Thank you NOT Muldoon, Hanna Barbera, Dancing Cossacks, whoever passed for the National Party’s Crosby Textor of the day, and Rob’s Mob – of which band of mouthy Young Nats our current PM was a member in spirit if not formally. Not to overlook the thickos who so readily fell for the “Reds Under the Bed” hysteria whipped up by the McCarthyist power drunk (and drunk) Muldoon.
Your infinite superiority in all things is SO vindicated.
Mr Littlewood said more savings did not necessarily generate more growth.
“You just need to look at Japan. They have oodles of savings but have had negative growth for years.”
Oh, FFS. That’s because japan became a major exporting nation and when other nations started to catch up with them their exports inevitably decreased. NZ will go the same way.
There are a several theories on the lost decade(s)
Low productivity growth, mostly for demographic reasons
Liquidity trap following asset price bubble (NKY topped out near 40,000 it is now 14,800. The Imperial once had a land value equal to California (or so the anecdote goes) etc etc
It didn’t actually have a lost decade. Standard of living never really fell during the 80’s and 90’s even though asset prices did significantly. Read some of the articles by Eamonn Fingleton.
Personally I think it is liquidity trap, low interest rates, associated devaluation and a compounding effect from really awful demographics. As to exports it is still the 4th largest exporter in the world, plus a huge amount of production has been moved offshore, mainly to China, and the bulk of the revenue from that still heads home.
Another rat jumping ship… if they were really that confident of winning the next election, why would so many of them be abandoning the S.S. National? I can’t imagine a Nat minister getting over sick of troughing it
Easy if the price is right zorr, just dangle a carrott and off they trot.
Many other troughs for them aside from parliament, just look where blue, knapp, georgina etc are now a bit of cash into the bargain and bye bye potential liability.
You reckon it is because they feel that their mission has come to the end and NZ is now in a state ripe for plunder? Thanks to their own legislative changes of course…
The nats sent jamie lee ross onto native affairs last night where he was made to look the vacuous slogan touting dropkick he is.
Flavell puts on a good show for his part in this toxic govt and jones is patchy but can we see more of JLR please, he makes bridges look like a genius.
Yes i was pleased again to see the wide cross section of New Zealand politics represented again on Maori TV’s Native Affairs and like you enjoyed the contempt shown to Ross every time He attempted to waffle in political speak,
The contrast was stark,starting at Winston,who despite the image has His mind totally ‘around’ Maori issues, quite happily pointing out to Ross that He was in nappies when Winston was first Minister of Maori Affairs, even Shane Jones,presumably understanding ‘the audience’ made His points clearly without the usual attempts to show His education with the insertion of any number of 12 letter words,
Cut across to the left of that ‘panel’ of politicians and Metiria and Hone looked relaxed,chatty,and open to having a bit of fun, the stark contrast in behavior and speech from those two,who also had a full grip on the issues,being able to succinctly address them to the camera with the minimum amount of waffling bullshit, made Nationals Jamie Lee Ross look every bit the anal retentive He gives every indication of being…
Yes I watched it this morning, and it was like tagteam polatics but 4 on 2 and poor old Jamie. (I must admit to laughing at his treatment) just copped it from all sides. And Winston was in fine form in slapping down the young upstart. No wonder none of the Nat Maori MP’s wanted a bar of that show.
Flavell’s waffle was only a smidgeon less irritating that Ross’s I found – he took a long time to say very little. Those two were in marked contrast to the rest of the panel
I often wonder whether J-L R is one of the trolls that often pop up here from time to time on TS. If you ever catch him spouting his dogma on that dreadful TV1 Breakfast programme, you could place bets on which of the trolls it is.
Lieutenant General The Right Honourable Sir Jerry Mateparae was taken into protective custody by police last night. Constitutional lawyers, academics, voters and MP’s were fuming with rage towards the GG.
MPs had received letters from the un-elected functionary instructing them on how the stand, bow, sit, talk and walk in a deferential manner when meeting celebrities.
Most voters were of the view that they were smart enough to elect MPs who knew how to get out of bed in the morning and perform all/most of the necessary functions required for social engagement. Jerry will be released when two spongers names Windsor leave to do nothing somewhere else.
Response from my complaint to the NZ Herald. I was unaware a column could deplore someone’s behaviour. A defensive response. Note the Herald admits they are critical of others, but at least don’t try and pretend they criticize JK.
Thank you for your email complaining about two columns which have appeared in the Herald newspaper and online at nzherald.co.nz
In essence, you complain that the columns, in their different ways, are deliberately slanted against David Cunliffe to smear him.
It’s important to remember the background of these two pieces.
Both are columns by two of our most senior political and economic journalists. They are giving their opinion of the performance of Mr Cunliffe as columnists are expected and encouraged to do. Both columns are clearly marked as comment. You would expect these columnists to take a position. In this case they do, around Mr Cunliffe’s concealing of a trust for donations to his leadership campaign.
Both these cases refer to news stories of that week in which Mr Cunliffe had to reveal the trust.
· Mr Cunliffe had been in the news about omitting to reveal his secret trust for donations.
· Two columnists, rightly, gave their opinion on his behaviour and performance
· This was hardly systemic bias against Mr Cunliffe as columnists rightly calling him to account
As to your specific points:
· You point out the picture used on Claire Trevett’s column as being unflattering. While it possibly could be considered that – when I saw it I thought it showed Mr Cunliffe in full flight of oratory – the article does specifically point out that some weeks a politician can’t catch a break, like the woman who wouldn’t vote for him because his face is “crumpled”. The picture reflects the structure of the column.
· You also question the use of the word “laundered” in Ms O’Sullivan’s column. While it is strong language, it is surely justified. Mr Cunliffe admitted he had used a secret trust to hide – or “launder” – campaign funds.
· You claim that both columns are biased against Mr Cunliffe. They are certainly critical of his actions. They deplore his behaviour. But they are far from “biased”. In fact, Ms O’Sullivan even goes out of her way to mention what she and other business people see as his good points – “He’s a known quantity. He’s personable.”
These are both strong, critical columns as you’d expect from senior journalists confronted with a lapse by a leading politician. But they do not show systemic bias against Mr Cunliffe.
The Herald strives to be fair to politicians of all stripes; to praise and criticize across the spectrum where it is necessary. Ms O’Sullivan in weeks around the Cunliffe column, for example, had praised the appointment of Matt McCarten as Mr Cunliffe’s political advisor and, equally, criticized Kim Dotcom’s political behaviour. Ms Trevett had been critical of Judith Collins over the Oravida affair.
A single column can be highly critical and use strong language. But over the long term, Herald readers will get a nuanced picture of the strengths and weaknesses of candidates through ongoing, in-depth analysis.
It’s not, in my opinion, so much that they have a go at David Cunliffe when he does poos on the carpet, as that they consistently fail to do so when John Key and his ministers commit the same sin
Agree, certainly don’t want Cunliffe /Labour to get a free ride (the way Key does). My complaints were very specific, but if you read the Heralds response, they have gone into complete over drive.
Of not that don’t mention Key as one of the people they have been critical of, so I guess in a funny sort of way, you have to give them some credit for that.
I have not accepted their response and I have asked the Press Council to proceed with this.
theyve left you an opening – probably without realising it
“A single column can be highly critical and use strong language. But over the long term, Herald readers will get a nuanced picture of the strengths and weaknesses of candidates through ongoing, in-depth analysis.”
Looks like they’re getting the interns to respond to complaints. What a remarkably poor effort.
My Oxford dictionary gives the definition of ‘launder’ (when applied to money) as ‘to transfer illegally obtained money to conceal its origins’. Wikipedia defines it as ‘the process whereby the proceeds of crime are transformed into ostensibly legitimate money or other assets’.
There is no justification for O’Sullivan using that word.
also Radio New Zealand news just reported on the value of the Norm Kirk pension scheme but neglected to say it was the National party that canned it. what a pack of jerks. i.e. both the tories and RNZ.
welcome to the monkey house.
I disagree. Espiner’s husky, soft tones don’t make much of an impact from a male announcer. And I don’t like the trend of his questioning method. It appears that his idea of asking the hard questions is to frame the important matter in his own mind on one or two points that he puts sharply demanding a yes/no answer whether relevant to the initial subject or not.
It seems that he is copying Mary Wilson in this insistence on an answer to whatever he has framed as his matter-of-interest. Mary has her own unique approach, and does this at times as referred to here earlier this year, (I quote below.) I fear that Espiner is going to follow this behaviour regularly. spear-tackling his interviewees in order to prove to himself he is a no-nonsense journalist. http://thestandard.org.nz/dear-radionz-the-largest-party-does-not-win-the-election/#comment-768240 Jane Clifton from NZ Listener of 12/Nov/2005 says about Wilson that she can be “grotesquely querulous”. No doubt this thought popped in to her head after hearing Mary Wilson pursuing some point she wanted elucidated, unimportant in itself, but a determined effort to pin down the flighty facts of her interviewee.
I think that Espiner and Susie Fergusson should go after the story that follows the news item and is of present interest. This morning Espiner wanted to discuss points about possible election partner with Hone when I think the issue was institutional racism. I’ve forgotten now what the topic was. That type of interview just confuses the listener, and is not what we want from a competent interviewer who is committed to getting the facts on the matter under discussion. Instead he was using his interview as a honey trap to get the interviewee so he could put his question in a way that would reveal hints on what was Espiner’s current personal obssession.
I thought that particular super scheme was the brainchild of Rowling and not Kirk? But it matters little as Muldoon and the Cossacks won the day.
And to say that it would be worth $$$$ now really is just journalists showing they can use the multiplication button on Excel.
The super scheme would have altered downwards the take home pay of the workers of that generation, and the generations since. So something else would have changed for any Government to balance their books. even lower wages? no student loans? a poorer WFF? lower benefits? higher taxes? lower treaty settlements?
Its lazy journalism to suggest that the super scheme would live in isolation of every other piece of Government policy.
The credit for that little scheme goes, roughly equally to Rowling and to Roger Douglas. Most of the work put into the white paper was contributed by young Roger. Rowling was the PM at the time and was the one who would have caught the flak so he deserves a lot of the credit for it going ahead.
Kirk was not, I was informed at the time, at all in favour.
For He whom the bell tolls, ”If evidence befor Him emerged as described by the Crown”,(then it could be),”Reasonably concluded that Mr Banks knew that the returns were false”
So said Justice Edwin Wylie yesterday at the Auckland High Court effectively slipping the noose over John Banks head,
Banks appears to have just run out of ‘wriggle room’ with His latest and third attempt to avoid facing trial for filing false electoral returns and the acidic comments from Justice Wylie in again committing Banks to face trial in May would tend to suggest, considering the evidence the Crown has, that Banks is pushing a very large pile of excrement up a very steep slippery hill in His attempts to avoid conviction and expulsion from the Parliament,
i deduce from Justice Wylie’s comments that the Court will not accept the Banks version of events ”that He didn’t read the electoral return” as any exoneration of the charge, it seems the actions of Banks leading up to the signing of this document will in fact be the ‘crux’ of the balance of guilt or innocence…
“Justice Wylie said if the Crown evidence emerged as forecast at trial, there was enough to find Mr Banks wanted the donations to be anonymous, and knew they would be listed that way because he had kept Mr Hutchison “in the dark”.”
