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Open mike 07/07/2012

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  1. Wondering if we are being screwed, me too.

    “The New Zealand dollar LIBOR (bbalibor) interest rate is the average interbank interest rate at which a large number of banks on the London money market are prepared to lend one another unsecured funds denominated in New Zealand dollars” and

    “The New Zealand dollar LIBOR interest rate serves as a base rate for all sorts of other products such as savings accounts, mortgages and loans”


    • Flying Kiwi 1.1

      From http://www.economist.com/node/21558281 – “The rotten heart of finance”

      “The FSA has identified price-rigging dating back to 2005, yet some current and former traders say that problems go back much further than that. “Fifteen years ago the word was that LIBOR was being rigged,” says one industry veteran closely involved in the LIBOR process. “It was one of those well kept secrets, but the regulator was asleep, the Bank of England didn’t care and…[the banks participating were] happy with the reference prices.” Says another: “Going back to the late 1980s, when I was a trader, you saw some pretty odd fixings…With traders, if you don’t actually nail it down, they’ll steal it.””

      Wasn’t our popular, esteemed leader a money-market trader during this period?

      • marsman 1.1.1

        That’s right and he’s now trying to steal our State Assets.

      • locus 1.1.2

        This article from Seumus Milne from The Guardian on the the thieving lying manipulative ‘get away with it if you can’ culture endemic in private sector banks…


        Barclays bank and others fixed the lending rate on trillions of pounds of debt holdings. The result of this: borrowers & lenders pay more or receive less than they should have. Ultimately it’s consumers, companies & the economy that picks up the tab.

        And the bank directors simply can’t see – or agree – that this is corruption on a massive scale….

        • Colonial Viper

          And the bank directors simply can’t see – or agree – that this is corruption on a massive scale….

          To them its not corruption, its business as usual.

  2. Dope to dope

    A soon to be released study will show that the use of cannabis when young can lead to impaired intellectual ability at age 38 – this was mentioned last night during a debate by the director of the Dunedin Study.

    It wasn’t made clear whether dopes smoke dope, or dope smoking makes you dopey – probably both.

    The same may be said about excessive alcohol use – booze to bozoness?


    • mike e 2.1

      PG the hairpiece smoked when he was young explains it all .
      Alcohol does similar damage to formative minds.
      The WHO research shows that putting up the minimum price reduces consumption significantly.Stopping glamorization (advertising ) also reduces consumption.
      Nactuf don’t care about the harm it does their more worried about the harm to their electoral chance’s.
      By george its about time they grew some.

      • Pete George 2.1.1

        What I care about is penalising many to address the abuses of a few.


        There are rumbles within Labour over MP Charles Chauvel promoting a minimum pricing regime for upcoming alcohol law changes as party policy.

        TVNZ reported Labour had the numbers to pass the minimum pricing regime but it appears Mr Chauvel may not have all his colleagues on board, let alone the crucial votes of United Future and ACT.


        It sounds like some in Labour have already woken up to how unpopular doubling the price of wine and beer will be amongst there own voters.

        Problems should be targeted, nanny state shouldn’t be imposed on everyone.

        • Pete George

          The Green Party hasn’t looked at the Labour proposals yet (according to spokesperson Kevin Hague).

          They support “all the measures in Te Ururoa’s SOP” – the Maori Party proposals.

          • mike e

            pathetic Grovelar your just like an alcoholic.Every excuse under the sun.
            You and your Tory mates are drug pushers.
            Alcohol is NZs 2nd most dangerous drug.
            PG your tacky coalition has no morality at all.
            Allowing the Alcohol Industry to Glamorize and push
            Cheap Alcohol onto young people so they get addicted.
            Puts you up their with the likes of the mongrel mob black power bikie and other gangs
            You live in Dunedin and see the results in the main St and university should know better but just keep pushing the pushers(alcohol industry) propaganda against a thorough cross party enquiry and over whelming evidence no wonder your so hated by most people on this site.
            PG your in their back pocket.

            • Pete George

              It’s a pity your rant isn’t based on anything factual.

              I’m looking for information, asking for information and promoting discussion. It’s a big and complex issue with no simple solutions. I’m aware we have massive problems with alcohol and as a society we need to address them better.

              Throwing an over the top spaz like you’ve done here is about as counterproductive to getting anywhere that you can get.

              What do you want to see happen in the Alcohol Reform Bill? I’ve got no idea, you’ve been too busy hallucinating.

              • Colonial Viper

                What I care about is penalising many to address the abuses of a few.

                Good minimising of the massive harm and costs alcohol inflicts across ALL of society.

