Open Mike 09/11/2017

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1. Ed 1

   9 November 2017 at 6:55 am

   Jacinda owned English in Parliament yesterday.

   ‘In her first formal speech to the House following the State Opening on Wednesday, Ardern told Opposition leader Bill English she understood the desire to defend their record.

   “I would simply remind them, that in defending their record they must also defend record homelessness. They must also defend dirty rivers and lakes. They must also defend inequality and yes, child poverty.

   “So by all means defend the record of the last nine years, while we get on with fixing it,” she said.

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98687260/it-was-the-pms-turn-to-strike–and-she-did-not-hold-back

   • tracey 1.1

     9 November 2017 at 7:11 am

     Amy Adams was the liar of the day for me. Arguing that their pay equity bill would achieve/enhance pay equity. After years of spending our money fighting equal pay for care workers and losing, the Nats sought to ensure it was triply hard for others to follow suit.

     Again, the media airtime these people are getting is astonishing. Perhaps it is cos the election was September instead of November? When the later there is less time til summer close down?

2. savenz 2

   9 November 2017 at 7:12 am

   Coal-fired plant shifted $1bn offshore while pocketing $117m from Australian taxpayers

   Payment to owner of Loy Yang B – one of country’s dirtiest plants – was compensation for short-lived carbon tax

   https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/08/coal-fired-plant-shifted-1bn-offshore-while-pocketing-117m-from-australian-taxpayers

3. vto 3

   9 November 2017 at 8:04 am

   People need to stop using the term “pale stale male”. It is offensive.

   Andrew Little has been labelled this.

   Imagine if Metiria was referred to as “round brown clown” or some such

   meme ca plus

   [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
   

   • Antoine 3.1

     9 November 2017 at 8:55 am

     +1

     This kind of talk really annoys conservatives. Then they decide to annoy you back. Then they outvote you. Then it’s ‘Hello, President Trump…’

     A.

     • OnceWasTim 3.1.1

       9 November 2017 at 9:30 pm

       Jesus Antoine. You’re a bag of surprises at times – even if you think that femme fatale polly has a nice smile but worry your fat arse might not live up to her expectations

       • Antoine 3.1.1.1

         10 November 2017 at 11:55 am

         > You’re a bag of surprises at times

         So are we all

         A.

   • Anne 3.2

     9 November 2017 at 9:06 am

     Agreed vto. If we can sneer at white coloured people without being termed racist then we can sneer at any other coloured person with the same immunity. Best we sneer at nobody because of the colour of their skin.

     • simbit 3.2.1

       9 November 2017 at 1:15 pm

       It’s shorthand for Pakeha male dominated fora which, lacking diversity, are poorly informed. Sooooo, dumb honky yobs? Arrogant EuroTrash – ooops, taken. Pasty Blokey Jokies? Oh wait, you can tweet 280 characters now. We can surely debate at length 😉

     • tracey 3.2.2

       9 November 2017 at 1:18 pm

       Sneering is not nice but neither is not recognising a privilege.

     • halfcrown 3.2.3

       9 November 2017 at 1:25 pm

       +100%

   • tracey 3.3

     9 November 2017 at 1:17 pm

     People need to start understanding the privilege that is attached to being White and White and Male, which differentiates them from being oppressed as such in the way that brown or female or disable or or or are. I am all for articulate discussion rather than easy memes (which substitute for genuine facts as “politically correct” does.

     • swordfish 3.3.1

       9 November 2017 at 3:42 pm

       So, former Act MP Donna Awatere Huata & her cousin the prominent wealthy & powerful Maori lawyer Donna Hall – married to former High Court judge & Waitangi Tribunal chairman Sir Edward Durie – (her legal fees from several years of high-profile Treaty of Waitangi claims was one reason she was chosen for the National Business Review’s 2000 rich list, which claimed she could have earned about $10 million) = “oppressed”

       White Male working-class, minimum wage, beneficiary = “privileged”

       I see

       • One Anonymous Bloke 3.3.1.1

         9 November 2017 at 4:21 pm

         Citing outliers is beneath you, surely 🙂

         • Gabby 3.3.1.1.1

           9 November 2017 at 5:41 pm

           Everybody’s an outlier, blokie. Surely (smirkimoji).