‘Mr Key admitted he felt sorry for Banks. “I do a little bit in reality,” he said. “This is a form he filled out in 2010. I believe him to be a thoroughly honest guy.”‘
The thing I can’t understand is that if Banks is right, signatures on legal documents are apparently worthless.
I thought the whole point of having the MP sign the declaration is that he is putting his name & position on the line, certifying that his campaign followed the rules & accepting the price if found to have been incorrect.
I suspect though that we have worrying at least recent precedent in the form of various Finance co directors getting off for prospectuses etc that they signed.
This from NZ Herald seems to be very key evidence regarding the Dotcom donation
Quizzed by police over what he told his team about Dotcom, Mr Banks said he told them nothing. Asked why, he told police: “Well, I wanted him to make it, ah, and I, I told him he could make it anonymous.”
its a criminal charge and proving banks knew he was signing a false document is crucial.
it see.s banks and graham and brash could all take directors fees from finance companies and actually know nothing… which is what passes cor honest these days
You forget that Banks was not an MP at the time. He was just someone who had been the losing candidate in an election and held no public office at all.
I suspect he didn’t have the slightest interest in the subject and simply wanted to get the paperwork out of the way and to forget about the whole affair. I suspect most losing candidates are exactly the same.
Somebody else has prepared the return and he simply asked, is it alright and signed it.
After all, given that you don’t think you have any electoral future and given you are not in power you can’t do anyone any favours why do you worry.
not exactly. the crown still have to prove he knew the return was false. signing it isnt enough. knowledge is crucial. knowingly not reading it is arguable but tenuous.
there will be a trial.
has banks made grannys front page over this, this week?
That’s the banks defense, but the courts might well rule that a willful lack of knowledge is as good as knowing.
They don’t like people playing silly buggers with finances, the electoral system or official documents. Banksie snaps all three with his “flicked through but didn’t read” defense.
That would be him saying that he didn’t know he wasn’t allowed to lie on a form.
He’s arguing that he couldn’t have know that what he signed was false because he did not know what he was signing. Slightly different.
Similarly, if I shot someone who was pointing an unloaded/harmless gun at me, I would only legally be guilty of murder if I knew at the time that the gun was harmless. If I didn’t know the gun was harmless, it would be reasonable self defense.
Fortunately the courts have seen through his ‘ignorance’ so far, so I’m hoping that will continue and he gets thrown in to jail in disgrace.
If only the voters of Epsom had been less ocularly impaired.
In the last of its ‘leaders interviews’ in the series RadioNZ National’s Nine to Noon will interview Peter ‘the hairdo’ Dunne around 9.30 this morning,
This might be described as ‘must miss radio’ containing all the enlightenment of dripping mud…
Breaking news:
“Seven major Hollywood movie studios have filed a massive copyright infringement lawsuit against Megaupload and its founder Kim Dotcom.”
It will be an interesting case. I don’t know what US law is like, but in New Zealand it would actually be a useful case. The law around authorisation is awfully blurry (does the Amstrad case apply or not?). In a nutshell, though, you’re in trouble if you “sanction, approve and countenance” a breach of copyright or in other words the person “means to grant or purport to grant” the infringing copyright act.
So Dotcom will obviously plead ignorant and say that MegaUpload didn’t sanction or approve copyright breaches. Which is playing hard and fast with the truth, but very hard to disprove.
So, if US law is anything like New Zealand’s, I think Hollywood has the moral high ground (ugh) and Dotcom has the legal standing (ugh).
There’s no winner in that battle of the dreadful.
Still, it highlights the fact that copyright law needs to be updated and certain industries need to update with the time. I’d just rather see Labour and the Greens incorporate that with some sensible, techno-savy candidates rather than hiring the poacher to become the gamekeeper. And from what I’ve heard of Dotcom’s stance on copyright, it’s still more poacher than gamekeeper.
Thanks for the information Disraeli. As a non-legal person I can’t get past the idea that what use of the money that I bank and withdraw is of no interest or responsibility of banking officials. Or the items I store in a lockup then on-sell them.
Or that electronic materials stored in a cloud, (unless identified by someone as being illegal) can hold the cloud operators responsible.
It’s something copyright law grappled with. I think the very original authorisation case was about whether a tape recorder was an authorisation. This is obviously too far. Sure, a tape recorder may have led to illegal taping of music, but you can’t hold the tape recorder manufacturer liable for that.
And I feel in principle the same should apply to “the cloud”. But (and this is not just MegaUpload but all cloud operators), the extent of the copying being spread through sites like those suggest something needs to be done (a willful blindness clause if you like).
For instance, if you had a bank which was home to all of the world’s money laundering or a single lock-up that was used by all the criminals in one town to hide their goods. Would we say, “well, look, they can’t be held responsible”? Or would we very quickly consider a law change to say “look, you play dumb, if you’re being willfully ignorant then you’re liable”?
But this is just one aspect of copyright law. The film and television industry needs to make it easier to get the content legally (like the music industry has been doing). There’s no reason to have months gap before international broadcasts that make people turn to illegal means, for example. They’re making the problem more relevant.
Obviously, most of this is spent on talk of movies or music, but copyright reform is wider than that. Ebooks now means literature can be pirated (and has been, though not Slater posting The Luminaries and then downloading it to show that Mega is bad). Photographers and artists regularly have their works copied across the internet without consent. Cloud services are sometimes used to aid in these endeavours.
I’m going to sound horrendously snobbish here, I feel like society (especially New Zealand society) doesn’t place a whole lot of value on “the artist”. Authors, musicians, photographers, painters aren’t celebrated much (look at America Cup coverage vs Eleanor Catton winning the Booker!). And yet, we’re celebrating Dotcom’s rise against the establishment when he’s in the business of lowering these creative people’s already quite pitiful income (with notable exceptions).
How many times has John Key been to Hollywood? (genuine question)
The only time I can think of was late 2012 (October/November). The Dotcom raid was in January of 2012. So that doesn’t contradict Key’s “I’ve never heard of Dotcom before”.
Quite frankly, my opinion on that question is this:
John Key knew of Dotcom. Probably not in any detail but I find it hard to imagine he wasn’t aware of a multi-millionaire German with a colourful past in his back yard. But, I don’t think Kim Dotcom has any evidence that Key does know of him, which is going to be the smoking gun.
john key said he wouldnt be discussing dotcom when he went to Hollywood. you are confusing his lies. the one I am talking about is seperate to the one you are referring to.
Now that is the 64 million dollar question. How many times has he been to the USA? and how many to California. and let us not forget that TricKey lives in Hawaii, and he’s Obama’s Golf Buddy. Well Obama’s arse kisser more like.
The studios obviously don’t feel that what enough (if it did happen). Obviously it wasn’t since you could still find a cornucopia of pirated material on MegaUpload the day before it went down.
I sort of agree. That’s why I said that MegaUpload has the legal standing in this case, I suspect.
But I think the issue is that MegaUpload was reactive (they’d wait till the studios found the link and came to them). Whereas, say, YouTube are proactive (they will sometimes flag a video and get rid of it if it is obviously in breach of copyright).
But I agree that really, with the current law (if US is similar to New Zealand), yeah, MegaUpload has a defence.
point remains – every other cloud manager removes or restricts the file. Mega only deletes a link. No rational business purpose for doing it that way except to facilitate privacy.
point remains – every other cloud manager removes or restricts the file.
Have to be able to tell if it’s the same file which does seem to be a problem. And I suspect that it’s even more difficult with movies that use different encoding, different file names, etc.
The takedown notice doesn’t apply to a movie, it applies to a particular file. Dropbox for instance when they get a notice for a particular file, they scan their system and restrict that file and any exact copies of that file. Dotcom on the other hand just deleted a link, leaving the offending file and duplicates of it on their system without restriction.
result is on mega you vcan fund hundreds of links to the same movie file held in numerous different directories. DCMA notice arrives, just one link is removed still leaving numerous links and copies of the file easily accessible..
on dropbox, every copy of that movie file is restricted.
very different models. The best analogy for the role of dotcom is a pimp, a money launderer, or an arms dealer….. not actually doing the end crime but living on the proceeds of that crime.
The takedown notice doesn’t apply to a movie, it applies to a particular file.
Great. That particular file can be taken, modified ever so slightly, and no longer meet the hash. It even says that on the article about DropBox you linked to.
Dotcom on the other hand just deleted a link, leaving the offending file and duplicates of it on their system without restriction.
You have no proof of that.
result is on mega you vcan fund hundreds of links to the same movie file held in numerous different directories.
Chances are that there’s actually hundreds of different files. Even DropBox won’t be able to work out if each is the same without actually opening them and they’re not doing that.
the amazon story is a different issue.
In some respects but the same in other ways – a different file has a different hash tag and if all these online services are only using hash algorithms to see if the file is the same as another then they won’t pick up anything. Amazon should have it easier as they just need to do a text search and compare but that, I suspect, would still take a hell of a lot more processing power than a hash check.
Well actually there is. If you read the FBI indictment it references emails between mega employees stating exactly that, and even more tellingly that they are doing it to circumvent the takedown notices.
“Chances are that there’s actually hundreds of different files. Even DropBox won’t be able to work out if each is the same without actually opening them and they’re not doing that.”
Do you understand how digital technology works? A file run thru the same hash algorithm will have the same hash each time. You don’t “open the file” to compare. You compare the hashes. If they are the same the files are the same. If they are not they are different. What Mega did (and this is also claimed in the indictment) was create different hashes for the same file. Reputable cloud storage facilities would only ever have one hash for a particular file and its identical copies.
But you do point out one flaw in the process – even of the files differ but just 1 byte then they are not the same file. The takedown applies to specific files and their exact copies not to the content.
Well actually there is. If you read the FBI indictment it references emails between mega employees stating exactly that, and even more tellingly that they are doing it to circumvent the takedown notices.
That’s an allegation, not proof. And from what I’ve seen out of the US over those allegations they should be taken with a grain of salt. It is, after all, quite easy to spoof an email as coming from a particular address.
Do you understand how digital technology works?
Yes I do, you’re the one who seems to have difficulty with it.
A file run thru the same hash algorithm will have the same hash each time.
No fucking kidding but two different files will have different hashes. What you don’t seem to grasp is that it’s possible to have two different files with different hashes that have the same video in it.
oh boohoo, record companies & movie moguls have been ripping off creative ppl for years. i also dont understand why youtube gets a free ride, check out the amount of copywrited material on there, its always my first port of call before i try find a torrent, more often than not the tv show/movie is on there for free download. so why dont they get sued?
