Open Mike 11/11/2018

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  1. James 1
    11 November 2018 at 6:32 am

    Really enjoyable game of rugby.

    Well done the mighty All Blacks.

  2. James 2
    11 November 2018 at 6:39 am

    Heather du Plessis-Allan Nails it this morning:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12157560

    Couple of great comments in there.

    “Lees-Galloway sounds like an intern trying to explain why he got the stationery order wrong.

    That, after blaming officials for the blunder, is close to pathetic. He can stop throwing his officials under the bus. It’s undignified.”

    • Puckish Rogue 2.1
      11 November 2018 at 7:30 am

      ‘The Immigration Minister previously told us he agonised over the decision. He told us it was “right up there… probably one of the most difficult decisions” he’s had to make.

      Now he’s admitted he didn’t even read the full file. And the decision took him less than an hour.’

      Even the most one-eyed Labour supporter would have to admit, at the very least, its not a good look

      • James 2.1.1
        11 November 2018 at 7:37 am

        He’s looking good for being the third minister being fired.

          • patricia bremner 2.1.1.1.1
            11 November 2018 at 5:44 pm

            Why didn’t Bridges stand down over his horrible remarks? Oh that’s right
            “He’s moving on” We wish. These attacks against ILG are just deflections.

        • mickysavage 2.1.1.2
          11 November 2018 at 8:37 am

          Why should he stand down? Do you know how busy he is? How many files he has to review? How much other work he has?

          Honest this is such a big beat up. And out there in voter land it is not resonating. It is giving you righties something to jump up and down but we all know you are trying to divert attention.

          For me I would like to know why National partitioned the $100k donation from the guy who then received a Government honour. And who is going to be charged.

        • gsays 2.1.1.3
          11 November 2018 at 12:53 pm

          Speaking of getting fired, Simon is running out of Fridays to announce his ‘retirement’ that will get swept away by an All Blacks win.

          It would have to be this Friday, I reckon.

      • marty mars 2.1.2
        11 November 2018 at 7:42 am

        Not a good look is okay. The “oh it’s so shocking” rightwing lines are just so overblown – all sounding like simple simon now but desperation does that lol.

        • Charlie 2.1.2.1
          11 November 2018 at 7:46 am

          Good point marty, sounds just like simon…..repetitively boring.

        • Puckish Rogue 2.1.2.2
          11 November 2018 at 7:52 am

          We shall see, he’s already made Jacinda and Winston look silly so he better hope theres nothing more to come

          • marty mars 2.1.2.2.1
            11 November 2018 at 8:01 am

            No he hasn’t really but whatever floats your boat – with the gnats dropping like a stone it makes sense that you righties will scratch around for anything – fill ya boots mate lol

          • patricia bremner 2.1.2.2.2
            11 November 2018 at 5:47 pm

            Both have supported him, Winston in particular. Sorry PR, won’t wash!!
            Hooten has it right, “Slow steady decline in the polls is hard to reverse National will be in trouble.”
            That from their biggest fan, says it all LOLz.

      • mac1 2.1.3
        11 November 2018 at 7:55 am

        How many pages in the file?

        • mac1 2.1.3.1
          11 November 2018 at 1:56 pm

          Puckish Rogue. The answer. (Welcome back btw. I hope your new job won’t require too many files at several hundred pages to be read….)

          “Immigration New Zealand (INZ) general manager Stephen Dunstan confirmed on Friday the Sroubek file was “several hundred” pages long, with sentencing judges’ notes appended to it.
          The “really good summary” in the case file was was about 12 pages long, he said.
          The construction of files going to the minister had been done the same way for 15 years, he said.
          The standard practice included reasons why the person was liable, the person’s immigration history, details about any convictions, the client’s personal circumstances and any comments they wanted to make, which were sometimes quite extensive, he said.”

          How long to read a file of several hundred pages?

          A quick query of google gives this. “For an average reader that reads about 200 words per minute, the reading time of 100 such pages would be about 2 hours at least. Still, this is way too theoretical, as reading is also impacted by other factors such as motivation, concentration, distractions, vocabulary, structure and difficulty of text, etc.”

          Over a day, then, to read a file of several hundred pages at 50 pages per hour.

          Just how much is ‘reading a file’? Is it every word, fully considered, taking notes and following all footnotes and references to other material? Because anything less is not ‘reading the file”. Anyone who says it is less than this, is then arguing that less would be OK.

          It then becomes an argument over what is acceptable in order to make an informed decision.

          • Chris T 2.1.3.1.1
            11 November 2018 at 2:18 pm

            The dude gets paid about 300k a year to do it and there is nothing stopping him taking a couple of weeks to read the fricken thing properly.

            I’m sorry, but it being a few hundred pages so it is too much for him is ridculous

            • Incognito 2.1.3.1.1.1
              11 November 2018 at 5:05 pm

              The dude gets paid to read loads of things in order to make loads of decisions that affect the lives of loads of people. To be able to do his job well and efficiently the dude relies on loads of public servants and the likes who often get paid loads of dosh.

              • Chris T …
                11 November 2018 at 6:31 pm

                You seem to have an amazing insight into how wrong the report was he was given.

                Care to point out all the things he wasn’t given?

                • BM …
                  11 November 2018 at 7:14 pm

                  I don’t believe that Lees-Galloway is this incompetent, he must be hating the character assassination he’s coping.

                  The dude was instructed to grant permanent residency, who told him to do it is the real story here, who’s he taking it up the chook for?

                  Will the media put aside their left-wing bias and properly investigate this story?

                  Probably not.

                • Incognito …
                  11 November 2018 at 7:36 pm

                  Didn’t say a word about the report and only (!) responded to your comment @ 2.1.3.1.1 about the Minister’s job description and workload and his remuneration.

                  However, feel free to elaborate about the report, what’s in it and what’s not, what ILG read and what he didn’t read but should have. Even better, provide a link to the full report and I’ll take a few weeks off to read it – I’m a slow reader too – all unpaid and at no direct cost to the Taxpayer.

                  Do we have a deal?

                  • Chris T …
                    11 November 2018 at 7:45 pm

                    Fair point

                    We don’t know all of what was or wasn’t in it.

                    We probably never will as this govt seems to be rather un-transparent when it comes to releasing information and reports.

                    I think if it was a bet I would go for the multiple experts working for him probably being in the right, and the one bloke who admitted he didn’t actually read the whole report and made the decision within an hour probably being in the wrong

                  • Anne …
                    11 November 2018 at 8:46 pm

                    Speed reading is any of several techniques used to improve one’s ability to read quickly. Speed reading methods include chunking and minimizing subvocalization. The many available speed reading training programs include books, videos, software, and seminars. Wikipedia

                    Some people are good at it. ILG may well be one of them. David Lange’s ability to speed read was said to be brilliant.

                    • Incognito …
                      11 November 2018 at 9:16 pm

                      I was being facetious, Anne. I can read & research a fair amount of info in a given time when not distracted or (too) tired. See also mac1’s comment @ 2.1.3.1.

                    • Anne …
                      11 November 2018 at 9:20 pm

                      I guessed that Incognito but thought it was a possibility re- ILG that no-one appears to have examined yet.

                    • Incognito …
                      11 November 2018 at 9:33 pm

                      True and as usual there’s a lot making up shit speculation going on, from both ‘sides’, may I add.

