Sadly, I now think Winston will go with National. He said these negotiations are like 1996, because of circumstances. The Green’s power in coalition is a risk factor which could be a stumbling block as it was with the Alliance.
Probably just going back and forth between Nats and Labour, and yesterday ended with Nats’ turn.
Nothing to see here. Though, I do not know whether a Labour or Nat led government will be best for the left in the long term. Depends on the details, the kind of alliance, and how it all plays out over time.
A Nat-NZF government, will curtail a lot of neoliberal policy. Meanwhile, it may give NZ Labour and the GP time to strengthen and build a stronger new direction.
The fact that the Green Party is not involved in talks is very suspicious. How can the left form a coalition government in the next 48 hours if the 3 parties have not had formal talks together yet.
Either the Greens are going to be locked out of government, and will have a confidence and supply agreement only (which will be a disaster); or
Winston is only talking to Labour to get as much out of National as possible.
The longer this goes on without the Greens been at the table, the more my concern grows
It may not be in the GP’s best interest to be too strongly involved with NZF in a coalition. Their long term interests may be best served with a C & S arrangement.
It could be that NZ1st is negotiating C&S rather than formal coalition. I.e, Either National or Labour/Greens in government and NZ1st sitting on the cross benches supporting which policies that they like.
However I still can’t see how Winston could support the left bloc on C&S if he isn’t talking to one of those left bloc partners.
Is Labour just going to front up on Thursday with a deal and say to the Greens, here it is James, take it or leave it?
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
The deadline isn’t set in stone. He chose it because October 12 is Return of the Writ Day – the final legal step in the electoral cycle.
There’s nothing that says a government must be formed by then.
Should National or Labour, or both, decide they need more time for their decision-making processes they could ask Peters to extend it.
Then it would be their fault.
Labour are in direct discussion/negotiations with the Greens.
There is some suggestion that this started last week; but this week they have been quite open about these negotiations and they have been reported in the media.
For example, yesterday Labour and Greens had negotiations in the morning while National was in negotiations with NZF. Today, Labour are expected to meet with Greens about now or early afternoon; again while National and NZF are talking.
Both Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters have made statements that there will not be three around the table negotiations and this is not appropriate. Labour, as the lead party in any coalition that is formed, will negotiate separately with the other two parties.
This is no different from the procedure used by National in previous years in negotiating support agreements with United Future, ACT and the Maori Party. They did separate and confidential negotiations with each of those parties. There were no ‘around the table’ negotiations with two or more of these parties present.
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
Further to my comments at 1.4.2.1.3 and link at 1.4.2.1.3.1 re the procedures being used in the negotiations including those between Labour and the GP, the link below is to Stuff’s live blog/article on today’s negotiations.
The first video currently is Jame Shaw replying to questions from the media about the GP/Labour negotiations and on the Greens’ procedures in relation to the timeframe set by Winston etc. Hopefuly this will give you some reassurance that the GP is part of the overall negotiations and that they seem to think that their procedures can cope.
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
That video is misleading. The implication is that the Greens will also decide on Thurs. I can’t see that happening. I wish people would stop framing all this as Thurs being when govt is decided. Thurs is when Peters has said he will decide. He doesn’t determine what other parties do, and the media shouldn’t be trying to either.
Presumably you wrote your comment after checking the Stuff link at 1.4.2.1.4 which contains a number of videos and is everchanging.
I did not find the video of Shaw himself talking to the media misleading. You may not have seen my follow-up comment at 1.4.2.1.4.1 (now immediately above your response), which quotes the Herald live blog summarising Shaw’s comments setting out the detailed process as he explained it to the media. This includes:
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
This full quote, as well as the last bit I have again quoted, is what Shaw himself said, and he presumably knows the Green Party process far better than anyone else.
Which process would be done by Thurs? The Party has to do a deal, then give the deal to the membership, then the delegates have to talk at a SGM. Do you really think that can be done between Peters’ announcement on Thurs and the end of Thurs? I’m hoping that Shaw meant the deal itself would be done by Thurs, not the consulting the party bit.
You don’t seem to have read the full quotein italics in my 1.4.2.1.4.1 which is a verbatim quote by the Herald of what Shaw himself said in his interview with the media late morning/early afternoon. This covers the whole process re membership, reference group, delegates, SGM etc. Here it is again.
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
I did read that. I think the delegates need time to talk to members. Again, how can this be done in half a day on Thurs? (give deal to members, get feedback, have SGM, discuss and reach consensus, or failing that have a vote).