If you read the US indictment, they allege that the difference with Mega was that when Mega received a DCMA takedown notice they didn’t do what dropbox, google etc do but they actively created new hashes to facilitate continued downloading.
As an experiment try this. Pick a popular movie and see how long it takes for you to find a downloadable copy on mega.co.nz
Last night it took me less than fiveminutes to find and start downloading a copy of the hobbit. There are tons of searchable lists (for instance http://mega-search.me/) of copyrighted material on mega that you can easily find and download. So even with the new improved mega model it is still trivial to find and download copyrighted material. Do the same experiment with any of dropbox, sugarsync, google drive, icloud, mozy, zipcloud, cashpolan etc and I think you’d struggle to find the same degree of facilitation of sharing of copyrighted material. The only real difference in business models is the lack of uploading incentive payments. Megaupload was, and mega is clearly designed to facilitate the anonymous sharing of copyrighted material. Dotcom is a pimp – attempting to take a cut from criminal activities of others.
We sometimes receive DMCA notices to remove links on copyright grounds. When we receive these, we process them according to the law and disable the identified link.
They mean the same thing that happened to Sintel (now fixed but it shouldn’t have happened in the first place).
Reminder for tonight’s ERA changes meeting should you be in Wellington:
PUBLIC MEETING, TUESDAY, 8TH APRIL, 7 – 8.30PM: “GIVE US A BREAK!”
This is a public meeting to discuss The Employment Relations Amendment Act and how the proposed changes will affect union members and workers. There will be three guest speakers followed by an open discussion on the changes and what action may be taken to prevent this anti worker bill being passed.
As as so often been the case in recent years, Peter Dunne holds the critical vote.
The meeting is being hosted by People’s Power Ohariu and is being held at the Uniting Church, 18 Dr Taylor Terrace, Johnsonville, Wellington. All welcome!
But there seems to be no political will to address it apart from the ALCP. The Greens seen lukewarm at best, it doesn’t fit with their marketing strategy. Cunliffe says Labour won’t decriminalise. No sign of anything from National on it. Winston and the rest aren’t likely to do anything.
So we have momentum around the world, we have growing acknowledgement that things aren’t working here as they are but no sign of any change.
Would this be a good issue to be driven non-partisan by the blogosphere? Is anyone here interested in taking part in a joint effort to make this an election issue?
Distraction politics 101 from the master fence sitter himself, if it concerns you so much lead the charge yourself from your own site as you obviously have the time on your hands.
Start by proving that ‘So we have momentum around the world..’ with some facts and figures proving it’s a global trend.
You focus on that whilst the main parties focus on removing this toxic gov’t your mate props up.
In Pete’s defence tc (did i just write that ?)
He has three posts up on his blog on the subject http://yournz.org/
I have no idea what they say though as I have installed the latest in Anti-troll technology. The add-on works a treat. Every time I go near his blog a rabid Gorilla jumps out of my machine and flicks my earlobe with a wet tea towel every three seconds until I leave the page.
In the seconds between attacks I have deciphered that his posts of late do resemble WOBH an awful lot, mainly quotes from others interspersed with short strings of wordshapes.
I think Freedom that you may need to tweak the Anti Troll bit, Try getting the Gorilla to leave out the tea towel, and just hit you behind the ear. I mean you even added a link, so the Tea towel is just not working…..
“Other countries don’t allow offshore property speculation, and neither should we. Labour will restrict sales of property (including farmland) to offshore speculators, so families that live here can get into a home of their own.”
Cars that speed out of driveways aren’t just a problem for cyclists on the pavement, but also posties on cycles on the pavement, children on cycles on the pavement, joggers on the pavement, motorized wheelchairs.
This notion perpetrated by Moro that cyclists are more like motorbikes, than joggers, or children on bikes, r posties or old people in their motorized chairs… …is wrong. Cars that gun out of driveways are a problem for all uses of footpaths.
Second jaywalking is prevalent in NZ, when there are no cars around, and anyone getting off their bike, lifting it up and running across the road (when no traffic is around), is not jaywalking just because there is a red light. That’s just weird that they wouldn’t take the safer option and just ride on through the red light. As a red light is for motorized vehicles.
Cyclists are like pedestrians and are not road vehicles, and its about time road users started see cycle lands like they would pavements, as a place not to block, that could have any kind of
user on them, as they are not part of the traffic but for non-motorized vehicles.
As to cyclists riding the pavement, they cannot get up to 30 km/hr and have never to my knowledge ever caused a fatality of a pedestrian. Massive horsepower does that.
Oh, and a caller to Moro said something astonishingly stupid. That competition is natural, actually cooperation is far more prevalent. If we didn’t cooperate the roads would be dangerous and congested, but by accept rules that are fair too all we get to lower the danger and the congestion.
And that means cyclist should not fear traveling on the road, and that’s why they should ride the pavements so our council planners can realize where the dangers are and start dealing to them.
No need for research just measure the number of cyclists on the foot path and you’ll get a very good measure of the danger they feel from riding alongside trucks, etc.
Cyclists are slower, so drivers of course see them and comment on them more. Moro needs to realize this, that a segment of the community with their anger hat on will naturally fine narratives that
use cyclists to push their anger, rather than the othe rway around. Its like road rage by radio shock jock.
If Labour wants more voters they must not raise the super age.
A vital couple % of voters and I have met some, “don’t know don’t wanna know” kiwis in their late 50s early 60s will take ShonKey’s bait and switch on not raising the the super age. Labour will get no brownie points what so ever by playing demographics and population bubbles. The fact is super at 60 for those that need it could be afforded if corporate welfare was cut off.
Get real Labour and drop the sideshows, the key, heh, strategic goal for September is denying the Key gang a further term in office. “Feed the kids, house the homeless, a job for everyone that wants to work” as Hone says.
Kiwis who are currently in their late 50 early 60’s will not be impacted, or only by a few months, by Labour’s proposal to raise the retirement age, assuming it is the same framework as Labour’s 2011 election policy.
People aged 59 or older won’t have their age of entitlement increase at all.
For every year under 59, the entitlement is only pushed out by 2 months. Working an extra 2-6 months won’t make much of a difference for most.
Revealing comment from Key in relation to a anti-Semitic posting on the Young Nats fb page:
“I’ve certainly never met anybody in the National Party, certainly Young Nats, that’s ever expressed those sort of comments to me. I went to the Young Nats ball on Saturday night and you can probably imagine the sort of reception I got. And it’s pretty well known that my mother was Jewish.”
“… my mother was Jewish”.
I think that makes it pretty clear that he does not regard himself as Jewish, which will disappoint at least one frothing Jewish Bankster conspiracy theorist who occasionally pops in to TS.
Of course if there were anti-semites in the young nats then he’s the last person they’re going to express those views in front of, because he’s the fucking leader of their party and his mother was a fucking jew.
The Envrioment Court has rules that the Public Works Act cannot be used to take part of the ourt views the taking of this piece of land as not essential as there is also another planned route for the road in question…
Lolz excuse the above comment, what it should say is that the Enviroment Court has said the Public Works Act cannot be used to take a piece of ancestral land belonging to well know writer Patricia Grace,
The Court says that as there is another planned route for a proposed road in the area the public good provisions of the Act cannot be applied….
The Environment Court has supported Patricia Grace in her fight against the New Zealand Transport Agency taking her ancestral land north of Wellington for a major new road.
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The court has ruled that moves to take her land should stop.
In its judgement, it says it would not be fair to compulsorily take the land, particularly when an alternate route or method is available for the expressway.
Patricia Grace inherited the Maori land. It belonged to her great-great grandfather Wi Parata, who was a Maori leader and donated large sections of land to Waikanae.
Aha Karol, more on this just on RadioNZ National, it appears that the road can go ahead with a minor tweak to the road alignment
The Court learned during the hearing that such a realignment is entirely possible as the other proposed route is already owned by the Crown, something which the Transport Agency withheld from both Patricia Grace and the Maori Land Court,(this would seem to fit my definition of contempt of the Court),
Wi Parata the ancestor from whom Patricia inherited this land was known to have gifted a number of tracts of land to the Crown including for schools and the Main-Trunk Rail-line, which in my view just goes to show that the Crown have not learned a fucking thing despite the billions of dollars of settlement monies so far paid out to Iwi up and down this country,
The attitude still appears to be if Maori wont give up what little is left of their land when the Crown wants it then the Crown will simply take it,
The particular block in question is awaiting the sign off into the status of being ‘Maori Reserve Land’ which will mean that it can never be sold nor alienated from the current and future owners in any way…
The Court learned during the hearing that such a realignment is entirely possible as the other proposed route is already owned by the Crown, something which the Transport Agency withheld from both Patricia Grace and the Maori Land Court,(this would seem to fit my definition of contempt of the Court),
That would fit my definition of corruption and needs to be investigated ASAP.
The rock-star economy appears to have taken another dive toward the bottom of the pool, the ‘tax take’ is now said to be down by 1billion dollars+ and the tired excuse that this has been caused by ‘slow’ business tax payers is starting to wear more than a little thin….
The technology platform that Estonia built to serve its citizens sets an example for the rest of the world. Each citizen has one ID number to use across all systems, from paper passport to bank records to any government office or medical care. This includes giving electronic signatures, filing taxes and voting. Estonians elect their parliament online, and get their taxes back in two days.
The electronic voting system withstood the test of reality and was declared a success by Estonian election officials.
Although the term electronic voting (or e-voting) can refer to both fixed voting locations (as in voting booths) and remote (as in over the Internet) electronic voting, in Estonia the term is used exclusively for remote Internet voting. The security model is modeled after the way in which advance voting and postal voting is handled.
So, it appears that internet voting is secure and works fine.
Oh, and that having government fully integrated is also a damn good idea.
So, it appears that internet voting is secure and works fine.
How does it account for:
1. Literal standover tactics, where someone forces someone else to vote for their chosen party.
2. Keeping voting preferences private, by easily being able to view who someone votes for.
3. Ensuring copy-cat phishing sites aren’t set up to syphon genuine votes away into a black hole.
I’m sure there are many many other problems for which the best solution is a physical polling place administered by electoral officials.
1.) You can vote multiple times before final close
2.) That sentence makes no sense. Suffice to say that it’s not easy to see anyone’s voting record
3.) People can check their own voting record
I’m sure there are many many other problems for which the best solution is a physical polling place administered by electoral officials.
I said voting in person at a physical polling place administered by electoral officials.
So you’d be fine with internet voting at polling places? But if we do that then we may as well allow those who want to vote wherever they are to do so.
Ok, please tell me how you are going to ensure that no one can blackmail / bribe others to vote a certain way.
No, the way we do it now is by having voting done in a polling place and monitored by electoral officials, and once your vote is cast, no one but you know who you voted for.