                • prism

                  But I like to buy a bottle of wine at $7 or $8. When Lianne Dalziel starts getting zealous about reducing alcohol consumption so people don’t get trashed I think she should be concentrating on RTDS and spirits and high alcohol fortified wine, sherry etc. I don’t think wine is so bad and it would take a lot for that quick feeling of silly, stupid, funny and don’t care that I think is the desire of binge drinkers.

                  It’s all very well for her on nearly $100,000 a year salary and reimbursements.
                  I get considerably less and like my Corbans white Muller Thurgau (although Austin Whatsisname said that was very passe’ when he came back to NZ. Wine snob!) The delicate traces of passionfruit flowers and hay with a touch of honey or whatever that I get from my cheap wine is pleasant and good enough for me. I don’t want to pay the price that Lianne would consider cheap.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    MP base pay is $141K pa or thereabouts.

                    • prism

                      How would it be that the pollies base pay is whatever the averge is for all NZs. Then add reasonable allowances, uses of taxis, transport etc with a cap on those. I think they need a reality check. And can we say that we haven’t got monkeys now that we are paying them quality nuts.

                  • belladonna

                    Quite agree. How many Labour voters have few pleasures left these days apart from a glass of wine here and there. Labour are determined to lose votes one way or another. Sort it out Labour, I cannot believe where they are coming from at times.

                    • It’s not just Labour – in fact it’s not all Labour according to reports, there’s mixed feelings amongst Labour MPs and it’s a conscience vote for them – it’s a Green Party position and also a Maori Party position.

              • mike e

                PG you should give up politics and start a waffle business.
                How long did the parliamentary enquiry go on for.
                How many tax payers Dollars were put into it.
                Waffle on troll.

                • yeshe

                  ‘What I care about is penalising many to address the abuses of a few.’

                  This is exactly how most of us feel about you and your party’s support of asset sales.

                • no wonder your so hated by most people on this site.

                  mike e, it’s got nothing to do with how I am, you hate the image you’ve created because that’s something you want to hate. But it’s nonsense. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you enter into a reasonable discussion here.

                • Vicky32

                  Waffle on troll.

                  Mmm, waffles, delicious! (Keep the troll though, it’ll spoil the taste.) 😀

      • Flying Kiwi 2.1.2

        I read that a couple of cretins managed to put themselves in hospital last week after ‘hufffing’ gas from a 9kg bottle, so we clearly need to increase the price of filling gas bottles.

        • mike e

          No petes solution would be to glamorise it on TV And make sure its available to as many young people as possible.Only maybe 1’000 people huff inNZ several million drink.
          Alcohol damage is much worse its been identified in the enquiry as costing 5to6 billion dollars a year huffing even as a flying kiwi you must be huffing all the time would have a harm factor of less than a $million a year .
          Now deaths attributted.Alcohol over 10 years 5to6 thousand deaths
          Huffing 10 deaths.

    • freedom 2.2

      for those who would like a more balanced breakfast than the current bowls of reefer madness that are being offered. . .


      • muzza 2.2.1

        One of the most obvious deflections of all time of its type, is the lie that pot is the gateway drug..

        Alcohol, has been, and will always be, the gateway drug to other substances, whatever they might be.

        The blantant spin and lies around this disgraceful, as if alchohol is not the first drug that most will encounter!

    • weka 2.3

      What exactly is the point of comment 2? Apart from providing an opportunity for Pete to link to Pete’s blog, the comment is almost entirely useless. Without the actual research (which hasn’t been released yet) in front of us, there is nothing to discuss. And people can’t resist reacting to Pete’s hooks, so yet again we have another round of Georgiandrivel clogging up the start of Open Mike.
      I’m grateful to RedFred for having gotten up earlier this morning than Pete.

  3. muzza 3

    Of course trade agreements involve concessions over the sovereign rights of countries to do things,” he told the Weekend Herald. ” That’s the point of international law.”

    “We needed to control their sovereign right to do whatever suited their fancy. The whole point of international law is to put limits around countries’ sovereignty on the basis of negotiated understandings.”

    Little Timmy Grosser, the corporate poodle, and global government cheerleader!

    • Carol 3.1

      And, of course, Groser’s focus is all on “free trade” benefiting NZ.

      New Zealand’s problem had been the “excess sovereignty” other countries had exerted over it, such as introducing export subsidies, when it tried to diversify its markets away from Europe.

      “Because we have operated in agriculture, in particular, where there were such inadequate legal frameworks internationally, people have just screwed us.
      He said increased domestic wealth generated by free trade agreements meant New Zealand would be less reliant on foreign investment.

      But the people who opposed foreign investment also opposed free trade agreements.