If you have a problem with the process as set out by Jame Shaw – and yes I checked the Herald’s quote against the actual video of the interview – then take it up with Jame Shaw.
All I was doing was trying to let people know what was going on today re the negotiations. I am not even a Green member or voter – and resent being attacked by one for something their own leader has said.
I don’t know whether you have also checked the Newshub live site linked to at my 1.4.2.1.3.1 above, but that currently contains another separate video interview of Shaw by Lloyd Burr.
And that comment Robert is exactly why Winston will never have a working relationship with your tribe. He would assume you are referring to him as a new born baby. Your too bloody smart for your own good.
It could apply just as much to the Greens as NZF. I would expect a pollie
to be tougher than you consider. Remember they buy up cartoons of themselves, not often flattering.
Two more sleeps to go 😀 and the speculation continues via hand picked soundbites from the media designed to put us all on edge and keep us visiting their websites.
Meanwhile… has anyone noticed the cost of fuel lately. Around here there is up to a 15cent difference between petrol stations located less than 1km away from each other.
So much for judith doing something about it, that was all for show me thinks. national kept sowing seeds of distrust re tax during the election, pointing fingers at other parties, and all the while they were costing raising fuel tax (again) themselves.
I want a government I can trust, not a bunch of liars that will say anything to stay in power.
This from newsroom…
“Before the election Labour announced it would, if elected, introduce a 10 cent regional fuel tax in Auckland to help meet transport costs, and suggested the Government was itself already modelling a nationwide fuel tax increase to pay for its new motorways.
National denied this, saying there were no plans for a fuel tax and pointing the finger at Labour as the party planning to raise taxes.
But, according to documents released to the Greens under the Official Information Act, the Government appears to have at least been considering the possibility.”
Yes Cinny. Just been reading that and the hypocrisy of National regarding fuel tax is so typical. Especially since fuel tax for Auckland was ruled out so definitively over the last 5+ years.
Cinny. What do you think of Newsroom? I can’t detect overall bias and the items seem kosher. Not sure how it is financed but it is usual to follow the money???
Partners:Kiwibank, Chorus, Holden, Bell Gully, Victoria University and Auckland University.
Ian, I’ve really been enjoying what newsroom has been producing, and how generally well researched their articles are. It makes a difference from the usual dribble
Their partners are interesting, I don’t mind seeing their ad’s, at least they don’t start blarring audio etc like other online news outfits.
I think Newsroom has provided us with some valuable insight and information and they haven’t even been going that long. Every morning around 7am I go and check out their articles, long may that continue.
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How churlish, all they need to do is look at the one that Blinglish and Shonky abolished which Clark n Cullen had put in place to fund akl public transport.
Naturally the MSM will not call it like it is, hypocracy and deception.
Women tend to use more low carbon modes to get around (walking, public transport) than men, who are more wedded to their cars. (based on overseas studies)
I think we’ll be lucky if we make the World Cup. We’ve got a great core of talented players like Rojas, Thomas, Wood, Reid, Barbarouses, but some of the other selections are perplexing. Also it looks like our game plan is constantly being revised each game and that can’t be good for cohesion.
I wonder if someone could arrange a sweepstake among the political punditocracy as to what the outcome might be. Get every one of them to write down their predicted result in a sealed envelope on Wednesday night and submit them to a neutral arbitrator.
That way, when we open our Friday newspapers, we’ll avoid the mendacious spectacle of around 85% of them writing pieces saying: ‘All along I was convinced that Winston would go with [fill in blank]. It was clear from day one which way he was heading…’.
Basically, though, they’re worse off than pretty much every other generation. And this doesn’t even count the higher cost of both housing and education¹ since 1974, which obviously affects young adults more than other age groups.
US data of course but I suspect that we’d see the same thing here.
Useful reflections from the British Green Party on how to avoid annihilation by being more picky about who they “stand aside” for, and who they form alliances with:
Oh hell! Winston has just said that his decision will cause ‘anguish’ to some. Somehow I see ‘anguish’ as being for the left, compared to the right who to me align more accurately with feelings of anger
Happy with how efficient the talks appear to be, two more sleeps, not long now. Heard Winston telling one of the newshub reporters that he had a good mind to announce the deal on TVNZ, lmao. Winston cracks me up. Have been rewatching a bit of parliament lately…
Thank Goodness that we have the clever Richard Prebble to guide us:
“Bill English and Jacinda Ardern have already failed the 80 per cent of New Zealanders who voted for the major parties. All because they refuse to phone each other.
The tail is wagging the dog.
So the first thing Bill English should do is start being a leader.
Pick up the phone. Ring up Jacinda and say: Let’s set some sensible rules for any coalition.”
