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Open mike 07/06/2011

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  1. No matter what the criminals in charge promise, we are on a non stop ride to this future http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbLgszfXTAY
    And all we seem able to do is chuck babies at the problems.
    The only good thing I can see from all this is John Key has 3 children. How will they curse him?
    “Daddy what did you do to help us?”
    “I ignored all the warnings, and built you some more roads”
    The difference between a child molester and our leaders, is normally when the molester is finished the child is still alive.
    You are being lied to by everyone from primary school teachers to the prim minister, and you are all happy with this.
    “Fuck hope” George Carlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W9Cs6KPTus

  2. tc 2

    Just listened to Simon Mercep give a disgraceful performance with Blinglish on RNZ. Caught lying finally about the level of borrowings and Mercep was indirect, stumbling and never got him answering obvious questions and let him compare us to PIGS.

    Epic fail for the toothless morning report as the scaremongering the Nats used to slash n burn has shown to be hollow especially if you factor back the tax cuts also….like their backers.

  3. jackal 3

    Where Was Gondor?

    It’s a believable story, which spoored the creation of it’s own FB page. “Peter Jackson disregards environmental concerns to get the perfect scenes for his upcoming movie the Hobbit,” is a plausible enough scenario. Even the lead in was somewhat credible: Alberta tar sands, “The hell on earth that he created,” really does have a nice ring to it. But you should see the backlash against the understandably gullible on news that the story was a hoax…

  4. randal 4

    who saw the rant by federated farmers head don nicolson in the sst on sunday. pathetic. I have been reading his columns for a while now and he has yet to make any sense. It is never about farmers or agriculture but how the ACT party wants farmers to vote. very poor form don. NZFF will be much better of without you dude.

    • Morrissey 4.1

      I’ve listened with disbelief to Nicholson on several occasions. Nearly every time, his words are not only extreme but also inflammatory and devoid of commonsense.

      Is he on the ACT list, by any chance?

  5. ZeeBop 5

    Greece needs another bailout. How’s a market to hedge the debt? Why not have NZ borrow more and reduce the ‘tranche’ debt? NZ borrows more forcing up our currency harming our economy, and now English admits we don’t need to borrow its just the terms are so good at the moment, yeah, sure! Greece high levels of debt means higher interest is demanded.
    Its like English the whole collapse of the world fiscal system, that rolling risks into good mortgages actually just accelerated the world fiscal problems later.

    • logie97 5.1

      So Blinglish is borrowing more than we need.
      The meme leading up to and post budget has been “debt is debt is debt.” Yet now he is increasing debt by his borrowing.
      Worse he is telling us that the government debt is too high.
      Wrong – his greedy prospecting mates’ debt is too high. That’s private debt.
      The government debt is quite manageable and has been for the last 10-15 years.
      They will not admit that they have simply screwed up in their calculations.

      Incidentally, if he now feels it is good money, how come he has not reinstated the Cullen fund which was apparently stupidly borrowing money to save for superannuation.

      Me thinks the man speaks with forked tongue. (Or he is a lying b..stard.)

      And it’s election year ain’t it – watch for some sort of bribe coming up.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        And it’s election year ain’t it – watch for some sort of bribe coming up.

        Nothing like getting a bribe in your back pocket – unless it was taken out of your own back pocket in the first place.

        English must think we are all chumps.

      • Descendant Of Smith 5.1.2

        I’ve never quite understood this borrowing mentioned in this youtube clip.

        Are we borrowing more than we need now or are we stuck with some commitment we made a few years ago to borrowing this amount of money from the US and are now having to do this.

        At about 2:30 in there is mention of an arrangement to lend NZ 9 billion dollars.

        Does anyone have any idea of what this 9 billion dollars is that we seem to have committed to borrowing, who asked for it and what has happened to it?

        • Oleolebiscuitbarrell

          Haven’t watched your vid but I understand the idea is that the terms upon which one can presently borrow money are quite favourable to borrowers. So we are borrowing more than we need right now to use in the future.

          • Descendant Of Smith

            I understand that is what is being said what I don’t understand is why in 2009 we had already agreed to borrow 9 billion dollars.