           • One Anonymous Bloke 3.3.1.1.1.1

             9 November 2017 at 7:05 pm

             Some are born at the apex of the bell curve, others find their way there by chance, and some have it thrust upon them by statisticians.

       • tracey 3.3.1.2

         9 November 2017 at 7:34 pm

         You clearly do not see if you think wealth makes you immune to the privilege of white people/men and their systems.

         You reckon none of those people you listed never suffered from racism?

       • weka 3.3.1.3

         9 November 2017 at 8:31 pm

         Wrong comparisons. Try these,

         White Male working-class, minimum wage, beneficiary compared to Māori woman working-class, minimum wage, beneficiary.

         Or,

         Māori woman lawyer compared to white male lawyer, both from the same class background.

         These are not difficult concepts.

         The class in question to which vto was referring is MSM journalism btw.

     • Jimmy 3.3.2

       9 November 2017 at 6:37 pm

       Interesting isn’t it, Whitey white males also suffer racism.
       Try being a whitey in an east coast pub.
       In fact non whites are extremely racist against whitey whites in my experience.

       • One Anonymous Bloke 3.3.2.1

         9 November 2017 at 7:07 pm

         Racism and privilege are different things.

         • Jimmy 3.3.2.1.1

           9 November 2017 at 7:24 pm

           Yes but perception of majority says race and wealth are entwined.

           • One Anonymous Bloke 3.3.2.1.1.1

             9 November 2017 at 7:54 pm

             Perception, and statistics too.

       • tracey 3.3.2.2

         9 November 2017 at 7:33 pm

         Being scared due to stereotyping is not the same as suffering oppression or inequity.

       • tracey 3.3.2.3

         9 November 2017 at 7:37 pm

         Can you give some examples of how white peoples relationships, career prospects health etc are hindered by brown people?

       • greywarshark 3.3.2.4

         9 November 2017 at 9:03 pm

         That’s not new – there have always been some pubs that Maori feel better in when pakeha are not there.

       • joe90 3.3.2.5

         9 November 2017 at 9:44 pm

         Try being a whitey in an east coast pub.

         I have, often. Awesome bonhomie, comedy, amusement and a touch of sadness with a cast of memorable characters and, remembering discretion is the better part, invites to the best parties after chucking out time.

4. Doogs 4

   9 November 2017 at 8:08 am

   I see that the Natzi’s newest little lap-boy Chris Bishop has been on the Spinoff trumpeting their 10 most wonderful achievements of the last 9 years. He has drunk the Kool Aid big time. I read words like ‘financial’, ‘productive’, ‘competitive’ – all good Nat Party words related to money and business, which of course is all those blue suited bastards care about. Then he has the unmitigated gall to reflect on (as he sees it) reduced child poverty, reforms to welfare, better electricity provision and (worst of all) higher achievement in education!!

   This a prime example of the delusional and arrogant manner with which Natzis see themselves. They even think they’ve done a good job with Christchurch, for god’s sake.

   It is so heartening to see the relentless positivity of the new government, even in the face of junky political moves by the sore losers. All the crap they are creating in the house is nothing but sour grapes and does nothing to advance the plight of those who need mature, focused and empathetic government. They play self-aggrandising games while L/GP/NZF try to move the country forward. It’s pathetic and sickening.

   • Grey Area 4.1

     9 November 2017 at 9:36 am

     Monty Python member Terry Jones wrote a great kids book I’ve always loved called Fairy Tales. One story I recall is called Simple Peter’s Mirror where a farm boy is gifted a magic mirror which allows the user to see themselves as others see them.

