web analytics

Open mike 05/10/2012

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, October 5th, 2012 - 67 comments
Categories: open mike - Tags:

Open mike is your post. For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.

The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the link to Policy in the banner).

Step right up to the mike…

67 comments on “Open mike 05/10/2012”

  1. Jenny 1

    Will Dotcom get a fair hearing?

    Will evidence of police perjury be investigated?

    Will the admitted illegal actions of the GCSB lead to charges being laid?

    Will NZ get a seat on the the Security Council?

    Mission impossible?

    Murray McCully is supposed to be in New York lobbying for New Zealand to be awarded one of the non-permanent seats on the Security Council.

    But even before he got off the plane his mission had been sabotaged on the home front.

    While he was in transit, in the operation to extradite Kim Dotcom to the U.S. headlines around the world were recounting revelations of NZ secret service malfeasance, as well as cover up and lying, at the highest levels of the NZ state

    Unless something changes, McCully has no show of convincing the UN General Assembly of our independent bona fides.

    I would have thought that illegal snooping on someone was a serious matter?

    I would have thought perjury was a serious matter?

    But not, it seems, if these illegal actions are done on behalf of the United States.

    If we have no respect for our own national laws and norms on behalf of the American super power, how could we be trusted to respect international laws and norms if they were in conflict with US interests?

    Has McCully given up on his Quixotic mission?

    In his only opportunity to address the general assembly, instead of putting New Zealand’s case case for one of the non permanent seats on the Security Council, McCully spent most of his speech on Syria and criticising the Security Council’s veto power.

    Way to go Murray!

    Why was New Zealand’s mission to secure one of the non-permanent seats dropped off your agenda?

    Mr McCully said later on Q+A today that he received some sporadic applause for his comments and sensed a real sense of frustration among the General Assembly.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Murray-McCully-criticises-Security-Council-at-United-Nations/tabid/1607/articleID/270987/Default.aspx

    .If New Zealand really wanted a seat on the Security Council we must announce to the world that our sovereignity is invioble, that Dotcom will get a fair hearing, that evidence of perjury in this matter will be investigated, that acts of illegality by secret agencies will be punished. That when it comes to justice the US will have to stand in the queue like everyone else.

  2. toad 2

    Information held by the Herald shows Gen-I studied data showing the amount of time it took information on the internet connection to reach the Xbox server. It went from 30 milliseconds to 180 milliseconds – a huge increase for online gamers.

    The reason for the extra time emerged in a deeper inquiry, which saw a “Trace Route” search which tracks internet signals from their origin to their destinations. When the results were compared it showed the internet signal was being diverted inside New Zealand.

    The data showed the internet signal had previously taken two steps before going offshore – but was now taking five.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10838484

    Any thoughts from the techie types out there as to whether there are any reasons this could happen other than the signal was being illegally diverted to monitor it?

    And if the GCSB are telling the truth that the illegal surveillance of Dotcom didn’t start until 16 December 2011, then who else would have been doing it earlier? The NSA running an op in New Zealand? Now, that would be really interesting.

    • I’m not a techie but it looks significant and it looks like an intelligence gathering organisation jumped the gun.

      And you have to admire Dotcom’s media savvy.

      He has obviously had this information for nearly a year but chose now, when it will do most damage, to release it.

      Stand by for a couple of blockbusters, a dinner with Key and a large donation to the National Party …
       

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 2.2

      Another question for techie types: would Gen-I know the IP addresses of the extra three “steps”?

      • Lanthanide 2.2.1

        They should, yes. The IP addresses will have to be globally routable. The IP addresses may just point to the very edge of the ‘shell’ of the network, but it’s still showing you something, even if only a very little. Although the fact that there were 3 additional hops will also show you the intermediary providers they use to funnel the data their way.

    • ianmac 2.3

      Crikey Toad. That could be very big!

    • billbrowne 2.4

      You don’t divert an IP stream to monitor it, you make a copy and monitor that.

      • Lanthanide 2.4.1

        You’d have to mirror outgoing and incoming connections. Not especially hard, but more effort than just diverting the stream entirely. It’s also much more obvious that surveillance is going on – the only reason traffic could be mirrored is for monitoring purposes. Traffic being routed inefficiently could be just that – a routing error.

        I find it amusing that this investigation started because Kim Dotcom is such a nerd and a rich one. Any other average person wouldn’t have any clue this was happening (or the resources/clout to get an investigation done by Gen I).

        • billbrowne 2.4.1.1

          No, port mirroring is the way it’s done.

          • Lanthanide 2.4.1.1.1

            So then you’d be getting all sorts of other traffic as well.

          • toad 2.4.1.1.2

            I am far from an IT expert, but am informed by Anita from Kiwipolitico (who knows a lot more about this than me), on this occasion over at the Dim-Post, that re-routing is necessary if you want to decrypt encrypted messages.

            Given that Kim Dotcom is very likely to have been encrypting much of his messaging, then diversion rather than mirroring may well have been the GCSB’s (or NSA’s) best method of obtaining the most useful intelligence.

            Especially given that mirroring gives you all sorts of extraneous shit you are not really interested in.

        • mickysavage 2.4.1.2

          There is more information at http://torrentfreak.com/kim-dotcoms-gaming-lag-hints-spying-121004/
          including an interview with the big man himself.

          Whatever the reason whether it be incompetence or a security agency diverting traffic so it can have a snoop the justification for a full inquiry just got bigger.

          And I was surprised to hear how big the GCSB is.  It apparently has over 300 employees.   

          • deuto 2.4.1.2.1

            Thanks for that link, ms. Really interesting read which has been updated in the last few hours. I followed an earlier link via KDC twitter and KDC’s comments were not reported then.