          • Puckish Rogue 2.1.3.1.2
            11 November 2018 at 2:42 pm

            Well presumably he probably only read between the lines so it would have been even quicker

            (If I get the job then I better not be reading too many files 😉 )

    • Robert Guyton 2.2
      11 November 2018 at 7:53 am

      “like an intern trying to explain why he got the stationery order wrong.”
      Fair call and did she also wonder aloud at how frothed-up, hysterical even, National and her “dags” (such as yourself, James 🙂 have got themselves over ordering the wrong stationery?

    • AB 2.3
      11 November 2018 at 10:19 am

      The only thing HDPA has ever nailed is the extraordinary privilege of getting a platform in the Herald. From that position she can inflict her ugly prose style and shabby thinking on the rest of us, if we are foolish enough not to ignore her.
      Everything she writes looks like a steaming pile of lazy, disconnected snippets chucked onto the page with the only concern being that the cheque arrives afterwards.

    • Grey Area 2.4
      11 November 2018 at 5:38 pm

      Sqwark!

  3. James 3
    11 November 2018 at 6:45 am

    Kiwibuild to go “kiwibust”?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108471157/kiwibuild-at-threat-of-going-kiwibust-over-plummeting-popularity

    Guess that’s why the are allowing people to flip homes and air b&b them.

    • Charlie 3.1
      11 November 2018 at 6:59 am

      Good game…

      Echo

      Echo

    • mickysavage 3.2
      11 November 2018 at 9:00 am

      Can you guys work out your lines?

      Houses are too expensive but the young people are going to sell them for mega dollars.

      They are too small yet too big. They are too close to the cities but too far away.

      And asking a developer and Judith Collins for comment …

    • Incognito 3.3
      11 November 2018 at 11:45 am

      Economist Shamubeel Eaqub said low ballot figures did not point to any likelihood of loss on unsold homes. At worst, the Government would on sell a home at the price it paid for it, and to buyers who may not have originally qualified for Kiwibuild.

      • SaveNZ 3.3.1
        11 November 2018 at 2:52 pm

        Again why is Kiwibuild run like a lottery in stead of needs based applicants going to the top of the queue?

        People who qualify for permanent residency also can apply, so no doubt people like the drug smuggler if he was a first home buyer and the sex offender to name a few can qualify once they are permanent residents. (Can only take 2 years to gain permanent residency according to NZ immigration site).

        Also the 3 year timeframe is obviously an issue, would be better to have the house returned for the same amount they paid plus interest rather than allowing the sale or rent within 3 years.

        There is better uses of new housing to help those renting with cheaper rents, who can then can save enough, to buy on the open market and the house stays helping NZer who need it more, not goes off into private hands for subsequent speculation.

        • Herodotus 3.3.1.1
          11 November 2018 at 5:52 pm

          Remember this is what was presented by labour for last year selection
          https://www.labour.org.nz/kiwibuild
          “KiwiBuild homes will only be sold to first home buyers. To avoid buyers reaping windfall gains, a condition of sale will require them to hand back any capital gain if sold on within 5 years.”
          – I will refrain from making any commentary on election pledges ….
          AND
          https://www.labour.org.nz/housing
          Tax property speculators who flick houses within five years
          Labour will extend the bright line test from the current two years to five years. This will target speculators who buy houses with the aim of making a quick capital gain. Current exemptions from the bright line test will continue.

          • Incognito 3.3.1.1.1
            11 November 2018 at 7:44 pm

            You do realise that it was Shamubeel Eaqub’s opinion @ 3.3, don’t you?

            • Herodotus 3.3.1.1.1.1
              11 November 2018 at 8:01 pm

              My comment was directed to the 3 year limit on sale – When Labour in their policy manifesto refers to 5 year stand down. If we cannot trust what Labour went to the polls over. Many here attached (IMO correctly) Nats for not keeping election promises. Now we see Labour being as “honest” in breaking their promises.- ” a condition of sale” so was this condition place on the initial 18 buyers ? If it wasn’t then the election pledge was just a Lie to get us to vote for labour ??
              https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108157197/first-kiwibuild-families-welcomed-to-new-homes-by-prime-minister
              Note the behaviour of Labour is fast merging to be indistinguishable to the last regime 🤬But some are blind to anyone pointing this out to them

              • Incognito …
                11 November 2018 at 9:19 pm

                Fair comment. Please note that I wasn’t commenting on KiwiBuild per se but on the unbalanced commenting on it here. Partisan debate is an oxymoron.

    • Grey Area 3.4
      11 November 2018 at 5:39 pm

      Squark!

  5. James 5
    11 November 2018 at 7:32 am

    Must be difficult for parents with labour not being able to solve the disputes with teachers

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108490625/primary-teachers-confirm-nationwide-strike-after-mediation-fails

    Labour seem scared to annoy the unions

    • Rapunzel 5.1
      11 November 2018 at 7:46 am

      For some possibly but don’t underestimate the willing grandparents or similar who are happy to step up. Many of us do it across the year holidays etc and if in this instance, though there wil be those not fortunate to have that happy option, there are one or two others that need someone to superivise for the day I’m sure most will manage.

      • Cinny 5.1.1
        11 November 2018 at 9:38 am

        Last time many businesses allowed their staff to bring the kids in for the day.

        Am lucky enough to work from home, makes things easier during times like this.

        Guessing will have a few extra’s show up, but that’s nothing new, all the neighbourhood kids tend to show up here after 3pm on a week day anyways.

        In a smaller community everyone just helps out and gets on with it.

    • mac1 5.2
      11 November 2018 at 8:11 am

      James, lead us through the logic which takes right wing anti-Labour, anti-union commentators from a position where Labour is in the pocket of the unions and is afraid to annoy them to one where Labour won’t do their bidding and cave into them.

    • Antoine 5.3
      11 November 2018 at 8:51 am

      Hey James

      I am not the most left wing guy myself, but I think it is a bit lame to come onto a left wing blog and saturate the open mike with anti left posts. You and PR have two thirds of the comments on here. ..

      A.

      • Puckish Rogue 5.3.1
        11 November 2018 at 8:59 am

        I blame rugby tests starting at 0400hrs

      • James 5.3.2
        11 November 2018 at 9:23 am

        Sorry if you prefer an echo chamber.

        • Cinny 5.3.2.1
          11 November 2018 at 9:44 am

          Beautiful day out there James, what are you up to ?

          I’m taking the kids up the valley to the farm/commune later on, hut building and horse riding on the agenda.

        • Incognito 5.3.2.2
          11 November 2018 at 11:56 am

          We feel sorry for parrots that accidentally stray in our ‘echo chamber’ and can’t find their way out. We usually feed them sound soundbites to sustain them through their ordeal and let them find their way. Some keep flying into the walls despite being well lit and signposted; it is so sad and it breaks our hearts, but shit happens and we don’t want to take away their freedom or personal choice and responsibility. As BM was saying here yesterday “[t]he stong will adapt and survive, the weak will perish.” [sic]

      • mpledger 5.3.3
        11 November 2018 at 9:52 am

        The polls are appalling so the nats have to get their messaging out. I wonder if James is paid extra to work on Sundays.

        • Antoine 5.3.3.1
          11 November 2018 at 10:29 am

          Don’t be a knob no one gets paid to comment on here

          A.

          • Grey Area 5.3.3.1.1
            11 November 2018 at 3:30 pm

            How can you say that so categorically?

            G.

          • mpledger 5.3.3.1.2
            11 November 2018 at 7:35 pm

            How naive.

