Sadly, I now think Winston will go with National. He said these negotiations are like 1996, because of circumstances. The Green’s power in coalition is a risk factor which could be a stumbling block as it was with the Alliance.
Probably just going back and forth between Nats and Labour, and yesterday ended with Nats’ turn.
Nothing to see here. Though, I do not know whether a Labour or Nat led government will be best for the left in the long term. Depends on the details, the kind of alliance, and how it all plays out over time.
A Nat-NZF government, will curtail a lot of neoliberal policy. Meanwhile, it may give NZ Labour and the GP time to strengthen and build a stronger new direction.
The fact that the Green Party is not involved in talks is very suspicious. How can the left form a coalition government in the next 48 hours if the 3 parties have not had formal talks together yet.
Either the Greens are going to be locked out of government, and will have a confidence and supply agreement only (which will be a disaster); or
Winston is only talking to Labour to get as much out of National as possible.
The longer this goes on without the Greens been at the table, the more my concern grows
It may not be in the GP’s best interest to be too strongly involved with NZF in a coalition. Their long term interests may be best served with a C & S arrangement.
It could be that NZ1st is negotiating C&S rather than formal coalition. I.e, Either National or Labour/Greens in government and NZ1st sitting on the cross benches supporting which policies that they like.
However I still can’t see how Winston could support the left bloc on C&S if he isn’t talking to one of those left bloc partners.
Is Labour just going to front up on Thursday with a deal and say to the Greens, here it is James, take it or leave it?
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
The deadline isn’t set in stone. He chose it because October 12 is Return of the Writ Day – the final legal step in the electoral cycle.
There’s nothing that says a government must be formed by then.
Should National or Labour, or both, decide they need more time for their decision-making processes they could ask Peters to extend it.
Then it would be their fault.
Labour are in direct discussion/negotiations with the Greens.
There is some suggestion that this started last week; but this week they have been quite open about these negotiations and they have been reported in the media.
For example, yesterday Labour and Greens had negotiations in the morning while National was in negotiations with NZF. Today, Labour are expected to meet with Greens about now or early afternoon; again while National and NZF are talking.
Both Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters have made statements that there will not be three around the table negotiations and this is not appropriate. Labour, as the lead party in any coalition that is formed, will negotiate separately with the other two parties.
This is no different from the procedure used by National in previous years in negotiating support agreements with United Future, ACT and the Maori Party. They did separate and confidential negotiations with each of those parties. There were no ‘around the table’ negotiations with two or more of these parties present.
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
Further to my comments at 1.4.2.1.3 and link at 1.4.2.1.3.1 re the procedures being used in the negotiations including those between Labour and the GP, the link below is to Stuff’s live blog/article on today’s negotiations.
The first video currently is Jame Shaw replying to questions from the media about the GP/Labour negotiations and on the Greens’ procedures in relation to the timeframe set by Winston etc. Hopefuly this will give you some reassurance that the GP is part of the overall negotiations and that they seem to think that their procedures can cope.
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
That video is misleading. The implication is that the Greens will also decide on Thurs. I can’t see that happening. I wish people would stop framing all this as Thurs being when govt is decided. Thurs is when Peters has said he will decide. He doesn’t determine what other parties do, and the media shouldn’t be trying to either.
Presumably you wrote your comment after checking the Stuff link at 1.4.2.1.4 which contains a number of videos and is everchanging.
I did not find the video of Shaw himself talking to the media misleading. You may not have seen my follow-up comment at 1.4.2.1.4.1 (now immediately above your response), which quotes the Herald live blog summarising Shaw’s comments setting out the detailed process as he explained it to the media. This includes:
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
This full quote, as well as the last bit I have again quoted, is what Shaw himself said, and he presumably knows the Green Party process far better than anyone else.
Which process would be done by Thurs? The Party has to do a deal, then give the deal to the membership, then the delegates have to talk at a SGM. Do you really think that can be done between Peters’ announcement on Thurs and the end of Thurs? I’m hoping that Shaw meant the deal itself would be done by Thurs, not the consulting the party bit.
You don’t seem to have read the full quotein italics in my 1.4.2.1.4.1 which is a verbatim quote by the Herald of what Shaw himself said in his interview with the media late morning/early afternoon. This covers the whole process re membership, reference group, delegates, SGM etc. Here it is again.
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
I did read that. I think the delegates need time to talk to members. Again, how can this be done in half a day on Thurs? (give deal to members, get feedback, have SGM, discuss and reach consensus, or failing that have a vote).
If you have a problem with the process as set out by Jame Shaw – and yes I checked the Herald’s quote against the actual video of the interview – then take it up with Jame Shaw.
All I was doing was trying to let people know what was going on today re the negotiations. I am not even a Green member or voter – and resent being attacked by one for something their own leader has said.
I don’t know whether you have also checked the Newshub live site linked to at my 1.4.2.1.3.1 above, but that currently contains another separate video interview of Shaw by Lloyd Burr.
And that comment Robert is exactly why Winston will never have a working relationship with your tribe. He would assume you are referring to him as a new born baby. Your too bloody smart for your own good.
It could apply just as much to the Greens as NZF. I would expect a pollie
to be tougher than you consider. Remember they buy up cartoons of themselves, not often flattering.
Two more sleeps to go 😀 and the speculation continues via hand picked soundbites from the media designed to put us all on edge and keep us visiting their websites.
Meanwhile… has anyone noticed the cost of fuel lately. Around here there is up to a 15cent difference between petrol stations located less than 1km away from each other.
So much for judith doing something about it, that was all for show me thinks. national kept sowing seeds of distrust re tax during the election, pointing fingers at other parties, and all the while they were costing raising fuel tax (again) themselves.
I want a government I can trust, not a bunch of liars that will say anything to stay in power.
This from newsroom…
“Before the election Labour announced it would, if elected, introduce a 10 cent regional fuel tax in Auckland to help meet transport costs, and suggested the Government was itself already modelling a nationwide fuel tax increase to pay for its new motorways.
National denied this, saying there were no plans for a fuel tax and pointing the finger at Labour as the party planning to raise taxes.