It’s pretty easy to say say “yes, I voted for that party you blackmailed me to vote for” while lying. The blackmailers have no way to verify that, so there’s nothing they can really to enforce their threat.
But with electronic polling done in the privacy of your own home, and being able to look at your past voting record at any time, it is now easy to blackmail someone else into voting for who you say to vote for.
No, the way we do it now is by having voting done in a polling place and monitored by electoral officials, and once your vote is cast, no one but you know who you voted for.
With the possibility that no one knows who you voted for.
But with electronic polling done in the privacy of your own home, and being able to look at your past voting record at any time, it is now easy to blackmail someone else into voting for who you say to vote for.
No it’s not because as soon as they’re gone you can change it.
And if they’re standing over you then they’re not standing over everyone else. Comes down to logistics – the blackmailers just won’t have enough people to force enough people to vote how they want to change the vote.
So, it appears that internet voting is secure and works fine.
Oh, and that having government fully integrated is also a damn good idea.
With all due respect. Frak off Draco you’re being idiotic.
Pay attention to what people like Snowden, Greenwald and Appelbaum have been saying about the completely compromised nature of the internet and all electronic communications before you let off more technology worshipping brainfarts.
+100 CV …..agreed ….dont think internet voting is the way to go…too many points at which votes could be ‘lost’ or sabotaged or muddled or found to be inadmissible mucked up votes
…besides many of the crucial voters would not know how to use the internet or have internet facilities, so it would add a complexity about getting people to vote at voting booths
…also be too hard to check back to the source of the vote on the counting and a recount
too many points at which votes could be ‘lost’ or sabotaged or muddled or found to be inadmissible mucked up votes
That can only happen on paper voting.
besides many of the crucial voters would not know how to use the internet or have internet facilities, so it would add a complexity about getting people to vote at voting booths
We can leave the old paper system in place until the old fogies die out.
also be too hard to check back to the source of the vote on the counting and a recount
Actually, it’ll be a hell of a lot easier as each individual would be able to check their vote – which they can’t do at the moment.
Indeed. This is not like dumping a couple of ballot boxes off the side of the road which contain a few hundred votes total, via computerised systems you can tamper with hundreds of thousands of votes at a time, even as they are being recorded or reported.
via computerised systems you can tamper with hundreds of thousands of votes at a time, even as they are being recorded or reported.
That’s actually really difficult with online systems. Think about it. You have to intercept the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers that could be in any random location and then you have to actually break the security on each computer as well as the receiving computer all within a short period of time and then you may be able to do something. Chances are that you’ll be detected.
And Security Tokens make even intercepting those computers communications ineffective.
The only defenses are “build a bigger pipe”. For anyone sufficiently motivated, they can muster a larger attack force (using botnets as well as traffic amplification attacks) than you can build defenses for.
well you have to convince middle aged fogies like me ….because voting systems credibility in a General Election is crucial
Of course I haven’t – you’re stuck in a belief and beliefs are incredibly difficult to change even when facts are readily available.
I could point out that everything you’ve said about online voting was also said about online banking and none of the bad things came to pass. Online security is better than you believe. Sure, it still has its weaknesses but they’re few, far between and can usually be detected fairly rapidly. IMO, online voting will actually be more secure than paper voting.
I could point out that everything you’ve said about online voting was also said about online banking and none of the bad things came to pass.
Yeah I guess none of those tens of millions of credit card numbers, customer details and passwords being compromised and stolen from online retailers etc. counts.
Get a grip Draco, you’re techno-worship is blinding you to the reality of what is actually happening out there.
Yeah I guess none of those tens of millions of credit card numbers, customer details and passwords being compromised and stolen from online retailers etc. counts.
Did you notice where they were stolen from? The online retailers – not the banks.
And, yes, they do count – so does the response. More security and the accounts being fixed within days. Same thing happens to an election you just annul the votes and have another election a week later.
Get a grip Draco, you’re techno-worship is blinding you to the reality of what is actually happening out there.
I’m quite aware of what’s happening out there. The difference between you and me is that I’m not afraid of it and that I think we can improve our democracy by taking it online.
Are there any countries where online voting is done successfully for General Elections?…and with 100% public confidence?
….my guess is many people would not vote because it would be more hassle for them( eg finding a computer and then finding out how to work it and find their electronic voting form and figuring out how to vote ) than just going to a polling booth
…i know plenty of people who do not use internet banking because of the perceived risks …and this includes an accountant who does small business’s books
my guess is many people would not vote because it would be more hassle for them( eg finding a computer and then finding out how to work it and find their electronic voting form and figuring out how to vote ) than just going to a polling booth
Well, it won’t that hard. About 97% of NZ households are on the net and the polling booths would still be available on the day for awhile at least.
i know plenty of people who do not use internet banking because of the perceived risks …and this includes an accountant who does small business’s books
There are risks but they’re fairly minimal and can be well handled.
yes well ONE country ..namely Estonia…. is not exactly a great advert for this new internet electoral system
….still think it is a techy’s dream
…dont believe 97% of NZ households are on the internet
….still think many people will not vote…both because it is too difficult for them and because they will think it is sus…so you will be marginalising and alienating a lot of people…many of them Labour supporters
yeah Dracy get a grip…i dont trust Techys to control a General Election …no way!( i live with one)…they are tricky dickys and to follow their electronic trails is like trying to find a ghost in the mists
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The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra In the free-for-all between the Australian government and Big Tech boss Elon Musk this week, the government had to be on a winner. Most people would have little sympathy with Musk’s vociferous opposition to ...
Asia Pacific Report Chief Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa and Nelson Mandela’s grandson, has joined the Freedom Flotilla in istanbul as the ships prepare to sail for Gaza, reports Kia Ora Gaza. Mandela is also the ambassador for the Global Campaign to Return to ...
Pacific Media Watch Journalists who report on environmental issues are encountering growing difficulties in many parts of the world, reports Reporters Without Borders. According to the tally kept by RSF, 200 journalists have been subjected to threats and physical violence, including murder, in the past 10 years because they were ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards, Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has surprised everyone with his ruthlessness in sacking two of his ministers from their crucial portfolios. Removing ministers for poor performance after only five months in the job just doesn’t normally happen in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
ACT's Rural Communities and Veterans spokesman Mark Cameron responds to cancellations and protests of ANZAC Day commemorations in Wellington. He says, "These pitiful attempts to detract from ANZAC Day are not at all indicative of the feelings of mainstream ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Pōneke based peace activists staged a silent protest at the ANZAC day service to highlight New Zealand’s complicity in war and genocide, and urge the government to take concrete steps to stop the genocide in Palestine. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Magdalena M.E. Bunbury, Postdoctoral Researcher, James Cook University Burial with a horse at the Rákóczifalva site, Hungary (8th century AD).Sándor Hegedűs, Hungarian National Museum, CC BY How do we understand past societies? For centuries, our main sources of information have been ...
Amanda Thompson doesn’t really do Anzac Day. But what she does do is remember the people she knew who had a lifetime to remember stuff they didn’t really want to, because of a war they didn’t ask for. And she does make Anzac biscuits.First published in 2021.All my ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathryn Willis, Postdoctoral Researcher, CSIRO Xavier Boulenger/Shutterstock In the two decades to 2019, global plastic production doubled. By 2040, plastic manufacturing and processing could consume as much as 20% of global oil production and use up 15% of the annual carbon ...
With our collective remembrance, and steadfast belief in our common humanity, we strengthen our hope and resolve to do what we can to foster dialogue and understanding, and to heal divisions in our pursuit of peace. ...
Principal reasons for the opposition is the loss of the public’s democratic right to have “a fair say” and the vital need for a government free from corruption, said Casey Cravens of Dunedin, president of the New Zealand Federation of Freshwater ...
Never mind the scoreboard – in the 2000 Bledisloe Cup decider, the real trans-Tasman battle was won before kickoff.First published in 2016. The dawn of the new millennium was a dark time for the All Blacks. Their final game pre-Y2K was a 22-18 loss to South Africa in the ...
I’m on the wrong side of 40, I never pursued creative work and now my job is killing my soul. Help! Want Hera’s help? Email your problem to helpme@thespinoff.co.nzDear Hera,May I start with the least original conversation opener you’re likely to hear around the motu at the moment, particularly in Wellington: ...
“Never again - No AUKUS” was the message of the wreath laid at this morning’s national ANZAC Day commemorative service at Pukeahu National War Memorial Park this morning by the Stop AUKUS group. ...
Until this month, Auckland swimmer Hazel Ouwehand had never met a qualifying time in an Olympic event for a New Zealand team, even as a junior. Now she’s very likely off to the Paris Olympics after swimming well under the qualifying standard in the 100m butterfly twice – both in ...
While Anzac Day has experienced a resurgence in recent years, our other day of remembrance has slowly faded from view.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand. Original illustrations by Hope McConnell.First published in 2022.The high school’s head girl and ...
Australian and New Zealand volunteers fought together in the Waikato War, yet still its place in the Anzac tradition is unacknowledged by our defence forces or Returned Services Association.First published in 2018.When I was a boy cub I attended Anzac Day services in the South Auckland suburb of ...
A poem by Wellington writer Tayi Tibble.Hoki Mai She kisses him goodbye with her eyes still wet and alight from their last swim in the Awatere river. At the train station celebration, she leads the Kapa Haka but her voice keeps breaking under and over itself like waves. ...
A poem from Bill Manhire’s 2017 book of verse Some Things to Place in a Coffin.My World War I Poem Inside each trench, the sound of prayer. Inside each prayer, the sound of digging. Image courtesy of Auckland War Memorial Museum. ...
There are three books I have wolfed down in one sitting over the last two years. Colleen Maria Lenihan’s gorgeous and sad debut Kōhine, Noelle McCarthy’s memoir Grand about becoming her mother and then unbecoming her, and now Hine Toa, a staunch yet gentle self-portrait by living legend Ngāhuia te ...
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Asia Pacific Report Students and activist staff at Australia’s University of Sydney (USyd) have set up a Gaza solidarity encampment in support of Palestinians and similar student-led protests in the United States. The camp was pitched as mass graves, crippled hospitals, thousands of civilian deaths and the near-total destruction of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By James B. Dorey, Lecturer in Biological Sciences, University of Wollongong Australian teddy bear bees are cute and fluffy, but get a look at that massive (unbarbed) stinger! James Dorey Photography Most of us have been stung by a bee and we ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jen Roberts, Senior Lecturer, School of Humanities and Social Inquiry, University of Wollongong Aussie~mobs/FlickrVictor Farr, a private in the 1st Infantry Battalion, was among the first to land at Anzac Cove just before dawn on April 25 1915. Victor Farr ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
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RNZ News Melissa Lee has been ousted from New Zealand’s coalition cabinet and stripped of the Media portfolio, and Penny Simmonds has lost the Disability Issues portfolio in a reshuffle. Climate Change and Revenue Minister Simon Watts will take Lee’s spot in cabinet. Simmonds was a minister outside of cabinet. ...
