The right wing propagandists are certainly going to town with their ‘Banks is an honourable man’ rubbish! Apparently he might even appeal the decision, implying that he’s somehow not really guilty until this happens. Of course that would be a complete waste of court time and public money because there are no grounds to appeal.
The evidence succinctly shows that he’s guilty, which begs the question; why exactly did the Police fail to press charges in the first place?
With the now disgraced Maurice Williamson going on about National MP’s contacting the Police during ongoing investigations not being out of the ordinary, perhaps those are two dots that should be joined together in this false declaration case? The Police’s reasoning for not pursuing the matter at the time was clearly flawed and the Government pressuring them to not press charges is a plausible explanation for such failure. With National’s track record and a strong motive to stay in power, what other explanation is there?
The Police’s choice to not lay charges has now been categorically proven to be unjustified by the judge’s decision and summary.
In my opinion, that guilty verdict should mean Banks is already out the door. We certainly don’t need anymore representation of conmen within parliament and there certainly doesn’t need to be all the hoopla that’s going on. By remaining in power he’s essentially ripping us taxpayers off while giving us the finger. In fact the Act party is treating this as an opportunity to gain media attention, which is clearly not warranted considering their 0.5% polling.
There is no question that the Act party is dead in the water and the sooner they, National and the media realise it the better. Then we can get on with some real coverage of more important issues instead of a sideshow with a bunch of Nactoid clowns that wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them in the arse!
Seems like homelessness is a problem in China too….
“China’s government added concrete spikes underneath China’s city bridges in an effort to stop homeless people from sleeping there. The sharp 20-cm high spikes in Guangzhou have surfaced online, angering citizens who accuse the government of trying to “hide” the homelessness problem.
The area’s Bureau of City Management, Bureau of Transportation, and Bureau of Construction have all denied responsibility for the work.
According to recent statistics, 200 million of China’s 1.4 billion population are homeless.”…
Well, for the Beijing Olympics the authorities rounded up and bussed all the beggars and homeless people 500km out of town, knowing that by the time they made it back into Beijing the Olympics (and the journolists) would be gone.
yeah. i remember a stat not long ago claiming 200,000 homeless people sleep on the streets of america every night – 40 % of which are war vets. and there’s obama dishing out the money to israel for the murder and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. is it any wonder people like banksie fiddle the books now and then. well, that might be Boag’s reasoning – if she were honest.
I really don’t understand why war veterans are so venerated in the US. Especially since the cynical military-industrial complex deliberately hires from the lower classes, often from the southern states. Then everyone’s surprised when they get shit out the other end with no support?
I really don’t understand why war veterans are so venerated in the US.
There are many reasons, but a major one is the average American’s perception of what those veterans are doing during their overseas service e.g. protecting American freedoms, values and way of life from terrorists who hate them for no understandable or valid reason.
They only pretend to venerate them, and it’s all to do with making volunteering attractive. Young men commonly think of themselves as invincible, and never think they might be the one who comes home with PTSD instead of legs. So they keep volunteering. Personally, I favour a draft. When Obama’s and Key’s kids go in the front line as well, we’ll see a lot less enthusiasm for war.
Watching a recording of yesterdays Nation programme and my god… A bag of Flour for Paul Goldsmith. Joyce was asinine as usual, a lot of hot air for nothing, but air pollution. And Coddington still as mad as a meat axe. And no Gower!
The first part covers the individual presentations by each of the 22 shortlisted candidates where they were given one minute to say why they wanted to be part of the IP and then two minutes to talk about an IP policy issue of their choice. These presentations take about two thirds of the video.
The last third covers the process where all the potential candidates were on stage and each had been given a soft topic to argue in favour of for one minute, followed by two minutes of answering questions from the floor, the Executive panel or other candidates. Questions were pretty insipid – eg why the All Blacks’ colour should be changed to yellow; why the NZ capital should be moved to Gore; Christchurch should be rebuilt in Leggo, etc.
During the first part, IP members were able to rate each person from 1 to5 (5 being the high) using an app, whether they were at the meeting or watching the live stream. During the second stage, members were asked to rate their favourite candidate and could change this as the process continued. The ratings were screened behind the candidates in real time.
The potential candidates are a real mix. About one third are women; most candidates are in their 20s or 30s, but also some older with one 60; good mix in terms of ethnicity (pakeha, maori, pasifica, asian, one Iranian NZer); wide range of work backgrounds etc.
Apparently there are further steps in the selection process today – eg individual interviews with the Panel (made up of KDC, Laila Harre, Vikram Kumar and one other man whose name I did not pick up).
I have not watched the whole thing (4 hours is way past my interest/endurance) but it will be interesting to see who makes it through to the final 15.
Glad you saw my comment, weka, because it was essentially in reply to your comment on yesterday’s OM asking about it. It is a pity they did not put it up in sections, but it is quite easy to fast forward and just see bits.
“Women & Sustainability: Why They Need Each Other in a Post-MDG World”
Women’s health and the planet’s health are inextricably intertwined. For too long we’ve pretended otherwise, but that is changing rapidly. In fact, there’s a powerful ripple effect that emerges from women’s empowerment. Women are healthier. Children are healthier. Death and disease go way down. All as a result of simple investments in basic technologies like condoms, the pill, and prenatal healthcare.
Investment in reproductive health also brings about noteworthy dividends for our planet’s ability to sustain us all. When we empower individuals and families with the information and services they need to decide on all aspects related to reproduction and sexuality, we create more sustainable and just communities. Give women choices about their children, and they make smart choices about their environment, too….
Sure Chooky, i forgot to include this one on my little list of reasons put forward by the pro lobby as to why there should be open slather abortion,
Dunno if i should include it above or below Disraeli’s later denied fervently ”casual unprotected sex abounds, abortion is an efficient means of cleaning up any unwanted consequences”,
Funny tho aint it Chooky, in the past 30-40 years the Planets population has leapt ahead in great bounds as far as numbers go despite plenty of countries having adopted similar abortion laws to ours which have seen the number of abortions spiral,
Given that, does ”the plan” propose to inflict such Laws on those countries that do not have them, and as the population is unlikely to be seriously dented numbers wise by having such Laws do you think we should disregard the ‘choice’ bit…
Are there ”paraphrase” marks available Disraeli, does the content between the ”s not encapsulate most of what you said in the other post,(note i also credit you with ”later fervently denied”)…
You didn’t paraphrase me or quote me. If you can’t even read what I wrote, then there’s no point even trying to bring it up in a later conversation because you look ridiculous.
Wrong again Gallstone sorry, i just looked in the mirror and NO according to an admittedly personal measurement i do not look ridiculous,
SO you deny then ever using words to the effect that: ”casual unprotected sex is common and therefor freely provided abortions are a good means of sanitizing the consequences of such actions”…
Yes, I do deny it. Unsurprisingly, you are wrong on various different levels.
I did not say casual unprotected sex is common. I said that casual sex is now normal, healthy and people shouldn’t be judged for it. Nothing about unprotected sex there. Unprotected sex is dangerous and we should educate people about it.
I also didn’t say that abortions are a “good” means of dealing with the consequences of the actions. Abortions should be the last resort and we should aim to bring down abortions rate. Ultimately, though, it has to be a choice open to a woman if she wishes to have it.
I will try and write this in baby steps for you because you struggle with reading comprehension. Here is the position that I repeated numerous times:
People have different attitudes to sex. Some people engage in casual sex. Some people prefer monogamous sex after dating. Some people only have sex after married. These are all okay. No one should be judged for their preference. They are all capable of being healthy lifestyles.
Unprotected casual sex is a problem, though. Heck, unprotected sex in general can be a problem until the partners have been checked and there’s no trust issues. Though while still an issue, I don’t think it’s as common as you’re trying to make it out. The majority of people practice safe sex.
We need better sex ed. We need to ensure that there are conversations around birth control and sexually transmitted disease. We also need to have conversations around consent and attitude towards the other gender.
We need better, cheaper access to birth control. We need to be in a position where no one is unable to use a birth control that is reliable and well-suited to their own health needs. This would reduce abortion rates and unplanned pregnancies. Any costs would be vastly recouped by the savings made from the costs that arise from unplanned pregnancies. We do however have to be aware that birth control is hardly ever 100% effective.
Abortion needs to be legal and freely available for women who make the choice to have one. Making abortion illegal leads to dangerous back street abortion that costs lives and it leads to mental health problems for the women who engage in it. We need a supportive, informed background to allow women to make the choice that is best for them. And with the above issues in place, that should see abortion rates drop and the process being used merely as a last resort, not a “good means” of getting rid of the consequences.
So in a nutshell, you’re ridiculously wrong that I said “casual unprotected sex is common and therefor freely provided abortions are a good means of sanitizing the consequences of such actions”.
I think when an issue is as sensitive and contentious as this one, it is really good that people make an attempt to be respectful; to read comments carefully and not take them out of context and misrepresent what people are saying, which bad12 clearly did with your comment.
If one wishes for a constructive discussion this is important. If one wishes to be ‘right’ no matter what – then carry on bad12 – but do realise that people reading may well read through your poor representation of others’ arguments and consider you very wrong for doing so. (I conclude such things even if I am arguing on the same ‘side’ as the person conducting such tactics.) If an argument has merit – it can be argued on the points, not underhand tactics. On an issue such as this one – I think it is particularly bad form to conduct such tactics.
I found myself on the side of the debate for abortion, and wasn’t too comfortable about that – knowing it is important to respect life and not wishing to promote abortion, however I found it incredibly objectionable that some assumed that women making the decision to terminate a pregnancy are being irresponsible, and were promoting the idea that someone other than the women should be involved in making that decision in order to ensure the life of the child is considered as if women can avoid considering this, or that the women should be forced into continuing with the pregnancy? – these are simply not reasonable conclusions to draw.
Adding to this, when it comes to having children when on a low income also leaves women targeted for similar levels of judgement, contempt and vitriol makes me realise that there is still something very very wrong with attitudes toward women.
After debating all day yesterday on the matter, I sat down to do some study on International Relations and as complete coincidence would have it I was reading a chapter on poverty and hunger – and guess what? Women and children are forming the majority in these statistics; Internationally and internally in our own nation. This is a University textbook – not a conspiracy theory dvd. There is something very, very wrong with this picture. And while people continue to blame those most disadvantaged by our system, I suggest that not a whole lot is going to improve with this flawed system we have.
So I suggest to those of you wishing to curb the rate of abortions, I strongly suggest that you focus on the reasons why women might be doing such and try and address these matters, rather than attempt to force them to carry on with pregnancies when they do not feel capable of providing a decent life for that child (for what-ever reason, emotionally or materially) Because as others’ mentioned – whether abortion is legal or not – women will persist if they are desperate enough, so you are only pushing for a dire situation to become more dire.
The Greens had the correct idea – in that very policy they have mentioned the aim/availability of additional support for women who might carry on with their pregnancy bar their vulnerable position. As usual the Greens have thought of the wider picture. Well done the Greens.
Right Gallstone, so casual sex is all good, and aborting the end result of such casual sex is also all good,(that neatly paraphrases you points),
SO, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time with a third strand of ”fluff” being added in the form of ”more education” ”more contraceptives freely available”,
Your conversation so far, abbreviated, ”casual sex is all good” ”fluff” ”casual sex which results in an abortion is all good” ”fluff” ”fluff” equals ”casual unprotected sex which leads to abortion is all good”,
You can ”fluff” all you like over ‘education’ and availability of ‘birth control contraceptives’ but that is your obvious position, and, the number of abortions despite the introduction of more education and more birth control contraceptives suggests that either contraceptives fail on a far greater scale than anyone will admit too, or, despite education and availability people having casual sex choose not to use them….
Lolz perfect argument Blue leopard, people that disagree are rabid hysterics, actually i preferred Stephanie’s rather snide expressed ”suspicions” the other day as the ”attempt” at silencing the debate,
”Suspects” or having ”suspicions” adds so much more excitement to the debate than a simpletons ”rabies” or hysterics” don’t you think…
It is not that I disagree with your comment that I describe you as such.
It is the quality of your argument that I base my conclusions on.
Have you no points that have merit you can raise? Is misrepresenting what people are saying, the only way you can continue the debate?
How do you think you can make a point by making up what people are saying?
But never mind. I think I put forward my position quite succinctly and clearly. There’s no real contradiction in it. You twist them to change what I’m saying to meet your own deluded position and there’s no point trying to engage with you if you’re either going to deliberately twist my words or simply cannot comprehend the English language.
I’ll leave with this suggestion, though, from what I learnt about you over the last two days.
Don’t vote the Internet MANA Party. Try voting the Conservatives. They seem to fit your dinosaur attitudes a little better.
I think single ‘ can be used to show paraphrasing but I find it’s easier to say something like, and to paraphrase xyz, ‘it is raining here and it is wet’ – there can be no misinterpretation with that.
“despite plenty of countries having adopted similar abortion laws to ours which have seen the number of abortions spiral,”
I’m not sure whether you mean that abortion numbers have spiralled up or down. Worldwide, the number of abortions reduced from 45.6million to 43.8million from 1995 to 2008, with major reductions in the ‘developed’ countries (from 10 to 6 million) with a marginal absolute increase in the ‘developing’ countries (from 35.5 to 37.8 million).
Abortion rates (as opposed to absolute numbers) also dropped, worldwide, between 1995 and 2003 and then stabilised (with a minor reduction) through to 2008.
An interesting quote from a footnote to the table reads:
“The Southern Africa subregion, dominated by South Africa, where abortion was legalized in 1997, has the lowest abortion rate of all African subregions, at 15 per 1,000 women in 2008. East Africa has the highest rate, at 38, followed by Middle Africa at 36, West Africa at 28 and North Africa at 18.“
I should add that rates of abortion worldwide have decreased quite markedly (from 35 per 1000 women to 28 per 1000 women) between 1995 and 2008 which is why there has been a drop in absolute numbers of abortions despite population increases.
“What I do know is that John will consider everything. He’s an honorable man….”
—Former ACT leader RICHARD “MAD DOG” PREBBLE, speaking on Q+A, Television One, Sunday 8 June 2014
More liars….
No. 40 Colin Craig: “I’m interested in raising the level of debate.”
No. 39 George W. Bush: “We will be standing with the people of Afghanistan and Iraq until their hopes for freedom and liberty are fulfilled.”
No. 38 Jeremy Hansen: “I read a great column by Paul Thomas in the Herald….”
No. 37 Alan Seay: “You know, we respect the rights of people to protest….”
No. 36 Paul Dykzeul: “No we won’t be changing the Listener; it’s got a terrific editor….”
No. 35 Mark Jennings: “I think Paul’s a bright guy and he will be able to bring a discipline to his performance….”
No. 34 Willie Jackson: “I thought we’d been sensitive with her yesterday….”
No. 33 Supt. Bill Searle: “I think what’s happened here is the police officers have done their very best….”
No. 32 Sonny-Bill Williams: “It’s good to get the win over Papua-New Guinea, a strong Papua-New Guinea side, aahhhh….”
No. 31 John Palino: “Suggestions that I am somehow orchestrating some grand right-wing conspiracy to unseat Len after the election are so wrong…”
No. 30 Alan Dershowitz: “I will give $10,000 to the PLO if you can find a historical fact in my book that you can prove to be false.” No. 29 John Banks: “I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. And never, ever would I ever knowingly sign a false electoral return. Never ever would I ever.”
No. 28 John Kerry: “…we are especially sensitive, Chuck and I, to never again asking any member of Congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence.”
No. 27 Lyse Doucet: “I am there for those without a voice.”
No. 26 Sam Wallace: “So here we are—Otahuhu. It’s just a great place to be, really.”
No. 25 Margaret Thatcher: “…no British government involvement of any kind…with Khmer Rouge…”
No. 24 John Key: “…at the end of the day I, like most New Zealanders, value the role of the fourth estate…”
No. 23 Jay Carney: “…expel Mr Snowden back to the U.S. to face justice…”
No. 22 Mike Bush: “Bruce Hutton had integrity beyond reproach.”
No. 21 Tim Groser: “I think the relationship is genuinely in outstanding form.”
No. 20 John Key: “But if the question is do we use the United States or one of our other partners to circumvent New Zealand law then the answer is categorically no.”
No. 19 Matthew Hooton: “It is ridiculous to say that unions deliver higher wages! They DON’T!”
No. 18 Ant Strachan: “The All Blacks won the RWC 2011 because of outstanding defence!”
No. 17 Stephen Franks: “Peter has been such a level-headed, safe pair of hands.”
No. 16 Phil Kafcaloudes: “Tony Abbott…hasn’t made any mistakes over the past eighteen months.”
No. 15 Donald Rumsfeld: “I did not lie… Colin Powell did not lie.”
No. 14 Colin Powell: “a post-9/11 nexus between Iraq and terrorist organizations…connections are now emerging…”
No. 13 Barack Obama: “Simply put, these strikes have saved lives.”
No. 12 U.K. Ministry of Defence: “Protecting the Afghan civilian population is one of ISAF and the UK’s top priorities.”
No. 11 Brendan O’Connor: “Australia’s approach to refugees is compassionate and generous.”
No. 10 Boris Johnson: “Londoners have… the best police in the world to look after us and keep us safe.”
No. 9 NewstalkZB PR dept: “News you NEED! Fast, fair, accurate!”
No. 8 Simon Bridges: “I don’t mean to duck the question….”
No. 7 Nigel Morrison: “Quite frankly, they’ve been VERY tough.”
No. 6 Herald PR dept: “Congratulations—you’re reading New Zealand’s best newspaper.”
No. 5 Rawdon Christie: “…a FORMIDABLE replacement, it seems, is Claudette Hauiti.”
No. 4 Willie and J.T.: “The X-Factor. Nah, nah, there’s some GREAT talent there!” No. 3 John Key: “Yeah we hold MPs to a higher standard.”
No. 2 Colin Craig: “Oh, I have a GREAT sense of humour.”
No. 1 Barack Obama: “Margaret Thatcher was one of the great champions of freedom and liberty.”
Anyone else find this meme disgusting for unashamed bias, dishonesty, stupidity, as well as seminally indicative of the staggering entitlement of the Planet Key’s establishment ? –
“Banks’ DEFEAT of transparency re connection with Dotcom PALES against Mana’s CELEBRATION of transparency re connection with Dotcom – Criminality Good……. Lawfulness Bad……..Criminality Good……..Lawfulness Bad.”
Mike Williams, a pretty good column in today’s Herald surrounding the non-vote, trouble is i hear the old violin playing but the only obvious solution hasn’t had its song written into the musical,
Mike points out that pretty much 25% of eligible Kiwis don’t vote, so, 75% do, contrast that with Aussie voters, 93–94% of those who are told that they Must vote do,
Yeah yeah, you all just hate being compelled to do anything, the violins tho are silent, i see nor hear any opposition to there being a compulsion by Law in this country to enroll to vote…
For those of you on iPads (and probably iPhones), I just fixed a bug I wasn’t aware of. The webapp portion of the mobile system wasn’t working on iOS7+
Turned the webapp feature off.
The effect is that you can now add it to your mobile desktops, click on it, and read the site.
The bug only really showed up as far as I was aware on iOS7.
If you had bookmarked the site on your desktop, it would display as a full screen webapp on iOS5/6. On iOS7 it would often fail to load.
I turned the fullscreen webapp off and made it display as being in the browser just like it does on Android.
I’d have seen it earlier, but I only use android myself these days and only had access to a old iphone and ipad.