But, according to documents released to the Greens under the Official Information Act, the Government appears to have at least been considering the possibility.”
Yes Cinny. Just been reading that and the hypocrisy of National regarding fuel tax is so typical. Especially since fuel tax for Auckland was ruled out so definitively over the last 5+ years.
Cinny. What do you think of Newsroom? I can’t detect overall bias and the items seem kosher. Not sure how it is financed but it is usual to follow the money???
Partners:Kiwibank, Chorus, Holden, Bell Gully, Victoria University and Auckland University.
Ian, I’ve really been enjoying what newsroom has been producing, and how generally well researched their articles are. It makes a difference from the usual dribble
Their partners are interesting, I don’t mind seeing their ad’s, at least they don’t start blarring audio etc like other online news outfits.
I think Newsroom has provided us with some valuable insight and information and they haven’t even been going that long. Every morning around 7am I go and check out their articles, long may that continue.
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Corporate sponsorship is our biggest source of revenue and as part of these arrangements, Newsroom produces video content for our sponsors.
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How churlish, all they need to do is look at the one that Blinglish and Shonky abolished which Clark n Cullen had put in place to fund akl public transport.
Naturally the MSM will not call it like it is, hypocracy and deception.
Women tend to use more low carbon modes to get around (walking, public transport) than men, who are more wedded to their cars. (based on overseas studies)
I think we’ll be lucky if we make the World Cup. We’ve got a great core of talented players like Rojas, Thomas, Wood, Reid, Barbarouses, but some of the other selections are perplexing. Also it looks like our game plan is constantly being revised each game and that can’t be good for cohesion.
I wonder if someone could arrange a sweepstake among the political punditocracy as to what the outcome might be. Get every one of them to write down their predicted result in a sealed envelope on Wednesday night and submit them to a neutral arbitrator.
That way, when we open our Friday newspapers, we’ll avoid the mendacious spectacle of around 85% of them writing pieces saying: ‘All along I was convinced that Winston would go with [fill in blank]. It was clear from day one which way he was heading…’.
Basically, though, they’re worse off than pretty much every other generation. And this doesn’t even count the higher cost of both housing and education¹ since 1974, which obviously affects young adults more than other age groups.
US data of course but I suspect that we’d see the same thing here.
Useful reflections from the British Green Party on how to avoid annihilation by being more picky about who they “stand aside” for, and who they form alliances with:
Oh hell! Winston has just said that his decision will cause ‘anguish’ to some. Somehow I see ‘anguish’ as being for the left, compared to the right who to me align more accurately with feelings of anger
Happy with how efficient the talks appear to be, two more sleeps, not long now. Heard Winston telling one of the newshub reporters that he had a good mind to announce the deal on TVNZ, lmao. Winston cracks me up. Have been rewatching a bit of parliament lately…
Thank Goodness that we have the clever Richard Prebble to guide us:
“Bill English and Jacinda Ardern have already failed the 80 per cent of New Zealanders who voted for the major parties. All because they refuse to phone each other.
The tail is wagging the dog.
So the first thing Bill English should do is start being a leader.
Pick up the phone. Ring up Jacinda and say: Let’s set some sensible rules for any coalition.”
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TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read:Angus Deaton on rethinking his economics IMFLocal scoop: The people behind Tamarind, the firm that left a $500m cleanup bill for taxpayers at Taranaki’s Tui oil well, are back operating in Taranaki under a different company name. Jonathan ...
Normally when we talk about accessing public transport it’s about improving how easy it is to get to, such as how easy is it to cross roads in a station/stop’s walking catchment, is it possible to cycle to safely, do bus connections work, or even if are there new routes/connections ...
Politicians are not renowned for telling the truth. Some tell us things that are verifiably not true. They offer statements that omit critical pieces of information. Gloss over risks, preferring to offer the best case scenario.Some not truths are quite small, others amusing in their transparency. There are those repeated ...
The pressure is mounting on the Government as it finalises its Budget Policy Statement, but yet more predicted revenue ‘goes missing’. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The Climate Commission has delivered another funding blow to the National-ACT-NZ First coalition Government’s tax-cutting plans, potentially carving $1.4 billion off the ‘climate ...
The Government now faces the prospect of having to watch another tax raise the price of petrol when, only six days ago, it abolished the Auckland Regional Fuel tax. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon argued that the regional fuel tax imposed costs on lower-income people with less fuel-efficient vehicles and that ...
Kicking the most vulnerable people out of state housing and pushing them towards homelessness will result in a proliferation of poverty and trauma across our most vulnerable communities. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader and MP for Waiariki, Rawiri Waititi has penned a letter asking MPs to support his members bill to remove GST from all food. The bill is expected to go through its first reading in parliament this Wednesday. “I’m calling on all political parties to support my ...
This year is about getting real with Kiwis and discussing the tough issues, as the National Government exacerbates inequality and divides New Zealand, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said ...
The Government adding Significant Natural Areas (SNAs) to its already roaring environmental policy bonfire is an assault on the future of wildlife that makes Aotearoa unique. ...
After 12 years of fighting to protect our moana we are finding ourselves back at square one and back at court. Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is sitting in Hawera to reconsider an application from Trans-Tasman Resources to dig up 50 million tonnes of the seabed in South Taranaki. This ...
Minister Shane Jones’ decision to step away from a seabed mining project is evidence of the murky waters surrounding the Government’s fast-track legislation. ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The Coalition Government’s miscalculation saga continues as it has forgotten an eyewatering $90 million gap in its interest deductibility cost figures, say Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds and Revenue Spokesperson Deborah Russell. ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has today released advice that says if the Government doesn’t act now New Zealand is at risk of not meeting its climate goals. ...
The Coalition Government has today confirmed it is abandoning first home buyers who are struggling to get ahead, says Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds. ...
The New Zealand public voted for a change in direction at the 2023 general election and that is exactly what this coalition government has been delivering in its first 100 days. There was an immediate focus on the economy, easing the cost of living, cracking down on law and order ...
