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Open Mike 06/12/2016

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  1. Paul 1

    ‘National MPs told of PM’s shock exit half an hour before John Key informed the media’

    There is something dodgy about all of this…..

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11760871

    The Daily Blog understands that there is a damning book coming out that will focus on John Key and this is the reason why he is standing down.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/05/breaking-news-john-key-shock-resignation-we-suggest-why/

    And Winston says John Key has resigned for ‘hidden economic reasons’.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201826484

    As does Emmerson.
    http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201650/061216NZHcartoonRE.JPG

    • tc 1.1

      The mans got so much dirt under his fingernails it could be anything from a former associate dumping on him over something like the panama papers, insider trading, use of GCSB etc

      He will used as a distraction until he resigns from helensville then he will disappear having liquidated some inflated property and depart NZ juristriction IMO.

    • Whateva next? 1.2

      He always did remind me of matey Dave cameron, who also walked out when he’d feathered his nest, Dave at least had “brexit ” as an excuse.
      Keys heart is, and always was, in Hawaii.

  2. b waghorn 2

    I’m going to call it now Amy Adams will be nationals next leader. She would be the only one that’s not weighed down with bad pr baggage.

    • hmmm I think the big fight will go on and the contenders will gradually whittle away at each other, hurting and punishing each other like some MMA fight and then when they are tottering, still trying to hurt each other, a westie will plough through the middle, say she will reconcile the sides, and assume the leadership role – yep paulas a coming!

    • miravox 2.2

      I’d just love to see Judith Collins and Amy Adams go head to head about who is using their political position to advance their private interests
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1403/S00114/special-investigation-adams-family-values.htm

      • save nz 2.2.1

        Good link miravox

        “Adams owns a number of properties, but the ones of most interest are in two blocks. The first is in 9 titles, at Charing Cross. It totals 1,992,440m2, and has a rateable value of $4,700,000. The second is at Darfield, is in one title of 502,154m2, and has a rateable value of $1,050,000. What is interesting about these two blocks is that they are both within the area to be covered by the Central Plains Water (CPW) scheme. This is a controversial project that will take water from the Rakaia River and use it to irrigate an area of the Canterbury Plains between the Rakaia and Hororata Rivers.

        Water has been a controversial issue in Canterbury for most of the last decade, due to the rapid expansion of dairying, and the pressure this has placed on limited water resources. This of course boiled over when the newly-elected National government sacked the democratically elected ECan (Canterbury Regional Council) in 2010. The reasons given for this were that it was “dysfunctional”, but documents obtained under the Official Information Act by the Press show that this wasn’t about so-called dysfunction, but vested interests lobbying for greater access to water.”

      • Jenny Kirk 2.2.2

        Thanks for the reminder, miravox.
        Its too easy to forget exactly what each one of that miserable crew on the 9th floor have done to destroy our country.

    • The Chairman 2.3

      The time-frame doesn’t allow much time for voters to warm to her.

    • infused 2.4

      She would be good post 2017 election.

  3. fustercluck 3

    If the trend of putting the MP with the most predatory background possible into the PM seat continues, then the next Prime Minister will be Todd Barklay and his tobacco cronies. You heard it here first.

    • The Chairman 4.1

      Sounds like the win in Mt Roskill has really got Little convinced.

      One hopes behind the scenes the Party is working on upping their game to turn those shocking poll results around.

    • save nz 4.2

      The Tortoise and the Hare. Slow and steady wins the race at the end. And that’s what NZ needs.

  4. Puckish Rogue 5

    So if, according to a lot of the comments on here, the biggest reason Peters wouldn’t go with National is because he doesn’t like Key and Key has now resigned then it would stand to reason that possibility of a National/NZFirst coalition is now much more stronger

    So while National will shed some support I predict the lions share will go to NZFirst so basically get ready for another National led government

    Although it will be interesting to see what baubles Peters can extract from National, I’m guessing it won’t be cheap

    • Now that his sure-thing, odds-on bet for the next Government, quick-to-fold Key has performed his last sleight-of-hand and disappeared in a puff of acrid-smelling smoke, we will have to endure Pucky’s endlessly repeated “plan B” warble that Peters and National will win the 2017 election, day in, day out until polling day.
      How boring.

      • Puckish Rogue 5.1.1

        Well yeah, I mean it’d be pretty odd of me to keep saying Key will get another term wouldn’t it

        Do you think Winston is now more likely or less likely to go with National now that Key has resigned?

