Open mike 05/07/2014

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83 comments on “Open mike 05/07/2014”

  1. NZH (Phil Taylor) has written a fairly substantial bio of David Cunliffe.
    Turns out DC is related to “King Dick” Seddon!

    • Yes a very interesting read and perfect timing. This imo is where the turning point occurs – after the courageous apology and the informative backstory to his life. This is where the deliberate denigration of David Cunliffe, by some, ends and the real man and what he has to offer begins in earnest. This is where the left gain momentum and go on to win the election. This is the time and the place, this is our time and place.

      • The Lone Haranguer 1.1.1

        Its a good read and humanises Cunliffe well. He needed it.

        I understand that the “apology thing” is just him chanelling Helen Clarke who also apologised for stuff in our history that she didnt personally do (the historical mistreatment of Chinese immigrants from memory), and that worked for her, but Im not sure that men should apologise for having a willie and being “potential rapists” and woman beaters.

      • Colonial Viper 1.1.2

        Yay more softe media please! MOAR!

      • ropata 1.1.3

        Voted by classmates at Atlantic College (themselves some pretty amazing kids from round the world) as the most likely to become a world leader.

        From an average background, with some difficult circumstances, DC is pretty much the definitive tall poppy. I think he tries to moderate the intellectual stuff when speaking publicly, but you can tell the guy is something special

    • karol 1.2

      Just started reading it but this?

      After 12 years in parliament he came to reconsider that choice following a bruising failed attempt to unseat Labour leader David Shearer which saw him sent to the Siberia of the back benches with another shot at the leadership not even on the distant horizon.

      How many more times is this non-truth going to be repeated?

      • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1

        As long as the NZHerald sees it as a way to put scorn upon Cunliffe I suppose.

    • Chooky 1.3

      Thanks for that biography…really interesting …David Cunliffe will make great Prime Minister!

    • DH 1.4

      I’ve been wondering what the underlying narrative would be and it looks to be ambition. We’re all ambitious to some extent or other but to be labelled ‘ambitious’ is often synomymous with being called untrustworthy; climb over corpses to reach the top etc. Few people in the workplace like openly ambitious people, they’re either after your job or they’ll sack you in a minute to prove themselves.

      Possibly I’m wrong but I do know that ‘ambitious’ is a pejorative term to many people.

    • freedom 1.5

      It was a good read and for contrast in the writing style you can see the 2008 bio-piece the NZH did on John Key, which magically re-appeared on the NZH pages today. It has not been updated and still has all those unanswered questions about the time lines not adding up amid other historical grey areas.

      oh dear I forgot to include the link 😉

  2. Shaping up to be a nice weekend in Auckland, if a bit windy
    http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/auckland/auckland-central

  3. Clean_power 3

    The debate over David Cunliffe’s comments continue. His advisors and speechwriters are failing him badly, very badly.

    • Women’s Refuge Chief Executive Heather Henare said Cunliffe’s comments were ones she had been waiting to hear.

      “That was pretty gutsy and I think that it’s unfortunate that that part of his speech was picked up in such a negative way,”

      http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/women-s-refuge-hails-cunliffe-apology-gutsy-6018734

    • ropata 3.2

      duplicate comment, astroturfer

    • There certainly is a mass debate in some circles namely rightwingy ones.

    • ropata 3.4

      Key goes to grease palms at Family First

      Cunliffe speaks to Womens Refuge

      draw your own conclusions about their values

      • bad12 3.4.1

        Cunliffe attends a Women’s Refuge Conference to talk about life,

        Slippery attends a Family First Conference to talk about death…

        • ropata 3.4.1.1

          Cunliffe snubbed Family First pre-election grease-up. Key didn’t. Goff went last time. Cunliffe’s office says he didn’t want bar of it.

    • greywarbler 3.5

      The debate over clean-power sinks miserably. Who is this non-person?
      ” His advisors and speechwriters are failing him badly, very badly.”