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Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Magdalena M.E. Bunbury, Postdoctoral Researcher, James Cook University Burial with a horse at the Rákóczifalva site, Hungary (8th century AD).Sándor Hegedűs, Hungarian National Museum, CC BY How do we understand past societies? For centuries, our main sources of information have been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathryn Willis, Postdoctoral Researcher, CSIRO Xavier Boulenger/Shutterstock In the two decades to 2019, global plastic production doubled. By 2040, plastic manufacturing and processing could consume as much as 20% of global oil production and use up 15% of the annual carbon ...
With our collective remembrance, and steadfast belief in our common humanity, we strengthen our hope and resolve to do what we can to foster dialogue and understanding, and to heal divisions in our pursuit of peace. ...
Principal reasons for the opposition is the loss of the public’s democratic right to have “a fair say” and the vital need for a government free from corruption, said Casey Cravens of Dunedin, president of the New Zealand Federation of Freshwater ...
Never mind the scoreboard – in the 2000 Bledisloe Cup decider, the real trans-Tasman battle was won before kickoff.First published in 2016. The dawn of the new millennium was a dark time for the All Blacks. Their final game pre-Y2K was a 22-18 loss to South Africa in the ...
I’m on the wrong side of 40, I never pursued creative work and now my job is killing my soul. Help! Want Hera’s help? Email your problem to helpme@thespinoff.co.nzDear Hera,May I start with the least original conversation opener you’re likely to hear around the motu at the moment, particularly in Wellington: ...
“Never again - No AUKUS” was the message of the wreath laid at this morning’s national ANZAC Day commemorative service at Pukeahu National War Memorial Park this morning by the Stop AUKUS group. ...
Until this month, Auckland swimmer Hazel Ouwehand had never met a qualifying time in an Olympic event for a New Zealand team, even as a junior. Now she’s very likely off to the Paris Olympics after swimming well under the qualifying standard in the 100m butterfly twice – both in ...
While Anzac Day has experienced a resurgence in recent years, our other day of remembrance has slowly faded from view.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand. Original illustrations by Hope McConnell.First published in 2022.The high school’s head girl and ...
Australian and New Zealand volunteers fought together in the Waikato War, yet still its place in the Anzac tradition is unacknowledged by our defence forces or Returned Services Association.First published in 2018.When I was a boy cub I attended Anzac Day services in the South Auckland suburb of ...
A poem by Wellington writer Tayi Tibble.Hoki Mai She kisses him goodbye with her eyes still wet and alight from their last swim in the Awatere river. At the train station celebration, she leads the Kapa Haka but her voice keeps breaking under and over itself like waves. ...
A poem from Bill Manhire’s 2017 book of verse Some Things to Place in a Coffin.My World War I Poem Inside each trench, the sound of prayer. Inside each prayer, the sound of digging. Image courtesy of Auckland War Memorial Museum. ...
There are three books I have wolfed down in one sitting over the last two years. Colleen Maria Lenihan’s gorgeous and sad debut Kōhine, Noelle McCarthy’s memoir Grand about becoming her mother and then unbecoming her, and now Hine Toa, a staunch yet gentle self-portrait by living legend Ngāhuia te ...
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Asia Pacific Report Students and activist staff at Australia’s University of Sydney (USyd) have set up a Gaza solidarity encampment in support of Palestinians and similar student-led protests in the United States. The camp was pitched as mass graves, crippled hospitals, thousands of civilian deaths and the near-total destruction of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By James B. Dorey, Lecturer in Biological Sciences, University of Wollongong Australian teddy bear bees are cute and fluffy, but get a look at that massive (unbarbed) stinger! James Dorey Photography Most of us have been stung by a bee and we ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jen Roberts, Senior Lecturer, School of Humanities and Social Inquiry, University of Wollongong Aussie~mobs/FlickrVictor Farr, a private in the 1st Infantry Battalion, was among the first to land at Anzac Cove just before dawn on April 25 1915. Victor Farr ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Moore, Senior Research Associate, School of Ecosystem and Forest Sciences, The University of Melbourne Gregory Moore I had the good fortune to care for the sugar gum at The University of Melbourne’s Burnley Gardens in Victoria where I worked for ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rachel Ong ViforJ, ARC Future Fellow & Professor of Economics, Curtin University Just when we think the price of rentals could not get any worse, this week’s Rental Affordability Snapshot by Anglicare has revealed low-income Australians are facing a housing crisis like ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tracey Holmes, Professorial Fellow in Sport, University of Canberra When the news broke last weekend that 23 Chinese swimmers had tested positive to a banned drug in early 2021 and were allowed to compete at the Tokyo Olympic Games six months later ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Cally Jetta, Senior Lecturer and Academic Lead; College for First Nations, University of Southern Queensland Australian War MemorialAboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised this article contains names and images of deceased people, as well as sensitive historical information ...