        • Robert Guyton 5.1.1.1

          I think what’s left of National now that Key has dumped them, is lumpen and uninspiring. It’s clear that you’ll be yodeling, “what about Winston??” from now till the cows come home and I’m just mourning that inevitability. That Winston Peters is National’s only chance is a hilarious one and it’s fun to see you with that big, wriggling rat half way down your throat, Pucky.
          Despite the high-comedy value that offers, I’ll not be, aside from this brief address, helping you to establish your new “unsettler-dart” in this blog’s dialogue.

          • Puckish Rogue 5.1.1.1.1

            “It’s clear that you’ll be yodeling, “what about Winston??”

            Wait a sec you’re calling me out for saying what about Winston, have you read any other left poster on here when it comes to Winston, did you miss the main points that always came out from them was “Winston hates Key and that’s why he’ll go with Labour”

            “That Winston Peters is National’s only chance is a hilarious one and it’s fun to see you with that big, wriggling rat half way down your throat, Pucky.”

            Interestingly the my point above also applies to this, it was always Lab/Green/NZFirst however IMHO Winston isn’t Nationals only chance but its the most simple one: National + Winston = three more years

            “Despite the high-comedy value that offers, I’ll not be, aside from this brief address, helping you to establish your new “unsettler-dart” in this blog’s dialogue.”

            Yes you will 🙂

    • The Chairman 5.2

      “So while National will shed some support I predict the lions share will go to NZFirst”

      Yes, Peters could do rather well from this.

      Wonder how Little will compare to National’s new leader in the polls for preferred PM?

      • Puckish Rogue 5.2.1

        I would assume it would get closer, I mean whoever becomes leader is certainly going to be not as well known…except for Jude 🙂

      • Cinny 5.2.2

        Was very impressed with both Andrew and Grant yesterday re Keys resignation, both acted very statesman like, made me feel extremely proud of them

    • Draco T Bastard 5.3

      The policies of National and the policies of NZFirst are contradictory while NZFirst/Labour are complimentary.

      And Winston doesn’t just hate Key but National. He got badly burned in the 1990s when he went with them and they haven’t changed their spots.

      • Puckish Rogue 5.3.1

        Ok so the narrative now is that Winston hates National, good to know 🙂

        • Draco T Bastard 5.3.1.1

          No, that’s not the narrative. That’s my opinion. Also note that I never held the opinion that Winston wouldn’t go with National because of Key. I’ve always maintained that it was because the 1990s taught him that National couldn’t be trusted.

    • b waghorn 5.4

      i caught winston on the am news , he’s showing all the signs of being well past his best, he was almost incoherent .

      • Grey Area 5.4.1

        Yep. The old codger has been impressing me of late (and that takes some doing seeing as how I’m not a Winston fan) but I thought as I listened driving to work that the interview was definitely not his best work.

  5. The Chairman 6

    Our own mini version of America’s Establishment versus the rest chasm.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/87046381/police-actions-chilling

  6. Cinny 7

    Jeepers, those tourists… saw some middle agers with a map this morning, after I’d been to the supermarket I went over to approach the lady (man had gone to the shop) to ask her if she needed some help with directions. By crikey this 50 + well dressed european was ducking down in the back seat swigging on a bottle of wine, at 8.30 in the morning, car keys in hand. I sure hope she wasn’t driving.

    Turns out they had worked out which way to go on the map, but dang, it’s a bit early for the vino especially when driving a rental. She thanked me and gave me a wave as I drove off. Makes me wonder how many boozey tourists are driving around our roads.

    Anyways it’s a beautiful day, just had to vent, was a bit shocked is all.

  7. Pat 8

    Is it just me or has there been a distinct backing away from the fawning over this supposedly unprecedentedly popular government by the media?

  8. save nz 9

    Let the litigation begin….

    Graduate sues Oxford University for £1m over his failure to get a first
    Faiz Siddiqui claims ‘appallingly bad’ teaching during degree course prevented him from having a successful career

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/dec/04/graduate-sues-oxford-university-1m-failure-first-faiz-siddiqui?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=202771&subid=13842748&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

  9. adam 10

    I like this, well worth the watch, and yeah I’m one of the people who bags this game…

  10. Puckish Rogue 11

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11761231

    English to be PM and Collins to be deputy, win the next election with NZFirst then an orderly handover to Jude when English retires

    My crystal balls are telling me this is how its going to go 🙂

    • save nz 11.1

      Yes, I can see English as a short term patsy before someone punches him out most likely Collins being the most competitive (the kindest word I can think of) if English’s numbers are low pre election or after a post election loss.

