produce a free country but to set up their own aristocracy.”
Because when you set up an aristocracy the first thing you do is introduce laws against nobility and define term length, election laws as well as allowing any citizen to be president.
You need to read a little more history Contrarian. The framers of the Declaration of independence and American Constitution did not envisage a democratic republic with universal rights and suffrage as I understand it. One of the key contributors to the drafting of the constitution was James Madison. I don’t know the copy / paste rules but here is a selection from Wikipedia quoting Madison.
“In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The Senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability.”
–James Madison, quoted in Notes of the Secret Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787
James Madison’s comments were but one of many. The Constitution, as written, offers no special protections to the rich or noble – despite the above quote.
If they were trying to set up their own aristocracy then they somehow manged to draft a document which did the exact opposite.
Perhaps you should go back and read what Draco (and I) actually said. We mentioned the original intentions and wishes of many of the landowning (and slave owning) oligarchical delegates. Yes, in the end after much debate a very interesting constitution was produced. A majority of delegates initially refused to sign it and full ratification by the States took quite some time. But it still didn’t grant full participatory democracy or universal suffrage. Here is an excerpt lifted from Wikipedia about Madison’s family background:
His father, James Madison, Sr. (1723–1801), was a tobacco planter who grew up on a plantation, then called Mount Pleasant, in Orange County, Virginia, which he had inherited upon reaching adulthood. He later acquired more property and slaves; with 5,000 acres (2,000 ha), he became the largest landowner and a leading citizen of Orange County, in the Piedmont. James Jr.’s mother, Nelly Conway Madison (1731–1829), was born at Port Conway, the daughter of a prominent planter and tobacco merchant and his wife. Madison’s parents were married on September 15, 1749.[6][7] In these years the southern colonies were becoming a slave society, in which slave labor powered the economy and slaveholders formed the political élite.[8]
Madison was not atypical of many of the founding fathers and I’m sure you’re aware that it took over one and a half centuries before universal suffrage and full rights as citizens before the law was extended to the whole population.
Please point to which part of the Constitution attempted to institute an aristocracy. States not ratifying it is like saying, hypothetically, because Auckland didn’t agree to be nuclear free 10 years after NZ law decided to be nuclear free means that law was designed to be nuclear friendly.
“We mentioned the original intentions and wishes of many of the landowning”
” I’m sure you’re aware that it took over one and a half centuries before universal suffrage and full rights as citizens before the law was extended to the whole population.”
You also forget that “the whole population” as it is now doesn’t represent the same population in historical perpetuity. For example, Alaska only became part of the union in 1959. Before that it wasn’t beholden to the Constitution so of course the adoption of the Constitution wasn’t extended to all the States.
Hence the civil war
Contrarian: Sigh. For Pete’s sake do some reading. Madison was far from being a lone voice. The delegate’s went in having been expected to carry out a limited job by the States that appointed them, decided off their own bat to increase their own mandate and initially many of them envisaged something that fell far short of representative democracy with universal suffrage. This is (with certain license for the sake of brevity), historical fact. If you doubt it DO THE READING>>
As for universal suffrage: All males regardless of race or land ownership was 1870 (15th amendment, nearly 100 years after the constitution was drafted) but many southern states effectively barred most blacks from voting through such things as literacy tests. The 19th amendment gave women the vote in 1920. I can’t remember where I read it but I believe some Indian tribe/s in some states didn’t get the vote until the early to mid 1970’s.
“Near full enfranchisement was realized in 1965 with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the ratification of the 24th Amendment in 1964” Wikipedia.
“In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure.
And that is the sole reason why we have representative democracy rather than participatory democracy. It’s not a fear of Mob Rule but the fear of the rich that the people would take back their wealth.
As YOU understand it, from the benefit from over two hundred years of social progress and a radically different worldview. Try reading it in the context of a former British colony in the late eighteenth century and it’s as progressive and democratic as fuck. What you just said was the equivalent of saying that Fifth Century BC Athens wasn’t a democracy because their society didn’t recognise women or slaves as citizens while completely failing to acknowledge it was the most progressive state in the region because all authority wasn’t in the hands of a single tyrant.
I think the point is that the the framers were well aware of, for example Athens. They understood ‘democracy’ and ‘republic’ very well. they deliberately opted for the latter with democratic aspects.
The house of reps is the most democratic part of the infrastructure, and the weakest. that’s not a coincidence, it was by design.
Which isn’t to say it isn’t a fine document given its time, but to claim it as progressive as all fuck, given what we know they knew and decided to do, is just daft.
Napoleon was arguably more ‘progressive’ than the US framers. Inasmuch as ‘progressive’ means anything.
The point that Draco was making and I was backing him up over was about what some, perhaps a majority, of the delegates first envisaged at the beginning of the process. It is indeed remarkable that given the time in which they lived and class from which many of them came that they eventually produced (after lengthy and heated debate) the document which became the constitution. You would have to be totally unread and or delusional however to believe that all of the lovely words about the rights of man etc were intended by all the delegates to mean all men and all women and all races in all states of the union at all times from the moment the constitution was signed and ratified. It most certainly wasn’t and I gave some examples above of ways in which it wasn’t.
Not in quite so many words perhaps but Contrarians vehement “What utter crap”, in response to Draco’s assertion that many of the founding fathers were essentially oligarchs looking to preserve their privileged status against the non land owning and essentially inferior (in the case of women and non-whites) was the next best thing.
So you agree that it was in fact a very limited form of democratic republicanism which reserved many rights for a privileged class?
Funny, I thought that was precisely what Draco and I were saying.
I actually said several times it was very advanced for it’s day and laid a foundation for some powerful ideas about human and civil rights which have evolved over the last two centuries, but I’m not going to say it was a document which stood for the equal civil rights of the “common man” regardless of social station just to please The Contrarian and yourself, because I don’t believe those things to be true based on my reading of the history.
What was being contested was the suggestion that the constitution was deliberately framed to create an aritsocracy in anything but name. Given that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are, at least in their language, virtually identical to many anarchist AND libertarian manifestos. Hence the sharp intake of breath as I paused over my port and stilton at the suggestion.
The right to bear arms as part a well organised militia is still a crucial test of citizenship.
I’d like to see Al Jazeera spend less time on the gun lobby in the US and more examing the implications of that principle in Bahrain. But I’m not holding my breath.
did ppl queue up ever? i been voting for 20 years & i have never seen that, i always thought a plus in our voting system was the whole process took about 10-15 minutes, i dont ever recall ppl queueing, but just am asking was it common once in nz for there to be queues of ppl waiting to vote?
i think alot of ‘older’ guys have to go rark up some of the young at the next election, motivate them to vote. young cousins, neices, nephews, service workers, etc…just bring it up all the time, closer to the time.
Never has been long queues while I’ve been around. Longest I ever had was about 15 minutes in Ponsonby after I moved back to Auckland from back up from Dunedin and had to do a special vote because I hadn’t told the electoral commission. There was someone in front of me that had changed their name
The day we go to computer voting is the day we lose all hope of peaceful political change.
Volumes have been written about the blatant corruption of America’s computer voting systems. Once it’s in, you’ll never get rid of it. The people who hack it for their own purposes won’t let you.
I figure that an electronic system could be as secure as a paper system. In fact, I think it may be more so if done correctly. But it must be done correctly and the US system isn’t – the US system has been done to funnel wealth into the hands of business.
Also we don’t need the friend of a brother of an MP getting the tender/shouldertap for organising the leadup, the ballot and the counting and dissemination of end results.
You have to be very trusting, to the point of infantile to not realise the vast field for finagling and carefully managed sharp practices to be loaded into the system. It is possible though that many adults do have this infantile tendency – a bit of brain missing such as in John Cleese saying ‘Madam is this a pea, or is it part of your brain’. They’d say check it out on-line, the computer can’t lie.
I agree Draco, there’s no reason on the face of it that an electronic system can’t be secure and trustworthy. It would definitely require open source code available to anyone who requested it; I guess the tricky part is that you have to prove the source code you’re looking at is the same source code that is being run on the machine.
Nope. No system is unhackable – none. The only unhackable machine is one that’s switched off, unplugged, and buried in a lead-lined safe in a Farraday Cage in a concrete vault….
Of course, Pop, the point is that you ensure the program that is running on the machine is the one that was scrutinised, and do everything possible to stop other programs from being run on it. I expect this would mean some sort of ‘trusted computing’ situation, where the HW will only run software that is signed with the appropriate authentication certificate, similar to how Blu-Ray and PS3 worked for only running trusted discs/games. That would mean even if someone plugged in a USB drive to try and load SW onto it, the SW wouldn’t execute unless they could sign it with the proper encryption key. You could potentially go even further, and write SW that is vetted by experts for exploits etc (using Formal Methods I guess?), and then translate that into a fixed HW circuit, so that the machine was physically incapable of doing anything other than run the specified program – this would be a very expensive route to take though.
In the US case, it seems the program being run on it wasn’t scrutinised and itself was rigged, rather than someone else coming along later and hacking it.
The problem is that all that requires specialist checking.
Whereas any mumpty on the street can see that army officers stuffing ballot boxes is a bit dodgey.
Yep, and that includes the paper system we use today. It’s difficult to do but not impossible. The same applies to electronic voting – just need to put in place the correct protocols. Username, 16 character alpha-numeric password and a security token and the chances of the system being hacked drop to minuscule.
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I decided to buy something on ebay and spent what seemed like hours negotiating the system as I couldn’t remember my password or id.
Got through in the end because I just got determined and bloody minded and I knew if I succeeded I would get what I personally wanted.
Unlike voting, where you hope that the crowd you vote for will succeed to get the numbers and then will deliver the good policies. But I can’t have as much faith in that as I have in my parcel being delivered from the United States.
“The next election has to be mainly about one thing .. turnout, turnout, turnout .. ”
That is correct.
However, speaking as a Labour member where L stands first for Loyalty, with things as they are at the moment, the current leader and deputy are a turnoff, turnoff, turnoff ..
The public evisceration of Happy Gilmore continues. Last night Campbell live did a scathing review of Gilmore’s past difficulties and his blown up sense of worth …
The question is raised, if Lianne Dalziel retires to have a crack at the Christchurch Mayoralty what will National do? Gilmore was the candidate in Christchurch East for the past two elections. If he stood in the by election he could be the most memorial since Melissa Lee …
An odd comment at the end of a Gilmore piece, about:
“Prime Minister John Key is under pressure to discipline shamed MP Aaron Gilmore over allegations of sleazy conduct towards a woman at his infamous boozy dinner. ”
……”A spokeswoman for Mr Key said his office had not been made aware of allegations of an inappropriate advance….”
Wonder what that means? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8631499/PM-facing-calls-to-deal-to-MP
Also incredibly easy to believe. I get pretty sick of executive types slobbering over my wife on the odd occasion we have to deal with them. One idiot even suggested she remove her clothes and do a samba on a restaurant table, apparently finding this appropriate because she’s Brazilian. Years back I had a girlfriend who did some work at some sort of NAct convention. She told me some pretty appalling stories about their sleazy conduct.
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I remember hearing a story about an IRD party back near the day when a bloke was writing about them in a book called ‘Be Very Afraid’. I’m not sure whether he was the one who committed suicide because of the burden of their relentless compound penalty interest.
The story goes that one of the young bloods got filled up with some liquid then stood on a table dropped his trousers and turned round as fast as he could, emulating a lawn sprayer.
Could be wrong but what an imagination to think up a story like that, if it was made up. It sounds possible because there was a tide of uncontrollable hubris then.
Years ago there were classrooms set up to develop the kids ability to self manage learning. Kids responded with intensity. But parents were uneasy. The learning did not look packaged and formal. So “projects” were born to counteract the misconceptions. Sadly Projects became a return to teacher managed learning.
It is said that if a teacher from 100 years ago appeared in a modern classroom, he would easily identify what was happening today. The tools have changed but the process has not. Prescribed learning and all that.
Interesting. Have just pulled my son out of mainstream education and we are going for a democratic school (don’t really like that term but whatever). There are choices out there and some of those choices are designed for the children rather than the state or factories. I am constantly amazed by how some people disrespect children and treat them like idiots – they aren’t, they are people with individual attributes and deserve respect and support so they can grow into thinkers and lifelong learners.
Presumably the present state system can’t because it’s based on certain quite functional principles of standardised learning, socialisation, and economy of scale. For choice there are a range of private schools, religious schools, Montessori schools, Steiner schools, Democratic schools, Te Reo immersion schools etc – the only difference between them and charter schools being that the others are held to a state monotored standard with professional teachers. Were Charter Schools to be held to the same standards, I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
Ah, when I started out in education, deschooling was a big topic in the training colleges and amongst educationists. I was majorly into Summerhill kind of school, deschooling, etc in the 70s – found them inspiring….. then along came Thatcher et al..
I’ve only ever taught professionally at the university level, but I try to impose as little structure on the process as possible. Perhaps the most important thing I can get across is that they need to develop an ability to evaluate their own answers. The second is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. By and large, I get excellent feedback, but none of my lectures since 2000 have had more than about 35 students, and I would generally have one or two tutors to help. I have a real admiration for school teachers who do it by themselves with the class sizes they have, and a government which encourages people to abuse them.
A revealing article on Stuff about Tikorangi – ” the most heavily explored and developed oil and gas area in New Zealand”
key spoke to 100 in Inglewood
“On Thursday he told an audience that the amount of wealth that exploration could release meant it was in everyones best interests to build respectful relationships with the oil companies.”
Some interesting factoids from the article
On Tuesday the council’s request to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment that urban areas and land near New Plymouth Airport to be excluded from future oil exploration was turned down flat.
Greymouth has stated it is drilling just one well but has applied to drill eight. It has also bought 30 hectares of land despite only needing 1.4ha.
Like so many other media-shy companies, Greymouth requires questions in writing which are answered in kind.
Todd Energy, the other big player in Tikorangi oil and gas and operator of the massive Mangahewa C production site, has started issuing full-colour community updates.
Featuring pictures of smiling rig workers and the top-echelon management team casually splayed out on a grass bank at Womad…
“The fact of the matter is the easy oil is gone, and now exploration is being brought closer to humans,” Todd Energy operations general manager Mr Clennett says.
“Our main focus is how we can build a sustainable operation within the community. Because the skills we are building here, we want to be able to use in other places.”
Mr Clennett’s frankness, the printed updates, the millions in funding to the Len Lye Centre and support for other community projects have another bottom-line benefit for Todd. In a world market scrapping over a limited supply of oil and gas experts, reputation is money.
key and these companies are singing from the same songsheet and they are raising their voices in a cacophony of manipulation designed to drown out opposition to their exploitation, but it won’t work because they ignore people.
“This doesn’t feel like home anymore,” he told his parents Clare and Alan.
“The noise. The rigs. The powerlines. All the lights. It’s taken away the night sky. It’s pretty sad really.”
Expect plenty of glossy brochures and smiling pictures to come because that is all they have got to counter the truth of their activities.
I would say, ” I think you’ve missed the Vienna loaf” or similar. I tend to point it out when I notice that I have been charged incorrectly or given the incorrect change. I do not want to put a shop assistant onto the back foot with her employer, and I do not want to be hostage to petty, grasping instincts either.
A polite curious enquiry might help. “Why doesn’t the money go in the till?” Might be a good reason for this.
It is said that the $3.99 or $19.99 was to force the till to be opened to give change rather than make the cost seem less.
Interesting point re the .99 , and we worry about a few $$ that a few beneficiaries over claim, whilst such actions from business owners and trades go unabated and almost condoned or accepted as being part of the game of being in business. Pity most do not see cashies and these actions are stealing from the public purse.
I still recall a wife of a builder complaining how hard it was to spend $30 k of cashies that he earned on a job and for it not to be noticed, and we worry about feeding and housing those less fortunate. Many here do not appreciate how hard it is for the rich to live and operate & the problems they have to live under!!!!
I think I might have misunderstood your question, Herodotus. I took you to mean that the price of your purchase did not register. However, on reading ianmac’s post, it seems that you paid but the shop assistant didn’t put the money in the till. In that case I would say nothing, since it would seem to me to be busy-bodying. Perhaps she/he put that money to one side to pop across the road and buy something that the shop had just run out of, like milk for instance.
It is going on a lot and is called the black economy. No taxes paid, cash in the bag. I personally would not visit the shop anymore as one has to put the money where the mouth is -literally. My taxes are being deducted and I have no say, it seems hat a shop owner who does not pay taxes can choose. So here are some of the dollars that are missing in the social net structure.
Great article but it does not deal wit the cash and/or barter economy that runs parallel to the taxed one.
There are (business)people who seem to belief that they are entitled to cheat the “system”. By boasting that they have got away avoiding tax and giving that rort a revolutionary name such as “system” “government” “taxman” etc it tends to get the nod because of the wide held belief that these people are cleverer then your average punter who has to suck it up. The very same punters have yet to cotton on to the fact that they admire a cheat who has their hand in the wrong pocket and smile at you whilst robbing you blind. Of cause the “government” and the “taxman” will now ask more of the ordinary punter to cover the shortfall.
There is or was, actually a barter system for businesses that is quite widespread, and this would enable trading to be done without exchanging cash. So what is thought about that.
I belonged to a green dollars group and that is how that operated but we were just ordinary wage earners or beneficiaries, not business people.
Excuse me but i need to have a little rant about this
Not one of you have a skerrick of any wrongdoing, that includes Herodotus who only witnessed cash going somewhere other than the till in a bakery shop. Herodotus later tells us it is money going to the owner no less. Mon dieu, imagine that, a business owner taking money for a sale and doing with it what they wish. What is the world coming to? If Herodotus had a genuine concern of inappropriate activity why did he not say something? If he had, at least he would have fact based reasons for a discussion instead of a swagbag of supposition.
May I recommend to mind your own business, or are the cries of tax evasion and corruption meant to lead to louder calls for the boarding up of the premises and subsequently dragging the owner through the streets by his own scrotum? What business is it of anyone’s, except the IRD, how daily cash handling is done in a private business? By subsequent comments from Herodotus it looks like a bit of a staged discussion anyway.
In one cafe I used to work we had a ‘need change to get another coffee?’ bowl that was a tipn’share bowl. It lived on the counter and cash was constantly going in and out depending on what people needed. Not every business does, or can run, an over- invoiced receipt-driven use the right suppositry code type of operation. Life is messy and for the self employed and small businesses it is getting messier by the day. I do wonder why exactly Herodotus mentioned it, if it was’t to voice his obvious suspicion of fraud or such.