     Just imagine if the mirror was given to the National Party and English, Bennett, Collins, Brownlee, Adams, Bridges, Barry, Joyce, Kaye, Coleman, Tolley etc looked into it.

     • Brigid 4.1.1

       9 November 2017 at 1:02 pm

       They wouldn’t care. They really don’t care when their ravings are shown to be lies or unsubstantiated garbage. Isn’t that right Wayne?
       That’s the really scary thing. Typical psychopathic tendencies.

       At least now they can do less harm.

     • Draco T Bastard 4.1.2

       9 November 2017 at 1:23 pm

       Wasn’t there a story about a painting that showed the person’s true self and because they didn’t like what it showed the person boxed it in a small room?

       Yeah, the nats would hide such a mirror in the small room.

       • Grey Area 4.1.2.1

         9 November 2017 at 5:56 pm

         I don’t think for a minute it would make any difference but I would enjoy the theatre as each saw their true selves.

         • Draco T Bastard 4.1.2.1.1

           9 November 2017 at 6:36 pm

           😈

       • joe90 4.1.2.2

         9 November 2017 at 6:10 pm

         The Picture of Dorian Gray?

         • Draco T Bastard 4.1.2.2.1

           9 November 2017 at 6:36 pm

           Yeah, that one.

       • Robert Guyton 4.1.2.3

         9 November 2017 at 9:19 pm

         The Portrait of Dorian Gray. Oscar Wilde.

5. Morrissey 5

   9 November 2017 at 9:07 am

   Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
   No. 5: Bill “Double Dipper” English

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2711246/Bill-English-defends-taxpayer-cash-for-house

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201856404/pm-s-claim-homelessness-in-hamilton-all-but-eliminated-disputed

6. Stephen Doyle 6

   9 November 2017 at 9:31 am

   The Prime Minister needs to continue with her relentless positivity. Someone on the front bench needs to be the bad cop to her good cop. Otherwise the opposition will continue to get all the anti government press.

   • cleangreen 6.1

     9 November 2017 at 12:26 pm

     “Someone on the front bench needs to be the bad cop to her good cop”
     Good call – how about Ron Marks?

     He is a good speaker and scrapper too, and very well liked in his region.

   • tracey 6.2

     9 November 2017 at 1:19 pm

     methinks the press coverage would be the same whether she were positive or not, or she had a bad cop. The press is the issue not the Labour Mps. Cast back tot he election campaign…

     • Bearded Git 6.2.1

       9 November 2017 at 2:02 pm

       she got good coverage on Stuff today….a “strong” speech…respect for hitting back at Englishes inane criticisms….the Nats problem is they have the boring tainted liar English against a new exciting good communicator. English should resign.

       Ron Mark did a good speech yesterday too.

7. RTM 7

   9 November 2017 at 9:36 am

   Kiwiblog continues its descent into the alt-right sewer:
   https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/guest_post_pasifika_is_bollocks.html

   • Pete 7.1

     9 November 2017 at 9:59 am

     One bit struck a chord with me – the author says there is a bell curve of traits in all races. “In all races there are dumb ones,” he wrote.

     I’m pleased he’s taken up part of that trait allocated to my race.

   • joe90 7.2

     9 November 2017 at 10:51 am

     Yeah, I followed that and well done for schooling the nasty we shit Garrett.

8. eco maori 8

   9 November 2017 at 9:50 am

   Some wanker that owns a garage in putaruru is drilibritly taking 2 weeks to fix my mokos VAN Doing a job that would take me 2 hours and you mite think well this is the way of the world. But this is not the first time this wanker has done this to my Daughter this is the 3rd time and you no who is instergating this A. They cannot even leave my moko out of this Kai kaha

   • Brigid 8.1

     9 November 2017 at 1:05 pm

     Eh?
     So why didn’t you do the job for her?