      • Puckish Rogue 11.1.1

        Well patsy is a bit tough, I’d say its more a caretaker role, provide stability, that kind of thing

        • save nz 11.1.1.1

          The old conservative Natz like Bill English, don’t stand a chance against the aggressive careerist types like Collins. from wiki…

          “In March 2014, Collins was accused of a conflict of interest after an overseas trip where she ‘dropped in’ and endorsed the milk produced by Oravida – a New Zealand company which exports to China – of which her husband is a director. After being admonished by the Prime Minister, Collins apologised and stated that she and a Chinese executive were ‘very close personal friends’.[48][49][50] Over the following weeks the Labour Party continued asking who the Chinese official was. Collins did not provide his name, which House speaker David Carter described as “very unsatisfactory”.[51] Prime Minister John Key stated publicly that Judith Collins was on her final warning over this incident.[52]

          In August 2014 the book Dirty Politics, written by Nicky Hager, revealed that Collins was friends with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater and had passed on private information to him about Simon Pleasants, a public servant at Internal Affairs. Collins believed Pleasants had leaked information about Deputy Prime Minister Bill English misusing his housing allowance. Slater published Mr Pleasant’s name and details on his blog as well as the abuse and death threats that were subsequently directed at Mr Pleasants.[53] A 3News-Reid Research poll taken at the time revealed that 63% of voters believed Prime Minister John Key should have stood Collins down over this incident.[54] Mr Key said Collins had been ‘unwise’ and placed on her second final warning.[55]

          Winston Peters claimed he was approached to do a post-2014 election deal with National with Collins as leader. Peters went on to say he would swear an affidavit that he had been approached. Collins denied this claim. On 29 August 2014 John Key backed Collins up by stating “I accept Judith 100 per cent at her word.” [56]

          On 30 August 2014 Collins resigned her Cabinet positions following the leak of another email written by Slater in 2011 which suggested she had also attempted to undermine another public servant, Adam Feeley. Feeley was Director of the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and Collins was the Minister responsible for the SFO at the time. Collins says she resigned because she believed the attacks on her had become a distraction for the National party leading up to the election. She called for an inquiry so she can clear her name.[57]”

        • b waghorn 11.1.1.2

          cool because goff was a patsy/caretaker installed by clark and look how that worked out

    • adam 11.2

      YA crystal ball is broken Puckish, it was saying key 4th term up until he bailed…

  11. Cinny 12

    Maybe Banksy has his own ideas for Keys departure? Loving this art work that popped up in Tauranga overnight 😀

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11761183

  12. ropata 13

    Cool piece of Kiwi post-punk just played on Radio NZ..
    Cut Off Your Hands release their first single in five years with Hate Somebody, a track that comments on anti-social, anti-community behaviour, touching on some of the vitriolic themes of their first album You and I.

    Written a couple of years ago when living in crummer rd grey lynn, – noticing the change in character of the neighbourhood as the shitty villas in our street began selling up for 1.5million plus..noticing how the new crummer rd (super rich) inhabitants responded to the old crummer rd inhabitants – ie the Tongan Church, the renters, and Kim who stands on the corner calling out to the cats each night…

    I came home one night to see my neighbour (who had only recently moved in) standing at his fence spraying Kim from 1 metre away in the face with a watering hose…after which he received pats on the backs and high fives from my other neighbours for his act. That and countless other niggly anti-social, anti-community acts that i witnessed around the time inspired the title/chorus…
    https://cutoffyourhands.bandcamp.com/album/hate-somebody

  13. Rosemary McDonald 14

    Oh, this is just sooo inspiring….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87253496/National-MP-Nikki-Kaye-returning-to-full-duties-after-breast-cancer-treatment

    Nikki Kaye is going back to work after undergoing treatment for breast cancer.

    Gets all teary about her Departing Leader, waxes positively lachrymal about how
    ..
    ” “He’s [Key] just been the most incredible person and he’s been a great friend, but also he’s just given me so much space to be able to get well.”

    Well, that’s just fine and fucking dandy Nikki sweetie. How about those ‘other courageous cancer sufferers, you remember, the hundreds who were put on the Jobseekers Allowance….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/80593373/cancer-patient-told-to-find-job-by-work-and-income
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/75373823/Leukaemia-patient-told-by-Work-and-Income-to-find-a-job-or-risk-his-benefit

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11528825

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/295580/cancer-sufferer-loses-employment-fight

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/286914/jobseeker-benefit-for-cancer-patients-'ludicrous

    But I’m guessing that you didn’t have to stand in line for treatment through the Public Health system and encounter the sort of folk for whom a diagnosis is devastating in every facet of their and their families’ lives.