      Concerns have been mounting over part of the deal which gives foreign investors power over countries.

      The article doesn’t report him as saying anything about impact of social welfare, health, environment, etc. So which Kiwis benefit most from these deals, and which ones overall lose out?

      Sound tom me like a benefit for the wealthy, losses in the extent of access to social welfare, health, clean living environment, affordable housing etc, for the majority.

      • muzza 3.1.1

        Will be able to keep its labour/employment laws, or will they be “in the way”?

      • Dr Terry 3.1.2

        Absolutely, Carol. I think a great deal could be added to your “etc” as concerns the majority! This morning’s Herald right wing columnists are in full flourish and as sickening as ever. Key is restored to all his (supposed) glory as he triumphs over the Aussies.

        • muzza

          DT – Just read FOS’s article,

          I am at a loss as to whether she is actually , completely clueless or corrupted now that these type of writings are all she is capable of!

          Fran genuinely seems to believe that “business” and “winning”, are important, and use of quotes such as “NZ Envy”

          “After years of “big brother little brother” sentiment about the transtasman relationship, it is good to see NZ politicians once again footing it in a competitive fashion”

          Fran really does not (want to) see that what the Ozzies are holding out on in regards to the TPPA is, in fact the right thing. Too busy looking for anything that resembles “a win” by her team, even when that means selling out the country to business…

          Well done Fran, you are a bloody idiot!

      • Draco T Bastard 3.1.3

        Quoting article:

        But the people who opposed foreign investment also opposed free trade agreements.

        Yeah, there’s a reason for that – they’re essentially the same thing.

    • AnnaLiviaPlurabella 3.2

      +1 Muzza. Groser’s loyalty is to Trade Agreements in themselves, not to New Zealanders and any advantage they might get from clever competent negotiation.
      Putting Groser, a pure Trade wonk, into this role was stupid. Unlike Labour’s Jim Sutton or Phil Goff, who have mandates and experience as publically elected politicians, Groser would find gaming a negotiation for the benefit of working Kiwis abhorrent.
      Key has sent a wee flawed mon into the TPPA gunfight armed with a butter knife.

      • muzza 3.2.1

        I would say it was deliberate to send Groser to the negotiations, because they would have already “vetted” him in advance to see how weak he was, and know what his push back was going to be. These guys are all brothers, in it for themselves, thats as far as it goes. Little Timmy being on the world stage is about all he cares about, the fellating goes on, and the damage is going to be to the rest of this country, outside the few.
        Once consessions are made, the door is open, and we can be reasonably sure what way the traffic flow!

        Its just a stage in which the outcomes are already known…I understand that people don’t want to believe it, but how much more obvious does it have to bget, until people are going to stand up to these sorts of abuses?

        • mike e

          Muz they will just give growsum a reefer and he will just agree to everything including the spin(dope Pun not intended).
          They will give him the propaganda (spin again) lines to remember and he will blatantly lie to the public as these negotiations will not be released for 4 years because of commercial sensitivity the same old rip off bullshit that the US body corporate con us every time!

    • North 3.3

      Maybe Petey George’s soon to be released study above is superfluous………Little Timmy Groser is ample proof.

      No, Petey in his sneaky round about way is saying he supports dope testing for those ghastly beneficiaries. Groser doesn’t even address the matter of those ghastly beneficiaries.

      • Pete George 3.3.1

        That’s a blatantly false attribution, I didn’t say (or intend to say) anything like that.

        • Te Reo Putake

          Harden up, Pete, it’s an opinion, not an attribution. You know the difference, being a proven liar yourself.

          • Pete George

            You’re proving yourself to be the repeat liar there, absent any proof as usual. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.

            Your stalking attack obsessions have been going for, what, nearly a year? That you seem to have a free pass to continue with immunity says quite a bit. Funny telling me to harden up from cowardly cover.

            I guess you’re angling for me to be labelled the thread disruptor again. Try a mirror. What you keep doing reflects on you.

            • mike e

              PG stalking and lying about alcohol and Dunny can’t do anything.
              Yeah right right you need winding up. when youcan’t stop blatantly BSing .

            • Te Reo Putake

              Ho ho, Pete. You can easily prove me wrong by supplying the evidence you claim to hold, yet, oddly, you don’t. That’s because you are a liar, Pete, and you can’t fudge that fact.
              The good news is that it doesn’t affect your credibility; you have none.

              • I don’t have to prove anything – you repeat accusations with zero proof.

                micky knows but has chosen to remain silent on it. I wouldn’t trust you with information because you have a record of ignoring facts to continue your cowardice. That’s not a good look with your Labour connections, is it.