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Analysis - Christopher Luxon framing the demotion of two ministers as the portfolios getting "too complex" is a charitable way of saying they weren't up to the job. ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kelly Saunders, PhD Candidate, University of Canberra There has been much analysis and praise of Justice Michael Lee’s recent judgement in Bruce Lehrmann’s defamation case against Channel Ten. Many people were openly relieved to read Lee’s “forensic” and “nuanced” application of law ...
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The Fairer Future coalition of anti-poverty groups say Whaikaha must be properly funded going forward, and that to argue that poor financial management of the new Ministry is a red herring by the Prime Minister. ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is today congratulating Hon. Paul Goldsmith on his appointment as Minister for Media and Communications and urges him to rule out state intervention in the private media sector. ...
Asia Pacific Report The West Papuan resistance OPM leader has condemned Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and US President Joe Biden, accusing their countries of “six decades of treachery” over Papuan independence. The open letter was released today by OPM chairman Jeffrey P Bomanak on the eve of ANZAC Day ...
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“Three Strikes is a dead-end policy proposed by a dead-end government. The Three Strikes law ignores the causes of crime, instead just brutalising people already crushed by the cost of living.” ...
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A new survey says ‘outlook not great’ for those charged with building infrastructure, while RMA changes delight farmers and depress environmentalists, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. First RMA changes announced ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Olli Hellmann, Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Waikato Getty Images When New Zealanders commemorate Anzac Day on April 25, it’s not only to honour the soldiers who lost their lives in World War I and subsequent conflicts, but also ...
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Thank you NOT Muldoon, Hanna Barbera, Dancing Cossacks, whoever passed for the National Party’s Crosby Textor of the day, and Rob’s Mob – of which band of mouthy Young Nats our current PM was a member in spirit if not formally. Not to overlook the thickos who so readily fell for the “Reds Under the Bed” hysteria whipped up by the McCarthyist power drunk (and drunk) Muldoon.
Your infinite superiority in all things is SO vindicated.
That’s National – always making things worse off in their eternal effort to cut taxes and shift ever more wealth to the rich.
Of course, we do have to consider that saving money is, effectively, saving nothing and that capitalism doesn’t actually work.
Oh, FFS. That’s because japan became a major exporting nation and when other nations started to catch up with them their exports inevitably decreased. NZ will go the same way.
There are a several theories on the lost decade(s)
Low productivity growth, mostly for demographic reasons
Liquidity trap following asset price bubble (NKY topped out near 40,000 it is now 14,800. The Imperial once had a land value equal to California (or so the anecdote goes) etc etc
It didn’t actually have a lost decade. Standard of living never really fell during the 80’s and 90’s even though asset prices did significantly. Read some of the articles by Eamonn Fingleton.
Personally I think it is liquidity trap, low interest rates, associated devaluation and a compounding effect from really awful demographics. As to exports it is still the 4th largest exporter in the world, plus a huge amount of production has been moved offshore, mainly to China, and the bulk of the revenue from that still heads home.
Maybe Ol’ TricKey should throw his $50 mil in as a downpayment for the money lost to the crap ideal’s of his party.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9915755/Tau-Henare-tweets-hes-retiring
Another rat jumping ship… if they were really that confident of winning the next election, why would so many of them be abandoning the S.S. National? I can’t imagine a Nat minister getting over sick of troughing it
Easy if the price is right zorr, just dangle a carrott and off they trot.
Many other troughs for them aside from parliament, just look where blue, knapp, georgina etc are now a bit of cash into the bargain and bye bye potential liability.
You reckon it is because they feel that their mission has come to the end and NZ is now in a state ripe for plunder? Thanks to their own legislative changes of course…
And don’t forget the generous Super on top of all those other troughs.
where is he on the list. Didn’t they hint of dropping him down?
perhaps he will be the new ceo of a fishing company.
i wonder how many will disagree with the righties squealing “deadwood”, though?
The nats sent jamie lee ross onto native affairs last night where he was made to look the vacuous slogan touting dropkick he is.
Flavell puts on a good show for his part in this toxic govt and jones is patchy but can we see more of JLR please, he makes bridges look like a genius.
Yes i was pleased again to see the wide cross section of New Zealand politics represented again on Maori TV’s Native Affairs and like you enjoyed the contempt shown to Ross every time He attempted to waffle in political speak,
The contrast was stark,starting at Winston,who despite the image has His mind totally ‘around’ Maori issues, quite happily pointing out to Ross that He was in nappies when Winston was first Minister of Maori Affairs, even Shane Jones,presumably understanding ‘the audience’ made His points clearly without the usual attempts to show His education with the insertion of any number of 12 letter words,
Cut across to the left of that ‘panel’ of politicians and Metiria and Hone looked relaxed,chatty,and open to having a bit of fun, the stark contrast in behavior and speech from those two,who also had a full grip on the issues,being able to succinctly address them to the camera with the minimum amount of waffling bullshit, made Nationals Jamie Lee Ross look every bit the anal retentive He gives every indication of being…
Yes I watched it this morning, and it was like tagteam polatics but 4 on 2 and poor old Jamie. (I must admit to laughing at his treatment) just copped it from all sides. And Winston was in fine form in slapping down the young upstart. No wonder none of the Nat Maori MP’s wanted a bar of that show.
Flavell’s waffle was only a smidgeon less irritating that Ross’s I found – he took a long time to say very little. Those two were in marked contrast to the rest of the panel
I often wonder whether J-L R is one of the trolls that often pop up here from time to time on TS. If you ever catch him spouting his dogma on that dreadful TV1 Breakfast programme, you could place bets on which of the trolls it is.
Lieutenant General The Right Honourable Sir Jerry Mateparae was taken into protective custody by police last night. Constitutional lawyers, academics, voters and MP’s were fuming with rage towards the GG.
MPs had received letters from the un-elected functionary instructing them on how the stand, bow, sit, talk and walk in a deferential manner when meeting celebrities.
Most voters were of the view that they were smart enough to elect MPs who knew how to get out of bed in the morning and perform all/most of the necessary functions required for social engagement. Jerry will be released when two spongers names Windsor leave to do nothing somewhere else.
Response from my complaint to the NZ Herald. I was unaware a column could deplore someone’s behaviour. A defensive response. Note the Herald admits they are critical of others, but at least don’t try and pretend they criticize JK.
Thank you for your email complaining about two columns which have appeared in the Herald newspaper and online at nzherald.co.nz
In essence, you complain that the columns, in their different ways, are deliberately slanted against David Cunliffe to smear him.
It’s important to remember the background of these two pieces.
Both are columns by two of our most senior political and economic journalists. They are giving their opinion of the performance of Mr Cunliffe as columnists are expected and encouraged to do. Both columns are clearly marked as comment. You would expect these columnists to take a position. In this case they do, around Mr Cunliffe’s concealing of a trust for donations to his leadership campaign.
Both these cases refer to news stories of that week in which Mr Cunliffe had to reveal the trust.
An example of the news stories on the topic is here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11216735
So:
· Mr Cunliffe had been in the news about omitting to reveal his secret trust for donations.
· Two columnists, rightly, gave their opinion on his behaviour and performance
· This was hardly systemic bias against Mr Cunliffe as columnists rightly calling him to account
As to your specific points:
· You point out the picture used on Claire Trevett’s column as being unflattering. While it possibly could be considered that – when I saw it I thought it showed Mr Cunliffe in full flight of oratory – the article does specifically point out that some weeks a politician can’t catch a break, like the woman who wouldn’t vote for him because his face is “crumpled”. The picture reflects the structure of the column.
· You also question the use of the word “laundered” in Ms O’Sullivan’s column. While it is strong language, it is surely justified. Mr Cunliffe admitted he had used a secret trust to hide – or “launder” – campaign funds.
· You claim that both columns are biased against Mr Cunliffe. They are certainly critical of his actions. They deplore his behaviour. But they are far from “biased”. In fact, Ms O’Sullivan even goes out of her way to mention what she and other business people see as his good points – “He’s a known quantity. He’s personable.”
These are both strong, critical columns as you’d expect from senior journalists confronted with a lapse by a leading politician. But they do not show systemic bias against Mr Cunliffe.
The Herald strives to be fair to politicians of all stripes; to praise and criticize across the spectrum where it is necessary. Ms O’Sullivan in weeks around the Cunliffe column, for example, had praised the appointment of Matt McCarten as Mr Cunliffe’s political advisor and, equally, criticized Kim Dotcom’s political behaviour. Ms Trevett had been critical of Judith Collins over the Oravida affair.
A single column can be highly critical and use strong language. But over the long term, Herald readers will get a nuanced picture of the strengths and weaknesses of candidates through ongoing, in-depth analysis.
I hope this answers your questions.
It’s not, in my opinion, so much that they have a go at David Cunliffe when he does poos on the carpet, as that they consistently fail to do so when John Key and his ministers commit the same sin
Yes. It’s often the context that is the issue, and the (lack of) “balance” over time.
Agree, certainly don’t want Cunliffe /Labour to get a free ride (the way Key does). My complaints were very specific, but if you read the Heralds response, they have gone into complete over drive.
Of not that don’t mention Key as one of the people they have been critical of, so I guess in a funny sort of way, you have to give them some credit for that.
I have not accepted their response and I have asked the Press Council to proceed with this.
theyve left you an opening – probably without realising it
“A single column can be highly critical and use strong language. But over the long term, Herald readers will get a nuanced picture of the strengths and weaknesses of candidates through ongoing, in-depth analysis.”
Looks like they’re getting the interns to respond to complaints. What a remarkably poor effort.
My Oxford dictionary gives the definition of ‘launder’ (when applied to money) as ‘to transfer illegally obtained money to conceal its origins’. Wikipedia defines it as ‘the process whereby the proceeds of crime are transformed into ostensibly legitimate money or other assets’.
There is no justification for O’Sullivan using that word.
I hear just now that toe has given himself the boot. about time.
also Radio New Zealand news just reported on the value of the Norm Kirk pension scheme but neglected to say it was the National party that canned it. what a pack of jerks. i.e. both the tories and RNZ.
welcome to the monkey house.
Yes I caught that one too.
Just when I have been tentatively quite impressed with the new Morning Report putting hard questions to the right people…
So far has seemed to be addressing important questions & not taking the attempted bullshit answers from Ministers etc.
I must say at least from a voice perspective Espiner was a very nice choice, his soft tones are similarly pleasant to wake up to as his predecessor.
I disagree. Espiner’s husky, soft tones don’t make much of an impact from a male announcer. And I don’t like the trend of his questioning method. It appears that his idea of asking the hard questions is to frame the important matter in his own mind on one or two points that he puts sharply demanding a yes/no answer whether relevant to the initial subject or not.