The last time you bought a new car or boat or whatever it is well off people pick up on the weekend, you did what? Handed over a credit card or similar, what account did the money go into? Are you sure it did ? How about that lawyer’s account that your trust management fees went into? You know for a fact that money is being dealt with legitmately?
Next time Herodotus, just ask the person concerned if it is such a worry, and stop casting aspersions on the characters of others, because that is exactly the sort of weak lipped snakeoil that is killing this country faster than all the fraud and theft and greed put together.
Get into the real world as someone who deals day to day in admin accounting I can see when a 2nd till operates. On your ventures out just take a look to see how often such an experience that I described occurs. Why then as I spent $8 why the $2 change came out of a 2nd tin the same as my $10 entered. There was no reason i could come up with why the till on the counter was not used and my transaction was at least not rung up. And as I mentioned before that I was serviced by the owner.
I was interested how others here would have reacted to this.
Not staged from my experiences I come across quite a few instances of tax avoidance in what I considered involving large amounts, perhaps in your world you are more fortunate in the people you deal.
H, what happens to the cash after you have paid for the product you selected, is just none of your business. The banks? maybe, regulatory agencies, possibly, tax man certainly, but unless this shop is a client of yours, it is nothing to do with you. Instead of taking aside the owner and privately voicing whatever ill-focused concerns you may have, you preferred to spend the day involved in the escalation of theoretical wrongdoings.
I believe for every malfeasance you have imagined that the owner is involved in, others could come up with a reasonable and real world alternative that is not judging someone based on nothing but your own expeiriences collected whilst scooping and bagging the effluent of your own career choices.
Get off your high horse. 15% of what we hand over to retailers is tax (GST) that we’re paying and we’ve got every right to expect it to go to the taxman. What they do with their income is their business, GST is our business because it’s our taxes not their income.
Maybe the till wasn’t working and the money was being kept separate so it could be rung up later when it was fixed.
Maybe it ran out of paper.
Maybe they were having a contest to see which staff member could sell the most donuts.
Maybe they were testing out a new piggy bank.
Maybe it was a hidden camera show.
Who the fuck knows? You can keep your money in a tin if you want to. What of it?
The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 9.4.1.3.1
“White House warned on imminent Arctic ice death spiral
National security officials worried by rapid loss of Arctic summer sea ice overlook threat of permanent global food shortages”
“as the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projected in 2007. He said:
“The Arctic situation is snowballing: dangerous changes in the Arctic derived from accumulated anthropogenic green house gases lead to more activities conducive to further greenhouse gas emissions. This situation has the momentum of a runaway train.”
” phenomenon of “Arctic amplification”, where:
“The loss of Arctic summer sea ice and the rapid warming of the Far North are altering the jet stream over North America, Europe, and Russia. Scientists are now just beginning to understand how these profound shifts may be increasing the likelihood of more persistent and extreme weather.”
There’s a satellite video of ice in the Alaskan Beaufort sea already breaking up (First time ever so early in the spring) indicating a summer ice free Arctic this year or next with a consequent greater loss of the albedo effect and further entrapment of heat in the Earth’s climate system.
From Comments section of article…
“The fossil fuels you burn are directly contributing to killing people in the future.
None of which alters the bottom line – nature will step in and correct our numbers and consumption for us. We have proven incapable of doing either. You might not like it. You might not be one of the very few with even a small chance of making it. But that is the bottom line and the outcome the richer and more powerful members of our species have voted for in continuing business as usual for so long.”
“This is a visualization of the decline in minimum volumes that makes it very clear that the Arctic will be ice free in summer soon. This is significant because it will mark the boundary of a change in state, and the effects on the Northern Hemisphere climate that we are already seeing will intensify.
It is just staggering that we are actually witnessing an event of geologic-time proportions in the space of one generation.”
The new lands, that have been unseen for millenia, were not hidden from the eyes in the sky and are probably mapped in detail and scheduled for stripping. There are shots in the film where you can almost hear them coming for the raw meat of the glacier’s wounds.
1.The normal UK weather pattern (changeable ,sunshine and some showers etc. ) in the UK has been in turmoil for the last several years. Those who spend their working lives outdoors ( Farmers etc.) spotted something was wrong immediately . It started several years ago with almost monsoon like rainstorms in mid summer and has continued in that vain ever since , whereby our weather now resembles something akin to what must go on inside a washing machine come tumble drier ! i.e. constant rain/water and almost gale force like winds. This is because the Arctic is melting at a massive rate and all the freezing air is drifting south and it is enveloping the UK , whereby in the summer it is causing abnormally cold tempratures and constant deluges of rain and high winds ! …. People who live and work in the countryside have known this for several years , however seemingly not the met office or the government, I wonder why ?
2 .Sorry, but I don’t agree , that nothing has happened that hasn’t happened before. My relatives are farmers ( doing it for several generations) and they tell me a different story. They also say that over the same period( last several years) is when the UK’s weather went into turmoil , that the strength of the Sun ( UV rays?) has also seen a dramatic change , whereby it is now impossible to go outside in mid summer for any length of time without your skin beginning to burn very quickly and where people are now being publically warned to wear sun cream/block. This all points to either a mass thinning or an actual hole in the Ozone layer over the Arctic and extending down as far as the UK , which would explain the increased strength of the Sun (UV rays?) and why the Arctic is melting at such an alarming rate.
3. Amazing isn’t it, we will get to see something that hasn’t happened for at least 700,000 years.
4. Been following this issue a long time, no surprises here. Been shouting and shouting “food and water” for years now. This is real brothers and sisters, brace for impact.
I spent a lot of time outdoors in the UK in the really hot summer of 2008, and I certainly didn’t burn. I actually ended up with a light tan which I certainly couldn’t do in NZ.
And while I don’t doubt for a minute doubt climate change, anthropogenic and otherwise, the relatively mild British weather of which you speak has actually been an anomaly that started approximately 200 years ago. Prior to that, surviving accounts show British weather to have been much more severe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
Absence of sunspots for a couple of centuries. They were surprised as hell when they started reappearing. But it didn’t have much effect outside of Europe.
North western Europe is a canary area as far as climate goes. It is only habitable for a large community because of the gulf stream dropping heat so far north. It responds either through that heat load, or from the jetstream from the arctic to every change in the planetary heat balance.
The strangest thing is that the Brits generally aren’t aware how weird it is having one of the largest concentrations of computing power in the world to predict their weather.
Visiting my mother-in law last Saturday. I went to watch rugby at the Taieri rugby club(Mosgiel) . An incident involving a Pasifika player ensued. He was sent off. The home crowd then proceeded to slur the player with “get back on the banana boat ” the usual “thick coconut ” a a few true scumbags screaming “N word” . Fucking disgraceful. Racism is alive and well at this club. I’ve never seen such appalling behaviour at club level. I’d appreciate this getting passed round, I don’t want this in my game.
nothing has changed much then – I remember their horror when during the Tour I wore my anti-tour badge to the club – oh dear didn’t get to play for them much after that, not that I wanted to of course lol
Agreed, disgraceful, Blue. I’d like to tell another story which gives me hope. The provincial Boys’ College which I used to teach at, this year for the first time elected a Pasifika student as Head Boy. When this appointment was announced to the senior student’s assembly, after input from both students and staff, the entire assembly I am told broke out into spontaneous standing applause, an unprecedented event.
He’s also the 1st XV captain and an outstanding young man, with qualities which the whole senior student body recognised. Such a tale gives me hope for our society.
What I know is the members have had no say in who is Leader and I think they should and if we stay with Shearer we are very much looking like we are walking to another election defeat.
This won’t go down well but Labour could do worse than Shane Jones, hes always impressed me with his ability to be able to talk to everyone and comes across as intelligent
Sure there are some past issues to consider but nothing insurmountable…
“I guess we wont be getting a post from Mike Smith on how wonderful Mr Shearer is”
Quite simply, there is no need for outsourcee Mike Smith to tell us how wonderful Mr Shearer but we want the outsourcer himself saying the real thing and showing that to us.
Remember when Shanghai Pengxin attempted to buy 8000ha of dairy farmland and all hell broke loose and nobody on the left was being the least bit xenophobic? Well, anybody care to note the reaction Dairy Farms Partnership (an investment company owned by Harvard University) buying 1300ha of farmland to add to the farmland in NZ it already owns?
I started looking into that, yesterday. I started saving links on a word document and was intending to do more research on the issue before putting a post together.
eg I have some links to articles about the Harvard Uni investment fund “land grab” in Africa and the potential negative impact. I was wondering what such land grabs have to do with the role of Universities? Part of the neoliberalisation of higher education?
Harvard runs one of the absolute smartest long vision investment funds on the planet.
Mouths increasing, arable land decreasing, land productivity flat, useless paper wealth expanding exponentially
Farm land is where you want to have your investments. And these guys back it up with big money. Last I heard, a NZer ran this side of their asset classes for them.
I thought that many of our neo lib pollies and uncivil servants went to Harvard to study and learn.. Seems that they don’t learn all the good long term structural planning stuff, only the free market and lazy butts and deadhead dads sort of stuff. How to sneer, find fault, and feel superior enough to be worth millions per year in salary, or at least aspire to that.
I guess when we are all labelled okay they can work out an algorithm how to deal with us most efficiently, and whether it’s more cost effective to ensure that there is reasonable accommodation and food for all or to leave us living on the streets.
I’ll say the same thing now as I did then. Selling our land to foreign owners is bad for NZers and bad for our economy. It quite literally turns us into serfs for foreign owners.
My first response was more like Draco’s. I’m not very keen at all, esepcially given Harvard is such an elite US institution. But I want to look into it and think about it a bit more.
“Smart long term investment” on whose behalf?
Certainly US unis like Harvard have come into some criticism for “land grabbing” in Africa. froma a 2011 Guardian article:
Harvard and other major American universities are working through British hedge funds and European financial speculators to buy or lease vast areas of African farmland in deals, some of which may force many thousands of people off their land, according to a new study.
Researchers say foreign investors are profiting from “land grabs” that often fail to deliver the promised benefits of jobs and economic development, and can lead to environmental and social problems in the poorest countries in the world. …
Much of the money is said to be channelled through London-based Emergent asset management, which runs one of Africa’s largest land acquisition funds, run by former JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs currency dealers. …
Oakland said investors overstated the benefits of the deals for the communities involved. “Companies have been able to create complex layers of companies and subsidiaries to avert the gaze of weak regulatory authorities. Analysis of the contracts reveal that many of the deals will provide few jobs and will force many thousands of people off the land,” said Anuradha Mittal, Oakland’s director.
Harvard is elite in the sense that it is the best, it also has one of the most extensive and well funded scholarship and aid programmes in the world, increased every two or three years by about US $10 million. Please kindly check your confirmation bias.
You do realise that elite or “ivy league” education establishments that offer funding for some who can’t afford the fees, don’t necessarily do anything to change the elite dominated hierarchy, don’t you? It’s the kind of “charity” that is used to justify the dominance of elites?
Again I think that’s your confirmation bias which insists on reinforcing the idea that people that experience social mobility somehow equate to being a class traitor. The notion that “it’s the kind of “charity” that is used to justify the dominance of elites” is inherently silly and an artifact of a narrative that insists on demonising an entire group of people as a single stereotype cliche of fat cat capitalists in top hats. Bill Gates gives away almost all of his billions to better the less fortunate. J K Rowling gave away so much of her money that she is no longer on the rich list. George Soros gave away over $8 billion to human rights, public health, and education causes. Such charity is an appropriate response by people who realise the important role society has played in their success and is a valuable adjunct to state funding.
Yes, fuck them for not wandering around in sack cloth and ashes with dogs licking their sores. Bastards. You silly cartoon Marxist.
One would presume (well, a normal person would presume, so perhaps you are excused) that a considerable amount of Harvard’s endowment would also go toward funding research, paying staff, and supplying the amazing resources that make it a place to want to study at in the first place. But you can do the math. As of 2012, Harvard University had a total financial aid reserve of $158.725 million for students, and a Pell Grant reserve of $4.093 million available for disbursement out of $30.7 billion.
“Well fuck me Pop, I didn’t realise your spurious comparisons were beyond questioning.
0.5% Bit of context sheds some light eh?
Cock.”
Look, Felix, I realise you’re probably a bit special in the touched in the head sense, but obviously the top university in the world with the best facilities, resources and teachers is going to be expensive to run. And guess what, poor kids can get in and take advantage of all that on merit. Wow. I always get the impression from you that you are some nasty bitter little person who hates achievement and talent in others and just burns to drag everyone and everything in the world down to your level of mediocrity rather boosting deserving people with talent. Me, I’ve always thought socialism was about lifting people up, not dragging them down.
You tried to say that Harvard, by spending 0.5% of it’s income on allowing poor kids to attend, is comparable to Bill Gates giving away “almost all” of his money.
What a crock of shit.
ps your assessments of me are hilarious. Bit of self-reflection mate.
“You tried to say that Harvard, by spending 0.5% of it’s income on allowing poor kids to attend, is comparable to Bill Gates giving away “almost all” of his money.”
As I didn’t make that comparison at all, you sad little numpty, you’re projecting. I gave Bill Gates et al as examples of really rich people giving back to the comunity as a counterexample to the assertion that all such charity is a method of control. And I’ve said my bit about how much it costs to fund Harvard’s facilities. I’m not going to argue with your pathology any more except to say Harvard’s provision for disadvantaged students is better than any state university anywhere in the world you can name.
“I’m not going to argue with your pathology any more except to say Harvard’s provision for disadvantaged students is better than any state university anywhere in the world you can name.”
Well I guess that knocks out another argument I didn’t make. 🙄
“Well I guess that knocks out another argument I didn’t make.”
Who knows, Felix, you don’t specialise in arguments, just gibberish and invective. I have attempted to respond to your froth and spittal as best as one can.
I also don’t think xenophobia should be bandied about if the information on the Harvard buy was not publicised as the Crafar farce was. Accusing the media of building xenophobia by reporting unevenly may be more accurate, but even then the publicity around the Shanghai Pengxin bid came in on the back of publicity around fraud, bankruptcies and other apparent dodgy dealings and an imagery of six farms rather than an a more difficult to imagine x-hectares.
From the heavy handed new Greenpeace ads, you would actually begin to wonder if they weren’t secretly working for the government to secretly promote anti sea protest legislation. All they’ve done is strung together a bunch of footage that reinforces all the stereotypes about stupid, dangerous, gung-ho behaviour.
I have a T.V. and watch very little of free to air TV as the programmes are so vapid. I don’t own SKY. When I occasionally do watch a specific programme I mute the ads the moment they come on and usually go do something instead.
Anyway, to the video clip. Great to see Greenpeace getting the message over on mainstream TV as an antidote to all the “buy me buy me” ads. I did not get the same impression as you from the ad.
By the way, I do gain the impression from your comment that you approve of our right to protest being removed. No doubt you were also one of those grumbling about nanny state a few years ago.
You obviously prefer ‘big brother’ state.
I just don’t understand how someone (who I assume is just a regular citizen) having views such as these. What is your motivation?
The right to protest is sacrosanct, but I don’t support naive people risking severe injury or injuring others through their actions on the high seas. The ocean is not the place to be playing silly buggers.
Increasingly rough compared to the 1632 deaths worldwide that were related to the oil and gas industry in November of 2009 alone… I think you and the government have your priorities all wrong!
Comparing activism that has resulted in no deaths and is largely being outlawed by the government with an industry that kills thousands and is being promoted isn’t a false dichotomy… You may as well just write “dog poos” if that’s the extent of your argument Populuxe1.
the seafarers who engage in this kind of activity don’t need you looking after them, and unlike the unsafe foreign fishing vessels which operate out of NZ I’m not aware of any Greenpeace vessel needing NZ tax payers to fork out for a rescue.
Basically you’re making a lot of noise about fuck all. And it doesn’t seem to me like you believe the right to protest is paramount. Just the right to protest in ways that you believe convenient and appropriate.
If by “convenient and appropriate” you mean not acting in a manner that may potentially harm themselves or others, then yes. Your argument is pretty much that of NRA lobbiests in the US. What are you, a Libertarian? I don’t agree with the form of the law as it stands, but I don’t agree with boarding vessles or chucking projectiles etc and that goes for all parties involved.
Don’t be disingenuous. The law isn’t being changed to protect protestors from themselves or for “public safety”. It is being changed to prevent protestors from obstructing prospectors, drill rig operators, whoever..
It is a law against civil disobedience and in the end it won’t work because New Zealanders have repeatedly proven that when their principles are at stake they are quite prepared to collect some convictions and even jail time in defence of causes they believe are just. What’s more, in most cases, history has sided with the protestors and against the established order. Can you name a case where this wasn’t true? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
I’m well aware of that, but a slightly different law would have some contingency. Here is my reasoning. I’m not so concerned with Greenpeace (basically these days a commercial exercise, little more than a greenwashed Outward Bound so that privileged, predominantly white people can moralise to a developing world painfully aware of its own environmental shortcomings, and with little concern for the effects of their antics on ordinary people) and Sea Shepherd (another pack of showboating privileged wankers who manipulate the naive to get media attention and then hang them out to dry once the dirty work is done).
New Zealand has a vast coastline and the general public have incredible access to boats and the sea. There are also a lot of passionate numpties out there who don’t have the kind of seamanship to be safe in that kind of melee. Also while I am anti-whaling and deeply concerned by oil and mineral prospecting ships in our waters, as long as they are operating within whatever weak and flawed laws we have, no one should be making physical contact with them, board them, or attempt to block their path – all of which are in violation of the Law of the Sea. If protest ships waht to lurk visably nearby with all loudspeakers blasting, I think they should be able to.
Well aren’t you a nice well behaved little boy. Using that logic, if you were old enough to protest in 1981 you would have done so from the safety of your Nana’s lounge room.
“Well aren’t you a nice well behaved little boy. Using that logic, if you were old enough to protest in 1981 you would have done so from the safety of your Nana’s lounge room.”
Oh don’t be so fucking ridiculous. The Molesworth Street batoning was a horrific example of police brutality and it is a national shame that the LAW did not protect those protestors. Though marching on the police was a stupid thing to do too. You are a thoroughly nasty little man.