RNZ News Melissa Lee has been ousted from New Zealand’s coalition cabinet and stripped of the Media portfolio, and Penny Simmonds has lost the Disability Issues portfolio in a reshuffle. Climate Change and Revenue Minister Simon Watts will take Lee’s spot in cabinet. Simmonds was a minister outside of cabinet. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Lindenmayer, Professor, Fenner School of Environment and Society, Australian National University laurello/Shutterstock Some reports and popular books, such as Bill Gammage’s Biggest Estate on Earth, have argued that extensive areas of Australia’s forests were kept open through frequent burning by ...
Analysis - Christopher Luxon framing the demotion of two ministers as the portfolios getting "too complex" is a charitable way of saying they weren't up to the job. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra With Jim Chalmers’s third budget on May 14, Australians will be looking for some more cost-of-living relief – beyond the tax cuts – although they have been warned extra measures will be modest. As ...
Analysis: Melissa Lee has lost the media portfolio and her spot in Cabinet after multiple failed attempts to find solutions for a media industry in crisis. On Wednesday, the Prime Minister announced Lee would be losing her spot in Cabinet along with her media and communications ministerial portfolio. The job ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Simon Wilmot, Senior Lecturer, Film, Deakin University Among the many Australian who served during the second world war, there is a small group of people whose stories remain largely untold. These are the Muslim men and women who, while small in number, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kelly Saunders, PhD Candidate, University of Canberra There has been much analysis and praise of Justice Michael Lee’s recent judgement in Bruce Lehrmann’s defamation case against Channel Ten. Many people were openly relieved to read Lee’s “forensic” and “nuanced” application of law ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathy Gibbs, Program Director for the Bachelor of Education, Griffith University zEdward_Indy/Shutterstock Around one in 20 people has attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). It’s one of the most common neurodevelopmental disorders in childhood and often continues into adulthood. ADHD is diagnosed ...
The Fairer Future coalition of anti-poverty groups say Whaikaha must be properly funded going forward, and that to argue that poor financial management of the new Ministry is a red herring by the Prime Minister. ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is today congratulating Hon. Paul Goldsmith on his appointment as Minister for Media and Communications and urges him to rule out state intervention in the private media sector. ...
Asia Pacific Report The West Papuan resistance OPM leader has condemned Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and US President Joe Biden, accusing their countries of “six decades of treachery” over Papuan independence. The open letter was released today by OPM chairman Jeffrey P Bomanak on the eve of ANZAC Day ...
Welcome to The Spinoff Books Confessional, in which we get to know the reading habits and quirks of New Zealanders at large. This week: writer and one of Time Magazine’s 100 most influential people of 2024, Lauren Groff.The book I wish I’d writtenIf I wish I’d written a ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Fechner, Research Fellow, Social Marketing, Griffith University mavo/Shutterstock Imagine having dinner at a restaurant. The menu offers plant-based meat alternatives made mostly from vegetables, mushrooms, legumes and wheat that mimic meat in taste, texture and smell. Despite being given that ...
“Three Strikes is a dead-end policy proposed by a dead-end government. The Three Strikes law ignores the causes of crime, instead just brutalising people already crushed by the cost of living.” ...
By Don Wiseman, RNZ Pacific senior journalist An Australian-born judge in Kiribati could well face deportation later this week after a tribunal ruling that he should be removed from his post. The tribunal’s report has just been tabled in the Kiribati Parliament and is due to be debated by MPs ...
With its clear mandate for police use, political nuances, and nuanced public trust, Denmark's insights provide valuable considerations for Australia and New Zealand. ...
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How will the recent wave of job cuts impact ethnic diversity in the media? In November last year, I was working a very busy day in the newsroom of a large online news site, interviewing whānau about their concerns over the imminent closure of one of the few puna reo ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ruth Knight, Researcher, Queensland University of Technology Have you ever felt sick at work? Perhaps you had food poisoning or the flu. Your belly hurt, or you felt tired, making it hard to concentrate and be productive. How likely would you be ...
Despite heavy criticism and an ongoing select committee process, the Police Minister says the Government will forge ahead with a ban on gang patches. ...