BTW: Lyn won’t let me touch her beloved iPad, iPhone, or Mac laptop (I now have a jealousy as well as a cost aversion about apple devices). I was rather surprised that at the list conference that David Cunliffe let me play with his iPad after he’d complained about the “server connection speed”. But it took me 30 minutes to figure out that the problem was the webapp and fix it at the server.
John Campbell was greatly amused by the destruction of an innocent man;
But he’s more charitable toward an actual criminal Mediawatch, Radio NZ National, Sunday 8 June 2014
sanc•ti•mo•ni•ous (ˌsæŋk təˈmoʊ ni əs) adj. showing or marked by false piety or righteousness; hypocritically virtuous.
—Random House Kernerman Webster’s College Dictionary
In 2005 the National Party’s dirty tricks wing came up with a ludicrously exaggerated and distorted story that Dunedin South MP and Environment Minister David Benson-Pope had abused students when he was a teacher. Nobody with any sense believed a word of it, but the National Party and its media tributaries (NewstalkZB, Television One, TV3) kept repeating the stories, and it became an ongoing accusation against Benson-Pope, even though it had no evidence to back it up. Forced to go along with this charade and investigate these vicious lies, the Speaker of the House concluded that there was no substance to any of the allegations.
However, the extreme right wing press never gave up on the fantasy. The most deranged journalism-impersonator in the country, Ian Wishart, repeated the lies in 2006 in his crazy Investigate magazine. Working closely with the grubbiest functionaries in the National Party, like Judith Collins, Wishart conjured up a lurid scenario of an out-of-control tyrant stuffing tennis balls into students’ mouths and walking into the girls’ showers. Collins actually called Benson-Pope a “pervert”—under the cover of parliamentary privilege of course.
The media failed to seriously investigate the claims. The media failed to put things in perspective. Instead, the media simply repeated the National Party’s allegations, wholesale. Like dogs after a stuck pig, the parliamentary press gallery took Judith Collins’ lead and ran snarling—or more accurately, snickering and guffawing—after their quarry. TV3’s king of compassion, John Campbell, was one of the leaders of the baying—snickering, guffawing—pack of hounds; Campbell Live gleefully ran jaunty, comical Benny Hill type music to enhance its pictures of scores of reporters laying in wait for the beleagured Benson-Pope. Campbell seemed greatly amused by the spectacle of a cabinet minister being harried and persecuted in parliament, humiliated and driven to tears by liars in an utterly spurious National Party campaign.
FAST FORWARD EIGHT YEARS….
This morning, on Mediawatch, Campbell was asked if he was pleased that his own investigations had played a major part in the conviction of the disgraced ACT M.P. John Banks. Now, remember that, in contrast to Benson-Pope, who, contrary to the claims of Judith Collins and her cronies, had done nothing wrong, Banks has just been found guilty of a grave crime. Surely someone who delighted in the persecution of an innocent man would be over the moon at the conviction of a real criminal.
Not quite….
Campbell assumed a tone of unctuous sincerity and intoned: “That’s a difficult one. When you start to revel in another’s misfortune, that reeks of vigilantism.”
Benson-Pope obviously believed he’d physically assaulted those students because he issued a public statement apologising for it even while claiming he’d done nothing wrong – and of course everyone is “innocent” in prison. Perhaps we can get you a job with the Catholic Church.
Pops @ 14.1 – “he [Benson-Pope] issued a public statement apologising for it even while claiming he’d done nothing wrong……”.
Have tried to find the apology Pops but can’t. Can you assist please ? Not that I doubt you but really would like to read the apology, in it’s entirety, myself. Followed that business quite closely at the time and recall nothing of an apology.
Yes, mistake indeed. A pretty clumsy (if not deliberate) one at that. Leaves quite un-molested my long held sense of Pops as……..well you know, a visiting T123 T1234……
There you are Pops……..somewhere in the last sentence there’s a word part of which you may be foolish enough, in your own name, to utilise. To finish the job on Benson-Pope commenced those years ago under parliamentary privilege by the loathsome Judith Collins.
Do you get a little warm glow of pride when you accuse possible abuse victims of lying? You seem quite gleeful about it. Do you apply this to rape victims too?
Your mealy-mouthed response @ at 14.1.1.1 was the only one available to you.
Now @ 14.1.1.1.1.1 you’re straight back to Txxx Txxxx without missing a beat. Aggressive and haughty, aiming at differently positioned goalposts in a completely different code. Very telling in my book. A big din calculated to cover the discomfort of being caught out.
God Pops……..you are so, so , so Judith. Take some gardening leave please.
Calling Morrissey – there’s the possibility that the heat nominally directed at you by Felix is actually meant for me.
OK. In response to Morrissey Pops misrepresented Benson-Pope, pejoratively. In doing so he chose to align with or at least minmise what Morrissey reminds was a disgusting campaign to destroy Benson-Pope. Then fantastically he falsely attributes to me gleeful harassment of abuse and rape victims. And the deriving by me of a warm glow of pride in the fiction about where I’m at.
That’s my “fucking problem” with that Felix.
From someone who repeatedly comes across as one whose sole claim to being of the Left resides in personal distaste for Mr Higher ShonKey Standards, well it just adds.
Not entirely sure how being of the left means I’m supposed to toady to the left’s fuck ups as well. I am of the left, but all politicians and ideologies are worthy of cynicism
Pops old fella……that’s the point. You’re NEVER entirely……..well……..anything really. That’s a worthy cynicism I guess.
Oh except in unmistakeable Tory pejorative. And a certain biliousness about a certain German. You’re fairly ace at that. Why the fuck bother ? Ship out to Kiwiblog where you can disport in ‘moderate’ splendour and fake up your ‘erudition’ without challenge.
At least Pop isn’t using multiple pseudonyms to agree with himself like you are Morrissey you sad fool.
[lprent: I do keep an eye on that along with a number of other astroturfing techniques. Just had a glance at this one. Doesn’t seem likely to me. Nothing at a technical level pops out. The style is different. Maybe they just tend to agree? ]
It would be quite hard to stuff a tennis ball into someone’s mouth. I remember being dubious about that at the time, and I’ve seen teachers do some very strange things.
Felix……. such peremptory rejection of the congress of sentiment evidenced by the freemen North and Morrissey ???…….freemen hailing from North [North] and North [Cote Point], respectively.
Oops…….hang on…….noooooo…….McIvor nee Woodham North [Grey Lynn] HAS weighed in.
No seriously……..North [North] demands public acknowledgment of his sovereign North [North] being…….unburdened by the killing local body levies of North [Cote Point]. Just North* [Harbour Bridge] *of the.
North [North] finds Morrissey North [Cote Point] thoroughly agreeable otherwise. Stay with the programme Felix – it’s a gradual thing.
Oh Please Flux……..ask me a question ……..I’ll answer it……..promise…….then you can ruminate about whether you told me to fuck off – up [North][Bridge][Point][Cote] ? Oh bugger ! I don’t know.
Oh C’mon Flux…….this can be our own little triumviral fun. Just us three.
Nah, sorry the member for North [Grey Lynn]. Go away. Three’s company four’s a crowd. Anyway, you’re on refreshments.
More than embarrassing Felix @ 14.2.1.2.1 – bloody bizarre – of you.
Let’s look at it. Calmly. Nicely. All starts with Morrissey, yes the real Morrissey, at 14 above. North, the real North, agrees with the real Morrissey (not unprecedented) and fatefully engages a spat with the real Pops. So far so good. Then at 4.27 pm the real Felix starts addressing the real North, the non-Morrissey, as “Morrissey”, telling him to fuck off. “Oh……what’s going on here ?” really muses the real North.
The increasingly unreal Felix has detected a non-real North as a cover for the real Morrissey. At 9.18 pm lPrent advises as follows –
” [lprent: I do keep an eye on that along with a number of other astroturfing techniques. Just had a glance at this one. Doesn’t seem likely to me. Nothing at a technical level pops out. The style is different. Maybe they just tend to agree? ] “.
The now really unreal Felix is really, really troubled – 10.04 pm – Felix – “Nah it’s all him. This isn’t the only place he does it either.” Even provides a link as proof.
GeeZuz Felix. Let it go. We’re way past the softness of that old standard ” I’vvve gottt youuu……..un-derrr myy skinnn……. “. You realise of course that your bete noire Morrissey, that foxy old wordsmith, God……..he’ll be in stitches over this !
And please Felix, have a thought for me the real North. Not the best of feelings to be summarily ‘nonned’ you know. I mean it’s been going on for 24 hours. Today I experienced none of the alacrity with which I normally receive friends Kathryn, Mike, and The Little Tory Shithead 11.00 am Mondays RNZ………I was hoping to get the real oil on that just been ‘nonned’ MP fulla.
Science, the last frontier, nah hang on that was a different movie and an entirely different frontier, a news item earlier in the week had me firing on all exclamation marks,?????, and going Ah Derrr i gotta learn how to drool,
It appears that ”Scientists” have been studying mega-storms and the damage they do, and, the results of the study show that storms with male names do more damage than storms with female ones, i kid you not, and while no furry cuddly animals are said to have either died or been horribly abused during the study the Scientists were reputedly paid,
This brings me to the conclusion of my own scientific study, the results having just been arrived at via a complicated algorithm,
Of all the car accidents that occur befor noon on any given day, 10% of those ”at fault” in such car accidents said that they had eaten toast for breakfast,
The conclusion then, lead by ”science” must be that eating toast for breakfast causes car crashes, undeniable you hear…
Sorry mate other way round at least with deaths not sure about damage but I’d imagine the same holds.
“Analysis of more than six decades of death rates from US hurricanes shows that severe hurricanes with a more feminine name result in a greater death toll,”
i stand corrected Marty, tah much, the obvious further conclusion to such ”science” would have to be to only name storms by the least damaging of the genders,
Gives new meaning to the term, ”it aint rocket science” doesn’t it…
yep or maybe they should use non-gendered names – might reduce the death tolls but i suspect the numbers will rise and rise and rise. I don’t really get why they name them anyway – probably to make it easier for newsreaders or the insurance companies lol
My view is that they should simply find a whole test tube full of other scientists, there is obviously something seriously amiss with the ones that put together that particular ”science”…
I took it that they were just reporting their findings and the findings are the weird bit perhaps showing how deep the patriarchal attitudes in society run.
Good lord, you are obtuse. Quite clearly the implication is that people may unconsciously take storms with female names less seriously than storms with male names and consequently not make adequate precautions or choose to weather it out rather than evacuate.
That really is sooooooo funny Pops, you should be on the TeeeVeeee, the fact that you along with the ”scientists” could believe in such ”accidental” coincidences as ”science” has my gut busting,
Hell if that were the case don’t you think, simply name the fucking storms by the least damaging gender/name, the idea of which just has me laughing even harder…
Sigh. While statistically correlation is no guarantee of causation, in many cases it warrants the application of scientific method. Ignoring data because it doesn’t fit with your personal prejudices is called “superstition” and “ignorance” and puts you in the same camp as creationists, flat earthers, geocentrists, and climate change deniers.
By the way Pops, should there be a further study done to say assess the value of a storms severity against ‘who’ named it,
Or do they appear with name tags or in the modern world bar codes, is there a difference in say a meteorologist naming the storm and an inmate of a psychiatric unit having done so,
The questions are just so many and the answers so few…
Given your entrenched misogyny, bad, were a hurricane with a female name to hit, rather than flee I expect you’d run toward it, flailing your arms and demanding it doesn’t have any abortions.
My entrenched misogyny, Laugh out Loud, you poops is sooo funny,got any more along those lines,
Does it hurt tho this entrenched misogyny, probably a lot less than the pain felt by those flushed down the sink at the abortion clinic right pops, ah that’s right all those girls and boys that get the royal flush aint developed enough to be able to express pain so flushing them is all good right pops,
Ripping a baby girl from its mothers womb and (if mum don’t want to take her home)flushing her cold dead remains down the fucking sink has to be the ultimate in mysogyny doesn’t it pops,
Will no one think of the unicorns! There is no elective late term abortion in New Zealand so no little girls or boys are being ripped from their mothers’ wombs – that little blob of barely differentiated cells hasn’t got as far as gender yet. And don’t be silly, biological waste doesn’t go down the sink… it gets incinerated.
When you’re in a position to get pregnant, maybe you’ll be in a position to comment. Meanwhile I say let women make their own decisions and let termination be safe, legal and hopefully rare.
It appears that ”Scientists” have been studying mega-storms and the damage they do, and, the results of the study show that storms with male names do more damage than storms with female ones
bad12
How about this; To avoid complacency and save future lives and really inform humanity what we are in for – I would like to suggest that from now on gender neutral names that more accurately describe the sense of dread that future generations unlucky enough to be born on Eaarth will experience.
How about Klimate Kchange Killer, KKK I, II, III IV etc?
Future extreme weather warnings:
This just in. World Warming Super Winder, WWW III the third and biggest twister to hit the North American Continent this tornado season is expected to make a direct hit on the town of Chicago within the next 36 hours, to increase your chances of survival please evacuate the city. But whatever you do don’t get caught in the traffic jam, you and your family will be killed.
Or how about: We will now cross live to our weather channel where experts predict that the latest Terrorist New Typhoon, TNT IV is expected to explode a devastating weather bomb directly on central Manilla and surrounding areas, please make the necessary arrangements to spend your remaining hours with your loved ones, may God have mercy on your souls.
Hurricane Hydrogen-bomb Hitler HHH II has left tens of thousands of dead in its wake and nothing standing after the Northern Territory city of Darwin was invaded by a 4 metre storm surge. (That last one is not quite gender neutral, but you get the idea)
While we are on the nazi theme and before I get accused of being an alarmist Climate Change Goebbels and are banned by the climate change ignorers of The Standard, I’ll say it first. “Don’t tell us what to write” lprent
No-ooooo Jenny, please No-oooo, it was intended for a bit of light hearted banter on a Sunday afternoon,
Well to be completely honest it was a fishing line set, obviously the bait was stink and no-one bit,but that’s another story…
Ps, please stop attempting commenting suicide, the sight of all the gore involved has me laughing like a loon which will simply destroy months of practice designed to have me not appearing to be so…
Ps, please stop attempting commenting suicide, the sight of all the gore involved has me laughing like a loon which will simply destroy months of practice designed to have me not appearing to be so…..
bad12
Bad?, bad12, are you OK? “so…” What has happened? Are you all right? You stopped in mid sentence, what’s wrong? Are you having a seizure?
I am sorry for bringing you down. I feel terrible. It’s all my fault, please forgive me.
Thomas Berry, Earth scholar, cosmologist…. a great Ecofeminist who transcended the limitations of patriarchal religion and critiqued its attitudes towards women and the suppression of women. He equated the present environmental crisis and the trashing of the Earth with the subjugation of women, their spirituality and their rights by patriarchal religion.
Chooky, the subjugation of spirituality, Mana, Manaakitanga, Ahi Kaa, Mauri, and, Wairua in my world would be encapsulated in a political philosophy which encourages the free use of abortion,
All the above mentioned intertwined elements of life are offended by the act of abortion, and all those involved anywhere in the chain of events leading up to and including such abortions are in effect destroying in themselves and others the essential life forces be they physical, spiritual, or natural,
i doubt whether any of the ”plastic” proponents of more abortion would have the faintest idea of what any of the above means….
I have an idea of what it means and i disagree wholeheartedly with your personal view. IMO you should just speak for yourself not others, especially Māori women.
+100 marty mars…and I also have Maori ancestry…many Maori women regard a degradation of their status came with patriarchal monotheism….primal polytheistic religions tended to accord equal status to males and females and there was a pantheon of Gods…both male and female ….Papatuanuku, the Earth Mother, for example is perhaps the most important God
And of course Chooky your ”plasticity” allows you to see NO connection through Mana, Manaakitanga,Ahi Kaa,Mauri, and Wairua what-so-ever between the aborted child and Papatuanuku right, its all just words to you right Chooky…
Marty, nice little knee jerk, notice the words after the word Wairua in the comment i publish above,
”In my world” suggestive of whom i am ”speaking for” do you not think,
Point taken Marty and answered above, i would tho suggest you not engage in the language of the hypocrite which you certainly attempt with the final three words of your comment…
Yes I didn’t notice those words – sorry. My point about speaking for yourself stands though and i wasn’t speaking for Māori women, I was speaking for me – which is why i used the IMO.
oh I just noticed that I used “personal view” in my initial knee jerk – good to see.
Marty, you like everyone else is debating the personal, how bout you explain the ”idea” you have of Mana,Manaakitanga,Ahi Kaa,Mauri, and Wairua in relation to what i have said is their inescapable intertwining with all those concepts of Maori involved in abortion,(not necessarily confined to Maori either),
In other words what do you believe these aspects of Maori are and in your opinion how does the act of abortion not effect them…
Yes of course CV, even the earth mother Papatuanuku that ”plastic Chooky” introduced to the conversation, through Wairua and Mauri is connected to the unborn child and thus the unborn child is connected to all living things through Wairua, Mauri and Papatuanuku,
The easy explanation of Wairua as ‘the spirit’ hardly encompasses anything in terms of the wider explanation of how Wairua connects us to our ancestors and gods,(some of whom were our ancestors)lands, seas, rivers, those dead and those yet to be born,
Mauri is slightly easier to come to terms with by ”everything has a life force” ”it may not be alive or have ever lived in terms of the modern understanding of life but it has a life force”
Manaakitanga, is best explained by ” everyone is welcome, there is always room for one more”,
Now you might think Manaakitanga is only extended to the living, not so, manaakitanga is enabled by our Wairua and envelops in its embrace not only that Wairua which it is enabled by but because Wairua and Mauri cannot exist in separate universe must also include Mauri,
Ahi Ka, usually simply described as the burning light or burning fire,(especially when applied to treaty issues), is the light handed down through time to us from our ancestors it is intrinsically interwoven in our wairua it is said to burn brightest in those who are born near and never go far from the Marae of their ancestors,
All of these things, including Mana which i haven’t addressed, are intrinsically linked, and My Opinion, (the capitals are for an obvious reason),says that the act of abortion directly attacks and diminishes one or more of those aspects of Maori,
An example, i have heard a grandmother exclaim about a child, ”that one is the spitting image of my grandfather” that is ahi ka in human form, and the kid will be watched by many especially if the great-great grandfather had great mana for signs of that mana in the child, when it is seen, then ahi ka has passed through wairua from the past into the now,
Had the child tho been aborted, a part of ahi ka is snuffed out…
this kind of traditional knowledge and understandings are becoming more critical again as we find that the flash ‘modern’ ways of looking at things are deficient and sometimes quite injurious.
Lolz CV, you’re welcome, the above is the short version, i have yet to see a book written which fully encompasses the above in all its aspects,(including the ability of the unborn child, gods, or tipuna of the child to put upon those involved a makutu over having aborted the child), now that would be a good read…
Pretty much 50% of Maori are not represented on the Maori Electoral roll choosing instead, as is their right, for whatever reason to enroll on the general roll, so if you are attempting to denigrate someone with your snide little query it is you who is being offensive…
So bad you condemn Māori women to makutu – “to inflict physical and psychological harm and even death through spiritual powers” and think it would be a good read. You really are a big twisted bullshit artist.