            KDC is now saying the problems started in Oct, and Telecom was asked to check, but then went silent. He also says the GCSB had also installed four cameras on the property, and this will come out in Court. It all gets murkier and murkier.

          • Tiger Mountain 2.4.1.2.2

            Holy crap, 300, that is potentially a lot of leather arm chairs and snifters of single malt! Maybe two or three of ’em just monitor The Standard and other blogs sorting out who is who all day.

            The speculation whether there were donations to National as well as ACT is most interesting.

            The inspector general is obviously some kind of patsy retirement post given the meagre funds allocated to the ‘watchdog’ compared to overall GCSB funding.

    • Red Rosa 2.5

      The answers here could turn out to be political dynamite.

      No wonder Dotcom keeps smiling.

      He has the tech savvy to guess what happened, and confidence that the NZ legal system will eventually reveal the details. Let’s hope he’s right.

      This could go right to the top- Key after all is in direct charge of the spy network. And (!) including maybe the current GG, who ran the GCSB for some months. Key has assumed he has had ‘plausible deniability’ all down the line. That is looking thin now, as the underlings start to talk.

      And let’s hear it from the Minister of Police, the esteemed Ann Tolley, on the apparent perjury. Fresh from the high-heeled stomp on the boy racer’s wagon…

      • toad 2.5.1

        Tolley won’t involve herself – on the basis that perjury by senior Police officers is an “operational matter”.

    • It could be a couple of reasons, what they really need to do is an internic/whois lookup on th IP numbers from that tracert.

      Those routes and how they got there are very hard to track because of the 0.0.0.0 default gateway and device routed packets.

      In the modern day the NZ internet uses what’s called numberless IP or port routing, those routes are managed using RIP or a similiar routing management protocol.

      Once they know who “owned” those IP numbers they’ll have an idea of location. You would have to ask the Telco who owned it though, which means you’d be better to do it officialy, I’m sure they’d want to help, but policy may prevent them.

      There is no reason on earth to route a packet to Wellington and back again.

      I’d suspect packet snooping was the goal, and they must’ve broken into a Telco switch or have backbone RIP access to pull it off.

      I don’t think the Americans’ would’ve helped them hack a NZ site without good reason, but if they said it was for Dotcom then maybe, which raises a whole raft of questions about protocol and checks and balances.

      • mickysavage 2.6.1

        Key has issued a blanket denial.

        There appear to be three possibilities:

        1.  An overseas intelligence organisation has rerouted Dotcom’s feed so that it can be analysed.  Not likely since the loop happened between Dotcom’s house and the Sky Tower.

        2.  A NZ intelligence organisation has rerouted Dotcom’s feed so that it can be analysed.  Quite likely given the current performance of the various Government Departments.  They seem to not understand that the law is something they should adhere to.

        3.  It is a monumental stuff up by Telecom and its technicians and Dotcom is elegantly playing us all like chumps.  This cannot be ruled out given Telecom’s general performance and Dotcom’s uncanny ability to affect public discourse of the issue.

        For a slightly more geeky pointy headed discussion of the issue try Dimpost’s blog at  http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/a-question-for-the-level-3-boys/

        Apologies for no embedded links.  I am on holiday and on an Ipad … 

    • Considering the GCSB is there too protect us from Cyber Terrorism, they are actually the people you people should be asking.

      They are meant too be protecting us, not spying on us.

      They sent a message to me and others on this board, the message was a scary one.
      Nothing too do with them, someone else was trying out those stack smashers they left behind last night.

      We have nothing too hide, so not a big deal, but why would he smash his own board?

      …… Coz he’s a wannabe hacker.

      Anonymous are a bunch of incompetents who never read a single line of kernel code it their lives, they steal the ability from people who have, and we hate them for it.

      So JH watch out, they know you now ……..

  3. Rosie 3

    This one’s for Muzza and for David H. A few days ago we had a chat about the psychology of commenters on stuff.co.nz, comapring them to talkback callers. You made the point Muzza that these folks don’t necessarily represent the mindset of the rest of NZ but are influential in their own way.
    After a bout of despair I vowed not to get involved in these discussions again but…….there is an article in yesterdays Dom Post by Vernon Small questioning whether voters are turning away from Key. Check out the feedback. It’s refreshing. Add your voice if you want, the discussion is continuing today. We keep looking to opposition politicans for leadership and hope but we can’t forget that WE as a population are the ones that should be driving democracy. (In a very general sense, and via action not just by posting comments on an msm news site lol)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/vernon-small/7766785/Vernon-Small-Are-voters-turning-against-John-Key

    • Lanthanide 3.1

      I’ve seen a lot of very negative comments about Key and National leading up to the last election, too. I guess turnout was just depressed enough thanks to the MSM narrative of National having a home-run that we ended up with the result we did.

    • LynW 3.2

      Thanks for that link Rosie. I understand the despair too … have felt it acutely since NACT got in and more so since their return but I have to believe good over comes bad, compassion and integrity wins over greed and self-interest. It is certainly unravelling before our very eyes and with such volume that even the least politically aware must be noticing. Rose tinted glasses perhaps but it helps keep me going!

    • muzza 3.3

      Hi Rosie, hope you’re well.

      I’ll check out the link later, thanks for posting..

      The thing with the MSM is that they generally do not care who the government is, they simply make up the news, and drive the narrative which suits their corporate owners agenda.

      News media generally meant to straddle the middle line, as they exist regardless of who is in government or who is in opposition, they get to “make the news”

      So far as people joining online conversations and the like – My feelings are that online anything comes with the elevated risk of false economy, which is when people use online communities and believe they they are making a difference, or that its influential, this to me is false, because my feeling is that it is not!

      Online, especially in the MSM is heavily controlled, monitored and moderated, and as such is is not hard to see where it can be used to take the energy away from people, by allowing them to feel a sense of emotion either positive or negative about , in this instance our political situation.