            • Antoine 5.3.3.1.2.1
              12 November 2018 at 11:40 am

              Oh, come on, be realistic. No one on the right cares enough about the Standard to spend money undermining it. The right wing commenters here are just misfits who get amusement out of winding you guys up. Really.

              A.

              • Incognito …
                12 November 2018 at 10:02 pm

                You obviously have no idea how these things work, which actually is a plus. TS is free platform that’s read by many so the temptation is strong to (mis)use it. The best scams, the best manipulations are the ones that go unnoticed, like subliminal messages. Those messages are not in the exact words that are written but in the framing, the emotive connections they make.

                I..

    • Ankerrawshark 5.4
      11 November 2018 at 9:16 am

      James your getting like Simon now, barking at every car this morning…..we have yet to see how KiwiBuild will unfold, although I see the reserve bank are saying that in the main KiwiBuild will be additional houses, not just houses that would have been built anyway. Besides, I didn’t think you would mind people turning a profit from housing……….that’s what national allowed

    • Ankerrawshark 5.5
      11 November 2018 at 9:18 am

      James I think most parents will be thrilled about the 600 extra seniors labour has just announced. Also last survey I read was that the public supported the nurses and teachers striking

    • bwaghorn 5.6
      11 November 2018 at 10:32 am

      Have to say the unions are fucking me of . For 9 years the aged and scraped to the nats and now they are doing their best th o put them back in power.

      • marty mars 5.6.1
        11 November 2018 at 10:35 am

        Yeah they had a boot on their neck and you blame them for not being able to get up.

        • Rapunzel 5.6.1.1
          11 November 2018 at 11:20 am

          It’s a mystery what people expect, including the employers complaining the “lack” of “experienced” staff – did it never occur to them to train them thenselves.
          The only way to “fix” all this it seems is for someone to step up with a big, fat magic wand.

        • bwaghorn 5.6.1.2
          11 November 2018 at 11:39 am

          Isn’t that when you fight the hardest?
          All those people that are supposedly in labours territory (the low income workers on shitty contracts) will pay the price for the teacher strikes . Not the wealthy middle and upper classes who have stay at home parents and on tape day care.

          • marty mars 5.6.1.2.1
            11 November 2018 at 11:50 am

            Nah pay them and everything is sorted. Sure as hell everyone moans when the kids don’t get educated.

            You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think unions weren’t fighting their hardest during the gnat years.

            • bwaghorn 5.6.1.2.1.1
              11 November 2018 at 11:53 am

              The last offer was huge!!

              • marty mars …
                11 November 2018 at 12:07 pm

                Yeah they’re only teaching our precious children. They should pay us for the priviledge.

              • Herodotus …
                11 November 2018 at 12:53 pm

                Its not even catchup from the last 9 years, and aspects of this do not come into effect until 2020. And if the NZEI don’t standup now it will be another 3 years, until the next opportunity rolls around.
                Full time teaching on $59k pa and 10years service is not raking it in

              • Stuart Munro …
                11 November 2018 at 7:20 pm

                It’s not just the pay – it’s the screwarounds.

                The financial insecurity and stress caused by stupidities like Novopay probably caused hundreds to leave the profession.

                • bwaghorn …
                  12 November 2018 at 2:06 pm

                  I try to be sympathetic . But my kids school took Friday as a teachers only day on the first week back this term . It’s not the first time they’ve done that . Taking the piss a bit I reckon

                  • KJT …
                    12 November 2018 at 2:28 pm

                    Well. You had best talk to the education department about the compliance and paperwork load on teachers. most of it to give office staff something to do, rather than helping education.

  6. cleangreen 6
    11 November 2018 at 7:35 am

    NZ Human Rights is shockingly “not legally bound to recognise legally any ‘human rights’ of any person who applies for anything”, we found out last week from an immigration Lawyer!!!!!!!.

    My Son as a born NZ citizen was refused hisn human right to put in an application with the NZ Immigration department a few weeks ago.

    My Son advised me that two days ago asked for a review to have his application to allow his Germen Fiancee come from Germany for a short work visa while they await a permanent resident and get married but was told Immigration ‘does not recognise or is controlled by any ‘human rights provisions’

    My son then approached a legal consultant, ; – quote “An Immigration lawyer stated the NZ Human Rights do not apply to NZ Immigration”.

    So they confirmed they cannot intervene or consider even my son’s case to have his fiancee come in with a ‘temporary work visa’.

    Labour has a screwed up case with the drug dealer, Sroubek case but to refuse entry for a short term work visa for a member of a german born woman is also very suspect when he is still here after years?

    You cannot quote drug dealer, Sroubek should be given “human rights” when my son’s fiancee a legally bonafide citizen of Germany is not given “Human rights” to come here to get married and get a short term work visa!!!!! – where is the logic in that?

    • James 6.1
      11 November 2018 at 7:44 am

      If the German isn’t allowed here under the current rules – then they are doing their job. Sounds like she doesn’t meet the requirements for a short term work visa.

      Just because you son likes her it’s not his human right to have here here.

      That’s just a bullshit cry from someone who doesn’t want to follow the law.

    • SaveNZ 6.2
      11 November 2018 at 7:56 am

      Cleangreen, maybe if she is a drug smuggler ‘at risk of her life’ and been in prison for years and happy to give real or false information to somebody, she might have more ‘human rights’ in NZ.

      The take home for migrants is that criminal activity is ok here and helps you, fake all the info on your immigration application because once here it does not matter if you lied, while having any sort of honesty or ethics of getting into NZ will generally stop you coming here.

    • marty mars 6.3
      11 November 2018 at 8:10 am

      It sounds stressful cleangreen – I hope it is sorted soon and she can get here and the wedding (YAY) can occur soon.

    • solkta 6.4
      11 November 2018 at 8:30 am

      a legally bonafide citizen of Germany

      What difference should it make that she is German?

      • James 6.4.1
        11 November 2018 at 8:37 am

        None.

        It’s just cleangreens inflated sense of entitlement.

      • James 6.4.2
        11 November 2018 at 8:40 am

        I wonder if cleangreen would have made comment if she was a citizen of a “less white” country.

        Are this girls human rights (to come to NZ when Not fulfilling the immigration requirements) any less than other countries?

        • OnceWasTim 6.4.2.1
          11 November 2018 at 8:52 am

          “I wonder if cleangreen would have made comment if she was a citizen of a “less white” country.”
          Now we know you REALLY ARE getting desperate, because it just so happens that criteria coincides with what was dreamed up in that non-racist demographic profiling spreadsheet.
          ………. sounds like
          ………. I wonder
          ………. perhaps
          ………. maybe
          ………. possibly she could try maybe the UK, or the US, or Australia first and get a passport, then reapply. Or maybe she could get together $million and come in as an entrepreneur making all sorts of promises ………. maybe …….perhaps

        • cleangreen 6.4.2.2
          11 November 2018 at 9:31 am

          James you are insulting our family now.

          My son sam was on the National TV network Newhub two weeks ago and was straight up about his issue about his job, and his fiancee and his shock that his fiancee and i will not lower our level of self respect responding to your crassness you are simply a troll.

          Son got hundreds of positive support for his case on his social blog site you are to be ignored.