The Government has left the health system as an afterthought, announcing half-baked targets at the last minute of their 100-day plan, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
Kiwis are still waiting for their promised cost of living support after 100 days of a National Government that is taking us backwards, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
100 days of National taking NZ backwardsThe National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
The Government must commit to funding free and healthy school lunches, as thousands of people sign the petition to keep them, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti says. ...
If the Government was serious about moving families into public housing, they would build more houses so there is actually somewhere for people to go. ...
The free and healthy school lunches programme feeds our kids, helps them to learn, and saves families money – but it is at risk under this Government, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
The Government’s proposed changes to Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPO) add almost nothing new and are merely an attempt to distract from its plans to loosen gun laws, police spokesperson Ginny Andersen and justice spokesperson Dr Duncan Webb said. ...
The great Victorian era English politician Lord Macauley stood in the British House of Parliament and said, "The gallery in which the reporters sit has become a fourth estate of the realm".He understood and outlined even way back then, the significant role and influence media have in a democracy. ...
The government’s attack on Māori health this week is committing tangata-whenua to a premature death, says Te Pāti Māori. “The government have begun their onslaught on Māori health with the abolishment of the Māori Health Authority and smokefree laws in the same day” said health spokesperson and co-leader, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. ...
Today marks a tragic milestone for New Zealanders as the Coalition Government side with big tobacco to repeal the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products (Smoked Tobacco) Amendment Act 2022, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins and Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
New Zealand’s social workers are qualified, experienced, and more representative of the communities they serve, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “I want to acknowledge and applaud New Zealand’s social workers for the hard work they do, providing invaluable support for our most vulnerable. “To coincide with World ...
Cabinet has agreed to a reduced road user charge (RUC) rate for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. Owners of PHEVs will be eligible for a reduced rate of $38 per 1,000km once all light electric vehicles (EVs) move into the RUC system from 1 April. ...
Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd McClay, says that today’s opening of Riverland Foods manufacturing plant in Christchurch is a great example of how trade access to overseas markets creates jobs in New Zealand. Speaking at the official opening of this state-of-the-art pet food factory the Minister noted that exports ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Wellington today. “It was a pleasure to host Foreign Minister Wang Yi during his first official visit to New Zealand since 2017. Our discussions were wide-ranging and enabled engagement on many facets of New Zealand’s relationship with China, including trade, ...
Kāinga Ora – Homes & Communities has been instructed to end the Sustaining Tenancies Framework and take stronger measures against persistent antisocial behaviour by tenants, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Earlier today Finance Minister Nicola Willis and I sent an interim Letter of Expectations to the Board of Kāinga Ora. ...
Tēna koutou katoa. Greetings everyone. Thank you to the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the Honourable Simon Bridges for hosting this address today. I acknowledge the business leaders in this room, the leaders and governors, the employers, the entrepreneurs, the investors, and the wealth creators. The coalition Government shares your ...
Minister Winston Peters completed the final leg of his visit to South and South East Asia in Singapore today, where he focused on enhancing one of New Zealand’s indispensable strategic partnerships. “Singapore is our most important defence partner in South East Asia, our fourth-largest trading partner and a ...
Minister of Internal Affairs and Workplace Relations and Safety, Hon. Brooke van Velden, will travel to the Republic of Korea to represent New Zealand at the Third Summit for Democracy on 18 March. The summit, hosted by the Republic of Korea, was first convened by the United States in 2021, ...
ICNZ Speech 7 March 2024, Auckland Acknowledgements and opening Mōrena, ngā mihi nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Good morning, it’s a privilege to be here to open the ICNZ annual conference, thank you to Mark for the Mihi Whakatau My thanks to Tim Grafton for inviting me ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Lead Coordination Minister Judith Collins have expressed their deepest sympathy on the five-year anniversary of the Christchurch terror attacks. “March 15, 2019, was a day when families, communities and the country came together both in sorrow and solidarity,” Mr Luxon says. “Today we pay our respects to the 51 shuhada ...
Speech for Financial Advice NZ Conference 5 March 2024 Acknowledgements and opening Morena, Nga Mihi Nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Thanks Nate for your Mihi Whakatau Good morning. It’s a pleasure to formally open your conference this morning. What a lovely day in Wellington, What a great ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters held discussions in Jakarta today about the future of relations between New Zealand and South East Asia’s most populous country. “We are in Jakarta so early in our new government’s term to reflect the huge importance we place on our relationship with Indonesia and South ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters has announced that the Foreign Minister of China, Wang Yi, will visit New Zealand next week. “We look forward to re-engaging with Foreign Minister Wang Yi and discussing the full breadth of the bilateral relationship, which is one of New Zealand’s ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today opened the new Auckland Rail Operations Centre, which will bring together KiwiRail, Auckland Transport, and Auckland One Rail to improve service reliability for Aucklanders. “The recent train disruptions in Auckland have highlighted how important it is KiwiRail and Auckland’s rail agencies work together to ...
The Government is proud to support the 10th edition of Crankworx Rotorua as the Crankworx World Tour returns to Rotorua from 16-24 March 2024, says Minister for Economic Development Melissa Lee. “Over the past 10 years as Crankworx Rotorua has grown, so too have the economic and social benefits that ...
Legislation implementing coalition Government tax commitments and addressing long-standing tax anomalies will be progressed in Parliament next week, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The legislation is contained in an Amendment Paper to the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill issued today. “The Amendment Paper represents ...
Associate Environment Minister Andrew Hoggard has today announced that the Government has agreed to suspend the requirement for councils to comply with the Significant Natural Areas (SNA) provisions of the National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity for three years, while it replaces the Resource Management Act (RMA).“As it stands, SNAs ...
Agriculture Minister Todd McClay has classified the drought conditions in the Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts as a medium-scale adverse event, acknowledging the challenging conditions facing farmers and growers in the district. “Parts of Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts are in the grip of an intense dry spell. I know ...
The Government is helping farmers eradicate the significant impact of facial eczema (FE) in pastoral animals, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “A $20 million partnership jointly funded by Beef + Lamb NZ, the Government, and the primary sector will save farmers an estimated NZD$332 million per year, and aims to ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has completed a successful visit to India, saying it was an important step in taking the relationship between the two countries to the next level. “We have laid a strong foundation for the Coalition Government’s priority of enhancing New Zealand-India relations to generate significant future benefit for both countries,” says Mr Peters, ...