    • Rodel 3.6

      The debate over John Key’s avoidance of responsibilities continues.His advisors and speech writers …(John Key has speechwriters? what’s wrong with him ?. David Cunliffe doesn’t need those.. he thinks for himself.)…are failing him badly, very, very, very, very badly.

  4. If You Want To Be Successful, Learn How To Steal

    Stealing is not bad as long as you steal the right things.

    If you steal things, they will last until they are used up.

    If you steal money, it will last until you spend it all.

    If you steal power, one day you will lose it.

    If you steal fame, one day it will fade.

    If you steal people, they will last until someone else steals their hearts.

    ….

    If you steal knowledge, it will be with you until your last breath.

    • Lance Peterson 4.1

      Yea Kim Dot Com knows all about this

      • Molly 4.1.1

        Lance, do you actually have any idea what the charge against him is?

        And explain what was the difference between MegaUpload (which was non-searchable) and YouTube? Both are file storage services.

    • Lanthanide 4.2

      Obviously this is supposed to be sentimental self-improvement clap-trap etc, but you generally don’t actually steal knowledge, just like you can’t steal digital files. All you generally do is copy it.

  5. Rodel 5

    Previously uncommitted voter friends tell me they are starting to think that Cunliffe will be a much better PM than Key. Nicer person and heaps more intelligent. Good to hear.

  6. bad12 6

    Asset sales cash to be used for new Schools and Hospitals, Riii-ght,

    $7 million of asset sales cash to be used to fix leaking doors, windows, and, the roof of the Parliament,

    $5 million of asset sales cash to be used chasing the 20-30,000 escapees of the US tax system living in New Zealand, not for taxes owed to the NZ Government, for taxes owed to the US Government,

    $23 million for the cost of New Zealand’s membership to the World Bank that because of the tax switch our Government can no longer find in its Budget,

    Its a swindle…

    Source: NZHerald.

  7. bad12 7

    The secret life of Plants,

    http://www.pri.org/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

    The Google is, if as usual my link fails to work:
    New research on plant intelligence may forever change the way you think.

    A much longer read, but more informative is this:
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/12/23/131223fa_fact_pollan?…all

    The Google for the above:
    Micheal Pollan: How smart are plants: The New Yorker.

    Plants, able to manufacture up to 3000 chemical compounds as a reaction to outside stimulation???,
    Plants, able to respond to introduced circumstances that do not directly effect them???,

    Do Plants have the capacity to ‘think’ even while possessing no identifiable central nervous system or ‘brain’,

    Even the simple beanstalk experiment that anyone can do at home would tend to strongly suggest that Yes, Plants have the capability to recognize and react to situations that do not physically effect them,

    In a bucket grow a beanstalk,
    At six inches of growth,(excuse the old measurements),introduce in another bucket of soil a 2 meter upright bamboo stake and sit it next to the bucket the beanstalk grows in,

    As the video in the link shows, your beanstalk will ”recognize” the introduced bamboo stake and begin a series of growth spurts all the while casting like a fly fisherman, trying to connect with the bamboo stake,

    Next,befor the beanstalk can grasp the bamboo stake, take the experiment another step, Remove the bucket of soil holding the bamboo stake and watch what the beanstalk does,

    Again take the experiment one step further, two days after you removed the bucket with the Bamboo stake, reintroduce it, But, this time place the bucket with the bamboo stake directly opposite to its previous position in relation to the bean stalk,

    Watch what the beanstalk then proceeds to do, after that tell me that Plants have no ability to ”think”…

  8. Awww 8

    Safe Care who operate the rape crisis lines in ChCh are closing due to a $30K shortfall.

    Listening to the RadioNZ article right at the end the comment is made that the shortfall (in support service for rape victims) will need to be taken up by Victim Support. What it doesn’t say is that Victim Support, however well intended are not trained specifically for sexual violence. I can’t stress how damaging untrained people attempting this will be.

