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Open Mike 08/08/2017

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  1. Opportunity knocks.
    Labour must
    1. work to achieve the highest possible party vote and
    2. also to connects its candidates and policies with people and communities around NZ.
    Labour must go after those Green supporters who might be looking for a new home.
    Too often I’ve seen Labour people giving way to the Greens in number of policy areas from Transport to the Environment and latterly social policy. Many Labour people behave as if the Greens have first dibs on some areas.
    I’ve seen Labour people collaborate with Greens while the same Greens eat Labour’s lunch.
    Harden up. Maximise the party vote. Then and only then can the Labour caucus negotiate the coalition deal in parliament.

    • Stephen Doyle 1.1

      i’m inclined to agree with Bill. In the past Labour has seemed to give way to the Greens on social policy. However they also need to go after that light blue vote the oscillates between Labour and National.

      On another tack, the woman from Federated Farmers on the Nation a week ago said that Winston was really campaigning aggressively in the provinces. If that vote starts to go to NZ First I can see National’s collapsing to well below 40.

    • Ad 1.2

      Labour’s environmental policy coming up tomorrow is going to be a clear start to doing exactly that.

  2. Eco maori 2

    I’m looking for a lawyer to help me sue the police I have tried 4 times my stores are on Sundays open Mike some of them I tried to contact Suzie who is managing the internet party Simon email me the police are covering there ass an contacted them an spun there lies and flashed there badge to stop me during sueing them they don’t expect a poor person to work out the justice system

    • Anne 2.1

      I advise you to go to your local Citizens Advice Bureau Eco maori. Most towns have one and there are several in the larger cities. They can advise you where you can go locally for assistance.

      There are lawyers out there who give of their legal services free one night each week – usually at a local community hall or somewhere like that. You have 15 minutes with them so you need to have your ‘facts and figures’ ready so they can make a prompt response. I used their service 20 years ago when I was a beneficiary. I can’t be sure if the service still exists but expect it does. Citizens Advice will know.

  3. Cinny 3

    Shocking NewsRoom Exclusive, just released

    “A Family Court practice described as “barbaric” allows police to take children from their parents with no prior warning. The removals are used to enforce parenting orders, but are they harming the children the system is meant to protect?”

    Melanie Reid and Cass Mason report.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/08/07/41459/taken-by-the-state

    • The Fairy Godmother 3.1

      I heard of something like this. Not sure if the police did it. It was such a rush their asthma medication didn’t go with them and whanau members were running around sorting out the mess. It also took a month for those whanau members who should have had the kids in the first place to get them back. Not good. One of the children changed from being a nice polite child at childcare to am angry swearing one.

    • millsy 3.2

      This has always been the case. I personally know of a few cases where this has been floated as an option, but fortunately sanity and cool heads prevailed.

      It really is a tough call to make about this.

  4. Eco maori 4

    My situation is one of the reason why national will lose this election got one of the police blogger writing right after me to change the subject lol

    • Cinny 4.1

      Do you need a lawyer Eco Maori? Sorry can’t help, I’ve no legal training. Maybe someone on here can, sounds like you have a story you would like to share.

  5. Ad 5

    Great to see Forest and Bird ever-vigilant against another dam proposal in central Otago:

    https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/assurance-sought-falls-dam-spending

  6. garibaldi 6

    Good to hear Sue Bradford’s support for the Greens on RNZ this morning.
    It strikes me that anyone who supports the improvement of the poverty trap in this country will vote Green because no other party is interested. Labour certainly isn’t.
    Full marks for the stand James and Metiria are taking and I ( as a middle class chardonnay socialist who has never been on the benefit nor had a baby) fully support them.
    I’m very disappointed with Kennedy Graham and stupid Clendon, but shit happens and they are better out of it if they aren’t prepared to back Metiria.
    Full steam ahead Greens.

  7. Eco maori 7

    I’m hoping that some one will champion my case these site help me find the truth with MSN THEY TELL THE BULL SHIT STORIES TO MANIPULATE THE PEOPLE TO THINK THE SYSTEMS ARE THERE TO PROTECT THEM YEA RIGHT THE SYSTEM ARE DESIGNED BY THE 1 pecenter so they can line there pockets and who cares about the rest of us

  8. roy cartland 8

    Anyone hear Hooton on RNZ just before? The man was seething with indignance at the current GP goings-on.