      Only when people take to the streets, and become very enagaged in political process, not just voting, but demanding accountability through continued engagement, will NZ stand any chance of turning around the course we are on!

      Have a good day Rosie, Cheers

      • Rosie 3.3.1

        Thanks Lanthanide and LynW:)

        Hey Muzza. I fully agree with your thoughts on the msm, and am under no illusion of it’s agenda. Its’ content is often quite vapid and becoming more inane with an increasing focus on “entertainment” (mind numbing celebrity entertainment). In regard to the Vernon Small article, I was just very pleased to see some anti national/shonkey talk going on. And yes, these msm online comments sections are very moderated. Only about 50% or less of my posts ever make it to the page (on fairfax).

        I also firmly believe in action but man, where is it? Yes, theres been some solid protest around asset sales, but over the last decade, and the last 4 years in particular, it feels like we have become the “OK” meme. Just accepting.
        http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvx6evUA2F1qf04yf.jpg
        Maybe just too tired, too indifferent, too preoccupied and disillusioned? I was just a kid during the time of the Springboks tour and the Nuclear Free movement but later came to appreciate and admire the actions and efforts (sometimes at great personal risk) that went into promoting and standing up for social and environmental justice. I was inspired by these people and I guess that gave me the encouragment to ‘get involved’ in taking action alongside others as other issues arose. (So thank you to anyone here who was involved in those protests) Governments come and go and we are faced with evolving threats and issues regularly but it feels like we’ve lost our fire. And our unity.

        • muzza 3.3.1.1

          we are faced with evolving threats and issues regularly but it feels like we’ve lost our fire. And our unity

          Rosie, student loans have a big part to play, so does immigration/emmigration, into the mix.

          I recall when I was growing up, that locally when there were protests, it was the students who seemed to be leading the charge so to speak, and taking stands against the issues of the time. so how to quell what was a large chunk of protestors? Get them under control via debt, its certainly worked well to crush what was left of the student protests for the past 10-15 years.
          We see some coming about again of late, but nothing which is going to make change.

          Immigration/emmigration is self explanatory IMO, and of course there are the pro’s and con’s on both sides. Needless to say that if you want to remove unity from any country, then just ensure that you keep the doors revolving as quickly as possible. That alongside keeping those who stay, at eachother using the worst kinds of race/class warfare you could find in the “developed” world!

          You are right though, the fire has been extinguished, and people appear to me to be very “thick” these days, walking around like mindless zombies, talking about “stuff” which is simply that, just stuff. I look at the younger generations in my family, and realise that they do not even realise just how dumbed down life has made them, the digital kids are trapped.

          If people want to argue the attack on peoples mind, they need look no further than the charter schools fiasco, as the lastest attack on furture generations of Kiwi young.

          Its going to take something very big before that unity you refer might kick in again, but it will happen Rosie, the question for me is, will it be too late.

          • Rosie 3.3.1.1.1

            Points noted re student debt and revolving door population and its effect on our ‘voicelessness”.

            “people appear to me to be very ‘thick’ these days”

            Try living in the Ohariu electorate Muzza! I do understand what you say however. I also wonder how it is for young people who have been born in the time of neoliberalism (getting sick of that word). Very generally speaking they haven’t been raised in a way, or exposed to a system that honours collectivity, and the idea of collective effort equalling collective gain. Many in my generation (x) have abandoned that priciple too, and have rather selfish pursuits. They don’t realise that independence (in the form of creativity and self sufficience) and selflessness/ compassion can co exist. It’s all “MY independence or nothing” Maybe that lack of collective awareness prevents young people and gen y’ers in general from particpating in democracy, even our most basic democratic right – voting.

            Dumbing down. Well, we’ve seen the effects of that on the American population in regard to their education system and your point about charter schools being introduced here is valid. As it is it does feel like we live in time devoid of critical thinking (or just thinking), questioning and engagement in meaningful discussion. It is just ‘stuff’ that seems to be the topic, as you say. Look at our free tv content. Unless it’s on Maori chanel (and they do have some great shows) you’ll have to get a dvd out or go online if you want to watch a documentary. A dumbed down nation is a submissive nation.

            Anyway, I am deteriorating into rant so will leave you in peace.
            One time if you feel like answering I’d be interested to know your thoughts (if any) on the outcomes of the Occupation Movement, internationally and here.

            • muzza 3.3.1.1.1.1

              A dumbed down nation is a submissive nation.

              Very right Rosie, thats exactly what it is…

              Anyway, I am deteriorating into rant so will leave you in peace.
              One time if you feel like answering I’d be interested to know your thoughts (if any) on the outcomes of the Occupation Movement, internationally and here.

              The occupy movement, along with the “arab spring’, should be under the microscope for how to manufacture, hijack and destroy, hope, the same can be applied to Obama (remember is campaign slogans). Remember the Tea Party in the USA – How people brought into what was solid ideas, but yet the movement had been created entirely to steal the energy from the real grass roots movements. The key feature is to take over and re-direct what could be a threat to nullify it, or to turn it into something, that next time people will not be inclined to get involved with

              Occupy internationally and locally lacked cohesive demands, and then got taken over in the USA by the likes of Michael Moore, David Graber, which means that the establishment had already taken the control of the messages. While the intentions of the occupy movement were most likely solid, they were well and truly schooled in how technology will be used, along with the intelligence community to divert the energy to where it wants it to be directed, to control the narrative, to kill something off.

              NZ occupy, while not controlled to the same degree, was IMO still equally missing some basic tennants of what might have allowed them some degree of success. The active community from what I heve seen in AKL, is factuous, and full of people in it for their own gains, and the chance of a joined up approach is currently not likely. There are some really good people too, but until self importance is put aside, and they can find a “face” who can translate some very clear messages which ressonate with the “middle class”, its going to be hard to see it being a force for change!