    Is there anyone out there who may be able to help this organisation?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2602097/christchurch%27s-only-rape-crisis-callout-service-to-close

    • miravox 8.1

      Maybe the people who say they’re not part of the problem might want to think about being part of the solution? That should pull in enough money if they all put up $10.

      For inspiration, you good guys, Hell’s Pizza donated $10,000 for Wellington Rape Crisis a few years ago after an offensive post (and put staff through sexual violence awareness training). All credit to them. I reckon the with the number of people offended by Cunliffe’s personal statement, putting $10 in should top that.

  9. RTM 9

    Ngati Koroki sculptor Brett Graham commemorates the 150th anniversary of NZ’s most important war: http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/ozymandias-on-great-south-road-three.html

    • ORAVIDA CHAIRMAN STONE SHI 9.1

      There was a great part on The Nation where the live feed didn’t work and we were treated to a prolonged scene of an oblivious Patrick Gower staring into the camera and going DUHHHHHHH.

      ANOTHER MONSTER GAFFE FROM GOWER

      CAN HE BE TRUSTED?

      IS IT TIME TO RESIGN???????

    • ropata 9.2

      Great blog, thanks for sharing. Subscribed.
      I’m a Papakura kid by way of Te Awamutu, Otorahanga and Puhoi … appreciate all the bits of history you have unearthed

  10. David H 10

    Gower the wanna be. On the The Nation. Trying to make himself the story yet again.

    • karol 10.1

      Gower, wannabe player. He’s not an interviewer, but aims to be a participant in a sparring match.

      Cunlliffe stood strong and stated his political positions and policies well.

  11. David H 11

    Unauthorised biography of David Cunliffe: The man who would be PM
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11285307

    And not a hatchet in sight. And a bloody good read to ‘boot’. Maybe the bad ‘press’ the Granny has been getting has given them pause for thought..

    • Karen 11.1

      I wish that was true but next week Key cheerleader Claire Trevett will be writing the political years, and I am sure she is being supplied with all the hatchets she needs to make David look untrustworthy. Had it been written by Audrey Young there would be a chance of a balanced portrayal, but not with Trevett.

      • Hami Shearlie 11.1.1

        I thought the same thing – it will be a load of vicious shallow tripe served up by Chef Claire next week, you can bet on that! I think the subscriptions to the Herald will be taking a dive from now on, it has become a joke – I won’t be renewing mine when it expires very soon!

    • Jilly Bee 11.2

      Yes, it was a good and interesting read. I gave a long sigh when I read at the end of the piece that Whale Oil had published Karen Price’s client list, I was initially angered by that, but sadly not surprised.

      • karol 11.2.1

        I didn’t see a reference to WO publishing that list? has anyone ever published Slater’s client list?

        • Jilly Bee 11.2.1.1

          Hi Karol – I’ve been searching (unsuccessfully) the on-line Herald for the extra piece on page A27, entitled ‘The son of a preacher is still on a mission – his wife is the rock’. The piece is about Karen Price’s role, which ‘is to provide the oasis from the political storm’. ‘He has a thick skin, but politics bruises families too. One son came home from school in tears because a kid called his father “a loser”; she lost clients when Cunliffe became leader. Blogger Whaleoil published her client list and “some clients don’t want to have to live with that sort of thing”.’

  12. bryce edwards is talking absolute shite…

    ..gobsmacking shite..

    ..willie jackson then calls him out for being incomprehensible..

    ..heh..!

    • heh..!,,

      ..he then piles on more..telling edwards he ‘doesn’t know what he is talking about!’..

      ..good to see that bullshit-artist being called out..

      • The Al1en 12.1.1

        If you’re talking gob smacking sh!te, little willie leads the pack.

        Do you forget his part in the roastbusters case?
        The bit where he questions the victim about her own sexual habits and dress sense and asked why she was out late at night drinking and at what age she lost her virginity.

        On a day when the lead post here is men need to own domestic and sexual violence 🙄
        Just like vietch, willie and john are pariahs to me.