      • greywarshark 6.4.3
        11 November 2018 at 9:17 am

        I think it is the bonafide part that cleangreen is underlining, and of course
        Germany is a nation that we have no quarrels with. Why wouldn’t this woman have the right to come here on a short-term visa? Immigration needs to be transparent. I’m thinking that these so-called government agencies march to their own drum; while governments come and go, the pollies need to be able to get some traction.

        • James 6.4.3.1
          11 November 2018 at 9:20 am

          Why wouldn’t she be allowed to come here?

          Simple – she dosnt meet the criteria

          It’s not a human rights issue.

        • solkta 6.4.3.2
          11 November 2018 at 9:23 am

          I still don’t get it. Would it be different if she was a bona fide Indian citizen? How many applicants for visas would be not be of the nationality they claim to be?

        • cleangreen 6.4.3.3
          11 November 2018 at 9:46 am

          Thanks greyshark, I have met Jasmine my about to be daughter in law and she has a high list of university qualifications and would be a benefit to NZ and is currently employed in a German government agency and simply wants to come here to reside as she plans to get married to my son who is working overtime as a master electrician wiring NZ housing properties and his company went to the national MP for TukiKi (HB) asking him to help keep him here as he was born in Napier in 1986.

          The german woman (Jasmine) needs to be ‘productive’ as she has principals! – as she would not want to ‘live on the dole here or anywhere’ , so he now will now be forced to leave NZ for Germany on 8th december to live with jasmine until she is allowed a residency and immigration have told my son that they cannot say for certain then when she would be allowed in then.

          So we loose a highly sought skilled electrician and what are we going to get to replace him?

          (Head shakes in bewilderment)!!!!

          • greywarshark 6.4.3.3.1
            11 November 2018 at 10:05 am

            cleangreen
            My head goes round too! Just ridiculous. As I say there has to be transparency in immigration, and I think some culling of staff. I wonder how the administration-civil servant system can be better organised? In the USA each administration employs their own new people I think. That seems unwise, and we had the tradition of apolitical, experienced public servants serving the public,
            and working for and with each political party as their term came.

            But immigration has been doing dodgy things over the decades. Everyone who wants to come can’t, but some who seem to offer much get sent away or have a hard time getting in. Perhaps the woman is over-educated for us, we are settling into being a nation of serfs run by an elite from overseas.
            How much money can she raise and bank here? Apparently it doesn’t have to stay here for long? It’s the look of things that count here, not the substance.

            • solkta 6.4.3.3.1.1
              11 November 2018 at 10:18 am

              From what i can understand the issues is not whether or not she can come here but rather if she can work from the very first day and before she is married to cleangreen’s son. Somehow cleangreen seems to think this violates the woman’s human rights.

        • SaveNZ 6.4.3.4
          11 November 2018 at 12:42 pm

          Personally I’m all for people born in Germany coming to NZ if they have the skills and good character, no matter what ethnicity and actually not all germans are ‘white’ for those woke lefties/far righties. People from Germany would be good to attract because they have a decent education system, free health care and free university over there and reciprocal super as well (I think). It is also a liberal and democratic country that has one of the strongest economies in the world in particular for manufacturing while also having decent labour laws.

          It is also a democratic country where it’s citizens have certain expectations of it’s government. Someone was telling me that even if you are in the trades as a carpet layer then you must guarantee your workmanship for 10 years. Industry train tradies over there and if you do a bad job and don’t fix it, they send you to jail as the expectation is quality over there for construction.

          Tenants are expected to return their properties back to the original state and jobs over there are permanent in most cases. German workers are not going to be made redundant at the drop of a hat so therefore can put down roots and that is their expectation (rather than gig economy). .

          They are also often very green conscious and have good civic codes.

          I’m sure like all countries there are plenty of criminals over there, but you have a better chance there of someone benefiting NZ and not turning to crime from there, than where it is going now in NZ aka down the toilet with fake workers, fake educational degrees, very low level of skills like fruit picking and petrol attending and fast food work and relationships based on benefits. As well as Drug smugglers and child molesters getting residency approval from MP’s.

          • SaveNZ 6.4.3.4.1
            11 November 2018 at 3:02 pm

            Speaking of relationships based on benefits and the benefactors…

            Confessions of a sugar baby: The NZ women who accept gifts for dates
            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12153389

            “Originally from northern China, Vivian — not her real name — meets her sugar daddies on various websites including English-language sites like The SugarBook and SeekingArrangement, as well as Hong Kong-based sites.

            “Overall, I think I have entered into relationship arrangements about eight times … it is like being in an open relationship,” Vivian says.

            The youngest of her three sugar daddies is a 40-year-old businessman from Hong Kong. The oldest is a retired 66-year-old grandfather from Malaysia. The third man is from Taiwan.

            She says they are aware of each other’s existence and all have families back home but she’s not sure if they are all still married — they ask her more questions than she asks them.”

            “When I first came to New Zealand, I was envious of all the branded goods that my other international student friends had,” she says.

            “I tried looking for part-time work and even worked in a massage parlour, but I was earning nowhere near the money I needed to buy all the things that my friends had.”

            The sugar daddies she met have also lavished her with gifts, including a Xiaomi Mi 8 mobile phone and a MacBook Pro.

            Vivian is one of many young women in New Zealand shunning traditional student jobs and the minimum wage to pair up with men who can buy them what they need.

            “Lifestyle choices and payment of university fees in an era of heightened competition in tandem with diminishing financial scholarships often catapult students into the outstretched arms of sugared relationship,” says Edwina Pio, Auckland University of Technology professor of diversity.”

            • SaveNZ 6.4.3.4.1.1
              11 November 2018 at 3:04 pm

              Lucky she can afford the rents in Auckland…

              “She lives alone in a posh two-bedroom apartment on Lorne St in central Auckland. She has no idea how much her rent is because its paid for before she gets bill.

              While many of her mates at university work part time on minimum wage, Vivian gets thousands of dollars transferred into her bank account every month which help her pay her school fees.”

              Keep building those apartments Kiwibuild with taxpayer land, sounds like you are going to need them! sarcasm.

    • Sabine 6.5
      11 November 2018 at 10:11 am

      That is a fairly common thing.

      My kiwi husband and i lived and got married in Germany to avoid that precise scenario. It helped that he liked Germany enough to live there, and as my husband he was immediatly ‘tolerated’ i.e. had a permit to stay and work in the country, and he was put on my medical insurance. So essentially he was covered for all eventualities.

      The same happened when we moved to Holland once i got a job there. No issues.

      I would suggest to maybe trying it the other way around.

      NZ has an issue with so called ‘white weddings’ marriages of convenience, and is quite happy to not allow fiances or girlfriends/boyfriends in on visas. Happened to my brother in law a few years ago. They overcame the issue exactly the same way. He moved to her country and they got married there, lived there for a few years and then he moved with her back to NZ.

      It is fairly easy to get married in Germany, i might add.

    • One Two 6.6
      11 November 2018 at 1:18 pm

      Valuable information, CG…thank you for sharing

      Some questions:

      * What is ‘NZ’
      * What is ‘Immigration NZ’
      * What are ‘Human Rights’
      * Who are ‘NZ’ and Immigration NZ’ et al bound by and controlled by ?
      * What are ‘NZ’ and Immigration NZ’

      • Ad 6.6.1
        11 November 2018 at 2:23 pm

        Go read the relevant immigration acts: all the terms are defined for you in black and white, at the beginning of each act.