Cabinet has agreed to provide $7 million to ensure the 2024 ski season can go ahead on the Whakapapa ski field in the central North Island but has told the operator Ruapehu Alpine Lifts it is the last financial support it will receive from taxpayers. Cabinet also agreed to provide ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Lower fruit and vegetable prices are welcome news for New Zealanders who have been doing it tough at the supermarket, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. Stats NZ reported today the price of fruit and vegetables has dropped 9.3 percent in the 12 months to February 2024. “Lower fruit and vege ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the sixty-eighth session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the 68th session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
The coalition Government is supporting farmers to enhance land management practices by investing $3.3 million in locally led catchment groups, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “Farmers and growers deliver significant prosperity for New Zealand and it’s vital their ongoing efforts to improve land management practices and water quality are supported,” ...
Good evening everyone and thank you for that lovely introduction. Thank you also to the Honourable Simon Bridges for the invitation to address your members. Since being sworn in, this coalition Government has hit the ground running with our 100-day plan, delivering the changes that New Zealanders expect of us. ...
Recommendations from the Climate Change Commission for New Zealand on the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) auction and unit limit settings for the next five years have been tabled in Parliament, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “The Commission provides advice on the ETS annually. This is the third time the ...
The coalition Government is beginning its fight to lower building costs and reduce red tape by exempting minor building work from paying the building levy, says Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk. “Currently, any building project worth $20,444 including GST or more is subject to the building levy which is ...
Proposed changes to tax legislation to prevent the over-taxation of low-earning trusts are welcome, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The changes have been recommended by Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee following consideration of submissions on the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill. “One of the ...
Assalaamu alaikum. السَّلَام عليكم In light of the holy month of Ramadan, I want to extend my warmest wishes to our Muslim community in New Zealand. Ramadan is a time for spiritual reflection, renewed devotion, perseverance, generosity, and forgiveness. It’s a time to strengthen our bonds and appreciate the diversity ...
Former Transport Minister and CEO of the Auckland Business Chamber Hon Simon Bridges has been appointed as the new Board Chair of the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) for a three-year term, Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced today. “Simon brings extensive experience and knowledge in transport policy and governance to the role. He will ...
Good morning all, it is a pleasure to be here as Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology. It is fantastic to see how connected and collaborative the life science and biotechnology industry is here in New Zealand. I would like to thank BioTechNZ and NZTech for the invitation to address ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says he is looking forward to the day when three key water projects in Northland are up and running, unlocking the full potential of land in the region. Mr Jones attended a community event at the site of the Otawere reservoir near Kerikeri on Friday. ...
Associate Finance Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government has agreed to restore deductibility for mortgage interest on residential investment properties. “Help is on the way for landlords and renters alike. The Government’s restoration of interest deductibility will ease pressure on rents and simplify the tax code,” says ...
Sport and Recreation Minister Chris Bishop will travel to Switzerland today to attend an Executive Committee meeting and Symposium of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Mr Bishop will then travel on to London where he will attend a series of meetings in his capacity as Infrastructure Minister. “New Zealanders believe ...
This year’s Pacific Language Weeks celebrate regional unity and the contribution of Pacific communities to New Zealand culture, says Minister for Pacific Peoples Dr Shane Reti. Dr Reti announced dates for the 2024 Pacific Language Weeks during a visit to the Pasifika festival in Auckland today and says there’s so ...
Brannavan Gnanalingam reviews the debut novel by Saraid de Silva.One of the most baffling things for children who move to a new country is what their parents’ (or grandparents’) lives were like prior to moving – for kids in particular, they’re too busy trying to fit in in their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elise Klein, Associate professor, Australian National University It’s commonly accepted that women do the vast majority of caregiving in Australian society. But less appreciated is that Indigenous women do larger amounts of unpaid care than any other group. Working with the Aboriginal ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne Joe Biden and Donald Trump have both secured their parties’ nominations for the November 5 United States general election by winning a ...
Comment: There has been a striking contrast in trans-Tasman interest about Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi’s visit to New Zealand and Australia. While the Australian press has been full of articles about the visit – including his curious decision to meet with former prime minister and China booster Paul Keating ...
After years of pressuring banks and other institutions to stop investing in fossil fuels, climate campaigners are making some progress. So how does divestment work?For years, climate activists have been pushing banks and other big institutions to divest from fossil fuels. New research from climate advocacy group 350 Aotearoa ...
For Boba, Ethan and Ashley, K-pop is a place to belong, a way to express themselves, and a bridge to connect with others. The three young Polynesians are part of a K-pop fan community in Tāmaki Makaurau. It’s one of many that have sprung up worldwide as K-pop has gone ...
For Boba, Ethan and Ashley, K-pop is a place to belong, a way to express themselves, and a bridge to connect with others. This one-off documentary presents three intimate portraits of young Polynesians who are pulled into a Korean cultural phenomenon. K-POLYS is directed by Litia Tuiburelevu, Produced by Hex ...
There’s ample evidence demonstrating free school lunch programmes provide wide benefits across schools, households and communities according to public health researchers. ACT Minister David Seymour wants to reduce the spending on Aotearoa New Zealand’s ...
By Wata Shaw in Suva Fiji is facing an exodus of Fijians as many are leaving for overseas seeking employment and education and others are migrating, says Opposition MP Viliame Naupoto. Speaking in Parliament, he said: “His Excellency’s speech (Ratu Wiliame Katonivere) comes after a little over one year of ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming comments from Christopher Luxon this morning recommitting to ‘no new taxes’ as part of Budget 2024. “Mr Luxon’s refusal at the Post-Cabinet press conference yesterday to repeat the ‘no new taxes’ promise ...
SAFE is urgently calling on the Environment Committee to reject the Government’s Fast-Track Approvals Bill, and is urging New Zealanders to rally behind the call. The proposed Bill, currently under consideration with the Environment select committee, ...