              For an examply of how to get some traction see Syriza in greece, they brought together a bunch of disparate factions cohesively, had clear concise ideas, which they portrayed coherently, they increased their vote from 4-27%, and were a wisker away from being part of the government. What that would have meant is debateable in reality, but the case study is how Syriza pulled itslf together, the clarity of the messages/policies, and what those message/policies were!

              Could go all day on this, but thats about it for now…Take it easy Rosie

              • Rosie

                “Occupy internationally and locally lacked cohesive demands and got taken over…………”

                Agreed. Thanks for taking ther the time to respond Muzza. Noted your points about the unity in the left wing factions in Greece, and their almost success in their elections. Also noted your point about there being good people in the movement in NZ, in Akld in your example but the movement was factious and folks driving their own agenda. Ditto here in Wgtn.

                In the early days of the movement before it came here I spent everyday on the livestream talking with people involved. It was hugely exciting and there was a real sense of connection and hope. I was uplifted by the speeches from people like Naomi Klein (I attended one of her talks over a decade ago when I lived in AK and have always liked where she comes from) and other campaigners who I’d never heard of and from the people themselves. I was wondering how this movement would translate into our culture. Not so well, I think, in the end and despite the best intentions.

                After attending the international day of solidarity in October last year I decided to stay on the periphery of the movement. I didn’t know how the movement could progress without a clear directive and demands, or leadership for that matter. I got that they wanted to diffuse a traditional power dynamic and they wanted to stay true to the model of the movement but just in my opinion there was no time for navel gazing. When I raised issues of our current political status I was told the movement was a post political movement. I was at odds with that statement. How could any movement that is essentially wanting a system change not be political? There was also the issue of the ego’s yet again and I felt a sense of the Wgtn chapter being exclusive and some how closed. There were some great people doing great work so I don’t mean to be disrespectful however I think we missed a good opportunity in NZ, especially as we were going into an election. I think there was more effect or should a say a different effect in both the US and the UK due to a different tact and a different political, economic and social situation compared to here, even though we have similarities. I could go on too.

                Got to dash – I have ducklings and their parents that come into the garden looking for food and water!

                Cheers Muzza, have a great weekend!

        • Dr Terry 3.3.1.2

          Rosie, I appreciate your affirmation of the Springbok protest “activists”. I was one of them, and in the middle of the Hamilton ground which was terrifying. Now I am old and, regrettably, cannot get “out there” to demonstrate any more. (Nowadays, I am a “computer activist”!) But I have to say that I am dismayed at the amount of apathy in this country in connection with vitally important issues which are likely to adversely affect my grandchildren. Indifference is the killer! Oh, for some sign of “the old fire” (with the sole exception of the Queen Street protest against this government wrecking our beautiful environment in its insatiable greed to make money, especially for the already rich.

          • Rosie 3.3.1.2.1

            Dr Terry. That is great to hear of your participation in the Springboks protests. Yes, I can imagine how terrifying that must have felt. What courage it must have taken to stand your ground. (The picket line has been a scary enough place for me at times! I’d have been useless had I been in your position) One of my former colleagues was involved in the Mt Eden protest and it was her determination and conviction that I found so inspiring. She was also a feminist and I learnt what I could from her about feminism. Its your generation that cared and made changes, so don’t feel regret at not being ‘out there’ now. Doing what you do is necessary and relevent. I’m not surprised that you feel dismay at the current apathy and I feel uncomfortable that my generation is part of that apathy.

      • john72 3.3.2

        muzza, at the risk of sounding like a poltician, may I congratulate you because I agree with you.
        Regards,

    • weka 3.4

      Rosie, where is the button to order comments from oldest to newest?

      • Rosie 3.4.1

        Hi Weka. They’ve changed their format. To read in chronological order you will need to scroll down till you get to click on “read more comments” And then scroll backwards to read in order of the thread.Currently there are 50 comments.
        It started out positive yesterday and has deteriorated.
        I’m kicking myself because I broke my ban on commenting on fairfax sites and now have a jerk called eziyo telling me I’m the reason he’s moving to Australia (yes, a complete stranger he has never met) plus other inanities directed at me. It was kind of my fault becuase I got personal and called him racist. My bad. Ignorant and prejudiced would have been the correct term. He’s also completely misunderstood what I’m talking about. Oh god, why do I even care…………..

    • David H 3.5

      Thank you Rosie for that .. Yay it finally looks as if the worm is turning. There was a couple of very good comments from a Kiwi who will never desert NZ ( I came here when I was 15 from England) I will never leave either. Coming from England via italy and round the cape on a liner, it was great I was 15 and the parents had owned a pub, so didn’t worry about the drinking, until the beer flavored sea sickness lol. BUT NZ was so clean after Southampton, Genoa, they were all dirty and grey. Capetown was very Dangerous Height of apartheid. Damn I’m getting old lol. It was amazing arriving at the Overseas Terminal at 10pm on a clear warm October night back in 1969. I’m getting stir crazy, been stuck in bed with this rotten flu all week. So don’t let the depressing views of the haters get to you, just hope that the Nacts implode before they can do too much damage. And Shearer stands aside in favour of Cunliffe it’s the only way to go. Thanks again it was great to see that there are not just haters out there. Keep up the good work.

      • Rosie 3.5.1

        One can live in hope! I guess its better late than never that folks are waking up to the reality of the monster govt they voted in. Now we just need some action. (And I agree, Cunliffe needs to be in that oppostion leadership position sooner rather than later)

        Sorry to hear of your flu. I bet its a stunning day up the coast today so hopefully thats enough to signal to that virus that its time to go. All the best for a good recovery:)

    • millsy 3.6

      Gotta love the irony of people using their employers internet to complain about bludgers…

  4. tsmithfield 4

    Anyone else been getting redirect loop problems under chrome for “the standard”? I have tried clearing cookies several times etc, but the problem reappears almost immediately. “The Standard” is the only site I have encountered this problem with under chrome.

