Up in Auckland I looked out of the window this morning at a vertical river of water. After I read the news about down country wind speed this morning I decided that this was a good day to not to ride my bike to work…
After yesterday’s adoption of the Republican’s tricks by the National Party, no prisoners.
Don’t bother with the niceties of select committees, drive the laws under urgency.
Bridge and Joyce and the Nats have shown they’ll play dirty, just take them out of the picture.
The bottom line here is Labour were idiots. They trusted National to keep it’s word without making sure if they didn’t they could win a vote.
Still, hopefully lesson learned. Now to teach National a lesson – I would renege on the deal made in the house yesterday to increase select committee numbers. Deals made under threat of blackmail have no force.
Yes they were duped, but they’re the victim of National’s bluff … labeling them idiots for accepting National’s prior assurance of support for Mallard’s election, an assurance they promptly reneged on for a breathtakingly hypocritical partisan purpose … deflects from the real idiots here.
Nor as the media portrayed was it a question of the Govt not knowing it’s numbers; the members absent all had prior permission from the House. But what Hipkins could not have known in advance was that Bridges would so comprehensively break with convention and use this to try and force a vote for the Speaker.
It is my understanding the Speaker is normally elected unopposed as a gesture of respect for their non-partisan role. (Maybe someone can inform us if such an election has ever been forced or threatened in the past?) This was a highly confrontational break, signalling right from the outset National will offer no respect for the role of Speaker. This is going to have seriously disruptive consequences as the session proceeds; Mallard will not forget this in a hurry, trust has been badly dented here.
If the vote had gone against Mallard, it would in practical terms have amounted to a vote of no confidence in the Govt. It is of course one thing to have legitimate numbers to pull such a vote, but failing to reveal that National too lacked the numbers, also due to absence, to claim they could win such a vote in these circumstances was a gross deception.
Essentially Bridges blackmailed the Govt into accepting a deal extorted under false pretences. There are several options, one is to refer Bridge’s blackmail and extortion to the Privileges Committee. I think he should be removed from Parliament. And secondly I agree Adern should harden up and simply repudiate a deal made in bad faith.
When faced with a Republican Party set on the same course of obdurate obstruction, Obama made the fatal error of continuing to seek consensus and cross party support. That merely saw him depicted as weak. Failing to learn that lesson really would make Labour idiots.
+100 RedLogix. English, Bridges, Joyce, Collins Bennett, Brownlee, Barry etc etc they are as nasty and duplicitous group of people as you could ever find.
The odd thing is that National appears to believe they can get elected next time with the same bunch-no chance. So let them continue to play these silly games-the public will see through it.
That has always been their tool to push conyism changes for their own paid lobbyists.
National are not trustworthy that is simply ther truth and Labour coalition must force ‘urgent legislation’ to pass all those promised changes agreed to under all policies that the coalition partners had deliberately all agreed to.
For HB/Gisborne; we need our regional rail freight/passenger service back after a five year wait, as all three parties promised in their ‘policies’ and in the three local papers also.
A selectively incomplete statement. Yes another candidate may be nominated by the Opposition, but in practice I understand that the House always allows the Govt candidate to be ‘elected unopposed’. This is an important convention, one that gives respect to the non-partisan role of the Speaker.
It’s my reading that National gave the usual prior assurance this would be the case, and then reneged on it for a partisan point score.
Unfortunately, it is not actually correct that in practice the House always allows the Govt candidate to be elected unopposed.
In Jan 2013 when the seat became vacant due to Lockwood Smith leaving to be High Commissioner to London, Mallard was nominated by Labour in opposition to the then Govt’s nomination of David Carter
There are several options, one is to refer Bridge’s blackmail and extortion to the Privileges Committee. I think he should be removed from Parliament. And secondly I agree Adern should harden up and simply repudiate a deal made in bad faith.
Both need to be done ASAP. We need our new government to show that we’re not going to put up with National’s lies any more.
A solid linky as always joe. It makes for a grim read though; it’s all material I think most of us would have been aware of at some point, but to see it all in one place is sobering.
And on re-reading it I have to cut and paste this para:
All together, Gingrich’s emphasis on partisan warfare über alles sped the demise of the comity that is essential to the functioning of Congress. If the parties refuse to work together, little can be achieved without super-majorities. It was Gingrich who made winning, rather than good governance, the chief currency of success.
Sadly I have to agree. The problem is they will be damned either way, branded weak if they seek consensus and compromise, labelled negative and ‘anti-democratic’ if they play hard ball.
Obama’s situation had parallels to that of Len Brown. He was a president of the left with a right wing congress who had the majority, making it very difficult for him. The coalition government and its support partner has a majority. If national farts around too much they have the power to call urgency or rule by executive order. Nope the situations are not the same.
The situations are not the same, and yet the desire to appease the National Party persists.
After Oravida, and Cameron Slater, and Simon Lusk, and Jason Ede, and “pretty legal”, and Morally Whitney, and the attacks on human rights and the rule of law, and <ithe last nine years, the NZLP is still prepared to touch Simon Bridges’ hand, nay, not just to touch, but to shake.
The National Party is an existential threat to the citizens of this country, and that’s the way the government should treat them.
I know it’s an oddity unseen in 7 years in parliament, but a resourceful and capable opposition holding the government to account is one of the fundamental underpinnings of the westminster parliament. It helps prevents governments abusing their entrenched powers or further entrenching them.
Advocating that Labour led government should just ignore these conventions and react badly because the National opposition are doing their job kind of makes anyone who supported Labour and pals as they were more honest than National a hypocrite.
I know it’s an oddity unseen in 7 years in parliament, but a resourceful and capable opposition holding the government to account is one of the fundamental underpinnings of the westminster parliament.
You’ve lost me there; on exactly what point of principle was National “holding the government to account” here?
The one where they gave an assurance of support for the Speaker, but reneged on it?
The one where they claimed to have the numbers to effectively force a vote of no confidence, but didn’t?
Or the one where they used the resulting confusion (a standard conman technique) to bluff their way into repudiating a deal they themselves had proposed, and voted for unaminously, while they were in govt?
You claimed National was merely doing it’s job ‘holding the government to account’. I’m curious to know how you thought this was being achieved by this silly farce.
The opposition has negotiated more places for itself on select committee’s.
The opposition has traded it’s symbolic vote for speaker of the house for real power in the engine room. So not merely doing it’s job, forcing the government to understand there is a real opposition now. not the half baked one of the last 7 years.
You may consider it a silly farce, but it’s important the forms and rituals of parliament are observed. They are there for all members benefit, so it’s probably best the government gets on top of them.
The opposition has negotiated more places for itself on select committee’s.
Again selectively leaving out the critical information. It’s like stealing your wallet at the point of a gun and calling it a ‘negotiation’. Cute but not impressive.
but it’s important the forms and rituals of parliament are observed.
Which in this instance National clear shat all over. If they had any genuine concerns over numbers, the correct place was to bring it up in the Business Committee which is where Parliament deals with these things expiditiously.
It is absolutely routine for members to be absent for all manner of good reasons, and in order to ensure orderly governance there is established procedure to ensure this does not cause disruption. Or enable opportunist scams as we saw yesterday.
Trouble is Tracey (and others), Hipkins said yesterday that Labour had no explicit agreement from National that they would support Mallard unopposed. He said that Labour had approached the Nats with a proposal to have Mallard as Speaker and Tolley as deputy, but he didn’t say in that video interview I saw (I think it may have been on Stuff) how or even if National ever actually accepted that deal in a formal way. He added that another time he would make sure he got such a specific assurance given what happened yesterday. So Hipkins confirmed there was no withdrawal of a specific promise from the Nats.
They, and particularly Bridges, simply made Labour look like fools with a very clever tactic, whether we like it or not. Even Bryce Edwards says as much today, explicitly, and he is no Nats fan in any way. We need to just suck it up, hope Labour learn from it, and not underestimate the bloody Nats. They have shown they will be formidable in opposition. In my opinion that means a top class performance will be needed from all of Labour, Greens, and NZF, every single day, not us moaning about the Nats just doing their job in opposition.
but he didn’t say in that video interview I saw (I think it may have been on Stuff) how or even if National ever actually accepted that deal in a formal way.
Even accepting informally is acceptance which they then went back on.
In my opinion that means a top class performance will be needed from all of Labour, Greens, and NZF, every single day, not us moaning about the Nats just doing their job in opposition.
Yes, such performance is needed but National aren’t doing their job as they’re lying and misleading.
Your comment suggest that you don’t believe in democracy DB. You sound like a poor loser who prefers dictatorship rather than democracy because your team got outwitted.
In a democratic parliament oppositions oppose using whatever tactics are legitimately available to them.
There was nothing illegitimate let alone illegal about yesterday’s events. It came about though negligence and poor management by labour, which led to them being out maneuvered.
It can be argued that Hipkens created the situation in the first place by trying to deny National their democratic right to be fully represented on parliamentary committees in accordance with their percentage of the vote.
Your comment suggest that you don’t believe in democracy DB.
I believe and support democracy. National, by their actions and lies, have just proven that they don’t. Your support of National’s immoral actions prove that you don’t either.
In a democratic parliament oppositions oppose using whatever tactics are legitimately available to them.
Lying is not a legitimate tactic in a democracy – ever.
There was nothing illegitimate let alone illegal about yesterday’s events.
Wrong. National said that they would do one thing and then did another. In a democracy and, in fact, any working society trust is essential and National just proved that they cannot be trusted.
It can be argued that Hipkens created the situation in the first place by trying to deny National their democratic right to be fully represented on parliamentary committees in accordance with their percentage of the vote.
As I understand it there was still going to be proper representation on those boards. It was even a National Party initiative.
Politicians lie all the time; unfortunately. They frequently call it spin. Even Saint Jacinda lies/spins. Look at her effort yesterday trying to justify her shambolic management of parliament. Hipkens continued the desperate lieing/spinning on Morning Report earlier today. Even Espinor was left incredulous by his remarkable and audacious spin effort.
I’m sure you know all this and you’re just being cute DB.
There was nothing illegitimate let alone illegal about yesterday’s events.
That depends. If the Nats agreed to elect the speaker unanimously, as some have suggested, their going back on the deal might cause them some Privileges Committee type problems.
I question the wisdom of going down that road, but the possibility remains.
If your glorious leaders really intend to go full Tea Party I can see the government having to be a bit more forceful. “Hardball with spikes” as Matthew Whitehead put it.
But I think the real punishment would be delivered by the electorate. So please, National Party, be true to your values. The real ones, not the ones you pay lip service to.
I know this will really pass right over your head, but if the opposition had been halfway competent during the last national government, do you think you have had as much to complain about as you did?
“Dick waving games” you may think that are. Fascination with phallic symbols and metaphors is very immature though.
Holding the governments feet to the fire is the job of an opposition. Just because the previous lot sucked at it doesn’t mean this lot should
So why does a worker on the minimum wage pay a much higher tax rate than a rich lister? Because rich listers have far greater political influence than the rest of us.
Capitalism is not the force for good its advocates claim. At heart it’s a mechanism for the few to amass wealth at the expense of the many.
Human beings are social beings. We are more naturally co-operative than competitive but capitalism is based on the reverse.
The alternative is socialism (not the totalitarian state capitalism of the old USSR or China – misnamed as socialist or communist) whereby we cooperate together to ensure everyone has the ability to live lives of dignity and self-respect. That’s where our best future lies.
So National needed the Spy That Lied, ( the very definition of a spy ) to attempt an advantage.
The left need to go hard on this illegitimate imposter.
The interesting thing about those comments, all so blithely assuming capitalism is superior to communism, are overlooking the rise, rise and rise of China. While a large part of that rapid rise to global dominance is because it sought an intelligent balance with market mechanisms to build it’s economy; socially and politically it remains at core a communist state.
Assuming capitalism won because the USSR collapsed may yet turn out to be a premature call.
China communist at core? Hmm, not a description I’d ever use.
Politically it’s closer to totalitarianism than anything else.
Economically it has elements of a planned economy and elements of crony capitalism. The planned economy/crony capitalism aspect has worked well-ish for them in spurring massive economic growth. Which I suspect is a result of choosing leaders that have been trained in technical professions.
Socially they appear to be working towards providing the kinds of protections we take for granted (even after 9 years of Nats trying to brutalise them). Bet their successes are patchy, overall they’re in the “yet to achieve” category.
In essence the West started post WW2 from a position of a balance between capital and social interests, and have staggered away from it. While China started with a gross imbalance towards socialism, and have progressed towards the balance we used to enjoy.
I don’t see anything in that article suggesting Xi has any plans to move towards true communism:
“In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, “common, universal”)[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state.[5][6]”
Didn’t spot anything suggesting any planned changes away from their mix of planned economy and crony capitalism. Why should they? It’s worked well for them.
The article suggests Xi intends strengthening the totalitarian aspects of their one-party rule:
“Xi was similarly uncompromising on China’s overall political model, offering no hint that democratic reform was on the horizon or that the party was considering loosening its grip on power. “No one political system should be regarded as the only choice and we should not just mechanically copy the political systems of other countries,” said Xi, who has overseen one of the most severe political chills in recent Chinese history. “The political system of socialism with Chinese characteristics is a great creation.” ”
It also suggests Xi wants to grab a slice of global leadership. That should be easy since the Trumputang seems determined to give away the leadership position the US had.
” Xi, who has sought to portray himself as a strong and stable international statesman since last year’s election of Donald Trump, also painted China as a responsible global power that was committed to tackling shared dangers such as climate change.
“No country alone can address the many challenges facing mankind. No country can afford to retreat into self-isolation,” he said. ”
Didn’t spot anything about any plans they have around improving welfare systems. But that is something they have been quietly improving as they have become wealthier.
I don’t see anything in that article suggesting Xi has any plans to move towards true communism:
My point above exactly. China is not being so successful because it is a ‘true’ socialist state, but because it has progressed towards a balance between socialism and capitalism. Like all human works it’s less than perfect; but manifestly working better than the West which has steadily walked away from socialism towards a purely rapacious capitalism.
Ok, I don’t see that we’re disagreeing on anything substantial about where China’s at.
But I’m still missing what you were trying to convey with that part of your initial comment at 3.1.2: ” … socially and politically it remains at core a communist state.”
Are you using the word communism in the caricature version used mostly as an epithet? As in, the USSR used to be called communist?
Because as I understand it, in political science circles, communism describes a social and political structure quite different to what was actually happening in states that called themselves (or were called) communist.
I think it no accident that both the USSR and China’s attempts rid their societies of markets and create a ‘pure socialist’ solution, both ended up in totalitarianism. (And yes I’m using the word ‘communism’ as a short-cut caricature in this context.)
Yes we might dream of a better world where this was not so, but every nation that has attempted either an imposed socialism (or an unconstrained capitalism for that matter) has ended in tears before bedtime.
The Reserve Bank act at the moment is designed to stimulate our economy with its main focus being inflation . So when peoples trading slows they lower interest so cheaper money trading picks up this is good for people with money. But for people with out big money this is bad if one is unemployed it would be good for interest rates to go down to lower the mortgage service cost and create jobs.
In my view the way the ACT is setup now is to benefit big money and there is no consideration for people without money as these people are most likely to lose jobs( no stake in the business) and be servicing a mortgage , OUR economy can create economic activity without creating jobs the way it is set up now and this create more in equality . And yesterdays teething problem is nothing look at all the good new policy they are introducing Ka pai
@eco maori
Low interest rates help people with resources to buy housing, a relatively safe investment in these uncertain times. They also encourage people to spend rather than save. Consumerism itself is one of our biggest money swirlers. Retail spending is very important as the government has opened the doors wide to overseas goods,and our manufacturing has collapsed under the weight of world competition. So there has to spending and people encouraged to spend even if they are on low incomes with fewer jobs because of the lack of old-style
manufacturing for us, the people in NZ, rather than export. Our living conditions and life in general has been sacrificed to assist us to export, because that is where the big money is to be made, and the foreign baubles that we desire are sourced.
Many older people are more budget pressed than expected because of the low interest rates. Then they are encouraged to put money into shares some of which can earn a 9% dividend. But the government’s talk about people not saving forcing government to borrow overseas is just a subterfuge. There is an economic term called the Savings Paradox that draws attention to the fact that if too much money is withheld from the economy by saving, the economy is not stronger, but starts to diminish because too few people are buying anything.