Teammates who spend all their time picking fights with spectators are only helpful for the other team, writes Madeleine Chapman. Anyone who has ever played a team sport competitively, particularly as a child and particularly, for some reason, basketball, will know that there’s a lot of politics involved. While there ...
The long-running Wellington music festival is too focused on the Jim Beam-ness and not enough on the Homegrown-ness.There is something about Homegrown that’s difficult to place. A barely perceptible-ness. Like feeling a ghost is watching you from the corner of the room but when you look, there’s nothing there. ...
The latest Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor reveals that fewer New Zealanders believe crime / law and order is one of the top issues facing our country. In 2018, Ipsos New Zealand started tracking the key issues facing New Zealand. In this wave ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kate Griffiths, Deputy Program Director, Budgets and Government, Grattan Institute Australia’s political donations rules are woefully inadequate, but donations reform is finally on the agenda. The federal government has signalled its interest in reform and will soon begin briefing MPs on its ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Patrick Taylor, Chief Environmental Scientist, EPA Victoria; Honorary Professor, School of Natural Sciences, Macquarie University Naiyana Somchitkaeo/Shutterstock A recent study published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine has linked microplastics with risk to human health. The study ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Albert Van Dijk, Professor, Water and Landscape Dynamics, Fenner School of Environment & Society, Australian National University Global climate records were shattered in 2023, from air and sea temperatures to sea-level rise and sea-ice extent. Scores of countries recorded their hottest year ...
As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, a teacher explains why he and his partner are in frugal mode – and how they’re making it work. Gender: Male Age: 35Ethnicity: Pākehā Role: I am an intermediate school teacher and my partner is ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Bendall, Senior Lecturer, Institute for Humanities and Social Sciences, Australian Catholic University Binge Mary & George, the new British television drama series, depicts the real-life story of Mary Villiers and her son George, and their social climbing at the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jason Nassios, Associate Professor, Centre of Policy Studies, Victoria University This article is part of The Conversation’s series examining the housing crisis. Read the other articles in the series here. Australian state and federal governments spend money in many ways to ...
The finance minister is denying that there’s a $5.6b shortfall in paying for the government’s campaign promises, including tax cuts. At his post-cabinet press conference yesterday, the PM refused to rule out new taxes to pay for the cuts, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s ...
Kāinga Ora tenants abused by their neighbours are doubting the government's crackdown on disruptive tenants will make a difference on their behaviour. ...
Kāinga Ora is New Zealand’s biggest residential landlord, housing more than 180,000 vulnerable people in more than 67,000 properties. Yesterday the government announced a crackdown on its tenants who fall behind on rent. One longtime Kāinga Ora tenant shares her experience.For 18 years I lived in a 1960s standalone ...
Why does this myth persist, and what’s the real reason our skin is suffering?It’s one of the biggest international grievances New Zealanders hold, up there with the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior and 1981’s underarm incident. We’re quick to tell international travellers that the world’s pollution led to the ...
When the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act was introduced in 2009 it was firmly targeted at gangs and drugs. The legislation means police no longer need a conviction to seize assets that criminals can’t prove were paid for legitimately, as long as their alleged offences are punishable by more than a ...
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Bob’s relationship with certain members of Lincoln’s academic staff continued to deteriorate in the 1990s. Others supported him publicly, though articles such as Roland Clark’s 1993 piece in Growing Today cannot have pleased the university management. Clark wrote that Bob was selling onions from the Biological Husbandry Unit to a ...
SailGP’s races feature in-your-face action, with agile, hydro-foiling catamarans tacking and jibing for the title over several days. However, public comments ahead of the global series’ return to New Zealand have left this past year’s controversy in the shadows, as a key appointment attracts criticism from dolphin advocates. A year ...
Opinion: We are fast approaching a fundamental change in prisons. As the number of people on custodial remand looks set to overtake the number of sentenced prisoners, the main function of prisons in New Zealand may become incarcerating un-sentenced people who may not be guilty of offending. We have already ...
A huge seven months lies in store for the White Ferns, beginning this week with the visit of England and culminating with the T20 World Cup in Bangladesh in September and October. Starting on Tuesday in Dunedin, the world ranked No. 2 visitors will play five T20s and three ODIs, ...
Opinion: In a move that has shocked road safety advocates across the country, the new Minister of Transport, Simeon Brown, is poised to abandon the previous government’s speed limit reduction policy, particularly around schools. Even more alarmingly, he wants school speed limits to be variable rather than full-time, arguing ...
Auckland Council is opposing a fast-track development backed by Sir John Kirwan and Spark NZ, because it doesn’t meet stringent new climate adaptation requirements The post Surf-data centre faces new 3.8C climate warming rules appeared first on Newsroom. ...
The letters, which were published last week, were addressed to Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P) Chairperson Megawati Sukarnoputri, National Democrat Party (NasDem) Chairperson Surya Paloh, National Awakening Party (PKB) Chairperson Muhaimin Iskandar, Justice and Prosperity Party (PKS) President Ahmad Syaikhu and United Development Party (PPP) Chairperson Muhammad Mardiono. In ...
Evicting more people from state housing is ignorant to the consequences of poverty, the Greens say, but the Housing Minister says it's a privilege that can be taken away if abused. ...
Evicting more people from state housing is ignorant to the consequences of poverty, the Greens say, but the Housing Minister says it's a privilege that can be taken away if abused. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emerald L King, Lecturer in Humanities, University of Tasmania IMDB Between Netflix’s 2023 live-action version of One Piece, and its latest take on Avatar: The Last Airbender, fans are once again asking: why are live-action anime adaptations so tricky to ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emerald L King, Lecturer in Humanities, University of Tasmania IMDB Between Netflix’s 2023 live-action version of One Piece, and its latest take on Avatar: The Last Airbender, fans are once again asking: why are live-action anime adaptations so tricky to ...
The government says it still intends to deliver tax cuts by July, but will not lock them in until they have got them past their coalition partners. ...
Kiingi Tuheitia Pootatau Te Wherowhero VII has hosted members of the Green Party Caucus at Tuurangawaewae Marae in Ngaaruawahia. The audience follows the King’s Hui-aa-Motu on 20 January, where more than 10,000 people gathered to discuss national ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dr Rachael Potter, Research Associate and Lecturer in Work and Organisational Psychology, University of South Australia Ground Picture/Shutterstock Pregnant women and workers with children are often unfairly treated by their bosses and colleagues, despite laws to protect against workplace discrimination ...