    • Red Rosa 4.1

      Yes, same experience I have to run IE to view the site.

    • Tony P 4.2

      Happening to me too. Just in the last week. Having to use IE just for the standard. Chrome is now opening TS in a different way too.

    • felix 4.3

      Yeah, I often get “redirect loop” problems at the standard – usually when I get into a conversation with tsmithfield, Gosman, kiwi_prometheus or BalancedView.

  5. joe90 5

    The fact checks on yesterdays US debates make interesting reading.

    Factcheck; Dubious Denver Debate Declarations

    Politifact: Fact-checking the Denver presidential debate.

    Washington Post: Factchecking the first presidential debate of 2012.

  6. Draco T Bastard 6

    I/S has an interesting post up at NRT:

    Public safety may be paramount, but the use of the armed forces for law enforcement purposes can only happen with the approval of the Prime Minister or next most senior Minister. it will be very interesting to see whether that approval has been granted in this case, or whether the police and army are once again relying on the Napier interpretation to bypass the law. If they are doing the latter, then I think its something Parliament needs to look at.

    It seems that the police may be getting a little gung-ho in their use of the armed forces to assist with policing.

  7. Katy 7

    In the National Business Review dated Friday January 20 2012 (The same day as the Dotcom raids).
    OFCANZ deputy director Detective Inspector Grant Wormald talks about working with the U.S. Authorities over recent months.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/megaupload-founder-arrested-new-zealand-us-officials-request-aw-108114

    OFCANS work is prioritised and assigned by the Commissioner of police who seeks advice from the Officials Committee for Domestic and External Security Co-ordination (ODESC)

    http://www.ofcanz.govt.nz/faq

    The ODESC gives the Prime Minister strategic advice on security and intelligence Matters, according to Wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officials_Committee_for_Domestic_and_External_Security_Co-ordination

    Given that the GCSB is part of the OCDES that advises the Prime Minister and according to Wormald
    “The FBI contacted New Zealand Police in early 2011 with a request to assist with their investigation into the Mega Conspiracy.” said Mr Wormald.
    “We were happy to provide this assistance. Staff from OFCANZ and New Zealand Police have worked with the US authorities over recent months to effect today’s successful operation.

    When the FBI first contacted the N.Z. Police to assist in their investigation how far up the chain of command did that request go? After all this was not a run of the mill Armed Offenders Squad call out. And it was way above the operational level that the Prime Minister doesn’t get involved in.

    I know Wormald has a creditability problem with some people, but credible or not as deputy director of OFCANZ saying that N.Z. Police and OFCANZ had been working with the U.S. Authorities for months prior to the raid proves that Key knows more than he is telling, he must do surly.

  8. Uturn 9

    Feminine mystery, restrained by logic
    Becomes mostly masculine, except in one obvious way.
    One should not expect a man to be unable to see the beauty – is that the request?

    The danger, I’m told, is to weave your webs in the morning.
    Having met the danger, it is bewildering.
    There will be no loss of life or limb;
    No piercings or tattoos, but you’ll excuse me if I shave.
    The varmints path, while rough,
    is still too indulgent.
    Isn’t it just that the four seasons have forgotten their name?

    Nothing that is forgotten disappears.
    Nothing that is given up is rejected.

    • Jokerman 9.1

      The Way that can be told of is not an Unvarying Way:
      The names that can be named are not unvarying names.
      It was from the Nameless that Heaven and Earth sprang;
      The named is but the mother that rears the ten thousand creatures, each after its kind.
      Truly, ‘Only he that rids himself forever of desire can see the Secret Essences’;
      He that has never rid himself of desire can see only the Outcomes.
      These two things issued from the same mould, but nevertheless are different in name.
      This ‘same mould’ we can but call the Mystery,
      Or rather the ‘Darker than any Mystery’,
      The Doorway whence issued all Secret Essences.

      Friend, hope for the Guest while you are alive.
      Jump into the experience while you are alive!
      Think…and think…while you are alive.
      What you call “salvation” belongs to the time
      before death.

      If you don’t break your ropes while you’re alive,
      do you think
      ghosts will do it after?

      The idea that the soul will rejoin with the ecstatic
      just because the body is rotten-
      that is all fantasy.
      What is found now is found then.
      If you find nothing now,
      you will simply end up with an apartment in the
      City of Death.

      If you make love with divine now, in the next
      life you will have the face of satisfied desire.

      So plunge into the truth, find out who the Teacher is,
      Believe in the Great Sound!

      Kabir says this: When the Guest is being searched for,
      it is the intensity of the longing for the Guest that
      does all the work.
      Look at me, and you will see a slave of that intensity.

      by Kabir

      Love After Love- Derek Walcott

      The time will come
      When, with elation,
      You will greet yourself arriving
      At your own door, in your own mirror,
      And each will smile at the other’s welcome,

      And say, sit here, Eat.
      You will love again the stranger who was your self.
      Give Wine. Give Bread. Give back your heart
      To itself, to the stranger who has loved you

      All your life, whom you ignored
      For another, who knows you by heart.
      Take down the love letters from the bookshelf,

      The photographs, the desperate notes,
      Peel your image from the mirror.
      Sit. Feast on your life.

      🙂

  9. ianmac 10

    “…..proves that Key knows more than he is telling, he must do surly.” Yep. Surly describes him well. 🙂 Back at Katy @7

    Katy. That is a useful piece of research. It does suggest that a proper inquiry is needed – desperately!
    I suppose if a group is not visible, and is unlikely to have light shone on them, and if the representative of the people whose job it is to oversee is asleep, then it would be human nature to bend/break the rules. Integrity would become flexible?