        • One Two 6.6.1.1
          11 November 2018 at 3:10 pm

          Legalese doesn’t come in either black or white, Ad

          • Ad 6.6.1.1.1
            11 November 2018 at 6:33 pm

            It will all be legalese to you since you don’t even have the capacity to comprehend the definition sections.

            Whereas CleanGreen will get there with the right advice.

            • One Two 6.6.1.1.1.1
              11 November 2018 at 9:37 pm

              No capacity you say, Ad..

              Legalese…seems you’re not familiar with the actual meaning of the word…or it’s historical deception…

              But then you’ve also described war remembrance ceremonies as ‘beautiful’…

    • Ad 6.7
      11 November 2018 at 2:18 pm

      The consultant your son choose is wrong: BORA applies to our immigration acts.
      Get a new consultant.

      • cleangreen 6.7.1
        11 November 2018 at 3:59 pm

        Thanks AD,
        I will advise Sam. – that is helpful.

        I am relaying what he told me his “Immigration consultant” told him when he enquired.

        My Son originally went to Germany in 2005 as a qualified Chef and took an apprenticeship to become an Electrician as they German Government has a good apprenticeship system so he took it on and after 7yrs after being a chief he came home 10 yrs later in 2015 and had to spend 18 months completing his NZ qualifications to become a master electrician so at a cost of $5000 to become kiwi legal and as a german speaking kiwi he was well placed to return anywhere in the world.

        Sadly we are now all the poorer for loosing this skill and young talent due to shortsighted NZ Immigration officials sadly.

        My question now is;

        ” what is the NZ taxpayer forced to pay to upskill another overseas person to cover another “master electrician” as my Son has become?

        As for his fiancee Jasmine, she is english speaking reasonably fluent and with a very pleasant manner and holds a German University qualification in business management. She currently works in a German Government employment agency. She is 31 yrs old and to old for a student work permit by one year.

        Sams press statement was how come the Czech drug criminal is allowed to remain and was working but Jasmine was not allowed even to apply for a short term work permit?

        Sam was told by four different NZ Immigration folks; Quote’ “do not waste your time as we will not read the application” unquote.

        Hands now shaking.!!!!!!

        • Ad 6.7.1.1
          11 November 2018 at 6:35 pm

          That really sucks CleanGreen and fair enough for being angry.

          Look on the bright side: you now have a holiday base in Europe. Within 4 months not even the British will have that 🙂

        • Craig H 6.7.1.2
          11 November 2018 at 7:56 pm

          The representative wasn’t exactly accurate – the Human Rights Act applies, but section 392 of the Immigration Act prevents complaints from being made and prevents the Human Rights Commission from bringing proceedings.

          (NZ)BORA is usually the acronym for the NZ Bill of Rights Act, which is a different law, and does apply to immigration cases, but that’s not so applicable here.

        • Sabine 6.7.1.3
          12 November 2018 at 2:19 pm

          Did your son apply for her visa under the ‘de facto relationship”?

          https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/tools-and-information/support-family/partnership

          i never used an immigration lawyer/service, just went there with my hubby and filled the paperwork out.
          We still had to provide proof of partnership, so I brought rental contracts, electricity bills, photos, post cards from him to me and versa, and all sorts of other things. I had a letter of support from my In laws etc. Did get a 6 month work visa initially, which would leave one with enough time to file for a residence permit.

          Something seems amiss in your story and the idea that ‘they don’t read’ the application is just wrong. That comment alone would have me send an official letter of complaint to my MP. They may not approve the application, but they sure have to read it.

          Something does not make sense at all.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.8
      11 November 2018 at 5:29 pm

      My Son as a born NZ citizen was refused hisn human right to put in an application with the NZ Immigration department a few weeks ago.

      What human right?

  7. Puckish Rogue 7
    11 November 2018 at 7:36 am

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12157375

    ‘That nest egg, likely worth millions more, comes from a uniquely generous super scheme that sees judges, including Elias, able to contribute up to five per cent of their salaries to a superannuation fund that is then topped up by $7.50 for each dollar they contribute.’

    Thats not a bad wicket to be on

    • Bruce 7.1
      11 November 2018 at 10:16 am

      Just shows how coruptable these people are if it takes such huge amounts to keep them on the straight and narrow. It’s not as if they are rewarded for competence after reading the story of the young fellow convicted of rape in yesterday’s Herald.

      • James Thrace 7.1.1
        11 November 2018 at 11:50 am

        Wrong. It is for a number of reasons
        1) Paying more to ensure Judges cannot get backhanders like in other corruptible societies such as the USA
        2) Judges have to retire at 70, and usually have at least 20 years or more in them
        3) very rare for a former judge to go back to practice (lawyers have no mandatory retirement age) and as most people would live in the lifestyle of their present income, not unusual to expect a former judge to want to continue that lifestyle
        4) knowledge that they won’t have to rub two pieces of cloth together after their mandatory expulsion from the bench means that judges don’t have to look for dubious means to fund their post bench lifestyle

        If this is the price to pay to have a funtional and near incorruptible bench, then I’m for it

      • One Two 7.1.2
        11 November 2018 at 1:23 pm

        Straight and narrow you reckon, Bruce….

        3.3m – That’s a ‘significant’ number to ‘report’ on….

    • Ad 7.2
      11 November 2018 at 2:22 pm

      Agreed not a bad wicked – until you consider the alternatives.

      Why would someone want to be a glorified public servant when they would be earning a helluva lot more as a partner in a major law firm?

      What exactly would attract someone qualified, experienced, and renowned enough to go for judgeship? And what would then attract them to stay?

      And how much remuneration would ensure that absolutely none of them would have their judgement swayed by fat inducements?

      Something like the kind of remuneration and reward measures you outline ensures that New Zealand remains in the top 1, 2, or 3 least corrupt countries on earth.

      • Puckish Rogue 7.2.1
        11 November 2018 at 2:50 pm

        Well to me its a bit like why a lot of people become ministers, the power. How many of Nationals MPs could be earning a lot more outside of parliament, quite a few I’d imagine but theres no where else you’ll have even close to the same amount of power, the ability to change things, to make things happen.

        Next reason would that I’d guess it’d be pretty easy to get seduced by the whole deference thing, yeah you can make more as a lawyer but as a judge you pass judgement so you get everyone being nice to you, everyone wants your opinion etc etc

        The perks of power are not inconsiderable

        • Ad 7.2.1.1
          11 November 2018 at 6:25 pm

          The power of judges is necessary in a civil society. You’re not making an useful point.

          There’s no “seduction” there, but top work on the ignorant slur. In reality it’s a shit job in which very tight constraints give you few options, dealing every day with the very very worst in society.

          The pay and conditions are just as necessary.
          Welcome to law and order.

  8. Rapunzel 8
    11 November 2018 at 7:54 am

    Why is it the leader of the opposition seems in capable of functioning with out a side-kick or bag man? The visage reported on by Trevett in yesterday’s Herlad of Bennett, Bridges and Mitchell sniggering away in a darkened room raises questions to how long the rest of the National Party MPs will put up with these secret trysts and seedy plans. Mitchell looks to have stepped in the role of the out of favour Ross as the got to person for dirty deals done cheap.

    • Robert Guyton 8.1
      11 November 2018 at 7:57 am

      “Bennett, Bridges and Mitchell sniggering away in a darkened room”
      Was there a cigar?

      • Rapunzel 8.1.1
        11 November 2018 at 8:24 am

        The initial image was enough and not one anyone would want to linger long enough to image that.