Reacting to Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s refusal to rule out introducing new taxes at the budget, Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Connor Molloy, said: “Today’s refusal to rule out new taxes suggests the Government is nothing more ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Duckett, Honorary Enterprise Professor, School of Population and Global Health, and Department of General Practice and Primary Care, The University of Melbourne Aila Images/Shutterstock Aged-care workers will receive a significant pay increase after the Fair Work Commission ruled they ...
He’s bringing ‘Sophie’ back, yeah. Goodshirt’s ‘Sophie’ music video is one of the most instantly recognisable New Zealand music videos of all time. Featuring a woman listening to the song on headphones while her entire house is burgled behind her, the video won the New Zealand music award for Best ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Blaxland, Professor, Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, Australian National University A year ago, the AUKUS agreement was formally announced between Australian and UK Prime Ministers Anthony Albanese and Rishi Sunak and US President Joe Biden. The agreement mapped out the “optimal ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andreas Helwig, Associate Professor, Electro-Mechanical Engineering, University of Southern Queensland SmartS/Shutterstock Steam locomotives clattering along railway tracks. Paddle steamers churning down the Murray. Dreadnought battleships powered by steam engines. Many of us think the age of steam has ended. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Carrie Leonetti, Associate Professor of Law, University of Auckland, Waipapa Taumata Rau Victims who experience family violence in Aotearoa New Zealand are treated differently, depending on which part of the justice system they turn to for help. But a new member’s bill ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Tesch, Visiting Fellow at the ANU Centre for European Studies, Australian National University In perhaps the least surprising news of the year, Vladimir Putin has triumphed at the Russian ballot box and been enthroned for the fifth time as president. He ...
The Papua New Guinea Supreme Court has stopped a byelection for the Madang Open seat being held until an appeal filed by former MP Bryan Kramer is concluded. Kramer had appealed to the Supreme Court over a National Court decision not to review his application of the Leadership Tribunal decision ...
By Miriam Zarriga in Port Moresby Despite a “historic” ceasefire agreement in Papua New Guinea between Enga authorities and tribal leaders after months of bitter warfare, a young woman has been found brutally killed near Kaekin village, Wapenamanda. Despite the peace agreement and signing concluded in Port Moresby last Thursday ...
The second season of Ryan Murphy’s Feud is a sadder and slower entry into his canon of true story-telling, leaning heavily on a verdict about the cost of a single work of art. Hollywood heavyweight Ryan Murphy has had a bit of “ick” about him in the last few years. ...
Are you deeply passionate about sharing Māori stories? We’re on the hunt for an experienced writer/editor to lead coverage in our Ātea section.Ātea is a deeply valued section of The Spinoff site, offering Māori perspectives and insights across politics, current affairs and culture. We are thrilled to be looking ...
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Sadly, I now think Winston will go with National. He said these negotiations are like 1996, because of circumstances. The Green’s power in coalition is a risk factor which could be a stumbling block as it was with the Alliance.
Patricia, have you read Chris Trotter’s entreaty?
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/dear-winston-open-letter-to-leader-of.html
1.1 Thank you Robert I needed that.
NZF did have 2 meetings with the Nats and only one with Labour yesterday…..but he will go with Labour.
Today NZF starts with talking to Labour, then to Nats, then an NZF caucus meeting, then possibly back to Labour
Probably just going back and forth between Nats and Labour, and yesterday ended with Nats’ turn.
Nothing to see here. Though, I do not know whether a Labour or Nat led government will be best for the left in the long term. Depends on the details, the kind of alliance, and how it all plays out over time.
It may be for the best of the left in the long run for NZF to go with the Nats.
There’s no telling how that will end, but change may be a-coming – if the continued developments of Corbyn’s Labour is any indication:
Corbyn calls for the re-nationalisation of public utilities.
A Nat-NZF government, will curtail a lot of neoliberal policy. Meanwhile, it may give NZ Labour and the GP time to strengthen and build a stronger new direction.
Badly and in short order.
The fact that the Green Party is not involved in talks is very suspicious. How can the left form a coalition government in the next 48 hours if the 3 parties have not had formal talks together yet.
Either the Greens are going to be locked out of government, and will have a confidence and supply agreement only (which will be a disaster); or
Winston is only talking to Labour to get as much out of National as possible.
The longer this goes on without the Greens been at the table, the more my concern grows
It may not be in the GP’s best interest to be too strongly involved with NZF in a coalition. Their long term interests may be best served with a C & S arrangement.
Perhaps.
But is it in New Zealand’s best interest that they stay out of government? Certainly not.
The country desperately needs them in the cabinet room, next week. Not in 10 years time
It could be that NZ1st is negotiating C&S rather than formal coalition. I.e, Either National or Labour/Greens in government and NZ1st sitting on the cross benches supporting which policies that they like.
Yep agreed.
However I still can’t see how Winston could support the left bloc on C&S if he isn’t talking to one of those left bloc partners.
Is Labour just going to front up on Thursday with a deal and say to the Greens, here it is James, take it or leave it?
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
He could be talking to the Greens via Labour. After all, Labour and the Greens do have that MoU.
That would be discussions between labour and the Greens which have been ongoing for some time.
The Greens have set up a process to do that.
I hope you are correct.
I’m just feeling very nervous at this stage of the game
We all are. I’m hoping that NZ1st remember the last time they supported a National government.
Peters has just said he/NZF would make a decision by the 12th. There could be further negotiations after that decision.
NZ Herald reported on 9 October:
Yep, that sounds like Winston and many other people on the right-wing – trying to bypass any responsibility for their own actions.
And that article was actually from the 6th of October.
Labour are in direct discussion/negotiations with the Greens.
There is some suggestion that this started last week; but this week they have been quite open about these negotiations and they have been reported in the media.
For example, yesterday Labour and Greens had negotiations in the morning while National was in negotiations with NZF. Today, Labour are expected to meet with Greens about now or early afternoon; again while National and NZF are talking.