Some commentator I was listening to recently came up with a description of the present economic hegemony as being ‘corporate feudalism’ – the rich are trying to find more ways of making money from investing their excess, and will apply their minds to squeezing the people more. If that was the case there will be an inevitable slide back to the situation as in Victorian-type dramas of the poor woman and her child being thrust into the snow by a vicious landlord.
Father, dear father, come home with me now,
The clock in the steeple strikes one;
You said you were coming right home from the shop
As soon as your day’s work was done;
Our fire has gone out, our house is all dark,
And mother’s been watching since tea,
With poor brother Benny so sick in her arms
And no one to help her but me,
Come home! come home! come home!
Please father, dear father, come home.
It is so pathetic it almost seems like lampooning the situation but a read of books detailing the privations is sobering, despite the funny side of the Python’s skit about who had the worst childhood.
A bright moment this morning about something good and clever happening out in NZ enterprise fields, was Kim Hill and Doug Avery a farmer, talking about the value of altering long-held practices of pasture grass types. Farmers can gain extra value if they have suitable conditions to grow lucerne which will help them through droughts.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday
09:45
Doug Avery: farming and drought
South Island Farmer of the year 2010, who manages Bonavaree Farm at Grassmere, South Marlborough, using a sustainable farming system that is resilient in extreme weather and variability. (14′11″)
Download: Ogg Vorbis MP3 | Embed
First off, congrats to Nicky Hagar for getting the facts together. His division of attitudes into popular peacekeeping vs the empire/alliance is right on the money.
The most important point is that the PM is not the Commander in Chief. The fact that military operational policy was not aligned with Clark’s policy is a consequence of the nature of the civil system, which has it’s roots in the Roman empire.
“Well aren’t you a nice well behaved little boy. Using that logic, if you were old enough to protest in 1981 you would have done so from the safety of your Nana’s lounge room.”
“”Oh don’t be so fucking ridiculous. The Molesworth Street batoning was a horrific example of police brutality and it is a national shame that the LAW did not protect those protestors. Though marching on the police was a stupid thing to do too. You are a thoroughly nasty little man.””
I seem to have rattled someones cage. Are you running out of coherent arguments? Are you trying to say that you were on Molesworth street and got batoned? If so your method of doing so is rather cryptic and also beside the point. I’m talking about the right to protest and the tension between the LEGAL right to protest in a tidy way from a safe distance and the MORAL right to commit yourself to civil disobedience in a cause which has superior ethical weighting than that protected by the law.
For example: Which matters most, the right to watch a game of rugby undisturbed, or the right for a black majority to have civil rights in their own land? Which matters most, the right of a motorist to cruise up a Wellington street without disruption, or the right not to wind up dead in a South African police station?
For all your talk about the right to protest being sacrosanct blah blah blah…. I think I sniff a social conservative who will take the safe path of bowing to the will of the establishment rather than putting himself at risk in the service of a just cause for the greater good. Or maybe you used to be a radical but the fire has cooled in your belly as the arthritis set into the knees?
” I don’t idealise rashness and violence as being a solution to anything.”
Where did I or anyone else say we see violence as being a solution to anything. Obstruction in and of itself is not violence.
And by the way, as you make it quite clear you’re not the protesting type, that you do not believe in confronting authority, why does the fact that I suggested that your preferred method of protesting would probably be at some considerable remove from the action make me a “nasty little man”.
The debate is about the role of the State in the defense of citizens rights and how it balances, ethically and philosophically speaking, the small issues like laws against obstruction against the large issues like civil and human rights. The ultimate question is, does the State have a MORAL right to criminalize people who are breaking small laws in the defense of large causes. Gandhi for example.
This would be the same Gandhi who practised PASSIVE RESISTANCE? Although admittedly he rationalised that in the knowledge that with a population that size a few million dead here and there wouldn’t matter in the long run.
I suspect you’re making shit up. I’d like a citation showing that Gandhi ever made any such calculation. In the end the people who followed him did so freely because they were prepared to risk whatever actions the state (British Empire) took against them because they found that existing under the yoke of that Empire worse than death. Unlike you some people are prepared to risk their lives for great causes.
“Unlike you some people are prepared to risk their lives for great causes.”
Well aren’t you a romantic delusional arsehat, red for the blood of the martyrs. Oh how amusing you are. Dead people don’t really get to make changes, silly. Better a live dog than a dead lion.
“If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest Gentile German might, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance, but would have confidence that in the end the rest were bound to follow my example. If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy […] the calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the God-fearing, death has no terror.”
Gandhi, M.K. “The Jews” Harijan 26 November 1938 (The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi vol. 74, p. 240)
“…there should be unadulterated non-violent non-cooperation, and if the whole of India responded and unanimously offered it, I should show that, without shedding a single drop of blood, Japanese arms – or any combination of arms – can be sterilized. That involves the determination of India not to give quarter on any point whatsoever and to be ready to risk loss of several million lives. But I would consider that cost very cheap and victory won at that cost glorious. That India may not be ready to pay that price may be true. I hope it is not true, but some such price must be paid by any country that wants to retain its independence. After all, the sacrifice made by the Russians and the Chinese is enormous, and they are ready to risk all. The same could be said of the other countries also, whether aggressors or defenders. The cost is enormous. Therefore, in the non-violent technique I am asking India to risk no more than other countries are risking and which India would have to risk even if she offered armed resistance.”
Gandhi, M.K. “Non-violent Non-cooperation” Harijan 24 May 1942, p. 167 (The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi vol. 82, p. 286; interview conducted 16 May 1942)
If people like me are arsehats and Gandhi is a calculating monster by your reckoning, Populuxe, then I’m happy to side with Gandhi. I’ll also have to concede that any similarity between yourself and a fully functioning moral human being is just a coincidence. Good night and good luck. Keep re-reading the Gandhi. You might come to understand him eventually.
You have a nasty habit of putting words in people’s mouths that they never said and attributing ideas to them which they never thought. It is really most unattractive. In fact you seem to be one of those people who believes in nothing much other than personal preservation and not rocking the boat. News flash, the world will only change for the better if some people are prepared to take risks to make it happen. How many times have you left the herd and taken a risk for a matter of principle Pop? Is there any principle you’d risk it all for?
Well aren’t you a sad old throwback. The reality is positive change will only happen with education and freely given cooperation, not theatrics that will probably alienate more people than it will convert.
I will go before you and make the crooked paths straight;
I will break in pieces the gates of bronze and cut the bars of iron
-Isaiah 45:2
For I will contend with him
who contends with you
-Isaiah 49:25
For all who live by the sword…
Blessed are the meek for they shall…(game theory)
For what greater thing can a man do than to…
Not a nationalist myself, who would be in this day and age! (although I understand Inglorious Bastards).
and the nation that endured the greatest number of fatalities during the Second World War was…
(I’m half-way through that book on the 24th)
…before H.Rel. I would have just kept my head down and soldiered on too. Love the author’s (Armin Bottger) attitude.
The amount of death that the USSR saw during that war is simply staggering.
One in eight Ukranians, dead. And Stalin, well it seemed like losing 200K Red Army soldiers here, losing another 200K over there and yet another 200K further on, was just par for the course.
Mind you, 4 out of every 5 German divisions which were ultimately destroyed in WWII were destroyed by the Soviet Union, not by the Allies. That’s a lot of heavy lifting by the Reds.
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Excerpts from Being and Being Bought, by Kajsa Ekis Ekman, Spinifex Press, 2013. Part 4 Ekman, a Swedish journalist and critic, brings together a Marxist and feminist analysis of prostitution and surrogacy in this groundbreaking book. This is the fourth part of a synopsis and brief commentary of the book by Daphna ...
The Democracy Virus: China’s authoritarian political system enables a level of social surveillance and control that liberal democratic societies cannot match. The Chinese Government makes full use of the latest digital technology to both punish – and reward – its citizens. The plans it formulates cannot be challenged, or hindered. Where ...
Another day, another IPCA report on criminal conduct by policy. This time they kicked a child in the head when he was handcuffed:Police chased him and yelled out for him to stop. When he turned to face the police, he threatened them with a hammer. That's when the officers tasered ...
The investigation of two of the five parties in Parliament for fraud around their election donations has pushed the issue of party funding back into the spotlight. And while there are obvious things we can do to tighten up the donations regime - a much lower declaration threshold, realtime disclosure ...
While the south of New Zealand has been struggling with too much rain in recent days, here in the north we are so very short of it (though Saturday’s forecast looks promising). Basically, we have had almost none since Christmas.As someone who relies on rain to wash the car, ...
Former National Party MP Jami-Lee RossIt comes as no surprise that Jami-Lee Ross has been named as one of the defendants in the X2 $100,000 National Party donations case currently before the courts. Click bait journalists who were chaffing at the bit to discredit the former senior whip had already ...
Stand Clear! Winston Peters is encouraging voters to think of RNZ as belonging to “The Media Party”. He wants them to see it as a politically partisan institution with its own, vicious attack-dogs in the electoral fight. If he succeeds, it will be, and probably should be, the end of ...
"You're going to need a longer runway" Gratton et al explore the ongoing effects of upward-creeping temperatures on aviation in Greece in the period since 1955 at a range of airports in that country. For longer runways impacts are measurable but with little impact on operations. For airports with shorter runways, ...
In mid-December the Israeli secret police, the Shin Beit, revealed it had arrested dozens of Palestinian left-wing activists, including members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), in the previous few months. Among those arrested was one of the central leaders of the PFLP, Khalida Jarrar. As ...
Former National Party chief whip Jami-Lee Ross is one of the four people charged over National's multiple fraudulent donations. How unsurprising. Meanwhile, just days ago National leader Simon Bridges was trying to pretend the charges were nothing to do with his party. Yeah, right. When your chief whip effectively publicly ...
If you've been watching FYI for a while, you'll have noticed that the police have a bad habit of demanding ID from requesters. They have apparently been repeatedly told to stop doing this by the Ombudsman, but we all know what law enforcement thinks of the law, so thye keep ...
Collateral Damage: For the Green Phoenix to be reborn, the funeral pyre so patiently assembled by its identity politicians over the course of many fractious years – but with growing intensity over the past three – first has to be ignited. The terrible probability, of course, is that, in setting ...
If you follow politics in New Zealand you've likely noticed that the right wing have been going on and on about the Coalition Government failing to reduce poverty. In fact they’ve been incessantly claiming, in the absence of any conclusive data, that poverty has been getting worse.Yesterday, NewstalkZB reported:Mike Hosking: ...
The Herald reported over the weekend that an Auckland business owner is being targeted with asset forfeiture laws over a workplace death:A workplace fatality has seen police use a law usually associated with drugs and organised crime to seize millions of dollars in assets from a business owner because of ...
Just days after talking about how people feel "squeezed" and promising tax and service cuts as a "solution", National is talking about cancelling a rise in the minimum wage if elected: National is considering scrapping the Government's planned minimum wage increase if it wins this year's election, the party's finance ...
Nobody thinks about the next century anymore. That at least is Sci-Fi writer William Gibson’s observation (in this BBC 4 short interview, starting at 1:43:50 ). He calls it “Futures Fatigue”, but isn’t judgemental about it. Gibson notes that in the 20th century speculation about the 21st (and beyond) was common. Now ...
A Labour government desperate for the numbers crawls into bed with Winston Peters. Winston ignores the law and secretly takes money under the table from someone. When it is exposed just months out from an election, he is investigated by the Serious Fraud Office. That's what happened back in 2008. ...
So the Serious Fraud Office has another secret $100,050 National Party donation before the Courts in a major scandal that looks set to quash any chances Simon Bridges had of winning the 2020 election.Yesterday, Newsroom reported:The Serious Fraud Office prosecution of four people over donations to the National Party involves ...
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Prof Philippa Howden-ChapmanHousing policy is building up to be the key election issue again. In this blog I reflect on the importance of the role of the New Zealand Government in improving access to affordable housing. I look at what the Government has been doing to increase quality public housing ...
Writing on The Spinoff, Danyl Mclauchlan argues that we have a vacuum in our political system, in that there is no longer an anti-establishment party anymore:I think there’s a vacuum in our political system. There are obvious problems with the status quo but no real critics offering reform. It’s a ...
Stuff today has a piece about the government discovering it has been oversubsidising polluters for a decade under the Emissions Trading scheme:The Government is pledging to urgently fix an issue within the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), after it emerged some polluters are likely being over-compensated with taxpayer-funded carbon credits. [...] ...
The Marlborough District Council, tired of public scrutiny, wants to increase the amount it charges for LGOIMA requests:The cost of requesting official information from Marlborough's government agency could almost double after a jump in "fishing expeditions". Charges could be raised from $60 to $100 an hour for information supplied by ...
When Winston Peters was caught money laundering donations and stalking journalists, the Greens were conspicuous by their silence. It was another example of how getting along with their government partners was eroding their values and their own reputation. It was obviously unsustainable, and so now James Shaw has finally spoken ...
I am among the most pro-free speech people I know. I don’t doubt there are others more strident than me, but I’m certainly up there. And my support for freedom of expression isn’t limited to opposition to government-imposed restrictions. It extends to a belief that employers should have limited powers ...
With over 69,000 confirmed cases and 1,600 deaths, here’s your round-up of the latest coronavirus news. New disease and virus have now officially been named On the 11th February, the WHO Director General announced a new name for the disease: COVID-19 which is short for coronavirus disease 2019. The naming ...
A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Feb 9, 2020 through Sat, Feb 15, 2020 Editor's Pick ANALYSIS-Climate change opens up 'frontier' farmland, but at what cost to the planet?Climate change could expand farmland globally by ...
After cross-examination Jones knew he would lose the defamation case he took against film maker Renae Maihi. That’s why he threw in the towel. The weight of evidence was clearly against the old tycoon with the defense presenting fifty articles to confirm Jones’ racist views.Being unable to harass somebody into ...
Sprung! Former NZ First president, Lester Gray, chats with RNZ's Guyon Espiner in the carpark of a Tauranga shopping centre.(Photo supplied anonymously to NZ First and The BFD.)IT’S CLEAR THAT an important aspect of Jacinda Ardern’s political success is her willingness to seek – and take – advice. This ...
Ruth Cunningham, Charlotte Paul, Andrew MoorePublic health responses to infectious diseases such as COVID-19 require us to draw on our common humanity and be explicit about our values. Recognising this will help us make good decisions in difficult situations so that, for example, the need to impose restrictive measures ...
The Helen Clark Foundation has released its report on the housing crisis, and found that house-hoarders are to blame for it:Property investors are to blame for New Zealand's high house prices, a new research paper published by the Helen Clark Foundation says. [...] McArthur said previous attempts to address housing ...
The Abortion Legislation Committee has reported back on the Abortion Legislation Bill and recommended that it be passed with some amendments. Unfortunately, the latter include even more hoops to jump through for those seeking abortions after 20 weeks, including a time-wasting requirement to consult a second doctor. No-one casually seeks ...
Brexit is likely to be a disaster for the UK (how sad, never mind). But now that they're out of the EU, the latter has finaly taken the opportunity to blacklist one of their key tax havens:The Cayman Islands, a British overseas territory, is to be put on an EU ...
I’m not quite sure of what to make of the new figures for COVID-19 (as we must now call the novel coronavirus – though I’m not sure the capitalisation is correct) from Hubei province:Image from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51495484The spike yesterday is a consequence of a using a different way of ...
Bob Jones has dropped his defamation case against Renae Maihi. Good. But at the same time, it perfectly exposes what the case was all about: not protecting Jones' reputation, but punishing someone who had dared to criticise him, and deterring others from doing the same. This rich pompous asshat dragged ...
As I've done for the past few years, I'm curating and presenting The Listening Lounge, the talk programme at Splore. On the morning of Saturday the 22nd at the Living Lounge stage, the korero goes like this.Yes, we're talking about drugs again, not just because I'm professionally interested in drug ...
What Were They Thinking? RNZ's CEO Paul Thompson (left) and Jim Mather, Chairman of the RNZ Board of Governors, attempt to justify the debacle arising out of their attempt to downgrade RNZ Concert to the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Select Committee at Parliament on Thursday, 13 February 2020.WHAT IS ...
Dame Tariana Turia with former PM John KeyWhat is it about Tariana Turia’s grudge against the Labour Party? Not content with attacking the Government over Whānau Ora funding, which was increased by $80 million in 2019, she has now made it personal by saying that Jacinda Ardern is out of her ...
Back in 2017, right after being elected, Jacinda Ardern promised that there would be no new mines on conservation land. Since then, her government has done nothing to make that happen, and now the policy has been officially "parked" for the election:West Coast-Tasman MP Damien O'Connor says the "no new ...
So the guy who advocated for public burning and beheading feels offended because someone called him a racist!Perhaps Bob Jones hasn't heard of the very old saying; Live by the sword, die by the sword?I mean for someone who often writes opinionated nonsense about Maori; this is a ridiculous case ...
The government today announced a major support package aimed at reducing homelessness. A thousand new transitional housing places, more support for people to find homes (or not lose them in the first place), all good stuff. The one problem with it is that they're going to start charging people in ...
Courtroom Drama: There is no off-switch in a courtroom. Neither is it possible to turn the page in disgust. Ill-formed and ill-defended opinions will be exposed ruthlessly and unapologetically. As Shakespeare put it: “Reputation is an idle and most false imposition; oft got without merit, and lost without deserving.” Sometimes the ...
As of today, the novel coronavirus spreading in China is called COVID-19. Why does it matter? Around the office, we’ve had several conversations over the past few weeks about how 2019-nCoV needed its own name. First, it was getting annoying calling it by the above designation, and ‘novel coronavirus’ doesn’t ...
by Philip Ferguson Last month B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, reported: “In 2019, Israeli security forces killed 133 Palestinians, including 28 minors. Of the casualties, 104 were killed in the Gaza Strip, 26 in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and three within ...
A ballot for a single Member's Bill was held today, and the following bill was drawn: Arms (Firearms Prohibition Orders) Amendment Bill (No 2) (Brett Hudson)Its basicly more "tough on crime" nonsense (its already illegal for unlicensed people to own guns) designed to wedge NZ First against its arsehole base. ...
In 2015 the world agreed to the Paris Agreement to fight climate change. Each country would offer a Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) "that it intends to achieve", and "pursue domestic mitigation measures, with the aim of achieving [it]". And every five years, they'd improve on it, ratcheting up ambition until ...