          • Herodotus

            This is about the only post I have come across from Labour questioning the level of borrowings. The $300-$380m never added up. And it did not help with the likes of Jacinda Ardern continually misleading the public as to why the borrowwings are so high. As J.A. thinks that 1/2 of the borrowings are for the tax cuts… Wrong !!! A large % was just refinacing existing debt e.g. EQC cashing out and the govt going offshore to replace this.
            Listen to reports and people in the street the $300+m/week has been blindingly accepted, and the failed logic of having to sell some assets and govt cost reduction to curb this debt, has also been accepted. Selling assets does stuff all to the real problem – at best it buys us 4-5months on nil borrowings. The issue is still there-but many here know that 😉
            All the borrowing in advance does is that it will allow the govt next year to tell us how great they are, as the new borrowing levels are abated somewhat. That is because they sourced the funding this year for next years expenditure. How brilliant !!!!!
            So we are paying servicing costs for debt we don’t yet need( what has the govt done with this money entered the cash n carry trade, and depositied it in an interest bearing account at one of our banks?), and to sell assets that return more than the cost of servicing the debt !!! mmmmmm, and what dothey say about Geniuses “are not recognized until long after their death. Some go insane, while others simply remain in poverty and obscurity, until some historian finds their work and makes it known.” Perhaps we all here do not see a genius at work !!!

  6. ropata 6

    What’s left of the Left?
    Paul Krugman’s lonely crusade

    For the first two years of the Obama administration, Krugman has been building, in his columns and on his blog, not just a critique of this presidency but something grander and more expansively detailed, something closer to an alternate architecture for what Obamaism might be. The project has remade Krugman’s public image, as if he had spent years becoming a chemically isolate form of himself—first a moderate, then an anti-Bush partisan, and now the leading exponent of a kind of liberal purism against which the compromises of the White House might be judged. Krugman’s counterfactual Obama would have provided far more stimulus money and would have nationalized Citigroup and Bank of America. He would have written off Republicans and worked only with Democrats to fashion a health-care reform bill that included a so-called public option. The president of Krugman’s dreams would have made his singular long-term goal the preservation of the welfare state and the middle-class society it was designed to create.

  7. aj 7

    Michael Hudson http://michael-hudson.com/

    A lot of analysis of the geo-political machinations of global economics and lately, a lot of articles on the problems with the euro.

    Will Greece Let EU Central Bankers Run Riot Over Sovereignty?

    Concentration of financial power in non-democratic hands is inherent in the way that Europe’s centralized planning in financial hands was achieved in the first place.

    Is Iceland’s rejection of financial bullying a model for Greece and Ireland?

    • prism 7.1

      aj – surely europe is just tryimg to build an integrated currency that will aid all its members. wouldn’t this be similar to the numerous states in the usa. where the concentration of financial might is in the hands of a few – it is laughable to use the term non-democratic in regard to the eu.

    • Draco T Bastard 7.2

      Iceland’s rejection of financial bullying should be a model for the entire friggen world. We do not have to do as the bankers tell us and, when people loan out money, they’re taking the risk that they’re not going to get it back. The GFC should have resulted in the write-off of a few trillion dollars and not taxpayer bailouts for the banks.

  8. gobsmacked 8

    Shane Jones on Campbell Live … unable / unwilling to say that Destiny / Tamaki stand for vile bigotry and ripping off the poor.

    Shame on you, Shane Jones. You must never, ever lead the Labour Party.

    And my vote has just switched to the greens.

    • Descendant Of Smith 8.1

      It was horrible watching a group of politicians refuse to give an opinion or take a stand on opposing some of the Destiny churches views.

      The attempted deflection by some to talk about issues in other churches was nonsense.

      What is it about many of our leftish politicians that they don’t seem to know what they believe in and what they stand for.

      Is it that they don’t have a position and bend with the wind, is that they are trying to be all things to all people, are they simply gutless, is it semi-cultural in the sense of having your say on the marae and not washing your dirty linen (in this case your opinions and disagreement) in public?

      Bring back some people who know what they think.

      • Jim Nald 8.1.1

        Thanks for pointing that out, gobsmacked.
        And yes, DoS, disappointment here that our leftish politicians don’t seem to know and show what they believe in and stand for.
        One of my two ticks has just disassociated itself from Labour.
        And the other tick is looking for the least worst party/candidate on offer.

      • Colonial Viper 8.1.2

        Is it that they don’t have a position and bend with the wind, is that they are trying to be all things to all people, are they simply gutless, is it semi-cultural…?

        Bring back some people who know what they think.

        Frakin’A DoS

        How is the Left going to command a winning voting block at this miserable mealy mouthed rate.

    • Jilly Bee 8.2

      Yes, gobsmacked, I was left with very mixed emotions after watching Campbell Live this evening and was very disappointed particularly with Shane Jones’ effort and also with all the other pollies present. It seemed as if they were absolutely in some sort of trance and totally under the so called ‘Bishop Brian’s’ authority. I couldn’t help wondering if Shane was the worse for some liquid spiritual courage, rather than the purely spiritual variety, especially as he and Hone are supposed to be an [albeit nominal] Anglicans and they both would have said something about ‘Apostolic Succession’ rather than Brian Tamaki’s self proclamation. But maybe I’m getting a bit pedantic here.