      • greywarshark 8.1.2
        11 November 2018 at 9:19 am

        Caesar couldn’t have been stabbed in the rotunda if he had had a reliable bag-man at his back. Bridges might feel the need of one, but better keep him in front.

      • Incognito 8.1.3
        11 November 2018 at 12:09 pm

        They later found some popcorn behind a curtain and they tried to follow the trail that led to the toilets but all they could find there was a loaded Glock and a cell phone. They have taken the Glock to forensics, after asking JC whether it was hers, and the phone is with Lost Property.

    • SaveNZ 8.2
      11 November 2018 at 7:58 am

      Well Mitchell should know judging from how he got into parliament into the first place via Slater aka dirty politics against their own Natz candidates.

    • Puckish Rogue 8.3
      11 November 2018 at 8:39 am

      “Why is it the leader of the opposition seems in capable of functioning with out a side-kick or bag man? ”

      I think you’ll find when the real leader of the opposition steps up there’ll be no need for a side kick or bag man…unless its a body bag man!

      Awwww yeah!

      • Rapunzel 8.3.1
        11 November 2018 at 9:00 am

        Whose bodies? Come on really? Bridges was a big mistake whether temporary or otherwise why not cut straight to who ever the “real leader” should be, the mistake prior to that was letting Bridges ego run rampant and getting rid of English. Even Bridges might have stood a better chance had he not been so rash.
        There are questions still be asked and the major effort of the National Party to divert attention makes it seem to me they are large questions.
        Like: Why was the other MP in the tryst not taken to task re behaviour of a “married person”, what happened to the compaints of “bullying/harassment” to staff, and what really happened re the donations? Is the person being recruited for one of the MPs an aide or a minder? What sort of MP is derided by their leader just sucks it up and lets them take away her phone while they put damage control in place?

        • Robert Guyton 8.3.1.1
          11 November 2018 at 9:18 am

          Hi, Rapunzel
          Have you read through this post that addresses some of the questions you ask?

          https://yournz.org/2018/11/10/the-non-naming-of-the-national-mp-raises-media-issues/

          • Rapunzel 8.3.1.1.1
            11 November 2018 at 9:35 am

            Well I have now and obviously to varying degrees there are complications, it is not about naming names as such – though most people have worked it out in regard to the MP, the other face-less allegations do exist and that is according to opposition leadership. Maybe it’s just me but there seems to be double standards at play from the National Party as to which incidents they want to address and which they simply hope will go away. I find them as a political party who want to be re-elected as a government less than genuine in NZ and NZers being their sole focus and priority especially that all the attention they have attracted for the pastseems to be about their re-election and very little else.

        • Puckish Rogue 8.3.1.2
          11 November 2018 at 9:32 am

          It was a silly throw away comment based on the idea that Judith Collins is/will the strong leader National and NZ needs and will lay waste to /labour/Greens/NZfirst and by laying waste I mean the vote and by that I mean National will win under Judith Collins who should have been made leader of National in the first place

      • Robert Guyton 8.3.2
        11 November 2018 at 9:02 am

        Hi Pucky; you’re back, I see. Might I suggest, as a long time co-respondent of yours, that you wind it back a little? Your “body bag” comment is deeply unpleasant and if you plan to keep presenting your heroine as a killer, I imagine others here will express a view like this also.

      • Cinny 8.3.3
        11 November 2018 at 9:51 am

        Pucky, I always admire your unwavering devotion to your judith…. But…. I hate to break it to you my friend, she will never ever be PM.

      • Sabine 8.3.4
        11 November 2018 at 10:13 am

        she gonna paint some fake art on it and call it swamp kauri?

    • mary_a 8.4
      11 November 2018 at 6:09 pm

      Rapunzel (8) … Bridges, Bennett and the mercenary Mitchell sniggering away in a darkened room … conjures up hideous images of a ménage à trois at play.

  9. Herodotus 9
    11 November 2018 at 8:33 am

    Should Kiwibuild not achieve the demand to satisfy the supply (and we have 99,972 left to hit the 100,000 target) – perhaps a failure may help to temporary contribute to a drop in house prices. Then perhaps our govt will then realise its not about helping some fortunates into house ownership, BUT to house the many.
    Build state houses, and halt the sale of state assets, i.e. the land.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108471157/kiwibuild-at-threat-of-going-kiwibust-over-plummeting-popularity
    “A spokesman for Kiwibuild said while 338 people had completed the ballot process, a further 6648 applicants had begun the pre-qualification process.”
    Also does anyone know if HNZ has had its requirement to pay a dividend to the govt stopped yet, and instead use the “surplus/profit” to reinvest back into maintaining their stock ?

  10. WeTheBleeple 10
    11 November 2018 at 8:50 am

    Are y’all bored quibbling over f*** all? Sorry, I meant immigration. Isn’t that Trumps favorite subject?

    Fuck Trump. Bring back The Trompe.

    It’s free unlimited energy.

    11:20 – 35:00 plus.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP6tVd1Zik4

  11. cleangreen 11
    11 November 2018 at 9:51 am

    Another truck kills a motorist yesterday on our single lane rural windy roads sadly it is getting out of control as a ‘killing field’ road system.

    http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/3763572-135/woman-dies-in-crash-with-logging

    Our NGO letter sent today after yet another persons dies under a logging truck so we are supporting upgrading rail for freight to rid trucks from our single lane roads because they are a danger now far worse than ever before due to the number using our roads now.

    Protecting our environment & health.
    In association with other Community Groups, and all Government Agencies since 2001.
    • Health and wellbeing.
    • East Coast Transport Project.

    TO;
    Hon Phil Twyford – Minister of Transport.
    Hon’ Jacinda Ardern PM.
    Hon Winston Peters. Deputy PM.
    Hon’ Shane Jones. Minister of Regional Development.
    Hon’ Grant Robertson. Minister of Finance.
    Hon’ Stuart Nash. MP For Napier Wairoa/ Matawai regions.
    Hon’ Megan Woods. Minister of Energy.
    URGENT PRESS RELEASE; – ACTION NEEDED HERE BY – Transport Minister Twyford.

    11th November 2018.

    Dear Ministers, Local civic authorities & rail stakeholders,

    We have written to you all multiple times since becoming our new Government requesting to restore our railway to Gisborne that was damaged after a storm in March 2012; – and caused by a lack of rail funding maintenance in 2011 on after funding was cut by Minister of transport Steven Joyce; – http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1302/S00183/kiwirail-admits-lack-of-maintenance-led-to-wash-out.htm

    Sadly yet again we are reminded of what Julius Vogel planned for us all when he commissioned a NZ Government Surveyors map of routes where to complete the Napier railway from Wellington to carry on around the east Coast to Opotiki and Tauranga to Auckland in 1880.

    We have a Government copy of that 1880 surveyors map from the NZ Government surveyors office, and can be obtained from us by request by email to me ; —————– (omitted.)

    It is now time that we continue this long overdue plan for all our common interests of our common wealth, health, safety, security and wellbeing while lowering climate change emissions and saving of our environment.

    Review this report (below) in the Gisborne Herald to make you aware that road freight is not the answer here; – nor should it be used exclusively in our future.