    • Bearded Git 12.2

      Bryce Edwards is starting to get up my nose-slagging off Labour ALL the time.

  13. “..Colorado has proved that legalising cannabis works..

    In just six months the state has raised millions in tax revenue –

    • and seen a fall in crime..”

    (cont..)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/colorado-has-proved-that-legalising-cannabis-works-so-its-about-time-we-let-the-uk-get-high-9582714.html

    • bad12 13.1

      Alert Alert, Vegan Doper supports mutilation and murder of Plants solely for His own pleasure…

    • greywarbler 13.2

      I liked this bit phillip
      The state’s governor, John Hickenlooper, predicts that sales of the drug will reach $1bn in the next fiscal year, raising almost $134m in tax revenue. Arrests for drug-related crimes and the murder rate have also halved, and tens of thousands of people have found work in the state’s burgeoning cannabis market.
      and
      When laws are widely flouted they cease to be laws and instead become instruments to punish certain members of society. When the government sacks its chief drug adviser for stating scientific facts it exposes itself as arrogant and unheeding. When billions are pumped into prohibition without producing any significant reduction in drug use – during a period of austerity no less – it makes a mockery of our system of governance.
      (In the UK. Also in NZ BTW I believe Hickenlooper is the Governor’s real name.)

  14. Jrobin 14

    Latest Roy Morgan interesting. National down to 48%. Seems Roy Morgan lost their Crosby Textor interpreter too ( the one who identified Greens climate policy as leading to drop when it had not been released during the polling period) RM Noted the Shiu incident hadn’t affected Labours polling. Though at 28 that is still concerning. Wait till the Education policy is absorbed hopefully this will turn the tide.

    • freedom 14.1

      Do you mean the Liu incident?
      Shi is Key’s golfing buddy from Oravida who gave money to that nice charity.

  15. Draco T Bastard 15

    The Cost of Continuously Checking Email

    Multitasking, as many studies have shown, is a myth. A more accurate account of what happens when we tell ourselves we’re multitasking is that we’re rapidly switching between activities, degrading our clarity and depleting our mental energy. And the consequences can be surprisingly serious . An experiment conducted at the University of London found that we lose as many as 10 IQ points when we allow our work to be interrupted by seemingly benign distractions like emails and text messages.

    And yet more and more employers are demanding that people be able to multi-task.

    • ropata 15.1

      You can’t multi-task but there are ways of breaking down complex jobs and moving tasks around in a coherent way.. I use a kanban (scrum) board at work, it does help you focus.

      Whenever you are required to switch tasks, move the new task into the “work in progress” area, and move your current task(s) back to the “backlog” area. This makes it plainly obvious to your manager that adding a new task to your list slows progress on other things .

  16. Draco T Bastard 16

    Key pushed a “steady as she goes” approach: the Reserve Bank had been reviewed three times and its direction judged generally correct; the economy needed to grow at 3 per cent a year for 10 years to be in a strong position.”

    hahahahahaha

    We’ve been growing the economy for ten years and we’re still not in a strong position and we never will be unless we change our economy and society from the disaster that the neo-liberal reforms have made of it. This bullshit from John Key stinks of the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

  17. greywarbler 17

    Interesting bit of news that feeds my belief that the unlimited council budgets draw in wide boys who want to use public money, tax and ratepayers money, to fund pet projects that are not of great use to the public, often imposing large future costs. Or they might want to change laws that have been good for the public in the long run to ones that are good for he or she or they in the money-makers group in the short run.

    A former lawyer and Central Hawke’s Bay mayor who helped executives of a failed finance company steal $12.5 million has been sentenced to four years and nine months in jail.
    Hugh Hamilton was found guilty in May of 14 charges of theft by a person in a special relationship for his role in the collapse of Belgrave Finance in 2008.
    The collapse of the finance company left more than 1200 investors $22 million out of pocket.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/248936/former-mayor-jailed-on-theft-charges

  18. greywarbler 18

    On Morning Report RNZ Friday 4 July.
    Despite a faster growing economy, the Treasury is demanding the Government keeps a tight grip on the purse strings.