                • Te Reo Putake

                  Don’t blame other posters, Pete. Put up or shut up. If you aren’t a liar, defend yourself.
                  *For the benefit of younger readers, Pete lied about having the support of the Labour Party for his weak Super discussion site and has consistently refused to put up the evidence that he claims will clear him. This, despite the obvious fact that if Labour had endorsed it, there is no reason why the method of endorsement should be hidden. It can’t be both a public endorsement and a priviliged communication.

                  • This is one of your more pathetic lines of attack, and as usual you don’t know when to give it up. Your accusation, no proof. I don’t have to do anything, with you especially.

                    I have contact with MPs. An email from Trevor Mallard yesterday (and others), from Charles Chauvel the day before. You just sound hissy, is that because it’s your party who talk to me? Do they ignore you?

                    • mike e

                      PG Are you sure you didn’t talk to your mummy as well.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      You can stop me any time you choose to post the evidence that you are not a liar. But you can’t, you silly goose, because the evidence doesn’t exist.
                      Anyhoo, must dash, championship threepeats don’t win themselves and I’ve got to go do my weekly red faced, red nosed Alec Fergusson impression down the park. Hairdryers and squeaky bum time!

            • Vicky32

              Try a mirror. What you keep doing reflects on you.

              Seconded, Pete! (One of the few times I agree with you). He drives me mental, and gets away with all sorts of nastiness, I have no clue why!

        • mike e

          Satire poor little pete!

        • North

          Sorry to upset you Petey………it was just a comment on your extraordinary ability to have dollars each way on everything……….but end up rooting for the right wing anyway……..usually. Just like your boss. Because despite your sham earnestness you’re a right winger who just wants power.

    • jaymam 3.4

      Having just read Gordon Campbell on Maher Arar (Google him), I now think that the Yanks cannot be trusted for anything and we should not sign any agreements with them.
      I would go further and suggest that NZ get Dotcom to set up a file sharing system to distribute US music and US movies for free.


      • Draco T Bastard 3.4.1

        That’s a good article and spot on about the memories of the MSM. As for the US administration, I realised some time ago that they habitually break both international and their law and get away with it. As they get away with it it becomes even more embedded in the corrupt culture that is the US administration and it then gets copied to other administrations – our present government is a case in point. Being able to do so is part of the trappings of the height of power in every empire ever recorded.

  4. A sign of economic improvement??

    Bigger tax take puts doubt on Treasury figures

    Doom and gloom merchants may have to take a back seat for a month or two after the Government accounts released yesterday showed an improvement in both corporate tax and GST for the 11 months ended May.

    The accounts show that core Crown tax revenue in the 11 months was $50.54 billion, up 1.3% on the Budget economic fiscal update figure of $49.87 billion.

    More startling was that the tax take in the year to May was 6.7% higher than the $47.4 billion collected in the previous corresponding period – again throwing doubt on the accuracy of Treasury figures.

    The May 2012 operating balance before losses and gains (obegal) was an improvement at a deficit of $5.9 billion compared with a Treasury forecast of $7 billion.

    Finance Minister Bill English has been one of the most conservative commentators on his own figures but was moved yesterday to call the reduction in the operating deficit “encouraging” – with a caveat.

    “But the global environment remains uncertain, leading to a number of fluctuations in the tax take from month to month.”

    Perhaps another sign that we are coming out of the worst of the economic woes. We just have to keep hoping the wider economic world doesn’t custardise.

    • muzza 4.1

      No dickhead the global situation is in fact deteriorating!

      We are not immune down here!

      How is our debt situation looking!

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        Yeah. Peak debt and peak oil are landing body blows on the global economy. PG: about the world economy, even a dead body can twitch.

  5. Now we have the green “I don’t drive a car” politician Gareth Hughes flying to Europe on a tax payer funded junket, for what? They are all the same ……… bloody politicians are full of shit

  6. mike e 6

    RA this parliamentary exchange has been occurring for maybe 50 to 60 years.
    Its apart of helping democracies flourish at 160,000 dollars its cheap compared to the bio security fuck up on nationals cost cutting at bio security of $400 million which the government could be liable for as they made many mistakes which allowed the psa virus to damage the kiwifruit crop. now farmers are suing biosecurity .
    Because of staff and funding cuts.

    • Regardless of how long it has been running – Gareth Hughes – the green MP likes to go on about how good to the planet he is by not owning a car, yet he is responsible for helping to create at least 2 more humans (the most environment destroying species on the planet), and he is lying to us about Kiwi Saver, and flying to Europe. We are in the age of video conferencing and Skype, surly a GREEN MP doesn’t have to fly anywhere?
      Maybe the greeds can launch an inquiry into the size of each party’s foot print? Over what they actually do in parliament verses what they consume.
      Anyone remotely concerned that the money people are turning our natural gas into methanol and exporting it, I guess as the population starves to death we will not need to heat empty houses.