In theory, the emissions trading scheme should reduce emissions. Making polluters pay for permits to pollute lets them save money by reducing pollution, giving them a financial incentive to do the right thing. But right from the start the ETS was broken with a system of free allocation, so polluters ...
Irish voters went to the polls on Saturday in parliamentary elections, and perhaps delivered a political revolution. Since independence, Irish politics has been dominated by two parties, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. Basicly patronage networks with indistinguishable policies, their cleavage isn't ideology, but who killed whose father or grandfather in ...
Once again the Aotearoa Bike Challenge is on us, and once again I’m participating. In principle this is not hard because it does not represent a significant switch in behavior for me. I already bike nearly every day. The Bicycle The fascinating thing about cycling is the realisation that this ...
Lately there has been a great deal of misinformation regarding the origins and purpose of Skeptical Science. As John Cook wrote nearly a decade ago, Skeptical Science is primarily a website that debunks climate misinformation with peer-reviewed science. Despite the ever-worsening impacts from climate change, with record after record being broken in ...
Under Attack: By sacking not only RNZ Concert’s presenters, but also its producers and librarians, and reducing the station to an automated purveyor of classical music in-between parliamentary broadcasts, RNZ’s CEO, Paul Thompson, wasn’t simply announcing an operational shake-up, he was declaring war on one of the most important guardians of ...
Story of the Week... Editorial of the Week... Toon of the Week... Quote of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Reviews... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... Australian smoke plume sets recordsThe recent wildfires in Australia sent one of ...
The Global Protest to #FightInequality was powerful – thankyou and what next? Dear allies, We started the decade with a huge protest to #FightInequality that was heard around the world, including the 1% at Davos. Watch and share the highlights on facebook and twitter. A huge thank you. Together we ...
The Ministry of Health have announced a package that might ensure NZ will never experience another measles epidemic. While at the time of writing the details are still limited it appears that the important limitations in our current programme have been acknowledged and the intent is to address them. Great ...
Prof Nick Wilson, Prof Michael BakerIn this blog we briefly summarise our assessment of the highly uncertain new coronavirus threat. Given its potential to become a severe and prolonged global pandemic, a precautionary response now means activating all components of our pandemic plan, with a particular focus on ‘keep ...
When Labour was running for election, Jacinda Ardern famously said that climate change was "my generation's nuclear free moment". The implication was that her government would take the problem seriously, and act swiftly to reduce emissions. The reality:New Zealand will emit a million more tonnes of greenhouse gases in 2020 ...
James Renwick is Professor of Physical Geography at Victoria University of Wellington. He studied at Canterbury and the University of Washington and has worked on diverse aspects of climate science, including global atmospheric circulation and Antarctic sea ice. In December 2019 he was appointed to the New Zealand Climate Change ...
by Philip Ferguson Exit polls are showing a three-way virtual tie between the main parties in the south of Ireland. Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are all on just over 22%. FG on 22.4, SF on 22.3, FF on 22.2. Exit polls indicate that over 30% of 18-24 ...
A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Feb 2, 2020 through Sat, Feb 8, 2020 Editor's Pick New Report Details How Fossil Fuel Industry's Climate Destruction Also Exacerbates Human Rights Abuses"Even in the face of the ...
In a previous post I described briefly when and how the Starlink satellite chains – recent launches by Space-X in a scheme to bring 5G internet connectivity to the whole globe – could be seen from New Zealand with the naked eye. Here I provide an update and predictions for ...
Keeping The Faith: This Government’s broad, new, heavily moderated, progressive faith does not require a prime minister with the powers of a medieval pope. Jacinda’s regime has no need of subterranean torture chambers to ensure compliance. A gift for diplomacy and the ability to inspire her fellow human-beings is all ...
Jonathan Freedland of the Guardian has penned a column which chastises the left wing of the Labour party for daring to retain principles and ideals, qualities - it seems - that should be jettisoned in pursuit of power.Never mind that Freedland was an ardent Remainer, that is to say, one ...
Today New Zealand First made a pledge to campaign at the election to fund St John Ambulance the 90 per cent it has asked for. Government funding would allow St. John’s to achieve fully funded status. Leader of New Zealand First, Rt Hon Winston Peters publicly declared his determination to deliver ...
Darroch Ball MP, Spokesperson for Law and Order Newly released Police data shows once again the number of fleeing drivers have continued to skyrocket with a record 512 incidents occurring in December – almost tripling the number of incidents occurring just ten years ago, says New Zealand First Law and ...
While the Provincial Growth Fund has provided $2 million to set up temporary water supplies in Kaikohe and Kaitaia, Regional Economic Minister Shane Jones said he is greatly concerned that there are “issues” in implementing the projects. The Minister said the immediate solution was to pipe water from a bore ...
Mark Patterson MP, New Zealand First List MP for Clutha-Southland NZ First is calling on Rio Tinto to accept its responsibilities to the Southland community and enable the immediate removal of the toxic Aluminium Dross from the Mataura Paper Mill site. New Zealand First List MP for Clutha-Southland, Mark Patterson ...
The Coalition Government has announced that a further $500,000 will be given to help residents in Southland and Otago to speed up recovery efforts from the floods. It follows prior government assistance of $200,000 earlier this month where the Southland Mayoral Relief Fund received $100,000 to support communities impacted by ...
Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones was on RNZ’s Morning Report talking about the recent droughts in the Northland region and what the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is doing to alleviate its impact. The PGF recently announced a funding of $2 million for temporary water supplies to Kaikohe and Kaitaia, ...
Speaking to The Country’s Jamie Mackay, New Zealand First MP and Cabinet Minister Shane Jones talks water storage, plant-based meat imitation, and superstar Hollywood director James Cameron. While water storage may have its critics, Minister Jones defended the scheme by saying: “unless we invest and continue to invest” in this ...
Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones is accusing northern iwi leaders of selling out Māori by voting for ideologically-driven court cases rather than practical steps to increase water supply. “I just think that iwi leaders who think that water issues are going to be solved by perpetually fighting in the ...
A dairy owner in St Kilda, Dunedin was delighted to hear that an attempted robbery of his establishment was foiled by a government-funded security system. Sean Lee was delighted at how well the anti-theft smoke system worked. When a knife-wielding man entered the store, the shop assistant immediately pressed a ...
Customs says it stopped more than three tonnes of illegal drugs coming into New Zealand last year. This includes 1,180kg of methamphetamine, 329kg of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine precursors, which could have been converted into 246kg of methamphetamine, 739kg and 6469 pills of MDMA or Ecstasy and 60kg of cocaine. Offshore, ...
Hon. Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development Up to $2 million will be allocated from the Provincial Growth Fund to set up temporary water supplies in Kaikohe and Kaitaia where drought is biting hard, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. Drought conditions in Northland have led to ...
Darroch Ball, Spokesperson for Law and Order New Zealand First welcomes the deployment of an Eagle Police helicopter in Christchurch in what is a step towards fulfilling its long-standing goal to increase the use of police helicopters for the front line, particularly in addressing the scourge of fleeing drivers. Christchurch leads ...
It may have been the first sitting week of 2020, but our Government is already in full-swing - managing a strong economy, investing in infrastructure, and working to break the cycle of homelessness. Read below for all that, and more... ...
In a heated debate in Parliament, National's Deputy Leader Paula Bennett claimed that “nearly 1600 patched gang members have been added” since the Coalition Government took power. To illustrate her point, she altered a chart used by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to show her government’s progress in housing to instead ...
Speech by the Rt Hon Winston Peters at Parliament’s Opening 2020 "We all need insurance" This year New Zealanders are going to have a clear choice to make That choice is between: Optimism versus pessimism; More progress versus back to the future; Investment versus divestment; Unity versus division. New Zealand ...
Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones has slammed the Board of Auckland Airport following the airport's runway closing twice within two weeks due to maintenance. Around 2,000 passengers were affected by last week’s runway closures, according to 1NEWS. Another maintenance closure on January 24 saw two international flights and three domestic flights ...
Jenny Marcroft, Spokesperson for Broadcasting New Zealand First supports the commissioning of a business case to assess the viability of a new public media entity. “A strong media environment is critical for a healthy democracy. New Zealand First is a strong supporter of a diverse, independent media,” New Zealand First broadcasting spokesperson ...
Pounamou and technology industries in the West Coast region are set to receive more than $2 million in Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) funding. This was announced by the Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau during Waitangi Day commemorations in Hokitika. He said $800,000 would be given to Development West ...
Clayton Mitchell MP, New Zealand First spokesperson for Labour and Industrial Relations Unemployment and wage growth numbers released by Stats NZ today demonstrate a labour market in good shape with unemployment falling to 4.0%, the underutilisation rate falling to an 11 year low, and wage growth at a 10-year high ...
Hon. Ron Mark, New Zealand First Spokesperson for Defence New Zealand First Spokesperson for Defence Ron Mark, welcomes the official opening of Te Rau Aroha, a new museum at Waitangi Treaty Grounds as part of our Coalition Agreement. “It is a great honour to be part of an effective Government ...
Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, Deputy Prime MinisterGood morning,Let us start with important acknowledgements.First, this special day, in remembrance of the 28th Maori Battalion, is also to honour all those men and women who have risked their lives in the service of our country.Second, special guest Robert ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand will look to build on its relationship with the United Kingdom and recommit to the European Union, after the country officially left the continental union recently. The Minister said New Zealand already cooperates closely with Britain on defence and security issues and has ...
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will visit two of New Zealand’s most important Pacific partners, Fiji and Australia, next week. The visit to Fiji will be the first by a New Zealand Prime Minister in four years and comes during the 50th anniversary of Fijian independence and diplomatic relations between our ...
Justice Minister Andrew Little and New Zealand First MP Darroch Ball, have today announced the appointment of the Chief Commissioner of the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), the location, and the membership of the Establishment Advisory Group. Colin Carruthers QC has been appointed Chief Commissioner of the CCRC for an ...
Māori Development Minister Hon Nanaia Mahuta and Agriculture Minister Hon Damien O’Connor co-announced the first horticultural finalists for the Ahuwhenua Trophy celebrating excellence in the Māori agricultural sector. The three finalists are Ngai Tukairangi Trust from Mt Maunganui, Otama Marere Trust from Tauranga, and Hineora Orchard Te Kaha 15B Ahuwhenua ...
A new kete of resources to strengthen support for students with dyslexia will provide extra tools for the new Learning Support Coordinators (LSCs) as they start in schools, Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The Minister launched the kete in Wellington this morning, at the first of three induction ...
The Government continues to make progress on a fairer and more secure rental market for renters and landlords with the First Reading of the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill and its referral to the Social Services and Community Select Committee. “Now is the opportunity for landlords, tenants and others who want ...
Papua New Guinea’s Prime Minister Hon James Marape will visit New Zealand from 21-25 February, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. “New Zealand and Papua New Guinea have a warm and friendly relationship. I look forward to welcoming Prime Minister Marape here and strengthening the relationship between our two countries,” ...
Thousands of children have begun receiving a free lunch on every day of the school week, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. The Government’s free and healthy school lunch programme is under way for 7,000 students at 31 schools in Hawke’s Bay / Tairāwhiti and Bay of Plenty / Waiariki, extending ...
The Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni today announced a new approach that continues to broaden the Government’s social sector focus from a narrow, investment approach to one centred on people and wellbeing. Minister Sepuloni said redefining the previous approach to social investment by combining science, data and lived experience ...
The Government is strengthening the Protected Disclosures Act to provide better protection for whistle blowers, Minister of State Services Chris Hipkins said today. “The Protected Disclosures Act is meant to encourage people to speak up about serious wrongdoing in the workplace and protect them from losing their jobs or being ...
Nǐn hǎo (Hello in Mandarin). Xīn Nián Kuài Lè (Happy New Year in Mandarin) Néi Hóu (Hello in Cantonese). Sun Nin Fai Lok (Happy New Year in Cantonese) Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Thank you for your invitation to attend this celebration today. I would like to acknowledge ...
Kia ora. Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou katoa. Nau mai haere mai ki te Whare Pāremata. E ngā mana whenua ki tēnei rohe Taranaki Whānui, Te Upoko o Te Ika, Ngāti Toa Rangatira, Ngāti Raukawa – kei te mihi, kei te mihi, kei te mihi. E ngā mana, e ...
Kia ora. Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou katoa. Nau mai haere mai ki te Whare Pāremata. E ngā mana whenua ki tēnei rohe Taranaki Whānui, Te Upoko o Te Ika, Ngāti Toa Rangatira, Ngāti Raukawa – kei te mihi, kei te mihi, kei te mihi. E ngā mana, e ngā ...
Tougher penalties for gun crime are a step closer with the passage of firearms reform legislation through another stage in Parliament. The Arms Legislation Bill has tonight passed its Second Reading. “The changes have one objective - to prevent firearms falling into the wrong hands,” said Police Minister Stuart Nash. ...
Introduction Mr Speaker We all know why we are here today. It has been a long journey. The journey did not actually begin on 15 March 2019. It began on 30 June 1997. Almost 23 years ago, Justice Sir Thomas Thorp told us what was wrong with our firearms legislation. ...
The Government’s work to put trades and vocational education back on the agenda took another major step forward today with the passing of the Education (Vocational Education and Training Reform) Amendment Bill, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “This is a watershed day for trades and vocational education. These law changes formalise ...
Speeding up the return of Christchurch regeneration activities to local leadership is behind the Greater Christchurch Regeneration Amendment Bill introduced to Parliament today by Minister Megan Woods. “As we approach nine years since the February 2011 earthquake in Canterbury, and with the transition to local leadership well underway, the time ...
Hundreds of New Zealanders and international visitors will be able to get back out into nature with the Milford Track partially reopening next week, after extensive assessments and repairs, the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage announced today. The popular Great Walk has been closed since 3 February after an extreme ...
Up to 110 new EV chargers nationwide in cities and regions 50 electric vehicles for ride-sharing The Government is helping deliver more infrastructure and options for low emissions transport through new projects, Energy and Resources Minister Dr Megan Woods says. Tauranga, Nelson, Levin, New Plymouth and Oamaru are just some ...
New Zealanders are increasingly better off under this Government as wages rise and families have more disposable income, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. Stats NZ reported today that average household disposable incomes after housing costs rose 4.9% in 2019. This was the highest rise in four years and came as ...
All New Zealanders need to have their voices heard at work to ensure we have an inclusive and productive economy. Today we introduce a Bill to do this for workers in the New Zealand screen industry, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. “The Screen Industry Workers Bill will ...
The Government has announced further help for the Southland and Otago regions to speed up recovery efforts from the floods. “I’ve approved Enhanced Taskforce Green (ETFG), making $500,000 available to help with the clean-up in Fiordland, Southland, and the Clutha district in Otago,” Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni said. ...
Following the announcement that more than 340 schools will be funded to run events promoting vocational education, the Government has announced it will fund a further 257 events to be run by employers and industry. “These industry-run events will allow more than 30,000 students to connect with more than 2,000 ...
Today the Government is making progress on a fairer and more secure rental market for renters and landlords with the introduction of the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill in Parliament. “This Bill includes a series of reforms to improve the wellbeing of the 609,700 households that live in rented homes, and ...
A Government programme to wipe out pea weevil has achieved a world first, with Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor today announcing the successful eradication of the noxious pest from Wairarapa. This means the nearly four-year ban on pea plants and pea straw was lifted today. Commercial and home gardeners can again grow ...
Southland residents hit by flooding caused by heavy rainfall can now access help finding temporary accommodation with the Government activating the Temporary Accommodation Service, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare announced today. “The Temporary Accommodation Service (TAS) has been activated by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment to help ...
“Is that it?” That’s Finance Minister Grant Robertson’s response to Simon Bridges’ much-hyped economic speech today. “Simon Bridges just gave the most over-hyped and under-delivered speech that I can remember during my time in politics,” Grant Robertson said. “It’s not surprising. Simon Bridges literally said on the radio this morning ...
A trial deployment of the Police Eagle helicopter in Christchurch will test whether the aircraft would make a significant difference to crime prevention and community safety. “The Bell 429 helicopter will be based in Christchurch for five weeks, from 17 February to 20 March,” said Police Minister Stuart Nash. “The ...
The Government has kept up the pace of its work to promote New Zealand’s trade interests and diversify our export markets, with visits to Fiji and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) by Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker. Building momentum to bring the PACER Plus trade and development agreement ...
The Coalition Government’s investment in a strong border and disrupting transnational organised crime produced record results for stopping drugs in 2019, says Minister of Customs Jenny Salesa. The illegal drugs were seized at the New Zealand border by Customs, and overseas by Customs’ international border partners before the drugs could ...
Transport Minister Phil Twyford today kicked off construction of a separated cycleway alongside Tamaki Drive. A two-way separated cycleway will be built along the northern side of Tamaki Drive, between the Quay Street Cycleway extension and Ngapipi Road. There will be a separate walking path alongside. Phil Twyford said giving ...
Owner-occupiers of unit and apartments living in earthquake-prone buildings will have certainty about the financial support they’ll be eligible for with the release of criteria for an upcoming assistance scheme, Minister for Building and Construction Jenny Salesa says. The Residential Earthquake-Prone Building Financial Assistance Scheme will help unit owners facing ...
Temporary restrictions on travel from China will remain in place as a precautionary measure to protect against the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus. The restrictions which prevent foreign nationals travelling from, or transiting through, mainland China from entering New Zealand have been extended for a further 8 days. This position ...
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All parents and caregivers need to ensure that their children go to school unless they are sick, Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin said today. “The school attendance results for 2019 show, across the board, a drop in the number of students going to school regularly,” the Minister says. “Apart from ...
A Deed of Settlement agreeing redress for historical Treaty claims has been signed by the Crown and Moriori at Kōpinga Marae on Rēkohu (Chatham Islands) today, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little has announced. Moriori have a tradition of peace that extends back over 600 years. This settlement ...
Transport Minister Phil Twyford today with Māori King Tuheitia Pōtatau Te Wherowhero VII officially opened the country’s newest road, the $384 million Huntly section of the Waikato Expressway. The 15km four-lane highway with side and central safety barriers takes State Highway 1 east of Huntly town, across lowlands and streams ...
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Kaupapa Māori will underpin the Government’s new plan to deal with homelessness announced by the Prime Minister in Auckland this morning. “Māori are massively overrepresented among people experiencing homelessness, so, to achieve different outcomes for Māori, we have to do things very differently,” says the Minister of Māori Development ...