    Yet Treasury also said that if the economy kept improving small tax cuts would be possible a day or so earlier. This was right after the usual information of not enough money for needed services, hospitals, a rape-crisis phone line FGS!

    • greywarbler 18.1

      Another financial piece. From RNZ

      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/248723/banking-ombudsman-warns-investors
      Deborah Battell…The Banking Ombudsman is cautioning investors in the wake of the global financial crisis.

      The Reserve Bank estimates the cost to investors of the almost 50 finance collapses up until 2011 at $5.9 billion, based on outstanding liabilities at the time of collapse.
      More than 170,000 investors are thought to have suffered losses.

      How many people in NZ have enough large sums of money saved who can invest like this. Perhaps half of those with discretionary money in NZ were affected, add to that the leaky homes debacle and others, and the NZ investment putea has been tapped and the goodies piped out to various other users. Really good example of a well-run country after the 1984 Extreme Improvement Team got started and was finessed by the 1990 National Improvement Team Services.

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.1

        NZers have $90B in managed funds and a further $130B or so in household bank deposits. One single Auckland real estate company can sell $750M in AKL houses in a month.

        This is what makes me sick to the stomach when one Government or another says, there isn’t enough money for Super. There isn’t enough money to make benefits livable. There isn’t enough money for Rape Crisis. There isn’t enough money to give every young Kiwi a job.

        There fucking is so.

        TL:DR we’re being lied to by a power elite who benefit way too much from BAU.

        • Draco T Bastard 18.1.1.1

          TL:DR we’re being lied to by a power elite who benefit way too much from BAU.

          QFT

    • Paul 19.1

      Cunliffe may need them

      • Colonial Viper 19.1.1

        Working with Winston is a preference to working with Laila Harre and Hone….? Not sure who this message is directed to in the electorate, or why.

        • Lanthanide 19.1.1.1

          “Not sure who this message is directed to in the electorate, or why.”

          All the people who absolutely hate Hone and think he’s a racist, and hate Dotcom and think he’s a thief. Which is a sizeable chunk of mainstream NZ.

          • Colonial Viper 19.1.1.1.1

            +1

          • millsy 19.1.1.1.2

            Plus with NZ1 and the Greens, it is a case of “going with what you know”.

            A Green/NZF/Labour government with MIP on the cross benches, finding their way around parliament wouldnt be a bad thing though….Harre should know from her experience in the Alliance that going into Coalition can mean getting hugged to death. IMO The MP and ACT got more from National in their arrangements than the Alliance got from Labour.

            Look at Charter Schools.

      • The Al1en 19.1.2

        I did ask DC in the q and a session why mip is the last cab of the rank, but my question didn’t get answered.
        I suspect it’s because to mum and dad voters, Hone, dotcom or both, are tainted and to be avoided.
        Could also be that Winston will work with the Greens, but not mip.
        I guess it will all come out in the wash.

        • Pasupial 19.1.2.1

          T Allen

          Your “question” on the Q&A was (at 3:46, comment 20 – I’ve gotta learn how to link):

          I agree with mana/internet being last cab off the rank, is the reason Hone, his association with dotcom or is it something else?

          Which was both leading, and late in the day; either might have been reason for Cunliffe to have ignored it. In response to my own query (at comment 6), he said:

          After the election I’ll talk with anyone committed to changing the Government. It’s fair to say that won’t include National, Act or Colin Craig’s group.

          I further note that the stuff article you link to above does not perclude IMP MPs as ministers outside of cabinet, and even on the crossbenches, they would have a chance to introduce legislation to the ballot.

          The question I find myself asking more and more these days is; where will the IMP get its votes from? If nonvoters and disillusioned right voters, then they are surely worth supporting as agents of governmental change. If their votes are merely gained at the expense of other left parties, then not so much.