Actaully Marty, your opinion of me is far higher than the one i hold of you, which sways between that you are a gutless,lying, wanker and/or a piece of shit,
i am neither unborn child,god, or tipuna, so i condemn no-one to anything, is that the best you can do you pathetic little ”i can pretend to be maori and no-one will notice”,
The fact that you had to reach into a book to find your latest piece of bullshit to explain Makutu tells me like your refusal to debate above that you know as much Maori as my little fingernail does,
”i prefer to hold my cards close to my chest” drips of i am a lying fraud and if i say too much i will expose myself…
bad12 doesn’t have the power to condemn anyone to makutu.
Ancient indigenous traditions often say that children who are taken before their due time may have that power; it is a common theme throughout East Asian and South East Asian folklore, Borneo, New Guinea, etc. But of course it is just superstition.
The reference was to show you how it was done fuckwit.
As for your insinuations about my ethnicity lol was I getting too close to the mark there eh.
IMO those that try to be the big man around their ‘knowledge’ often end up showing their ignorance – case in point you.
I knew you would be too thick to understand why explaining concepts to you would be a waste of time but guess what numbnuts they are personal not for the public and not for a fake like you.
PS Marty, i notice you do not negate the ability of a makutu to inflict such harm upon men and women through their involvement in abortion,
By advocating more, abortions that is, it wouldn’t be i condemning anyone to anything, as i previously explain, me being neither unborn child,god,or tipuna, it would in fact be you that is advocating more such harm from makutu which would naturally occur from a greater access to abortion that you advocate,
Hypocrite, fraud, liar, you encompass them well, wearing all as your badge of honor…
Lolz CV, if i had any such ability to inflict such dire consequences on anyone imagine the trail of carnage round here,
Like i said above, makutu an intrinsic part of Maori and its relationship to what i commented above would make a good read,
Wonder what Mars had for dinner, its come out carping like its on another planet, i better wait for the Lolz, and Lolz again answer to see if it thinks i am an unborn child,god,or,tipuna…
I don’t bother debating these things with those that don’t have a clue – that’s you bad. You are a unoriginal, thick, bullshit artist and guess what – we both know it.
An unkind person Marty would suggest your refusal to debate such things, except for the ability to denounce other’s explanation of concepts as wrong and nothing else, the word wrong,not being a debate, is singularly down to the fact that you are a fraudulent airhead,
Nope, like my father befor me who was always on the general roll i also choose, as is my right along with the other 50% of Maori who do so, to vote on that general role,(i only imparted this information to you Mars because i want a laugh at the following effete insult your airhead will formulate and toss my way)…
Rage Marty,???, but isn’t that why you started in with the insults/abuse, after all in debates, specially in such a sensitive moot as the one being discussed, isn’t ”the tactic” to hurl such unpleasant language about fully expecting a flame to ignite in the hope that the Moderator, who in your zeal you believe will want to shut down the debate as much as the Pro side seem to, will step in and deliver me a spanking,???,
My opinion, would suggest that way befor ”Rage” a thinking person proposing to address a moot from any perspective has gained the resources to address that moot from all angles without exhibiting rage,
Right now you are probably thinking hypocrite at me, but, a considered view of our exchanges today, along with a modicum of honesty, would have you well able to pin-point where debate became rage, insult’ and even abuse,
The exchange between myself and weka is a case in point, weka posed a considered question to me, i replied with what i considered to be a considered but abbreviated reply,(to propose fully my view of abortion would take pages and hours),
Weka then gave a reply containing somewhat of an insult, to which i replied in kind,
my point being, that i am happy to debate anything on any level anyone chooses to debate from and NO i am far from an innocent when it comes to nasty shit,
Well the rage was my stuff. My trigger was that I felt incensed that a group of people trying to do their best in the world was saddled with being cursed. That was when I lost it and started delivering insults and abuse and that was my stuff, my issues. From there it just became tit for tat and I accept responsibility for the nastiness I fueled. It wasn’t a debating tactic, I was absolutely furious and didn’t control myself at all. The comment that got me going became the release point for my anger at a number of things including things not related to you or even the topic and I allowed it to flow. That was a mistake and I’m sorry that i did that and I’m sorry to you for doing that.
Lolz Marty Mars, apologies are not necessary and if it was a needed release of anger, we all have them, then it was a pleasure to be of some use on a quiet Sunday,
As i point out, myself am far from being an innocent babe in the woods, and, some commenters as the thread of the conversation shows, usually ones where there is a ”history” get treated at the least with disdain as a matter of course,
Brought up on the old ”sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you” i quite happily wallow as deeply in the mud as anyone’s pond of muck turns out to be,and believe me, there is nothing anyone here can label me with that i havn’t in this life lived less than ordinary been called befor and emotionally dealt with,
Aw no its five past, my fine cloths have turned to rags and gumboots to a glass slipper,(i dont dare look outside to check on the waka),
“this kind of traditional knowledge and understandings are becoming more critical again as we find that the flash ‘modern’ ways of looking at things are deficient and sometimes quite injurious.”
I agree. Abortion is practiced in pretty much every indigenous culture I have come across, including by Māori (I think you will be hard pressed to find any culture that doesn’t have knowledge of how to do abortions). If you talk with Māori women, you will get a range of beliefs about how abortion fits into their world view, just like with other cultures.
Yeah right Tracey, kill’em all right, there might be a chance of death through child birth,
The Law already caters for mothers who have an identified problem that could endanger the mother’s life,
If anyone not so identified doesn’t want to chance such a risk as you chirrup Tracey, that hasn’t been previously identified they can always engage in using that unheard of thing called contraception, or if forgetful, the morning after pill,
There’s also something that’s well known in my hood that definitely avoids any such complications, its called closing your fucking legs, also known as abstinence…
and yet my comment was related to the ancient and spiritual traditions you and cv were extolling, so i take it you have no knowledge of the issues i asked about given your knee jerked you straight to your pet meme
Such an oral history Tracey would as these things are imparted not be imparted to me, i have a set of balls ”other stuff” in families that choose to pass on such knowledge is imparted to us with the ”other stuff’…
Bad, out of curiousity, are you suggesting that the law be rewritten to exclude Māori women from access to abortions, or are you suggesting that the Māori world view you are sharing here should be the basis of law for all women in NZ?
Neither weka, i have suggested nothing surrounding the current Law or proposals other than that it should not be made easier to gat an abortion than it is now,
If i were to propose anything it would be compulsory education about the use of contraceptives and the dangers of not using them,
i would then propose that contraceptives, including the morning after pill be free and made freely available in places other than chemists or doctors,(along with all doctors visits concerning contraception being free if they are not already),
i would in no way make abortions any more restrictive than they are now,(even tho the High Court and Appeal Court ruled that in the case of the Wellington DHB they were being provided outside the Law)
What i would do after the provision of all the free advice, free contraceptives including the morning after pill, and free abortions(for which i would demand that the DHB provide a free taxi chit to and from issued by the certifying doctor)would be devise a spanking for those who had availed themselves of such where no actual physical threat to life existed,
The extent of such a spanking would be between those put befor a relevant tribunal and their representatives with Legislative guidelines and an offence of a male having unprotected sex would also need be Legislated where the male appeared at the same tribunal the only proof need by such tribunal being that of the termination…
PS, i would also look at the requirement for two doctors,consultants, whatever to be needed for the referral to the ‘clinic’, IF a woman has been with the same personal doctor for more than a couple of years then i would suggest that that Doctor knows all that is needed to be known…
I think your relationship with all the things you are talking about further above is sometimes pretty ugly. Like marty, I wouldn’t choose to talk about the deeper aspects of what humans are in this context. Your inclination to use the state to coerce me with regards to my body is scarey.
Righto weka, and your irresponsible attitude to the use of your body which involves the killing of another human being is sickening to me,
The State uses Legislation to coerce you to do or not do all sorts of things with your body and there are far more ”choices” available to all Men and Women befor the ”choice” of taking a life, no matter how viable you consider that life to be…
But I’m not irresponsible. Your insistence to label all women with an unwanted pregnancy as irresponsible and needing punishment is one of the disturbing things about your views on abortion.
Oh yes …i love that Queenie.too!..and I have heard that on British ships of old ….if they ran out of food the cabin boy would be first to go…ie get eaten…he was kept in reserve for just such an unfortunate situation
That cabin boy case is one of the episodes on Justice that ran on TVNZ7, and after much deliberation the remaining (satiated crewman) were found not guilty.
Not really my point, Chooky – let’s not dredge that stuff up. I just wanted to point out that within the sphere of traditional Maoritanga and tikanga, abortion wasn’t some alien tapu concept. They were probably more practical about it – the news reports of what they found in Tuam, Ireland show what happen when you pretend there isn’t a genuine need.
Not sure about how supporting the spirit of the Treaty, the advancement of Te Reo, the rights of non-Iwi affiliated urban Maori, wanting something done to tackle the horrific wealth disparity that has such disastrous consequences for the health and well-being of Maori and Pasifika and so forth suddenly becomes bigotry just because one occasionally questions ethno-nationalist bullshit that has direct implications for the country one is a born citizen oft.
But hey, pokokohua sweetie.
i chose not to go near it Marty, same with Chooky’s little chirrup, really fucking ”plastic”, pretty tapu for now,
Exposed to the light of day tho, such comments might become noa, so i will have a look later when the heat,obviously intended, in them is no longer of concern…
Indeed, such was the market in Roman times for the abortificant Sylphium that it became extinct. We don’t even know what it was exactly, except that from descriptions and picture on coins, it was probably related to fennel. And of course we have RU-486 now – not so very different.
The recorded evidence for the practice of induced abortion in the 19th century Maori is evaluated–Gluckman LK.
Is a PDF if you care to Google and download it, from the abstract we learn:
“‘Abortcide as opposed to feticide in late pregnancy was very rare, Abortcide was not practiced for fear of retributive makutu”
Gluckman appears to use a very ”strange” form of English to say the least, depending which part of the country these people were conducting their anthropology i would suggest might have different conclusions drawn,(ie in some parts of the country the eating of human flesh occurred, in other parts human flesh was never eaten),
My grain of salt surrounding such anthropology is the same one as surrounds what history teachers in the same 1970’s were trying to teach us as Gospel,”Captain Cook discovered new Zealand”, and, look out if you dared wave an arm around encapsulating the other inmates of the classroom and ask ”where were these people while this discovery was occurring”…
Who exactly is ”they” Populuxe, pre-European Maori were not a ”they”, pre-European Maori were a series of independent tribal nations with various interconnections,
Someone then talking out of their Tiro would ascribe the act of abortion to this ”they” you speak of having no notion of the offensive nature of such remarks as some of this ”they” you speak of might well have practiced the act of invasive abortion and some would have ”boiled your head” at the very suggestion that they would dare touch that what was so Tapu,
Try digging deeper Populuxe and you will find the true nature of those you so conveniently consign to your ”they” and the differing attitudes ”they” had to that act of abortion…
Morrissey the girl who was hit by Benson Pope is a close friend of my daughter.
While corporal punishment in schools was on the way out Benson Popes discipline of this girl was over the top
Yes, that veneration only applies to the ones able to continue the killing. The ones that return basket cases, amputees and forgotten are the 40%. I have witnessed those sign up processes outside the likes of Home Depot- the shiny suited and well fed sargeant promising health care to the unemployed cannon fodder kids is a sight to behold.
An ‘Open Letter’ from Graham McCready to John Banks (sent 7 June 2014):
TO John Banks Copy the Rest of New Zealand
Dear John,
I can understand the situation you find yourself in having been in the same situation myself.
From this personal experience I can tell you that you are at serious risk of receiving a jail term of about 18-months.
His Honour has given you the opportunity to qualify for Home Detention.
The term is likely to be about six months.
He is NOT going to consider a discharge without conviction.
That is a delusional fantasy.
If David Jones QC continues to suggest the possibility my advice is to sack him and file a complaint with the Law Society on the basis of gross incompetence.
See my attached missive on the process.
If you get home detention your overseas travel will suffer minimal disruption.
Any jail term of one year or more and the Inter Islander Ferry may be about your limit.
How then do you ensure you stay out of jail?
Accept responsibility for your actions.
Immediately as part of acceptance resign from Parliament.
Do not dance on the head of a pin before the Probation Officer on the difference between “Found Guilty of an Indictable Criminal Offence” and “A Conviction being entered”.
On Monday YOU contact the Probation Service.
Do not let your clown of a lawyer do it or wait for a Probation Officer to phone you.
COOPERATE with them. BE VERY HUMBLE
Tell them you have royally screwed up and that you are unconditionally guilty.
Do a press conference and make an unreserved apology to the People of New Zealand for your conduct.
Back that up by a huge donation to low decile schools.
Do not say which ones or how much.
That will not get you off but it will be spiritually uplifting
Tell them you will not be appealing the verdict.
DO NOT ATTACK OTHER PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE CASE.
Assure the Probation Officer that you will comply with all instructions and conditions of Home Detention no matter how tedious. And they will be tedious.
Treat the Probation Officer with respect.
Do not make racial or serious remarks.
You may find your Probation Officer is a young female Criminology Grad less than half you age.
The Probation Service will need to approve your apartment for Home Detention.
From my experience it is probably not suitable.
The reason is that a Probation Officer or Security Guard cannot walk up to the front door 24-hours a day because of the building security.
Tomorrow rent a VERY MODEST house with walk up to the front door.
Talk to the Probation Service about this.
Finally welcome to the Human Race.
We are not bad people who will become good, just human beings who do good and bad things at various times of our lives.
This too will pass.
Wishing you all the health, happiness and success I enjoy for myself one day at a time.
Or better still Herr Banks do what i have done every time when faced with the same situation and simply say,”yeah i am as guilty as sin, remorse what the fuck are you on about,do your worst as far as the sentence goes, i have never been a beggar”…
Sage and kindly advice there Graham McCready. There’s nothing that shits a probie more than a lack of convincingly expressed remorse and the shifting of blame. Invariably it ends up in the probie’s court report and judges just hate it.
Now, Mr Banks……how do you take dead rat ? Hot, cold, with ketchup ?
Yeah, but despite being fully exposed as a vicious, immoral lying SOAB, ‘Dersh’ is the one who continues to roll in the money and power.
Meanwhile, courageous academics like Finkelstein have their whole career destroyed (with, of course, the Dershbag playing a leading role in that destruction).
Hindus are, on average, richer and more educated than Muslims. But oddly, the child mortality rate for Hindus is much higher. All observable factors say Hindus should fare better, but they don’t. Economists refer to this as the Muslim mortality puzzle.
In a new study, researchers believe that they may have found a solution to the puzzle. And, surprisingly, the solution lies in a single factor – open defecation.
Well done to The Standard – you made number 4 on the list (well specifically to Geoff for the posting and Mike the Savage One for the ‘because he is a Virgo reasoning).
‘Israel’s housing ministry has announced new plans for almost 1,500 new settlement housing units in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, described as a “fitting Zionist response” to the new Palestinian unity government, backed by the Islamic militant group Hamas’. Truly beyond chutzpah.
Between this and the use of attack jets on civilians in Ukraine, its amazing the very selective inattention displayed by the western power elite.
By the way, i note that a 6 man Ukranian Antanov surveillance plane was downed by eastern anti-Kiev forces today. It could turn into a proper civil war/proxy war over there soon.
Apparently the “very selective inattention displayed by the western power elite” doesn’t extend to that notorious propaganda organ of dissemination of the western power elite known as CNN:
Wow Draco! Sir Ken Robinson (lower down the link) nails the need for allowing and encouraging creativity in education. Imagine nailing Steven Joyce to the floor and making him watch Ken for 20minutes. Joyce is demanding training for a better workforce. University dedicated to courses to produce graduates in maths science engineering. Forget the Arts National Standards to narrow the curriculum. Etc. Just like the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Workers trained just for the workforce.
Home schooling done well or perhaps a revolution in schools to foster creativity, flexible thinking as well as competence in the 3 Rs. might work.
Joyce is demanding training for a better workforce. University dedicated to courses to produce graduates in maths science engineering.
You always get that from the right-wing which is truly amazing considering that they’re the ones that go on the loudest about everyone being different one size doesn’t fit all. Then, as soon as they in power, we get the Three RRRs and National Standards forcing everyone into the same mold.
a revolution in schools to foster creativity, flexible thinking as well as competence in the 3 Rs.
Which, I believe, was actually happening in NZ schools – until National got in power and stomped all over it with their ideology.
Yeah Joyce and more scientists and engineers, what does he need them for he’s got fuckin thousands of them coming out his arse telling him for thirty years the planet is heating up and this is what we should do, and he ignores them all. What tyhe fuck does he need more of them for?
What happened to Mike Smith’s “Communication Upgrade Needed” opinion post – there one minute and gone 20 minutes later…
The gist was that DC’s recent messaging has been very negative about life in NZ.
I watched as negative messaging sank the Left in 2011. Unless people are seriously struggling they like to think of themselves as doing well, or about to start doing well. Doing well, being fair on everyone, and helping those who need help.
[lprent: Looks like Mike did a premature release? He is the only person on the edit list. ]
A cunning plan, but before that I just want to say I support Kim Dotcom in his bid to become a citizen of New Zealand, and less a back down, more slow realisation perhaps, I don’t know, but I do regret being so dismissive and judgemental, and wish him well in his bid to stay in this lovely country.
The plan.
With Banks gone on Monday, why not have the government gone next sitting day? Especially if it could happen if the right people spoke to each other.
Dear Mr Flavell. for the good of your party and the good of your people, telephone Honi and tell him you want to join his alliance with the internet party and if he says yes, good idea, happy to be working with you again, ask him to telephone Russel and Metiria, because they are friends and will work with you together and get more out of labour post snap election which when united we will win.
Dear Mr Harawira, for the good of your people and for the good of us all, if Te Ururoa calls and ask if he can join your allainace with the internet party, says yes, good idea, happy to be working with you again, then telephone Russel and Metiria, because they are friends and will work with you together and get more out of labour post snap election, which when united we will win.
Dear Metiria and Russel, for the good of your party and for the good of us all, if Honi phones and says he has a plan to bring down the government and a way to work together to get more out of labour post snap election, which when united we will win, tell him you’re groovy with it and wish each other well for the election which now united, we will win.
After you’ve finished talking with Honi, phone David Cunliffe and tell him you’ve decided to go hard out for his voter base because you want to form a Green/IMP/Labour government after the snap vote next sitting day. Tell him to get his best people as high up as he can just so they survive the cull, and say we’ll give you a call a couple of days post election.
Dear David, If Russel and Metiria call and say they’re going to go all out to be the biggest party on the left in New Zealand, and they have the support of the new alliance to get things done, and that they will give you a call a couple of days after the next election, because united we will win, say Okay, I’ll wait for your call, then phone you’re closest allies, brace for the revolution, and get to work on getting the party list stacked with your best.
Is your middle name Rommel…or Guderian…or maybe Zhukov
edit – your strategy perfectly capitalises on use of the IMP positioning – the one risk being that the nation will be pissed off with IMP for orchestrating this – the upside being that IMP will demonstrate to the electorate that it is VFS (very fucking serious) and that it knows about assymetric action…
Oh no, I doubt my parents were so illuminated to have much knowledge of those names other than the first, so I’d much more likely, by class, been a Winston, Monty or Douglas as in Bader. I’m pleased to inform they were not swayed by the abundance of 1950’s 1960’s war films or swinging 60’s summer of love. Also pleased to inform that despite my Chelsea supporting dad’s like for football and Dirty Harry films, my middle name isn’t Clint, Bobby as in Moore or Chopper as in Harris, and my mum’s like for Michael Caine and the stones, it’s not Alfie or Keith either.