    Yours truly;———

    http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/3763572-135/woman-dies-in-crash-with-logging

    gisborneherald.co.nz
    Woman dies in crash with logging truck on State Highway 35 near Tatapouri
    by Murray RobertsonPublished: November 10, 2018 11:55AM

    State Highway 35 closed
    HIGHWAY CLOSED: SH35 was closed this morning after a fatal crash on the Tatapouri side of Makorori Hill that involved a loaded log truck and car. Police closed the highway here near the Makorori settlement turn-off and further north at Turihaua.
    A WOMAN died this morning when the car she was driving came into collision with a loaded logging truck on the Tatapouri side of Makorori Hill.
    Emergency services were called to the crash scene at 8.28am.
    The crash happened on the bend in the highway near the Tatapouri boat ramp.
    The woman was pronounced deceased at the scene.
    No other details on the crash were available this morning.
    Fire and Emergency NZ sent three appliances and St John Ambulance responded, along with police.
    A St John ambulance spokesman said the driver of the truck was not injured.
    Police closed the coast highway at the crash location
    Police immediately started a serious crash investigation and closed the coast highway at that location.
    The car the woman was in, and the truck, remained at the crash scene for some time as part of that inquiry.
    At the time The Herald went to print, police were unable to give an indication of how much longer that closure would stay in place.
    “The road is closed and motorists are asked to please avoid the area,” police said.
    Considerable traffic build-up occurred on both sides of the crash site.
    The closure is from Sirrah Street at Okitu north to Turihaua
    The highway closure was put in place at Sirrah Street at Okitu and at Turihaua to the north.
    It is the third fatal crash involving a truck on that section of the East Coast Highway this year.
    A 19-year-old man died in a crash that involved a loaded log truck and a car on SH35 on Makorori headland in mid-June.
    A 34-year-old man died when his stationwagon collided with a loaded log truck on the Makorori side of Makorori headland in late September.
    Police have not yet released further details on this morning’s trage
    End,

    I now ask “How much is enough road killing before we consider rail again as we had before”?

  13. greywarshark 13
    11 November 2018 at 10:48 am

    Why are trolls not at least spelled for periods instead of being allowed to dominate the discourse daily? Perhaps they could be circulated so there could be some variety. Or do the mods think that the commenters need stimulating –
    Itchy and Scratchy?
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrn6Q_zBfg

  14. joe90 14
    11 November 2018 at 10:57 am

    And they’re off…

    I am replacing my earlier concession with an unapologetic and uncompromised call to count every vote.— Andrew Gillum (@AndrewGillum) November 10, 2018

  15. marty mars 15
    11 November 2018 at 11:05 am

    Well said. I agree with the article – thanks Kylie Klein Nixon

    Most of all, I want to tell them that suicide is never inevitable. Never. Not at the movies, not when you’re at your lowest point, not when you think you can’t go on. Not even when you’re looking over the railings at the river.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/108398855/a-star-is-born-im-glad-its-getting-a-censors-warning

  16. Ed 16
    11 November 2018 at 11:49 am

    Trump tweets on the Californian forest fires.

    “There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

    Not climate change then.
    With a US President who thinks like this, we aren’t going to deal with this crisis.

  17. joe90 17
    11 November 2018 at 12:07 pm

    Grand Marshall Bonespur is a POS.

    The tunnelers are excavating a series of underground dugouts, which will be occupied by the headquarters of our infantry. It is a wretched job, as they are working 25 feet below the surface level and most of the time knee deep in mud.

    From the roof trickles water and mud, which they jocularly term “Hero Juice” on account of it percolating through tiers and tiers of buried corpses.

    – Frank Hurley Sept. 17, 1917

    Donald Trump‘s visit to a First World War cemetery was called off by the White House because of poor weather.

    The US leader was set to visit the Aisne-Marne American cemetery in the French village of Belleau – the site of a 1918 battle in which the Americans and French repelled German forces. More than 1,800 Americans died there

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-paris-latest-cancels-memorial-visit-us-military-cemetery-remembrance-world-war-one-a8627571.html

  18. Ed 18
    11 November 2018 at 12:25 pm

    If you missed this yesterday.
    This excellent advert.has been banned in the UK.
    Please share this far and wide.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdpspllWI2o

  21. joe90 21
    11 November 2018 at 3:49 pm

    Oh dear…

    Gob Bluth or Donald Trump Jr.? It's hard to tell pic.twitter.com/97K2VMz8Pn— HuffPost (@HuffPost) July 19, 2017

    https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/887779088445734912

  22. joe90 22
    11 November 2018 at 4:02 pm

    The end is nigh, for pale, stale and male….

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrlwHy-WkAAVvTb.jpg

  23. Grant 23
    11 November 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Rocket lab launch window opening at 4.50pm today.

    “It’s Business Time”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPwMuUxSrcA

  24. WeTheBleeple 24
    11 November 2018 at 5:29 pm

    The Standard’s standards slip considerably every time editors choose to engage in the obvious leftie-baiting; rather than do their jobs and remove these ‘non-contributors to discussion.’

    Makes it a very unattractive place to visit, a labor rather than pleasure to read. I’ve learned nothing here today except how easily y’all are trolled. Me too, just not today…

    I think we can all do better – Jim Jefferies.

  25. joe90 25
    11 November 2018 at 7:43 pm

    Read these and tell me Lees-Galloway isn’t on the receiving end of a hospital pass from the previous regime.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12047471

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11124329

    • James 25.1
      11 November 2018 at 8:03 pm

      Ok Lees Galloway isn’t on the eceiving end of a hospital pass from the previous regime.

    • te reo putake 25.2
      11 November 2018 at 8:08 pm

      Exackerly, Joe90. ILG was given just enough info to make him lean toward mercy, not enough to say taihoa. Woodhouse, of course, was both Immigration Minister and Police Minister. I don’t know what he knew, or when he knew it, but I think we should be told.

  26. Blazer 26
    11 November 2018 at 8:44 pm

    Taxis in Auckland.

    After booking a cheap taxi for a trip to the airport that did not turn up,I thought I would try a well known ‘brand’ in what is supposedly a very competitive industry.
    Rang 4 companies that put me on muzack for minutes before getting to talk to an operator.

    Asked what I thought were basic questions..like what would happen if the taxi did not turn up and I missed my international flight..stumped the panel..
    one company said they had a team that ‘looked’ into these situations..how comforting.

    Looks like a good business opportunity..=customer service.

    Any posters have any recommendations?

  27. joe90 27
    11 November 2018 at 8:58 pm

    He’s one deeply stupid fucker.

    In today’s ⁦@lemondefr⁩: When #Trump received the leaders of #Estonia, #Latvia and #Lithuania, he began by blaming them for the war in Yugoslavia. It took them a few moments to realise he’d mixed up the Balkans and the Baltics. ⁦@SylvieKauffmann⁩ pic.twitter.com/HYQYpbqgGs— Mark Lowen (@marklowen) November 10, 2018

  28. marty mars 28
    11 November 2018 at 9:39 pm

    He’s a lowlife.

    “The White House announced that Trump and first lady Melania Trump had scuttled plans, due to bad weather, for their first stop in a series of weekend remembrance activities – a visit to the solemn Aisne Marne American Cemetery, marking the ferocious Battle of Belleau Wood.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12158245

    • joe90 28.1
      11 November 2018 at 10:01 pm

      The excuses won’t wash.