          • The Al1en 19.1.2.1.1

            I’m not convinced it was posted too late, but can’t deny leading.
            I don’t mind he didn’t answer either, and didn’t really expect him to given the subject, but he must have an answer.

          • Colonial Viper 19.1.2.1.2

            Your “question” on the Q&A was (at 3:46, comment 20 – I’ve gotta learn how to link):

            The little blue font time stamp on each comment. Click on it. It centres your browser on that comment and makes the appropriate hyperlink appear in the browser address bar. Cut and paste that hyperlink wherever you need to link directly to the comment.

            • Lanthanide 19.1.2.1.2.1

              Or right click on the timestamp and select “copy link address” (or similar, depending on your browser).

  19. karol 20

    At the Nats conference recently, didn’t Key claim the Nats would be rolling out one policy a day up til the election? What happened with that?

    • blue leopard 20.1

      Perhaps, along with their other inadequacies, they can’t count?

    • ianmac 20.2

      Yes that was reported but probably in error. 90+ policies before the Election? Doubt it.
      Probably play cat and mouse. See you Labour and up you one.

    • Colonial Viper 20.3

      didn’t Key claim the Nats would be rolling out one policy a day up til the election? What happened with that?

      What happened is that neither you or I get invitations to the Boardroom meetings where such policy is “rolled out”.

  20. Richard 21

    The Conservative Party has made another gift to the gods of political comedy:
    http://stevetaylorfornewlynnresources.wordpress.com/

  21. greywarbler 22

    RadioNZ listeners might hear something important tomorrow – Sunday – after the 9am news when Mediawatch details some changes.
    9:06 Mediawatch
    Mediawatch talks to RNZ’s boss about changes on the air and behind the scenes.
    (Note: Jim Mora is joining Mary Wilson on Checkpoint.)

    Bill’s brother Conor on the bum rap that farmers are getting. I heard a woman who is organising muck spreading on pastures and waterside planting instead of it going direct into the rivers, saying that the fuss about water is ‘political’!

    8:40 Conor English – On the Farm
    Conor English steps down from his role of Federated Farmers CEO later this month. He talks to Wallace about his background in rural Southland, how farming has changed – and discusses the bad rap farmers are getting over environmental issues.
    http://www.fedfarm.org.nz/

    And as many changes on Radionz as in National’s line up.
    Much loved broadcaster Peter Fry is retiring this week. Here is his farewell message:http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturdaynight
    AND
    Respected broadcaster Wayne Mowat retires this week. He recalls some highlights from his career:http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/waynesmusic

  22. fisiani 23

    Graeme Edgeler ‏@GraemeEdgeler 8h
    @AndrewRiddell1 @dpfdpf it was clearly stated that the statement in the media release was Labour Policy: a rape defendant must prove consent

    Taken from Twitter.

    Changing from innocent till proved guilty to guilty till proved innocent is yet another reason not to vote Labour.

    • McFlock 23.1

      lol
      google reckons kiwibog posted that 12 hours ago.
      You’re slipping.

      And I broke my rule and read the kb bs. The comment list had this gem:

      Graeme Edgeler (3,257 comments) says:
      July 5th, 2014 at 10:07 am

      then the accused must prove beyond reasonable doubt they had consent.

      I doubt it would go that far. For the few other matters in criminal law that have a reverse onus (e.g. insanity, possession of drugs with intent to supply), you only have to prove your innocence on the balance of probabilities.

      [DPF: I take reverse the burden to be literal. Either way it is pretty insane]

      So balance of probabilities seems fair. Especially with this comment in mind:

      Harriet (4,424 comments) says:
      July 5th, 2014 at 10:28 am

      Would you ever pay your lawyer $20k to defend your privilage of ‘inviting home a 6 drink girl from your mates BBQ’?

      Well you soon will be.

      Sigh. I then stopped reading.

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