And just for fun, in an if I won lotto or a genie popped up when I rubbed my long empty until Tuesday coffee jar for comfort, I’d make MT prime minister with HH as deputy, with Norman and Cunliffe looking after the treasury.
Then my circuits flashed over and instead of a what if, it faded and I was left with an if only instead in a fuzzy afterglow of knowing united we will win.
The key (lol) is to destabilise the Key government in the House but keep it supported just enough to limp on the next 14 weeks to election day. You don’t wish to cause an electoral backlash by actually forcing a snap election so close to the General Election so you keep the Key government on life support over the next 3 months.
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Students with high and complex learning needs, as well as their teachers and parents, will benefit from a substantial increase to Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) funding, Associate Education Minister Martin announced today. “Nearly $160 million will go towards helping these students by lifting their base support over the next four ...
Funding for innovative projects to connect Kiwis with affordable, safe and wholesome food, reduce food waste, and help our food producers recover from COVID-19 has been announced today by Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. “COVID-19 has seen an increasing number of families facing unprecedented financial pressure. Foodbanks and community food service ...
Eight shovel-ready projects within Kāinga Ora large-scale developments, and the Unitec residential development in Auckland have been given the go-ahead, Minister for Housing Dr Megan Woods announced today. Megan Woods says these significant infrastructure upgrades will ensure that the provision of homes in Auckland can continue apace. “The funding announced ...
The Government is funding a new separated walking and cycleway path along Napier’s Chambers and Ellison streets to provide safer access for local students and residents across Marine Parade and State Highway 51, Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Police Minister Stuart Nash announced today. Funding of $2.7 million has been ...
More than 13,000 people have been employed so far thanks to the Coalition Government’s Provincial Growth Fund, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has today announced. The number of jobs created by Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) investments has outstripped the 10,000 jobs target that the Government and Provincial Development Unit ...
Scientists and innovative fishing operators from Stewart Island and Fiordland to Nelson, Marlborough and Wellington have been honoured in the first ever Seafood Sustainability Awards. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash has congratulated the winners of the inaugural Seafood Sustainability Awards held at Parliament. “The awards night honours six winners, from a wide ...
The Government is providing an investment totalling more than $100 million for regions to protect against and mitigate the effects of climate change, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones have announced. Six regions will receive funding from the $3 billion allocated to infrastructure projects from the ...
Three major local projects at Te Kuiti and Otorohanga have been given the money to get moving after the impact of Covid 19, says the Minister of Māori Development Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The projects range from a Sports Centre for Te Kuiti, a redevelopment of the Otorohanga Kiwi House and ...
The Coalition Government has extended three New Zealand Defence Force deployments to the Middle East and Africa by two years, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “These deployments promote peace in the Middle East and Africa by protecting civilians and countering the spread of ...
The release of the National Climate Change Risk Assessment shows that the progress this Government has made to solve the climate crisis is essential to creating cleaner and safer communities across New Zealand. “Because of this report, we can see clearer than ever that the action our Government is taking ...
The second round of the Community Resilience Fund is now open for applications for sport and recreation organisations experiencing financial hardship between 1 July and 30 September 2020. “The fund opens today for five weeks – closing on September 6. The amount awarded will be decided on a case-by-case basis ...
Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage today declared Rakitū Island, off the coast of Aotea/Great Barrier Island, predator free. “I’m delighted to announce that with rats now gone, Rakitū is officially predator free. This is a major milestone because Rakitū is the last DOC administered island in the Hauraki Gulf Marine ...
The Provincial Growth Fund is investing $8.75 million to restore significant historic sites at Ōhaeawai in the Far North, upgrade marae and fund fencing and riparian planting. Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones made the announcements following a service at the historic St Michael’s Anglican Church at Ōhaeawai today. Just ...
The Chatham Islands will receive close to $40 million for projects that will improve its infrastructure, add to its attraction as a visitor destination, and create jobs through a planned aquaculture venture, Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones has announced. “The COVID-19 pandemic has had a devastating impact on the islands, first ...
The Government is delivering more initiatives to reduce energy hardship and to give small electricity consumers a voice, Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods said today. “In addition to the initiatives we have already delivered to support New Zealand families, we are responding to the Electricity Price Review with further ...
Government, iwi, NGOs and rehabilitation groups are working together to turn around the fortunes of the nationally endangered hoiho/yellow-eyed penguin following a series of terrible breeding seasons. The Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage helped launch the Five Year Action Plan at the annual Yellow-Eyed Penguin symposium in Dunedin today. “I ...
The membership of the Tourism Futures Taskforce has now been confirmed, Tourism Minister Kelvin Davis announced at an event at Whakarewarewa in Rotorua today. “The main purpose of the independent Tourism Futures Taskforce is to lead the thinking on the future of tourism in New Zealand,” Kelvin Davis said. Joining ...
More than $300 million in funding has been approved to protect strategic tourism businesses, drive domestic tourism through regional events and lift digital capability in the tourism industry, Tourism Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. A $400 million Tourism Recovery Package was announced at Budget 2020, and with today’s announcements is ...
From 2021 permits will be required for New Zealanders wanting to export hard-to-recycle plastic waste. The Associate Minister for the Environment, Eugenie Sage, today announced the requirements as part of New Zealand’s commitments to the Basel Convention, an international agreement of more than 180 countries which was amended in May ...
The building and construction sector is still showing strong growth, with the number of new dwellings consented up more than 8 per cent compared to last year, reflecting a welcome confidence in the Government’s COVID-19 response package, Minister for Building and Construction Jenny Salesa says. “While it is still too ...
Government investment of $23 million for Bay of Plenty flood protection will allow local communities to address long-standing flood risks and provide jobs, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced in Rotorua today. These projects are being funded by the Infrastructure Reference Group’s (IRG) shovel ...
How does a 4 percent unemployment figure gel with estimates that soon there will be whole neighbourhoods of people in South Auckland without work? A shock drop in official unemployment numbers caps off the "weirdest quarter" in New Zealand's economic history. "Beware" and "unbelievable" were the first words Kiwibank's chief economist Jarrod ...
Internal Revenue officials are moving ahead with plans to consult on and, eventually, adopt recommendations from the Tax Working Group on environmental taxes. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Scott Morrison will unveil on Thursday a cyber security package to give greater protection to critical Australian infrastructure and bolster the powers of the Australian Federal Police to pursue criminal networks on the dark web. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra A rumour that Victoria’s high profile chief health officer Brett Sutton was quitting caused a flurry in state government circles on Wednesday afternoon. Sutton has been one of the medical hardliners during the pandemic, at ...
Parliament has just passed a new law that will leave renters with a sense of relief. But many landlords aren’t too pleased. What’s all this then?The Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill passed under urgency this evening. It amends existing law around renting to increase rights for tenants. According to associate housing minister ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kate Noble, Education Policy Fellow, Mitchell Institute, Victoria University From tomorrow (Thursday, August 6) only children of permitted workers will be able to attend childcare in Melbourne, which is under stage 4 restrictions. Parents and providers have been waiting to understand what ...
Gone By Lunchtime’s Toby Manhire, Annabelle Lee-Mather and Ben Thomas denounce new poll results that very slightly contradict their opinions.The height of the summit for the National Party? A poll came out last week with Labour at 53%, and that was considered good news for Judith Collins and the Strong ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Melatos, Associate Professor of Economics, University of Sydney Virgin Australia’s plan to sack about 3,000 of its 9,000 staff, axe its budget brand Tigerair, streamline its fleet to only Boeing 737s and suspend long-haul international flying indefinitely should come as no ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Benjamin Reilly, Professor, University of Western Australia In international affairs, words are bullets, according to an old diplomatic saying. If so, Australia in recent years has begun firing new ammunition. In his address to the Aspen Security Forum today, Prime Minister Scott ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Aisling Rayne, PhD candidate, University of Canterbury Whakapapa [genealogy] binds tākata whenua [people of the land] to the mountains, rivers, coasts and other landscapes, linking the health of the people with that of the environment. Like humans, species have whakapapa that ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gabriel da Silva, Senior Lecturer in Chemical Engineering, University of Melbourne The Lebanese capital Beirut was rocked on Tuesday evening local time by an explosion that has killed at least 78 people and injured thousands more. The country’s prime minister Hassan Diab ...
The MacDiarmid Institute DiscoveryCamp gives Māori and Pasefika high school students a taste of life as a scientist. Teuila Fuatai finds the experience often leads to much more. Eden Skipper loves eeling. “It is a family tradition,” he says proudly. The 22-year-old of Ngāi Tahu descent grew up on the east ...
Te Tari Taiwhenua, Department of Internal Affairs, has announced Allot Limited as the new service provider for the Digital Child Exploitation Filter (DCEF) from 1 August 2020. The filter operates as a service provided to most New Zealand Internet ...
In the wake of National’s leadership woes, The Spinoff sat down with the party’s most popular face in recent history to talk Covid-19, Judith Collins – and why he thinks our border should be more ‘flexible’.John Key is confident about our country’s future.In part, that’s because he tunes in each ...
The new National Policy Statement and National Environmental Standard for Freshwater, gazetted by the Government today, is a significant step forward in reducing pollution in our rural and urban waterways caused by intensive farming and through regional ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David McCooey, Professor of Writing and Literature, Deakin University In our series Art for Trying Times, authors nominate a work they turn to for solace or perspective during this pandemic. One day in 1984, a friend and I went to have lunch ...
Data released by Stats NZ today shows the impact of Covid-19 on New Zealand jobs during the June quarter was disproportionately felt by women. Mary Jo Vergara from KiwiEconomics breaks down what it all means.Women have historically fared well in times of war and crisis. During the Second World War, ...
The Sir Julius Vogel Awards last Thursday were meant to be a celebration of some of our best genre writers. It didn’t turn out that way, as Casey Lucas, one of the winners, explains. This is the story of how the nominees and recipients of the 2020 Sir Julius Vogel ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Craig Jeffrey, Director and CEO of the Australia India Institute; Professor of Development Geography, University of Melbourne In recent days, the Indian government approved a new education policy — the first for 34 years. The policy comes after an expert group produced ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julian Elliott, Executive Director, National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce, and Associate Professor, School of Public Health and Preventive Medicine, Monash University With cases of COVID-19 on the rise, many Australians are asking: what happens if I test positive? With no known cure ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Professor Marcia Langton, Foundation Chair in Australian Indigenous Studies, University of Melbourne This is an edited transcript of the 2020 Thea Astley Address delivered by Marcia Langton at the Byron Writers Festival. It’s a longer read at 4,500 words. You can listen ...
As Auckland business leaders and the city’s economic development agency hold a day-long summit to thrash out a Covid-19 economic recovery plan, Finance Minister Grant Robertson is singing from a different song- book. He reckons NZ’s economy is doing well and “ … as we look ahead, there are ...
The National Party says it would create a new Auckland Transport-like authority and green-light a second Terrace tunnel National Party leader Judith Collins has announced National would give greater government funding for the Wellington region's existing transport plan and for a new agency to end the region's transport bickering. Collins made ...
Latest from the Beehive – The public debt is among the victims of the Covid-19 epidemic. According to the 2020 Budget Economic and Fiscal Update, in the current year and the next two fiscal years, operating deficits (operating balance before gains and losses) average around $28 billion while net core ...
The latest round of economic data won’t carry Judith Collins and the National Party into the promised land, and she’ll need to come up with something else to save her chances, writes political commentator Ben Thomas.The government has delivered an economic miracle! How else to describe today’s labour market statistics ...
Source: Council on Hemispheric Affairs – Analysis-Reportage John PerryFrom Masaya, Nicaragua An extraordinary leaked document gives a glimpse of the breadth and complexity of the US government’s plan to interfere in Nicaragua’s internal affairs up to and after its presidential election in 2021. The plan,[1] a 14-page extract from a ...
The Cook Islands language video.Pacific Media Centre Newsdesk The Cook Islands episode in AUT’s Pacific language video series – “Adapting to a changing world, shaping resilient futures” – is out now. The video is narrated in Cook Islands Māori (with English subtitles) to acknowledge the language being celebrated in ...
Community Law Centres welcome the additional Government funding announced to help address increased demand for free legal services due to COVID-19. Minister of Justice Andrew Little today announced an additional $3.47m over three years for Community ...
New Zealand’s unemployment rate has just fallen, defying experts and flying in the face of everything we expected. But according to Stats NZ, the devil is in the detail.What’s all this then?In a bizarre turn of events, New Zealand’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate has actually fallen from 4.2% to 4% ...
The outgoing immigration minister, Iain Lees-Galloway, has told MPs income criteria imposed on residents who want their parents to join them are "far too high". ...
Auckland Action Against Poverty is calling on the Government to increase abatement thresholds and lift benefits to liveable levels to support people affected by the growth of unemployment due to COVID-19. “Unemployment numbers do not tell us whether ...
A national survey of public drinking fountains around Aotearoa, recently undertaken by RefillNZ , has shown that, on average, there is only one drinking fountain for every 3,303 people and as few as one fountain for every 17,000 people in the worst-affected ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andreas Ortmann, Professor, UNSW Sweden has become something of a cautionary tale for what happens when you attempt to tackle coronavirus without lockdowns. In The Conversation last week The Grattan Institute’s Stephen Duckett and Will Mackey said its freer approach caused almost ...
In the June 2020 quarter, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate fell to 4.0 percent, down from 4.2 percent last quarter, while underutilisation rose, Stats NZ said today. ...
A conference on Auckland and the Covid-19 crisis hears calls for flexibility from the Government, including a loan to fund big projects and allowing foreign students into university quarantine Former Prime Minister John Key is urging the Government to throw out the rulebook and give Auckland Council a big, interest-free ...
Pacific Media Centre Newsdesk The safe reopening of entry points into six Pacific Islands countries amid the covid-19 pandemic is being discussed at a meeting in Fiji this week. The virtual roundtable is being convened by the United Nations and the Asian Development Bank with representatives from Solomon Islands, Kiribati, ...
The New Zealand Taxpayers' Union is welcoming confirmation from the National Party that income tax bracket indexation remains party policy. However, suggestions that the National Party has no plans to cut income taxes will come as a major disappointment ...
The Executive Director of the New Zealand Maori Council, Matthew Tukaki, has said unemployment in New Zealand will rise significantly over the next quarter and the figures out today are just the tip of a very fast-moving iceberg. Tukaki has said ...
Aggrieved members of the Firearms Community - from all over Canterbury and beyond - will once again take to the streets of Ashburton in good numbers this Saturday, 8th August. They continue to protest against the government’s Firearms Law Firearms ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Susan Hazel, Senior Lecturer, School of Animal and Veterinary Science, University of Adelaide What does a pandemic smell like? If dogs could talk, they might be able to tell us. We’re part of an international research team, led by Dominique Grandjean at ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Smith, Senior Lecturer in American Politics and Foreign Policy, US Studies Centre, University of Sydney Americans were alarmed last week when their president suggested on Twitter that the November 3 presidential election should be delayed because mail-in ballots would be fraudulent. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Judy Mullan, Associate Professor, School of Medicine, University of Wollongong According to 2016 Census data, 3.5% of Australians have limited English proficiency. When they’re receiving health care, it’s essential these Australians have access to interpreters. Research has shown professional interpreters facilitate effective ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Aliza Werner-Seidler, Senior Research Fellow in Mental Health & Clinical Psychologist, UNSW Access to mental health support has never been more important, as Melburnians are hit with a stage 4 lockdown and much of the rest of Australia braces for a potential ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Osman, Scientist, Energy Efficiency & Renewables, CSIRO Yesterday, Australia’s eastern states felt a vicious cold snap, and these wintry blasts make hunkering down in isolation at home a little easier. But as the temperature rises at home, so does our carbon ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alan Brent, Professor and Chair in Sustainable Energy Systems, Te Herenga Waka — Victoria University of Wellington CC BY-NDClimate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Prestridge, Senior Lecturer, Griffith University In early July, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced government school students in prep to Year 10 — in Metropolitan Melbourne and the Mitchell Shire —would learn from home for term three. Students in Years 11 and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Georgia Cervin, Honorary Research Fellow, University of Western Australia The new Netflix documentary Athlete A details how Larry Nassar, the US women’s gymnastics team doctor, was brought to justice after sexually abusing hundreds of gymnasts. Since its release, gymnasts around the world ...
Welcome to Election Live for August 5, bringing you the latest on election 2020 and other breaking news. For key dates in the election season click here. For all you need to know about the cannabis referendum click here. For the assisted dying referendum click here. Get in touch at ...
The Social Services and Community Committee is calling for public submissions on the Oranga Tamariki (Youth Justice Demerit Points) Amendment Bill, which was referred to the committee on 21 July 2020. This Member’s Bill would introduce a youth demerit ...
Ryman Healthcare's plans in Australia's Covid-19 hit state of Victoria prompt a note of caution, plus the Super Fund buys New Zealand's major lab testing company ...
Good morning and welcome to The Bulletin. In today’s edition: IPCA and police at odds over decision not to charge officer, Canterbury DHB in crisis, and Shane Jones job creation claims disputed.The Independent Police Conduct Authority has issued a call for charges for an officer who used excessive force in ...
Covid-19 has underscored that the Government cannot address issues of magnitude alone. Dawn Freshwater looks at where universities fit into our country's recovery. University researchers have shown remarkable agility in their response to the Covid-19 pandemic. They have conducted research in new fields, collaborated across traditional disciplinary boundaries and joined forces ...
Fonterra’s proposed wastewater plant near Cambridge has drawn opposition from locals who say it should take place on industrial-zoned land, not in the middle of farms, lifestyle blocks and retirement homes Residents in a rural area of Cambridge are unhappy about Fonterra’s proposal to put a wastewater treatment plant on ...
Our first world weightlifting gold medallist, Kanah Andrews-Nahu, has struggled coming out of lockdown. But it’s helped her realise that to be great, she must be committed. Not only in sport, but a medical career too. This year’s North and South Island Olympic weightlifting championships were, understandably, like no other. Instead ...
It's time to end to the manipulation of newsfeeds, demand fact-checking and smash our echo chambers, writes Gehan Gunasekara Data privacy has now become a mainstream election issue on par with the likes of health or education. People care deeply how their personal information is managed. This is evidenced by the ...
The market failure imposed by the use of Tiwai Point as an aluminium smelter does not mean that there are no other good options. Nicola Gaston gives explores five of them. So it’s happened. Rio Tinto has announced it is pulling the plug on the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter, due to crashing prices ...
An essay by Ruby Solly about whakapapa, resistance, and the markers of history that often go unseen In my dark hair, there is a red fleck. Like Tiger's Eye stone, you see it run when the light hits it. The red fleck of totoweka, the blood in the stone. My ...
The first episode of our new podcast series tackles equality and equity and the role of our education system as a solution. Subscribe now to Conversations that Count – Ngā Kōrero Whai Take, for essential insight into the future of Aotearoa. The idea that all New Zealanders should have access to ...
When does advance voting open, when do the results get announced, and when are the TV debates? The essential election calendar.To read our bumper Q&A on the cannabis legalisation referendum see here, on the assisted dying referendum, see here. For all The Spinoff’s Election 2020 coverage go here.This post will ...
Alongside the general election of 2020, New Zealanders will be asked to vote on the Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill, which legalises restricted access to cannabis. Here’s our bumper question-and-answer special on what it involves.Click here for everything you need to know about the assisted dying referendum. Read more from the ...