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The Ministry of Education is proposing a number of changes to NCEA Level One, including the merging of several subjects to be phased in over the next five years. Felix Walton looks into how, and why, these changes are happening.Why are they changing things now?They aren’t changing things now, per ...
Pacific Media Centre Chinese authorities are systematically harassing Uyghurs and other Muslim ethnic groups even after they have left the country, according to new testimonies gathered by Amnesty International. Uyghur New Zealanders were among those interviewed, despite the threat of further intimidation. The case studies, published online today, reveal ...
A victim of the Generate KiwiSaver hack is considering legal action to seek compensation for stress and the risk of identity theft. One of the 26,000 KiwiSavers who had personal information, including their physical address, IRD number, bank statements and identification, stolen by an unknown third party has sought advice ...
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Kiwibank's first half profit is down on flat revenue growth and increased operations and compliance costs. The New Zealand-owned bank's net profit fell 18 percent to $51 million in the six months to December, compared with the year earlier's $62m. "As expected the bank faced rising operating costs due to ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Michelle Grattan talks with Assistant Professor Caroline Fisher about the week in politics, including the extension of the coronavirus travel ban, the royal commission into the bushfires, and labor’s stance on a compulsory superannuation guarantee ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mary Steen, Professor of Midwifery, University of South Australia In a new parenting podcast, Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge, said she used hypnobirthing techniques to help her get through severe morning sickness – a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum. She also used the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Samuel Alexander, Research fellow, Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute, University of Melbourne This article is the first in a three-part series on radical ideas to solve the environmental crisis. As the Productivity Commission confirmed this week, Australia’s economy has enjoyed uninterrupted growth for ...
The Nats are accusing Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor of being slow to act on a tuberculosis outbreak in Hawke’s Bay. Is it a fair cop? OSPRI confirmed an outbreak in Hawke’s Bay in April last year, but a disease management response wasn’t put in place until October, National agriculture spokesman ...
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The sentencing of Grace Millane’s killer to life in prison with a minimum non-parole period of 17 years marks the end of a judicial process that can only have been extremely harrowing for her family. They had already experienced the loss of their daughter, ...
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Pacific Media Watch An Australian federal court decision upholding the legality of the police raid on the Sydney headquarters of the national public broadcaster ABC last June has dealt a major blow to the protection of journalists’ sources and poses a grave danger for the future of public interest ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Before the Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi (Picador, $20)What is going on, Auckland? Is it just ...
A poem by US Poet Laureate Joy Harjo.The FightThe rising sun paints the feet of night-crawling enemies. And they scatter into the burning hills. I have fought each of them. I know them by name. From before I could speak. I’ve used every weapon. To make them retreat. Yet they ...
A string of toy companies are facing legal action for selling unsafe toys that pose choking hazards for young children. Yesterday, Cinevan International was fined $81,000 and another four companies are before the courts. Businesses have been using a sticker on the packaging saying 'not suitable for children under three' ...
The Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee, Gareth Hughes, is calling for public submissions on the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill, which was referred to the committee on 20 February 2020. The Residential Tenancies Act ...
ANALYSIS:By Johnny Blades of RNZ Pacific Papua New Guinea Prime Minister James Marape has embarked on a state visit to New Zealand. It is the first visit to New Zealand by a sitting PNG prime minister since Marape’s predecessor Peter O’Neill’s trip in 2013. Marape, who rolled O’Neill ...
Editor’s Note: Here below is a list of the main issues currently under discussion in New Zealand and links to media coverage.New Zealand Parliament Buildings, Wellington, New Zealand.Today’s contentDonations scandals Thomas Coughlan (Stuff): Who are the people at the centre of the SFO political donation row? Collette ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Giancaspro, Lecturer in Law, University of Adelaide When booking a luxury cruise, you generally expect relaxation and enjoyment, not forced quarantine and distress. Unfortunately, for the thousands of vacationers trapped on cruise ships in Asia the past month, what started as ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Courtney Hempton, Associate Research Fellow, Deakin University The Voluntary Assisted Dying Review Board has this week published a report detailing the first six months of the legislation in action in Victoria. The report reveals 52 people legally ended their lives from the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Blanca del Rosal Rabes, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Swinburne University of Technology Brain temperature is implicated in many common conditions including stroke, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, traumatic brain injury, and headaches. Changes in brain temperature can indicate there is a disease developing, but researchers ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Anthony Albanese will commit a Labor government to adopting a target of zero net emissions by 2050, in a speech titled “Leadership in a New Climate” to be delivered on Friday. The opposition leader’s embrace ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy N. W. Jackson, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Australian Venom Research Unit, University of Melbourne This is an article from I’ve Always Wondered, a series where readers send in questions they’d like an expert to answer. Send your question to alwayswondered@theconversation.edu.auWho would ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Benjamen Franklen Gussen, Lecturer in Law, Swinburne University of Technology In 1971, a Time magazine article, titled “Should New York City Be the 51st State?”, observed: States have not only short-changed and hamstrung their cities but are themselves the least creative ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ida Kubiszewski, Associate professor, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University Labor’s treasury spokesman, Jim Chalmers, wants to follow New Zealand’s example and introduce a “wellbeing budget” alongside the traditional budget that stresses economic growth, when Labor is next in office. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Fiona Andreallo, Honorary research fellow, University of Sydney A sea of oversized hair bows bobs through primary school gates each morning. It might be dismissed as a harmless children’s fad but big bows are back, driven by current fashions, tween influencers and ...
The Government of New Zealand has recognized that the country is facing a housing crisis, said Leilani Farha, UN Special Rapporteur on the right to housing, at the end of her visit to the country . “While the Government has taken important steps ...
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In today’s edition: Views on cannabis legalisation could hardly be tighter, the Papua New Guinea PM arrives in NZ, and bad light threatens cricket on the radio.A new poll published this morning finds that 46% of those surveyed would vote yes, and 44% no, with 10% undecided. That’s a markedly different ...
Actress Jennifer Ward-Lealand Te Atamira, a long-time champion of the arts, and te reo Māoriis the Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year for 2020. Mark Jennings reports on the night that honours the best of us. What does it mean to be a New Zealander? The question was posed by ...
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A rare visit by a prime minister of Papua New Guinea to New Zealand highlights a strong friendship, but one which could be closer, writes Johnny Blades for RNZ.Papua New Guinea’s James Marape has embarked on a state visit to New Zealand. It’s the first visit to New Zealand by ...
Plant-based food producers ‘stigmatise and demonise’ traditional agriculture, according to Jones, but those working in the new industry say it should be seen as an opportunity, not a threat. NZ First minister Shane Jones’ suggestion that plant-based food must be “stopped in its tracks” has been labelled concerning, negligent and anti-competitive ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Seen as a political narrative, the Morrison government’s handling of the coronavirus (COVID-19) fits the patterns of its approaches on border security and anti-terrorism. Stressing the central imperative is to “keep Australians safe”, it has ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The coronavirus is presenting a major threat to Australia’s education export industry, which is highly dependant upon the China market, and a huge challenge to the universities. Phil Honeywood, CEO of the International Education Association ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The corona virus is presenting a major threat to Australia’s education export industry, which is highly dependant upon the China market, and a huge challenge to the universities. Phillip Honeywood, CEO of the International Education ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stacey L Rowe, PhD candidate, Monash University Today’s evacuation of about 180 passengers from the cruise ship Diamond Princess to serve another period of quarantine back in Australia has raised questions about the best way to control spread of the coronavirus. The ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tess Hardy, Senior Lecturer in Law, University of Melbourne Australian supermarket giant Coles and discount chain Target this week joined an ignominious list of large corporations caught up in “wage theft” scandals. Coles confessed to underpaying salaried employees about A$20 million over ...
Parliament is now seeking public submissions on an international treaty that makes it possible to recover child or spousal support from someone who lives in another country. The Hague Convention on the International Recovery of Child Support and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Marissa Parrott, Reproductive Biologist, Wildlife Conservation & Science, Zoos Victoria, and Honorary Research Associate, BioSciences, University of Melbourne Since July last year, bushfires have burned more than 7.7 million hectares of southeast Australia, putting many threatened species at increased risk of extinction. ...
Business is Boring is a weekly podcast series presented by The Spinoff in association with Callaghan Innovation. Host Simon Pound speaks with innovators and commentators focused on the future of New Zealand. This week he talks to Pranav Chopra, founder and CEO of Nemi Teas.On Business is Boring this week, ...
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“A head teacher of a leading primary school has said young children should not have best friends because it could leave others feeling ostracised and hurt. But are people programmed to have best friends?”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22383453
Al1en no mates says what?
This is the kind of lunacy passed off as progressive / humanist philosophy that gives social conservatives a stick with which to beat progressive humanists. I can’t even begin to get on the same mental wavelength as the idiots who propound such facile notions. What kind of mind wakes up in the morning and thinks; “Eureka! We’ll save the lonely children from having hurt feelings by banning friendship and hugs among the children who are lucky enough to have discovered a friend.” A special kind of genius indeed..
My view is that this sort of rubbish comes from a defeated part of the wider “left” that gave up on all the important battles, but still wanted a few victories. It’s the same sort of rubbish that outlaws black as a colour for rubbish bins and is used to hold us all up to ridicule. I hate it, although not in the same way that Back Pussy Tamihere does.
Good analysis
But please, no more gender biased language, the fairer sex might get offended
Actually, if you look at the article, it comes from one published in the Daily Torygraph. The headmaster who suggested that best friends should be banned, is the head of a private prep school – hardly the bastion of left wing policy, I’d have thought. He said he’d support a policy against having best friends, as long as it was age appropriate: ie older kids could make up their own minds about it.
Actually, while I am totally happy with kids of any age choosing to have best friends, I think there’s a whole US-led thing that’s kind of institutionalised the whole best friends thing. They’ve made it seem almost compulsory.
I learned something about the US constitutional right to bear arms on Al Jazeera this morning, which gave a lot of times to the issue and the sanely mad gun lobby. It seems the 2nd amendment said that citizens have the right to bear arms as part of a well organised militia.
Well, it seems that is debated. However, the original intent of the amendment was relevant to the context of the time when the amendment was drawn up. At that time citizens’ militia were common because there wasn’t the organised military and National Guard that there is today.
Is that one of the problems of a written constitution? Seems like a good idea at the time and all makes sense but over the years it becomes so entrenced that changes are almost impossible and the Parlimentry process loses the capability to effect change.
America would be better off with fewer guns, most places are better of with fewer guns, but with the second amendment they always get stuck.
This is one of the things that concerns me about NZ creating a written constitution, who would write it? How would everyone ever agree? Will it still be relevant in 50 years? What would we be getting our great grand kids into? Will they spend all their time arguing that if the comma in paragraph seven of subsection 12a was placed four words to the left then nano heart valve replacement is a human right?
“This is one of the things that concerns me about NZ creating a written constitution, who would write it? How would everyone ever agree? Will it still be relevant in 50 years? “
Agree, Jane. The second amendment is the example I use of a problem with a written constitution. Unless it can be renegotiated to fit the times it will at some stage be inappropriate. And if it can be negotiated how is that any better than the lawmaking and judicial interpretation of laws that we have now?
We wouldn’t have to model our constitution after the US. The one South Africa adopted after the end of apartheid would be a better example to follow.
And remember, the second amendment was an amendment. It was itself a change to the constitution when the Bill of Rights was adopted.
We don’t need a constitution – it would be totally redundant in our mature, robust, flexible Westminster system. This is just the National Party’s thirty silver shekels to the Maori Party. And while the second amendment is an amendment, it has proven impossible for progressives to shift it. A constitution would just give conservatives and the right something to project on to.
identify then
Don’t be a tool.
well, I thought your comment was very deviceive.possibly even nailed it.
Your gnomic comment could be taken many ways
hope you are not brushing aside your own talents
We need something to act as a check on parliamentary supremacy, be it an upper house, an elected head of state with a right of veto or supreme law the courts can apply, I am uncomfortable with so much power in this country being concentrated in the hands of so few, especially with the civil liberties shenanigans in recent years such as the Search and Surveillance Act and the proposed changes to the GCSB legislation. It should be systematically impossible for lawmakers to override fundamental rights, not just a matter of trusting in them.
That’s why we have Separation of Powers and a Constitutional Monarchy.
The NZ system doesn’t have any separation of powers, the executive and the legislative branches are the same people, and the judicial branch has a duty to the Crown which is common with the other two branches.
Also, the NZ system is not a constitutional monarchy.
“Her Majesty therefore being desirous to establish a settled form of Civil Government”
http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/treaty/english.asp
New Zealand’s constitution is based on the principle of separation of powers between Parliament, executive government, and the judiciary through a series of constitutional safeguards, many of which are tacit. The Executive’s ability to carry out decisions often depends on the Legislature, which is elected under the Mixed Member Proportional system. This means the government is rarely a single party but a coalition of parties. The Judiciary is also free of government interference. If a series of judicial decisions result in an interpretation of the law which the Executive considers does not reflect the intention of the policy, the Executive can initiate changes to the legislation in question through the Legislature. The Executive cannot direct or request a judicial officer to revise or reconsider a decision;decisions are final. Should there be a dispute between the Executive and Judiciary, the Executive has no authority to direct the Judiciary, or its individual members and vice versa.
Yes, that’s what they tell the peasants, but it’s mostly bullshit.The separation of powers is a feature of Roman law called the triumvirate. The constitution is based on the unwritten constitution of England, which forms the basis of English common law and the law of the land in New Zealand. The civil law (originally Roman) and the common law (originally Judaic) are philosophically different systems, Roman law was the law of the empire and the predator, English law was the law of the land and the wellbeing of the people.
So basically you just said that New Zealand law is founded in English law and English law is “the law of the land and the wellbeing of the people”. Did you suffer whiplash with that confusing u-turn?
“It should be systematically impossible for lawmakers to override fundamental rights”
It is. But that doesn’t stop them pretending to make law regardless.
Which can and has been successfully challenged, often by means of an Ombudsman, the modern Tribune. And I can distinctly recall that even a total Nat like Chris Finlayson has actually performed his job as Attorney-General and told his party that a law they wanted to pass was unconstitutional.
Populuxel, the NZ system is a civil system, it is not the same as the English Westminster system.
In as much as we have MMP and other constitutional peculiarities unique to NZ, we still rely primarily on constitutional law (British model), not civil law (European model). We are still therefore a variation on the Westminster system.
That’s plainly wrong. The NZ body politic uses the European/civil model.
“Her Majesty therefore being desirous to establish a settled form of Civil Government”
http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/treaty/english.asp
Most people simply have no idea as to the extent and nature of the fraud committed by the state against the people of this country. The treaty was also a fraud, and the state misleads people about the nature of common law.
I really can’t be bothered trying to educate you on the various meanings of the word “civil”, but suffice to say “Civil Government” (general civility) doesn’t mean “Civil Law” (technical term for the European system of law making that evolved out of the Roman system)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)
Populuxel, your own source contradicts you.
Civil law (or civilian law) is a legal system originating in Western Europe, intellectualized within the framework of late Roman law, and whose most prevalent feature is that its core principles are codified into a referable system which serves as the primary source of law.
BTW, Wikipedia is crap for information on law.
Who is our head of state?
Written constitutions are good for constitutional lawyers. I’m happy with Te Tiriti, and would be happier with a stronger Bill of Rights, an Official Information Act with teeth, and a well funded and fiercely independent Ombudsman. The Soviet Union also had a wonderful constitution, and human rights were about as well protected there as they are in the US and A. The main danger of a Kiwi constitution is that it could be used to deny Te Tiriti and entrench pakeha ruling class privilege even further.
“The Soviet Union also had a wonderful constitution, and human rights were about as well protected there as they are in the US and A.”
Hahahahahahaha ahahahaha *snort* ahahahaha *snort snort* hahahahaha Oh my spleen hurts from laughing hahahahahahaha
The framers of the constitution thought that a standing army would be a tool of oppression, given their experience of British troops before the Revolution. So they wanted to make provision for a militia. There is provision for a navy in the US Constitution, but no army.
Sturm, Ruger is a leading manufacturer of firearms in the US.
They are currently selling 500,000 firearms a quarter, and has an order backlog of 2M firearms.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-29/weaponized-america-sturm-ruger-backlog-doubles-gun-production-shipments-surge
saw an article on the nooz about marketing of weapons to children in the US.”Daisy Daisy, give me an airgun too…”
If we’re serious about tackling law and order in NZ we should approve the concealed carry of handguns to anyone who passes a background check.
I mean, what could go wrong?
well, I might have for a start. (I grew up with the Molenaar crowd, his best mates sister etc).
”Daisy Daisy, give me an airgun too…”
“We’ll go shooting, our sister aged only two..”
The US Constitution was written by the rich and powerful behind closed doors. There is NOTHING moral or ethical about it.
Example: For purposes of representation in the House of Representatives, northern delegates said enslaved Negroes should not be counted as part of the population because they have no more rights than horses or dogs. The south wanted them counted as “voters” because in some areas slaves were 90% of the population. So the constitution says one slave is three-fifths of a voter!
The way to keep our laws and constitution contemporary is binding referendums which cannot be overturned by parliament.
There’s a really good primer on US history at http://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8dPuuaLjXtMwmepBjTSG593eG7ObzO7s
Yes, it was mainly money behind the revolution, but enlightenment philosophers like Locke had their impact too.
That’s what the 14th amendment is for.
Personally, I think the US constitution was ground breaking in its day in terms of assuring the rights of US citizens. Generally ignored now of course.
Orlov would say that the parallels between the USSR and the USA are now unmistakeable.
Agree with Viper. In it’s time the Constitution guaranteed freedoms, legally, like no other founding document.
Without wanting to sound too much like a libertarian…in the last ten years Federal intrusion into the life of ordinary US citizens has become massive.
Some estimates say that the US has spent $700B beefing up internal surveillance and security on its own citizens since 9/11.
And in the wake of the Boston marathon bombing the talk is to ramp this up even further. Even though hundreds of CCTV cameras, police, bomb squad sweeps, email and social media scanning in the immediate area etc couldn’t prevent it.
Yeah, but it was the privacy intrusions that might have prevented another. That’s the security compromise.
I was in favour of heightened security post9/11, not to stop terrorists but to stop yahoos smuggling on weapons to take out terrorists. But they should have been short lived. Now domestic security is part of the military-industrial complex.