It seems that he is copying Mary Wilson in this insistence on an answer to whatever he has framed as his matter-of-interest. Mary has her own unique approach, and does this at times as referred to here earlier this year, (I quote below.) I fear that Espiner is going to follow this behaviour regularly. spear-tackling his interviewees in order to prove to himself he is a no-nonsense journalist.
http://thestandard.org.nz/dear-radionz-the-largest-party-does-not-win-the-election/#comment-768240
Jane Clifton from NZ Listener of 12/Nov/2005 says about Wilson that she can be “grotesquely querulous”. No doubt this thought popped in to her head after hearing Mary Wilson pursuing some point she wanted elucidated, unimportant in itself, but a determined effort to pin down the flighty facts of her interviewee.
I think that Espiner and Susie Fergusson should go after the story that follows the news item and is of present interest. This morning Espiner wanted to discuss points about possible election partner with Hone when I think the issue was institutional racism. I’ve forgotten now what the topic was. That type of interview just confuses the listener, and is not what we want from a competent interviewer who is committed to getting the facts on the matter under discussion. Instead he was using his interview as a honey trap to get the interviewee so he could put his question in a way that would reveal hints on what was Espiner’s current personal obssession.
I thought that particular super scheme was the brainchild of Rowling and not Kirk? But it matters little as Muldoon and the Cossacks won the day.
And to say that it would be worth $$$$ now really is just journalists showing they can use the multiplication button on Excel.
The super scheme would have altered downwards the take home pay of the workers of that generation, and the generations since. So something else would have changed for any Government to balance their books. even lower wages? no student loans? a poorer WFF? lower benefits? higher taxes? lower treaty settlements?
Its lazy journalism to suggest that the super scheme would live in isolation of every other piece of Government policy.
The credit for that little scheme goes, roughly equally to Rowling and to Roger Douglas. Most of the work put into the white paper was contributed by young Roger. Rowling was the PM at the time and was the one who would have caught the flak so he deserves a lot of the credit for it going ahead.
Kirk was not, I was informed at the time, at all in favour.
For He whom the bell tolls, ”If evidence befor Him emerged as described by the Crown”,(then it could be),”Reasonably concluded that Mr Banks knew that the returns were false”
So said Justice Edwin Wylie yesterday at the Auckland High Court effectively slipping the noose over John Banks head,
Banks appears to have just run out of ‘wriggle room’ with His latest and third attempt to avoid facing trial for filing false electoral returns and the acidic comments from Justice Wylie in again committing Banks to face trial in May would tend to suggest, considering the evidence the Crown has, that Banks is pushing a very large pile of excrement up a very steep slippery hill in His attempts to avoid conviction and expulsion from the Parliament,
i deduce from Justice Wylie’s comments that the Court will not accept the Banks version of events ”that He didn’t read the electoral return” as any exoneration of the charge, it seems the actions of Banks leading up to the signing of this document will in fact be the ‘crux’ of the balance of guilt or innocence…
“Justice Wylie said if the Crown evidence emerged as forecast at trial, there was enough to find Mr Banks wanted the donations to be anonymous, and knew they would be listed that way because he had kept Mr Hutchison “in the dark”.”
‘Mr Key admitted he felt sorry for Banks. “I do a little bit in reality,” he said. “This is a form he filled out in 2010. I believe him to be a thoroughly honest guy.”‘
The thing I can’t understand is that if Banks is right, signatures on legal documents are apparently worthless.
I thought the whole point of having the MP sign the declaration is that he is putting his name & position on the line, certifying that his campaign followed the rules & accepting the price if found to have been incorrect.
I suspect though that we have worrying at least recent precedent in the form of various Finance co directors getting off for prospectuses etc that they signed.
This from NZ Herald seems to be very key evidence regarding the Dotcom donation
its a criminal charge and proving banks knew he was signing a false document is crucial.
it see.s banks and graham and brash could all take directors fees from finance companies and actually know nothing… which is what passes cor honest these days
You forget that Banks was not an MP at the time. He was just someone who had been the losing candidate in an election and held no public office at all.
I suspect he didn’t have the slightest interest in the subject and simply wanted to get the paperwork out of the way and to forget about the whole affair. I suspect most losing candidates are exactly the same.
Somebody else has prepared the return and he simply asked, is it alright and signed it.
After all, given that you don’t think you have any electoral future and given you are not in power you can’t do anyone any favours why do you worry.
but then key thinks the pm is an honest guy.
🙂
not exactly. the crown still have to prove he knew the return was false. signing it isnt enough. knowledge is crucial. knowingly not reading it is arguable but tenuous.
there will be a trial.
has banks made grannys front page over this, this week?
That’s the banks defense, but the courts might well rule that a willful lack of knowledge is as good as knowing.
They don’t like people playing silly buggers with finances, the electoral system or official documents. Banksie snaps all three with his “flicked through but didn’t read” defense.
Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat
Ignorance of the law does not excuse or ignorance of the law excuses no one
That would be him saying that he didn’t know he wasn’t allowed to lie on a form.
He’s arguing that he couldn’t have know that what he signed was false because he did not know what he was signing. Slightly different.
Similarly, if I shot someone who was pointing an unloaded/harmless gun at me, I would only legally be guilty of murder if I knew at the time that the gun was harmless. If I didn’t know the gun was harmless, it would be reasonable self defense.
Fortunately the courts have seen through his ‘ignorance’ so far, so I’m hoping that will continue and he gets thrown in to jail in disgrace.
If only the voters of Epsom had been less ocularly impaired.
Sorry I was speeding officer, but in my defense I didn’t read the pages about speed limits in the road code.
Sorry I was speeding officer, but in my defense I only glanced at the speedo & I can’t remember what the dial said.
and I asked my mechanic to break the speedo so I couldn’t tell if I was over the limit
Bank is now saying
I don’t know what I have to hide.
Not I have nothing to hide.
That all might change in May to Banks musing ”where can i hide”…
In the last of its ‘leaders interviews’ in the series RadioNZ National’s Nine to Noon will interview Peter ‘the hairdo’ Dunne around 9.30 this morning,
This might be described as ‘must miss radio’ containing all the enlightenment of dripping mud…
Breaking news:
“Seven major Hollywood movie studios have filed a massive copyright infringement lawsuit against Megaupload and its founder Kim Dotcom.”
Wonder why now? Rescue Mr Key?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11234233
It will be an interesting case. I don’t know what US law is like, but in New Zealand it would actually be a useful case. The law around authorisation is awfully blurry (does the Amstrad case apply or not?). In a nutshell, though, you’re in trouble if you “sanction, approve and countenance” a breach of copyright or in other words the person “means to grant or purport to grant” the infringing copyright act.
So Dotcom will obviously plead ignorant and say that MegaUpload didn’t sanction or approve copyright breaches. Which is playing hard and fast with the truth, but very hard to disprove.
So, if US law is anything like New Zealand’s, I think Hollywood has the moral high ground (ugh) and Dotcom has the legal standing (ugh).
There’s no winner in that battle of the dreadful.
Still, it highlights the fact that copyright law needs to be updated and certain industries need to update with the time. I’d just rather see Labour and the Greens incorporate that with some sensible, techno-savy candidates rather than hiring the poacher to become the gamekeeper. And from what I’ve heard of Dotcom’s stance on copyright, it’s still more poacher than gamekeeper.
Thanks for the information Disraeli. As a non-legal person I can’t get past the idea that what use of the money that I bank and withdraw is of no interest or responsibility of banking officials. Or the items I store in a lockup then on-sell them.
Or that electronic materials stored in a cloud, (unless identified by someone as being illegal) can hold the cloud operators responsible.
It’s something copyright law grappled with. I think the very original authorisation case was about whether a tape recorder was an authorisation. This is obviously too far. Sure, a tape recorder may have led to illegal taping of music, but you can’t hold the tape recorder manufacturer liable for that.
And I feel in principle the same should apply to “the cloud”. But (and this is not just MegaUpload but all cloud operators), the extent of the copying being spread through sites like those suggest something needs to be done (a willful blindness clause if you like).
For instance, if you had a bank which was home to all of the world’s money laundering or a single lock-up that was used by all the criminals in one town to hide their goods. Would we say, “well, look, they can’t be held responsible”? Or would we very quickly consider a law change to say “look, you play dumb, if you’re being willfully ignorant then you’re liable”?
But this is just one aspect of copyright law. The film and television industry needs to make it easier to get the content legally (like the music industry has been doing). There’s no reason to have months gap before international broadcasts that make people turn to illegal means, for example. They’re making the problem more relevant.
Obviously, most of this is spent on talk of movies or music, but copyright reform is wider than that. Ebooks now means literature can be pirated (and has been, though not Slater posting The Luminaries and then downloading it to show that Mega is bad). Photographers and artists regularly have their works copied across the internet without consent. Cloud services are sometimes used to aid in these endeavours.
I’m going to sound horrendously snobbish here, I feel like society (especially New Zealand society) doesn’t place a whole lot of value on “the artist”. Authors, musicians, photographers, painters aren’t celebrated much (look at America Cup coverage vs Eleanor Catton winning the Booker!). And yet, we’re celebrating Dotcom’s rise against the establishment when he’s in the business of lowering these creative people’s already quite pitiful income (with notable exceptions).
since 2001 it has become banks and ia business how much you deposit and withdraw.
the Hollywood lawsuit shows how unlikely it was that key never discussed dotcom on his Hollywood trysts paid by us.
How many times has John Key been to Hollywood? (genuine question)
The only time I can think of was late 2012 (October/November). The Dotcom raid was in January of 2012. So that doesn’t contradict Key’s “I’ve never heard of Dotcom before”.
Quite frankly, my opinion on that question is this:
John Key knew of Dotcom. Probably not in any detail but I find it hard to imagine he wasn’t aware of a multi-millionaire German with a colourful past in his back yard. But, I don’t think Kim Dotcom has any evidence that Key does know of him, which is going to be the smoking gun.
john key said he wouldnt be discussing dotcom when he went to Hollywood. you are confusing his lies. the one I am talking about is seperate to the one you are referring to.
Did he really say that?
I imagine he must have walked around Hollywood with his hands over his ears screaming “lalalalalalala I’m not listening” then!
Or he just lied as that is his usual way of operating
Now that is the 64 million dollar question. How many times has he been to the USA? and how many to California. and let us not forget that TricKey lives in Hawaii, and he’s Obama’s Golf Buddy. Well Obama’s arse kisser more like.
MegaUpload gave the studios direct access to remove their material according to his white paper that he released sometime back.
The studios obviously don’t feel that what enough (if it did happen). Obviously it wasn’t since you could still find a cornucopia of pirated material on MegaUpload the day before it went down.
But it indicates that MegaUpload actually did their best to prevent such copyright material being there and thus is a defense against the charges.
I sort of agree. That’s why I said that MegaUpload has the legal standing in this case, I suspect.