Here’s what we have planned for the weeks to come.A month from today, on Saturday September 5, voting begins in the general election of 2020. Election day itself isn’t for another fortnight, on September 19, but if the trends of recent times is a guide, more than half of all ...
Alongside the general election of 2020, New Zealanders will be asked to vote on the End of Life Choice bill, which allows voluntary euthanasia for those suffering terminal illnesses. Here’s our bumper question-and-answer special on what it involves.Click here for everything you need to know about the cannabis referendum. Read ...
After China's succession of food scares, and post-Covid wariness, consumer demands there are changing. New Zealand can take advantage of that, or be left behind Covid-19 has heightened Chinese consumer concerns about food safety, and industry players are warning New Zealand businesses to keep up. Today The Detail looks ...
Our banks are charging retailers hundreds of millions of dollars every year, for electronic payments. While credit card companies cut some fees this week, small Kiwi retailers are still paying too much. ...
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After I noticed that my name had been taken yet again in vain by my friendly antagonist Tom Hunter over at No Minister, I went over to see what the fuss was about. Nothing much, but then I discovered a post about the Operation Burnham Inquiry by Psycho Milt. I ...13 hours ago
The COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020 was extended today, until December 1st or the tenth sitting day following the resumption of Parliament after the election. It seems like a necessary extension. While we currently have eradicated the virus in New Zealand, it is still banging at the door, and ...13 hours ago
Judy Kavanagh I’m OK with wearing a CovidCard. But are you? There’s no point me doing it alone.
As many good things come in threes (as the saying goes), we are happy to announce a third partnership between Skeptical Science and other websites. Fakebook.eco in Brazil is joining Klimafakten.de in Germany and Nauka o Klimacie in Poland to leverage translated rebuttal material and to make the information readily available in other ...2 days ago
This interview on RNZ with Ross Tucker, the scientist who headed a review of transgender athletes playing in women’s rugby, discusses the findings of the review and what it means for women in sports. The review that World Rugby undertook had a broad range of independent experts and included a ...2 days ago
Let's Do This Again: What else can Jacinda do in a political environment so bereft of imagination and courage but seek a continuance? If she trades upon the extraordinary personal qualities that she has, miraculously, carried with her into the office of Prime Minister, then I, for one, will offer ...2 days ago
New Zealand First is facing a difficult struggle to get re-elected, but Josh Van Veen, who was once a researcher for Winston Peters, argues that there is still a very significant section of cultural conservatives who oppose mass immigration and political correctness and might yet be won back over to ...2 days ago
As polling day in the American presidential election draws closer, things are looking bad for Donald Trump. The polls show that he is tracking well behind his Democrat rival. Most people assume that the President will be striving might and main to avoid what looks increasingly likely to be a ...3 days ago
Our health professionals do an amazing job. Image credit: Wikipedia – Cardiac surgery. Finally, I have got back to these rankings. A long period in hospital and computer problems meant the June 2020 rankings were abandoned. Now, with a new personal defibrillator implanted in my chest and a new hard ...4 days ago
Former National Minister - Wayne MappYou could tell that the Hit and Run book by investigative journalists Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson was right on the money by the way former National Party Minister of Defence, Wayne Mapp, reacted to its now largely vindicated claims.Even though the recent inquiry into ...5 days ago
We are failing to think though the interdependencies in an economy. We miss economist Bryan Philpott (1921-2000). I miss him personally – we used to have such great discussions – but this column is about how the nation misses his economic experience and wisdom. We tend to ...5 days ago
SATURDAY AUGUST 1Artefact (Prime, 7.30pm). The series presented by Dame Anne Salmond screened on Māori Television, but is totally worth revisiting if you saw it the first time. Dame Anne tells the stories of taonga that highlight the history of Aotearoa. Further reading: this 2013 interview with Dame Anne by the lovely ...7 days ago
Most of the claims made by anti-fluoride propagandists are simply wrong. Image source: Fluoridation and the ‘sciency’ facts of critics Anti-fluoride propagandists continually cite studies from areas of endemic fluorosis in their arguments against ... 1 week ago
. . For the mainstream media, today (22 July) was even a better day than yesterday. More Sex. More Politics. More Sex AND Politics. Yesterday, the msm dealt with Andrew Falloon. The obscure backbench MP had been found to have sent pornographic images to at least four women. The woman’s ...1 week ago
There’s ultimately two key narratives overall that are seeking to take front row in order to reshape the world as a whole going forward from the COVID pandemic. The first is a very desperate attempt to reimpose “a return” to what is perceived as “the old normal”, quite impossible. ...2 weeks ago
The Green Party is celebrating the passing of the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill, calling it a win for people who rent. ...9 hours ago
We went hard and we went early in our health response to COVID-19, and we did everything we could to cushion the economic impact too. In fact, we can fill every letter of the alphabet with the steps we took to fight COVID-19 and ensure we were in a position ...2 days ago
New Zealand needs to be more aggressive in pursuing economic opportunities and resist the short-term thinking affecting some of its major industry, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters says. Mr Peters told Wellington Chamber of Commerce members this morning that the planned closure of the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter will have ...2 weeks ago
Landmark legislation passed today puts New Zealand on track to saving thousands of lives and having a smokefree generation sooner rather than later, Associate Health Minister, Jenny Salesa says. The Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products (Vaping) Amendment Bill regulates vaping products and heated tobacco devices. “There has long been concern ...6 hours ago
The truth about the unemployment statistics, plus a fishing firm closes a Tauranga plant costing 65 jobs ...13 mins ago
How does a 4 percent unemployment figure gel with estimates that soon there will be whole neighbourhoods of people in South Auckland without work? A shock drop in official unemployment numbers caps off the "weirdest quarter" in New Zealand's economic history. "Beware" and "unbelievable" were the first words Kiwibank's chief economist Jarrod ...13 mins ago
Internal Revenue officials are moving ahead with plans to consult on and, eventually, adopt recommendations from the Tax Working Group on environmental taxes. ...13 mins ago
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Scott Morrison will unveil on Thursday a cyber security package to give greater protection to critical Australian infrastructure and bolster the powers of the Australian Federal Police to pursue criminal networks on the dark web. ...4 hours ago
A bill that increases security and stability for tenants has passed its final reading in Parliament. ...7 hours ago
Parliament has just passed a new law that will leave renters with a sense of relief. But many landlords aren’t too pleased. What’s all this then?The Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill passed under urgency this evening. It amends existing law around renting to increase rights for tenants. According to associate housing minister ...9 hours ago
Te Tari Taiwhenua, Department of Internal Affairs, has announced Allot Limited as the new service provider for the Digital Child Exploitation Filter (DCEF) from 1 August 2020. The filter operates as a service provided to most New Zealand Internet ...13 hours ago
New Zealand First and the Greens are facing the reality of the 'support partner' curse ...14 hours ago
As Auckland business leaders and the city’s economic development agency hold a day-long summit to thrash out a Covid-19 economic recovery plan, Finance Minister Grant Robertson is singing from a different song- book. He reckons NZ’s economy is doing well and “ … as we look ahead, there are ...15 hours ago
The National Party says it would create a new Auckland Transport-like authority and green-light a second Terrace tunnel National Party leader Judith Collins has announced National would give greater government funding for the Wellington region's existing transport plan and for a new agency to end the region's transport bickering. Collins made ...15 hours ago
Latest from the Beehive – The public debt is among the victims of the Covid-19 epidemic. According to the 2020 Budget Economic and Fiscal Update, in the current year and the next two fiscal years, operating deficits (operating balance before gains and losses) average around $28 billion while net core ...15 hours ago
A conference on Auckland and the Covid-19 crisis hears calls for flexibility from the Government, including a loan to fund big projects and allowing foreign students into university quarantine Former Prime Minister John Key is urging the Government to throw out the rulebook and give Auckland Council a big, interest-free ...18 hours ago
Ryman Healthcare's plans in Australia's Covid-19 hit state of Victoria prompt a note of caution, plus the Super Fund buys New Zealand's major lab testing company ...22 hours ago
The Government is claiming that National will have to drastically cut public services to meet its strict debt reduction target. Is that accurate? ...24 hours ago
Covid-19 has underscored that the Government cannot address issues of magnitude alone. Dawn Freshwater looks at where universities fit into our country's recovery. University researchers have shown remarkable agility in their response to the Covid-19 pandemic. They have conducted research in new fields, collaborated across traditional disciplinary boundaries and joined forces ...24 hours ago
Fonterra’s proposed wastewater plant near Cambridge has drawn opposition from locals who say it should take place on industrial-zoned land, not in the middle of farms, lifestyle blocks and retirement homes Residents in a rural area of Cambridge are unhappy about Fonterra’s proposal to put a wastewater treatment plant on ...24 hours ago
Our first world weightlifting gold medallist, Kanah Andrews-Nahu, has struggled coming out of lockdown. But it’s helped her realise that to be great, she must be committed. Not only in sport, but a medical career too. This year’s North and South Island Olympic weightlifting championships were, understandably, like no other. Instead ...24 hours ago
It's time to end to the manipulation of newsfeeds, demand fact-checking and smash our echo chambers, writes Gehan Gunasekara Data privacy has now become a mainstream election issue on par with the likes of health or education. People care deeply how their personal information is managed. This is evidenced by the ...24 hours ago
The market failure imposed by the use of Tiwai Point as an aluminium smelter does not mean that there are no other good options. Nicola Gaston gives explores five of them. So it’s happened. Rio Tinto has announced it is pulling the plug on the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter, due to crashing prices ...24 hours ago
An essay by Ruby Solly about whakapapa, resistance, and the markers of history that often go unseen In my dark hair, there is a red fleck. Like Tiger's Eye stone, you see it run when the light hits it. The red fleck of totoweka, the blood in the stone. My ...24 hours ago
After China's succession of food scares, and post-Covid wariness, consumer demands there are changing. New Zealand can take advantage of that, or be left behind Covid-19 has heightened Chinese consumer concerns about food safety, and industry players are warning New Zealand businesses to keep up. Today The Detail looks ...1 day ago
Our banks are charging retailers hundreds of millions of dollars every year, for electronic payments. While credit card companies cut some fees this week, small Kiwi retailers are still paying too much. ...1 day ago
Are people in politics interested in giving women what they need to live their lives fully? ...1 day ago
here we go..!
http://whoar.co.nz/2014/ed-corporate-media-trout-colin-espiner-comes-out-pimping-for-banks-to-get-ahis-discharge-without-conviction/
..we’ll be getting quite a bit of this ‘he’s been punished enough!’-bullshit between now and the sentencing..
..one of the espiners is first cab off the rank…..
..the campaign for a discharge-without-conviction for banks is underway..
And the answer to that is that he hasn’t been punished enough – because he hasn’t yet been punished for being a corrupt arsehole.
The right wing propagandists are certainly going to town with their ‘Banks is an honourable man’ rubbish! Apparently he might even appeal the decision, implying that he’s somehow not really guilty until this happens. Of course that would be a complete waste of court time and public money because there are no grounds to appeal.
The evidence succinctly shows that he’s guilty, which begs the question; why exactly did the Police fail to press charges in the first place?
With the now disgraced Maurice Williamson going on about National MP’s contacting the Police during ongoing investigations not being out of the ordinary, perhaps those are two dots that should be joined together in this false declaration case? The Police’s reasoning for not pursuing the matter at the time was clearly flawed and the Government pressuring them to not press charges is a plausible explanation for such failure. With National’s track record and a strong motive to stay in power, what other explanation is there?
The Police’s choice to not lay charges has now been categorically proven to be unjustified by the judge’s decision and summary.
In my opinion, that guilty verdict should mean Banks is already out the door. We certainly don’t need anymore representation of conmen within parliament and there certainly doesn’t need to be all the hoopla that’s going on. By remaining in power he’s essentially ripping us taxpayers off while giving us the finger. In fact the Act party is treating this as an opportunity to gain media attention, which is clearly not warranted considering their 0.5% polling.
There is no question that the Act party is dead in the water and the sooner they, National and the media realise it the better. Then we can get on with some real coverage of more important issues instead of a sideshow with a bunch of Nactoid clowns that wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them in the arse!
53,000 people now use New York City’s homeless shelters every night
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-07/explaining-nycs-record-homelessness-one-disastrous-chart
Seems like homelessness is a problem in China too….
“China’s government added concrete spikes underneath China’s city bridges in an effort to stop homeless people from sleeping there. The sharp 20-cm high spikes in Guangzhou have surfaced online, angering citizens who accuse the government of trying to “hide” the homelessness problem.
The area’s Bureau of City Management, Bureau of Transportation, and Bureau of Construction have all denied responsibility for the work.
According to recent statistics, 200 million of China’s 1.4 billion population are homeless.”…
http://elitedaily.com/news/world/china-puts-concrete-spikes-stop-homeless-sleeping-bridges/
Well, for the Beijing Olympics the authorities rounded up and bussed all the beggars and homeless people 500km out of town, knowing that by the time they made it back into Beijing the Olympics (and the journolists) would be gone.
same happened at the Sydney olympics
yeah. i remember a stat not long ago claiming 200,000 homeless people sleep on the streets of america every night – 40 % of which are war vets. and there’s obama dishing out the money to israel for the murder and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. is it any wonder people like banksie fiddle the books now and then. well, that might be Boag’s reasoning – if she were honest.
I noticed her skulking around in the back of the crowd, like some frustrated vampire.
I really don’t understand why war veterans are so venerated in the US. Especially since the cynical military-industrial complex deliberately hires from the lower classes, often from the southern states. Then everyone’s surprised when they get shit out the other end with no support?
There are many reasons, but a major one is the average American’s perception of what those veterans are doing during their overseas service e.g. protecting American freedoms, values and way of life from terrorists who hate them for no understandable or valid reason.
It’s part of the myth of the Glory of War that’s been perpetrated for centuries seemingly finding its ultimate expression in US consciousness.
They only pretend to venerate them, and it’s all to do with making volunteering attractive. Young men commonly think of themselves as invincible, and never think they might be the one who comes home with PTSD instead of legs. So they keep volunteering. Personally, I favour a draft. When Obama’s and Key’s kids go in the front line as well, we’ll see a lot less enthusiasm for war.
(..’ew!’..just..’ew!’..)
“..What’s Really in Hot Dogs? – Watch This Video to Find Out..
“..Want to know what’s actually in a hot dog?
Surprisingly – the answer is not ‘hooves – lips – and skunk anus’.
Well – not JUST hooves – lips – and skunk anus..”
(cont..)
http://www.alternet.org/food/whats-really-hot-dogs-watch-video-find-out
..didya go to the footy last nite..?
..didya have a hot dog..?..
Watching a recording of yesterdays Nation programme and my god… A bag of Flour for Paul Goldsmith. Joyce was asinine as usual, a lot of hot air for nothing, but air pollution. And Coddington still as mad as a meat axe. And no Gower!
Greens abortion policy….staunch move!
Lynn – more fun with numbered lists.
They don’t render on the mobile version of the site.
Arrghh. That will be CSS. Later this evening. Still at the list conference.
The list conference? 😀
liszt?
Yes this Franz Liszt -Liebestraum
I’m surprised numbered lists are important enough to have their own conference.
For anyone interested, here is a link to the YouTube recording of the Internet Party candidate selection meeting yesterday – all 4 hours plus of it.
http://t.co/ah3cP7OSwF
The first part covers the individual presentations by each of the 22 shortlisted candidates where they were given one minute to say why they wanted to be part of the IP and then two minutes to talk about an IP policy issue of their choice. These presentations take about two thirds of the video.
The last third covers the process where all the potential candidates were on stage and each had been given a soft topic to argue in favour of for one minute, followed by two minutes of answering questions from the floor, the Executive panel or other candidates. Questions were pretty insipid – eg why the All Blacks’ colour should be changed to yellow; why the NZ capital should be moved to Gore; Christchurch should be rebuilt in Leggo, etc.
During the first part, IP members were able to rate each person from 1 to5 (5 being the high) using an app, whether they were at the meeting or watching the live stream. During the second stage, members were asked to rate their favourite candidate and could change this as the process continued. The ratings were screened behind the candidates in real time.
The potential candidates are a real mix. About one third are women; most candidates are in their 20s or 30s, but also some older with one 60; good mix in terms of ethnicity (pakeha, maori, pasifica, asian, one Iranian NZer); wide range of work backgrounds etc.
Apparently there are further steps in the selection process today – eg individual interviews with the Panel (made up of KDC, Laila Harre, Vikram Kumar and one other man whose name I did not pick up).
I have not watched the whole thing (4 hours is way past my interest/endurance) but it will be interesting to see who makes it through to the final 15.
Thanks for the link and overview, that’s all pretty interesting. Will try and get a look at da vid. Pity they didn’t put it up in sections.
Glad you saw my comment, weka, because it was essentially in reply to your comment on yesterday’s OM asking about it. It is a pity they did not put it up in sections, but it is quite easy to fast forward and just see bits.
Why womens emancipation from the patriarchial fascist power and control over their fertility is crucial to saving the Planet !
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2013/01/catholic-church-out-of-step-with-21st-century-human-overpopulation-human-misery-2441660.html
“Women & Sustainability: Why They Need Each Other in a Post-MDG World”
Women’s health and the planet’s health are inextricably intertwined. For too long we’ve pretended otherwise, but that is changing rapidly. In fact, there’s a powerful ripple effect that emerges from women’s empowerment. Women are healthier. Children are healthier. Death and disease go way down. All as a result of simple investments in basic technologies like condoms, the pill, and prenatal healthcare.
Investment in reproductive health also brings about noteworthy dividends for our planet’s ability to sustain us all. When we empower individuals and families with the information and services they need to decide on all aspects related to reproduction and sexuality, we create more sustainable and just communities. Give women choices about their children, and they make smart choices about their environment, too….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carmen-barroso/women-millennium-development-goals_b_3279684.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_the_environment
Sure Chooky, i forgot to include this one on my little list of reasons put forward by the pro lobby as to why there should be open slather abortion,
Dunno if i should include it above or below Disraeli’s later denied fervently ”casual unprotected sex abounds, abortion is an efficient means of cleaning up any unwanted consequences”,
Funny tho aint it Chooky, in the past 30-40 years the Planets population has leapt ahead in great bounds as far as numbers go despite plenty of countries having adopted similar abortion laws to ours which have seen the number of abortions spiral,
Given that, does ”the plan” propose to inflict such Laws on those countries that do not have them, and as the population is unlikely to be seriously dented numbers wise by having such Laws do you think we should disregard the ‘choice’ bit…
Don’t use quotation marks when you’re not quoting someone. It’s very dishonest of you, Bad.
Are there ”paraphrase” marks available Disraeli, does the content between the ”s not encapsulate most of what you said in the other post,(note i also credit you with ”later fervently denied”)…
You didn’t paraphrase me or quote me. If you can’t even read what I wrote, then there’s no point even trying to bring it up in a later conversation because you look ridiculous.
Wrong again Gallstone sorry, i just looked in the mirror and NO according to an admittedly personal measurement i do not look ridiculous,
SO you deny then ever using words to the effect that: ”casual unprotected sex is common and therefor freely provided abortions are a good means of sanitizing the consequences of such actions”…
Yes, I do deny it. Unsurprisingly, you are wrong on various different levels.