Both Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters have made statements that there will not be three around the table negotiations and this is not appropriate. Labour, as the lead party in any coalition that is formed, will negotiate separately with the other two parties.
This is no different from the procedure used by National in previous years in negotiating support agreements with United Future, ACT and the Maori Party. They did separate and confidential negotiations with each of those parties. There were no ‘around the table’ negotiations with two or more of these parties present.
I meant to also include this link to Newhub’s live updates on today’s negotiations for more information. At present anyway, it includes video of Jacinda’s regular Tuesday interview on the AM show this morning where she talks about the negotiation procedures.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/live-updates-coalition-talks-intensify-on-day-two.html
Peter at 1.4.3 also provides the link to her interview on Morning Report this morning where she does likewise.
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
Further to my comments at 1.4.2.1.3 and link at 1.4.2.1.3.1 re the procedures being used in the negotiations including those between Labour and the GP, the link below is to Stuff’s live blog/article on today’s negotiations.
The first video currently is Jame Shaw replying to questions from the media about the GP/Labour negotiations and on the Greens’ procedures in relation to the timeframe set by Winston etc. Hopefuly this will give you some reassurance that the GP is part of the overall negotiations and that they seem to think that their procedures can cope.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97721263/day-three-of-negotiations–nz-first-and-labour-up-first-then-national
EDIT Video is now further down.
And from the Herald’s live blog/comments on today’s negotiations, here is their summary of James Shaw’s comments on the procedures:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11931486
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
That video is misleading. The implication is that the Greens will also decide on Thurs. I can’t see that happening. I wish people would stop framing all this as Thurs being when govt is decided. Thurs is when Peters has said he will decide. He doesn’t determine what other parties do, and the media shouldn’t be trying to either.
Presumably you wrote your comment after checking the Stuff link at 1.4.2.1.4 which contains a number of videos and is everchanging.
I did not find the video of Shaw himself talking to the media misleading. You may not have seen my follow-up comment at 1.4.2.1.4.1 (now immediately above your response), which quotes the Herald live blog summarising Shaw’s comments setting out the detailed process as he explained it to the media. This includes:
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
This full quote, as well as the last bit I have again quoted, is what Shaw himself said, and he presumably knows the Green Party process far better than anyone else.
Which process would be done by Thurs? The Party has to do a deal, then give the deal to the membership, then the delegates have to talk at a SGM. Do you really think that can be done between Peters’ announcement on Thurs and the end of Thurs? I’m hoping that Shaw meant the deal itself would be done by Thurs, not the consulting the party bit.
You don’t seem to have read the full quotein italics in my 1.4.2.1.4.1 which is a verbatim quote by the Herald of what Shaw himself said in his interview with the media late morning/early afternoon. This covers the whole process re membership, reference group, delegates, SGM etc. Here it is again.
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
I did read that. I think the delegates need time to talk to members. Again, how can this be done in half a day on Thurs? (give deal to members, get feedback, have SGM, discuss and reach consensus, or failing that have a vote).
just checked with a couple of active members. You are right, Shaw’s timeframe will include the SGM and the party can make it’s decision that fast.
To Weka below – as no reply facility.
If you have a problem with the process as set out by Jame Shaw – and yes I checked the Herald’s quote against the actual video of the interview – then take it up with Jame Shaw.
All I was doing was trying to let people know what was going on today re the negotiations. I am not even a Green member or voter – and resent being attacked by one for something their own leader has said.
I wasn’t attacking you, I was responding to the media stuff you posted. I’ve since clarified with some active members, see my comment above.
fwiw, there is very little I see in the MSM now that I take at face value.
I don’t know whether you have also checked the Newshub live site linked to at my 1.4.2.1.3.1 above, but that currently contains another separate video interview of Shaw by Lloyd Burr.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/live-updates-coalition-talks-intensify-on-day-two.html
Ardern comments this morning on the negotiating arrangements here.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/341208/ardern-maintains-separate-negotiations
@Enough
Not sure why a confidence and supply agreement “would be a disaster”-perhaps you are not used to political parties that keep their word?
Strange comment BG.
A government without the Green Party will be a disaster.
the fact that Winston is not speaking directly with the greens would seem to indicate that.
No it does not.
tell me any circumstance where people preparing to take on great responsibility don’t talk to each other beforehand
Adopting a pre-lingual baby.
Lmfao !!!!!
Bit harsh on the Greens there! 😉
Brilliant!
LOLOLOL
And that comment Robert is exactly why Winston will never have a working relationship with your tribe. He would assume you are referring to him as a new born baby. Your too bloody smart for your own good.
It could apply just as much to the Greens as NZF. I would expect a pollie
to be tougher than you consider. Remember they buy up cartoons of themselves, not often flattering.
Could be an emergency C-section by the Kingmaker on Thursday giving birth to a Bill-inguinal baby AKA a kick in the groin.
Two more sleeps to go 😀 and the speculation continues via hand picked soundbites from the media designed to put us all on edge and keep us visiting their websites.
Meanwhile… has anyone noticed the cost of fuel lately. Around here there is up to a 15cent difference between petrol stations located less than 1km away from each other.
So much for judith doing something about it, that was all for show me thinks. national kept sowing seeds of distrust re tax during the election, pointing fingers at other parties, and all the while they were costing raising fuel tax (again) themselves.
I want a government I can trust, not a bunch of liars that will say anything to stay in power.
This from newsroom…
“Before the election Labour announced it would, if elected, introduce a 10 cent regional fuel tax in Auckland to help meet transport costs, and suggested the Government was itself already modelling a nationwide fuel tax increase to pay for its new motorways.
National denied this, saying there were no plans for a fuel tax and pointing the finger at Labour as the party planning to raise taxes.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/10/09/52342/government-investigating-fuel-tax-hike
But, according to documents released to the Greens under the Official Information Act, the Government appears to have at least been considering the possibility.”
Yes Cinny. Just been reading that and the hypocrisy of National regarding fuel tax is so typical. Especially since fuel tax for Auckland was ruled out so definitively over the last 5+ years.