      • mike e 6.1.1

        RA the synfuel plant has been moth balled for many years as far as I know.
        Most of our excess of natural gas that’s not used for heating commercial or domestic is being used for generating electricity

        • Robert Atack

          Mike, they have just spent $100 million de mothballing it, and don’t New Zealanders use electricity to heat their homes?
          Oh and if he does own a car, it wouldn’t surprise me that he lied about it, you know politician and all that, maybe the car is in the dogs name, and they just borrow it?

      • Hayden 6.1.2

        I’m pretty sure he does own a car, at least there’s one parked outside his house and I’m sure I’ve seen his family getting into it.

  7. rosy 7

    I’m not sure whether it’s irony, humour, cynicism or silliness…
    Karl Marx was recently chosen from a list of 10 contenders to appear on a new issue of MasterCard by customers of German bank Sparkasse in Chemnitz.

    • Foreign Waka 7.1

      Perhaps these quotes may shed light on the rebirth of some ideas:

      Necessity is blind until it becomes conscious. Freedom is the consciousness of necessity.

      The more the division of labor and the application of machinery extend, the more does competition extend among the workers, the more do their wages shrink together.

      Political Economy regards the proletarian … like a horse, he must receive enough to enable him to work. It does not consider him, during the time when he is not working, as a human being. It leaves this to criminal law, doctors, religion, statistical tables, politics, and the beadle.

      Marx, Wages of Labour (1844)

  8. marsman 8

    Little Johny Howard talking to Little Johny Key on TV last night about State Asset sales ” Private ownership is always more efficient, that’s a truism” . Gordon Campbell on Private Public Partnerships so favoured by Shonkey and his lot, in England they cost 12 times more than purely State run Assets!
    Funny that.


    • marsman 8.1

      Hope the morons in Treasury take note.

      • Foreign Waka 8.1.1

        I doubt that, this is about acquisition of assets and the “little folks” will be swept aside either by persuasion or forcing circumstances to lead to the same goal. Watch and learn.

    • North 8.2

      You mean aged blowhard Ozzie fuck black liar “they throw their babies overboard” Little Johnny Howard ? A prime candidate for the Ponce’s affections, of course.

    • DH 8.3

      They really are a scam. One of the parties in the partnership that won the Hobsonville school PPP contract is an Aus property management company. They get a guaranteed income for a quarter of a century. So much for competitive tenders.

    • The whole bunch were pretty scary.Certainly Key was looking very comfortable with Howard and his far Right cronies. I rememeber Yasmin Brown saying on “Dateline London ” that the two most dangerous men in the world were Bush and Howard. I have said before that Key is dangerous and watching him with Howard confirms that. The nuclear issue , privatisation , low wages are what they have in common ,and dont forget their ghastly beliefs on refuges, in nutshell as both have said “we
      dont want you here. Even if it means drowning.

    • The whole bunch were pretty scary.Certainly Key was looking very comfortable with Howard and his far Right cronies. I rememeber Yasmin Brown saying on “Dateline London ” that the two most dangerous men in the world were Bush and Howard. I have said before that Key is dangerous and watching him with Howard confirms that. The nuclear issue , privatisation , low wages are what they have in common ,and dont forget their ghastly beliefs on refuges, in nutshell as both have said “we
      dont want you here. Even if it means drowning.

  9. prism 9

    On Radionz this morning grilled by Kim Hill – he was some hot potato! Be ready to think important and uneasy thoughts.
    (There were many good thinkers and talkers this a.am.)

    11:05 Guy McPherson http://guymcpherson.com/
    Conservation biologist Guy McPherson is Emeritus Professor, Natural Resources and the Environment, at the University of Arizona, and lives off the grid in a straw bale house in New Mexico, raising small livestock and interacting with his rural community. He is visiting New Zealand as keynote speaker for the School Executive Officers’ Conference 2012 (4-6 July).

    • weka 9.1

      Very interesting, and a good mix of political and environmental understanding as well as having intelligent solutions.
      “The industrial world is irredeemably corrupt”
      Interesting he doesn’t like public health via tax.

  10. Huginn 10

    When MoM goes bad . . .

    Public pays for court clash over flats

    The case has been described as “destroying the savings and affecting the mental health” of a group of people whose retirement plans have been ruined . . the scheme was an early public-private partnership using private money to underwrite a public project.