      I’ve 2000+ hrs flying military assault helicopters. Icing is what stops helicopters flying. I’m in Paris. It’s 12DegC, that means the icing altitude is ~6000ft (lapse rate 2C per/1000ft). The CDG METAR says Cloud Base scattered 1300ft, broken 2600ft. It was totally doable. https://t.co/GP1N7Y6sWF— Mikey Kay (@MikeyKayNYC) November 10, 2018

    • gsays 28.2
      11 November 2018 at 10:03 pm

      There has been a lot of things about Trump that share a vibe with key.

      Stare at the camera and lie.
      Grossly misrepresent what occurs at a meeting (pike river families).
      Speaking nonsense sentences.
      Failing to honour military deaths.
      Knowing what ‘most Americans/New Zealanders’ want…

      Also in commonn both their political opponents can’t land a bit on them regardless of the evidence.

  29. joe90 29
    11 November 2018 at 9:44 pm

    Deplorables in action.

    (scroll down for their doxxing)

    These women are haranguing the only black person here, standing on a bench holding a Gillum shirt.“Because he’s black” pic.twitter.com/xgJ1qruoip— Djinn (@ARAEveryDay) November 9, 2018

    Hours later, still mocking anyone black pic.twitter.com/Jtptk4GzB7— Djinn (@ARAEveryDay) November 9, 2018

    https://twitter.com/ARAEveryDay/status/1061034634190962689

  30. eco maori 30
    12 November 2018 at 7:25 am

    Kia ora The Am Show the War never stopped they have been battling proxy WAR’S in other country’s and made a big MESS around the world.
    Peter Beck Ka pai for you and your team’s launch of the cargo into space the next generation is looking outside the squarebox the old generation try to keep us IN .
    Its sad that Jonno & Ben are leaving our screen’s good luck on finding a new job boys.
    What did trump say about the fire in California he blamed the people when anyone can see that was Papatuanuku mother nature event.
    The Rainbow community can see through to the true color’s of the police and the %00.1 can see / know what they are up to .They are always in the know. I know most of the police have a phobia of the Rainbow community .
    This is how they treat a people instead of being Courteous It look’s like they started harassing this person with the Eagle helicopter instead of showing couresty link below.https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/east-bays-courier/105072577/local-board-member-cops-criticism-over-eagle-helicopter-complaint
    The neo liberals who have captured the teacher’s union wairua and is using it as a tool to use as a weapon against the new Coalition government.
    The neo liberals are big greedy cheats look at the way they have behaved here and over sea’s ask simon what he get up to after hours.
    The student’s that were given money some of them had to do thing’s people should not have to do to pay there rent there will also be more of them entering the teacher’s profession in time.
    Good on that Australian person who helped the cop’s catch that idiot who was ripped. Ka kite anp .

  31. eco maori 31
    12 November 2018 at 8:13 am

    I enjoy growing vegetables gardening I use to garden with my Great Grand Mother I would water the gardens flowers and vegetables.
    I remember her telling me one day mokopuna when you plant a garden you give it care and love and water make sure the the vegtables and flower’s are well grown and before you pick them make sure they are big and strong. if you start picking the silver beat to early it will stunt and could die.
    But if you have patience and wait till the silver beat you plant is big strong and healthy before you pick some leave’s just a few at a time than the silver beat will not stunt and die and you will get a good long harvest from your silver beat.
    They way I see it the Union’s & the Socialists left people have help plant’ vote the new Coalition Government in to Parliament we need to love and care our new GARDEN water it and when it’s big and strong then pick a few leaves of changes that we want at a time and OUR new Government will grow STRONG and will be able to keep making changes in our society that will be good for all people here and NOW and for our descendant’s .
    Eco Maori say what the teacher’s Union is doing at the minute is illogical and what make’s the equation complete is that national is playing the teachers against our new government . Ka kite ano P.S the cops are the biggest bully’s that’s a fact.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbXWrmQW-OE

  32. eco maori 32
    12 November 2018 at 8:54 am

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvBkQwrKgEg

  33. eco maori 33
    12 November 2018 at 9:53 am

    Some Eco maori music for the minute
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdn3PdtbXBM

  34. eco maori 34
    12 November 2018 at 11:20 am

    You see once the world find’s out how good and safe Kiwi food is the will all want some
    ka kite ano link below.
    Lots of New Zealand milk and lamb has changed hands on Chinese internet giant Alibaba during that country’s biggest shopping day.

    ​China’s answer to the online Cyber Monday and America’s post-Thanksgiving “Black Friday” generated US$30.8 billion (NZ$45.76b) this year for Alibaba during its Singles Day shopping promotion

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/108528157/a2-and-nz-lamb-a-winner-on-alibabas-singles-day

  35. eco maori 35
    12 November 2018 at 11:57 am

    Labor is ahead of the Coalition on the two-party-preferred measure 55% to 45% in the Newspoll, meaning Bill Shorten and Labor would easily win any election held today. Labor’s primary vote is 40% compared with the Coalition on 35%. Ka kite ano
    The coal alition carbon pro party star is turning the same colour as coal ana to kai.
    P.S I want OUR descendants to have a future in paradise not in——- like what will happen if we carry on burning carbon.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/12/newspoll-gives-labor-a-commanding-10-point-lead-over-the-coalition

    Exclusive: The Greens have already ruled out entering negotiations with a Liberal government

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/10/greens-to-survey-members-on-how-to-pick-leader-and-govern-with-labor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZL3JZGLKY

  36. eco maori 36
    12 November 2018 at 2:32 pm

    The French president, Emmanuel Macron, has warned of the dangers of rising nationalism as he addressed Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and other world leaders at a ceremony in Paris to mark the 100th anniversary of the first world war armistice.

    As more than 60 heads of state and dignitaries gathered in the rain near Paris’s tomb of the unknown soldier to mark a century since guns fell silent on the western front, Macron delivered a pointedly political speech, warning that “old demons” were resurfacing and threatened the fragile peace. Ka pai Emmanuel the people who start WAR’s don’t fight them us common poor people fight them

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkHDhO_k9I#action=share

  37. eco maori 37
    12 November 2018 at 5:48 pm

    Kia ora Tekaea I made a good point on the teachers strikes this morning I won’t say anymore on this subject as my negtive side will rise up.
    Its cool that Ngai Tahu is working with Oranga tamariki to fix there tamariki that are in state care its a crying shame that any tamariki end up there .
    The Pacific Aotearoa meeting in Auckland to talk about our future in Aotearoa let make it a happy healthy one .
    Bridging the gap is a awesome initiative to get equality for Australian Tangata Whenua they still have a long journey to get some compensation for loss of land an mana kia kaha. Ka kite ano P.S the Kiwis had a good win they are a new team in time they will dominate

  38. Eco Maori 38
    12 November 2018 at 6:58 pm

    The sandflys are stuffing with my computer again Ingrid

  39. Eco Maori 39
    12 November 2018 at 7:20 pm

    Kia ora James and Storm The Crowd Goes Wild.
    Its going to be be a good game of Rugby next week number 1 and 2.
    Good luck to Danny I say no more.
    The Fox is doing fine same to him.
    Rain in the desert is unlucky for the Black Caps.
    45 Mulls must have drunk a keg at the basketball game and he’s shuffling to so cool Mulls he’s not going to be happy James.
    Hartley is get a underarm from his team M8 he got some fast lap time Ka kite ano computer is playing up if this one crashes that will be 2 two the sandflys I will post them a video on the other computer soon

  40. greywarshark 40
    12 November 2018 at 8:02 pm

    Dylan Moran on USA and other nations – what are they about?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWuW8Zi0rg

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