But I think the issue is that MegaUpload was reactive (they’d wait till the studios found the link and came to them). Whereas, say, YouTube are proactive (they will sometimes flag a video and get rid of it if it is obviously in breach of copyright).
But I agree that really, with the current law (if US is similar to New Zealand), yeah, MegaUpload has a defence.
No, they gave the studios direct access and ability to remove offending content.
“No, they gave the studios direct access and ability to remove offending content.”
But then also made new copies of that material available elsewhere on megaupload with a different identifier…….
No they didn’t. Their users did.
point remains – every other cloud manager removes or restricts the file. Mega only deletes a link. No rational business purpose for doing it that way except to facilitate privacy.
Have to be able to tell if it’s the same file which does seem to be a problem. And I suspect that it’s even more difficult with movies that use different encoding, different file names, etc.
no you’re missing the point.
The takedown notice doesn’t apply to a movie, it applies to a particular file. Dropbox for instance when they get a notice for a particular file, they scan their system and restrict that file and any exact copies of that file. Dotcom on the other hand just deleted a link, leaving the offending file and duplicates of it on their system without restriction.
result is on mega you vcan fund hundreds of links to the same movie file held in numerous different directories. DCMA notice arrives, just one link is removed still leaving numerous links and copies of the file easily accessible..
on dropbox, every copy of that movie file is restricted.
very different models. The best analogy for the role of dotcom is a pimp, a money launderer, or an arms dealer….. not actually doing the end crime but living on the proceeds of that crime.
the amazon story is a different issue. and actually shows the takedown system works, so not sure what point you are trying to make.
Great. That particular file can be taken, modified ever so slightly, and no longer meet the hash. It even says that on the article about DropBox you linked to.
You have no proof of that.
Chances are that there’s actually hundreds of different files. Even DropBox won’t be able to work out if each is the same without actually opening them and they’re not doing that.
In some respects but the same in other ways – a different file has a different hash tag and if all these online services are only using hash algorithms to see if the file is the same as another then they won’t pick up anything. Amazon should have it easier as they just need to do a text search and compare but that, I suspect, would still take a hell of a lot more processing power than a hash check.
“You have no proof of that.”
Well actually there is. If you read the FBI indictment it references emails between mega employees stating exactly that, and even more tellingly that they are doing it to circumvent the takedown notices.
“Chances are that there’s actually hundreds of different files. Even DropBox won’t be able to work out if each is the same without actually opening them and they’re not doing that.”
Do you understand how digital technology works? A file run thru the same hash algorithm will have the same hash each time. You don’t “open the file” to compare. You compare the hashes. If they are the same the files are the same. If they are not they are different. What Mega did (and this is also claimed in the indictment) was create different hashes for the same file. Reputable cloud storage facilities would only ever have one hash for a particular file and its identical copies.
But you do point out one flaw in the process – even of the files differ but just 1 byte then they are not the same file. The takedown applies to specific files and their exact copies not to the content.
That’s an allegation, not proof. And from what I’ve seen out of the US over those allegations they should be taken with a grain of salt. It is, after all, quite easy to spoof an email as coming from a particular address.
Yes I do, you’re the one who seems to have difficulty with it.
No fucking kidding but two different files will have different hashes. What you don’t seem to grasp is that it’s possible to have two different files with different hashes that have the same video in it.
oh boohoo, record companies & movie moguls have been ripping off creative ppl for years. i also dont understand why youtube gets a free ride, check out the amount of copywrited material on there, its always my first port of call before i try find a torrent, more often than not the tv show/movie is on there for free download. so why dont they get sued?
Viacom International Inc v YouTube, Inc.
They did get sued. The case was settled before the various appeals were heard, but it went in front of a Court three separate times.
You would have found that out with a quick Google search.
& youtube got shut down? i must have missed that.
This story explains how a legitimate cloud service manages copyright infringement:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/30/how-dropbox-knows-when-youre-sharing-copyrighted-stuff-without-actually-looking-at-your-stuff/
If you read the US indictment, they allege that the difference with Mega was that when Mega received a DCMA takedown notice they didn’t do what dropbox, google etc do but they actively created new hashes to facilitate continued downloading.
As an experiment try this. Pick a popular movie and see how long it takes for you to find a downloadable copy on mega.co.nz
Last night it took me less than fiveminutes to find and start downloading a copy of the hobbit. There are tons of searchable lists (for instance http://mega-search.me/) of copyrighted material on mega that you can easily find and download. So even with the new improved mega model it is still trivial to find and download copyrighted material. Do the same experiment with any of dropbox, sugarsync, google drive, icloud, mozy, zipcloud, cashpolan etc and I think you’d struggle to find the same degree of facilitation of sharing of copyrighted material. The only real difference in business models is the lack of uploading incentive payments. Megaupload was, and mega is clearly designed to facilitate the anonymous sharing of copyrighted material. Dotcom is a pimp – attempting to take a cut from criminal activities of others.
They mean the same thing that happened to Sintel (now fixed but it shouldn’t have happened in the first place).
Reminder for tonight’s ERA changes meeting should you be in Wellington:
PUBLIC MEETING, TUESDAY, 8TH APRIL, 7 – 8.30PM: “GIVE US A BREAK!”
This is a public meeting to discuss The Employment Relations Amendment Act and how the proposed changes will affect union members and workers. There will be three guest speakers followed by an open discussion on the changes and what action may be taken to prevent this anti worker bill being passed.
As as so often been the case in recent years, Peter Dunne holds the critical vote.
The meeting is being hosted by People’s Power Ohariu and is being held at the Uniting Church, 18 Dr Taylor Terrace, Johnsonville, Wellington. All welcome!
Seen this?
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/dotcom-offended-banks-asked-him-be-anonymous-wrote-cheques-team-banksie-sf-154412
It seems that dodgy John is going ….. going……
Good work Graham McCready – this was NEVER supposed to happen.
‘One law for all’ – actually applying to (former) ACT Party Leader John Banks?
Whatever next?
Penny Bright
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
new cartoon..
http://whoar.co.nz/2014/original-whoar-cartoon-russel-norman-passes-the-dutchie-on-the-right-hand-side/
heard bennett on radio ythis am discussi ng funding for sexual violence. I reckon she will sit joyce and collins and be next nats leader
The cannabis and psychoactive substances debate continues.
Public Address: The perilous birth of the Psychoactive Substances Act
Whale Oil: Where is Colorado’s predicted crime wave from legalisation?
But there seems to be no political will to address it apart from the ALCP. The Greens seen lukewarm at best, it doesn’t fit with their marketing strategy. Cunliffe says Labour won’t decriminalise. No sign of anything from National on it. Winston and the rest aren’t likely to do anything.
So we have momentum around the world, we have growing acknowledgement that things aren’t working here as they are but no sign of any change.
Would this be a good issue to be driven non-partisan by the blogosphere? Is anyone here interested in taking part in a joint effort to make this an election issue?
Distraction politics 101 from the master fence sitter himself, if it concerns you so much lead the charge yourself from your own site as you obviously have the time on your hands.
Start by proving that ‘So we have momentum around the world..’ with some facts and figures proving it’s a global trend.
You focus on that whilst the main parties focus on removing this toxic gov’t your mate props up.
its better than answering the questions put to him on the poverty thread.
Wee Petey the Lesser has again demonstrated His remarkable ability to be transparent, everyone has seen through Him in 30 seconds flat…
In Pete’s defence tc (did i just write that ?)
He has three posts up on his blog on the subject
http://yournz.org/
I have no idea what they say though as I have installed the latest in Anti-troll technology. The add-on works a treat. Every time I go near his blog a rabid Gorilla jumps out of my machine and flicks my earlobe with a wet tea towel every three seconds until I leave the page.
In the seconds between attacks I have deciphered that his posts of late do resemble WOBH an awful lot, mainly quotes from others interspersed with short strings of wordshapes.
I think Freedom that you may need to tweak the Anti Troll bit, Try getting the Gorilla to leave out the tea towel, and just hit you behind the ear. I mean you even added a link, so the Tea towel is just not working…..
You know, that’s got to be one of the least informative articles I’ve ever read on Public Address.
Only recently discovered this site – think some of you may enjoy the content 🙂
http://laudafinem.com/2014/04/08/kiwi-mp-john-banks-strike-three-four-seven-and-the-corrupt-bastards-still-out/
Penny Bright
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
Did The Cunliffe write his own questions today and if so why was he such a wet squib yet again.
from the David Cunliffe FaceBook page
“Other countries don’t allow offshore property speculation, and neither should we. Labour will restrict sales of property (including farmland) to offshore speculators, so families that live here can get into a home of their own.”
https://www.facebook.com/david.cunliffe.labour
obviously more to come
did a quick scan but saw nothing up on the Labour website yet,
Yep, that Lab/Green/NZF government is looking more and more likely each day. Good times a-coming, people.
Moro on cycling yesterday.
Cars that speed out of driveways aren’t just a problem for cyclists on the pavement, but also posties on cycles on the pavement, children on cycles on the pavement, joggers on the pavement, motorized wheelchairs.
This notion perpetrated by Moro that cyclists are more like motorbikes, than joggers, or children on bikes, r posties or old people in their motorized chairs… …is wrong. Cars that gun out of driveways are a problem for all uses of footpaths.
Second jaywalking is prevalent in NZ, when there are no cars around, and anyone getting off their bike, lifting it up and running across the road (when no traffic is around), is not jaywalking just because there is a red light. That’s just weird that they wouldn’t take the safer option and just ride on through the red light. As a red light is for motorized vehicles.
Cyclists are like pedestrians and are not road vehicles, and its about time road users started see cycle lands like they would pavements, as a place not to block, that could have any kind of
user on them, as they are not part of the traffic but for non-motorized vehicles.
As to cyclists riding the pavement, they cannot get up to 30 km/hr and have never to my knowledge ever caused a fatality of a pedestrian. Massive horsepower does that.
Oh, and a caller to Moro said something astonishingly stupid. That competition is natural, actually cooperation is far more prevalent. If we didn’t cooperate the roads would be dangerous and congested, but by accept rules that are fair too all we get to lower the danger and the congestion.
And that means cyclist should not fear traveling on the road, and that’s why they should ride the pavements so our council planners can realize where the dangers are and start dealing to them.
No need for research just measure the number of cyclists on the foot path and you’ll get a very good measure of the danger they feel from riding alongside trucks, etc.
Cyclists are slower, so drivers of course see them and comment on them more. Moro needs to realize this, that a segment of the community with their anger hat on will naturally fine narratives that
use cyclists to push their anger, rather than the othe rway around. Its like road rage by radio shock jock.
If Labour wants more voters they must not raise the super age.
A vital couple % of voters and I have met some, “don’t know don’t wanna know” kiwis in their late 50s early 60s will take ShonKey’s bait and switch on not raising the the super age. Labour will get no brownie points what so ever by playing demographics and population bubbles. The fact is super at 60 for those that need it could be afforded if corporate welfare was cut off.