The scale of growth of the security services in the US – especially given the amounts going to security contractors as well to develop domestic security hardware & software – sounds staggering. I get the impression more and more Americans are becoming extremely uneasy at how much power US officialdom is getting to spy on them.
Inside Top Secret America:
I might have agreed with you once, but when you also consider the systematic attempts to suspend habeas corpus, legalising the state sponsored assassination of American citizens, militarisation of law enforcement, etc it looks more and more like something other than a war against terror. More like a war against your own citizens.
Yep, once you read the history behind the US constitution it becomes obvious that the framers weren’t out to produce a free country but to set up their own aristocracy. Unfortunately for them the people who’d just been doing all the fighting wanted something different and so they got a democracy but a democracy that could be controlled by the rich – representative democracy.
“Yep, once you read the history behind the US constitution it becomes obvious that the framers weren’t out to produce a free country but to set up their own aristocracy.”
What utter crap.
No, my turnip came up with the same analysis as DTB
How is your new Scandinavian friend anyway? No prurient interest intended..
My beloved turnip and I will be together forever.
Because when you set up an aristocracy the first thing you do is introduce laws against nobility and define term length, election laws as well as allowing any citizen to be president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_of_Nobility_Clause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution
Seriously Draco, what are you talking about?
You need to read a little more history Contrarian. The framers of the Declaration of independence and American Constitution did not envisage a democratic republic with universal rights and suffrage as I understand it. One of the key contributors to the drafting of the constitution was James Madison. I don’t know the copy / paste rules but here is a selection from Wikipedia quoting Madison.
“In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The Senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability.”
–James Madison, quoted in Notes of the Secret Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787
James Madison’s comments were but one of many. The Constitution, as written, offers no special protections to the rich or noble – despite the above quote.
If they were trying to set up their own aristocracy then they somehow manged to draft a document which did the exact opposite.
Perhaps you should go back and read what Draco (and I) actually said. We mentioned the original intentions and wishes of many of the landowning (and slave owning) oligarchical delegates. Yes, in the end after much debate a very interesting constitution was produced. A majority of delegates initially refused to sign it and full ratification by the States took quite some time. But it still didn’t grant full participatory democracy or universal suffrage. Here is an excerpt lifted from Wikipedia about Madison’s family background:
His father, James Madison, Sr. (1723–1801), was a tobacco planter who grew up on a plantation, then called Mount Pleasant, in Orange County, Virginia, which he had inherited upon reaching adulthood. He later acquired more property and slaves; with 5,000 acres (2,000 ha), he became the largest landowner and a leading citizen of Orange County, in the Piedmont. James Jr.’s mother, Nelly Conway Madison (1731–1829), was born at Port Conway, the daughter of a prominent planter and tobacco merchant and his wife. Madison’s parents were married on September 15, 1749.[6][7] In these years the southern colonies were becoming a slave society, in which slave labor powered the economy and slaveholders formed the political élite.[8]
Madison was not atypical of many of the founding fathers and I’m sure you’re aware that it took over one and a half centuries before universal suffrage and full rights as citizens before the law was extended to the whole population.
James Madison’s history is irrelevant.
Please point to which part of the Constitution attempted to institute an aristocracy. States not ratifying it is like saying, hypothetically, because Auckland didn’t agree to be nuclear free 10 years after NZ law decided to be nuclear free means that law was designed to be nuclear friendly.
“We mentioned the original intentions and wishes of many of the landowning”
No, you mentioned one. One =/= many
” I’m sure you’re aware that it took over one and a half centuries before universal suffrage and full rights as citizens before the law was extended to the whole population.”
You also forget that “the whole population” as it is now doesn’t represent the same population in historical perpetuity. For example, Alaska only became part of the union in 1959. Before that it wasn’t beholden to the Constitution so of course the adoption of the Constitution wasn’t extended to all the States.
Hence the civil war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_date_of_statehood
don’t you people have a gnome to go to?
Contrarian: Sigh. For Pete’s sake do some reading. Madison was far from being a lone voice. The delegate’s went in having been expected to carry out a limited job by the States that appointed them, decided off their own bat to increase their own mandate and initially many of them envisaged something that fell far short of representative democracy with universal suffrage. This is (with certain license for the sake of brevity), historical fact. If you doubt it DO THE READING>>
As for universal suffrage: All males regardless of race or land ownership was 1870 (15th amendment, nearly 100 years after the constitution was drafted) but many southern states effectively barred most blacks from voting through such things as literacy tests. The 19th amendment gave women the vote in 1920. I can’t remember where I read it but I believe some Indian tribe/s in some states didn’t get the vote until the early to mid 1970’s.
“Near full enfranchisement was realized in 1965 with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the ratification of the 24th Amendment in 1964” Wikipedia.
You’re really not too hot on concepts like “historical context” are you. Law is a continual process that evolves in response to social change.
And that is the sole reason why we have representative democracy rather than participatory democracy. It’s not a fear of Mob Rule but the fear of the rich that the people would take back their wealth.
As YOU understand it, from the benefit from over two hundred years of social progress and a radically different worldview. Try reading it in the context of a former British colony in the late eighteenth century and it’s as progressive and democratic as fuck. What you just said was the equivalent of saying that Fifth Century BC Athens wasn’t a democracy because their society didn’t recognise women or slaves as citizens while completely failing to acknowledge it was the most progressive state in the region because all authority wasn’t in the hands of a single tyrant.
I think the point is that the the framers were well aware of, for example Athens. They understood ‘democracy’ and ‘republic’ very well. they deliberately opted for the latter with democratic aspects.
The house of reps is the most democratic part of the infrastructure, and the weakest. that’s not a coincidence, it was by design.
Which isn’t to say it isn’t a fine document given its time, but to claim it as progressive as all fuck, given what we know they knew and decided to do, is just daft.
Napoleon was arguably more ‘progressive’ than the US framers. Inasmuch as ‘progressive’ means anything.
The point that Draco was making and I was backing him up over was about what some, perhaps a majority, of the delegates first envisaged at the beginning of the process. It is indeed remarkable that given the time in which they lived and class from which many of them came that they eventually produced (after lengthy and heated debate) the document which became the constitution. You would have to be totally unread and or delusional however to believe that all of the lovely words about the rights of man etc were intended by all the delegates to mean all men and all women and all races in all states of the union at all times from the moment the constitution was signed and ratified. It most certainly wasn’t and I gave some examples above of ways in which it wasn’t.
A claim that no one here has actually made.
Not in quite so many words perhaps but Contrarians vehement “What utter crap”, in response to Draco’s assertion that many of the founding fathers were essentially oligarchs looking to preserve their privileged status against the non land owning and essentially inferior (in the case of women and non-whites) was the next best thing.
“You’re really not too hot on concepts like “historical context” are you. Law is a continual process that evolves in response to social change.”
In the American context it evolved pretty damned late compared to most of the other western democracies didn’t it?
Populuxe 3.37
“in the context of a former British colony in the late eighteenth century and it’s as progressive and democratic as fuck.”
Yes it was as progressive and democratic as fuck at the time for a certain class, gender and race..
No shit? Really? You mean the eighteenth century mindset isn’t anything like a twentyfirst or even twentieth century mindset? Well fuck me!
So you agree that it was in fact a very limited form of democratic republicanism which reserved many rights for a privileged class?
Funny, I thought that was precisely what Draco and I were saying.
I actually said several times it was very advanced for it’s day and laid a foundation for some powerful ideas about human and civil rights which have evolved over the last two centuries, but I’m not going to say it was a document which stood for the equal civil rights of the “common man” regardless of social station just to please The Contrarian and yourself, because I don’t believe those things to be true based on my reading of the history.
What was being contested was the suggestion that the constitution was deliberately framed to create an aritsocracy in anything but name. Given that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are, at least in their language, virtually identical to many anarchist AND libertarian manifestos. Hence the sharp intake of breath as I paused over my port and stilton at the suggestion.
The right to bear arms as part a well organised militia is still a crucial test of citizenship.
I’d like to see Al Jazeera spend less time on the gun lobby in the US and more examing the implications of that principle in Bahrain. But I’m not holding my breath.
The next election has to be mainly about one thing .. turnout, turnout, turnout ..
I was shocked at the level of voter apathy with all but empty polling booths
in my electorate.
In previous years I remember long queues snaking around the block.
The key is social media for the young and public meetings for the senior members of our society.
Don’t forget giving people something to vote for: strong policies and a credible government in waiting.
I agree
did ppl queue up ever? i been voting for 20 years & i have never seen that, i always thought a plus in our voting system was the whole process took about 10-15 minutes, i dont ever recall ppl queueing, but just am asking was it common once in nz for there to be queues of ppl waiting to vote?
i think alot of ‘older’ guys have to go rark up some of the young at the next election, motivate them to vote. young cousins, neices, nephews, service workers, etc…just bring it up all the time, closer to the time.
Never has been long queues while I’ve been around. Longest I ever had was about 15 minutes in Ponsonby after I moved back to Auckland from back up from Dunedin and had to do a special vote because I hadn’t told the electoral commission. There was someone in front of me that had changed their name
Our paper system is far far far better than the machine/electronic systems used in the US. Which honestly to me seems like a rort.
http://metro.co.uk/2012/11/07/faulty-machines-anger-and-longer-queues-than-iraq-in-us-election-614617/
The day we go to computer voting is the day we lose all hope of peaceful political change.
Volumes have been written about the blatant corruption of America’s computer voting systems. Once it’s in, you’ll never get rid of it. The people who hack it for their own purposes won’t let you.
In the old days they’d just tip the voting machines into the bottom of Lake Michigan.
Computerised voting would simply bring about the ability to do it faster, more efficiently, and on a massive scale.
The following testimony around rigging computer voting machines was given to a US court:
Don’t forget the hanging chads.
I figure that an electronic system could be as secure as a paper system. In fact, I think it may be more so if done correctly. But it must be done correctly and the US system isn’t – the US system has been done to funnel wealth into the hands of business.
Nah, keep technology out of it. It just fragilises things. We don’t need power cuts, broadband drop outs and server crashes screwing election day.
CV, remember hanging chads, paper can get wet, blow away, be as easily tampered with, can catch fire etc etc.
A simple electronic machine, with battery back-up, NOT connected to a network and runs on simple binary:
Labour: 0
National: 1
Green: 01
ACT 10
etc etc.
Piece of cake.
Well, it’s been a few years since any ballot boxes caught fire…the last time that an IT system went down losing data on the other hand…
Also we don’t need the friend of a brother of an MP getting the tender/shouldertap for organising the leadup, the ballot and the counting and dissemination of end results.
You have to be very trusting, to the point of infantile to not realise the vast field for finagling and carefully managed sharp practices to be loaded into the system. It is possible though that many adults do have this infantile tendency – a bit of brain missing such as in John Cleese saying ‘Madam is this a pea, or is it part of your brain’. They’d say check it out on-line, the computer can’t lie.
I agree Draco, there’s no reason on the face of it that an electronic system can’t be secure and trustworthy. It would definitely require open source code available to anyone who requested it; I guess the tricky part is that you have to prove the source code you’re looking at is the same source code that is being run on the machine.
Nope. No system is unhackable – none. The only unhackable machine is one that’s switched off, unplugged, and buried in a lead-lined safe in a Farraday Cage in a concrete vault….
“There will be no networked computers on my Battlestar!!!”
Of course, Pop, the point is that you ensure the program that is running on the machine is the one that was scrutinised, and do everything possible to stop other programs from being run on it. I expect this would mean some sort of ‘trusted computing’ situation, where the HW will only run software that is signed with the appropriate authentication certificate, similar to how Blu-Ray and PS3 worked for only running trusted discs/games. That would mean even if someone plugged in a USB drive to try and load SW onto it, the SW wouldn’t execute unless they could sign it with the proper encryption key. You could potentially go even further, and write SW that is vetted by experts for exploits etc (using Formal Methods I guess?), and then translate that into a fixed HW circuit, so that the machine was physically incapable of doing anything other than run the specified program – this would be a very expensive route to take though.
In the US case, it seems the program being run on it wasn’t scrutinised and itself was rigged, rather than someone else coming along later and hacking it.
anyway, for you engineering-related types, this is just Wow! 😀 (big smiley)
the 3 D printing of body tissues followed by Organs.
Ten years away? Sounds like the state of fusion power since 1965.
I never count on this stuff happening until they can say its 12 months away…
The problem is that all that requires specialist checking.
Whereas any mumpty on the street can see that army officers stuffing ballot boxes is a bit dodgey.
Loading them into the back of an unmarked ute with no receipts or paperwork signed…
Yep, and that includes the paper system we use today. It’s difficult to do but not impossible. The same applies to electronic voting – just need to put in place the correct protocols. Username, 16 character alpha-numeric password and a security token and the chances of the system being hacked drop to minuscule.
16 character alphanumeric password?
How many people is this going to stop voting?
CV
I decided to buy something on ebay and spent what seemed like hours negotiating the system as I couldn’t remember my password or id.
Got through in the end because I just got determined and bloody minded and I knew if I succeeded I would get what I personally wanted.
Unlike voting, where you hope that the crowd you vote for will succeed to get the numbers and then will deliver the good policies. But I can’t have as much faith in that as I have in my parcel being delivered from the United States.
“there’s no reason on the face of it that an electronic system can’t be secure and trustworthy.”
Relevant to all y’all interests:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/514581/government-lab-reveals-quantum-internet-operated-continuously-for-over-two-years/
“The next election has to be mainly about one thing .. turnout, turnout, turnout .. ”
That is correct.
However, speaking as a Labour member where L stands first for Loyalty, with things as they are at the moment, the current leader and deputy are a turnoff, turnoff, turnoff ..
The public evisceration of Happy Gilmore continues. Last night Campbell live did a scathing review of Gilmore’s past difficulties and his blown up sense of worth …
http://www.3news.co.nz/Inside-the-mind-of-Aaron-Gilmore/tabid/367/articleID/296444/Default.aspx
And this morning Stuff also reviews his history and it is not pretty …
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8631574/Gilmore-has-colourful-history
The question is raised, if Lianne Dalziel retires to have a crack at the Christchurch Mayoralty what will National do? Gilmore was the candidate in Christchurch East for the past two elections. If he stood in the by election he could be the most memorial since Melissa Lee …
it’s all ok, the country is in good hands, we have no reasons to be concerned
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/john-key-third-most-ridiculous-world-leader-list-5426385
yes it is a list on the internet so means nothing, but still, “of All Time.” !!
Only third freedom? Well he has to try harder to become number 1. Send in the mincing walk?
An odd comment at the end of a Gilmore piece, about:
“Prime Minister John Key is under pressure to discipline shamed MP Aaron Gilmore over allegations of sleazy conduct towards a woman at his infamous boozy dinner. ”
……”A spokeswoman for Mr Key said his office had not been made aware of allegations of an inappropriate advance….”
Wonder what that means?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8631499/PM-facing-calls-to-deal-to-MP
Sounds like he did an impromptu tango and went forwards when he should have gone backwards. Those tricky political steps can be confusing.
Also incredibly easy to believe. I get pretty sick of executive types slobbering over my wife on the odd occasion we have to deal with them. One idiot even suggested she remove her clothes and do a samba on a restaurant table, apparently finding this appropriate because she’s Brazilian. Years back I had a girlfriend who did some work at some sort of NAct convention. She told me some pretty appalling stories about their sleazy conduct.
MO
I remember hearing a story about an IRD party back near the day when a bloke was writing about them in a book called ‘Be Very Afraid’. I’m not sure whether he was the one who committed suicide because of the burden of their relentless compound penalty interest.
The story goes that one of the young bloods got filled up with some liquid then stood on a table dropped his trousers and turned round as fast as he could, emulating a lawn sprayer.
Could be wrong but what an imagination to think up a story like that, if it was made up. It sounds possible because there was a tide of uncontrollable hubris then.
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lprent Yes I shouldn’t be so niggly – excuse – feeling tired and stressed. Which is BAU for a lot of people on this blog I know.
Slurrin’ Uuron ?
That TV3 clip was more banal and irrelevant than anything I’ve seen on Seven Sharp.
Since when was a Tory being an offensive, self-important wanker a hanging offence. I remember when it was mandatory…
“the most memorial since Melissa Lee …”
You spelt forgettable wrong.
The only thing I know about Melissa Lee is from her by-election attempt and the Waterview crims line.
What Happens When Students Are Simply Free To Learn?
Apparently, they go out and learn about stuff that interests them and find that learning is fun rather than the chore that school normally is.
Years ago there were classrooms set up to develop the kids ability to self manage learning. Kids responded with intensity. But parents were uneasy. The learning did not look packaged and formal. So “projects” were born to counteract the misconceptions. Sadly Projects became a return to teacher managed learning.
It is said that if a teacher from 100 years ago appeared in a modern classroom, he would easily identify what was happening today. The tools have changed but the process has not. Prescribed learning and all that.
Interesting. Have just pulled my son out of mainstream education and we are going for a democratic school (don’t really like that term but whatever). There are choices out there and some of those choices are designed for the children rather than the state or factories. I am constantly amazed by how some people disrespect children and treat them like idiots – they aren’t, they are people with individual attributes and deserve respect and support so they can grow into thinkers and lifelong learners.
Yes. (within idiosyncratic developmental time-frames).
Well start a charter school then.
Why when the present system could do it?
Presumably the present state system can’t because it’s based on certain quite functional principles of standardised learning, socialisation, and economy of scale. For choice there are a range of private schools, religious schools, Montessori schools, Steiner schools, Democratic schools, Te Reo immersion schools etc – the only difference between them and charter schools being that the others are held to a state monotored standard with professional teachers. Were Charter Schools to be held to the same standards, I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
Diverting public funds for private profit. Just great.
Oh yep, them bloody Maori and Steiner schools. And what if that private profit was going to a co-op or iwi? Do exercise that grey matter.
check out ivan illich – deschooling
Ivan Illich
Ah, when I started out in education, deschooling was a big topic in the training colleges and amongst educationists. I was majorly into Summerhill kind of school, deschooling, etc in the 70s – found them inspiring….. then along came Thatcher et al..