  11. prism 11

    We’re usually compliant with anything said from ‘overseas’ and especially the USA. But now overseas scientists, according to Steven Joyce are ‘silly’ to complain that a drop in NIWA scientists doing important climate change ozone hole monitoring will make a hole in the science network studying this. ‘Silly’, a new scientific word for describing low scientific priorities. Meanwhile SPARC will probably get big bucks as usual.

    • Jim Nald 11.1

      Quite frankly, Stephen “Juvenile and Silly” Joyce should desist from name-calling and, in his own word, “respect” the comment from the internationally respected Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites (CICS), as well as explain how job cuts will not compromise the valuable work NIWA has been doing.

  12. Clashman 12

    Is this what we can look forward to after the sale of our energy companies?

  13. jaymam 13

    Here’s a pic of the auction held at John Key’s house today:

    It was announced that the house was bought by Kim Dotcom.

  14. prism 14

    Memo to Bronagh – next house should have a front and back driveway. Oh, don’t worry we’ll be out of here soon anyway.

  15. joe90 15

    Who would’ve thunk.


    The city where the Waldo Canyon fire destroyed 346 homes and forced more than 34,000 residents to evacuate turned off one-third of its streetlights two years ago, halted park maintenance and cut services to close a $28 million budget gap after sales-tax revenue plummeted and voters rejected a property-tax increase.

    The municipality, at 416,000 the state’s second-largest, auctioned both its police helicopters and shrank public-safety ranks through attrition by about 8 percent; it has 50 fewer police and 39 fewer firefighters than five years ago. More than 180 National Guard troops have been mobilized to secure the city after the state’s most destructive fire. At least 32 evacuated homes were burglarized and dozens of evacuees’ cars were broken into, said Police Chief Pete Carey.

    “It has impacted the response,” said Karin White, a 54- year-old accountant, who returned home June 28 to a looted and vandalized house, with a treasured, century-old family heirloom smashed.

    edit: this too


    • locus 15.1

      i’m truly sorry for those who lost their homes, but will the libertarian mayor and populace recognise that the ‘market’ isn’t going to help them to fight fires and rebuild their city… or will they just see what they can screw out of the US federal system…

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        I hear the invisible hand materialising new subdivisions as we speak.

  16. joe90 16

    Good riddance.

    Google translation

    The sentence is in addition to others that had already received the former dictator.

    The former dictator Jorge Videla of Argentina (1976-1981) was sentenced Thursday to 50 years in prison, while the former dictator Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983) to 15 years in prison, guilty of a systematic theft of babies, children of prisoners -disappeared, said the court.

    “Sentencing the former general Jorge Videla (86 years) to 50 years imprisonment (…) and the former general Reynaldo Bignone (84) to 15 years,” read the court’s president, Mary Roqueta, before a packed room in the presence Estela de Carlotto, the leader of the humanitarian organization Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo.

    Hundreds of relatives of the victims, grandmothers and grandchildren recovered by humanitarian activists celebrated the verdict with shouts and chants, amid scenes of tears and relief against a giant screen installed in the door of the Courts.

    For the implementation of the system and change of identity theft of minors were other judgments to different jail terms between 40 and 15 years, other agents exjerarcas and dictatorial (1976-1983), including a military doctor that operated on midwife clandestine maternity scheme.

    Videla just confessed in a book “about 7 or 8 thousand people had to die” in the repression of opponents and is serving two life sentences in common cell for crimes against humanity, so that the Court decided on Thursday to unify the penalties to maintain life in prison.

    About Bignone (84 years) also weighs a sentence of imprisonment and a sentence of 25 years in prison in two other trials for serious human rights violations.

    • Jenny 16.1

      A far more satisfying and just outcome than that for the dictators of Iraq and Libya. Who were murdered judicially (or ex-judicially) keeping their crimes and their accomplices secret.

      All human rights abusers take note. No matter how much you think you have the support of the rulers of your nation and your backers and supporters. One day all your support networks will fall away and you will be held to account for your actions