    As a PR shill he knows that people will accept any amount of atrocity – such as his actions in Dirty Politics and Hollow Men – as long as the perp doesn’t admit it. Look at Key, English, Bennett, Joyce. Met’s crime was to admit what she did, and people (thru the media) latch on to that false righteousness.

    • mauī 8.1

      He pulled out the Green MPs will be defecting to TOP as we speak and that the Greens will have to make Shaw’s seat safe as they will struggle to get 5%.

      You may as well pull a troll from here and put them on the radio and call them a political analyst.

      • roy cartland 8.1.1

        What I hated even more was that Mike Williams – is he just there to constantly agree with Hooton?

        When Hooton said that Graham and Clendon were dismissed for their consciousness, he was diametrically contradicting what James Shaw said – and Williams goes and agrees.

        • Macro 8.1.1.1

          They are not analysts – they are there to push their own agendas – and today it showed in spades.
          Party shrills from the right and the far right.
          I stomached 2 mins of their dribble and turned them off.

          • greywarshark 8.1.1.1.1

            Just the right place to place a comment. I have just been on the 9toNoon page for today Tuesday 8th and there is a picture of Matthew and Mike – what a pair. Mike looks like a booze-bloated Mafia don who looks out on the world with cynical disparagement and Matthew looks like his younger cousin – like the Cosa Nostra. Could you grab the image one of those who chooses for the blog, and it would be great for a Preview of the day or such.

        • savenz 8.1.1.2

          Mike Williams = invertebrae
          Hooton = Howler monkey

  9. Whispering Kate 9

    Meanwhile, what is happening to Blinglish’s midnight phone calls to his electorate lady – why isn’t this making big headlines and why is it only Winnie who is keeping on about it. Why are our so called journalists not getting on to Blinglish and riding him relentlessly every day. Why isn’t Labour all over this on a daily basis as well like they should be – opposition are meant to be attack dogs, this is a thin edge of a wedge for National and Labour should be taking advantage of it.

    The MSM and the Government are working their typical dirty politics with the Greens right now – wonder what Nicky thinks of all this. National at this rate will get their fourth term just as it has all been planned in he first place. Listening to RNZ and the AM Show was a waste of time and it was turned off in this household this morning.

    • Rosemary McDonald 9.1

      Very good point.

      You’d think, really, that the media would be aware that these kind of distractions always pop up at this stage in the electoral cycle.

      Complicit they are.

      Bill’s calls and texts…Hundreds and hundreds of ’em ffs, and over an issue he claimed repeatedly not to have had much involvement in.

      The mist of shit swirling over the Nat DPM’s well coiffed and legally protected head.

      In another universe these would be the MSM’s collective wet dream.

      • Whispering Kate 9.1.1

        + 100 Rosemary – the fact he has deleted his text messages stinks to high hell. Obstruction of justice and deliberately done in plain sight. Somebody once said on this site or Bomber’s – that the Government could kill kittens on air and still get away with it. Its heartbreaking how low the electorate has become to accept this Government’s corruption term after term. Makes Helen’s lightbulbs seem like party joke in comparison. As for Metiria there would be few people on a benefit today who have “not deliberately misled WINZ” – as was said by another MP just the other day.

        • Anne 9.1.1.1

          … the fact he has deleted his text messages stinks to high hell.

          I’m picking those texts were deleted around the time Glenys Dickson approached the police. The Nats would have been tipped off and the shredding and deleting immediately followed.

  10. Tautoko Mangō Mata 10

    Another perspective on the Graham/Clendon story comes from newsroom.

    Green Party general manager Sarah Helm said both Clendon and Graham had been asked to consider not standing at this year’s election, and ended up with a list ranking “neither of them were particularly happy about” – Graham was eighth, and Clendon 16th.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/08/07/41529/green-mps-quit-as-turei-troubles-deepen

    So was it a principled stand or personal disgruntlement?

    • Anne 10.1

      I think James Shaw has refuted that claim from Sarah Helm. He inferred it was made in the heat of the moment.