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A new survey says ‘outlook not great’ for those charged with building infrastructure, while RMA changes delight farmers and depress environmentalists, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. First RMA changes announced ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Olli Hellmann, Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Waikato Getty Images When New Zealanders commemorate Anzac Day on April 25, it’s not only to honour the soldiers who lost their lives in World War I and subsequent conflicts, but also ...
A leaked document shows the Canterbury/Waitaha arm of health agency Te Whatu Ora is scurrying to save $13.3 million by July. The “financial sustainability target”, which was “allocated” to Waitaha, is consistent with what’s happening in other districts, says Sarah Dalton, executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. ...
A look at the state of the previous government’s affordable housing scheme, and what could come next.Remind me: What’s KiwiBuild again?First announced in 2012, KiwiBuild was a flagship policy of the Labour Party heading into both its 2014 and 2017 election campaigns. With Jacinda Ardern as prime minister, ...
Labour in opposition will be shocked to learn which party had six years in power but squandered any chance to make real change. Grant Robertson’s valedictory speech was a predictably entertaining trip down memory lane. The acid-tongued incoming Otago University chancellor administered a sick burn to the coalition government. He ...
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The following interview with former Green Party MP Sue Kedgley came about because she features in the new memoir Hine Toa by activist Ngāhuia te Awekōtuku; the two knew each other at the University of Auckland in the early 70s, when they were both took on leadership roles in the ...
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There’s relief for building owners bending under the weight of earthquake strengthening rules – and costs – that came into force seven years ago. Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk has announced a scheduled 2027 review of the earthquake-prone building regulations will now start this year. Owners will also get ...
Opinion: It has been announced that nine percent of roles at Oranga Tamariki will be disestablished, presumably to help fund the tax cuts promised by the coalition Government. I am reminded of the graphics used to illustrate pandemic events, where five thousand people are standing in a field and then ...
Sadly, I now think Winston will go with National. He said these negotiations are like 1996, because of circumstances. The Green’s power in coalition is a risk factor which could be a stumbling block as it was with the Alliance.
Patricia, have you read Chris Trotter’s entreaty?
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/dear-winston-open-letter-to-leader-of.html
1.1 Thank you Robert I needed that.
NZF did have 2 meetings with the Nats and only one with Labour yesterday…..but he will go with Labour.
Today NZF starts with talking to Labour, then to Nats, then an NZF caucus meeting, then possibly back to Labour
Probably just going back and forth between Nats and Labour, and yesterday ended with Nats’ turn.
Nothing to see here. Though, I do not know whether a Labour or Nat led government will be best for the left in the long term. Depends on the details, the kind of alliance, and how it all plays out over time.
It may be for the best of the left in the long run for NZF to go with the Nats.
There’s no telling how that will end, but change may be a-coming – if the continued developments of Corbyn’s Labour is any indication:
Corbyn calls for the re-nationalisation of public utilities.
A Nat-NZF government, will curtail a lot of neoliberal policy. Meanwhile, it may give NZ Labour and the GP time to strengthen and build a stronger new direction.
Badly and in short order.
The fact that the Green Party is not involved in talks is very suspicious. How can the left form a coalition government in the next 48 hours if the 3 parties have not had formal talks together yet.
Either the Greens are going to be locked out of government, and will have a confidence and supply agreement only (which will be a disaster); or
Winston is only talking to Labour to get as much out of National as possible.
The longer this goes on without the Greens been at the table, the more my concern grows
It may not be in the GP’s best interest to be too strongly involved with NZF in a coalition. Their long term interests may be best served with a C & S arrangement.
Perhaps.
But is it in New Zealand’s best interest that they stay out of government? Certainly not.
The country desperately needs them in the cabinet room, next week. Not in 10 years time
It could be that NZ1st is negotiating C&S rather than formal coalition. I.e, Either National or Labour/Greens in government and NZ1st sitting on the cross benches supporting which policies that they like.
Yep agreed.
However I still can’t see how Winston could support the left bloc on C&S if he isn’t talking to one of those left bloc partners.
Is Labour just going to front up on Thursday with a deal and say to the Greens, here it is James, take it or leave it?
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
He could be talking to the Greens via Labour. After all, Labour and the Greens do have that MoU.
That would be discussions between labour and the Greens which have been ongoing for some time.
The Greens have set up a process to do that.
I hope you are correct.
I’m just feeling very nervous at this stage of the game
We all are. I’m hoping that NZ1st remember the last time they supported a National government.
Peters has just said he/NZF would make a decision by the 12th. There could be further negotiations after that decision.
NZ Herald reported on 9 October:
Yep, that sounds like Winston and many other people on the right-wing – trying to bypass any responsibility for their own actions.