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    1 day ago
  • Parliament must restore democracy for Ecan
    Parliament has a chance to return full democracy to Canterbury with the drawing of a member’s bill that would replace the Government’s appointed commissioners with democratically elected councillors, says Labour’s Canterbury Spokesperson Megan Woods. “In 2010, the Government stripped Cantabrians ...
    1 day ago
  • Police struggle to hold the line in Northland
    Labour’s promise of a thousand extra police will go a long way to calming the fears of people in the North, says the MP for Te Tai Tokerau Kelvin Davis.  “Police are talking about the Northland towns of Kaitaia and ...
    2 days ago
  • Urgent action on agriculture emissions needed
    Immediate action is required to curb agricultural emissions is the loud and clear message from Climate change & agriculture: Understanding the biological greenhouse gases report released today by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, says Labour’s Climate Change spokesperson Megan ...
    2 days ago
  • Super Fund climate change approach a good start
    Labour Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson and Climate Change Spokesperson Dr Megan Woods have welcomed the adoption of a climate change investment strategy by the New Zealand Super Fund. “This is a good start. It is a welcome development that the Super ...
    2 days ago
  • Raising the age the right thing to do
    The announcement today that the Government will leave the door open for young people leaving state care still means there is a lot of work to do, says Labour's Spokesperson for Children, Jacinda Ardern "The Government indicated some time ago ...
    3 days ago
  • Coleman plays down the plight of junior doctors
    Junior doctors are crucial to our health services and the industrial action that continues tomorrow shows how desperately the Government has underfunded health, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King.  “Jonathan Coleman’s claim that he has not seen objective evidence of ...
    3 days ago
  • Inflation piles pressure on National and Reserve Bank
    While many households will welcome the low inflation figures announced today, they highlight serious questions for both the National government and the Reserve Bank, Labour’s  Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson said.  "While low inflation will be welcomed by many, the ...
    4 days ago
  • Officials warned Nat’s $1b infrastructure fund ineffective and rushed
    Treasury papers show the Government rushed out an infrastructure announcement officials told them risked making no significant difference to housing supply, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “Like so much of National’s housing policy, this was another poll-driven PR initiative ...
    4 days ago
  • More cops needed to tackle P
    New Police statistics obtained in Written Questions show John Key is losing his War on P, highlighting the need for more Police, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “New Zealanders expect serious action on P but today’s hodgepodge of half-measures won’t ...
    4 days ago
  • MBIE docs show country needs KiwiBuild, not Key’s pretend “building boom”
    John Key’s spin that New Zealand is in a building boom does not change the massive shortfall in building construction as new MBIE papers reveal, says Labour Party housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “We can fix the housing crisis, by the ...
    5 days ago
  • 1 in 7 Akl houses now going to big property speculators
    Speculators are running riot in the Auckland housing market making life tougher for first home buyers, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  Newly released data from Core Logic shows a 40 per cent increase in the share of house sales ...
    7 days ago
  • Labour mourns passing of Helen Kelly
    Helen Kelly was a passionate advocate for working New Zealanders and for a safe and decent working life, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says.  “Helen Kelly spent her adult life fighting for the right of every working person to ...
    1 week ago
  • Andrew Little: Speech to the Police Association Conference 2016
    Police Association delegates, Association life members and staff, representatives from overseas jurisdictions. Thank you for inviting me here today. The Police Association has become a strong and respected voice for Police officers and for policing in New Zealand. There is ...
    1 week ago
  • 1,000 more police for safer communities
    Labour will fund an extra 1,000 Police in its first term to tackle the rising rate of crime, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. “Labour will put more cops on the beat to keep our communities safe. ...
    1 week ago
  • Call for all-party round table on homelessness
    Labour is calling on the Government to take part in a roundtable meeting to hammer out a cross-party agreement on ending homelessness.  Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford said the country wanted positive solutions to homelessness, and wanted the political parties ...
    1 week ago
  • Working people carrying the can for the Government
    Today’s announcement of a Government operating surplus is the result of the hard work of many Kiwi businesses and workers, who will be asking themselves if they are receiving their fair share of growth in the economy, Grant Robertson Labour ...
    1 week ago
  • Breast cancer drugs should be available
    Labour supports the Breast Cancer Aotearoa Coalition’s campaign for better access to cancer treatments as more patients are denied what is freely available in Australia, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King.  “In the last three years, PHARMAC’s funding has been ...
    1 week ago
  • Community law centres get much needed support from banks
      New Zealand’s network of community law centres, who operate out of more than 140 locations across the country, have today received a much needed boost, says Labour’s Justice spokesperson Jacinda Ardern.  “After more than 8 years of static funding ...
    1 week ago
  • Just 18 affordable homes in Auckland SHAs – It’s time for KiwiBuild
    New data revealing just 18 affordable homes have been built and sold to first home buyers in Auckland’s Special Housing Areas show National’s flagship housing policy has failed and Labour’s comprehensive housing plan is needed, says Leader of the Opposition ...
    1 week ago
  • Pasifika wins big in Auckland elections
    The Labour Party’s Pacific Candidates who stood for local elections in Auckland came out on top with 14 winners, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Our candidates have won seats on one ward, four local boards, two ...
    1 week ago
  • Seven7 hikoi to stop sexual violence
    1 week ago