I did not say casual unprotected sex is common. I said that casual sex is now normal, healthy and people shouldn’t be judged for it. Nothing about unprotected sex there. Unprotected sex is dangerous and we should educate people about it.
I also didn’t say that abortions are a “good” means of dealing with the consequences of the actions. Abortions should be the last resort and we should aim to bring down abortions rate. Ultimately, though, it has to be a choice open to a woman if she wishes to have it.
I will try and write this in baby steps for you because you struggle with reading comprehension. Here is the position that I repeated numerous times:
So in a nutshell, you’re ridiculously wrong that I said “casual unprotected sex is common and therefor freely provided abortions are a good means of sanitizing the consequences of such actions”.
Well said, Disraeli,
I think when an issue is as sensitive and contentious as this one, it is really good that people make an attempt to be respectful; to read comments carefully and not take them out of context and misrepresent what people are saying, which bad12 clearly did with your comment.
If one wishes for a constructive discussion this is important. If one wishes to be ‘right’ no matter what – then carry on bad12 – but do realise that people reading may well read through your poor representation of others’ arguments and consider you very wrong for doing so. (I conclude such things even if I am arguing on the same ‘side’ as the person conducting such tactics.) If an argument has merit – it can be argued on the points, not underhand tactics. On an issue such as this one – I think it is particularly bad form to conduct such tactics.
I found myself on the side of the debate for abortion, and wasn’t too comfortable about that – knowing it is important to respect life and not wishing to promote abortion, however I found it incredibly objectionable that some assumed that women making the decision to terminate a pregnancy are being irresponsible, and were promoting the idea that someone other than the women should be involved in making that decision in order to ensure the life of the child is considered as if women can avoid considering this, or that the women should be forced into continuing with the pregnancy? – these are simply not reasonable conclusions to draw.
Adding to this, when it comes to having children when on a low income also leaves women targeted for similar levels of judgement, contempt and vitriol makes me realise that there is still something very very wrong with attitudes toward women.
After debating all day yesterday on the matter, I sat down to do some study on International Relations and as complete coincidence would have it I was reading a chapter on poverty and hunger – and guess what? Women and children are forming the majority in these statistics; Internationally and internally in our own nation. This is a University textbook – not a conspiracy theory dvd. There is something very, very wrong with this picture. And while people continue to blame those most disadvantaged by our system, I suggest that not a whole lot is going to improve with this flawed system we have.
So I suggest to those of you wishing to curb the rate of abortions, I strongly suggest that you focus on the reasons why women might be doing such and try and address these matters, rather than attempt to force them to carry on with pregnancies when they do not feel capable of providing a decent life for that child (for what-ever reason, emotionally or materially) Because as others’ mentioned – whether abortion is legal or not – women will persist if they are desperate enough, so you are only pushing for a dire situation to become more dire.
The Greens had the correct idea – in that very policy they have mentioned the aim/availability of additional support for women who might carry on with their pregnancy bar their vulnerable position. As usual the Greens have thought of the wider picture. Well done the Greens.
well said
Right Gallstone, so casual sex is all good, and aborting the end result of such casual sex is also all good,(that neatly paraphrases you points),
SO, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time with a third strand of ”fluff” being added in the form of ”more education” ”more contraceptives freely available”,
Your conversation so far, abbreviated, ”casual sex is all good” ”fluff” ”casual sex which results in an abortion is all good” ”fluff” ”fluff” equals ”casual unprotected sex which leads to abortion is all good”,
You can ”fluff” all you like over ‘education’ and availability of ‘birth control contraceptives’ but that is your obvious position, and, the number of abortions despite the introduction of more education and more birth control contraceptives suggests that either contraceptives fail on a far greater scale than anyone will admit too, or, despite education and availability people having casual sex choose not to use them….
There is no point in debating with someone in the state of rabid hysteria that bad12 appears to be in.
It is like watching someone with rabies.
Poor show, bad12, extremely poor show.
I suggest you go and debate a topic you actually have some insight on.
Lolz perfect argument Blue leopard, people that disagree are rabid hysterics, actually i preferred Stephanie’s rather snide expressed ”suspicions” the other day as the ”attempt” at silencing the debate,
”Suspects” or having ”suspicions” adds so much more excitement to the debate than a simpletons ”rabies” or hysterics” don’t you think…
It is not that I disagree with your comment that I describe you as such.
It is the quality of your argument that I base my conclusions on.
Have you no points that have merit you can raise? Is misrepresenting what people are saying, the only way you can continue the debate?
How do you think you can make a point by making up what people are saying?
I don’t think you know what paraphrase means.
But never mind. I think I put forward my position quite succinctly and clearly. There’s no real contradiction in it. You twist them to change what I’m saying to meet your own deluded position and there’s no point trying to engage with you if you’re either going to deliberately twist my words or simply cannot comprehend the English language.
I’ll leave with this suggestion, though, from what I learnt about you over the last two days.
Don’t vote the Internet MANA Party. Try voting the Conservatives. They seem to fit your dinosaur attitudes a little better.
+100
I think single ‘ can be used to show paraphrasing but I find it’s easier to say something like, and to paraphrase xyz, ‘it is raining here and it is wet’ – there can be no misinterpretation with that.
Indeed.
Agreed. The issue wasn’t really how to quote or paraphrase anyway. It was the fact that Bad was just lying about what had been said.
“despite plenty of countries having adopted similar abortion laws to ours which have seen the number of abortions spiral,”
I’m not sure whether you mean that abortion numbers have spiralled up or down. Worldwide, the number of abortions reduced from 45.6million to 43.8million from 1995 to 2008, with major reductions in the ‘developed’ countries (from 10 to 6 million) with a marginal absolute increase in the ‘developing’ countries (from 35.5 to 37.8 million).
Abortion rates (as opposed to absolute numbers) also dropped, worldwide, between 1995 and 2003 and then stabilised (with a minor reduction) through to 2008.
See the table in this link.
An interesting quote from a footnote to the table reads:
“The Southern Africa subregion, dominated by South Africa, where abortion was legalized in 1997, has the lowest abortion rate of all African subregions, at 15 per 1,000 women in 2008. East Africa has the highest rate, at 38, followed by Middle Africa at 36, West Africa at 28 and North Africa at 18.“
I should add that rates of abortion worldwide have decreased quite markedly (from 35 per 1000 women to 28 per 1000 women) between 1995 and 2008 which is why there has been a drop in absolute numbers of abortions despite population increases.
LIARS OF OUR TIME
No. 41: Richard Prebble
“What I do know is that John will consider everything. He’s an honorable man….”
—Former ACT leader RICHARD “MAD DOG” PREBBLE, speaking on Q+A, Television One, Sunday 8 June 2014
More liars….
No. 40 Colin Craig: “I’m interested in raising the level of debate.”
No. 39 George W. Bush: “We will be standing with the people of Afghanistan and Iraq until their hopes for freedom and liberty are fulfilled.”
No. 38 Jeremy Hansen: “I read a great column by Paul Thomas in the Herald….”
No. 37 Alan Seay: “You know, we respect the rights of people to protest….”
No. 36 Paul Dykzeul: “No we won’t be changing the Listener; it’s got a terrific editor….”
No. 35 Mark Jennings: “I think Paul’s a bright guy and he will be able to bring a discipline to his performance….”
No. 34 Willie Jackson: “I thought we’d been sensitive with her yesterday….”
No. 33 Supt. Bill Searle: “I think what’s happened here is the police officers have done their very best….”
No. 32 Sonny-Bill Williams: “It’s good to get the win over Papua-New Guinea, a strong Papua-New Guinea side, aahhhh….”
No. 31 John Palino: “Suggestions that I am somehow orchestrating some grand right-wing conspiracy to unseat Len after the election are so wrong…”
No. 30 Alan Dershowitz: “I will give $10,000 to the PLO if you can find a historical fact in my book that you can prove to be false.”
No. 29 John Banks: “I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. And never, ever would I ever knowingly sign a false electoral return. Never ever would I ever.”
No. 28 John Kerry: “…we are especially sensitive, Chuck and I, to never again asking any member of Congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence.”
No. 27 Lyse Doucet: “I am there for those without a voice.”
No. 26 Sam Wallace: “So here we are—Otahuhu. It’s just a great place to be, really.”
No. 25 Margaret Thatcher: “…no British government involvement of any kind…with Khmer Rouge…”
No. 24 John Key: “…at the end of the day I, like most New Zealanders, value the role of the fourth estate…”
No. 23 Jay Carney: “…expel Mr Snowden back to the U.S. to face justice…”
No. 22 Mike Bush: “Bruce Hutton had integrity beyond reproach.”
No. 21 Tim Groser: “I think the relationship is genuinely in outstanding form.”
No. 20 John Key: “But if the question is do we use the United States or one of our other partners to circumvent New Zealand law then the answer is categorically no.”
No. 19 Matthew Hooton: “It is ridiculous to say that unions deliver higher wages! They DON’T!”
No. 18 Ant Strachan: “The All Blacks won the RWC 2011 because of outstanding defence!”
No. 17 Stephen Franks: “Peter has been such a level-headed, safe pair of hands.”
No. 16 Phil Kafcaloudes: “Tony Abbott…hasn’t made any mistakes over the past eighteen months.”
No. 15 Donald Rumsfeld: “I did not lie… Colin Powell did not lie.”
No. 14 Colin Powell: “a post-9/11 nexus between Iraq and terrorist organizations…connections are now emerging…”
No. 13 Barack Obama: “Simply put, these strikes have saved lives.”
No. 12 U.K. Ministry of Defence: “Protecting the Afghan civilian population is one of ISAF and the UK’s top priorities.”
No. 11 Brendan O’Connor: “Australia’s approach to refugees is compassionate and generous.”
No. 10 Boris Johnson: “Londoners have… the best police in the world to look after us and keep us safe.”
No. 9 NewstalkZB PR dept: “News you NEED! Fast, fair, accurate!”
No. 8 Simon Bridges: “I don’t mean to duck the question….”
No. 7 Nigel Morrison: “Quite frankly, they’ve been VERY tough.”
No. 6 Herald PR dept: “Congratulations—you’re reading New Zealand’s best newspaper.”
No. 5 Rawdon Christie: “…a FORMIDABLE replacement, it seems, is Claudette Hauiti.”
No. 4 Willie and J.T.: “The X-Factor. Nah, nah, there’s some GREAT talent there!”
No. 3 John Key: “Yeah we hold MPs to a higher standard.”
No. 2 Colin Craig: “Oh, I have a GREAT sense of humour.”
No. 1 Barack Obama: “Margaret Thatcher was one of the great champions of freedom and liberty.”
Anyone else find this meme disgusting for unashamed bias, dishonesty, stupidity, as well as seminally indicative of the staggering entitlement of the Planet Key’s establishment ? –
“Banks’ DEFEAT of transparency re connection with Dotcom PALES against Mana’s CELEBRATION of transparency re connection with Dotcom – Criminality Good……. Lawfulness Bad……..Criminality Good……..Lawfulness Bad.”
What the hell have we come to ?
The blighted future they promised.
Mike Williams, a pretty good column in today’s Herald surrounding the non-vote, trouble is i hear the old violin playing but the only obvious solution hasn’t had its song written into the musical,
Mike points out that pretty much 25% of eligible Kiwis don’t vote, so, 75% do, contrast that with Aussie voters, 93–94% of those who are told that they Must vote do,
Yeah yeah, you all just hate being compelled to do anything, the violins tho are silent, i see nor hear any opposition to there being a compulsion by Law in this country to enroll to vote…
For those of you on iPads (and probably iPhones), I just fixed a bug I wasn’t aware of. The webapp portion of the mobile system wasn’t working on iOS7+
Turned the webapp feature off.
The effect is that you can now add it to your mobile desktops, click on it, and read the site.
Where is that?
The bug only really showed up as far as I was aware on iOS7.
If you had bookmarked the site on your desktop, it would display as a full screen webapp on iOS5/6. On iOS7 it would often fail to load.
I turned the fullscreen webapp off and made it display as being in the browser just like it does on Android.
I’d have seen it earlier, but I only use android myself these days and only had access to a old iphone and ipad.
BTW: Lyn won’t let me touch her beloved iPad, iPhone, or Mac laptop (I now have a jealousy as well as a cost aversion about apple devices). I was rather surprised that at the list conference that David Cunliffe let me play with his iPad after he’d complained about the “server connection speed”. But it took me 30 minutes to figure out that the problem was the webapp and fix it at the server.
John Campbell was greatly amused by the destruction of an innocent man;
But he’s more charitable toward an actual criminal
Mediawatch, Radio NZ National, Sunday 8 June 2014
sanc•ti•mo•ni•ous (ˌsæŋk təˈmoʊ ni əs) adj. showing or marked by false piety or righteousness; hypocritically virtuous.
—Random House Kernerman Webster’s College Dictionary
In 2005 the National Party’s dirty tricks wing came up with a ludicrously exaggerated and distorted story that Dunedin South MP and Environment Minister David Benson-Pope had abused students when he was a teacher. Nobody with any sense believed a word of it, but the National Party and its media tributaries (NewstalkZB, Television One, TV3) kept repeating the stories, and it became an ongoing accusation against Benson-Pope, even though it had no evidence to back it up. Forced to go along with this charade and investigate these vicious lies, the Speaker of the House concluded that there was no substance to any of the allegations.
However, the extreme right wing press never gave up on the fantasy. The most deranged journalism-impersonator in the country, Ian Wishart, repeated the lies in 2006 in his crazy Investigate magazine. Working closely with the grubbiest functionaries in the National Party, like Judith Collins, Wishart conjured up a lurid scenario of an out-of-control tyrant stuffing tennis balls into students’ mouths and walking into the girls’ showers. Collins actually called Benson-Pope a “pervert”—under the cover of parliamentary privilege of course.
The media failed to seriously investigate the claims. The media failed to put things in perspective. Instead, the media simply repeated the National Party’s allegations, wholesale. Like dogs after a stuck pig, the parliamentary press gallery took Judith Collins’ lead and ran snarling—or more accurately, snickering and guffawing—after their quarry. TV3’s king of compassion, John Campbell, was one of the leaders of the baying—snickering, guffawing—pack of hounds; Campbell Live gleefully ran jaunty, comical Benny Hill type music to enhance its pictures of scores of reporters laying in wait for the beleagured Benson-Pope. Campbell seemed greatly amused by the spectacle of a cabinet minister being harried and persecuted in parliament, humiliated and driven to tears by liars in an utterly spurious National Party campaign.
FAST FORWARD EIGHT YEARS….
This morning, on Mediawatch, Campbell was asked if he was pleased that his own investigations had played a major part in the conviction of the disgraced ACT M.P. John Banks. Now, remember that, in contrast to Benson-Pope, who, contrary to the claims of Judith Collins and her cronies, had done nothing wrong, Banks has just been found guilty of a grave crime. Surely someone who delighted in the persecution of an innocent man would be over the moon at the conviction of a real criminal.
Not quite….
Campbell assumed a tone of unctuous sincerity and intoned: “That’s a difficult one. When you start to revel in another’s misfortune, that reeks of vigilantism.”
Benson-Pope obviously believed he’d physically assaulted those students because he issued a public statement apologising for it even while claiming he’d done nothing wrong – and of course everyone is “innocent” in prison. Perhaps we can get you a job with the Catholic Church.
Pops @ 14.1 – “he [Benson-Pope] issued a public statement apologising for it even while claiming he’d done nothing wrong……”.
Have tried to find the apology Pops but can’t. Can you assist please ? Not that I doubt you but really would like to read the apology, in it’s entirety, myself. Followed that business quite closely at the time and recall nothing of an apology.
Ah yes, I see my mistake – he only offered apology for any upset his actions may have caused.
http://tvnz.co.nz/content/668749
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10370549
Yes, mistake indeed. A pretty clumsy (if not deliberate) one at that. Leaves quite un-molested my long held sense of Pops as……..well you know, a visiting T123 T1234……
There you are Pops……..somewhere in the last sentence there’s a word part of which you may be foolish enough, in your own name, to utilise. To finish the job on Benson-Pope commenced those years ago under parliamentary privilege by the loathsome Judith Collins.
Do you get a little warm glow of pride when you accuse possible abuse victims of lying? You seem quite gleeful about it. Do you apply this to rape victims too?
What the fuck are you on about Txxx Txxxx Pops ?
You got caught out in falseness @ 14.1.
Your mealy-mouthed response @ at 14.1.1.1 was the only one available to you.
Now @ 14.1.1.1.1.1 you’re straight back to Txxx Txxxx without missing a beat. Aggressive and haughty, aiming at differently positioned goalposts in a completely different code. Very telling in my book. A big din calculated to cover the discomfort of being caught out.
God Pops……..you are so, so , so Judith. Take some gardening leave please.
Oh fuck off Morrissey. Pop thought he remembered an apology and it turned out to be an unpology, which he noted and linked to.
What’s your fucking problem with that?
Calling Morrissey – there’s the possibility that the heat nominally directed at you by Felix is actually meant for me.
OK. In response to Morrissey Pops misrepresented Benson-Pope, pejoratively. In doing so he chose to align with or at least minmise what Morrissey reminds was a disgusting campaign to destroy Benson-Pope. Then fantastically he falsely attributes to me gleeful harassment of abuse and rape victims. And the deriving by me of a warm glow of pride in the fiction about where I’m at.
That’s my “fucking problem” with that Felix.
From someone who repeatedly comes across as one whose sole claim to being of the Left resides in personal distaste for Mr Higher ShonKey Standards, well it just adds.
I thought I told you to fuck off.
Not entirely sure how being of the left means I’m supposed to toady to the left’s fuck ups as well. I am of the left, but all politicians and ideologies are worthy of cynicism
Felix – your imperious “…thought I told you to fuck off ” shit.
No. You asked me a question. I answered it. Still you’re not happy. You need to watch what you ask for then don’t you Oh Master ?
Oh North what wit, what with you and Morrissey about all I need is Prof. Longhair to come back to make my reading pleasure complete.
Pops old fella……that’s the point. You’re NEVER entirely……..well……..anything really. That’s a worthy cynicism I guess.
Oh except in unmistakeable Tory pejorative. And a certain biliousness about a certain German. You’re fairly ace at that. Why the fuck bother ? Ship out to Kiwiblog where you can disport in ‘moderate’ splendour and fake up your ‘erudition’ without challenge.
At least Pop isn’t using multiple pseudonyms to agree with himself like you are Morrissey you sad fool.
[lprent: I do keep an eye on that along with a number of other astroturfing techniques. Just had a glance at this one. Doesn’t seem likely to me. Nothing at a technical level pops out. The style is different. Maybe they just tend to agree? ]
Nah it’s all him. This isn’t the only place he does it either. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nz.general/IibP8D06NB4
Thanks felix
Hahahaha ! Judiths…..everywhere – McIvor nee Wodham’ll be weighing in next.
Morrissey…….where the fuck are ya when the hordes are bearing down ?
It would be quite hard to stuff a tennis ball into someone’s mouth. I remember being dubious about that at the time, and I’ve seen teachers do some very strange things.
Felix……. such peremptory rejection of the congress of sentiment evidenced by the freemen North and Morrissey ???…….freemen hailing from North [North] and North [Cote Point], respectively.
Oops…….hang on…….noooooo…….McIvor nee Woodham North [Grey Lynn] HAS weighed in.
No seriously……..North [North] demands public acknowledgment of his sovereign North [North] being…….unburdened by the killing local body levies of North [Cote Point]. Just North* [Harbour Bridge] *of the.