   • OnceWasTim 8.2

     9 November 2017 at 9:35 pm

     Could it be that it isn’t a ‘cashie’ job?

9. joe90 9

   9 November 2017 at 10:58 am

   Turning tide.

   “The House GOP whip might lose to a socialist Marine veteran? Is that actually happening?”

   It was indeed. Democrat Lee Carter, a red-haired, 30-year-old Marine veteran from Manassas, won a remarkable nine-point victory to oust Delegate Jackson Miller, a deep-pocketed Republican incumbent who serves as House Majority Whip. Carter ran openly as a socialist—he and his supporters crooned the union anthem “Solidarity Forever” after their victory—and he won with almost no institutional support from the state Democratic Party. The Richmond Times-Dispatch’s Patrick Wilson reported last month that party leaders “abandoned” Carter after he declined to report campaign metrics like the number of doors he’d knocked and the amount of money he’d raised. Carter told Wilson he “ceased reporting to the House caucus after multiple information security lapses in which confidential information that we reported to the House caucus was leaked outside of the party infrastructure.” But he also said the party leaders “wanted a bit more editorial control over my messaging than I was comfortable with.” Wilson wrote that “Democratic Party leaders were not eager to discuss Carter, preferring to promote other candidates.” In fact, Wilson called Carter “the kind of rogue candidate that gives an apparatus like the Democratic Party of Virginia a fit.”

   https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans

   • Andre 9.1

     9 November 2017 at 11:01 am

     Some of the other interesting new faces.

     https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-victories-firsts-election-day_us_5a026c51e4b092053058cf38?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

     • joe90 9.1.1

       9 November 2017 at 11:11 am

       Before the chorus begins.

       https://newrepublic.com/article/145277/bernie-sanders-isnt-winning-local-elections-left

       edit: change from within

       https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/black-live-matter-activist-braxton-winston-wins-charlotte-city-council-seat/

     • joe90 9.1.2

       9 November 2017 at 12:56 pm

       Class trumps bigotry.

       The left celebrates the election of Transgender Danica Roem defeating a traditional Christian candidate who tried to pass a law to protect children from crossdressing men in public toilets. #VirginiaElection #maga #HuffPo God save the USA. pic.twitter.com/CVpKoij3TT— Mutha Jones (@HibernoDiaspora) November 8, 2017

       Her opponent used male pronouns to describe her. He refused to debate her. But last night, Danica Roem made history https://t.co/XuDH72ntfI— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) November 8, 2017

       Danica Roem’s “I don’t attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.” is one of the all time great political responses.— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) November 8, 2017

       #danica roem

10. veutoviper 10

    9 November 2017 at 1:06 pm

    For anyone who was not watching Parliament at about 9.30pm last night (yes I was that bad a political tragic!) this exchange between Jami-Lee Ross and Anne Tolley in her new role as Deputy Speaker is well worth a couple of minutes.

    I have never had much time for Ms Tolley, but I was quite impressed with her handling of her new role earlier in the session. Then I was really impressed with her handling of JLR and his absolute arrogance and disdain for her authority – and that of the Clerk of the House.

    https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=196972

    • tracey 10.1

      9 November 2017 at 1:27 pm

      Thanks for that veuotviper. Maybe he was nervous but JLR did come across to me as smirking and behaving as though Tolley was an irrelevance?

    • Cinny 10.2

      9 November 2017 at 2:14 pm

      Thanking you Veutoviper, that was well worth watching.

      Tolley appears to be rather good in her new role.

      jlr has an overinflated ego and a bizzare sense of self importance, bitter from the election loss.

      jlr (lowercase letters for a reason lolololz!)

      • greywarshark 10.2.1

        9 November 2017 at 2:42 pm

        What an obnoxious prat. Jami-Lee Ross. I thought it was a woman and find a burly bully on screen. He is trying the broken record style of dominating a discussion, which is to repeat a point until others are forced to give him or her precedence. But there are Parliamentary Rules that are like traffic rules, and people must proceed in their proper order. He is the Senior National Whip FGS.