  • Road toll passes 2013 total
    The road toll for the year to date has already passed the total for the whole of 2013, raising serious questions about the Government’s underfunding of road safety, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Sue Moroney.  “According to the Ministry of Transport, ...
    1 week ago
  • Bay principals slam charter school decision
    A letter from Hawke’s Bay principals to the Education Minister slams the lack of consultation over the establishment of a charter school in the region and seriously calls into question the decision making going on under Hekia Parata’s watch, says ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government needs to act on voter turnout crisis
    With fewer than 40 per cent of eligible voters having their say in the 2016 local elections, the Government must get serious and come up with a plan to increase voter turnout, says Labour’s Local Government Spokesperson Meka Whaitiri. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Inquiry presents solutions to homelessness – Govt must act
    Labour, the Green Party and the Māori Party are calling on the Government to immediately adopt the 20 recommendations set out in today's Ending Homelessness in New Zealand report. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • A good night for Labour’s local government candidates
    It has been a good night for Labour in the local government elections. In Wellington, Justin Lester became the first Labour mayor for 30 years, leading a council where three out of four Labour candidates were elected. Both of Labour’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More contenders for fight clubs
    Allegations of fight clubs spreading to other Serco-run prisons must be properly investigated says Labour’s Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister runs for cover on job losses
    Māori Development Minister Te Ururoa Flavell’s refusal to show leadership and provide assurances over the future of the Māori Land Court is disappointing, given he is spearheading contentious Maori land reforms which will impact on the functions of the Court, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Kiwisaver contribution holiday not the break workers were looking for
    The number of working New Zealanders needing to stop Kiwisaver payments is another sign that many people are not seeing benefit from growth in the economy, says Grant Robertson Labour’s Finance spokesperson. "There has been an increase of 14 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Fight Club failings
    The Corrections Minister must take full responsibility for the widespread management failings within Mt Eden prison, says Labour’s Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Rethink welcomed
    The Labour Party is pleased that Craig Foss is reconsidering the return of New Zealand soldiers buried in Malaysia, says Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer. “For the families of those who lie there, this will a welcome move. The ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Disappointment over UN vote
    Helen Clark showed her characteristic drive and determination in her campaign to be UN Secretary General, and most New Zealanders will be disappointed she hasn't been selected, says the Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. "Helen Clark has been an ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori need answers on Land Court job losses
    Māori landowners, Māori employees and Treaty partners need answers after a Ministry of Justice consultation document has revealed dozens of roles will be disestablished at the Māori Land Court, says Ikaroa-Rāwhiti MP Meka Whaitiri. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Key’s ‘efficiencies’ = DHBs’ pain
          John Key’s talk of ‘efficiencies’ ignores the fact the Government is chronically underfunding health to the tune of $1.7 billion, says Labour’s Acting Health spokesperson Dr David Clark.       ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More than 1,300 schools to face budget cuts
    The latest Ministry of Education figures reveal thousands of schools will face cuts to funding under National’s new operations grant funding model, says Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Speculation fever spreads around country
    House prices in Wellington, Hamilton and Tauranga are going off as a result of uncontrolled property speculation spilling over from the Auckland market, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “Speculators who have been priced out of Auckland are now fanning ...
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand lags on aid targets
      The National Government needs to live up to its commitments and allocate 0.7 per cent of Gross National Income on development assistance, says Labour’s spokesperson on Pacific Climate Change Su’a William Sio.  “The second State of the Environment Report ...
    2 weeks ago
  • War on drugs needs more troops
    The Minister of Police must urgently address the number of officers investigating illegal drugs if she is serious about making a dent in the meth trade, says Labour’s Police spokesperson Stuart Nash.  “Answers from written questions from the Minister show ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Doctors strike symptom of health cuts
    The notice of strike action issued by the junior doctors today is the result of years of National’s cuts to the health system, says Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Dr David Clark. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government starves RNZ into selling Auckland asset
    Just weeks after TVNZ opened its refurbished Auckland head office costing more than $60 million, RNZ (Radio New Zealand) has been forced to put its Auckland office on the market to keep itself afloat, says Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Clare Curran. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government must be more than a bystander on the economy
    Despite what he might think John Key is not a political commentator, but actually a leader in a Government who needs to take responsibility for the conditions that mean a rise in interest rates, says Labour’s Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson.  “John ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Māori Party all hui no-doey on housing
    The Māori Party should stop tinkering and start fixing tragic Māori housing statistics in the face of a national housing crisis, says Labour’s Māori Development spokesman Kelvin Davis. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Labour committed to eliminating child poverty
    Labour accepts the challenge from Children’s Commissioner Andrew Becroft to cut child poverty and calls on the Prime Minister to do the same, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. ...
    3 weeks ago