North [North] finds Morrissey North [Cote Point] thoroughly agreeable otherwise. Stay with the programme Felix – it’s a gradual thing.
Breen you’re projecting. You’re the one with the imaginary friends.
Oh Please Flux……..ask me a question ……..I’ll answer it……..promise…….then you can ruminate about whether you told me to fuck off – up [North][Bridge][Point][Cote] ? Oh bugger ! I don’t know.
Oh C’mon Flux…….this can be our own little triumviral fun. Just us three.
Nah, sorry the member for North [Grey Lynn]. Go away. Three’s company four’s a crowd. Anyway, you’re on refreshments.
Ha excellent North almost a touch of Garcia Marquez about you this morning.
Seriously Morrissey, this is just embarrassing.
More than embarrassing Felix @ 14.2.1.2.1 – bloody bizarre – of you.
Let’s look at it. Calmly. Nicely. All starts with Morrissey, yes the real Morrissey, at 14 above. North, the real North, agrees with the real Morrissey (not unprecedented) and fatefully engages a spat with the real Pops. So far so good. Then at 4.27 pm the real Felix starts addressing the real North, the non-Morrissey, as “Morrissey”, telling him to fuck off. “Oh……what’s going on here ?” really muses the real North.
The increasingly unreal Felix has detected a non-real North as a cover for the real Morrissey. At 9.18 pm lPrent advises as follows –
” [lprent: I do keep an eye on that along with a number of other astroturfing techniques. Just had a glance at this one. Doesn’t seem likely to me. Nothing at a technical level pops out. The style is different. Maybe they just tend to agree? ] “.
The now really unreal Felix is really, really troubled – 10.04 pm – Felix – “Nah it’s all him. This isn’t the only place he does it either.” Even provides a link as proof.
GeeZuz Felix. Let it go. We’re way past the softness of that old standard ” I’vvve gottt youuu……..un-derrr myy skinnn……. “. You realise of course that your bete noire Morrissey, that foxy old wordsmith, God……..he’ll be in stitches over this !
And please Felix, have a thought for me the real North. Not the best of feelings to be summarily ‘nonned’ you know. I mean it’s been going on for 24 hours. Today I experienced none of the alacrity with which I normally receive friends Kathryn, Mike, and The Little Tory Shithead 11.00 am Mondays RNZ………I was hoping to get the real oil on that just been ‘nonned’ MP fulla.
Science, the last frontier, nah hang on that was a different movie and an entirely different frontier, a news item earlier in the week had me firing on all exclamation marks,?????, and going Ah Derrr i gotta learn how to drool,
It appears that ”Scientists” have been studying mega-storms and the damage they do, and, the results of the study show that storms with male names do more damage than storms with female ones, i kid you not, and while no furry cuddly animals are said to have either died or been horribly abused during the study the Scientists were reputedly paid,
This brings me to the conclusion of my own scientific study, the results having just been arrived at via a complicated algorithm,
Of all the car accidents that occur befor noon on any given day, 10% of those ”at fault” in such car accidents said that they had eaten toast for breakfast,
The conclusion then, lead by ”science” must be that eating toast for breakfast causes car crashes, undeniable you hear…
Sorry mate other way round at least with deaths not sure about damage but I’d imagine the same holds.
“Analysis of more than six decades of death rates from US hurricanes shows that severe hurricanes with a more feminine name result in a greater death toll,”
http://www.clickgreen.org.uk/research/trends/124727-hurricanes-with-female-names-kill-far-more-than-male-named-storms.html
i stand corrected Marty, tah much, the obvious further conclusion to such ”science” would have to be to only name storms by the least damaging of the genders,
Gives new meaning to the term, ”it aint rocket science” doesn’t it…
yep or maybe they should use non-gendered names – might reduce the death tolls but i suspect the numbers will rise and rise and rise. I don’t really get why they name them anyway – probably to make it easier for newsreaders or the insurance companies lol
My view is that they should simply find a whole test tube full of other scientists, there is obviously something seriously amiss with the ones that put together that particular ”science”…
I took it that they were just reporting their findings and the findings are the weird bit perhaps showing how deep the patriarchal attitudes in society run.
Lolz Marty i didn’t hear it as a gender issue,(obviously having got the ”culprits” the wrong way round),
A little storm forms in the Bahamas,its name is either Jane or John,by the time it hits the US its severity can be judged by gender/name???
i thought at the time that the people that call that science must be stark raving…
I know, it is very weird indeed, on so many levels. Humans eh – bloody uppity monkeys!!!
Good lord, you are obtuse. Quite clearly the implication is that people may unconsciously take storms with female names less seriously than storms with male names and consequently not make adequate precautions or choose to weather it out rather than evacuate.
mr obvious to the rescue lol
Well your subtlty seemed to be having sweet fuck all affect. Also do bother to check things like time stamps before launching into bitch mode. Cheers.
We were having fun. Bastard mode probably more appropriate but i take your point, ta.
That really is sooooooo funny Pops, you should be on the TeeeVeeee, the fact that you along with the ”scientists” could believe in such ”accidental” coincidences as ”science” has my gut busting,
Hell if that were the case don’t you think, simply name the fucking storms by the least damaging gender/name, the idea of which just has me laughing even harder…
Sigh. While statistically correlation is no guarantee of causation, in many cases it warrants the application of scientific method. Ignoring data because it doesn’t fit with your personal prejudices is called “superstition” and “ignorance” and puts you in the same camp as creationists, flat earthers, geocentrists, and climate change deniers.
Lolz Pops save that one for your teeevee show, now what am i meant to name the next storm i see, John or Jane…
By the way Pops, should there be a further study done to say assess the value of a storms severity against ‘who’ named it,
Or do they appear with name tags or in the modern world bar codes, is there a difference in say a meteorologist naming the storm and an inmate of a psychiatric unit having done so,
The questions are just so many and the answers so few…
Given your entrenched misogyny, bad, were a hurricane with a female name to hit, rather than flee I expect you’d run toward it, flailing your arms and demanding it doesn’t have any abortions.
My entrenched misogyny, Laugh out Loud, you poops is sooo funny,got any more along those lines,
Does it hurt tho this entrenched misogyny, probably a lot less than the pain felt by those flushed down the sink at the abortion clinic right pops, ah that’s right all those girls and boys that get the royal flush aint developed enough to be able to express pain so flushing them is all good right pops,
Ripping a baby girl from its mothers womb and (if mum don’t want to take her home)flushing her cold dead remains down the fucking sink has to be the ultimate in mysogyny doesn’t it pops,
Will no one think of the unicorns! There is no elective late term abortion in New Zealand so no little girls or boys are being ripped from their mothers’ wombs – that little blob of barely differentiated cells hasn’t got as far as gender yet. And don’t be silly, biological waste doesn’t go down the sink… it gets incinerated.
When you’re in a position to get pregnant, maybe you’ll be in a position to comment. Meanwhile I say let women make their own decisions and let termination be safe, legal and hopefully rare.
How about this; To avoid complacency and save future lives and really inform humanity what we are in for – I would like to suggest that from now on gender neutral names that more accurately describe the sense of dread that future generations unlucky enough to be born on Eaarth will experience.
How about Klimate Kchange Killer, KKK I, II, III IV etc?
Future extreme weather warnings:
This just in. World Warming Super Winder, WWW III the third and biggest twister to hit the North American Continent this tornado season is expected to make a direct hit on the town of Chicago within the next 36 hours, to increase your chances of survival please evacuate the city. But whatever you do don’t get caught in the traffic jam, you and your family will be killed.
Or how about: We will now cross live to our weather channel where experts predict that the latest Terrorist New Typhoon, TNT IV is expected to explode a devastating weather bomb directly on central Manilla and surrounding areas, please make the necessary arrangements to spend your remaining hours with your loved ones, may God have mercy on your souls.
Hurricane Hydrogen-bomb Hitler HHH II has left tens of thousands of dead in its wake and nothing standing after the Northern Territory city of Darwin was invaded by a 4 metre storm surge. (That last one is not quite gender neutral, but you get the idea)
While we are on the nazi theme and before I get accused of being an alarmist Climate Change Goebbels and are banned by the climate change ignorers of The Standard, I’ll say it first. “Don’t tell us what to write” lprent
No-ooooo Jenny, please No-oooo, it was intended for a bit of light hearted banter on a Sunday afternoon,
Well to be completely honest it was a fishing line set, obviously the bait was stink and no-one bit,but that’s another story…
Ps, please stop attempting commenting suicide, the sight of all the gore involved has me laughing like a loon which will simply destroy months of practice designed to have me not appearing to be so…
In that case you shouldn’t mind that I have used a bit of gallows humour to puncture your party balloon.
Bad?, bad12, are you OK? “so…” What has happened? Are you all right? You stopped in mid sentence, what’s wrong? Are you having a seizure?
I am sorry for bringing you down. I feel terrible. It’s all my fault, please forgive me.
Here, here is something to cheer you up
it was too good to ignore, so in case anyone finds a need for such an image
here is Paul Goldsmith’s stand in
i feel it is missing something, so suggestions welcome 🙂
My hopes are on that sack of flour getting as many ACT votes as possible.
And a new Twitter feed
Tweets by EpsomFlour
But plain white flour – not wholemeal.
a pair of goldsmith-spectacles shd be drawn on the bag of flour..
here you go
http://i.imgur.com/xQ10ces.png
that was a good idea phillip, works much better now 🙂
Dr Vanana Shiva – Ecofeminist on women and the Environment
Theodore Roszak on -‘Towards an Eco-Theology”
…..also an ecofeminist
http://www.studymode.com/essays/Ecofeminism-53562.html
and Theodore Roszak ‘The Voice of the Earth’
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/theodore-roszak/the-voice-of-the-earth/
http://www.ecobooks.com/books/voice.htm
Thomas Berry, Earth scholar, cosmologist…. a great Ecofeminist who transcended the limitations of patriarchal religion and critiqued its attitudes towards women and the suppression of women. He equated the present environmental crisis and the trashing of the Earth with the subjugation of women, their spirituality and their rights by patriarchal religion.
Chooky, the subjugation of spirituality, Mana, Manaakitanga, Ahi Kaa, Mauri, and, Wairua in my world would be encapsulated in a political philosophy which encourages the free use of abortion,
All the above mentioned intertwined elements of life are offended by the act of abortion, and all those involved anywhere in the chain of events leading up to and including such abortions are in effect destroying in themselves and others the essential life forces be they physical, spiritual, or natural,
i doubt whether any of the ”plastic” proponents of more abortion would have the faintest idea of what any of the above means….
I have an idea of what it means and i disagree wholeheartedly with your personal view. IMO you should just speak for yourself not others, especially Māori women.
+100 marty mars…and I also have Maori ancestry…many Maori women regard a degradation of their status came with patriarchal monotheism….primal polytheistic religions tended to accord equal status to males and females and there was a pantheon of Gods…both male and female ….Papatuanuku, the Earth Mother, for example is perhaps the most important God
And of course Chooky your ”plasticity” allows you to see NO connection through Mana, Manaakitanga,Ahi Kaa,Mauri, and Wairua what-so-ever between the aborted child and Papatuanuku right, its all just words to you right Chooky…
Marty, nice little knee jerk, notice the words after the word Wairua in the comment i publish above,
”In my world” suggestive of whom i am ”speaking for” do you not think,
Point taken Marty and answered above, i would tho suggest you not engage in the language of the hypocrite which you certainly attempt with the final three words of your comment…
Yes I didn’t notice those words – sorry. My point about speaking for yourself stands though and i wasn’t speaking for Māori women, I was speaking for me – which is why i used the IMO.
oh I just noticed that I used “personal view” in my initial knee jerk – good to see.
Marty, you like everyone else is debating the personal, how bout you explain the ”idea” you have of Mana,Manaakitanga,Ahi Kaa,Mauri, and Wairua in relation to what i have said is their inescapable intertwining with all those concepts of Maori involved in abortion,(not necessarily confined to Maori either),
In other words what do you believe these aspects of Maori are and in your opinion how does the act of abortion not effect them…
Is there such a thing as the spirit or life force of the unborn child in traditional Maori folklore?
Thanks but no thanks – I generally like holding my cards close to my chest, where they are safe.
Yes of course CV, even the earth mother Papatuanuku that ”plastic Chooky” introduced to the conversation, through Wairua and Mauri is connected to the unborn child and thus the unborn child is connected to all living things through Wairua, Mauri and Papatuanuku,
The easy explanation of Wairua as ‘the spirit’ hardly encompasses anything in terms of the wider explanation of how Wairua connects us to our ancestors and gods,(some of whom were our ancestors)lands, seas, rivers, those dead and those yet to be born,
Mauri is slightly easier to come to terms with by ”everything has a life force” ”it may not be alive or have ever lived in terms of the modern understanding of life but it has a life force”
Manaakitanga, is best explained by ” everyone is welcome, there is always room for one more”,
Now you might think Manaakitanga is only extended to the living, not so, manaakitanga is enabled by our Wairua and envelops in its embrace not only that Wairua which it is enabled by but because Wairua and Mauri cannot exist in separate universe must also include Mauri,
Ahi Ka, usually simply described as the burning light or burning fire,(especially when applied to treaty issues), is the light handed down through time to us from our ancestors it is intrinsically interwoven in our wairua it is said to burn brightest in those who are born near and never go far from the Marae of their ancestors,
All of these things, including Mana which i haven’t addressed, are intrinsically linked, and My Opinion, (the capitals are for an obvious reason),says that the act of abortion directly attacks and diminishes one or more of those aspects of Maori,
An example, i have heard a grandmother exclaim about a child, ”that one is the spitting image of my grandfather” that is ahi ka in human form, and the kid will be watched by many especially if the great-great grandfather had great mana for signs of that mana in the child, when it is seen, then ahi ka has passed through wairua from the past into the now,
Had the child tho been aborted, a part of ahi ka is snuffed out…
thanks for sharing b12
this kind of traditional knowledge and understandings are becoming more critical again as we find that the flash ‘modern’ ways of looking at things are deficient and sometimes quite injurious.
Lolz CV, you’re welcome, the above is the short version, i have yet to see a book written which fully encompasses the above in all its aspects,(including the ability of the unborn child, gods, or tipuna of the child to put upon those involved a makutu over having aborted the child), now that would be a good read…
I re-read your comment, b12 and these stood out to me
“those yet to be born”…”welcome…there is always room for one more”
You are offensive. Did you change to the Māori roll when Māori had the chance to?
Pretty much 50% of Maori are not represented on the Maori Electoral roll choosing instead, as is their right, for whatever reason to enroll on the general roll, so if you are attempting to denigrate someone with your snide little query it is you who is being offensive…
So bad you condemn Māori women to makutu – “to inflict physical and psychological harm and even death through spiritual powers” and think it would be a good read. You really are a big twisted bullshit artist.
http://www.maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&keywords=makutu+&search=
Actaully Marty, your opinion of me is far higher than the one i hold of you, which sways between that you are a gutless,lying, wanker and/or a piece of shit,
i am neither unborn child,god, or tipuna, so i condemn no-one to anything, is that the best you can do you pathetic little ”i can pretend to be maori and no-one will notice”,
The fact that you had to reach into a book to find your latest piece of bullshit to explain Makutu tells me like your refusal to debate above that you know as much Maori as my little fingernail does,
”i prefer to hold my cards close to my chest” drips of i am a lying fraud and if i say too much i will expose myself…
bad12 doesn’t have the power to condemn anyone to makutu.
Ancient indigenous traditions often say that children who are taken before their due time may have that power; it is a common theme throughout East Asian and South East Asian folklore, Borneo, New Guinea, etc. But of course it is just superstition.
The reference was to show you how it was done fuckwit.
As for your insinuations about my ethnicity lol was I getting too close to the mark there eh.
IMO those that try to be the big man around their ‘knowledge’ often end up showing their ignorance – case in point you.
I knew you would be too thick to understand why explaining concepts to you would be a waste of time but guess what numbnuts they are personal not for the public and not for a fake like you.
PS Marty, i notice you do not negate the ability of a makutu to inflict such harm upon men and women through their involvement in abortion,
By advocating more, abortions that is, it wouldn’t be i condemning anyone to anything, as i previously explain, me being neither unborn child,god,or tipuna, it would in fact be you that is advocating more such harm from makutu which would naturally occur from a greater access to abortion that you advocate,
Hypocrite, fraud, liar, you encompass them well, wearing all as your badge of honor…
Lolz CV, if i had any such ability to inflict such dire consequences on anyone imagine the trail of carnage round here,
Like i said above, makutu an intrinsic part of Maori and its relationship to what i commented above would make a good read,
Wonder what Mars had for dinner, its come out carping like its on another planet, i better wait for the Lolz, and Lolz again answer to see if it thinks i am an unborn child,god,or,tipuna…
I don’t bother debating these things with those that don’t have a clue – that’s you bad. You are a unoriginal, thick, bullshit artist and guess what – we both know it.
btw – did you change to the Māori roll – lol
An unkind person Marty would suggest your refusal to debate such things, except for the ability to denounce other’s explanation of concepts as wrong and nothing else, the word wrong,not being a debate, is singularly down to the fact that you are a fraudulent airhead,
Nope, like my father befor me who was always on the general roll i also choose, as is my right along with the other 50% of Maori who do so, to vote on that general role,(i only imparted this information to you Mars because i want a laugh at the following effete insult your airhead will formulate and toss my way)…
Well bad you are entitled to your opinion of me and of anything else, and I’m okay with that believe it or not.
I had quiche for dinner by the way but i’m sure that had nothing to do with the rage i felt at you.
Thank you for answering my question, even though I know it was rude – you are a bigger man than me for sure.
Rage Marty,???, but isn’t that why you started in with the insults/abuse, after all in debates, specially in such a sensitive moot as the one being discussed, isn’t ”the tactic” to hurl such unpleasant language about fully expecting a flame to ignite in the hope that the Moderator, who in your zeal you believe will want to shut down the debate as much as the Pro side seem to, will step in and deliver me a spanking,???,
My opinion, would suggest that way befor ”Rage” a thinking person proposing to address a moot from any perspective has gained the resources to address that moot from all angles without exhibiting rage,
Right now you are probably thinking hypocrite at me, but, a considered view of our exchanges today, along with a modicum of honesty, would have you well able to pin-point where debate became rage, insult’ and even abuse,
The exchange between myself and weka is a case in point, weka posed a considered question to me, i replied with what i considered to be a considered but abbreviated reply,(to propose fully my view of abortion would take pages and hours),
Weka then gave a reply containing somewhat of an insult, to which i replied in kind,
my point being, that i am happy to debate anything on any level anyone chooses to debate from and NO i am far from an innocent when it comes to nasty shit,
Have a good night…
Well the rage was my stuff. My trigger was that I felt incensed that a group of people trying to do their best in the world was saddled with being cursed. That was when I lost it and started delivering insults and abuse and that was my stuff, my issues. From there it just became tit for tat and I accept responsibility for the nastiness I fueled. It wasn’t a debating tactic, I was absolutely furious and didn’t control myself at all. The comment that got me going became the release point for my anger at a number of things including things not related to you or even the topic and I allowed it to flow. That was a mistake and I’m sorry that i did that and I’m sorry to you for doing that.