  11. Boy left alone, after-hours, in Ministry for Vulnerable Children office
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899979

    Social workers in the office forgot about a small boy and left him there after hours. It appears from the herald story that there is chronic underfunding and overwork of social workers for our most vulnerable.

    It seems to me that this is another aspect of what Turei is standing up for, not only are we not giving our most vulnerable enough to live on, we are not empowering the people who are meant to look after them, nor are we ensuring that there is enough resources to help in a meaningful way. How long until another child is forgotten? How long until something worse happens?

    #Iamwiththem

    • greywarshark 11.1

      The boy was probably hungry, thirsty and bored. But possibly not dismayed. He was safe where he was and that would be a comfort of a sort.

    • savenz 11.2

      Ironically if a parent did that they would probably be investigated or even prosecuted by CYPS or whatever the fuck they call themselves now.

  12. joe90 12

    Filthy rich vampire libertarian falls out of love.

    Donald Trump’s most prominent Silicon Valley supporter has distanced himself from the president in multiple private conversations, describing at different points this year an “incompetent” administration, and one that may well end in “disaster.”

    Peter Thiel’s unguarded remarks have surprised associates, some of whom are still reeling from his full-throated endorsement of Trump at the Republican National Convention. And while the investor stands by the president in public — “I support President Trump in his ongoing fight,” he said in a statement to BuzzFeed News — his private doubts underscore the fragility of the president’s backing from even his most public allies. Thiel’s comments may sting in particular in the White House as they come amid a series of hasty and embarrassed departures from the Trump train, as conservative voices from the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page to the floor of the US Senate have begun to distance themselves from the administration.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanmac/peter-thiel-and-donald-trump?utm_term=.ojwnnn6LPd#.nxbpppOwzB

  13. Ad 13

    Simon Wilson at The Spinoff, July 14th:

    “Time’s nearly up, Labour, the Greens. Ten weeks to go, and you guys have to blitz this country with heart and soul and inspiration and determination. With a spirit that tells us all you’re going to win. You have to make us believe you. And you have to do it now.”

    6.5 weeks to go.

    • Poission 13.1

      The difference is too nice – Where ends the virtue or begins the vice.

      Alexander Pope

  14. joe90 14

    The peace dividend.

    /

    The Pentagon is considering a plan that allows the U.S. military to conduct airstrikes on ISIS in the Philippines, two defense officials told NBC News.

    The authority to strike ISIS targets as part of collective self-defense could be granted as part of an official military operation that may be named as early as Tuesday, said the officials. The strikes would likely be conducted by armed drones.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-begin-airstrikes-against-isis-philippines-n790271

    • Sabine 14.1

      well the machines need to be used, or what else is the point of building them?

      feed the machine, sacrifices are needed.

  15. The test for The Greens isn’t this rucktion, it is if they can hold the line when the polls come out and the voices of the hateful rise to crescendo – that is the test and it is coming soon. My advice is do not waiver, be strong and brave and trust, trust in us. We’ve got your back and we will vote for you. This is true.

  16. NZJester 16

    I see in the NZ Herald a story of yet another paid for attack on someone carried out on the Whale Oil attack blog. The attack was set up by PR merchant Carrick Graham.
    You have the money and they will smear anyone on that blog for you no matter if they are innocent or not of the alligations. A number of people must have been getting a payday from that.

    Lawyer waged ‘personal vendetta’ against ex husband and Kristin School head Peter Clague -8 Aug, 2017 3:27pm
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899963

  17. Mickey Boyle 17

    Turei will resign before the election, mark my words, I dont want her too, I want her to be PM, but the pressure is only getting greater, an I can’t see her lasting, unfortunately.

  18. Eco maori 18

    On Trump the rats are all fleeing the sinking ship thanks for the advice Anne but people don’t let my spelling and Gramm set ones conclusions on my intelligence while I was being followed around Tauranga mowing my lawns I remembered what one of the lawyers told me he would do so I tried to send a request to the justice department for all the data they hold on me got spammed 3 time’s so I sent a hard copy to Wellington justice department in a tracked courier bag now we will see how this system will comply with the law this will be the evidence I need to sue the nz police for there breaches of my rights I will post my progress on my case

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