And that article was actually from the 6th of October.
Labour are in direct discussion/negotiations with the Greens.
There is some suggestion that this started last week; but this week they have been quite open about these negotiations and they have been reported in the media.
For example, yesterday Labour and Greens had negotiations in the morning while National was in negotiations with NZF. Today, Labour are expected to meet with Greens about now or early afternoon; again while National and NZF are talking.
Both Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters have made statements that there will not be three around the table negotiations and this is not appropriate. Labour, as the lead party in any coalition that is formed, will negotiate separately with the other two parties.
This is no different from the procedure used by National in previous years in negotiating support agreements with United Future, ACT and the Maori Party. They did separate and confidential negotiations with each of those parties. There were no ‘around the table’ negotiations with two or more of these parties present.
I meant to also include this link to Newhub’s live updates on today’s negotiations for more information. At present anyway, it includes video of Jacinda’s regular Tuesday interview on the AM show this morning where she talks about the negotiation procedures.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/live-updates-coalition-talks-intensify-on-day-two.html
Peter at 1.4.3 also provides the link to her interview on Morning Report this morning where she does likewise.
Don’t the Greens also need to consult with their members before making a decision. How can that take place in Winston’s timeframe. Weka am I correct on that point?
Further to my comments at 1.4.2.1.3 and link at 1.4.2.1.3.1 re the procedures being used in the negotiations including those between Labour and the GP, the link below is to Stuff’s live blog/article on today’s negotiations.
The first video currently is Jame Shaw replying to questions from the media about the GP/Labour negotiations and on the Greens’ procedures in relation to the timeframe set by Winston etc. Hopefuly this will give you some reassurance that the GP is part of the overall negotiations and that they seem to think that their procedures can cope.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97721263/day-three-of-negotiations–nz-first-and-labour-up-first-then-national
EDIT Video is now further down.
And from the Herald’s live blog/comments on today’s negotiations, here is their summary of James Shaw’s comments on the procedures:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11931486
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
That video is misleading. The implication is that the Greens will also decide on Thurs. I can’t see that happening. I wish people would stop framing all this as Thurs being when govt is decided. Thurs is when Peters has said he will decide. He doesn’t determine what other parties do, and the media shouldn’t be trying to either.
Presumably you wrote your comment after checking the Stuff link at 1.4.2.1.4 which contains a number of videos and is everchanging.
I did not find the video of Shaw himself talking to the media misleading. You may not have seen my follow-up comment at 1.4.2.1.4.1 (now immediately above your response), which quotes the Herald live blog summarising Shaw’s comments setting out the detailed process as he explained it to the media. This includes:
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
This full quote, as well as the last bit I have again quoted, is what Shaw himself said, and he presumably knows the Green Party process far better than anyone else.
Which process would be done by Thurs? The Party has to do a deal, then give the deal to the membership, then the delegates have to talk at a SGM. Do you really think that can be done between Peters’ announcement on Thurs and the end of Thurs? I’m hoping that Shaw meant the deal itself would be done by Thurs, not the consulting the party bit.
You don’t seem to have read the full quotein italics in my 1.4.2.1.4.1 which is a verbatim quote by the Herald of what Shaw himself said in his interview with the media late morning/early afternoon. This covers the whole process re membership, reference group, delegates, SGM etc. Here it is again.
Green Party leader James Shaw says the party’s need for a 75 per cent approval from the party membership should not hold up any potential coalition deal.
On his way to a meeting with the Labour Party, Shaw said the party could call a special general meeting “pretty quickly” to seek the 75 per cent mandate.
Asked if the process might hold up a potential deal between Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens, he said: “I shouldn’t think so.”
The Greens have set up a reference group that Shaw said had been invaluable. The group is the link between the negotiating team and the membership, and will decide how best to present the terms of any potential agreement to the party delegates.
The delegates would not have a chance to alter any of the terms during a special general meeting, which could be held online.
A membership vote would not necessarily take place. The party’s constitution says that a vote can be taken “if consensus on a motion is not achieved after reasonable attempts”. This would happen if, for example, a party delegate blocked the motion.
Shaw said it was realistic, but not guaranteed, to have the process done by Thursday.
“I should think so, but as I’ve said before, the process takes as long as it takes. A day here or there is no big deal.”
I did read that. I think the delegates need time to talk to members. Again, how can this be done in half a day on Thurs? (give deal to members, get feedback, have SGM, discuss and reach consensus, or failing that have a vote).
just checked with a couple of active members. You are right, Shaw’s timeframe will include the SGM and the party can make it’s decision that fast.