Lolz Marty Mars, apologies are not necessary and if it was a needed release of anger, we all have them, then it was a pleasure to be of some use on a quiet Sunday,
As i point out, myself am far from being an innocent babe in the woods, and, some commenters as the thread of the conversation shows, usually ones where there is a ”history” get treated at the least with disdain as a matter of course,
Brought up on the old ”sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you” i quite happily wallow as deeply in the mud as anyone’s pond of muck turns out to be,and believe me, there is nothing anyone here can label me with that i havn’t in this life lived less than ordinary been called befor and emotionally dealt with,
Aw no its five past, my fine cloths have turned to rags and gumboots to a glass slipper,(i dont dare look outside to check on the waka),
Good night…
“this kind of traditional knowledge and understandings are becoming more critical again as we find that the flash ‘modern’ ways of looking at things are deficient and sometimes quite injurious.”
I agree. Abortion is practiced in pretty much every indigenous culture I have come across, including by Māori (I think you will be hard pressed to find any culture that doesn’t have knowledge of how to do abortions). If you talk with Māori women, you will get a range of beliefs about how abortion fits into their world view, just like with other cultures.
is there such a thing as oral history acknowledging the number of women dying in or before childbirth bad12
Yeah right Tracey, kill’em all right, there might be a chance of death through child birth,
The Law already caters for mothers who have an identified problem that could endanger the mother’s life,
If anyone not so identified doesn’t want to chance such a risk as you chirrup Tracey, that hasn’t been previously identified they can always engage in using that unheard of thing called contraception, or if forgetful, the morning after pill,
There’s also something that’s well known in my hood that definitely avoids any such complications, its called closing your fucking legs, also known as abstinence…
and yet my comment was related to the ancient and spiritual traditions you and cv were extolling, so i take it you have no knowledge of the issues i asked about given your knee jerked you straight to your pet meme
Such an oral history Tracey would as these things are imparted not be imparted to me, i have a set of balls ”other stuff” in families that choose to pass on such knowledge is imparted to us with the ”other stuff’…
Bad, out of curiousity, are you suggesting that the law be rewritten to exclude Māori women from access to abortions, or are you suggesting that the Māori world view you are sharing here should be the basis of law for all women in NZ?
Neither weka, i have suggested nothing surrounding the current Law or proposals other than that it should not be made easier to gat an abortion than it is now,
If i were to propose anything it would be compulsory education about the use of contraceptives and the dangers of not using them,
i would then propose that contraceptives, including the morning after pill be free and made freely available in places other than chemists or doctors,(along with all doctors visits concerning contraception being free if they are not already),
i would in no way make abortions any more restrictive than they are now,(even tho the High Court and Appeal Court ruled that in the case of the Wellington DHB they were being provided outside the Law)
What i would do after the provision of all the free advice, free contraceptives including the morning after pill, and free abortions(for which i would demand that the DHB provide a free taxi chit to and from issued by the certifying doctor)would be devise a spanking for those who had availed themselves of such where no actual physical threat to life existed,
The extent of such a spanking would be between those put befor a relevant tribunal and their representatives with Legislative guidelines and an offence of a male having unprotected sex would also need be Legislated where the male appeared at the same tribunal the only proof need by such tribunal being that of the termination…
PS, i would also look at the requirement for two doctors,consultants, whatever to be needed for the referral to the ‘clinic’, IF a woman has been with the same personal doctor for more than a couple of years then i would suggest that that Doctor knows all that is needed to be known…
Thanks bad, appreciated, that’s much clearer.
I think your relationship with all the things you are talking about further above is sometimes pretty ugly. Like marty, I wouldn’t choose to talk about the deeper aspects of what humans are in this context. Your inclination to use the state to coerce me with regards to my body is scarey.
Righto weka, and your irresponsible attitude to the use of your body which involves the killing of another human being is sickening to me,
The State uses Legislation to coerce you to do or not do all sorts of things with your body and there are far more ”choices” available to all Men and Women befor the ”choice” of taking a life, no matter how viable you consider that life to be…
But I’m not irresponsible. Your insistence to label all women with an unwanted pregnancy as irresponsible and needing punishment is one of the disturbing things about your views on abortion.
Righto weka, scratch irresponsible, the use of your body which involves the killing of another human being you claim is your right sickens me,
The State uses Legislation to coerce you to do and not do all sorts of things with your body etc…
Can you give some examples of how the state intervenes with my body?
cough cough
Hunton RB. “Maori abortion practices in pre and early European New Zealand”. N Z
Medical Journal. 1977 Dec 28;86(602):567-70.
cough
If the rather hit and miss traditional abortion practices didn’t work, infanticide was quite popular.
…also it was known for babies to be eaten on occasion, so i have read , by a hungry Chief ….or by a conquesting tribe !
apparently your queen still eats them crooky
what ?…Queenie…never!…”Dont Eat People!”
Dont eat people!
lol 🙂
You edited – tricky – I thought you meant this queenie
Oh yes …i love that Queenie.too!..and I have heard that on British ships of old ….if they ran out of food the cabin boy would be first to go…ie get eaten…he was kept in reserve for just such an unfortunate situation
That cabin boy case is one of the episodes on Justice that ran on TVNZ7, and after much deliberation the remaining (satiated crewman) were found not guilty.
Not really my point, Chooky – let’s not dredge that stuff up. I just wanted to point out that within the sphere of traditional Maoritanga and tikanga, abortion wasn’t some alien tapu concept. They were probably more practical about it – the news reports of what they found in Tuam, Ireland show what happen when you pretend there isn’t a genuine need.
I rather be disagreed with by bad that have you agree with me pops – you display your bigotry like soiled undies worn over your pants.
Not sure about how supporting the spirit of the Treaty, the advancement of Te Reo, the rights of non-Iwi affiliated urban Maori, wanting something done to tackle the horrific wealth disparity that has such disastrous consequences for the health and well-being of Maori and Pasifika and so forth suddenly becomes bigotry just because one occasionally questions ethno-nationalist bullshit that has direct implications for the country one is a born citizen oft.
But hey, pokokohua sweetie.
i chose not to go near it Marty, same with Chooky’s little chirrup, really fucking ”plastic”, pretty tapu for now,
Exposed to the light of day tho, such comments might become noa, so i will have a look later when the heat,obviously intended, in them is no longer of concern…
I understand.
+100 Pop…they were not stupid!
No, they were not. Not at all. Which is probably more than can be said of some of their descendants it would appear.
yes agree….some of them have been turned quite “plastic” and full of hubris and faux mana…the ancestors would turn in their graves…honesty is mana
fascinating. Herbal mixtures/concoctions taken orally appear in most cultures.
Infanticide as well as choosing the infants life over the womans at the time of birth
Indeed, such was the market in Roman times for the abortificant Sylphium that it became extinct. We don’t even know what it was exactly, except that from descriptions and picture on coins, it was probably related to fennel. And of course we have RU-486 now – not so very different.
The recorded evidence for the practice of induced abortion in the 19th century Maori is evaluated–Gluckman LK.
Is a PDF if you care to Google and download it, from the abstract we learn:
“‘Abortcide as opposed to feticide in late pregnancy was very rare, Abortcide was not practiced for fear of retributive makutu”
Gluckman appears to use a very ”strange” form of English to say the least, depending which part of the country these people were conducting their anthropology i would suggest might have different conclusions drawn,(ie in some parts of the country the eating of human flesh occurred, in other parts human flesh was never eaten),
My grain of salt surrounding such anthropology is the same one as surrounds what history teachers in the same 1970’s were trying to teach us as Gospel,”Captain Cook discovered new Zealand”, and, look out if you dared wave an arm around encapsulating the other inmates of the classroom and ask ”where were these people while this discovery was occurring”…
Ah, I see – they aborted through induced labour in the latter part of the pregnancy. Well that’s much nicer. I can see the error of my ways now.
Who exactly is ”they” Populuxe, pre-European Maori were not a ”they”, pre-European Maori were a series of independent tribal nations with various interconnections,
Someone then talking out of their Tiro would ascribe the act of abortion to this ”they” you speak of having no notion of the offensive nature of such remarks as some of this ”they” you speak of might well have practiced the act of invasive abortion and some would have ”boiled your head” at the very suggestion that they would dare touch that what was so Tapu,
Try digging deeper Populuxe and you will find the true nature of those you so conveniently consign to your ”they” and the differing attitudes ”they” had to that act of abortion…
Morrissey the girl who was hit by Benson Pope is a close friend of my daughter.
While corporal punishment in schools was on the way out Benson Popes discipline of this girl was over the top
Do you have any knowledge of the tennis ball stuff?
Yes, that veneration only applies to the ones able to continue the killing. The ones that return basket cases, amputees and forgotten are the 40%. I have witnessed those sign up processes outside the likes of Home Depot- the shiny suited and well fed sargeant promising health care to the unemployed cannon fodder kids is a sight to behold.
Plus why not falsify the kids credentials, age etc if you need to make your recruitment quota for the month.
FYI
An ‘Open Letter’ from Graham McCready to John Banks (sent 7 June 2014):
TO John Banks Copy the Rest of New Zealand
Dear John,
I can understand the situation you find yourself in having been in the same situation myself.
From this personal experience I can tell you that you are at serious risk of receiving a jail term of about 18-months.
His Honour has given you the opportunity to qualify for Home Detention.
The term is likely to be about six months.
He is NOT going to consider a discharge without conviction.
That is a delusional fantasy.
If David Jones QC continues to suggest the possibility my advice is to sack him and file a complaint with the Law Society on the basis of gross incompetence.
See my attached missive on the process.
If you get home detention your overseas travel will suffer minimal disruption.
Any jail term of one year or more and the Inter Islander Ferry may be about your limit.
How then do you ensure you stay out of jail?
Accept responsibility for your actions.
Immediately as part of acceptance resign from Parliament.
Do not dance on the head of a pin before the Probation Officer on the difference between “Found Guilty of an Indictable Criminal Offence” and “A Conviction being entered”.
On Monday YOU contact the Probation Service.
Do not let your clown of a lawyer do it or wait for a Probation Officer to phone you.
COOPERATE with them. BE VERY HUMBLE
Tell them you have royally screwed up and that you are unconditionally guilty.
Do a press conference and make an unreserved apology to the People of New Zealand for your conduct.
Back that up by a huge donation to low decile schools.
Do not say which ones or how much.
That will not get you off but it will be spiritually uplifting
Tell them you will not be appealing the verdict.
DO NOT ATTACK OTHER PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE CASE.
Assure the Probation Officer that you will comply with all instructions and conditions of Home Detention no matter how tedious. And they will be tedious.
Treat the Probation Officer with respect.
Do not make racial or serious remarks.
You may find your Probation Officer is a young female Criminology Grad less than half you age.
The Probation Service will need to approve your apartment for Home Detention.
From my experience it is probably not suitable.
The reason is that a Probation Officer or Security Guard cannot walk up to the front door 24-hours a day because of the building security.
Tomorrow rent a VERY MODEST house with walk up to the front door.
Talk to the Probation Service about this.
Finally welcome to the Human Race.
We are not bad people who will become good, just human beings who do good and bad things at various times of our lives.
This too will pass.
Wishing you all the health, happiness and success I enjoy for myself one day at a time.
Kindest Regards
Graham McCready
Or better still Herr Banks do what i have done every time when faced with the same situation and simply say,”yeah i am as guilty as sin, remorse what the fuck are you on about,do your worst as far as the sentence goes, i have never been a beggar”…
Sage and kindly advice there Graham McCready. There’s nothing that shits a probie more than a lack of convincingly expressed remorse and the shifting of blame. Invariably it ends up in the probie’s court report and judges just hate it.
Now, Mr Banks……how do you take dead rat ? Hot, cold, with ketchup ?
lol @ dershowitz. yeah i remember that. god, that sad tosser must hate having lived a life in the shadow of Chomsky and Finklestein.
Yeah, but despite being fully exposed as a vicious, immoral lying SOAB, ‘Dersh’ is the one who continues to roll in the money and power.
Meanwhile, courageous academics like Finkelstein have their whole career destroyed (with, of course, the Dershbag playing a leading role in that destruction).
Aint it always the way.
Little wonder Narendra Modi’s toilets first, temples later was a vote catcher.
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Hindus are, on average, richer and more educated than Muslims. But oddly, the child mortality rate for Hindus is much higher. All observable factors say Hindus should fare better, but they don’t. Economists refer to this as the Muslim mortality puzzle.
In a new study, researchers believe that they may have found a solution to the puzzle. And, surprisingly, the solution lies in a single factor – open defecation.
http://scroll.in/article/665908/A-new-explanation-for-the-mysterious-child-mortality-puzzle-among-Muslims:-open-defecation
having so many gold plated toilets himself, and no temple yet dedicated to him, you can understand his affinity with bogs
applause very well put, Tracey!
And here’s Modi’s solution to India’s rape problem:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/05/uk-india-rape-idUKKBN0EG1GH20140605
Well done to The Standard – you made number 4 on the list (well specifically to Geoff for the posting and Mike the Savage One for the ‘because he is a Virgo reasoning).
Pity they didn’t link to the article in question.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10132508/Whats-the-real-deal-on-the-theories
It’s Andrea Vance, ergo, not worth the pixels.
Good job to all those involved
‘Israel’s housing ministry has announced new plans for almost 1,500 new settlement housing units in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, described as a “fitting Zionist response” to the new Palestinian unity government, backed by the Islamic militant group Hamas’. Truly beyond chutzpah.
Between this and the use of attack jets on civilians in Ukraine, its amazing the very selective inattention displayed by the western power elite.
By the way, i note that a 6 man Ukranian Antanov surveillance plane was downed by eastern anti-Kiev forces today. It could turn into a proper civil war/proxy war over there soon.
Apparently the “very selective inattention displayed by the western power elite” doesn’t extend to that notorious propaganda organ of dissemination of the western power elite known as CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/03/world/europe/ukraine-luhansk-building-attack/
Notice how much outrage and condemnation from America and Europe was included in that piece? Yep – none. Because there was none.
But thanks – you do remind me that the media isn’t completely one sided 😉
This Is What Happens When A Kid Leaves Traditional Education
US based so won’t fully apply to NZ.
Wow Draco! Sir Ken Robinson (lower down the link) nails the need for allowing and encouraging creativity in education. Imagine nailing Steven Joyce to the floor and making him watch Ken for 20minutes. Joyce is demanding training for a better workforce. University dedicated to courses to produce graduates in maths science engineering. Forget the Arts National Standards to narrow the curriculum. Etc. Just like the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Workers trained just for the workforce.
Home schooling done well or perhaps a revolution in schools to foster creativity, flexible thinking as well as competence in the 3 Rs. might work.
You always get that from the right-wing which is truly amazing considering that they’re the ones that go on the loudest about everyone being different one size doesn’t fit all. Then, as soon as they in power, we get the Three RRRs and National Standards forcing everyone into the same mold.
Which, I believe, was actually happening in NZ schools – until National got in power and stomped all over it with their ideology.
Yeah Joyce and more scientists and engineers, what does he need them for he’s got fuckin thousands of them coming out his arse telling him for thirty years the planet is heating up and this is what we should do, and he ignores them all. What tyhe fuck does he need more of them for?
He doesn’t – it’s a dumbing-down process – the rich don’t want the poor to be clever
That’s what happens when a bright, capable, motivated and supported child leaves traditional education.
To suggest (as he does) that his approach could be rolled out as a ‘standard’ approach doesn’t mesh with the reality of the average kid.
Yep, still something worth pondering as far as our education system goes.
Oh, and I’m sure that motivation increases with support. If children aren’t supported they see no reason to do anything.
Bye John you fff-ing criminal, Banks resigns–RadioNZ National news….
What happened to Mike Smith’s “Communication Upgrade Needed” opinion post – there one minute and gone 20 minutes later…
The gist was that DC’s recent messaging has been very negative about life in NZ.
I watched as negative messaging sank the Left in 2011. Unless people are seriously struggling they like to think of themselves as doing well, or about to start doing well. Doing well, being fair on everyone, and helping those who need help.
[lprent: Looks like Mike did a premature release? He is the only person on the edit list. ]
” [lprent: Looks like Mike did a premature release? ”
I heard it was touch and go for a minute.
A premature release? Ooer.
A cunning plan, but before that I just want to say I support Kim Dotcom in his bid to become a citizen of New Zealand, and less a back down, more slow realisation perhaps, I don’t know, but I do regret being so dismissive and judgemental, and wish him well in his bid to stay in this lovely country.
The plan.
With Banks gone on Monday, why not have the government gone next sitting day? Especially if it could happen if the right people spoke to each other.
Dear Mr Flavell. for the good of your party and the good of your people, telephone Honi and tell him you want to join his alliance with the internet party and if he says yes, good idea, happy to be working with you again, ask him to telephone Russel and Metiria, because they are friends and will work with you together and get more out of labour post snap election which when united we will win.
Dear Mr Harawira, for the good of your people and for the good of us all, if Te Ururoa calls and ask if he can join your allainace with the internet party, says yes, good idea, happy to be working with you again, then telephone Russel and Metiria, because they are friends and will work with you together and get more out of labour post snap election, which when united we will win.
Dear Metiria and Russel, for the good of your party and for the good of us all, if Honi phones and says he has a plan to bring down the government and a way to work together to get more out of labour post snap election, which when united we will win, tell him you’re groovy with it and wish each other well for the election which now united, we will win.
After you’ve finished talking with Honi, phone David Cunliffe and tell him you’ve decided to go hard out for his voter base because you want to form a Green/IMP/Labour government after the snap vote next sitting day. Tell him to get his best people as high up as he can just so they survive the cull, and say we’ll give you a call a couple of days post election.
Dear David, If Russel and Metiria call and say they’re going to go all out to be the biggest party on the left in New Zealand, and they have the support of the new alliance to get things done, and that they will give you a call a couple of days after the next election, because united we will win, say Okay, I’ll wait for your call, then phone you’re closest allies, brace for the revolution, and get to work on getting the party list stacked with your best.
😯
Is your middle name Rommel…or Guderian…or maybe Zhukov
edit – your strategy perfectly capitalises on use of the IMP positioning – the one risk being that the nation will be pissed off with IMP for orchestrating this – the upside being that IMP will demonstrate to the electorate that it is VFS (very fucking serious) and that it knows about assymetric action…
Oh no, I doubt my parents were so illuminated to have much knowledge of those names other than the first, so I’d much more likely, by class, been a Winston, Monty or Douglas as in Bader. I’m pleased to inform they were not swayed by the abundance of 1950’s 1960’s war films or swinging 60’s summer of love. Also pleased to inform that despite my Chelsea supporting dad’s like for football and Dirty Harry films, my middle name isn’t Clint, Bobby as in Moore or Chopper as in Harris, and my mum’s like for Michael Caine and the stones, it’s not Alfie or Keith either.
Just a late night Sunday ‘what if?’
And just for fun, in an if I won lotto or a genie popped up when I rubbed my long empty until Tuesday coffee jar for comfort, I’d make MT prime minister with HH as deputy, with Norman and Cunliffe looking after the treasury.
Then my circuits flashed over and instead of a what if, it faded and I was left with an if only instead in a fuzzy afterglow of knowing united we will win.
The key (lol) is to destabilise the Key government in the House but keep it supported just enough to limp on the next 14 weeks to election day. You don’t wish to cause an electoral backlash by actually forcing a snap election so close to the General Election so you keep the Key government on life support over the next 3 months.
I fear we both want the same revolution, but it will come as no surprise to read I like mine to smell of drama with more than a hint of immediacy. 🙂