I’ve only ever taught professionally at the university level, but I try to impose as little structure on the process as possible. Perhaps the most important thing I can get across is that they need to develop an ability to evaluate their own answers. The second is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. By and large, I get excellent feedback, but none of my lectures since 2000 have had more than about 35 students, and I would generally have one or two tutors to help. I have a real admiration for school teachers who do it by themselves with the class sizes they have, and a government which encourages people to abuse them.
Seems like charity begins at home
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8631567/Hospitals-tax-exempt-status-criticised
Might register myself. Looks pretty effective.
“Other countries legislation changes demonstrate how incompetently the New Zealand Parliament has treated the charity sector.”
they have got to be pulling an arm and a leg. How much of this capitalist “disease” will people tolerate?
Remember that Key supposedly donates his salary to charity. He wouldn’t want it to be one that did anything charitable.
A revealing article on Stuff about Tikorangi – ” the most heavily explored and developed oil and gas area in New Zealand”
key spoke to 100 in Inglewood
“On Thursday he told an audience that the amount of wealth that exploration could release meant it was in everyones best interests to build respectful relationships with the oil companies.”
Some interesting factoids from the article
key and these companies are singing from the same songsheet and they are raising their voices in a cacophony of manipulation designed to drown out opposition to their exploitation, but it won’t work because they ignore people.
Expect plenty of glossy brochures and smiling pictures to come because that is all they have got to counter the truth of their activities.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/8631612/Black-gold-dark-clouds
From visiting a bakery, and seeing my purchase escape the till, wondering if anyone here would have said anything and if so what you would say ?
I would say, ” I think you’ve missed the Vienna loaf” or similar. I tend to point it out when I notice that I have been charged incorrectly or given the incorrect change. I do not want to put a shop assistant onto the back foot with her employer, and I do not want to be hostage to petty, grasping instincts either.
A polite curious enquiry might help. “Why doesn’t the money go in the till?” Might be a good reason for this.
It is said that the $3.99 or $19.99 was to force the till to be opened to give change rather than make the cost seem less.
And the encouragement of electronic payment methods like EFTPOS.
Interesting point re the .99 , and we worry about a few $$ that a few beneficiaries over claim, whilst such actions from business owners and trades go unabated and almost condoned or accepted as being part of the game of being in business. Pity most do not see cashies and these actions are stealing from the public purse.
I still recall a wife of a builder complaining how hard it was to spend $30 k of cashies that he earned on a job and for it not to be noticed, and we worry about feeding and housing those less fortunate. Many here do not appreciate how hard it is for the rich to live and operate & the problems they have to live under!!!!
Yeah. Poor bastards. Bet the rich all secretly wish they were beneficiaries – politics of envy.
I think I might have misunderstood your question, Herodotus. I took you to mean that the price of your purchase did not register. However, on reading ianmac’s post, it seems that you paid but the shop assistant didn’t put the money in the till. In that case I would say nothing, since it would seem to me to be busy-bodying. Perhaps she/he put that money to one side to pop across the road and buy something that the shop had just run out of, like milk for instance.
The person I paid was the owner !! I apologise for the confusion in the lack of clarification in my initial comment.
It is going on a lot and is called the black economy. No taxes paid, cash in the bag. I personally would not visit the shop anymore as one has to put the money where the mouth is -literally. My taxes are being deducted and I have no say, it seems hat a shop owner who does not pay taxes can choose. So here are some of the dollars that are missing in the social net structure.
Excellent article by Deborah Russell Massey University on wealthy people avoiding (although not evading) taxes.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/8541593/Tax-avoidance-by-well-off-a-rort
Great article but it does not deal wit the cash and/or barter economy that runs parallel to the taxed one.
There are (business)people who seem to belief that they are entitled to cheat the “system”. By boasting that they have got away avoiding tax and giving that rort a revolutionary name such as “system” “government” “taxman” etc it tends to get the nod because of the wide held belief that these people are cleverer then your average punter who has to suck it up. The very same punters have yet to cotton on to the fact that they admire a cheat who has their hand in the wrong pocket and smile at you whilst robbing you blind. Of cause the “government” and the “taxman” will now ask more of the ordinary punter to cover the shortfall.
There is or was, actually a barter system for businesses that is quite widespread, and this would enable trading to be done without exchanging cash. So what is thought about that.
I belonged to a green dollars group and that is how that operated but we were just ordinary wage earners or beneficiaries, not business people.
Excuse me but i need to have a little rant about this
Not one of you have a skerrick of any wrongdoing, that includes Herodotus who only witnessed cash going somewhere other than the till in a bakery shop. Herodotus later tells us it is money going to the owner no less. Mon dieu, imagine that, a business owner taking money for a sale and doing with it what they wish. What is the world coming to? If Herodotus had a genuine concern of inappropriate activity why did he not say something? If he had, at least he would have fact based reasons for a discussion instead of a swagbag of supposition.
May I recommend to mind your own business, or are the cries of tax evasion and corruption meant to lead to louder calls for the boarding up of the premises and subsequently dragging the owner through the streets by his own scrotum? What business is it of anyone’s, except the IRD, how daily cash handling is done in a private business? By subsequent comments from Herodotus it looks like a bit of a staged discussion anyway.
In one cafe I used to work we had a ‘need change to get another coffee?’ bowl that was a tipn’share bowl. It lived on the counter and cash was constantly going in and out depending on what people needed. Not every business does, or can run, an over- invoiced receipt-driven use the right suppositry code type of operation. Life is messy and for the self employed and small businesses it is getting messier by the day. I do wonder why exactly Herodotus mentioned it, if it was’t to voice his obvious suspicion of fraud or such.
The last time you bought a new car or boat or whatever it is well off people pick up on the weekend, you did what? Handed over a credit card or similar, what account did the money go into? Are you sure it did ? How about that lawyer’s account that your trust management fees went into? You know for a fact that money is being dealt with legitmately?
Next time Herodotus, just ask the person concerned if it is such a worry, and stop casting aspersions on the characters of others, because that is exactly the sort of weak lipped snakeoil that is killing this country faster than all the fraud and theft and greed put together.
Get into the real world as someone who deals day to day in admin accounting I can see when a 2nd till operates. On your ventures out just take a look to see how often such an experience that I described occurs. Why then as I spent $8 why the $2 change came out of a 2nd tin the same as my $10 entered. There was no reason i could come up with why the till on the counter was not used and my transaction was at least not rung up. And as I mentioned before that I was serviced by the owner.
I was interested how others here would have reacted to this.
Not staged from my experiences I come across quite a few instances of tax avoidance in what I considered involving large amounts, perhaps in your world you are more fortunate in the people you deal.
H, what happens to the cash after you have paid for the product you selected, is just none of your business. The banks? maybe, regulatory agencies, possibly, tax man certainly, but unless this shop is a client of yours, it is nothing to do with you. Instead of taking aside the owner and privately voicing whatever ill-focused concerns you may have, you preferred to spend the day involved in the escalation of theoretical wrongdoings.
I believe for every malfeasance you have imagined that the owner is involved in, others could come up with a reasonable and real world alternative that is not judging someone based on nothing but your own expeiriences collected whilst scooping and bagging the effluent of your own career choices.
Get off your high horse. 15% of what we hand over to retailers is tax (GST) that we’re paying and we’ve got every right to expect it to go to the taxman. What they do with their income is their business, GST is our business because it’s our taxes not their income.
Actually, if a crime is taking place then it’s the persons responsibility to report it.
well, I do observe “floating” exchanges regularly in retail; have done for years.
Maybe the till wasn’t working and the money was being kept separate so it could be rung up later when it was fixed.
Maybe it ran out of paper.
Maybe they were having a contest to see which staff member could sell the most donuts.
Maybe they were testing out a new piggy bank.
Maybe it was a hidden camera show.
Who the fuck knows? You can keep your money in a tin if you want to. What of it?
Didn’t have you pegged as an apologist for tax dodgers, Felix. I love that, even after all of this time, you can still surprise me.
Climate Change…..
“White House warned on imminent Arctic ice death spiral
National security officials worried by rapid loss of Arctic summer sea ice overlook threat of permanent global food shortages”
“as the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projected in 2007. He said:
“The Arctic situation is snowballing: dangerous changes in the Arctic derived from accumulated anthropogenic green house gases lead to more activities conducive to further greenhouse gas emissions. This situation has the momentum of a runaway train.”
” phenomenon of “Arctic amplification”, where:
“The loss of Arctic summer sea ice and the rapid warming of the Far North are altering the jet stream over North America, Europe, and Russia. Scientists are now just beginning to understand how these profound shifts may be increasing the likelihood of more persistent and extreme weather.”
There’s a satellite video of ice in the Alaskan Beaufort sea already breaking up (First time ever so early in the spring) indicating a summer ice free Arctic this year or next with a consequent greater loss of the albedo effect and further entrapment of heat in the Earth’s climate system.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/may/02/white-house-arctic-ice-death-spiral
From Comments section of article…
“The fossil fuels you burn are directly contributing to killing people in the future.
None of which alters the bottom line – nature will step in and correct our numbers and consumption for us. We have proven incapable of doing either. You might not like it. You might not be one of the very few with even a small chance of making it. But that is the bottom line and the outcome the richer and more powerful members of our species have voted for in continuing business as usual for so long.”
“This is a visualization of the decline in minimum volumes that makes it very clear that the Arctic will be ice free in summer soon. This is significant because it will mark the boundary of a change in state, and the effects on the Northern Hemisphere climate that we are already seeing will intensify.
It is just staggering that we are actually witnessing an event of geologic-time proportions in the space of one generation.”
You missed out one great thing about the destruction of arctic ice: massive new oil and gas fields can now be exploited.
Who said global warming was bad for the economy?
a smooth, blended, landing
or “Upstairs / Downstairs politics” (SFWU spokesman)
http://www.movie2k.to/Chasing-Ice-watch-movie-2908859.html
the buzzards did cross my mind when i was watching Chasing Ice.
The new lands, that have been unseen for millenia, were not hidden from the eyes in the sky and are probably mapped in detail and scheduled for stripping. There are shots in the film where you can almost hear them coming for the raw meat of the glacier’s wounds.
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More comments on the above article….
1.The normal UK weather pattern (changeable ,sunshine and some showers etc. ) in the UK has been in turmoil for the last several years. Those who spend their working lives outdoors ( Farmers etc.) spotted something was wrong immediately . It started several years ago with almost monsoon like rainstorms in mid summer and has continued in that vain ever since , whereby our weather now resembles something akin to what must go on inside a washing machine come tumble drier ! i.e. constant rain/water and almost gale force like winds. This is because the Arctic is melting at a massive rate and all the freezing air is drifting south and it is enveloping the UK , whereby in the summer it is causing abnormally cold tempratures and constant deluges of rain and high winds ! …. People who live and work in the countryside have known this for several years , however seemingly not the met office or the government, I wonder why ?
2 .Sorry, but I don’t agree , that nothing has happened that hasn’t happened before. My relatives are farmers ( doing it for several generations) and they tell me a different story. They also say that over the same period( last several years) is when the UK’s weather went into turmoil , that the strength of the Sun ( UV rays?) has also seen a dramatic change , whereby it is now impossible to go outside in mid summer for any length of time without your skin beginning to burn very quickly and where people are now being publically warned to wear sun cream/block. This all points to either a mass thinning or an actual hole in the Ozone layer over the Arctic and extending down as far as the UK , which would explain the increased strength of the Sun (UV rays?) and why the Arctic is melting at such an alarming rate.
3. Amazing isn’t it, we will get to see something that hasn’t happened for at least 700,000 years.
4. Been following this issue a long time, no surprises here. Been shouting and shouting “food and water” for years now. This is real brothers and sisters, brace for impact.
I spent a lot of time outdoors in the UK in the really hot summer of 2008, and I certainly didn’t burn. I actually ended up with a light tan which I certainly couldn’t do in NZ.
And while I don’t doubt for a minute doubt climate change, anthropogenic and otherwise, the relatively mild British weather of which you speak has actually been an anomaly that started approximately 200 years ago. Prior to that, surviving accounts show British weather to have been much more severe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
Absence of sunspots for a couple of centuries. They were surprised as hell when they started reappearing. But it didn’t have much effect outside of Europe.
North western Europe is a canary area as far as climate goes. It is only habitable for a large community because of the gulf stream dropping heat so far north. It responds either through that heat load, or from the jetstream from the arctic to every change in the planetary heat balance.
The strangest thing is that the Brits generally aren’t aware how weird it is having one of the largest concentrations of computing power in the world to predict their weather.
Visiting my mother-in law last Saturday. I went to watch rugby at the Taieri rugby club(Mosgiel) . An incident involving a Pasifika player ensued. He was sent off. The home crowd then proceeded to slur the player with “get back on the banana boat ” the usual “thick coconut ” a a few true scumbags screaming “N word” . Fucking disgraceful. Racism is alive and well at this club. I’ve never seen such appalling behaviour at club level. I’d appreciate this getting passed round, I don’t want this in my game.
nothing has changed much then – I remember their horror when during the Tour I wore my anti-tour badge to the club – oh dear didn’t get to play for them much after that, not that I wanted to of course lol
Dr Joe Kalt on Indigenous Governance, and Dr Richard Pitts, on energy and climate change;
RNZ audio
Agreed, disgraceful, Blue. I’d like to tell another story which gives me hope. The provincial Boys’ College which I used to teach at, this year for the first time elected a Pasifika student as Head Boy. When this appointment was announced to the senior student’s assembly, after input from both students and staff, the entire assembly I am told broke out into spontaneous standing applause, an unprecedented event.
He’s also the 1st XV captain and an outstanding young man, with qualities which the whole senior student body recognised. Such a tale gives me hope for our society.
So the latest Roy Morgans is out http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10881366 and Labours not doin so well I guess we wont be getting a post from Mike Smith on how wonderful Mr Shearer is?
one off rogue poll give Shearer another 6 months it’s only a matter of time
Oh ok, yeah no need to comment on those rogue polls I forgot. Its full steam a head to defeat then and another term of smiling lying John.
“give Shearer another 6 months it’s only a matter of time”
Do you think Brutus Robertson is better? I don’t.
What I know is the members have had no say in who is Leader and I think they should and if we stay with Shearer we are very much looking like we are walking to another election defeat.
This won’t go down well but Labour could do worse than Shane Jones, hes always impressed me with his ability to be able to talk to everyone and comes across as intelligent
Sure there are some past issues to consider but nothing insurmountable…
Shane Jones? Nope. That would be another mistake.
Yes I remember you saying how impressed you were that he managed to get paid for wanking.
If that’s the best you can come up with after your one month ban you might need another one!
Seriously though the guy speaks well, is intelligent and appeals to both maori and pakeha, working class and intellectual
Ok so the hand shandy wasn’t the best thing he could have done but he even handled (pardon the expression) that well
You’re the only person I’ve ever come across that was impressed by him, and some of my best friends are Maori.
“Seriously though the guy speaks well”
I’ve never known him to speak well at all. Usually he just does that over-verbose thing that people do when they want to sound smart to dumb people.
Thank God I’m not playing the drinking game this morning 😛
“I guess we wont be getting a post from Mike Smith on how wonderful Mr Shearer is”
Quite simply, there is no need for outsourcee Mike Smith to tell us how wonderful Mr Shearer but we want the outsourcer himself saying the real thing and showing that to us.
Remember when Shanghai Pengxin attempted to buy 8000ha of dairy farmland and all hell broke loose and nobody on the left was being the least bit xenophobic? Well, anybody care to note the reaction Dairy Farms Partnership (an investment company owned by Harvard University) buying 1300ha of farmland to add to the farmland in NZ it already owns?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/8628552/Harvard-buys-Otago-dairy-farm
These guys are really good farmers. You won’t find any locals objecting. At least it’s not the Chinese… 😈
sounds familiar to another Kiwi Lament
Ahhhh should be a solid amount of electoral fraud in that election.
I started looking into that, yesterday. I started saving links on a word document and was intending to do more research on the issue before putting a post together.
eg I have some links to articles about the Harvard Uni investment fund “land grab” in Africa and the potential negative impact. I was wondering what such land grabs have to do with the role of Universities? Part of the neoliberalisation of higher education?
Harvard runs one of the absolute smartest long vision investment funds on the planet.
Mouths increasing, arable land decreasing, land productivity flat, useless paper wealth expanding exponentially
Farm land is where you want to have your investments. And these guys back it up with big money. Last I heard, a NZer ran this side of their asset classes for them.
I thought that many of our neo lib pollies and uncivil servants went to Harvard to study and learn.. Seems that they don’t learn all the good long term structural planning stuff, only the free market and lazy butts and deadhead dads sort of stuff. How to sneer, find fault, and feel superior enough to be worth millions per year in salary, or at least aspire to that.
I guess when we are all labelled okay they can work out an algorithm how to deal with us most efficiently, and whether it’s more cost effective to ensure that there is reasonable accommodation and food for all or to leave us living on the streets.
I’ll say the same thing now as I did then. Selling our land to foreign owners is bad for NZers and bad for our economy. It quite literally turns us into serfs for foreign owners.
My first response was more like Draco’s. I’m not very keen at all, esepcially given Harvard is such an elite US institution. But I want to look into it and think about it a bit more.
“Smart long term investment” on whose behalf?
Certainly US unis like Harvard have come into some criticism for “land grabbing” in Africa. froma a 2011 Guardian article:
Harvard is elite in the sense that it is the best, it also has one of the most extensive and well funded scholarship and aid programmes in the world, increased every two or three years by about US $10 million. Please kindly check your confirmation bias.
http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do
Thank-you.
I’m still looking into the Harvard issue. But I’d want more than their own PR about the aid they provide.
Well here’s a start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University#Endowment
Thanks.
You do realise that elite or “ivy league” education establishments that offer funding for some who can’t afford the fees, don’t necessarily do anything to change the elite dominated hierarchy, don’t you? It’s the kind of “charity” that is used to justify the dominance of elites?
Again I think that’s your confirmation bias which insists on reinforcing the idea that people that experience social mobility somehow equate to being a class traitor. The notion that “it’s the kind of “charity” that is used to justify the dominance of elites” is inherently silly and an artifact of a narrative that insists on demonising an entire group of people as a single stereotype cliche of fat cat capitalists in top hats. Bill Gates gives away almost all of his billions to better the less fortunate. J K Rowling gave away so much of her money that she is no longer on the rich list. George Soros gave away over $8 billion to human rights, public health, and education causes. Such charity is an appropriate response by people who realise the important role society has played in their success and is a valuable adjunct to state funding.