        Watch out for him on the road. Perhaps there could be a jlr traffic compliance surveillance group to make sure that he doesn’t run over cyclists or pedestrians unwary enough to venture onto pedestrian crossings, or try to move between lanes or pavements, requiring a little tolerance from drivers.

    • ianmac 10.3

      9 November 2017 at 4:40 pm

      Weird clip eh? jlr was one of those catapaulted into government by some dodgy manourvering wasn’t he?
      A four letter word for him, “Prat.”

11. OnceWasTim 11

    9 November 2017 at 2:34 pm

    Did anyone else in passing see that Paula Bennett video contribution in a vehicle (presumably ‘going forward’)?
    Couldn’t one of ‘the gals’ at least have told her she’d been misreading the label?
    I guess not, but Paula, Dear, Sweatie!
    It’s one every twelve hours, not twelve every 1 hour

12. veutoviper 12

    9 November 2017 at 3:09 pm

    I don’t usually watch Parliament Q & A on Thursday, but decided to do so today.

    It has been an hour of laughs and well worth watching.

    Mallard as Speaker is great and has set the scene for the future. National won’t be thinking that, though, in particular “Stephen” Bridges. He will be spitting tacks. (As well as Jami-Lee Ross after last night’s slap down – see 10 above.)

    If you watch nothing else watch Question 9, but there are snippets throughout the entire hour. Pure Theatre at times, and I suspect planned as such.

    Online and On Demand on the Parliament website.

    https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand

    PS – Don’t judge the answers to questions to the PM given by Kelvin Davis (as Acting PM while both Ardern and Peters are overseas) on first impressions. I suspect that it was planned that the answers should be as non-committal as they are for the final effect. LOL

    • OnceWasTim 12.1

      9 November 2017 at 3:50 pm

      @ veuto
      Ditto Me.
      But if you chose to stay with PTV, I hope you saw The Jude’s efforts.
      If ever there was a ‘positioning’ for a knife in the back style bid for leadership – there you had it.
      Dressed in grey, covering a lovely floral number, there went Jude hard out with raspy voice, delivering her gNatzi message. (btw – not entirely based on evidence)
      If there were to be a putsch – odds on.
      I’m now left wondering amongst the gNatzis – who is the most running scared.

      I’ll let you know ( after considering their past efforts, and not that anyone should consider me part of any ‘incrowd’ bubble)

    • ianmac 12.2

      9 November 2017 at 4:42 pm

      I watched some of it today and was fascinated. Now next Tuesday…

13. Jilly Bee 13

    9 November 2017 at 4:05 pm

    Read this today on the RNZ Website – I’ve been wondering if and when it would happen with the change of government. About time too and I say this as an albeit nominal Christian. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343421/jesus-queen-dropped-from-parliament-prayer

14. ianmac 14

    9 November 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Good. Be even better if they dropped the first two words as this is a terrestrial pragmatic meeting of ideas and decisions. MPs should own it and forget it being a god’s will!

    • Jilly Bee 14.1

      9 November 2017 at 7:00 pm

      Can’t disagree with that Ianmac. At least it’s a start though. Waiting for the howls of complaints from the Nats.

15. cleangreen 15

    9 November 2017 at 5:24 pm

    Jenny Marcroft; – A new NZF list MP just concluded her maiden speech in parliament today,
    A very moving good speech Jenny. 5.20pm 9/11/17.

    Welcome to Parliament.

16. Exkiwiforces 16

    10 November 2017 at 12:53 am

    Found this tonight on news.com http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/natural-wonders/nasa-study-suggests-an-antarctic-supervolcano-could-make-the-ice-sheet-vulnerable/news-story/14ee668fa018e7f7d861ccbe63a3cd2f as per usual the ockers forgot the about Taupo and Hauraki Rift Zones.

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