    Take a little wander over to the Givealittle site…read the begging stories of those not so lucky, those without a Boss who’ll give them the ‘space ‘ to get well….

    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/case-private-care-unclear

    https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/read-the-journal/all-issues/2010-2019/2011/vol-124-no-1334/view-fenton

    http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/in-print/2015/february-2015/18-february-2015/private-cancer-treatment-centre-provides-vital-public-service.aspx

    All fine for those who can afford medical insurance…

    https://www.amp.co.nz/personal/news/insights/2016/march/kiwis-confronting-
    rising-cancer-rates-and-treatment-costs

    Brighter Future for the Privileged…

  14. Morrissey 15

    MEET THE CANDIDATES
    No. 1: Bill “Double Dipton” English

    This bloke still has questions to answer about a housing rort.…
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2711246/Bill-English-defends-taxpayer-cash-for-house

    This is what he looks like when reporters ask him about it….
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news_crops/21996/eight_col_original_large_2V9A6931.jpg?1479668731

  15. The Other Mike 16

    Interesting piece from HuffPo:

    “A California lawmaker is attempting again to repeal the state’s sales tax on menstrual products after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) vetoed a similar bill earlier this year.

    Assemblymember Cristina Garcia (D) on Monday introduced two bills that would ease the financial burden placed on women. The first, AB 9, would make tampons, pads and similar products exempt from sales tax. The second measure, AB 10, would make those products available for free in public and private schools, including colleges, and shelters.

    Garcia argued that the bills would create greater equity in the tax code and expand access to a basic necessity for lower-income women.

    “Every month, for 40 years of our lives, we are still being taxed for being born women. Every month of our adult life we are taxed for our biology. Every month we are told our periods are a luxury, while also being told they are something to be ashamed and we must hide,” Garcia said in a statement. “It’s not enough to make these products more affordable, we have to make them free to the women and girls who struggle to get access to these products.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-tampon-tax_us_5845fe51e4b055b31398fb7f

    Apparently “too hard” to do this here… just not so anywhere else.

  16. Cinny 17

    Parliament is rocking today, opposition parties are kicking butt, the outgoing Government appear to have lost confidence and it shows in their MP’s and wanna be leaders.

    Winston is on fire 😀 and it’s a breathtaking sight to behold

  17. Muttonbird 18

    Laila Harre in a guest post to the Daily Blog.

    The Greens must stop thinking about competing a weakened Labour Party and plan to be in Government. We need to hear James Shaw and Metiria Turei make it very clear that they are campaigning for Andrew Little to be PM. Campaign for the first Labour-Green government.

    That there is support across the spectrum of the left for this imperative made me smile and hope.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/06/guest-blog-laila-harre-what-keys-resignation-means-for-labour-the-greens/

    • Jenny Kirk 18.1

      I’d given up on reading The Daily Blog, Muttonbird – but this is a really interesting piece from Laila Harre – surprising too, I thought she’d soured on Labour. And she makes sense. I agree … and hope. Maybe.

  18. joe90 19

    On the chief advisor to the Trump peace dividend, in 18 tweets.(for now).

    Do read the whole lot and be scared.

    1. Since Trump picked Mike Flynn to be his national security adviser, I decided to read his book. It's unsurprisingly racist & disturbing. pic.twitter.com/DXEwzaO0qR— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    4. It's all set up in opposition to Judeo-Christian ideas as the rightful rulers of America. pic.twitter.com/B3fVM7eImf— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    6. He outlines a war against Islam that will last for generations. pic.twitter.com/nFnldEMhyO— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    9. To enable this constant war the executive branch needs even broader war powers w/ less oversight so they can act quickly against threats pic.twitter.com/SxRXWxNZjY— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    11. Our democratic standards are in fact our greatest weakness. pic.twitter.com/OSIboxgYiX— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    13. Hundreds of years of religious bloodshed is normal. The world badly needs more. pic.twitter.com/5Y5S8S7Uun— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    18. There are more things in the book I don't even feel comfortable sharing but are probably worth reading too. In conclusion, buckle up.— Matthew Walden (@sneakdoorbeta) November 25, 2016

    https://twitter.com/sneakdoorbeta/status/802221002272993280

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