Also the culture at most of the Ivy Leage universities is decidedly left leaning
http://thecitizens.blogspot.co.nz/2005/11/americas-left-wing-universities.html
Even the RWNJs agree
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/universities-as-left-wing-seminaries.html
So Rowling gave away “so much of her money that she is no longer on the rich list”.
And Gates gives away “almost all” of his.
What’s the proportion at Harvard? Do they also give away “almost all” of their places to those who can’t afford to attend?
Yes, fuck them for not wandering around in sack cloth and ashes with dogs licking their sores. Bastards. You silly cartoon Marxist.
One would presume (well, a normal person would presume, so perhaps you are excused) that a considerable amount of Harvard’s endowment would also go toward funding research, paying staff, and supplying the amazing resources that make it a place to want to study at in the first place. But you can do the math. As of 2012, Harvard University had a total financial aid reserve of $158.725 million for students, and a Pell Grant reserve of $4.093 million available for disbursement out of $30.7 billion.
Well fuck me Pop, I didn’t realise your spurious comparisons were beyond questioning.
0.5% Bit of context sheds some light eh?
Cock.
folks not put you out for the night yet felix?
“Well fuck me Pop, I didn’t realise your spurious comparisons were beyond questioning.
0.5% Bit of context sheds some light eh?
Cock.”
Look, Felix, I realise you’re probably a bit special in the touched in the head sense, but obviously the top university in the world with the best facilities, resources and teachers is going to be expensive to run. And guess what, poor kids can get in and take advantage of all that on merit. Wow. I always get the impression from you that you are some nasty bitter little person who hates achievement and talent in others and just burns to drag everyone and everything in the world down to your level of mediocrity rather boosting deserving people with talent. Me, I’ve always thought socialism was about lifting people up, not dragging them down.
Drop the sanctimony Pop.
You tried to say that Harvard, by spending 0.5% of it’s income on allowing poor kids to attend, is comparable to Bill Gates giving away “almost all” of his money.
What a crock of shit.
ps your assessments of me are hilarious. Bit of self-reflection mate.
“You tried to say that Harvard, by spending 0.5% of it’s income on allowing poor kids to attend, is comparable to Bill Gates giving away “almost all” of his money.”
As I didn’t make that comparison at all, you sad little numpty, you’re projecting. I gave Bill Gates et al as examples of really rich people giving back to the comunity as a counterexample to the assertion that all such charity is a method of control. And I’ve said my bit about how much it costs to fund Harvard’s facilities. I’m not going to argue with your pathology any more except to say Harvard’s provision for disadvantaged students is better than any state university anywhere in the world you can name.
“the assertion that all such charity is a method of control.”
Which no one I can see actually made.
“I’m not going to argue with your pathology any more except to say Harvard’s provision for disadvantaged students is better than any state university anywhere in the world you can name.”
Well I guess that knocks out another argument I didn’t make. 🙄
““the assertion that all such charity is a method of control.”
Which no one I can see actually made.”
Hey, PB, dumbarse:
“It’s the kind of “charity” that is used to justify the dominance of elites” – Karol
“Well I guess that knocks out another argument I didn’t make.”
Who knows, Felix, you don’t specialise in arguments, just gibberish and invective. I have attempted to respond to your froth and spittal as best as one can.
Pop, for god’s sake man.
That doesn’t mean what you claimed it does. Draw yourself a venn diagram or something.
Did Karol say it was the same kind of charity as Gates et al?
And Pop JFTR, you really, (really), don’t argue well. And you’re a hypocrite.
Other people here are far nicer to you than you are in return.
I say this in case you aren’t aware of that.
Questioning Pop’s assertions, none of which he stands by, is “froth and spittle”.
Righto. 🙄
+1 dtb
I also don’t think xenophobia should be bandied about if the information on the Harvard buy was not publicised as the Crafar farce was. Accusing the media of building xenophobia by reporting unevenly may be more accurate, but even then the publicity around the Shanghai Pengxin bid came in on the back of publicity around fraud, bankruptcies and other apparent dodgy dealings and an imagery of six farms rather than an a more difficult to imagine x-hectares.
It’s a dumb idea to allow our productive infrastructure and land to be owned offshore.
The price of M.I.L.K
Conniptions ahoy for the haters.
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-google-palestine-website-change-20130503,0,2831606.story
From the heavy handed new Greenpeace ads, you would actually begin to wonder if they weren’t secretly working for the government to secretly promote anti sea protest legislation. All they’ve done is strung together a bunch of footage that reinforces all the stereotypes about stupid, dangerous, gung-ho behaviour.
Link??
Why? Don’t you have a TV? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxE-f-n_EJI
I have a T.V. and watch very little of free to air TV as the programmes are so vapid. I don’t own SKY. When I occasionally do watch a specific programme I mute the ads the moment they come on and usually go do something instead.
Anyway, to the video clip. Great to see Greenpeace getting the message over on mainstream TV as an antidote to all the “buy me buy me” ads. I did not get the same impression as you from the ad.
By the way, I do gain the impression from your comment that you approve of our right to protest being removed. No doubt you were also one of those grumbling about nanny state a few years ago.
You obviously prefer ‘big brother’ state.
I just don’t understand how someone (who I assume is just a regular citizen) having views such as these. What is your motivation?
The right to protest is sacrosanct, but I don’t support naive people risking severe injury or injuring others through their actions on the high seas. The ocean is not the place to be playing silly buggers.
You’re worried about the excessive number of deaths and serious injuries caused by Greenpeace vessels? How many a year is that exactly?
No, I’m probably more worried about amateurs getting into trouble, and in fact people do get injured. Tempers flair in unpredictable conditions. It only takes a Pete Bethune or enraged whalers to take it a step too far. Clashes already happen with great frequency. I think the law isn’t well written and unfairly targets genuinely peaceful protestors and observers. But it cannot be denied that it is getting increasingly rough out there. It’s a matter of time.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/three_whalers_injured_in_confr.html
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/246548/whalers-ram-protest-ships-sea-shepherd
Increasingly rough compared to the 1632 deaths worldwide that were related to the oil and gas industry in November of 2009 alone… I think you and the government have your priorities all wrong!
False Dichotomy
Comparing activism that has resulted in no deaths and is largely being outlawed by the government with an industry that kills thousands and is being promoted isn’t a false dichotomy… You may as well just write “dog poos” if that’s the extent of your argument Populuxe1.
the seafarers who engage in this kind of activity don’t need you looking after them, and unlike the unsafe foreign fishing vessels which operate out of NZ I’m not aware of any Greenpeace vessel needing NZ tax payers to fork out for a rescue.
Basically you’re making a lot of noise about fuck all. And it doesn’t seem to me like you believe the right to protest is paramount. Just the right to protest in ways that you believe convenient and appropriate.
If by “convenient and appropriate” you mean not acting in a manner that may potentially harm themselves or others, then yes. Your argument is pretty much that of NRA lobbiests in the US. What are you, a Libertarian? I don’t agree with the form of the law as it stands, but I don’t agree with boarding vessles or chucking projectiles etc and that goes for all parties involved.
Populuxe:
Sacrosanct: definition thereof
Adjective
(esp. of a principle, place, or routine) Regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.
Synonyms
sacred – holy – inviolable
So the right to protest is sacrosanct.. except when you say it isn’t
The right to protest is sacrosanct, but so is public safety
Don’t be disingenuous. The law isn’t being changed to protect protestors from themselves or for “public safety”. It is being changed to prevent protestors from obstructing prospectors, drill rig operators, whoever..
It is a law against civil disobedience and in the end it won’t work because New Zealanders have repeatedly proven that when their principles are at stake they are quite prepared to collect some convictions and even jail time in defence of causes they believe are just. What’s more, in most cases, history has sided with the protestors and against the established order. Can you name a case where this wasn’t true? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
I’m well aware of that, but a slightly different law would have some contingency. Here is my reasoning. I’m not so concerned with Greenpeace (basically these days a commercial exercise, little more than a greenwashed Outward Bound so that privileged, predominantly white people can moralise to a developing world painfully aware of its own environmental shortcomings, and with little concern for the effects of their antics on ordinary people) and Sea Shepherd (another pack of showboating privileged wankers who manipulate the naive to get media attention and then hang them out to dry once the dirty work is done).
New Zealand has a vast coastline and the general public have incredible access to boats and the sea. There are also a lot of passionate numpties out there who don’t have the kind of seamanship to be safe in that kind of melee. Also while I am anti-whaling and deeply concerned by oil and mineral prospecting ships in our waters, as long as they are operating within whatever weak and flawed laws we have, no one should be making physical contact with them, board them, or attempt to block their path – all of which are in violation of the Law of the Sea. If protest ships waht to lurk visably nearby with all loudspeakers blasting, I think they should be able to.
Well aren’t you a nice well behaved little boy. Using that logic, if you were old enough to protest in 1981 you would have done so from the safety of your Nana’s lounge room.
“Well aren’t you a nice well behaved little boy. Using that logic, if you were old enough to protest in 1981 you would have done so from the safety of your Nana’s lounge room.”
Oh don’t be so fucking ridiculous. The Molesworth Street batoning was a horrific example of police brutality and it is a national shame that the LAW did not protect those protestors. Though marching on the police was a stupid thing to do too. You are a thoroughly nasty little man.
Well, we don’t need new legislation to ensure vessels obey maritime law.
Sort of the point of maritime law.
Some commentator I was listening to recently came up with a description of the present economic hegemony as being ‘corporate feudalism’ – the rich are trying to find more ways of making money from investing their excess, and will apply their minds to squeezing the people more. If that was the case there will be an inevitable slide back to the situation as in Victorian-type dramas of the poor woman and her child being thrust into the snow by a vicious landlord.
Or the sad hopeless songs from Victorian times and before as in Come Home Father
http://ingeb.org/songs/fatherde.html
Father, dear father, come home with me now,
The clock in the steeple strikes one;
You said you were coming right home from the shop
As soon as your day’s work was done;
Our fire has gone out, our house is all dark,
And mother’s been watching since tea,
With poor brother Benny so sick in her arms
And no one to help her but me,
Come home! come home! come home!
Please father, dear father, come home.
It is so pathetic it almost seems like lampooning the situation but a read of books detailing the privations is sobering, despite the funny side of the Python’s skit about who had the worst childhood.
A bright moment this morning about something good and clever happening out in NZ enterprise fields, was Kim Hill and Doug Avery a farmer, talking about the value of altering long-held practices of pasture grass types. Farmers can gain extra value if they have suitable conditions to grow lucerne which will help them through droughts.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday
09:45
Doug Avery: farming and drought
South Island Farmer of the year 2010, who manages Bonavaree Farm at Grassmere, South Marlborough, using a sustainable farming system that is resilient in extreme weather and variability. (14′11″)
Download: Ogg Vorbis MP3 | Embed
Too funny.
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2008/08/31/atheistsfoxholes-libertariansairplanes/
PIE in the sky.
Phil Twyford has posted on Red alert the following lecture by Nicky Hagar to a North Shore Labour Party function.
Nicky Hagar – Uncomfortable Truths – NZ Foreign Policy- War on Terror
For karol, lPrent, Redlogix, Irishbill, r0b whoever – the messages inherent is so important can someone set it up as a proper post on the Standard?
Well, in the meantime, here’s the link to the presentation for the half a dozen or so people who may be around and up for listening at this time on a Saturday night https://soundcloud.com/nzlabour/sets/nicky-hager-uncomfortable
Will look in to it…
First off, congrats to Nicky Hagar for getting the facts together. His division of attitudes into popular peacekeeping vs the empire/alliance is right on the money.
The most important point is that the PM is not the Commander in Chief. The fact that military operational policy was not aligned with Clark’s policy is a consequence of the nature of the civil system, which has it’s roots in the Roman empire.
Populuxe:
“Well aren’t you a nice well behaved little boy. Using that logic, if you were old enough to protest in 1981 you would have done so from the safety of your Nana’s lounge room.”
“”Oh don’t be so fucking ridiculous. The Molesworth Street batoning was a horrific example of police brutality and it is a national shame that the LAW did not protect those protestors. Though marching on the police was a stupid thing to do too. You are a thoroughly nasty little man.””
I seem to have rattled someones cage. Are you running out of coherent arguments? Are you trying to say that you were on Molesworth street and got batoned? If so your method of doing so is rather cryptic and also beside the point. I’m talking about the right to protest and the tension between the LEGAL right to protest in a tidy way from a safe distance and the MORAL right to commit yourself to civil disobedience in a cause which has superior ethical weighting than that protected by the law.
For example: Which matters most, the right to watch a game of rugby undisturbed, or the right for a black majority to have civil rights in their own land? Which matters most, the right of a motorist to cruise up a Wellington street without disruption, or the right not to wind up dead in a South African police station?
For all your talk about the right to protest being sacrosanct blah blah blah…. I think I sniff a social conservative who will take the safe path of bowing to the will of the establishment rather than putting himself at risk in the service of a just cause for the greater good. Or maybe you used to be a radical but the fire has cooled in your belly as the arthritis set into the knees?
What are you jabbering about?
And no, I’m not a radical because I don’t idealise rashness and violence as being a solution to anything.
Sorry we’re obviously getting a bit beyond you here. You go back to you bath chair.
” I don’t idealise rashness and violence as being a solution to anything.”
Where did I or anyone else say we see violence as being a solution to anything. Obstruction in and of itself is not violence.
And by the way, as you make it quite clear you’re not the protesting type, that you do not believe in confronting authority, why does the fact that I suggested that your preferred method of protesting would probably be at some considerable remove from the action make me a “nasty little man”.
The debate is about the role of the State in the defense of citizens rights and how it balances, ethically and philosophically speaking, the small issues like laws against obstruction against the large issues like civil and human rights. The ultimate question is, does the State have a MORAL right to criminalize people who are breaking small laws in the defense of large causes. Gandhi for example.
And I may be nasty but I’m not little.
This would be the same Gandhi who practised PASSIVE RESISTANCE? Although admittedly he rationalised that in the knowledge that with a population that size a few million dead here and there wouldn’t matter in the long run.
This is the Gandhi who advocated non violent CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE which led to much violence by the State against his protest movement. Spanner..
Refer to his rather callous mathematics about population and acceptable loss.
that’s partition for ya
I suspect you’re making shit up. I’d like a citation showing that Gandhi ever made any such calculation. In the end the people who followed him did so freely because they were prepared to risk whatever actions the state (British Empire) took against them because they found that existing under the yoke of that Empire worse than death. Unlike you some people are prepared to risk their lives for great causes.
I notice that as Populuxe loses the major points of the debate he starts deflecting into minor points so as to have the last word. Sad.
“Unlike you some people are prepared to risk their lives for great causes.”
Well aren’t you a romantic delusional arsehat, red for the blood of the martyrs. Oh how amusing you are. Dead people don’t really get to make changes, silly. Better a live dog than a dead lion.
“If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest Gentile German might, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance, but would have confidence that in the end the rest were bound to follow my example. If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy […] the calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the God-fearing, death has no terror.”
Gandhi, M.K. “The Jews” Harijan 26 November 1938 (The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi vol. 74, p. 240)
“…there should be unadulterated non-violent non-cooperation, and if the whole of India responded and unanimously offered it, I should show that, without shedding a single drop of blood, Japanese arms – or any combination of arms – can be sterilized. That involves the determination of India not to give quarter on any point whatsoever and to be ready to risk loss of several million lives. But I would consider that cost very cheap and victory won at that cost glorious. That India may not be ready to pay that price may be true. I hope it is not true, but some such price must be paid by any country that wants to retain its independence. After all, the sacrifice made by the Russians and the Chinese is enormous, and they are ready to risk all. The same could be said of the other countries also, whether aggressors or defenders. The cost is enormous. Therefore, in the non-violent technique I am asking India to risk no more than other countries are risking and which India would have to risk even if she offered armed resistance.”
Gandhi, M.K. “Non-violent Non-cooperation” Harijan 24 May 1942, p. 167 (The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi vol. 82, p. 286; interview conducted 16 May 1942)
If people like me are arsehats and Gandhi is a calculating monster by your reckoning, Populuxe, then I’m happy to side with Gandhi. I’ll also have to concede that any similarity between yourself and a fully functioning moral human being is just a coincidence. Good night and good luck. Keep re-reading the Gandhi. You might come to understand him eventually.
I don’t make a habit of putting people on pedistals. Idols encourage distorted worldviews and blind faith.
You have a nasty habit of putting words in people’s mouths that they never said and attributing ideas to them which they never thought. It is really most unattractive. In fact you seem to be one of those people who believes in nothing much other than personal preservation and not rocking the boat. News flash, the world will only change for the better if some people are prepared to take risks to make it happen. How many times have you left the herd and taken a risk for a matter of principle Pop? Is there any principle you’d risk it all for?
Well aren’t you a sad old throwback. The reality is positive change will only happen with education and freely given cooperation, not theatrics that will probably alienate more people than it will convert.
I will go before you and make the crooked paths straight;
I will break in pieces the gates of bronze and cut the bars of iron
-Isaiah 45:2
For I will contend with him
who contends with you
-Isaiah 49:25
For all who live by the sword…
Blessed are the meek for they shall…(game theory)
For what greater thing can a man do than to…
Not a nationalist myself, who would be in this day and age! (although I understand Inglorious Bastards).
and the nation that endured the greatest number of fatalities during the Second World War was…
(I’m half-way through that book on the 24th)
…before H.Rel. I would have just kept my head down and soldiered on too. Love the author’s (Armin Bottger) attitude.
The amount of death that the USSR saw during that war is simply staggering.
One in eight Ukranians, dead. And Stalin, well it seemed like losing 200K Red Army soldiers here, losing another 200K over there and yet another 200K further on, was just par for the course.
Mind you, 4 out of every 5 German divisions which were ultimately destroyed in WWII were destroyed by the Soviet Union, not by the Allies. That’s a lot of heavy lifting by the Reds.
Yep. Reds know how to lift; Blues how to drag. off to some soft fiction now.
Keep your chin up. 😉 (keeps your nose cleaner)
The problem is that so many of our legislators are intellectual and moral midgets. All due apologies to midgets.
Aaron Gilmore seems nice …
I nearly had a fit! Stop it…
and midges too. Populuxe is well defined, refined and streamlined; tips are complementary. 😉 though rarely hot air or steam.