    • Rodel 8.3

      Read the body Language!
      Shane (& others) couldn’t afford to say things which would piss off the Disney church morons but to any astute observer his & Tau’s body language clearly said, ‘what a bunch of wankers we have to put up with in this job!’

      • Descendant Of Smith 8.3.1

        Actually they could afford to say it – they just didn’t have the guts to do so.

        • ropata

          Personally I abhor most of Bishop Brian’s utterances. They do not reflect Christ’s core message as delivered in Matthew 5 & 6.
          I remember Helen’s diplomacy when Tamaki was ranting about the government turning evil. Clark’s Labour party freaked out a lot of Christians but the Key/Brash show and its rampaging anti-social policies deserve far more condemnation.
          There is much common ground between the social justice aspect of the Gospel message and Labour’s aims for a fairer society. It’s a long shot but perhaps Tamaki will mellow out and allow a constructive approach in future.

          • Draco T Bastard

            There is much common ground between the social justice aspect of the Gospel message and Labour’s aims for a fairer society.

            That may be true but it doesn’t necessarily extend to fundamentalist churches who almost always lean to the right.

      • Anne 8.3.2

        The body language said it all! The only thing missing was the dentist’s chair and a large needle looming into view. What’s the bet they were both on orders by their respective senior colleagues to “keep their mouths shut and just take it on the chin”.

  9. jackal 9

    Clark Flies Home for Friends Funeral

    Interrupting her very important high level meetings, United Nations Development Program Administrator Helen Clark is returning home tonight to attend a state funeral for a national icon. Initial reports are that the former Prime Minister of New Zealand is grief stricken at the loss of her closest friend. Apparently the whole country is in shock at the news and a national day of mourning has been planned. In a moving press conference, Helen Clark spoke eloquently about the sad news:

  10. Which political parties will support legislative changes to ensure the following?

    A NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ and ‘Code of Conduct for Lobbyists’ – as required by most Australian States and Commonwealth Governments?

    An enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for New Zealand MPs?

    How is it that NZ is ‘perceived’ to be the least corrupt country in the world’ (along with Denmark and Singapore according to Transparency International’s 2010 ‘Corruption Perception Index’) – when we lack transparency and accountability in such critical areas?


    AUSTRALIAN OVERVIEW: http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/pubs/BN/pol/CodesOfConduct.htm Summary of codes of conduct in Australian parliament, including a comparison with NZ ______________________________________________________________________________


    Australian Commonwealth Government http://lobbyists.pmc.gov.au/

    In 2008 the Australian Government introduced a Lobbying Code of Conduct and established a Register of Lobbyists to ensure that contact between lobbyists and Commonwealth Government representatives is conducted in accordance with public expectations of transparency, integrity and honesty.

    Any lobbyist who acts on behalf of third-party clients for the purposes of lobbying Government representatives must be registered on the Register of Lobbyists and must comply with the requirements of the Lobbying Code of Conduct.

    The public Register of Lobbyists contains the following information about lobbyists who make representations to Government on behalf of their third-party clients:

    the business registration details and trading names of each lobbying entity including, where the business is not a publicly listed company, the names of owners, partners or major shareholders, as applicable; the names and positions of persons employed, contracted or otherwise engaged by the lobbying entity to carry out lobbying activities;

    and the names of clients on whose behalf the lobbying entity conducts lobbying activities.

    SAMPLE LOBBYIST PROFILE: http://lobbyists.pmc.gov.au/register

    Penny Bright

  11. Sam 11

    Didn’t Claire Curran look like a worning class yobbo when she walked out of parliament is black boots, black leggings and a Highlanders rugby shirt.
    Not business atire at all, just something some drunken scrubber would wear after consuming lots of Speights at the rugby.
    Someone who aspires to be a government minsiter should have had more sense and Phil Goff should have pulled her into line before question time.

    • Jim Nald 11.1

      Can’t see the black boots and black leggings from the video files during Parliamentary Questions.
      Clare looked acceptable with the Highlanders jersey over the black skivvy.
      The Speaker’s attempted reasoning was, with all respect and to put it politely, pathetic and quite stupid.

    • seeker 11.2

      How rude Sam. I thought Clare looked fresh,smart and stylish . Glad Metiria walked out in support of her, and that Sue Kedgeley backed her by insisting that there should be more comprehensive rules on women’s dress code.
      I am afraid that it’s your comment that is pathetic.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.3

      And yet a National Minister wore a sports jersey to parliament and Lockwood didn’t say a thing…

      Tell me, are you also going to call Dr. Jackie Blue a scrubber as well?

    • Bored 11.4

      So Sam, working class yobbos are not allowed to represent themselves as MPs in Parliament? Or only if they wear a suit? Get a life buddy, we dont all want to look and act like corporate business types, and we dont alll want those buggers representing us in their flash attire either.

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