Yes national said over and over again that a regional fuel tax can’t be done during the election cycle. Yet they were investigating doing it anyway.
Cinny. What do you think of Newsroom? I can’t detect overall bias and the items seem kosher. Not sure how it is financed but it is usual to follow the money???
Partners:Kiwibank, Chorus, Holden, Bell Gully, Victoria University and Auckland University.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/
Ian, I’ve really been enjoying what newsroom has been producing, and how generally well researched their articles are. It makes a difference from the usual dribble
Their partners are interesting, I don’t mind seeing their ad’s, at least they don’t start blarring audio etc like other online news outfits.
I think Newsroom has provided us with some valuable insight and information and they haven’t even been going that long. Every morning around 7am I go and check out their articles, long may that continue.
“Newsroom funds its journalism in three ways – subscriptions to our Newsroom Pro service, voluntary donations via Press Patron, and corporate sponsorship.
Corporate sponsorship is our biggest source of revenue and as part of these arrangements, Newsroom produces video content for our sponsors.
We do this using the same storytelling techniques we apply to our day-to-day reporting. However, this content is not independent and is made in conjunction with the sponsor.
The stories are produced with the same care and attention we give our journalism and we hope you find them interesting and informative.”
Yes. Newsroom is my first reading for the day too but I am too easily persuaded by a good well written column. So I have to take care.
How churlish, all they need to do is look at the one that Blinglish and Shonky abolished which Clark n Cullen had put in place to fund akl public transport.
Naturally the MSM will not call it like it is, hypocracy and deception.
Interesting. Gorsuch might be such an obnoxious prat he ends up giving other conservative justices a nudge towards the centre.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/08/politics/neil-gorsuch-john-roberts-rivalry/index.html
gender and climate change:
Women tend to use more low carbon modes to get around (walking, public transport) than men, who are more wedded to their cars. (based on overseas studies)
And they burp less; men! We’re just big greenhouse gas emitters and there’s nothing can be done about it.
Men are inclined to fart and think it’s humourous!
And women can do it standing bolt upright and don’t find it at all amusing?
Walking around in my flash made-by-children high air miles shoes, smirking through my animal tested foundation, feeling ever so virtuous.
Wales are not going to Russia for the world cup, along with Scotland they get summer off. With their luck they’ll probably get Italy in the playoffs.
12.30 tomorrow and the Sth American final group games commence to see who NZ face in 5th place.
I think we’ll be lucky if we make the World Cup. We’ve got a great core of talented players like Rojas, Thomas, Wood, Reid, Barbarouses, but some of the other selections are perplexing. Also it looks like our game plan is constantly being revised each game and that can’t be good for cohesion.
I wonder if someone could arrange a sweepstake among the political punditocracy as to what the outcome might be. Get every one of them to write down their predicted result in a sealed envelope on Wednesday night and submit them to a neutral arbitrator.
That way, when we open our Friday newspapers, we’ll avoid the mendacious spectacle of around 85% of them writing pieces saying: ‘All along I was convinced that Winston would go with [fill in blank]. It was clear from day one which way he was heading…’.
Chart of the Day: Millennials Really Have Taken It On the Chin
US data of course but I suspect that we’d see the same thing here.
This from No Right Turn. http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/bigot-nation.html
The United States voted in the UN against condemning the death penalty for same sex acts and other rigid bans imposed by hateful groups.
Useful reflections from the British Green Party on how to avoid annihilation by being more picky about who they “stand aside” for, and who they form alliances with:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/09/green-party-rethinks-strategy-after-split-on-electoral-alliances
Oh hell! Winston has just said that his decision will cause ‘anguish’ to some. Somehow I see ‘anguish’ as being for the left, compared to the right who to me align more accurately with feelings of anger
Happy with how efficient the talks appear to be, two more sleeps, not long now. Heard Winston telling one of the newshub reporters that he had a good mind to announce the deal on TVNZ, lmao. Winston cracks me up. Have been rewatching a bit of parliament lately…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paYoguGanQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt7rmucpaKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwjVul4728
Thank Goodness that we have the clever Richard Prebble to guide us:
“Bill English and Jacinda Ardern have already failed the 80 per cent of New Zealanders who voted for the major parties. All because they refuse to phone each other.
The tail is wagging the dog.
So the first thing Bill English should do is start being a leader.
Pick up the phone. Ring up Jacinda and say: Let’s set some sensible rules for any coalition.”
It is what you do when you sense that you are losing ground.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11931472
And Seymour gets airtime on the Panel…
The 0.5% has very powerful friends.
I wonder who made the decision he was relevant.
Griffin?
Just another ACT mouthpiece.
Yes Ed. Hard to believe the endless Seymour self serving interviews. Weird! And very unwanted.
Powerful people want this puppet politician’s message heard a lot.
I am happy to ignore Prebble. I just we had ignored him a lot more in the 80’s.
The media still gibbering away about National and Greens,
Powerful people want this message heard a lot.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11931383
Why are so many fresh beans not fresh?
Fresh, Frozen? Lmao 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRQNGRvxcA
The only time I’ve enjoyed seeing Ramsay was when he appeared on David Letterman’s show…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaevLqVxoVE
ROFL !!!
It’s October.
What’s fresh this week.
Beans – December
http://www.whatsfresh.co.nz/browse/week/52
I know, and yet they advertise them as fresh beans.
The police were ‘concerned’ protesters against arms industry were ‘disrupting traffic’.
Pity they aren’t concerned that the army industry they are protecting is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide.
In Yemen
in Palestine
In Syria
In Iraq
In Myanmar
In Congo
In Libya
In Ukraine
…….
Still traffic disruption is a serious issue.
in West Papua
in the Philippines
in Somalia
in Mexico
in Myanmar
in Pakistan
in Afghanistan….
My those pesky protesters interrupted people’s days by blocking the roads.
Jeepers just drove down to hanmer – roadworks every 5 – 10ks. So much traffic, trucks – i shudder to think about summer. Hope the Kaikòura route sorted soon.
“roadworks every 5 – 10ks. So much traffic, trucks – i shudder to think about summer” Same as last summer I suspect.