    • Dr Terry 10.1

      ianmac. Agreed “a proper inquiry is needed – desperately!” This must exclude any of Key’s henchmen(women). God spare us from the likes of Neazor!

  10. captain hook 11

    Todays daily rag:
    “MR KEY GOES TO HOLLYWOOD”
    A STRANGE TERRIBLE AND TRAGIC TALE OF THE RUBE WHO GETS ROBBED OF ALL HIS BREAD IN TINSEL TOWN.
    and it wan’t even his own money!!!

  11. Jokerman 12

    an aside,
    But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day. 2 Peter 3: 8

    handy to remember when too focused, the |Devil| is in the detail

    “All this Time the Guard was looking at her through a telescope,
    then through a microscope and then through an opera glass
    At last he said,
    You’re going the wrong way and shut up the window and went away.”

    (As it is written: “See I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” )-To the Romans 9:33

  12. Draco T Bastard 13

    Ok, I this has got to be one of the most desperate attempts at character assassination that I’ve ever seen.

    • McFlock 13.1

      lolz
      gop sez dems pwned. 
         
      I love that playing WoW is a character defect in republican eyes, but wearing a tri-corner hat and demanding to see birth certs in real life is simply “heartland america”. 

  13. Pascal's bookie 14

    Loltastic.

    If someone with active commenting ability at kiwiblog would dump this into the Ansell thread over there, I would be much obliged. :

    http://t.co/5DYeV4N5

    The Rotary Club of Remuera has pulled the pin on John Ansell’s “Colourblind” campaign launch and cancelled its meeting in Auckland on Monday, October 8.

    In a statement, club president John Burrowes says Rotary is a non-political organisation and following what he termed “media hype” it became obvious the club had been “ambushed” into providing a platform for a political ad campaign launch.

    Mr Ansell, due to fly up from Wellington on Saturday, told NBR ONLINE Rotary had “misrepresented me terribly.”

    He says he was invited to talk some weeks ago by a Rotary club member and told he could invite “whoever I like.”

    On that basis he invited other people and the media.

  14. David H 15

    So what now? If companies have to pay for background checks, depending on the cost then how many are doing to say bugger it? and it’s even worse if the schools are cash strapped.
    if the govt keeps cutting funding to the police and others eventually there will be anarchy

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10838478

    I mean make people pay for background checks what next ? Judge Dredd?

  15. Hi folks!

    WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE FOR YOURSELVES HOW WE ARE NOT GIVEN THE ‘DEVILISH DETAIL’ ABOUT WHERE OUR TAXES ARE BEING SPENT?

    http://wheresmytaxes.co.nz/

    See?

    We aren’t told the NAMES of the contractors/ consultants; the SCOPE; TERM or VALUE of the contracted services within each ‘slice’ of the pie chart.

    The ‘devil is in the detail’.

    Isn’t it time to OPEN THE BOOKS and give us this DEVILISH DETAIL?

    Given that New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – shouldn’t we be the MOST ‘transparent’?

    So why aren’t we being told EXACTLY where our public monies are being spent?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1111/S00095/wheres-nationals-corporate-welfare-reform.htm

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

  16. Just released that meridian has walked away from the talks with the smelter at bluff.
    A source also said that meridian had plans with the electricity that the smelter would
    have used.
    Sorry cant link, but it is on the stuff site.
    What next for the economy, the ‘great decimation of our economy’ continues by the
    ‘keystoners’

  17. Jokerman 18

    MSM

    -Civil Defence-dysfunctional
    -divided
    Duplication of Control (Kaos) Too many chiefs(over-managed like the rest of NZ)
    another freakin disaster?

    -Willis Street Pedestrian Barriers; Killing Business? Just Kill More Pedestrians.
    (kill kill kill kill kill the poor: Glad I’m not a Kennedy, imagine being a Kennedy)

    -over the Ring-Wraiths

    -NZTA; New Zealand Termination Agency (knackered PR)

    Brit Comedy Friday on ONE: laugh your way to the chamber.
    (Yes Minister)

    Parkinsons Dis-ease-Now Pigs On The Wing: nothing like a little xenotransplantation to get ya movin.

  18. Pete 19

    Oh this is not good. This is not good at all. Negotiations break down between Rio Tinto and Meridian. Closure of Tiwai Point would devastate the lower South Island. The small silver lining is that it would make power companies a less attractive investment for asset sales with a flood of electricity onto the market, but this would harm a lot of workers and their families.

  19. millsy 20

    Mitt Romney’s ‘victory’ in the first presidential debate is disturbing.

    The guy is probably the most right wing Republican presidential candidate ever, and his running mate is even more right wing then he is (Im waiting for some war vet to ‘nut out’ and shoot Romney, so Paul Ryan can slide into the Oval Office – a la Manchurian Candidate).

    If Romney gets in, those in the USA who aren’t rich are pretty much fucked.