To Weka below – as no reply facility.
If you have a problem with the process as set out by Jame Shaw – and yes I checked the Herald’s quote against the actual video of the interview – then take it up with Jame Shaw.
All I was doing was trying to let people know what was going on today re the negotiations. I am not even a Green member or voter – and resent being attacked by one for something their own leader has said.
I wasn’t attacking you, I was responding to the media stuff you posted. I’ve since clarified with some active members, see my comment above.
fwiw, there is very little I see in the MSM now that I take at face value.
I don’t know whether you have also checked the Newshub live site linked to at my 1.4.2.1.3.1 above, but that currently contains another separate video interview of Shaw by Lloyd Burr.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/live-updates-coalition-talks-intensify-on-day-two.html
Ardern comments this morning on the negotiating arrangements here.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/341208/ardern-maintains-separate-negotiations
@Enough
Not sure why a confidence and supply agreement “would be a disaster”-perhaps you are not used to political parties that keep their word?
Strange comment BG.
A government without the Green Party will be a disaster.
the fact that Winston is not speaking directly with the greens would seem to indicate that.
No it does not.
tell me any circumstance where people preparing to take on great responsibility don’t talk to each other beforehand
Adopting a pre-lingual baby.
Lmfao !!!!!
Bit harsh on the Greens there! 😉
Brilliant!
LOLOLOL
And that comment Robert is exactly why Winston will never have a working relationship with your tribe. He would assume you are referring to him as a new born baby. Your too bloody smart for your own good.
It could apply just as much to the Greens as NZF. I would expect a pollie
to be tougher than you consider. Remember they buy up cartoons of themselves, not often flattering.
Could be an emergency C-section by the Kingmaker on Thursday giving birth to a Bill-inguinal baby AKA a kick in the groin.
Two more sleeps to go 😀 and the speculation continues via hand picked soundbites from the media designed to put us all on edge and keep us visiting their websites.
Meanwhile… has anyone noticed the cost of fuel lately. Around here there is up to a 15cent difference between petrol stations located less than 1km away from each other.
So much for judith doing something about it, that was all for show me thinks. national kept sowing seeds of distrust re tax during the election, pointing fingers at other parties, and all the while they were costing raising fuel tax (again) themselves.
I want a government I can trust, not a bunch of liars that will say anything to stay in power.
This from newsroom…
“Before the election Labour announced it would, if elected, introduce a 10 cent regional fuel tax in Auckland to help meet transport costs, and suggested the Government was itself already modelling a nationwide fuel tax increase to pay for its new motorways.
National denied this, saying there were no plans for a fuel tax and pointing the finger at Labour as the party planning to raise taxes.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/10/09/52342/government-investigating-fuel-tax-hike
But, according to documents released to the Greens under the Official Information Act, the Government appears to have at least been considering the possibility.”
Yes Cinny. Just been reading that and the hypocrisy of National regarding fuel tax is so typical. Especially since fuel tax for Auckland was ruled out so definitively over the last 5+ years.
Yes national said over and over again that a regional fuel tax can’t be done during the election cycle. Yet they were investigating doing it anyway.
Cinny. What do you think of Newsroom? I can’t detect overall bias and the items seem kosher. Not sure how it is financed but it is usual to follow the money???
Partners:Kiwibank, Chorus, Holden, Bell Gully, Victoria University and Auckland University.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/
Ian, I’ve really been enjoying what newsroom has been producing, and how generally well researched their articles are. It makes a difference from the usual dribble
Their partners are interesting, I don’t mind seeing their ad’s, at least they don’t start blarring audio etc like other online news outfits.
I think Newsroom has provided us with some valuable insight and information and they haven’t even been going that long. Every morning around 7am I go and check out their articles, long may that continue.
“Newsroom funds its journalism in three ways – subscriptions to our Newsroom Pro service, voluntary donations via Press Patron, and corporate sponsorship.
Corporate sponsorship is our biggest source of revenue and as part of these arrangements, Newsroom produces video content for our sponsors.
We do this using the same storytelling techniques we apply to our day-to-day reporting. However, this content is not independent and is made in conjunction with the sponsor.
The stories are produced with the same care and attention we give our journalism and we hope you find them interesting and informative.”
Yes. Newsroom is my first reading for the day too but I am too easily persuaded by a good well written column. So I have to take care.
How churlish, all they need to do is look at the one that Blinglish and Shonky abolished which Clark n Cullen had put in place to fund akl public transport.
Naturally the MSM will not call it like it is, hypocracy and deception.