And now possible tinkering with Lotto at Countdown http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11234506 it will be curly lightbulbs all over again.
Get real Labour and drop the sideshows, the key, heh, strategic goal for September is denying the Key gang a further term in office. “Feed the kids, house the homeless, a job for everyone that wants to work” as Hone says.
Kiwis who are currently in their late 50 early 60’s will not be impacted, or only by a few months, by Labour’s proposal to raise the retirement age, assuming it is the same framework as Labour’s 2011 election policy.
People aged 59 or older won’t have their age of entitlement increase at all.
For every year under 59, the entitlement is only pushed out by 2 months. Working an extra 2-6 months won’t make much of a difference for most.
Revealing comment from Key in relation to a anti-Semitic posting on the Young Nats fb page:
“I’ve certainly never met anybody in the National Party, certainly Young Nats, that’s ever expressed those sort of comments to me. I went to the Young Nats ball on Saturday night and you can probably imagine the sort of reception I got. And it’s pretty well known that my mother was Jewish.”
“… my mother was Jewish”.
I think that makes it pretty clear that he does not regard himself as Jewish, which will disappoint at least one frothing Jewish Bankster conspiracy theorist who occasionally pops in to TS.
Of course if there were anti-semites in the young nats then he’s the last person they’re going to express those views in front of, because he’s the fucking leader of their party and his mother was a fucking jew.
ffs.
I can imagine all of the young nats are all sweetness and spice while bathing in the beatific smirk of their idol.
The Envrioment Court has rules that the Public Works Act cannot be used to take part of the ourt views the taking of this piece of land as not essential as there is also another planned route for the road in question…
Lolz excuse the above comment, what it should say is that the Enviroment Court has said the Public Works Act cannot be used to take a piece of ancestral land belonging to well know writer Patricia Grace,
The Court says that as there is another planned route for a proposed road in the area the public good provisions of the Act cannot be applied….
Yep. Heard it on RNZ news:
i smell a bill under urgency… cant do poverty or sexual violence under urgency… but a road
Aha Karol, more on this just on RadioNZ National, it appears that the road can go ahead with a minor tweak to the road alignment
The Court learned during the hearing that such a realignment is entirely possible as the other proposed route is already owned by the Crown, something which the Transport Agency withheld from both Patricia Grace and the Maori Land Court,(this would seem to fit my definition of contempt of the Court),
Wi Parata the ancestor from whom Patricia inherited this land was known to have gifted a number of tracts of land to the Crown including for schools and the Main-Trunk Rail-line, which in my view just goes to show that the Crown have not learned a fucking thing despite the billions of dollars of settlement monies so far paid out to Iwi up and down this country,
The attitude still appears to be if Maori wont give up what little is left of their land when the Crown wants it then the Crown will simply take it,
The particular block in question is awaiting the sign off into the status of being ‘Maori Reserve Land’ which will mean that it can never be sold nor alienated from the current and future owners in any way…
That would fit my definition of corruption and needs to be investigated ASAP.
The rock-star economy appears to have taken another dive toward the bottom of the pool, the ‘tax take’ is now said to be down by 1billion dollars+ and the tired excuse that this has been caused by ‘slow’ business tax payers is starting to wear more than a little thin….
And yet when the economy was booming under Labour (remember those days?), treasury routinely underestimated the tax take year after year.
Interesting review and comments made on Loretta Napoleoni’s book by Wayne Hope on the Daily Blog…
‘ Maonomics: why Chinese communists make better capitalists than we do”
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/03/17/the-chinese-centuryreview-of-loretta-napoloeonis-maonomics-why-chinese-communists-make-better-capitalists-than-we-do/
…particularly pertinent to the strategic situation (trading and military) NZ finds itself in viz China and USA
Simon Bridges is opening up DOC’s biggest forest park for oil and gas exploration …
http://www.3news.co.nz/Minister-didnt-know-park-was-in-drilling-plan/tabid/1607/articleID/339311/Default.aspx
And he fessed that he’d never even heard of it before -ye gods!
Do you believe he didn’t know about it? I’m not so sure.
Estonia a Global Example of E-Government, Digital Freedom, Privacy and Security
A bit further checking:
So, it appears that internet voting is secure and works fine.
Oh, and that having government fully integrated is also a damn good idea.
How does it account for:
1. Literal standover tactics, where someone forces someone else to vote for their chosen party.
2. Keeping voting preferences private, by easily being able to view who someone votes for.
3. Ensuring copy-cat phishing sites aren’t set up to syphon genuine votes away into a black hole.
I’m sure there are many many other problems for which the best solution is a physical polling place administered by electoral officials.
1.) You can vote multiple times before final close
2.) That sentence makes no sense. Suffice to say that it’s not easy to see anyone’s voting record
3.) People can check their own voting record
No, there isn’t.
Ok, I’ll just accept your blanket assertion that there are no problems at all with e-voting and every eventuality has been accounted for.
From your answer to 3, it means both 1 and 2 are still easily possible.
I didn’t say there were no problems. I said that there were no problems where the best solution was paper voting.
And correctable.
I never said paper voting was the best solution. I said voting in person at a physical polling place administered by electoral officials.
Ok, please tell me how you are going to ensure that no one can blackmail / bribe others to vote a certain way.
So you’d be fine with internet voting at polling places? But if we do that then we may as well allow those who want to vote wherever they are to do so.
The same way we do now.
No, the way we do it now is by having voting done in a polling place and monitored by electoral officials, and once your vote is cast, no one but you know who you voted for.
It’s pretty easy to say say “yes, I voted for that party you blackmailed me to vote for” while lying. The blackmailers have no way to verify that, so there’s nothing they can really to enforce their threat.
But with electronic polling done in the privacy of your own home, and being able to look at your past voting record at any time, it is now easy to blackmail someone else into voting for who you say to vote for.
With the possibility that no one knows who you voted for.
No it’s not because as soon as they’re gone you can change it.
And if they’re standing over you then they’re not standing over everyone else. Comes down to logistics – the blackmailers just won’t have enough people to force enough people to vote how they want to change the vote.
With all due respect. Frak off Draco you’re being idiotic.
Pay attention to what people like Snowden, Greenwald and Appelbaum have been saying about the completely compromised nature of the internet and all electronic communications before you let off more technology worshipping brainfarts.
I am paying attention to them. Haven’t seen any reason why we can’t have a better system yet.
+100 CV …..agreed ….dont think internet voting is the way to go…too many points at which votes could be ‘lost’ or sabotaged or muddled or found to be inadmissible mucked up votes
…besides many of the crucial voters would not know how to use the internet or have internet facilities, so it would add a complexity about getting people to vote at voting booths
…also be too hard to check back to the source of the vote on the counting and a recount
That can only happen on paper voting.
We can leave the old paper system in place until the old fogies die out.
Actually, it’ll be a hell of a lot easier as each individual would be able to check their vote – which they can’t do at the moment.
Yes, because denial of service attacks never make electronic systems unusable for long periods of time.
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Indeed. This is not like dumping a couple of ballot boxes off the side of the road which contain a few hundred votes total, via computerised systems you can tamper with hundreds of thousands of votes at a time, even as they are being recorded or reported.
That’s actually really difficult with online systems. Think about it. You have to intercept the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers that could be in any random location and then you have to actually break the security on each computer as well as the receiving computer all within a short period of time and then you may be able to do something. Chances are that you’ll be detected.
And Security Tokens make even intercepting those computers communications ineffective.
There are defences for DOS attacks.
The only defenses are “build a bigger pipe”. For anyone sufficiently motivated, they can muster a larger attack force (using botnets as well as traffic amplification attacks) than you can build defenses for.
Another person who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Another person who is relying on wikipedia content as if that somehow wins them an argument.
Those systems will all fail under a sufficiently large attack.
It does against pure ignorance.
Then we make them better. Use a layered system that utilises several of them. What we don’t do is just whine that it can’t be done.
@DTB…you might be surprised at how many young fogies dont have the internet…and they would be crucial votes to the Left
….sorry think it is easier to lose things on the internet than in a paper trail
….and easier to do a Florida jiggery pokery miscount on the internet
…..i am with CV on this one because he is super smart and i agree with him on most things
Not really. One of them happens to be a brother in law and he votes NZFirst.
Done properly it’s actually harder.
Actually, it’s impossible to do a miscount with internet voting.
well you have to convince middle aged fogies like me ….because voting systems credibility in a General Election is crucial
….thus far you havent convinced me on any of your points except the one about your brother in law
…still with young CV on this
Of course I haven’t – you’re stuck in a belief and beliefs are incredibly difficult to change even when facts are readily available.
I could point out that everything you’ve said about online voting was also said about online banking and none of the bad things came to pass. Online security is better than you believe. Sure, it still has its weaknesses but they’re few, far between and can usually be detected fairly rapidly. IMO, online voting will actually be more secure than paper voting.
Yeah I guess none of those tens of millions of credit card numbers, customer details and passwords being compromised and stolen from online retailers etc. counts.
Get a grip Draco, you’re techno-worship is blinding you to the reality of what is actually happening out there.
Did you notice where they were stolen from? The online retailers – not the banks.
And, yes, they do count – so does the response. More security and the accounts being fixed within days. Same thing happens to an election you just annul the votes and have another election a week later.
I’m quite aware of what’s happening out there. The difference between you and me is that I’m not afraid of it and that I think we can improve our democracy by taking it online.
Gawd dammit Draco, with “man in the middle attacks” and all kinds of other contrivances, exactly this stuff is VERY possible.
Oh dear, do you even know what a Man in the Middle Attack is? And how many defences against them there are?
Online voting is just as secure, if not more so, than voting on paper in a polling booth.
Are there any countries where online voting is done successfully for General Elections?…and with 100% public confidence?
….my guess is many people would not vote because it would be more hassle for them( eg finding a computer and then finding out how to work it and find their electronic voting form and figuring out how to vote ) than just going to a polling booth
…i know plenty of people who do not use internet banking because of the perceived risks …and this includes an accountant who does small business’s books
Estonia – that’s what started up this discussion. They also do referenda through them.
Well, it won’t that hard. About 97% of NZ households are on the net and the polling booths would still be available on the day for awhile at least.
There are risks but they’re fairly minimal and can be well handled.
yes well ONE country ..namely Estonia…. is not exactly a great advert for this new internet electoral system
….still think it is a techy’s dream
…dont believe 97% of NZ households are on the internet
….still think many people will not vote…both because it is too difficult for them and because they will think it is sus…so you will be marginalising and alienating a lot of people…many of them Labour supporters
As I said, dealing with a belief is the hardest thing to do.
yeah Dracy get a grip…i dont trust Techys to control a General Election …no way!( i live with one)…they are tricky dickys and to follow their electronic trails is like trying to find a ghost in the mists