  20. Couple a thousand less hits last month, changing politics? or minds?

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Significant investment in Raukūmara Pae Maunga to prevent Raukūmara forest collapse
    An iwi-Crown approach programme to restore the Raukūmara forest on the East Coast of the North Island and boost employment opportunities for whānau, particularly rangatahi/young people, will receive $34 million funding, Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage has announced. “Raukūmara Pae Maunga is a partnership with Te Whānau-ā-Apanui, Ngāti Porou, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • New partnership central to delivering more Māori housing
    Government agencies and partners are working closer together to provide more Māori Housing through the Te MAIHI o te Whare Māori – the Māori and Iwi Housing Innovation Framework for Action (MAIHI). MAIHI is a kaupapa Māori approach that drives a system change to give effect and impact on Māori ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Manawatū Gorge replacement highway drives forward
    Site work is soon to begin on Te Ahu a Turanga: Manawatū Tararua Highway, the project to replace the former SH3 route through the Manawatū Gorge, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Phil Twyford was today in Woodville at the signing of a formal agreement by members of the Alliance ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Pacific Ministers meet to discuss regional economic priorities
    The Pacific Islands Forum Economic Ministers Meeting (FEMM) begins today and will focus on the major economic and social impacts of COVID-19 on the Pacific.  FEMM is an important congregation of Economic Ministers and senior officials from around the region, and for the first time, the annual meeting will be ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • Formal apology and payment to George Nepata
    Cabinet has approved a formal apology and ex gratia payment to former soldier George Nepata, announced Defence Minister Ron Mark. This payment is to recognise the New Zealand Defence Force’s failure to provide Mr Nepata with a safe system of work in April 1989 when, as a result of an ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago
  • Report into Iain Lees-Galloway’s expenditure
    A report undertaken by Ministerial Services into Iain Lees-Galloway’s ministerial expenditure has found no evidence of any inappropriate transactions or spending. Ministerial Services undertook a line by line review of all his expenditure, including staff and spouse expenses for the period 1 January 2019 to 30 June 2020.  “I commissioned ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago
  • Managed isolation charges to start 11 August
    Managed isolation charges for returnees will come into force from 12.01am Tuesday 11th August, after they passed their last cabinet milestone today, Housing Minister Megan Woods said. “The new charging system balances the rights of New Zealanders to return home and helps reduce pressure on the managed isolation and quarantine ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Update on New Zealand and the Cook Islands travel bubble
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Henry Puna have welcomed the completion of phase one in the establishment of a travel bubble between New Zealand and the Cook Island. Negotiations on the text of an ‘Arrangement to Facilitate Quarantine-Free Travel ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • One-stop ‘jobs and training’ shop goes live
    The Government has launched a new online, phone and onsite service to help New Zealanders connect to a range of employment support and products for workers and businesses affected by COVID-19, announced Minister of Education Chris Hipkins and Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni. Connected.govt.nz is a one-stop-shop for jobseekers, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • MSD security guards to be paid Living Wage
    Security guards contracted to the Ministry of Social Development will be paid at least the Living Wage from next month supporting the Government’s commitment towards fair pay and employment conditions, announced Minister for  Social Development Carmel Sepuloni.   “MSD was  among the first government agencies to pay its employees the living ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New strategy to ensure nature thrives
    The Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage today launched Te Mana o te Taiao, the Aotearoa New Zealand Biodiversity Strategy - a way forward that envisions Aotearoa New Zealand as a place where ecosystems are healthy and resilient, and people embrace the natural world. “Many of New Zealand’s plants and wildlife species ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Provider Languages Fund will support Pacific Wellbeing approach
    “Pacific languages, cultures and identity are essential to the health, wellbeing and lifetime success of our Pacific peoples and their communities in Aotearoa. The strength and resilience of Pacific Aotearoa is not only vital to their own prosperity but integral to the prosperity of all New Zealanders, and is particularly ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • COVID-19: More funding for schools and boost to construction sector
    ·       $38 million to help schools cover unexpected costs related to COVID-19 ·       $69 million upgrade for online learning ·       $107 million contingency funding to support school construction suppliers facing additional costs due to the lockdown. The Government is releasing $214 million from the COVID-19 response and recovery fund to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Stay safe on the tracks – Rail Safety Week
    Despite the Government installing safety upgrades around the country, people should still take care around rail crossings, said Transport Minister Phil Twyford launching Rail Safety Week. Phil Twyford said installing safety infrastructure is crucial, but we are encouraging people to be more careful around trains too. “We’re making good progress ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government backs Manawatū social housing project
    The Government is providing a cash injection to help Palmerston North City Council complete a programme to provide 78 social housing units for vulnerable tenants. The $4.7 million to build 28 units in the Papaioea Place redevelopment comes from the $3 billion set aside for infrastructure in the Government’s COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Major funding boost for Predator Free Banks Peninsula
    A pest free Banks Peninsula/Te Pātaka o Rākaihautū is one step closer with a $5.11 million boost to accelerate this project and create jobs, announced Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage in Canterbury today. “This is a game changer for this ambitious project to restore the native wildlife and plants on Ōtautahi/Christchurch’s doorstep ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Major investment for indoor sports in Hawke’s Bay
    A Government grant of $6.4 million will expand the Pettigrew Arena in Taradale with new indoor courts of national standard. “The project is likely to take 18 months with approximately 300 people employed through the process,” Grant Robertson said. “The expansion will increase the indoor court space up to 11 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New infrastructure for Far North tourist town
    The Far North tourist destination of Mangonui is to receive Government funding to improve waterfront infrastructure, open up access to the harbour and improve water quality, Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones has announced. A total of $6.5 million from the $3 billion set aside in the COVID-19 Response and Recovery Fund ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government remains committed to Women’s Cricket World Cup
    The Government has re-affirmed its commitment to supporting the hosting of the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup, which the ICC has delayed from 2021 to 2022. “This is obviously a disappointing decision for cricket players and fans around the world and for the White Ferns and their supporters here at ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Green light for Te Awa River Ride in $220m nationwide cycleways investment
    Cyclists and walkers will now have a safer way to get around Taupō, Tūrangi, and between Hamilton and Cambridge, with funding for shared paths and Te Awa River Ride, Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter announced today. “The Te Awa River Ride is the latest part of massive growth ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Six major ‘shovel-ready’ cycleways funded in Christchurch