Interesting. Gorsuch might be such an obnoxious prat he ends up giving other conservative justices a nudge towards the centre.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/08/politics/neil-gorsuch-john-roberts-rivalry/index.html
gender and climate change:
Women tend to use more low carbon modes to get around (walking, public transport) than men, who are more wedded to their cars. (based on overseas studies)
And they burp less; men! We’re just big greenhouse gas emitters and there’s nothing can be done about it.
Men are inclined to fart and think it’s humourous!
And women can do it standing bolt upright and don’t find it at all amusing?
Walking around in my flash made-by-children high air miles shoes, smirking through my animal tested foundation, feeling ever so virtuous.
Wales are not going to Russia for the world cup, along with Scotland they get summer off. With their luck they’ll probably get Italy in the playoffs.
12.30 tomorrow and the Sth American final group games commence to see who NZ face in 5th place.
I think we’ll be lucky if we make the World Cup. We’ve got a great core of talented players like Rojas, Thomas, Wood, Reid, Barbarouses, but some of the other selections are perplexing. Also it looks like our game plan is constantly being revised each game and that can’t be good for cohesion.
I wonder if someone could arrange a sweepstake among the political punditocracy as to what the outcome might be. Get every one of them to write down their predicted result in a sealed envelope on Wednesday night and submit them to a neutral arbitrator.
That way, when we open our Friday newspapers, we’ll avoid the mendacious spectacle of around 85% of them writing pieces saying: ‘All along I was convinced that Winston would go with [fill in blank]. It was clear from day one which way he was heading…’.
Chart of the Day: Millennials Really Have Taken It On the Chin
US data of course but I suspect that we’d see the same thing here.
This from No Right Turn. http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/bigot-nation.html
The United States voted in the UN against condemning the death penalty for same sex acts and other rigid bans imposed by hateful groups.
Useful reflections from the British Green Party on how to avoid annihilation by being more picky about who they “stand aside” for, and who they form alliances with:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/09/green-party-rethinks-strategy-after-split-on-electoral-alliances
Oh hell! Winston has just said that his decision will cause ‘anguish’ to some. Somehow I see ‘anguish’ as being for the left, compared to the right who to me align more accurately with feelings of anger
Happy with how efficient the talks appear to be, two more sleeps, not long now. Heard Winston telling one of the newshub reporters that he had a good mind to announce the deal on TVNZ, lmao. Winston cracks me up. Have been rewatching a bit of parliament lately…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paYoguGanQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt7rmucpaKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwjVul4728
Thank Goodness that we have the clever Richard Prebble to guide us:
“Bill English and Jacinda Ardern have already failed the 80 per cent of New Zealanders who voted for the major parties. All because they refuse to phone each other.
The tail is wagging the dog.
So the first thing Bill English should do is start being a leader.
Pick up the phone. Ring up Jacinda and say: Let’s set some sensible rules for any coalition.”
It is what you do when you sense that you are losing ground.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11931472
And Seymour gets airtime on the Panel…
The 0.5% has very powerful friends.
I wonder who made the decision he was relevant.
Griffin?
Just another ACT mouthpiece.
Yes Ed. Hard to believe the endless Seymour self serving interviews. Weird! And very unwanted.
Powerful people want this puppet politician’s message heard a lot.
I am happy to ignore Prebble. I just we had ignored him a lot more in the 80’s.
The media still gibbering away about National and Greens,
Powerful people want this message heard a lot.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11931383
Why are so many fresh beans not fresh?
Fresh, Frozen? Lmao 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRQNGRvxcA
The only time I’ve enjoyed seeing Ramsay was when he appeared on David Letterman’s show…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaevLqVxoVE
ROFL !!!
It’s October.
What’s fresh this week.
Beans – December
http://www.whatsfresh.co.nz/browse/week/52
I know, and yet they advertise them as fresh beans.
The police were ‘concerned’ protesters against arms industry were ‘disrupting traffic’.
Pity they aren’t concerned that the army industry they are protecting is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide.
In Yemen
in Palestine
In Syria
In Iraq
In Myanmar
In Congo
In Libya
In Ukraine
…….
Still traffic disruption is a serious issue.
in West Papua
in the Philippines
in Somalia
in Mexico
in Myanmar
in Pakistan
in Afghanistan….
My those pesky protesters interrupted people’s days by blocking the roads.
Jeepers just drove down to hanmer – roadworks every 5 – 10ks. So much traffic, trucks – i shudder to think about summer. Hope the Kaikòura route sorted soon.
“roadworks every 5 – 10ks. So much traffic, trucks – i shudder to think about summer” Same as last summer I suspect.