That is now a feature in the world, many people/private equity firms/corporations have gained a huge proportion of the world’s finances and hold it in tax havens – they don’t need to worry much about interest rates on their holdings because they don’t have to pay tax on it. They just want the exchange rates to stay the same so their funds hold their buying value. But there is insufficient money available to people who want to buy basic things, and run small businesses.
The Paradox of Saving (or hoarding) affecting the world.
In NZ, many people are in poverty, or financially stressed, but conditions grow harder by the week. Government has introduced tough regulations on selling used electrical goods so that it is harder to find cheap second-hand ones, they become more expensive to repair and we are encouraged to buy new so making businesses profitable and keeping more money flowing. Each time you do something, buy or repair through a business the government gets a whole 15% adding to the total cost. Save your money and they take I think 17.5% minimum off your interest. Then there is income tax, user pays on government services.
It’s no wonder many people don’t vote, the government certainly isn’t interested in them, they pay the most tax as a proportion of their income which cuts down on their available money for basic needs. The wealthy may pay more in taxes, because of their higher earnings, and can pay it out of their pocket money, their funds for holidays, new car, new computer, furniture, expensive schooling with overseas trips etc.
However the government doesn’t want a happy stable economy with workers earning well, paying mortgages which is a sort of saving which therefore takes money out of the economy. They have time to do repairs and make things for themselves if they have stable employment with perhaps a day in the weekend off. If shops shut down for half a day even, so Sunday afternoon off, that cuts down on business activity, and government opportunity as middlemen, clipping the ticket. So people are taught to think of buying new rather than repairing old ones, and not encouraged to live simply and well with little debt beyond the mortgage. Even if people can’t afford new stuff, they can be induced by no interest offers, they can borrow on their credit card etc. for a while, but now we have an indebtedness rate of an average 161% of income. Saw that on one of the NZ links but can’t remember at moment.
Thanks tracey and halfcrown
I think we all have trouble to see what is going on and don’t get the full picture of what swirls around us all day every day.
But someone who has the training in socio-economics? and wants to put the record straight about something please feel free. (Except 3steps – I’ve seen enough of him to think what a w….r – fill in the gaps with your favourite denigration.)
You got It. I’m lucky with my mokos it’s different I come down to there level and talk and observe them all the time. I tell them what they are doing wrong and what there bad behaviour does to there sibling or whom ever. And the best part of mokos is we get them for 4 days tops and off home go they whew back to piece and quiet LOL Ka pai
Gees I hate to see what happens when I fart lol my support I get from my tupuna is my code of conduct that I live by so as they will be proud of me. Those people can not help them selves got to spin everything which is what I expect from them. Kia kaha
LOL, but RNZ Morning Report reported that some of the power outages in the top of the South Island were indeed caused by flying trampolines! So why should others suffer from tory trampolines.
Lmao, you crack me up Decrypter. Turned out a lefty friends tramp was found in the neighbouring orchard this morning, they were smiling as they told me, funny as.
Well, yeah. But here we’re just a bunch of politics tragics ranting at each other in an obscure corner of the internet. Gareth has a megaphone to spew nastiness all over New Zealand. Including directly on Jacinda and Clarke.
Too true re a bunch of political tragics! But sadly also true re Gareth’s situation.
My reply re commenters here was not directed at you .- in fact your ‘clue for the clueless’ expression was exactly what was needed to deflect me from replying (very rudely) to some of the classless attempts at humour in the thread. So thank you.
I volunteered for the SPCA *for decades, had many pets over the years, and know how much it hurts when they die. In fact my latest cat (a 12 year old neutered male ginga) died just two months ago of wounds inflected by a neighbour’s cat. I heard and saw the fight, my cat disappeared and died before I could get him to the vet when I finally found him four days later. I feel for Jacinda and Clarke as they obviously both doted on their young cat who was not even one year old. Paddles featured a lot on Clarke’s Twitter feed.
And cats can be taught not to go for birds etc, I also have hard beaked parrots who know exactly how to teach cats that “all birds bite and it hurts!”. I often use them to train other peoples’ cats, at their request.
I’m a bit touchy about losing pets at the moment too.
I’ve got an 18 year old cat whose symptoms of kidney failure become obvious a couple of years ago. He’s had quite a few episodes where he’s been sick and unhappy for several days and I’ve thought if he doesn’t pick up tomorrow it’s time for the final trip to the vet. So far he’s always perked back up, but jeez it’s tough.
When his sister died suddenly a few years back in many ways it was easy to deal with, it just happened and it was done.
Understand where you are at only too well. The big lump in the stomach, is today the day? etc.
About 15 years ago I took on a female (unspayed) Corgi dog as she was 6 years old (found out later she was actually 8) as her owners were going overseas that very day, and she did not fit the criteria for rehoming via the SPCA. She was a real handful, but got put in her place by my other dogs and cats, and ended up fitting in well. At 12 she was diagnosed with Cushings syndrome and basically given about a year to live with or without surgery. The vet and I decided to treat the symptoms rather than the cause.
Well she finally died naturally at home in her basket at the age of 19 years and four months old of two quick strokes in a matter of five minutes. I and my other dogs were at her side. In fact she was the only pet I have ever had that died naturally.
So don’t give up, and don’t beat yourself up. You and he will know when the time is right. Kia kaha
Would not surprise me at all. Paddles had become quite a celebrity worldwide through her (Paddles) twitter account. Articles have appeared in overseas media including Vanity Fair, NYT etc.
Clarke will also be devastated as prime Paddles carer.
But the bloody Herald – their article on Paddles’ death mentions that Jacinda’s grandfather’s funeral was the day before the election. It was not her grandfather; it was her grandmother.
Have just sent the Herald a very rude email message.
I was thinking about Parihaka on Nov 5th, their day not defunct Guy Fawkes day, but didn’t get this in promptly but here it is for thinking about. And hopefully, accepting the date for commemoration of things NZ each year.
Taking Parihaka’s message onward in our minds and our hearts.
Graham Cameron in his blog First We Take Manhattan – Thoughts that are too long for Twitter – has put the main points of his sermon on November 5th reflecting on the date and it’s importance to New Zealand, being the date that in 1881 Parihaka was over-run by colonials, and also it is the date of All Hallows’ Eve (Halloween), with a glance at Guy Fawkes which event is marked with common pleasure and fireworks. The sermon prompts thought, presents information and a great image of Maori with poi that seems to speak of the people who met the forces with respect and determined moral behaviour. https://firstwetakemanhattan.org/2017/11/05/all-saints-all-souls-or-all-parihaka-connecting-allhallowtide-to-aotearoa/
The accompanying image resonates with me because I went to a Dawn Ceremony at 6am on 5th November organised by the marae with local people of the Peace persuasion and thought that remembering Parihaka was an important, even necessary action. I did not see a newspaper write-up about it, was advertised lightly, I think mainly by poster and on-line and few people turned up. The attendance reminded me of that of Waitangi Day in Nelson in the days before the marae opened up andnow holds a commemoration and hospitality day which gets a large attendance, (though I have noticed at the powhiri that many were overseas visitors).
I also notice that a small proportion of New Zealanders labour on to try to keep our progressive spirit and responses alive and expanding. Also to grow cohesive community embracing bi-lateralism, and to welcome those from other cultures who want to enjoy our culture and ways, and enrich our mutual knowledge. Sometimes they amend some of their own ways that are negative, and some of our own similarly negative. The spirit of Parihaka and its example, offer us much and should be remembered by more than a few dedicated Maori, and the few big-hearted people who turn out to respond to its message, and acknowledge what Maori are trying to tell us in the 21st century that we didn’t understand in 1881.
DonMcLean’s words about sensitive, moral Vincent van Gogh resonate.
Starry, starry night
Portraits hung in empty halls
Frame-less heads on nameless walls
With eyes that watch the world and can’t forget
Like the strangers that you’ve met
The ragged men in ragged clothes
The silver thorn of bloody rose
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow
Now I think I know
What you tried to say to me
And how you suffered for your sanity
And how you tried to set them free
They would not listen, they’re not listening still
Perhaps they never will
AZ Lyrics.
An account of the colonial attack on the peaceful Maori and their property from Graham Cameron’s sermon. Frustrated, the hawks in our Parliament prevailed and plans were drawn up to wipe Parihaka from the face of the earth. On the Fifth of November 1881, led by Native Affairs Minister Bryce, a contingent of 1,500 constabulary marched from their camp above the pā, arranged cannons on the small hill Pūrepo, and rode on horses towards Toroanui, where the people were meeting in the centre of the village.
As they entered, the children sung in welcome on the road, holding the raukura out before them. Forcing their way past, the constabulary rode in to be greeted by women with freshly baked bread for their guests. They found Te Whiti and Tohu exhorting their people to stand strong in their commitment to non-violence and to expect their hopes of peace to be realised. The two rangatira were arrested. For the next two weeks Parihaka was occupied. The constabulary evicted people from other tribes, tore down the houses and burnt them, destroyed the crops and chopped down the trees. They raped and assaulted the women left in the pā.
Remembering New Zealand’s poignant, painful but historic, ‘finest moments’ can help in the healing process needed to overcome the losses to us all by past lack of integrity in our behaviour and adoption of coercion and violence to get what we wanted.
Thanks so much for this and the link. We commemorate a loss in Gallipoli but not this which is close to home and poignant even today… with peaceful protesters disdainfully labelled rent a mob and so forth for having a contrary world view to those in power.
The problem with conventional plastics is the damage discarded plastics do in the environment and ecosystems. Due to the length of time needed for them to break down.
If we accept, for the sake of argument, that the conventional plastics we use now are a necessary evil, then fossil fuels are a fairly low-impact source for the raw materials. Using fossil fuels as the raw material for necessary hard goods is also a much more defensible use of a finite resource than burning it for heat and heating up the planet.
If we change to devoting large areas to growing crops for hydrocarbon raw material we used to get from small holes in the ground, that’s just going to accelerate losing wild areas to monoculture and damaging big ag.
Yep she will sign it – and I think that’s hugely funny.
The labour government who a lot here voted in are going to sign in something they have been campaigning against forever. They (in their words) are going to sign away “our sovereignty”.
You have been taken as fools.
Remember all the promised bottom lines on tppa? Don’t see labour mentioning them anymore.
Just in case you missed it, we would have woken up today 100 years ago – to find out a second revolution would have happened in Russia.
And despite all it’s flaws, which there were many.
It is still a great day to remember and celebrate, as a day when working people and peasants decided they had the power and ability to rule their own lives.
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty then any other type of political system and will continue to do even while other countries crash and burn because they’ve adopted socialist policies
Is poverty a capitalist measure, Pucky?
Were the bushmen of the Kalahari living in poverty? Where the indigenous peoples of the rainforests living in poverty, or did poverty accompany the rise of capitalism?
I don’t believe that’s true at all, Gabby. Do you really think of the lives of people in cultures other than Western/modern as “noble naturesnuggles” – a touch arrogant, don’t you think?
Put down the crack pipe, and pick up a book or two Puckish Rouge.
Because sad news for you history ended types – capitalism is a dog, which only serves the interest of the capitalist class. Socialist of all ilks made capitalism work for poor people. But the real kicker was that big old workers state which made sure the liberal capitalist west actually didn’t leave it’s people behind.
That said, go back to wishful thinking and your own warped mythology, bit like your poll debate, and 4th term national government, utter bs.
It is still a great day to remember and celebrate, as a day when working people and peasants decided they had the power and ability to rule their own lives.
Well, it would be, if that was what happened. But it wasn’t. I don’t feel like celebrating the “great day” a disciplined bunch of totalitarian ideologues took over a country and subjected it to decades of murderous idiocy.
It happened in a country that had a culture of repressive, tyrannical leadership, and, unfortunately, Stalin put Russia back into that category. Almost inevitable – same thing followed with China.
I will agree to Pockish Rouge’s claim that he will take Capitalism over Socialism any day when he can point me to a rich, industrialised country that has tried Socialism and failed. He can’t, because it is not allowed. Only poor countries can try it (the USSR was big, but never rich) and the rich capitalist countries (US in the lead) make sure that the Capitalist system prevails.
And please don’t quote Argentina. Primary industry made that country rich – it was never heavily industrialised, and primary industry gives little security in our perverted economic hierarchy.
The nearest proof of socialism being good are the current happiest-in-the-world countries in Scandanavia, who actually tax the rich, and try harder than us to make an egalitarian society.
The totalitarian ideologues were resisted up until about 1921. But yup, they (the Bolsheviks) secured power and put “the left” back 100 years (and counting).
So maybe a commemoration? And perhaps a commitment not to make the same mistakes again; to learn from the past?
I like how you missing out the sentence before that to make one of your snarky comments Psycho Milt. I said, to remind you – “And despite all it’s flaws, which there were many.”
Here a free history lesson, when the whole thing turned to custard it was the anarchists who informed the world how bad the revolution had gone. Emma Goldman with her book “My Disillusionment in Russia” was the go to reference of everything that went wrong during and after the civil war.
You might want to look up what it was like for those months before the Whites attacked. It was not perfect, but it was democratic, it was free, plus workers and peasants were in control.
So yeah, I feel we can celebrate that – or you can be a negative nelly and hate on working people.
When did I support the bolsheviks with what I said? I talked about the revolution, from a worker and peasant perspective. When have I ever supported authoritarianism in any fashion?
But sure make stuff up, it seems to be the new normal on this forum.
My dad was Ice bound in Murmansk on this day 100 years ago. The ship was part of a convoy supplying Russia during the WW1. He would tell me that he saw the Naval Cadets march though the city streets. The ship had caught fire and was destroyed and for around 3 months they ships crew were stuck in Murmansk. Finally, the ships compliment were repatriated back to the UK. On their return, the were discharged in South Hampton. But because they had signed on in Liverpool the company would not pay their wages – this lead to one of the first seaman’s strikes. Of course because it was war time, they were vilified. Being young (18) dad and one of his mates decided that they had had enough, and signed up for the Army, where he posted to France and in June 1918 was promptly shot through the left arm suffering permanent damage to the tendons of his left hand. On his medical discharge the MO said he would be good enough to wash dishes. That was enough to tell him that there would be no future for him in the UK and he promptly emigrated to NZ where he became an electrician and subsequently a rubber worker and for around 20 years was President of the Rubber Workers Union.
Fascinating story Macro. My Dad was in Murmansk in 1920. He was part of a small group of soldiers who were sent there to rescue members of the aristocracy including the Grand Duchess Olga, sister of Tsar Nicholas. They were ice bound in Murmansk over the winter months then moved on to Archangel aboard the SS Czar to collect their human cargo and sail back to England. The whole operation was conducted in secret and on the journey home they sailed in and out of the Norwegian fjords so as to remain undetected. My father was 18 years old and just doing what he was ordered to do. When they reached England Queen Mary was waiting on the dock to welcome her Russian relatives. Dad was in charge of lowering the gang plank for her but misjudged and came within a hairsbreadth of knocking her into the drink. He spent 24hrs in the brig for that mishap.
He, too saw no future in England (and he knew WW2 was on the way) so he brought his young family (not me I came later) to NZ in the late 1930s. In the 1950s he joined the NZ Labour Party and stayed loyal to them up until the end.
On their return, the were discharged in South Hampton. But because they had signed on in Liverpool the company would not pay their wages – this lead to one of the first seaman’s strikes.
Good old Blighty, always on the lookout for ways to make Bolsheviks look the lesser of two evils! Still, at least he wasn’t shipped over to make Russia safe for feudalism again, which was I shit you not something that happened. Like most conflicts, it sure should be remembered. but exactly how to remember it is a motherfucker of a question.
Remember the public uproar Labour faced last time they tried pushing lightbulbs and shower-heads?
How do think the general public are going to feel about the Greens homeowner housing warrant?
While the notion of warrants on rentals is more widely accepted, applying this to general homeowners is going to come across as nanny sate on steroids, thus I expect there will be voter resistance and backlash.
And that will be directed at Labour and the Greens, which Labour will be looking to duck, hence will happily blame the Greens as it is their initiative.
Therefore, it’s something for the Greens to seriously consider before pushing further ahead.
[please link to the Green Party policy on homeowner housing wof, so that people can understand what the GP are suggesting and what they might be intending to act on. – weka]
The likes of Farrar and Slater, I thought back then, needed a big shower-head for a decent sluice-down, given the nature of their day to day activities.
Ideologically, they yearn for such a rose, but realistically? On carcasses of those dimensions? Ever seen the sluice-guns used by the gold-miners of yore?
Worried about ideas being floated, Chair? No, ideas are for floating; I was more concerned about whipped-up faux-indignancy and spin-doctor-induced hysteria – you?
And you don’t think a housing WOF (which goes way beyond shower-heads and lightbulbs) would also lead to more “whipped-up faux-indignancy and spin-doctor-induced hysteria”?
No concerns for the poor, Robert? Or the potential voter backlash towards the Greens ?
With National and her flunkies in and around Opposition, Chair, yes, I certainly do expect “whipped-up faux-indignancy and spin-doctor-induced hysteria” around every progressive idea the Government considers, floats, proposes, introduces; do you think that should stop the Government from acting progressively? I suppose you must. I don’t. Go for gold, Labour, New Zealand First and The Greens! Make ’em froth!
“Do you think that should stop the Government from acting progressively?”
No. My concern is the potential voter backlash. But more importantly, the potential negative impact it may have on the poor. Which could be counterproductive to them acting in a so-called progressive manner.
Thus, would like to see how this will be overcome.
I reckon they’ll factor both those potentials in to their plans, if they have them, Chair. Rest easy.
You worry that “a housing WOF” would lead to this and that, but there isn’t one. Do you mean discussions around a potential housing WOF might lead to etc.? Because it sounds as though you are jumping the gun, creating angst (mostly in your own head) and presenting your guesses in a manner (breathless) to try to create anxiousness in others. So, be still, Chair, you’re frothing.
All we know at this stage is there is one (a homeowner housing WOF).
No, we don’t.
We know the broad idea was floated before the election by a coalition partner.
We don’t know that there is such a thing in the pipeline.
What suggests otherwise is that the party of the candidate who floated the idea got 6%, and neither of the other parties that comprise the majority in parliament have campaigned on or advocated the idea in any form.
Let alone whether it will be mandatory, houses condemned, or fines imposed, or just whether it’s a box to tick for house sales, beside “en suite for master bedroom”.
When you wrote “All we know at this stage is there is one (a homeowner housing WOF)”, you were explicitly making shit up.
Yes, we do. Their social housing spokeswoman alluded to it.
Therefore, when I wrote it, I was alluding to that.
“We don’t know that there is such a thing in the pipeline”
We know a warm, dry, secure home, whether rented or owner occupied is one of the goals the Greens agreed to work with Labour on in return for their support (Confidence and Supply). Moreover, those aims (a warm, dry, secure home) align with the aims their homeowner housing warrant is the mechanism for.
And as they haven’t announced a new mechanism to achieve those aims, one can only assume they plan on using the one initially stated.
The thing about allusion is that it’s not clear, and rests on the audience to make a connection. But that does not mean that every connection an audience makes was the intended one, and it’s even a guess as to whether the comment was an allusion to a specific thing at all, as opposed to a vague comment on a general issue and summarised by a journalist.
You are entirely responsible for the assumptions and inventions that spring forth from your bland and suppurative concerns.
But with Davidson stating the Greens would bring in a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for houses to make sure every property – not just rentals – were warm, dry and safe, what she was alluding to (a WOF) is rather cut and dry.
You are responsible for attempting to sow concern and discord based on one paraphrased statement from one mp during a campaign that resulted in that MP’s party being the smallest partner in a coalition government.
Green policy makes no mention of a wof for owner-occupied homes. Your concern is that the Greens will bypass literally their entire manifesto in order to force a policy onto the government that you are concerned might be controversial.
Take your concern-trolling and shove it up your arse.
But I thought you were just asking whether we thought people might be concerned about the thing that does not exist but might one day because before the election a candidate for the junior coalition partner said something that was paraphrased by a journalist.
Now you’re actually telling us that people are already concerned, at this early stage.
Gosh.
Who?
ps: another possible explanation for this is that the Greens will work on implementing the policies that are actually in their manifesto before tacking on extras.
pps: another possible explanation is that the candidate or journalist in question had a slight brain fade that was too unimportant to bother correcting.
ppps: another possible explanation is that the wof will be another checklist with no enforcement status whatsoever, but might affect resale value like any other amenity or home improvement.
pppps: the most likely explanation is that you’re just a concern troll making shit up.
As I told you the other day, asking for the actual policy is futile as we both know the policy is still being worked through.
All we know at this stage is the objective has been mentioned (homeowner housing WOF) and it is part of the deal the Greens struck with Labour. As was highlighted here in a post the other day.
So you’re asking people how they think voters will react to a policy that literally nobody has seen yet?
Good-oh.
Without you raising such important, serious, and pressing concerns as this, the nats would most certainly still be in government. Thankyou for your service. Without you, democracy would not exist in our fair land.
I’m asking how they think voters will react to warrants for owner occupied homes, which most would assume will be similar to rental WOFs.
Regardless of the policy details, I think many will find just the notion of it offensively condescending. As if homeowners need the state to tell them what repairs they require to do on their own homes. Others (those doing it hard) will be worried they will be forced to sell as they won’t be able to cover the cost.
Landlords aren’t exactly lining up for Wellington’s voluntary scheme and I’m guessing homeowners will be far less enthusiastic. And that risks blowing back on the Greens.
So the Greens don’t have any actual policy on this, good to know.
The C/S agreement says,
“13. Aim to end energy poverty in New Zealand and ensure that every New Zealander has a warm, dry, secure home, whether they rent or own.
a. Budget provision will be made to substantially increase the number of homes insulated.”
Not seeing anything there about a WOF for home owners. Maybe that is something they will do, I don’t know. At the moment you are asking people to get all angsty about something that is theoretical. Which is not necessarily a problem except you are talking about it as if it’s actually real.
I’ve said before, go do some research on this and bring it back, we might learn something.
“Davidson said the Green Party would bring in a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for houses to make sure every property – not just rentals – were warm, dry and safe.”
A spokesperson for a party with 6% of the vote maybe (if we accept your interpretation) thinks homeowners should be subject to a WoF. Explain to us again why homeowners should be shitting themselves? Because I just inspected my underwear and there was nothing in particular to report.
It’s not just homeowners, it’s voters and what they will blame on Labour or the Greens in Lightbulb/Showerhead 2.
Knowing some of how the Greens operate but also what their values are, my guess is that because the rental wof looks likely to happen they’re also looking at problematic housing that is occupier owned where people can’t afford to improve them.
In that situation I doubt the Greens want to legislate to force people living in poverty to fix their houses when they can’t afford to. What would the government do if they didn’t, fine them?
Much more likely is that the Greens will push for extensions to the insulation schemes e.g. subsidies for low income people to insulate their houses. Davidson also talked about heating. Both of those are big issues in housing that is occupier owned by people on low incomes. The heating I expect to be tackled by addressing electricity regulation.
“In that situation I doubt the Greens want to legislate to force people living in poverty to fix their houses when they can’t afford to. What would the government do if they didn’t, fine them?”
They may do a Morgan and force them to borrow against their homes, to be repaid (with interest adding to the cost) when they either die or sell. Later robbing them (or their next of kin) of the equity build up in their home.
Those doing it hard will be worried they will be forced to sell as they won’t be able to cover the cost.
Others won’t appreciate the intrusion of the state into their own homes. As a number of voters displayed when Labour tried to introduce shower-heads and lightbulbs.
Thus, both risk voter discontent potentially being directed at the Greens.
Where did Davidson say this? What was the context? We don’t know that Davidson was speaking to a journalist, maybe it was in a public meeting.
The date tells me it was during the election campaign.
You really should go do some research on this. A single sentence from a reporter about something a GP MP said during the election campaign, is hardly “part of the deal the Greens struck with Labour.”, especially since you’ve been unable to find anything else to support it.
Your problem here is that there is literally nothing to comment on other than your own reckons about something that barely exists. Do some proper research and then you might get taken more seriously on this.
Where this was stated is largely irrelevant as it doesn’t detract from the fact the Green Party’s social housing spokeswoman (Marama Davidson) said the Green Party would bring in a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for houses to make sure every property – not just rentals – were warm, dry and safe.
Which aligns with the aim of “13” (in the Green’s agreement with Labour). A warm, dry, secure home, whether they rent or own.
Moreover, Davidson’s comment informs us of the mechanism (a comprehensive warrant) to deliver that aim.
“ Much more likely is that the Greens will push for extensions to the insulation schemes e.g. subsidies for low income people to insulate their houses”
I have no doubt they will also push for those things. And if Davidson didn’t state they wanted to also bring in a warrant, I may be inclined to accept your reasoning (perhaps that’s all they will do).
Unfortunately, she did, hence the cat has been let of of the bag.
I really hope you are right and things have changed since the comment was made.
The context of Davidson’s comment is in the link provided. It was in relation to deaths linked to unhealthy homes.
Yes that’s all your reckons. Unfortunately all you have to go on is single sentence from a journalist during the election campaign. The rest you are making up.
Are you implying Davidson was misleading voters? She go it wrong? Or that the Greens have changed their minds?
And what is your evidence for your position?
Surely their values and how they operate hasn’t changed between when the comment was made and now?
And if she didn’t get it wrong, wouldn’t it be logical to assume a warrant is still how they plan to meet their aim (13)?
Additionally, if she was mistaken or things have changed since the comment was initially made, shouldn’t there have been a correction/press release from the Greens that you could point too?
After all, it’s a policy with wide implications. Therefore, surely they wouldn’t want voters getting concerned over a policy desire that has now changed, thus would ensure their new positioning was well known?
While I may only have a comment from their housing spokeswoman, what concrete evidence do you have to show it no longer applies?
“Are you implying…”
Nah, The Chairman is indulging in dish-water-weak trolling with his butter-wouldn’t-melt- in- this mouth, wide-eyed questioning trolling. He’s a determined one, but patterns of behaviour speak louder than mealy-mouthed passive/aggressive troll-talk 🙂
“While I may only have a comment from their housing spokeswoman, what concrete evidence do you have to show it no longer applies?”
1. I haven’t said it no longer applies. But you’ve claimed that it’s in the C/S agreement and it just isn’t.
2. you don’t have a comment from MD. You have a journo reporting that MD said something. In fact you basically have three words (“not just rentals”) and nothing else.
3. if you want to be taken seriously, do some research and present some evidence. Your reckons are guesses extrapolated more from your own mind, values and beliefs than GP ones or parliamentary processes.
The deal the Greens have struck with Labour has the same aims as their home owner housing warrant. And as they haven’t announced a new mechanism to achieve those aims, one can only assume they plan on using the one initially stated.
@ Robert
My concern, thus questions are genuine, Robert. Hence, I don’t appreciate your false accusations.
Hi, weka. Pleasant pastures? Pastures usually hide a dirty agricultural secret, weka, so instead I’ll convey some good news from the forest 🙂 I’m spending much of today making a clearing in the trees big enough for the teepee to be set up in preparation for any visitors who might call by over the summer months. It’s a lovely space, beside the creek, wrapped in native trees and nearby to the nectarine orchard. It’s sunny there and completely sheltered from any wind. I may move in myself, when there are no guests. Cooking is on an open fire; smoke goes out the flaps at the apex, and the skin is canvas, so smells like a holiday. Enough to take your mind off The Chairman’s mischief?
Hope so 🙂
Wait till there’s something substantial, rether than speculative, for you and us to get our teeth into, Chair. Then you’ll get answers, rather than return speculation. Are there not enough real issues for you to nip the heels of?
Kirsty Johnston didn’t quote Davidson (look again, there is no quote), she reported something Davidson had said. Maybe it was an interview, maybe it was a speech, maybe it was a tweet, we don’t know.
That’s all you have, those three words. I don’t think Davidson lied, and I think that there being literally nothing else to go on means that we have nothing else to go on. You’re refusing to do further research, and instead you just want people here to seriously consider your theories about might happen to owned houses. Problem is we have nothing to base consideration on other than your theories, and it’s not actually a surprise that no-one wants to do that.
I actually think there probably is other mentions of this by the Greens, which I would be interested to see. But I have zero interest in you mis-using their words and position like you have done here to further your own hobby horse. It’s fundamentally dishonest. Instead you could have put up your own ideas and stopped trying to beat the Greens with it. Until you know there is something to critique, there is nothing to critique apart from you not knowing.
ha ha! Perfect Robert, sounds wonderful all round. I just watched this short video last night, very industrial compared to a teepee, but the man had a through-provoking sensibility about living in small spaces and ones that are shared by different people over time.
I wasn’t meaning to snark, Antoine and I’m sorry my flippant comment read that way; I was trying to initiate an amusing sub-thread about inedible hats, but my attempt has gone as flat as a beret.
It’s well located, Pucky, in a place that James-style humour can’t easily reach. I did find yesterday’s theatre in the house entertaining though, and instructive. Fancy National pulling a swifty, aye! Who’d have thought??
Fantastic – put the boot into social investment and reveal it for what it is. I have previously called it Victorian moralising disguised by a gloss of science – and see no reason to change my mind.
Its base assumption is that the economic system is perfect but that some individuals are defective. A very nasty creed that has Bill’s pathological little hands all over it..
Was that mentioned in the G’G’s address to parliament today? If it was I must have miss it when I was skipping through her speech over at the scoop website.
It sounds like the Australian SAS are in spot of trouble with ADF Inspector General’s investigation and ADF JAG after a well known Aussie journalist release his book a about the SASR the Gan and from the sounds a few a sour grapes at one of the VC medal holders at what he may have done or may have not done along with a few knives being thrown around like a circus sideshow with someone hoping it may stick to somebody etc.
McMasters, hasn’t received the attention that old Nicky Hager got in NZ for his troubles as there was few articles about McMasters book in Oz newspaper and then went quite all of sudden.
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Bob Edlin writes – And what is the world watching today…? The email newsletter from Associated Press which landed in our mailbox early this morning advised: In the news today: The father of a school shooter has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter; prosecutors in Trump’s hush-money case ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Is another Green MP on their way out? And are the Greens severely tarnished by another integrity scandal? For the second time in three months, the Green Party has secretly suspended an MP over integrity issues. Mystery is surrounding the party’s decision to ...
For the last few years, the Green Party has been the party that has managed to avoid the plague of multiple scandals that have beleaguered other political parties. It appears that their luck has run out with a second scandal which, unfortunately for them, coincided with Golraz Ghahraman, the focus ...
TL;DR: The six newsey things that stood out to me as of 6:46am on Saturday, March 16.Andy Foster has accidentally allowed a Labour/Green amendment to cut road user chargers for plug-in hybrid vehicles, which the Government might accept; NZ HeraldThomas CoughlanSimeon Brown has rejected a plea from Westport ...
What seemed a booming success a couple of years ago has collapsed into fraud convictions.I looked at the crash of FTX (short for ‘Futures Exchange’) in November 2022 to see whether it would impact on the financial system as a whole. Fortunately there was barely a ripple, probably because it ...
Anybody following the situation in Ukraine and Russia would probably have been amused by a recent Tweet on X NATO seems to be putting in an awful lot of effort to influence what is, at least according to them, a sham election in an autocracy.When do the Ukrainians go to ...
TL;DR:Shaun Baker on Wynyard Quarter's transformation. Magdalene Taylor on the problem with smart phones. How private equity are now all over reinsurance. Dylan Cleaver on rugby and CTE. Emily Atkin on ‘Big Meat’ looking like ‘Big Oil’.Bernard’s six-stack of substacks at 6pm on March 15Photo by Jeppe Hove Jensen ...
Buzz from the Beehive Finance Minister Nicola Willis had plenty to say when addressing the Auckland Business Chamber on the economic growth that (she tells us) is flagging more than we thought. But the government intends to put new life into it: We want our country to be a ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee has reported back on the Road User Charges (Light Electric RUC Vehicles) Amendment Bill, basicly rubberstamping it. While there was widespread support among submitters for the principle that EV and PHEV drivers should pay their fair share for the roads, they also overwhelmingly disagreed with ...
Peter Dunne writes – This week’s government bailout – the fifth in the last eighteen months – of the financially troubled Ruapehu Alpine Lifts company would have pleased many in the central North Island ski industry. The government’s stated rationale for the $7 million funding was that it ...
See if you can spot the difference. An Iranian born female MP from a progressive party is accused of serial shoplifting. Her name is leaked to the media, which goes into a pack frenzy even before the Police launch an … Continue reading → ...
Ele Ludemann writes – The government is omitting general Treaty references from legislation : The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last Government in a bid to get greater coherence in the public service on Treaty ...
What was that judge thinking?Peter Williams writes – That Golriz Ghahraman and District Court Judge Maria Pecotic were once lawyer colleagues is incontrovertible. There is published evidence that they took at least one case to the Court of Appeal together. There was a report on ...
TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read:Climate Scorpion – the sting is in the tail. Introducing planetary solvency. A paper via the University of Exeter’s Institute and Faculty of Actuaries.Local scoop:Kāinga Ora starts pulling out of its Auckland projects and selling land RNZ ...
Wellington’s massively upzoned District Plan adds the opportunity for tens of thousands of new homes not just in the central city (such as these Webb St new builds) but also close to the CBD and public transport links. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Wellington gave itself the chance of ...
It’s Friday and we’re halfway through March Madness. Here’s some of the things that caught our attention this week. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt asked how we can get better event trains and an option for grade separating Morningside Dr. On Tuesday Matt looked into ...
Something you might not know about me is that I’m quite a stubborn person. No, really. I don’t much care for criticism I think’s unfair or that I disagree with. Few of us do I suppose.Back when I was a drinker I’d sometimes respond defensively, even angrily. There are things ...
Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote and spoke about via The Kākā and elsewhere for paying subscribers in the last week included:PM Christopher Luxon said the reversal of interest deductibility for landlords was done to help renters, who ...
It was not so much the Labour Party but really the Chris Hipkins party yesterday at Labour’s caucus retreat in Martinborough. The former Prime Minister was more or less consistent on wealth tax, which he was at best equivocal about, and social insurance, which he was not willing to revisit. ...
Buzz from the BeehiveThe text reproduced above appears on a page which records all the media statements and speeches posted on the government’s official website by Melissa Lee as Minister of Media and Communications and/or by Jenny Marcroft, her Parliamentary Under-secretary. It can be quickly analysed ...
For forty years, Robert Muldoon has been a dirty word in our politics. His style of government was so repulsive and authoritarian that the backlash to it helped set and entrench our constitutional norms. His pig-headedness over forcing through Think Big eventually gave us the RMA, with its participation and ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Is the new government reducing tax on rental properties to benefit landlords or to cut the cost of rents? That’s the big question this week, after Associate Finance Minister David Seymour announced on Sunday that the Government would be reversing the Labour Government’s removal ...
Saudi Arabia is rarely far from the international spotlight. The war in Gaza has brought new scrutiny to Saudi plans to normalise relations with Israel, while the fifth anniversary of the controversial killing of Jamal Khashoggi was marked shortly before the war began on October 7. And as the home ...
Questions need to be asked on both sides of the worldPeter Williams writes – The NRL Judiciary hands down an eight week suspension to Sydney Roosters forward Spencer Leniu , an Auckland-born Samoan, after he calls Ezra Mam, Sydney-orn but of Aboriginal and Torres Strait ...
Ele Ludemann writes – Contrary to what many headlines and news stories are saying, residential landlords are not getting a tax break. The government is simply restoring to them the tax deductibility of interest they had until the previous government removed it. There is no logical reason ...
I can't remember when it was goodMoments of happiness in bloomMaybe I just misunderstoodAll of the love we left behindWatching our flashbacks intertwineMemories I will never findIn spite of whatever you becomeForget that reckless thing turned onI think our lives have just begunI think our lives have just begunDoes anyone ...
Michael Bassett writes – At first reading, a front-page story in the New Zealand Herald on 13 March was bizarre. A group of severely intellectually limited teenagers, with little understanding of the law, have been pleading to the Justice Select Committee not to pass a bill dealing with ram ...
How much political capital is Christopher Luxon willing to burn through in order to deliver his $2.9 billion gift to landlords? Evidently, Luxon is: (a) unable to cost the policy accurately. As Anna Burns-Francis pointed out to him on Breakfast TV, the original ”rock solid” $2.1 billion cost he was ...
TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read:Jonathon Porritt calling bullshit in his own blog post on mainstream climate science as ‘The New Denialism’.Local scoop:The Wellington City Council’s list of proposed changes to the IHP recommendations to be debated later today was leaked this ...
TL;DR:Prime Minister Christopher Luxon said yesterday tenants should be grateful for the reinstatement of interest deductibility because landlords would pass on their lower tax costs in the form of lower rents. That would be true if landlords were regulated monopolies such as Transpower or Auckland Airport1, but they’re not, ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Tom Toro Tom Toro is a cartoonist and author. He has published over 200 cartoons in The New Yorker since 2010. His cartoons appear in Playboy, the Paris Review, the New York Times, American Bystander, and elsewhere. Related: What 10 EV lovers ...
The business section of the NZ Herald is full of opinion. Among the more opinionated of all is the ex-Minister of Transport, ex-Minister of Railways, ex MP for Auckland Central (1975-93, Labour), Wellington Central (1996-99, ACT, then list-2005), ex-leader of the ACT Party, uncle to actor Antonia, the veritable granddaddy ...
Hi,Just quickly — I’m blown away by the stories you’ve shared with me over the last week since I put out the ‘Gary’ podcast, where I told you about the time my friend’s flatmate killed the neighbour.And you keep telling me stories — in the comments section, and in my ...
The first season of Rings of Power was not awful. It was thoroughly underwhelming, yes, and left a lingering sense of disappointment, but it was more expensive mediocrity than catastrophe. I wrote at length about the series as it came out (see the Review section of the blog, and go ...
Buzz from the Beehive Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden told Auckland Business Chamber members they were the first audience to hear her priorities as a minister in a government committed to cutting red tape and regulations. She brandished her liberalising credentials, saying Flexible labour markets are the ...
Chris Trotter writes – TO UNDERSTAND WHY NEWSHUB FAILED, it is necessary to understand how TVNZ changed. Up until 1989, the state broadcaster had been funded by a broadcasting licence fee, collected from every citizen in possession of a television set, supplemented by a relatively modest (compared ...
Bob Edlin writes – The Māori Party has been busy issuing a mix of warnings and threats as its expresses its opposition to interest deductibility for landlords and the plans of seabed miners. It remains to be seen whether they follow the example of indigenous litigants in Australia, ...
The Government has accepted Labour’s change to the Road User Charge (RUC) discount for hybrid vehicles, meaning there will still be some incentive for people to buy greener vehicles. ...
Kicking the most vulnerable people out of state housing and pushing them towards homelessness will result in a proliferation of poverty and trauma across our most vulnerable communities. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader and MP for Waiariki, Rawiri Waititi has penned a letter asking MPs to support his members bill to remove GST from all food. The bill is expected to go through its first reading in parliament this Wednesday. “I’m calling on all political parties to support my ...
This year is about getting real with Kiwis and discussing the tough issues, as the National Government exacerbates inequality and divides New Zealand, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said ...
The Government adding Significant Natural Areas (SNAs) to its already roaring environmental policy bonfire is an assault on the future of wildlife that makes Aotearoa unique. ...
After 12 years of fighting to protect our moana we are finding ourselves back at square one and back at court. Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is sitting in Hawera to reconsider an application from Trans-Tasman Resources to dig up 50 million tonnes of the seabed in South Taranaki. This ...
Minister Shane Jones’ decision to step away from a seabed mining project is evidence of the murky waters surrounding the Government’s fast-track legislation. ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The Coalition Government’s miscalculation saga continues as it has forgotten an eyewatering $90 million gap in its interest deductibility cost figures, say Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds and Revenue Spokesperson Deborah Russell. ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has today released advice that says if the Government doesn’t act now New Zealand is at risk of not meeting its climate goals. ...
The Coalition Government has today confirmed it is abandoning first home buyers who are struggling to get ahead, says Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds. ...
The New Zealand public voted for a change in direction at the 2023 general election and that is exactly what this coalition government has been delivering in its first 100 days. There was an immediate focus on the economy, easing the cost of living, cracking down on law and order ...
The Government has left the health system as an afterthought, announcing half-baked targets at the last minute of their 100-day plan, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
Kiwis are still waiting for their promised cost of living support after 100 days of a National Government that is taking us backwards, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
100 days of National taking NZ backwardsThe National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
The Government must commit to funding free and healthy school lunches, as thousands of people sign the petition to keep them, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti says. ...
If the Government was serious about moving families into public housing, they would build more houses so there is actually somewhere for people to go. ...
The free and healthy school lunches programme feeds our kids, helps them to learn, and saves families money – but it is at risk under this Government, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
The Government’s proposed changes to Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPO) add almost nothing new and are merely an attempt to distract from its plans to loosen gun laws, police spokesperson Ginny Andersen and justice spokesperson Dr Duncan Webb said. ...
The great Victorian era English politician Lord Macauley stood in the British House of Parliament and said, "The gallery in which the reporters sit has become a fourth estate of the realm".He understood and outlined even way back then, the significant role and influence media have in a democracy. ...
The government’s attack on Māori health this week is committing tangata-whenua to a premature death, says Te Pāti Māori. “The government have begun their onslaught on Māori health with the abolishment of the Māori Health Authority and smokefree laws in the same day” said health spokesperson and co-leader, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. ...
"The Government is moving quickly to realise an additional $46 million in tariff savings in the EU market this season for Kiwi exporters,” Minister for Trade and Agriculture, Todd McClay says. Parliament is set, this week, to complete the final legislative processes required to bring the New Zealand – European ...
New Zealand’s social workers are qualified, experienced, and more representative of the communities they serve, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “I want to acknowledge and applaud New Zealand’s social workers for the hard work they do, providing invaluable support for our most vulnerable. “To coincide with World ...
Cabinet has agreed to a reduced road user charge (RUC) rate for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. Owners of PHEVs will be eligible for a reduced rate of $38 per 1,000km once all light electric vehicles (EVs) move into the RUC system from 1 April. ...
Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd McClay, says that today’s opening of Riverland Foods manufacturing plant in Christchurch is a great example of how trade access to overseas markets creates jobs in New Zealand. Speaking at the official opening of this state-of-the-art pet food factory the Minister noted that exports ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Wellington today. “It was a pleasure to host Foreign Minister Wang Yi during his first official visit to New Zealand since 2017. Our discussions were wide-ranging and enabled engagement on many facets of New Zealand’s relationship with China, including trade, ...
Kāinga Ora – Homes & Communities has been instructed to end the Sustaining Tenancies Framework and take stronger measures against persistent antisocial behaviour by tenants, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Earlier today Finance Minister Nicola Willis and I sent an interim Letter of Expectations to the Board of Kāinga Ora. ...
Tēna koutou katoa. Greetings everyone. Thank you to the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the Honourable Simon Bridges for hosting this address today. I acknowledge the business leaders in this room, the leaders and governors, the employers, the entrepreneurs, the investors, and the wealth creators. The coalition Government shares your ...
Minister Winston Peters completed the final leg of his visit to South and South East Asia in Singapore today, where he focused on enhancing one of New Zealand’s indispensable strategic partnerships. “Singapore is our most important defence partner in South East Asia, our fourth-largest trading partner and a ...
Minister of Internal Affairs and Workplace Relations and Safety, Hon. Brooke van Velden, will travel to the Republic of Korea to represent New Zealand at the Third Summit for Democracy on 18 March. The summit, hosted by the Republic of Korea, was first convened by the United States in 2021, ...
ICNZ Speech 7 March 2024, Auckland Acknowledgements and opening Mōrena, ngā mihi nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Good morning, it’s a privilege to be here to open the ICNZ annual conference, thank you to Mark for the Mihi Whakatau My thanks to Tim Grafton for inviting me ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Lead Coordination Minister Judith Collins have expressed their deepest sympathy on the five-year anniversary of the Christchurch terror attacks. “March 15, 2019, was a day when families, communities and the country came together both in sorrow and solidarity,” Mr Luxon says. “Today we pay our respects to the 51 shuhada ...
Speech for Financial Advice NZ Conference 5 March 2024 Acknowledgements and opening Morena, Nga Mihi Nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Thanks Nate for your Mihi Whakatau Good morning. It’s a pleasure to formally open your conference this morning. What a lovely day in Wellington, What a great ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters held discussions in Jakarta today about the future of relations between New Zealand and South East Asia’s most populous country. “We are in Jakarta so early in our new government’s term to reflect the huge importance we place on our relationship with Indonesia and South ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters has announced that the Foreign Minister of China, Wang Yi, will visit New Zealand next week. “We look forward to re-engaging with Foreign Minister Wang Yi and discussing the full breadth of the bilateral relationship, which is one of New Zealand’s ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today opened the new Auckland Rail Operations Centre, which will bring together KiwiRail, Auckland Transport, and Auckland One Rail to improve service reliability for Aucklanders. “The recent train disruptions in Auckland have highlighted how important it is KiwiRail and Auckland’s rail agencies work together to ...
The Government is proud to support the 10th edition of Crankworx Rotorua as the Crankworx World Tour returns to Rotorua from 16-24 March 2024, says Minister for Economic Development Melissa Lee. “Over the past 10 years as Crankworx Rotorua has grown, so too have the economic and social benefits that ...
Legislation implementing coalition Government tax commitments and addressing long-standing tax anomalies will be progressed in Parliament next week, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The legislation is contained in an Amendment Paper to the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill issued today. “The Amendment Paper represents ...
Associate Environment Minister Andrew Hoggard has today announced that the Government has agreed to suspend the requirement for councils to comply with the Significant Natural Areas (SNA) provisions of the National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity for three years, while it replaces the Resource Management Act (RMA).“As it stands, SNAs ...
Agriculture Minister Todd McClay has classified the drought conditions in the Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts as a medium-scale adverse event, acknowledging the challenging conditions facing farmers and growers in the district. “Parts of Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts are in the grip of an intense dry spell. I know ...
The Government is helping farmers eradicate the significant impact of facial eczema (FE) in pastoral animals, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “A $20 million partnership jointly funded by Beef + Lamb NZ, the Government, and the primary sector will save farmers an estimated NZD$332 million per year, and aims to ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has completed a successful visit to India, saying it was an important step in taking the relationship between the two countries to the next level. “We have laid a strong foundation for the Coalition Government’s priority of enhancing New Zealand-India relations to generate significant future benefit for both countries,” says Mr Peters, ...
Cabinet has agreed to provide $7 million to ensure the 2024 ski season can go ahead on the Whakapapa ski field in the central North Island but has told the operator Ruapehu Alpine Lifts it is the last financial support it will receive from taxpayers. Cabinet also agreed to provide ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Lower fruit and vegetable prices are welcome news for New Zealanders who have been doing it tough at the supermarket, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. Stats NZ reported today the price of fruit and vegetables has dropped 9.3 percent in the 12 months to February 2024. “Lower fruit and vege ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the sixty-eighth session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the 68th session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
The coalition Government is supporting farmers to enhance land management practices by investing $3.3 million in locally led catchment groups, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “Farmers and growers deliver significant prosperity for New Zealand and it’s vital their ongoing efforts to improve land management practices and water quality are supported,” ...
Good evening everyone and thank you for that lovely introduction. Thank you also to the Honourable Simon Bridges for the invitation to address your members. Since being sworn in, this coalition Government has hit the ground running with our 100-day plan, delivering the changes that New Zealanders expect of us. ...
Recommendations from the Climate Change Commission for New Zealand on the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) auction and unit limit settings for the next five years have been tabled in Parliament, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “The Commission provides advice on the ETS annually. This is the third time the ...
The coalition Government is beginning its fight to lower building costs and reduce red tape by exempting minor building work from paying the building levy, says Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk. “Currently, any building project worth $20,444 including GST or more is subject to the building levy which is ...
Proposed changes to tax legislation to prevent the over-taxation of low-earning trusts are welcome, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The changes have been recommended by Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee following consideration of submissions on the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill. “One of the ...
Assalaamu alaikum. السَّلَام عليكم In light of the holy month of Ramadan, I want to extend my warmest wishes to our Muslim community in New Zealand. Ramadan is a time for spiritual reflection, renewed devotion, perseverance, generosity, and forgiveness. It’s a time to strengthen our bonds and appreciate the diversity ...
Former Transport Minister and CEO of the Auckland Business Chamber Hon Simon Bridges has been appointed as the new Board Chair of the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) for a three-year term, Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced today. “Simon brings extensive experience and knowledge in transport policy and governance to the role. He will ...
Good morning all, it is a pleasure to be here as Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology. It is fantastic to see how connected and collaborative the life science and biotechnology industry is here in New Zealand. I would like to thank BioTechNZ and NZTech for the invitation to address ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says he is looking forward to the day when three key water projects in Northland are up and running, unlocking the full potential of land in the region. Mr Jones attended a community event at the site of the Otawere reservoir near Kerikeri on Friday. ...
Associate Finance Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government has agreed to restore deductibility for mortgage interest on residential investment properties. “Help is on the way for landlords and renters alike. The Government’s restoration of interest deductibility will ease pressure on rents and simplify the tax code,” says ...
Sport and Recreation Minister Chris Bishop will travel to Switzerland today to attend an Executive Committee meeting and Symposium of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Mr Bishop will then travel on to London where he will attend a series of meetings in his capacity as Infrastructure Minister. “New Zealanders believe ...
Pacific Media Watch Ismail al-Ghoul, an Al Jazeera Arabic correspondent who was held for 12 hours at Gaza’s al-Shifa hospital, says Israeli forces rounded up Palestinian journalists at the facility and made them kneel on the ground for hours, while naked and blindfolded. “The occupation forces handcuffed and blindfolded us ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tony Wood, Program Director, Energy, Grattan Institute chinasong, Shutterstock Electricity customers in four Australian states can breathe a sigh of relief. After two years in a row of 20% price increases, power prices have finally stabilised. In many places they’re ...
Chumbawamba have reportedly issued the deputy PM a cease-and-desist notice after he used their song 'Tubthumping' before his state of the nation speech. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Deborah Lupton, SHARP Professor, Vitalities Lab, Centre for Social Research in Health and Social Policy Centre, and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Automated Decision-Making and Society, UNSW Sydney kitzcorner/Shutterstock The assertion from Queensland’s chief health officer John Gerrard that ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Martin, Visiting Fellow, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University Shutterstock Why are musicians so keen to get played on the radio? It can’t be because of the money. In Australia they are paid at rates so low they ...
"Farmers make a point not to tell our urban cousins how to live, yet Chlöe from central Auckland is hell-bent on having her say about farmers," says ACT Rural Communities spokesman Mark Cameron. “On her first day in the House as Green ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards – Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. It’s been a tumultuous time in politics in recent months, as the new National-led Government has driven through its “First 100 Day programme”. During this period there’s been a handful of opinion polls, which overall just ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tim Curran, Associate Professor of Ecology, Lincoln University, New Zealand Getty Images/Gerald Corsi In the latest move to reform environmental laws in New Zealand, the coalition government has introduced a bill to fast-track consenting processes for projects deemed to ...
Uber has argued it does not have as much control over drivers as the unions suggest, and wants a judgment ruling that drivers are employees and not contractors set aside and sent back to the Employment Court. The 2022 ruling followed a three-week hearing in which four drivers sought to ...
What can and can’t be purchased by disabled people or their carers has been slashed in an effort by the Ministry of Disabled People Whaikaha to save money. The purchasing guidelines, a set of rules that sets out what can be purchased using the various streams of Government disability funding, ...
The Treasury has published today a new Analytical Note by Tod Wright and Hien Nguyen, Fiscal incidence in New Zealand: The effects of taxes and benefits on household incomes in tax year 2018/19 . Analyses of the distributional impact of taxation and government ...
The Treasury has published today a new Analytical Note by Cory Davis, Boston Hart and Benjamin Stubbing, Household cost-of-living impacts from the Emissions Trading Scheme and using transfers to mitigate regressive outcomes . This Analytical Note ...
A coalition of public transport and climate organisations, united as ‘Transport for All’, is actively opposing the government’s transport proposals. The draft Government Policy Statement (GPS) includes plans for higher fares for public transport, ...
Greater Wellington is inviting feedback on proposed changes to its Revenue and Financing Policy. The Revenue and Financing Policy covers the Council’s various sources of funding, and how the cost of services is shared across the region. This includes ...
Labour has conceded it could have done more to deal with disruptive state housing tenants while in government but says the current coalition is going too far. ...
The band has asked their record label to issue a cease and desist to stop the NZ First leader using their 1997 hit to support his ‘misguided political views’. “I get knocked down, but I get up again,” blared through the speakers on Sunday as Winston Peters took the stage ...
By Lydia Lewis, RNZ Pacific journalist Food rationing is underway in remote areas in Papua New Guinea’s Highlands following torrential rain and flash flooding. More than 20 people have been reported dead in Chimbu Province. In nearby Enga Province, the centre of last month’s massacre, a 15-year-old boy has been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Hughes, Lecturer, Research School of Management, Australian National University After months of debate and intrigue, the AFL’s 19th and newest team, the Tasmania Devils, finally launched its jumper, logo and colours in Devonport this week. The Devils will wear green, ...
Brannavan Gnanalingam reviews the debut novel by Saraid de Silva.One of the most baffling things for children who move to a new country is what their parents’ (or grandparents’) lives were like prior to moving – for kids in particular, they’re too busy trying to fit in in their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Gaunson, Associate Professor in Cinema Studies, RMIT University Narelle Portanier/Binge “If you don’t know who your mob are, you don’t know who you are,” Detective Andrea “Andie” Whitford (played by Leah Purcell) is told early into the new crime ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elise Klein, Associate professor, Australian National University It’s commonly accepted that women do the vast majority of caregiving in Australian society. But less appreciated is that Indigenous women do larger amounts of unpaid care than any other group. Working with the Aboriginal ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne Joe Biden and Donald Trump have both secured their parties’ nominations for the November 5 United States general election by winning a ...
Comment: There has been a striking contrast in trans-Tasman interest about Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi’s visit to New Zealand and Australia. While the Australian press has been full of articles about the visit – including his curious decision to meet with former prime minister and China booster Paul Keating ...
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Have a great day all!
Yeah stay safe folks it’s been smashing down overnight my ways. Extra care required on our shockingly maintained state highways.
Councils aren’t much better with theirs but they get away with it more by no carrying the oversized trucks as much.
You too Nick 🙂
Up in Auckland I looked out of the window this morning at a vertical river of water. After I read the news about down country wind speed this morning I decided that this was a good day to not to ride my bike to work…
After yesterday’s adoption of the Republican’s tricks by the National Party, no prisoners.
Don’t bother with the niceties of select committees, drive the laws under urgency.
Bridge and Joyce and the Nats have shown they’ll play dirty, just take them out of the picture.
It’d only be fair given their disdain of select committees and overuse of urgency to slam shoddy legislation through over the last 9 years.
Not that fair has any meaning to national, the party of entitled rules breakers, cronyism and sociopaths.
No prisoners.
The bottom line here is Labour were idiots. They trusted National to keep it’s word without making sure if they didn’t they could win a vote.
Still, hopefully lesson learned. Now to teach National a lesson – I would renege on the deal made in the house yesterday to increase select committee numbers. Deals made under threat of blackmail have no force.
The bottom line here is Labour were idiots.
Yes they were duped, but they’re the victim of National’s bluff … labeling them idiots for accepting National’s prior assurance of support for Mallard’s election, an assurance they promptly reneged on for a breathtakingly hypocritical partisan purpose … deflects from the real idiots here.
Nor as the media portrayed was it a question of the Govt not knowing it’s numbers; the members absent all had prior permission from the House. But what Hipkins could not have known in advance was that Bridges would so comprehensively break with convention and use this to try and force a vote for the Speaker.
It is my understanding the Speaker is normally elected unopposed as a gesture of respect for their non-partisan role. (Maybe someone can inform us if such an election has ever been forced or threatened in the past?) This was a highly confrontational break, signalling right from the outset National will offer no respect for the role of Speaker. This is going to have seriously disruptive consequences as the session proceeds; Mallard will not forget this in a hurry, trust has been badly dented here.
If the vote had gone against Mallard, it would in practical terms have amounted to a vote of no confidence in the Govt. It is of course one thing to have legitimate numbers to pull such a vote, but failing to reveal that National too lacked the numbers, also due to absence, to claim they could win such a vote in these circumstances was a gross deception.
Essentially Bridges blackmailed the Govt into accepting a deal extorted under false pretences. There are several options, one is to refer Bridge’s blackmail and extortion to the Privileges Committee. I think he should be removed from Parliament. And secondly I agree Adern should harden up and simply repudiate a deal made in bad faith.
When faced with a Republican Party set on the same course of obdurate obstruction, Obama made the fatal error of continuing to seek consensus and cross party support. That merely saw him depicted as weak. Failing to learn that lesson really would make Labour idiots.
+1
+100 RedLogix. English, Bridges, Joyce, Collins Bennett, Brownlee, Barry etc etc they are as nasty and duplicitous group of people as you could ever find.
The odd thing is that National appears to believe they can get elected next time with the same bunch-no chance. So let them continue to play these silly games-the public will see through it.
Yep bearded git,
National are compulsive liars;
That has always been their tool to push conyism changes for their own paid lobbyists.
National are not trustworthy that is simply ther truth and Labour coalition must force ‘urgent legislation’ to pass all those promised changes agreed to under all policies that the coalition partners had deliberately all agreed to.
For HB/Gisborne; we need our regional rail freight/passenger service back after a five year wait, as all three parties promised in their ‘policies’ and in the three local papers also.
Hipkins nominated mallard against carter for speaker. So your understanding is wrong.
A selectively incomplete statement. Yes another candidate may be nominated by the Opposition, but in practice I understand that the House always allows the Govt candidate to be ‘elected unopposed’. This is an important convention, one that gives respect to the non-partisan role of the Speaker.
It’s my reading that National gave the usual prior assurance this would be the case, and then reneged on it for a partisan point score.
Unfortunately, it is not actually correct that in practice the House always allows the Govt candidate to be elected unopposed.
In Jan 2013 when the seat became vacant due to Lockwood Smith leaving to be High Commissioner to London, Mallard was nominated by Labour in opposition to the then Govt’s nomination of David Carter
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8246741/Carter-elected-Speaker-of-the-House
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/labour-nominate-mallard-speaker
Also, after the 2014 general election, Ron Mark was also nominated as well as David Carter as National’s nomination.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/features-pre-2016/document/00NZPHomeNews201410201/election-and-confirmation-of-speaker#RelatedAnchor
I also think there have been other instances, but don’t have the time to check.
Having said that, thanks for your excellent comment at 2.2.1. Best summation of the situation I have seen IMHO.
Ta. Helpful context.
Due to Lockwood Smith being removed for being even handed. FIFY
Nothing to do with whether or not in practice the House always allows the Govt candidate to be elected unopposed.
Nonetheless a reasonable response to a suggestion Speaker became vacant so Lockwood could go to London when it seems the reverse might have been true.
Spot on RL.
Both need to be done ASAP. We need our new government to show that we’re not going to put up with National’s lies any more.
Gingrich, the architect of obdurate obstruction.
https://www.thenation.com/article/how-newt-gingrich-crippled-congress/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm
A solid linky as always joe. It makes for a grim read though; it’s all material I think most of us would have been aware of at some point, but to see it all in one place is sobering.
And on re-reading it I have to cut and paste this para:
The only issue is that National were following the precedent set by Labour in 2014 when they challenged David Clark being elected as Speaker.
Sauce has to be good for the goose as well as the gander.
Yes to all of this.
I bet Labour will follow Obama’s disastrous naivety instead.
Sadly I have to agree. The problem is they will be damned either way, branded weak if they seek consensus and compromise, labelled negative and ‘anti-democratic’ if they play hard ball.
Obama’s situation had parallels to that of Len Brown. He was a president of the left with a right wing congress who had the majority, making it very difficult for him. The coalition government and its support partner has a majority. If national farts around too much they have the power to call urgency or rule by executive order. Nope the situations are not the same.
The situations are not the same, and yet the desire to appease the National Party persists.
After Oravida, and Cameron Slater, and Simon Lusk, and Jason Ede, and “pretty legal”, and Morally Whitney, and the attacks on human rights and the rule of law, and <ithe last nine years, the NZLP is still prepared to touch Simon Bridges’ hand, nay, not just to touch, but to shake.
The National Party is an existential threat to the citizens of this country, and that’s the way the government should treat them.
It is not like National has no history of lying. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
What is the evidence Nats agreed to support Mallard ? Have they denied it?
I know it’s an oddity unseen in 7 years in parliament, but a resourceful and capable opposition holding the government to account is one of the fundamental underpinnings of the westminster parliament. It helps prevents governments abusing their entrenched powers or further entrenching them.
Advocating that Labour led government should just ignore these conventions and react badly because the National opposition are doing their job kind of makes anyone who supported Labour and pals as they were more honest than National a hypocrite.
I know it’s an oddity unseen in 7 years in parliament, but a resourceful and capable opposition holding the government to account is one of the fundamental underpinnings of the westminster parliament.
You’ve lost me there; on exactly what point of principle was National “holding the government to account” here?
The one where they gave an assurance of support for the Speaker, but reneged on it?
The one where they claimed to have the numbers to effectively force a vote of no confidence, but didn’t?
Or the one where they used the resulting confusion (a standard conman technique) to bluff their way into repudiating a deal they themselves had proposed, and voted for unaminously, while they were in govt?
Otherwise exactly what was your point?
So the government isn’t capable of governing while the opposition is being very capable of being opposition
Ask me again where i’ve lost you?
You claimed National was merely doing it’s job ‘holding the government to account’. I’m curious to know how you thought this was being achieved by this silly farce.
The opposition has negotiated more places for itself on select committee’s.
The opposition has traded it’s symbolic vote for speaker of the house for real power in the engine room. So not merely doing it’s job, forcing the government to understand there is a real opposition now. not the half baked one of the last 7 years.
You may consider it a silly farce, but it’s important the forms and rituals of parliament are observed. They are there for all members benefit, so it’s probably best the government gets on top of them.
The opposition has negotiated more places for itself on select committee’s.
Again selectively leaving out the critical information. It’s like stealing your wallet at the point of a gun and calling it a ‘negotiation’. Cute but not impressive.
but it’s important the forms and rituals of parliament are observed.
Which in this instance National clear shat all over. If they had any genuine concerns over numbers, the correct place was to bring it up in the Business Committee which is where Parliament deals with these things expiditiously.
It is absolutely routine for members to be absent for all manner of good reasons, and in order to ensure orderly governance there is established procedure to ensure this does not cause disruption. Or enable opportunist scams as we saw yesterday.
IF Nats said they would support Mallard and then withdrew that promise to action the SC plan are you ok with that?
Trouble is Tracey (and others), Hipkins said yesterday that Labour had no explicit agreement from National that they would support Mallard unopposed. He said that Labour had approached the Nats with a proposal to have Mallard as Speaker and Tolley as deputy, but he didn’t say in that video interview I saw (I think it may have been on Stuff) how or even if National ever actually accepted that deal in a formal way. He added that another time he would make sure he got such a specific assurance given what happened yesterday. So Hipkins confirmed there was no withdrawal of a specific promise from the Nats.
They, and particularly Bridges, simply made Labour look like fools with a very clever tactic, whether we like it or not. Even Bryce Edwards says as much today, explicitly, and he is no Nats fan in any way. We need to just suck it up, hope Labour learn from it, and not underestimate the bloody Nats. They have shown they will be formidable in opposition. In my opinion that means a top class performance will be needed from all of Labour, Greens, and NZF, every single day, not us moaning about the Nats just doing their job in opposition.
Even accepting informally is acceptance which they then went back on.
Yes, such performance is needed but National aren’t doing their job as they’re lying and misleading.
Then I stand by my comment yesterday that Chippy is incompetent and as a senior MP and former party whip this is inexcusable.
National weren’t opposing – they were lying and should thus be fully removed from parliament.
Your comment suggest that you don’t believe in democracy DB. You sound like a poor loser who prefers dictatorship rather than democracy because your team got outwitted.
In a democratic parliament oppositions oppose using whatever tactics are legitimately available to them.
There was nothing illegitimate let alone illegal about yesterday’s events. It came about though negligence and poor management by labour, which led to them being out maneuvered.
It can be argued that Hipkens created the situation in the first place by trying to deny National their democratic right to be fully represented on parliamentary committees in accordance with their percentage of the vote.
I believe and support democracy. National, by their actions and lies, have just proven that they don’t. Your support of National’s immoral actions prove that you don’t either.
Lying is not a legitimate tactic in a democracy – ever.
Wrong. National said that they would do one thing and then did another. In a democracy and, in fact, any working society trust is essential and National just proved that they cannot be trusted.
As I understand it there was still going to be proper representation on those boards. It was even a National Party initiative.
Politicians lie all the time; unfortunately. They frequently call it spin. Even Saint Jacinda lies/spins. Look at her effort yesterday trying to justify her shambolic management of parliament. Hipkens continued the desperate lieing/spinning on Morning Report earlier today. Even Espinor was left incredulous by his remarkable and audacious spin effort.
I’m sure you know all this and you’re just being cute DB.
That is no reason to accept it but a very good reason to make it illegal.
That’s what laws are supposed to do – limit immoral behaviour.
There was nothing illegitimate let alone illegal about yesterday’s events.
That depends. If the Nats agreed to elect the speaker unanimously, as some have suggested, their going back on the deal might cause them some Privileges Committee type problems.
I question the wisdom of going down that road, but the possibility remains.
If your glorious leaders really intend to go full Tea Party I can see the government having to be a bit more forceful. “Hardball with spikes” as Matthew Whitehead put it.
But I think the real punishment would be delivered by the electorate. So please, National Party, be true to your values. The real ones, not the ones you pay lip service to.
Hipkins was suggesting the SC arrangement brought in by Bridges SC pre election. FIFY
Splendid exposition of National’s modus operendi – thanks very much!
You seem to have forgotten Gerrys multiple bulnders as House Leader.
Lol not at all. it was about the only time the opposition looked competent then too.
At what point is playing silly little boy dick waving games, part of “holding the Government to account”?
I know this will really pass right over your head, but if the opposition had been halfway competent during the last national government, do you think you have had as much to complain about as you did?
“Dick waving games” you may think that are. Fascination with phallic symbols and metaphors is very immature though.
Holding the governments feet to the fire is the job of an opposition. Just because the previous lot sucked at it doesn’t mean this lot should
Obviously you have no clue about ethics, responsibility and honesty. But why should we expect any better from National.
After all lying, bad faith, playing silly games and treating parliament like a pissing contest, has been a feature of the last nine years.
What’ll be their next masterstroke tuppy, withdrawing pairs with no notice?
Good heavens! a Stuff OP from John Minto – critical of capitalism, in praise of socialism:
The comments to that OP are most revealing.
Very revealing Incognito! If you have something to loose, shoot the messenger. Some mean people on Stuff.
So National needed the Spy That Lied, ( the very definition of a spy ) to attempt an advantage.
The left need to go hard on this illegitimate imposter.
the very definition of a spy
Spying is a humanitarian act.
The interesting thing about those comments, all so blithely assuming capitalism is superior to communism, are overlooking the rise, rise and rise of China. While a large part of that rapid rise to global dominance is because it sought an intelligent balance with market mechanisms to build it’s economy; socially and politically it remains at core a communist state.
Assuming capitalism won because the USSR collapsed may yet turn out to be a premature call.
China communist at core? Hmm, not a description I’d ever use.
Politically it’s closer to totalitarianism than anything else.
Economically it has elements of a planned economy and elements of crony capitalism. The planned economy/crony capitalism aspect has worked well-ish for them in spurring massive economic growth. Which I suspect is a result of choosing leaders that have been trained in technical professions.
Socially they appear to be working towards providing the kinds of protections we take for granted (even after 9 years of Nats trying to brutalise them). Bet their successes are patchy, overall they’re in the “yet to achieve” category.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/apr/23/china-welfare-system-inflexible-unfair
Go back and reconsider Xi Jinpeng’s 3 1/2 hr speech to the CCCP Congress this year.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/18/xi-jinping-speech-new-era-chinese-power-party-congress
In essence the West started post WW2 from a position of a balance between capital and social interests, and have staggered away from it. While China started with a gross imbalance towards socialism, and have progressed towards the balance we used to enjoy.
I don’t see anything in that article suggesting Xi has any plans to move towards true communism:
“In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, “common, universal”)[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state.[5][6]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
Didn’t spot anything suggesting any planned changes away from their mix of planned economy and crony capitalism. Why should they? It’s worked well for them.
The article suggests Xi intends strengthening the totalitarian aspects of their one-party rule:
“Xi was similarly uncompromising on China’s overall political model, offering no hint that democratic reform was on the horizon or that the party was considering loosening its grip on power. “No one political system should be regarded as the only choice and we should not just mechanically copy the political systems of other countries,” said Xi, who has overseen one of the most severe political chills in recent Chinese history. “The political system of socialism with Chinese characteristics is a great creation.” ”
It also suggests Xi wants to grab a slice of global leadership. That should be easy since the Trumputang seems determined to give away the leadership position the US had.
” Xi, who has sought to portray himself as a strong and stable international statesman since last year’s election of Donald Trump, also painted China as a responsible global power that was committed to tackling shared dangers such as climate change.
“No country alone can address the many challenges facing mankind. No country can afford to retreat into self-isolation,” he said. ”
Didn’t spot anything about any plans they have around improving welfare systems. But that is something they have been quietly improving as they have become wealthier.
I don’t see anything in that article suggesting Xi has any plans to move towards true communism:
My point above exactly. China is not being so successful because it is a ‘true’ socialist state, but because it has progressed towards a balance between socialism and capitalism. Like all human works it’s less than perfect; but manifestly working better than the West which has steadily walked away from socialism towards a purely rapacious capitalism.
Ok, I don’t see that we’re disagreeing on anything substantial about where China’s at.
But I’m still missing what you were trying to convey with that part of your initial comment at 3.1.2: ” … socially and politically it remains at core a communist state.”
Your quote would be easier to understand if you expanded it to include:
“it sought an intelligent balance with market mechanisms to build it’s economy; socially and politically it remains at core a communist state.”
And given they remain a one party state, I think it fair to claim their version of socialism is more communist than democratic.
Are you using the word communism in the caricature version used mostly as an epithet? As in, the USSR used to be called communist?
Because as I understand it, in political science circles, communism describes a social and political structure quite different to what was actually happening in states that called themselves (or were called) communist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
I think it no accident that both the USSR and China’s attempts rid their societies of markets and create a ‘pure socialist’ solution, both ended up in totalitarianism. (And yes I’m using the word ‘communism’ as a short-cut caricature in this context.)
Yes we might dream of a better world where this was not so, but every nation that has attempted either an imposed socialism (or an unconstrained capitalism for that matter) has ended in tears before bedtime.
Modern China made Capitalism work by initially charging 100% wealth taxes.
Not that I approve of the death penalty, even for kleptocrats. But they did get rid of the pernicious damage done by the power of generational wealth.
“Assuming capitalism won because the USSR collapsed may yet turn out to be a premature call.”
some of us bloody well hope so! and frankly the future of humanity comes down to ‘socialism or barbarism’
Jeepers an article from Minto that allows comments, he must be going soft in his old age
The Reserve Bank act at the moment is designed to stimulate our economy with its main focus being inflation . So when peoples trading slows they lower interest so cheaper money trading picks up this is good for people with money. But for people with out big money this is bad if one is unemployed it would be good for interest rates to go down to lower the mortgage service cost and create jobs.
In my view the way the ACT is setup now is to benefit big money and there is no consideration for people without money as these people are most likely to lose jobs( no stake in the business) and be servicing a mortgage , OUR economy can create economic activity without creating jobs the way it is set up now and this create more in equality . And yesterdays teething problem is nothing look at all the good new policy they are introducing Ka pai
@eco maori
Low interest rates help people with resources to buy housing, a relatively safe investment in these uncertain times. They also encourage people to spend rather than save. Consumerism itself is one of our biggest money swirlers. Retail spending is very important as the government has opened the doors wide to overseas goods,and our manufacturing has collapsed under the weight of world competition. So there has to spending and people encouraged to spend even if they are on low incomes with fewer jobs because of the lack of old-style
manufacturing for us, the people in NZ, rather than export. Our living conditions and life in general has been sacrificed to assist us to export, because that is where the big money is to be made, and the foreign baubles that we desire are sourced.
Many older people are more budget pressed than expected because of the low interest rates. Then they are encouraged to put money into shares some of which can earn a 9% dividend. But the government’s talk about people not saving forcing government to borrow overseas is just a subterfuge. There is an economic term called the Savings Paradox that draws attention to the fact that if too much money is withheld from the economy by saving, the economy is not stronger, but starts to diminish because too few people are buying anything.
That is now a feature in the world, many people/private equity firms/corporations have gained a huge proportion of the world’s finances and hold it in tax havens – they don’t need to worry much about interest rates on their holdings because they don’t have to pay tax on it. They just want the exchange rates to stay the same so their funds hold their buying value. But there is insufficient money available to people who want to buy basic things, and run small businesses.
The Paradox of Saving (or hoarding) affecting the world.
In NZ, many people are in poverty, or financially stressed, but conditions grow harder by the week. Government has introduced tough regulations on selling used electrical goods so that it is harder to find cheap second-hand ones, they become more expensive to repair and we are encouraged to buy new so making businesses profitable and keeping more money flowing. Each time you do something, buy or repair through a business the government gets a whole 15% adding to the total cost. Save your money and they take I think 17.5% minimum off your interest. Then there is income tax, user pays on government services.
It’s no wonder many people don’t vote, the government certainly isn’t interested in them, they pay the most tax as a proportion of their income which cuts down on their available money for basic needs. The wealthy may pay more in taxes, because of their higher earnings, and can pay it out of their pocket money, their funds for holidays, new car, new computer, furniture, expensive schooling with overseas trips etc.
However the government doesn’t want a happy stable economy with workers earning well, paying mortgages which is a sort of saving which therefore takes money out of the economy. They have time to do repairs and make things for themselves if they have stable employment with perhaps a day in the weekend off. If shops shut down for half a day even, so Sunday afternoon off, that cuts down on business activity, and government opportunity as middlemen, clipping the ticket. So people are taught to think of buying new rather than repairing old ones, and not encouraged to live simply and well with little debt beyond the mortgage. Even if people can’t afford new stuff, they can be induced by no interest offers, they can borrow on their credit card etc. for a while, but now we have an indebtedness rate of an average 161% of income. Saw that on one of the NZ links but can’t remember at moment.
A great analysis Grey
Wow. Great insights Grey. Thanks.
Thanks tracey and halfcrown
I think we all have trouble to see what is going on and don’t get the full picture of what swirls around us all day every day.
But someone who has the training in socio-economics? and wants to put the record straight about something please feel free. (Except 3steps – I’ve seen enough of him to think what a w….r – fill in the gaps with your favourite denigration.)
+100 GREYWARSHARK
+1
They set the reserve bank act like this because they were conned that what is good for big money is good for a society( NOT AT ALL) Kia Kaha
It’s good to see the rubber ring has finally been put on him Kia Kaha
You got It. I’m lucky with my mokos it’s different I come down to there level and talk and observe them all the time. I tell them what they are doing wrong and what there bad behaviour does to there sibling or whom ever. And the best part of mokos is we get them for 4 days tops and off home go they whew back to piece and quiet LOL Ka pai
To John day from the Rock I forgot to mention you well your a funny Kiwi bugger to m8 Ka pai
Gees I hate to see what happens when I fart lol my support I get from my tupuna is my code of conduct that I live by so as they will be proud of me. Those people can not help them selves got to spin everything which is what I expect from them. Kia kaha
prou
You no there favorite trick is to let down tyres bunch of kids Ka pai
O I forgot there is the help my Tupuna gave me and thats through my genetics many thanks to them Ka pai
Are you under the influence of something?
The wind here last night was fierce, fence to repair. Looks like we didn’t get hit as bad as some in our district.
If the wind is heading to yours and you have a trampoline you might want to flip it over so it doesn’t get airborne.
Cinny. Only tories own trampolines, please don’t pamper to them.
LOL, but RNZ Morning Report reported that some of the power outages in the top of the South Island were indeed caused by flying trampolines! So why should others suffer from tory trampolines.
At the least tory trolls like james can’t live under trampolines –if they blow away. Some consolation I suppose.
Have you noticed how the grass under trampolines dies slowly? Only to be replaced by rapacious weeds that invade everywhere else.
Still obsessed with me I see. You make me laugh.
Lmao, you crack me up Decrypter. Turned out a lefty friends tramp was found in the neighbouring orchard this morning, they were smiling as they told me, funny as.
Carter Page spills his guts on yet more Trump campaign-Russia contacts that weren’t public previously.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/carter-page-testimony-released/index.html
Some of his testimony is so nutso that even Trey Gowdy (yes, he of the Benghazi inquisitions) seems to go WTF??!
https://www.salon.com/2017/11/07/carter-pages-testimony-is-crazy-and-big-trouble-for-trump-camp/
Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
No. 4: Judith Collins
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9818950/Judith-Collins-comes-clean-about-dinner
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10442284/Judith-Collins-resigns-says-shes-a-victim
Shaking head …. might as well burn the Cabinet Manual.
Paddles dead. hit by a car .Bugger
NO! Unfortunately it appears to be true – Paddles was hit by a car and died on Tuesday. Confirmed by a spokesperson for the PM.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/jacinda-ardern-s-cat-paddles-has-died-after-being-hit-by-car.amp.html
Also https://twitter.com/FirstCatofNZ
Collins and Slater doing a drive by!
Gareth Morgan was spotted fleeing the scene
Chuckle
Right on cue, Gareth can’t help but make an obnoxious prick of himself.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98670017/gareth-morgan-questions-pms-value-of-native-wildlife-after-her-cat-paddles-killed-by-car
Clue for the clueless, Gareth, have a bit of decency and empathy and wait a few days before putting that boot in.
“Clue for the clueless, Gareth, have a bit of decency and empathy and wait a few days before putting that boot in.”
The same applies to some of the commenters on this very thread here, Andre.
Well, yeah. But here we’re just a bunch of politics tragics ranting at each other in an obscure corner of the internet. Gareth has a megaphone to spew nastiness all over New Zealand. Including directly on Jacinda and Clarke.
Too true re a bunch of political tragics! But sadly also true re Gareth’s situation.
My reply re commenters here was not directed at you .- in fact your ‘clue for the clueless’ expression was exactly what was needed to deflect me from replying (very rudely) to some of the classless attempts at humour in the thread. So thank you.
I volunteered for the SPCA *for decades, had many pets over the years, and know how much it hurts when they die. In fact my latest cat (a 12 year old neutered male ginga) died just two months ago of wounds inflected by a neighbour’s cat. I heard and saw the fight, my cat disappeared and died before I could get him to the vet when I finally found him four days later. I feel for Jacinda and Clarke as they obviously both doted on their young cat who was not even one year old. Paddles featured a lot on Clarke’s Twitter feed.
And cats can be taught not to go for birds etc, I also have hard beaked parrots who know exactly how to teach cats that “all birds bite and it hurts!”. I often use them to train other peoples’ cats, at their request.
* I also worked for Dept of Conservation.
I’m a bit touchy about losing pets at the moment too.
I’ve got an 18 year old cat whose symptoms of kidney failure become obvious a couple of years ago. He’s had quite a few episodes where he’s been sick and unhappy for several days and I’ve thought if he doesn’t pick up tomorrow it’s time for the final trip to the vet. So far he’s always perked back up, but jeez it’s tough.
When his sister died suddenly a few years back in many ways it was easy to deal with, it just happened and it was done.
Understand where you are at only too well. The big lump in the stomach, is today the day? etc.
About 15 years ago I took on a female (unspayed) Corgi dog as she was 6 years old (found out later she was actually 8) as her owners were going overseas that very day, and she did not fit the criteria for rehoming via the SPCA. She was a real handful, but got put in her place by my other dogs and cats, and ended up fitting in well. At 12 she was diagnosed with Cushings syndrome and basically given about a year to live with or without surgery. The vet and I decided to treat the symptoms rather than the cause.
Well she finally died naturally at home in her basket at the age of 19 years and four months old of two quick strokes in a matter of five minutes. I and my other dogs were at her side. In fact she was the only pet I have ever had that died naturally.
So don’t give up, and don’t beat yourself up. You and he will know when the time is right. Kia kaha
Wow.
Who will be the first National MP to use it to attack the Prime Minister in the House?
Would not surprise me at all. Paddles had become quite a celebrity worldwide through her (Paddles) twitter account. Articles have appeared in overseas media including Vanity Fair, NYT etc.
Clarke will also be devastated as prime Paddles carer.
But the bloody Herald – their article on Paddles’ death mentions that Jacinda’s grandfather’s funeral was the day before the election. It was not her grandfather; it was her grandmother.
Have just sent the Herald a very rude email message.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11941627
Herald article now corrected to ‘grandmother’. Hope they also do a personal apology to the PM and her (maternal) family.
If it were Key they woukd have covered the funerals and had them embedded in their minds 😉
A literal “Dead Cat” this time?
Who will be the first leftie to blame it on someone from “the right”. Oh hang on tasteless bullshit is already happening.
And some think it’s funny.
Well yes, of course the moral equivalent of a National Party MP is an anonymous blogger.
Wow, thought you were talking about Richard Hadlee for a second.
Snap
+1
Always sad when a pet dies
I heard Bill English was seen driving erratically in the area around the time of the incident.
You might be thinking of someone else: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=157682
🙂
Can’t have been Bill – poor paddles (sadly) is more than 44% dead.
Huge AB –love it –+++
I thought you meant richard hadlee
Chester Borrows behind the wheel?
I was thinking about Parihaka on Nov 5th, their day not defunct Guy Fawkes day, but didn’t get this in promptly but here it is for thinking about. And hopefully, accepting the date for commemoration of things NZ each year.
Taking Parihaka’s message onward in our minds and our hearts.
Graham Cameron in his blog First We Take Manhattan – Thoughts that are too long for Twitter – has put the main points of his sermon on November 5th reflecting on the date and it’s importance to New Zealand, being the date that in 1881 Parihaka was over-run by colonials, and also it is the date of All Hallows’ Eve (Halloween), with a glance at Guy Fawkes which event is marked with common pleasure and fireworks. The sermon prompts thought, presents information and a great image of Maori with poi that seems to speak of the people who met the forces with respect and determined moral behaviour.
https://firstwetakemanhattan.org/2017/11/05/all-saints-all-souls-or-all-parihaka-connecting-allhallowtide-to-aotearoa/
The accompanying image resonates with me because I went to a Dawn Ceremony at 6am on 5th November organised by the marae with local people of the Peace persuasion and thought that remembering Parihaka was an important, even necessary action. I did not see a newspaper write-up about it, was advertised lightly, I think mainly by poster and on-line and few people turned up. The attendance reminded me of that of Waitangi Day in Nelson in the days before the marae opened up andnow holds a commemoration and hospitality day which gets a large attendance, (though I have noticed at the powhiri that many were overseas visitors).
I also notice that a small proportion of New Zealanders labour on to try to keep our progressive spirit and responses alive and expanding. Also to grow cohesive community embracing bi-lateralism, and to welcome those from other cultures who want to enjoy our culture and ways, and enrich our mutual knowledge. Sometimes they amend some of their own ways that are negative, and some of our own similarly negative. The spirit of Parihaka and its example, offer us much and should be remembered by more than a few dedicated Maori, and the few big-hearted people who turn out to respond to its message, and acknowledge what Maori are trying to tell us in the 21st century that we didn’t understand in 1881.
DonMcLean’s words about sensitive, moral Vincent van Gogh resonate.
Starry, starry night
Portraits hung in empty halls
Frame-less heads on nameless walls
With eyes that watch the world and can’t forget
Like the strangers that you’ve met
The ragged men in ragged clothes
The silver thorn of bloody rose
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow
Now I think I know
What you tried to say to me
And how you suffered for your sanity
And how you tried to set them free
They would not listen, they’re not listening still
Perhaps they never will
AZ Lyrics.
An account of the colonial attack on the peaceful Maori and their property from Graham Cameron’s sermon.
Frustrated, the hawks in our Parliament prevailed and plans were drawn up to wipe Parihaka from the face of the earth. On the Fifth of November 1881, led by Native Affairs Minister Bryce, a contingent of 1,500 constabulary marched from their camp above the pā, arranged cannons on the small hill Pūrepo, and rode on horses towards Toroanui, where the people were meeting in the centre of the village.
As they entered, the children sung in welcome on the road, holding the raukura out before them. Forcing their way past, the constabulary rode in to be greeted by women with freshly baked bread for their guests. They found Te Whiti and Tohu exhorting their people to stand strong in their commitment to non-violence and to expect their hopes of peace to be realised. The two rangatira were arrested. For the next two weeks Parihaka was occupied. The constabulary evicted people from other tribes, tore down the houses and burnt them, destroyed the crops and chopped down the trees. They raped and assaulted the women left in the pā.
Remembering New Zealand’s poignant, painful but historic, ‘finest moments’ can help in the healing process needed to overcome the losses to us all by past lack of integrity in our behaviour and adoption of coercion and violence to get what we wanted.
Nice post – contemplation is often underutilized and underrated in our society but I recommend it highly. Thanks grey for your thoughts.
Thanks so much for this and the link. We commemorate a loss in Gallipoli but not this which is close to home and poignant even today… with peaceful protesters disdainfully labelled rent a mob and so forth for having a contrary world view to those in power.
Reminder – State Opening of Parliament
Already underway with Maori welcome in grounds of Parliament; then moving inside at 10.30am
Live streaming on Parliament website
https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/
Also on Parliament TV and livestreaming on RNZ website.
May todays opening ceremony go well, and Tamati Coffey maiden speech enrich us.
Did you see Tamati Coffey’s maiden speech at about 2.15pm? Excellent!
A catalyst to make conventional plastics from biomass sources. The kind of “green” tech that’s probably a step backwards rather than forwards.
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/07/new-catalyst-unlocks-industrial-chemicals-making-plastics-biomass/
The problem with conventional plastics is the damage discarded plastics do in the environment and ecosystems. Due to the length of time needed for them to break down.
If we accept, for the sake of argument, that the conventional plastics we use now are a necessary evil, then fossil fuels are a fairly low-impact source for the raw materials. Using fossil fuels as the raw material for necessary hard goods is also a much more defensible use of a finite resource than burning it for heat and heating up the planet.
If we change to devoting large areas to growing crops for hydrocarbon raw material we used to get from small holes in the ground, that’s just going to accelerate losing wild areas to monoculture and damaging big ag.
Do it Jacinda, think of whats best for NZ and sign! 🙂
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11940926
Agitators are bottom feeders..
‘Thinking’ is not an agitators trait..
Signing it is bad for the country. Same as signing all the other trade deals have been bad for us as we’re finding out.
Time we put a stop to this following of failure.
Signing is good for the country, I know it, Helen Clark knows it and now that shes actually in power Jacinda knows it
Its whats best for the country
Yep she will sign it – and I think that’s hugely funny.
The labour government who a lot here voted in are going to sign in something they have been campaigning against forever. They (in their words) are going to sign away “our sovereignty”.
You have been taken as fools.
Remember all the promised bottom lines on tppa? Don’t see labour mentioning them anymore.
Labour aren’t signing the agreement the way National wanted, so you’re basically making shit up.
Just in case you missed it, we would have woken up today 100 years ago – to find out a second revolution would have happened in Russia.
And despite all it’s flaws, which there were many.
It is still a great day to remember and celebrate, as a day when working people and peasants decided they had the power and ability to rule their own lives.
Socialism is the answer, not liberal capitalism.
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty then any other type of political system and will continue to do even while other countries crash and burn because they’ve adopted socialist policies
Is poverty a capitalist measure, Pucky?
Were the bushmen of the Kalahari living in poverty? Where the indigenous peoples of the rainforests living in poverty, or did poverty accompany the rise of capitalism?
Didn’t say it was perfect but i’ll take capitalism over socialism anyday
But you have never experienced pure capitalism PR so how are you measuring this?
They lived nasty short lives bob, call it poverty or noble naturesnuggles.
I don’t believe that’s true at all, Gabby. Do you really think of the lives of people in cultures other than Western/modern as “noble naturesnuggles” – a touch arrogant, don’t you think?
Put down the crack pipe, and pick up a book or two Puckish Rouge.
Because sad news for you history ended types – capitalism is a dog, which only serves the interest of the capitalist class. Socialist of all ilks made capitalism work for poor people. But the real kicker was that big old workers state which made sure the liberal capitalist west actually didn’t leave it’s people behind.
That said, go back to wishful thinking and your own warped mythology, bit like your poll debate, and 4th term national government, utter bs.
Even Jacinda and Helen know NZ needs TPP but then they had to consider the future of the country
Just like we needed asset sales. Eh!
Keep saying that. Someone may even believe you.
The state of most of the third world, apart from China, shows you are wrong.
Keep saying that. Someone may even believe you.
The state of most of the third world, and even parts of the USA, UK and New Zealand, shows you are wrong.
It is still a great day to remember and celebrate, as a day when working people and peasants decided they had the power and ability to rule their own lives.
Well, it would be, if that was what happened. But it wasn’t. I don’t feel like celebrating the “great day” a disciplined bunch of totalitarian ideologues took over a country and subjected it to decades of murderous idiocy.
…a disciplined bunch of totalitarian ideologues took over a country and subjected it to decades of murderous idiocy.
Are you talking about July 14, 1984?
Poor old Ed never has a chance against you in the false equivalence stakes, does he?
A dedicated recycler of right wing talking points writes: “Poor old Ed never has a chance against you in the false equivalence stakes, does he?”
Response: It was a JOKE, you dimwit.
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3682b3245e3515ae6d5ec10ef357c2b1-c
Brilliant, Morrissey.
It happened in a country that had a culture of repressive, tyrannical leadership, and, unfortunately, Stalin put Russia back into that category. Almost inevitable – same thing followed with China.
I will agree to Pockish Rouge’s claim that he will take Capitalism over Socialism any day when he can point me to a rich, industrialised country that has tried Socialism and failed. He can’t, because it is not allowed. Only poor countries can try it (the USSR was big, but never rich) and the rich capitalist countries (US in the lead) make sure that the Capitalist system prevails.
And please don’t quote Argentina. Primary industry made that country rich – it was never heavily industrialised, and primary industry gives little security in our perverted economic hierarchy.
The nearest proof of socialism being good are the current happiest-in-the-world countries in Scandanavia, who actually tax the rich, and try harder than us to make an egalitarian society.
The totalitarian ideologues were resisted up until about 1921. But yup, they (the Bolsheviks) secured power and put “the left” back 100 years (and counting).
So maybe a commemoration? And perhaps a commitment not to make the same mistakes again; to learn from the past?
I like how you missing out the sentence before that to make one of your snarky comments Psycho Milt. I said, to remind you – “And despite all it’s flaws, which there were many.”
Here a free history lesson, when the whole thing turned to custard it was the anarchists who informed the world how bad the revolution had gone. Emma Goldman with her book “My Disillusionment in Russia” was the go to reference of everything that went wrong during and after the civil war.
You might want to look up what it was like for those months before the Whites attacked. It was not perfect, but it was democratic, it was free, plus workers and peasants were in control.
So yeah, I feel we can celebrate that – or you can be a negative nelly and hate on working people.
I said, to remind you – “And despite all it’s flaws, which there were many.”
A sentence similar to many I’ve seen written by apologists for the Nazis, to whom apologists for the Bolsheviks are in no way superior.
When did I support the bolsheviks with what I said? I talked about the revolution, from a worker and peasant perspective. When have I ever supported authoritarianism in any fashion?
But sure make stuff up, it seems to be the new normal on this forum.
My dad was Ice bound in Murmansk on this day 100 years ago. The ship was part of a convoy supplying Russia during the WW1. He would tell me that he saw the Naval Cadets march though the city streets. The ship had caught fire and was destroyed and for around 3 months they ships crew were stuck in Murmansk. Finally, the ships compliment were repatriated back to the UK. On their return, the were discharged in South Hampton. But because they had signed on in Liverpool the company would not pay their wages – this lead to one of the first seaman’s strikes. Of course because it was war time, they were vilified. Being young (18) dad and one of his mates decided that they had had enough, and signed up for the Army, where he posted to France and in June 1918 was promptly shot through the left arm suffering permanent damage to the tendons of his left hand. On his medical discharge the MO said he would be good enough to wash dishes. That was enough to tell him that there would be no future for him in the UK and he promptly emigrated to NZ where he became an electrician and subsequently a rubber worker and for around 20 years was President of the Rubber Workers Union.
Fascinating story Macro. My Dad was in Murmansk in 1920. He was part of a small group of soldiers who were sent there to rescue members of the aristocracy including the Grand Duchess Olga, sister of Tsar Nicholas. They were ice bound in Murmansk over the winter months then moved on to Archangel aboard the SS Czar to collect their human cargo and sail back to England. The whole operation was conducted in secret and on the journey home they sailed in and out of the Norwegian fjords so as to remain undetected. My father was 18 years old and just doing what he was ordered to do. When they reached England Queen Mary was waiting on the dock to welcome her Russian relatives. Dad was in charge of lowering the gang plank for her but misjudged and came within a hairsbreadth of knocking her into the drink. He spent 24hrs in the brig for that mishap.
He, too saw no future in England (and he knew WW2 was on the way) so he brought his young family (not me I came later) to NZ in the late 1930s. In the 1950s he joined the NZ Labour Party and stayed loyal to them up until the end.
🙂 Wow! Sounds like they had very similar experiences. Thanks for sharing Anne.
Thank you both -Macro and Anne for your comments. Tough old days indeed.
On their return, the were discharged in South Hampton. But because they had signed on in Liverpool the company would not pay their wages – this lead to one of the first seaman’s strikes.
Good old Blighty, always on the lookout for ways to make Bolsheviks look the lesser of two evils! Still, at least he wasn’t shipped over to make Russia safe for feudalism again, which was I shit you not something that happened. Like most conflicts, it sure should be remembered. but exactly how to remember it is a motherfucker of a question.
Remember the public uproar Labour faced last time they tried pushing lightbulbs and shower-heads?
How do think the general public are going to feel about the Greens homeowner housing warrant?
While the notion of warrants on rentals is more widely accepted, applying this to general homeowners is going to come across as nanny sate on steroids, thus I expect there will be voter resistance and backlash.
And that will be directed at Labour and the Greens, which Labour will be looking to duck, hence will happily blame the Greens as it is their initiative.
Therefore, it’s something for the Greens to seriously consider before pushing further ahead.
[please link to the Green Party policy on homeowner housing wof, so that people can understand what the GP are suggesting and what they might be intending to act on. – weka]
Public uproar?
Hardly.
Right-wing commentariat frothing, more like.
Aye, but such genuine concern!
The likes of Farrar and Slater, I thought back then, needed a big shower-head for a decent sluice-down, given the nature of their day to day activities.
Not trickle-down ones??
Ideologically, they yearn for such a rose, but realistically? On carcasses of those dimensions? Ever seen the sluice-guns used by the gold-miners of yore?
So no worries then, Robert?
The negative feedback I was receiving at the time wasn’t coming from right-wing commentariat.
Worried about ideas being floated, Chair? No, ideas are for floating; I was more concerned about whipped-up faux-indignancy and spin-doctor-induced hysteria – you?
And you don’t think a housing WOF (which goes way beyond shower-heads and lightbulbs) would also lead to more “whipped-up faux-indignancy and spin-doctor-induced hysteria”?
No concerns for the poor, Robert? Or the potential voter backlash towards the Greens ?
My concerns have already been stated.
With National and her flunkies in and around Opposition, Chair, yes, I certainly do expect “whipped-up faux-indignancy and spin-doctor-induced hysteria” around every progressive idea the Government considers, floats, proposes, introduces; do you think that should stop the Government from acting progressively? I suppose you must. I don’t. Go for gold, Labour, New Zealand First and The Greens! Make ’em froth!
“Do you think that should stop the Government from acting progressively?”
No. My concern is the potential voter backlash. But more importantly, the potential negative impact it may have on the poor. Which could be counterproductive to them acting in a so-called progressive manner.
Thus, would like to see how this will be overcome.
I reckon they’ll factor both those potentials in to their plans, if they have them, Chair. Rest easy.
You worry that “a housing WOF” would lead to this and that, but there isn’t one. Do you mean discussions around a potential housing WOF might lead to etc.? Because it sounds as though you are jumping the gun, creating angst (mostly in your own head) and presenting your guesses in a manner (breathless) to try to create anxiousness in others. So, be still, Chair, you’re frothing.
No, Robert.
All we know at this stage is there is one (a homeowner housing WOF).
There has been nothing released to suggest otherwise.
We know it will be comprehensive, but as there are no other details, we don’t know where it will lead and how it will look on the ground.
We can only assume it will be similar to their rental WOF.
And keep in mind I didn’t create this situation, merely commenting on what the Greens have publicity stated and the concerns that raises.
No, we don’t.
We know the broad idea was floated before the election by a coalition partner.
We don’t know that there is such a thing in the pipeline.
What suggests otherwise is that the party of the candidate who floated the idea got 6%, and neither of the other parties that comprise the majority in parliament have campaigned on or advocated the idea in any form.
Let alone whether it will be mandatory, houses condemned, or fines imposed, or just whether it’s a box to tick for house sales, beside “en suite for master bedroom”.
When you wrote “All we know at this stage is there is one (a homeowner housing WOF)”, you were explicitly making shit up.
@ McFlock
“No, we don’t.”
Yes, we do. Their social housing spokeswoman alluded to it.
Therefore, when I wrote it, I was alluding to that.
“We don’t know that there is such a thing in the pipeline”
We know a warm, dry, secure home, whether rented or owner occupied is one of the goals the Greens agreed to work with Labour on in return for their support (Confidence and Supply). Moreover, those aims (a warm, dry, secure home) align with the aims their homeowner housing warrant is the mechanism for.
And as they haven’t announced a new mechanism to achieve those aims, one can only assume they plan on using the one initially stated.
The thing about allusion is that it’s not clear, and rests on the audience to make a connection. But that does not mean that every connection an audience makes was the intended one, and it’s even a guess as to whether the comment was an allusion to a specific thing at all, as opposed to a vague comment on a general issue and summarised by a journalist.
You are entirely responsible for the assumptions and inventions that spring forth from your bland and suppurative concerns.
But with Davidson stating the Greens would bring in a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for houses to make sure every property – not just rentals – were warm, dry and safe, what she was alluding to (a WOF) is rather cut and dry.
And I’m not responsible for what she says.
You are boring, Chair.
You are responsible for attempting to sow concern and discord based on one paraphrased statement from one mp during a campaign that resulted in that MP’s party being the smallest partner in a coalition government.
Green policy makes no mention of a wof for owner-occupied homes. Your concern is that the Greens will bypass literally their entire manifesto in order to force a policy onto the government that you are concerned might be controversial.
Take your concern-trolling and shove it up your arse.
@ McFlock
I’m not attempting to sow concern, I’m telling you people are concerned. And I expect more will be as they become aware.
We know the Greens have no policy detail on this but we also know Davidson alluded to one (there being a comprehensive WOF).
There is a possible explanation for this. The details of their housing WOF may just be the same as their rental WOF?
But I thought you were just asking whether we thought people might be concerned about the thing that does not exist but might one day because before the election a candidate for the junior coalition partner said something that was paraphrased by a journalist.
Now you’re actually telling us that people are already concerned, at this early stage.
Gosh.
Who?
ps: another possible explanation for this is that the Greens will work on implementing the policies that are actually in their manifesto before tacking on extras.
pps: another possible explanation is that the candidate or journalist in question had a slight brain fade that was too unimportant to bother correcting.
ppps: another possible explanation is that the wof will be another checklist with no enforcement status whatsoever, but might affect resale value like any other amenity or home improvement.
pppps: the most likely explanation is that you’re just a concern troll making shit up.
@ weka
As I told you the other day, asking for the actual policy is futile as we both know the policy is still being worked through.
All we know at this stage is the objective has been mentioned (homeowner housing WOF) and it is part of the deal the Greens struck with Labour. As was highlighted here in a post the other day.
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-green-party-goals-for-government/#comment-1410644
So you’re asking people how they think voters will react to a policy that literally nobody has seen yet?
Good-oh.
Without you raising such important, serious, and pressing concerns as this, the nats would most certainly still be in government. Thankyou for your service. Without you, democracy would not exist in our fair land.
I’m asking how they think voters will react to warrants for owner occupied homes, which most would assume will be similar to rental WOFs.
Regardless of the policy details, I think many will find just the notion of it offensively condescending. As if homeowners need the state to tell them what repairs they require to do on their own homes. Others (those doing it hard) will be worried they will be forced to sell as they won’t be able to cover the cost.
Landlords aren’t exactly lining up for Wellington’s voluntary scheme and I’m guessing homeowners will be far less enthusiastic. And that risks blowing back on the Greens.
Oh, so you’re actually asking us how we think voters will react to what we think they might assume about policy that nobody has ever seen yet.
I think it would be offensively condescending to hazard such an opinion in a complete absence of actual facts.
A policy never seen but one the Green’s social housing spokeswoman alluded too.
It’s not too hard to imagine what such a policy will look like (similar to their rental WOF one would assume).
Moreover, it’s not my fault that other than stating it will be comprehensive, the Greens have been rather vague alluding to a policy with no detail.
alluded, shmalluded. It’s not too hard to imagine…nor to foment. It’s boring now.
It’s not hard for you imagine a labgrn policy resulting in a zombie apocalypse.
What is difficult is making those imaginings at all accurate or reliable.
So the Greens don’t have any actual policy on this, good to know.
The C/S agreement says,
“13. Aim to end energy poverty in New Zealand and ensure that every New Zealander has a warm, dry, secure home, whether they rent or own.
a. Budget provision will be made to substantially increase the number of homes insulated.”
Not seeing anything there about a WOF for home owners. Maybe that is something they will do, I don’t know. At the moment you are asking people to get all angsty about something that is theoretical. Which is not necessarily a problem except you are talking about it as if it’s actually real.
I’ve said before, go do some research on this and bring it back, we might learn something.
edit, snap McFlock.
As was also mentioned (by me) in the other thread
“Davidson said the Green Party would bring in a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for houses to make sure every property – not just rentals – were warm, dry and safe.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=11913852
So from that we know they (the Greens) want a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for homeowners.
From that, we know the outrageous extent you’re willing to make inferences from what someone says to a journalist. There’s a difference.
Not just someone.
A Green MP (the Green Party’s social housing spokeswoman) speaking to a journalist on what the Greens want to bring in. It’s pretty cut and dry.
A spokesperson for a party with 6% of the vote maybe (if we accept your interpretation) thinks homeowners should be subject to a WoF. Explain to us again why homeowners should be shitting themselves? Because I just inspected my underwear and there was nothing in particular to report.
It’s not just homeowners, it’s voters and what they will blame on Labour or the Greens in Lightbulb/Showerhead 2.
Knowing some of how the Greens operate but also what their values are, my guess is that because the rental wof looks likely to happen they’re also looking at problematic housing that is occupier owned where people can’t afford to improve them.
In that situation I doubt the Greens want to legislate to force people living in poverty to fix their houses when they can’t afford to. What would the government do if they didn’t, fine them?
Much more likely is that the Greens will push for extensions to the insulation schemes e.g. subsidies for low income people to insulate their houses. Davidson also talked about heating. Both of those are big issues in housing that is occupier owned by people on low incomes. The heating I expect to be tackled by addressing electricity regulation.
“In that situation I doubt the Greens want to legislate to force people living in poverty to fix their houses when they can’t afford to. What would the government do if they didn’t, fine them?”
They may do a Morgan and force them to borrow against their homes, to be repaid (with interest adding to the cost) when they either die or sell. Later robbing them (or their next of kin) of the equity build up in their home.
Maybe they will just make some shit up!
@ Psycho Milt
Those doing it hard will be worried they will be forced to sell as they won’t be able to cover the cost.
Others won’t appreciate the intrusion of the state into their own homes. As a number of voters displayed when Labour tried to introduce shower-heads and lightbulbs.
Thus, both risk voter discontent potentially being directed at the Greens.
Where did Davidson say this? What was the context? We don’t know that Davidson was speaking to a journalist, maybe it was in a public meeting.
The date tells me it was during the election campaign.
You really should go do some research on this. A single sentence from a reporter about something a GP MP said during the election campaign, is hardly “part of the deal the Greens struck with Labour.”, especially since you’ve been unable to find anything else to support it.
Your problem here is that there is literally nothing to comment on other than your own reckons about something that barely exists. Do some proper research and then you might get taken more seriously on this.
Where this was stated is largely irrelevant as it doesn’t detract from the fact the Green Party’s social housing spokeswoman (Marama Davidson) said the Green Party would bring in a comprehensive Warrant of Fitness for houses to make sure every property – not just rentals – were warm, dry and safe.
Which aligns with the aim of “13” (in the Green’s agreement with Labour). A warm, dry, secure home, whether they rent or own.
Moreover, Davidson’s comment informs us of the mechanism (a comprehensive warrant) to deliver that aim.
“ Much more likely is that the Greens will push for extensions to the insulation schemes e.g. subsidies for low income people to insulate their houses”
I have no doubt they will also push for those things. And if Davidson didn’t state they wanted to also bring in a warrant, I may be inclined to accept your reasoning (perhaps that’s all they will do).
Unfortunately, she did, hence the cat has been let of of the bag.
I really hope you are right and things have changed since the comment was made.
The context of Davidson’s comment is in the link provided. It was in relation to deaths linked to unhealthy homes.
Yes that’s all your reckons. Unfortunately all you have to go on is single sentence from a journalist during the election campaign. The rest you are making up.
Are you implying Davidson was misleading voters? She go it wrong? Or that the Greens have changed their minds?
And what is your evidence for your position?
Surely their values and how they operate hasn’t changed between when the comment was made and now?
And if she didn’t get it wrong, wouldn’t it be logical to assume a warrant is still how they plan to meet their aim (13)?
Additionally, if she was mistaken or things have changed since the comment was initially made, shouldn’t there have been a correction/press release from the Greens that you could point too?
After all, it’s a policy with wide implications. Therefore, surely they wouldn’t want voters getting concerned over a policy desire that has now changed, thus would ensure their new positioning was well known?
While I may only have a comment from their housing spokeswoman, what concrete evidence do you have to show it no longer applies?
“Are you implying…”
Nah, The Chairman is indulging in dish-water-weak trolling with his butter-wouldn’t-melt- in- this mouth, wide-eyed
questioningtrolling. He’s a determined one, but patterns of behaviour speak louder than mealy-mouthed passive/aggressive troll-talk 🙂“While I may only have a comment from their housing spokeswoman, what concrete evidence do you have to show it no longer applies?”
1. I haven’t said it no longer applies. But you’ve claimed that it’s in the C/S agreement and it just isn’t.
2. you don’t have a comment from MD. You have a journo reporting that MD said something. In fact you basically have three words (“not just rentals”) and nothing else.
3. if you want to be taken seriously, do some research and present some evidence. Your reckons are guesses extrapolated more from your own mind, values and beliefs than GP ones or parliamentary processes.
@RG, feel free to show me some more pleasant pastures to encourage me elsewhere 🙂
The deal the Greens have struck with Labour has the same aims as their home owner housing warrant. And as they haven’t announced a new mechanism to achieve those aims, one can only assume they plan on using the one initially stated.
@ Robert
My concern, thus questions are genuine, Robert. Hence, I don’t appreciate your false accusations.
“You have a journo reporting that MD said something.”
That’s correct. I linked to a report where a journalist has quoted her.
“In fact you basically have three words (“not just rentals”) and nothing else.”
No. She also indicated it would apply to every property.
I presented the evidence, which apart from you downplaying, have failed to produce anything concrete to counter it.
Hi, weka. Pleasant pastures? Pastures usually hide a dirty agricultural secret, weka, so instead I’ll convey some good news from the forest 🙂 I’m spending much of today making a clearing in the trees big enough for the teepee to be set up in preparation for any visitors who might call by over the summer months. It’s a lovely space, beside the creek, wrapped in native trees and nearby to the nectarine orchard. It’s sunny there and completely sheltered from any wind. I may move in myself, when there are no guests. Cooking is on an open fire; smoke goes out the flaps at the apex, and the skin is canvas, so smells like a holiday. Enough to take your mind off The Chairman’s mischief?
Hope so 🙂
Wait till there’s something substantial, rether than speculative, for you and us to get our teeth into, Chair. Then you’ll get answers, rather than return speculation. Are there not enough real issues for you to nip the heels of?
Kirsty Johnston didn’t quote Davidson (look again, there is no quote), she reported something Davidson had said. Maybe it was an interview, maybe it was a speech, maybe it was a tweet, we don’t know.
That’s all you have, those three words. I don’t think Davidson lied, and I think that there being literally nothing else to go on means that we have nothing else to go on. You’re refusing to do further research, and instead you just want people here to seriously consider your theories about might happen to owned houses. Problem is we have nothing to base consideration on other than your theories, and it’s not actually a surprise that no-one wants to do that.
I actually think there probably is other mentions of this by the Greens, which I would be interested to see. But I have zero interest in you mis-using their words and position like you have done here to further your own hobby horse. It’s fundamentally dishonest. Instead you could have put up your own ideas and stopped trying to beat the Greens with it. Until you know there is something to critique, there is nothing to critique apart from you not knowing.
ha ha! Perfect Robert, sounds wonderful all round. I just watched this short video last night, very industrial compared to a teepee, but the man had a through-provoking sensibility about living in small spaces and ones that are shared by different people over time.
https://faircompanies.com/videos/berlin-architect-turns-silo-into-spaceship-esque-home-as-art/
@ weka
She was quoted in the article, however that particular sentence was reported as what she said.
What we know so far:
We know Labour and the Greens have agreed to work on a number of goals.
We have goal 13 with its similar aims and desire to cover homes rented and owned.
We know the Greens planned to address those aims with a comprehensive housing WOF.
We also know a WOF is the mechanism being touted to achieve those aims in the rental sector.
But that’s cool, we can leave it till more comes to light.
No we don’t. We know one green mp might have floated the idea to a journalist during the campaign.
But without knowing that, the rest of your points are irrelevant to your concerns.
More of an MSM uproar.
A fuss about showerheads, and not a word when, big brother National, gave spies, and police extra powers to hassle those who disagree with them.
Antoine, you around?
I found this last night while looking for something else, wondering what kind of hat you have?
Antoine
22 February 2017 at 3:11 pm
Think you’ll find the MoU is covering over a certain amount of ill feeling
If the left wins the election, the coalition building process will be very telling
I’ll eat my hat if the Greens get several significant Cabinet posts and a chance to implement large chunks of their policy agenda
https://thestandard.org.nz/kaupapa-pakeha/#comment-1302440
Tin foil sets your teeth on edge, when you chew.
What are you snarking at me for Robert? I never said anything rude to you so far as I am aware.
A.
I wasn’t meaning to snark, Antoine and I’m sorry my flippant comment read that way; I was trying to initiate an amusing sub-thread about inedible hats, but my attempt has gone as flat as a beret.
By chance I am.
Obviously my hat is safe as the Greens secured no Cabinet posts at all.
It’s good that they did manage to secure some of their policies in the coalition agreement. More would have been better.
A.
LOL – well played.
Was waiting for that. Well answered Antoine.
The speaker debarkel explained in Pie format.
Good for a giggle.
https://medium.com/@_hehir_/this-pie-analogy-is-the-most-kiwi-way-of-explaining-electing-the-speaker-ever-2e758e103033
You need to debarkel your speaker, James; the giggling emanating from it is making you appear
helium-headeda light-weight.Come now Robert wheres your sense of whimsy 🙂
It’s well located, Pucky, in a place that James-style humour can’t easily reach. I did find yesterday’s theatre in the house entertaining though, and instructive. Fancy National pulling a swifty, aye! Who’d have thought??
It will make for an interesting three years thats for sure, Hipkins better have a calculator on hand from now
Or an abacus? I am a Leftie, but I wonder about Hipkins. You have to know what to put into a calculator.. or an abacus, for that matter.
Come now Robert wheres your sense of whimsy
Good job you put a smiley face on that comment to Mr The-Standard’s-top-sense-of-whimsy Robert Guyton!
I doubt if anyone can even get james to consider
“political options” available to Kiwis to improve all of our welfare.
It isn’t good enough to stop using the Tory hate machine.
If the National Party manages to form a government again, they must find the hate machine not just mothballed, but inoperable.
Suggestions on a postcard.
Fantastic – put the boot into social investment and reveal it for what it is. I have previously called it Victorian moralising disguised by a gloss of science – and see no reason to change my mind.
Its base assumption is that the economic system is perfect but that some individuals are defective. A very nasty creed that has Bill’s pathological little hands all over it..
Really pleased to hear that there could be an investigation into NZDF re the Hit and Run allegations. May that happen, it needs to.
Was that mentioned in the G’G’s address to parliament today? If it was I must have miss it when I was skipping through her speech over at the scoop website.
It sounds like the Australian SAS are in spot of trouble with ADF Inspector General’s investigation and ADF JAG after a well known Aussie journalist release his book a about the SASR the Gan and from the sounds a few a sour grapes at one of the VC medal holders at what he may have done or may have not done along with a few knives being thrown around like a circus sideshow with someone hoping it may stick to somebody etc.
McMasters, hasn’t received the attention that old Nicky Hager got in NZ for his troubles as there was few articles about McMasters book in Oz newspaper and then went quite all of sudden.
What’s the German for “I know NOTHING”?
Fans of the classic comedy Hogan’s Heroes will remember the bumbling, easily gulled, and unfeasibly stupid Sergeant Schultz. It appears he married Col. Klink’s secretary Helga and they had a child, whom they called Edward. Sadly, Edward seems to be even stupider than his poor old dad….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXDZ2AogetA
It is ‘Ich weiss NICHTS’ and Ed fits the bill. What a turkey.
Der weiss es bestimmt nicht…