    Six major cycle routes will be completed in Christchurch thanks to funding from the Government’s investment in shovel-ready infrastructure as part of the COVID-19 recovery Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter announced today. $125 million will be invested to kick-start construction and fund the completion of the following cycleway ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New Police facilities for Whanganui
    Plans are underway for a brand new state-of-the-art hub for Whanganui’s justice and social agencies, following confirmation the ageing Whanganui Central Police Station is to be replaced. Police Minister Stuart Nash has announced $25 million in new infrastructure spending to improve facilities for the wider community, and for staff who ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Relativity adjustment for Waikato-Tainui and Ngāi Tahu
    An adjustment payment has been made to Waikato-Tainui and Ngāi Tahu under the relativity mechanisms in their 1995 and 1997 Treaty of Waitangi settlements, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little announced today. The latest payments to Waikato-Tainui and Ngāi Tahu are $2,700,000 and $2,600,000 respectively to ensure the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Auckland rail upgrades pick up steam
    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Transport Minister Phil Twyford today kicked off the start of the Auckland NZ Upgrade Programme rail projects which will support over 400 jobs and help unlock our biggest city. Both ministers marked the start of enabling works on the third main rail line project ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • PGF support for Wairoa creates jobs
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) investment of $3.78 million in Wairoa will create much needed economic stimulus and jobs, Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. PGF projects announced today include: $200,000 loan to Nuhaka Kiwifruit Holdings Ltd (operated by Pine Valley Orchard Ltd) to increase the productivity ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Public and Māori housing to trial renewable energy technology
    Tenants in public and Māori housing may be benefiting from their own affordable renewable energy in future – a fund to trial renewable energy technology for public and Māori housing has today been announced by Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods and Associate Minister for Housing (Māori Housing) Nanaia Mahuta. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • $2.7m for Hokianga infrastructure
    Hokianga will receive $2.7 million to redevelop four of its wharves and upgrade its water supply, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. Far North District Council will receive $1.8 million from the Provincial Growth Fund for the work on the wharves. “The work will include the construction of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New fund to support housing and construction sector
    A $350 million Residential Development Response Fund is being established to support the residential construction sector and to minimise the economic impact from COVID-19, the Housing Minister Dr Megan Woods has announced. “The Residential Development Response Fund will help to progress stalled or at-risk developments that support our broader housing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government investment to boost Auckland’s community recycling network
    As part of a broader plan to divert waste from landfill, the Government today announced $10.67 million for new infrastructure as part of the Resource Recovery Network across the Auckland region. “This key investment in Auckland’s community recycling network is part of the Government’s Infrastructure Reference Group ‘shovel ready’ projects ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Te Papa transformation starts at Cameron Road
    The Government is investing $45 million in the first stage of an ambitious urban development project for Tauranga that will employ up to 250 people and help the region grow, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says the funding has been allocated out of the $3 billion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Low-emissions options for heavy transport a step closer
    Getting low-emission trucks on the road is a step closer with investment in infrastructure to support hydrogen vehicles, the Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods has announced. The Infrastructure Reference Group has provisionally approved $20 million for New Plymouth company Hiringa Energy to establish a nationwide network of hydrogen-fuelling stations. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New training centre to upskill workers
    A new trades training centre to upskill the local workforce will be built in the South Waikato town of Tokoroa through funding from the Government’s COVID-19 Response and Recovery Fund, Education Minister Chris Hipkins and Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones have announced. The Government will contribute $10.84 million from ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Subsequent children legislation to change
    The Government has agreed to repeal part of the Oranga Tamariki Act subsequent children provisions, Minister for Children Tracey Martin announced today. “There are times when children need to go into care for their safety – the safety and care of children must always be paramount,” Minister Martin said. “But ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Funding to expand mental health support for Pacific peoples
    A $1.5 million boost to grow primary mental health and addiction services for Pacific peoples in Auckland, Hamilton and Canterbury will lead to better outcomes for Pacific communities, Associate Health Minister Jenny Salesa says.  Pasifika Futures has received funding to expand services through The Fono, Aotearoa New Zealand’s largest by ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Funding boost for sustainable food and fibre production
    Twenty-two projects to boost the sustainability and climate resilience of New Zealand’s food and fibres sector have been announced today by Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. The $18m funding will deliver practical knowledge to help farmers and growers use their land more sustainably, meet environmental targets, remain prosperous, and better understand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Mature Workers Toolkit launched on business.govt.nz
    Employment Minister Willie Jackson welcomes an initiative that assists employers to get mature workers into New Zealand small businesses. The disadvantages that older people face in the workplace was highlighted in the whole of Government Employment Strategy.  In order to address this, a Mature Workers Toolkit has been developed and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Trans-Tasman cooperation in a COVID-19 world
    New Zealand and Australia reaffirmed today the need for the closest possible collaboration as they tackle a global environment shaped by COVID-19, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters said. “In these challenging times, our close collaboration with Australia is more vital than ever,” said Mr Peters. Mr Peters and his Australian ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Pike recovery efforts now in unexplored territory
    The recovery and forensic examination of the loader driven by survivor Russell Smith means the underground team are now moving into an area of the Pike River Mine that has not been seen since the explosion, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry Andrew Little said. “The fifth and last robot ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government confirms CovidCard trial to go ahead
    The Government has confirmed a community-wide trial of CovidCard technology as it explores options for COVID-19 contact tracing. “Effective contact tracing is a vital part of the COVID-19 response,” Minister of Health Chris Hipkins said. “While manual processes remain the critical component for contact tracing, we know digital solutions can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Enhanced process for iwi aquaculture assets
    The government is proposing changes to aquaculture legislation to improve the process for allocating and transferring aquaculture assets to iwi. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash has introduced the Maori Commercial Aquaculture Claims Settlement Amendment Bill to Parliament. It proposes a limited new discretionary power for Te Ohu Kaimoana Trustee Limited (ToKM). ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago