Open Mike 11/08/2017

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  1. Robert Guyton 1

    “National Party MP for Invercargill Sarah Dowie said she “didn’t pay too much attention” to Turei’s resignation.
    “The Left are well known for this. They are in turmoil”, Dowie said.
    “Labour and Greens are fused at the hip;it’s no surprise they are going through these leadership issues – we’re used to it”.

    The Southland Times August 11

    • I see she’s memorised her lines well. Probably the principal requirement in her job.

      • Robert Guyton 1.1.1

        “Invercargill Labour Party candidate Liz Craig said Turei had done “tremendous work” during her tenure. “I knew Metiria when I was involved in child poverty advocacy work and I respect the heart she had for social change”. “I wanted to acknowledge the tremendous work she has done in that space over the years.”

        The Southland Times 11 August

        • Psycho Milt 1.1.1.1

          Ha! Amateurish! Sounds like no PR people were involved in developing the script at any stage – what kind of politician is that?

          • Carolyn_nth 1.1.1.1.1

            Turei was “amateurish”, “didn’t manage/control the narrative”, etc:

            These are all neoliberal managerialist technocrat values – and they ignore the power imbalance, that is ultimately a race & gender-charged class struggle.

            If she had continued campaigning against poverty and for beneficiaries, the way she has done for years, the MSM would have continued to largely ignore her. Once she started getting attaention and support for her policies and campaign, those on the side of the establishment and status quo would try to attack her, and vilify her, in any way they could.

            • Johan 1.1.1.1.1.1

              “If she had continued campaigning against poverty and for beneficiaries, the way she has done for years, the MSM would have continued to largely ignore her.”
              All these carefully crafted leaks from Turei’s past indiscretions were meant to undermine her credibility and in the end she had no choice but to resign. Calling NZF a racist party was a big mistake, Peters has many informants and knows where the bodies are buried.

              • Carolyn_nth

                Do you have clear information that Peters was behind the attacks on Turei, or is that just speculation on your part?

                • mary_a

                  @ Carolyn_nth … I stand to be corrected here, but I thought after Metiria’s public statements re calling NZF a racist party, in response Winston said something along the lines of “… there will be consequences …”

                  Whether that comment of Winston’s is partly or fully the result of the lead up to Metiria’s resignation, is anyone’s guess!

                  • Carolyn_nth

                    He said the consequences would be when it comes to inter-party negotiations.

                    NZ First leader Winston Peters has bailed up Green co-leader Metiria Turei for calling him “racist”, saying such attacks would have consequences.

                    Speaking on Q+A this morning, Turei said Peters was “on a roll” partly because of “a very racist approach to immigration”.

                    “The worst of his rhetoric is coming out.”

                    In response, Peters issued a statement saying it was the Green Party which had “racially separatist policies” and appeared to warn of consequences for the Green Party in any post-election talks.

                    Turei’s comment also drew fire from NZ First MP Tracey Martin on Twitter. Martin said that by describing her as racist “you make it very difficult to sit at the table and believe it is mutually respectful”.

                • Johan

                  …and I am suppose to reveal my sources? Yeah Right!

                  • Carolyn_nth

                    So, as far as we an see, you’re just making it up.

                    Anyone could say anything and claim, “can’t reveal my sources”.

          • Robert Guyton 1.1.1.1.2

            Clearly. Liz was even careless enough to use the words “child poverty” and “social change”! No National Party flunky MP would make an error like that!

    • Molly 1.2

      Meteria was not only was hounded for telling the truth, but she also put paid to the lie that beneficiaries could get out of their situation if they were willing to follow all the rules, and pull themselves out of poverty if they only wanted to.

      Telling the truth about her life was bad enough.

      But exposing the lie that gives comfort to many – unforgivable.

      • Tautoko Mangō Mata 1.2.1

        National Party don’t want to hear the truth. It is not in their interests to foster compassion.

    • popexplosion 1.3

      Environment goods and social goods go hand in hand. Our media sucks eggs, it’s underfunded and so useless. N.Korea will launch a nuke and explode it, in orbit. Destroying satalites, Guam is just nonsense. Kim wants respect, take him down now.
      Climate change act now before summer hits the Sun, Sun storm alter the heating reaching the Earth, to as we slowly cook ourselves like a lobster, the sun could up the heat at anytime, dicing with extinction is clueless. Nats have no answers just stay the course, whatever on tourism on housing on social on environment, it’s just a joke to them requiringbthem to fiddle the controls a little, oh and build congested roads on a volcanic field. Geez National is dumb.

    • Gabby 1.4

      Bet she paid a bit more attention to Toddger’s departure.

  2. Venezia 2

    The Palms Shopping Centre Christchurch does not like getting people onto the Electoral Roll! This week I grabbed a bunch of enrolment packs and after shopping at the supermarket offered them to people in the mall as I made my way to the car park. I was on the lookout for younger people and displayed the packs in my hand. After 12 people had taken a pack, a security guard arrived to escort me from the premises. Apparently it is not allowed!! I had been picked up on a security camera. I have done this in other shopping malls in Christchurch with no problems. I am 72 years old.

    • Cinny 2.1

      Wows !!! Venezia, I admire what you are doing to encourage the youth to enroll this election.

      That’s shocking re the security guard, one would have thought they had better things to do than harrass an older women for promoting the democratic system.

      Letter to the editor of the press maybe?

      • james 2.1.1

        Perhaps if she got permission to do this on private property first then there would not have been an issue.

        • AB 2.1.1.1

          Interesting James. It is regarded as a public space so long as the people entering it engage in consumer behaviour – buying stuff, browsing in shops, eating coffee and muffins. You don’t need permission to come in or go out

          However if they enter this space and do other things – even things that are not illegal, intrusive, dangerous or annoying – it is suddenly private property.

          Seems to me a little bit like wanting to have your cake (or overpriced blueberry muffin) and eat it at the same time.

          • lprent 2.1.1.1.1

            Basic law 101: A shopping centre isn’t any different from this site or for that matter for your home.

            It is private property that is often accessible to selected guests. While the community through laws and regulations impose restrictions on the owners. The owners of private property can also impose rules on guests using their property.

            It isn’t like a public road – which is the analogy that I suspect that you are straining for. That is a false analogy. And even there the the legal system. central and local government all impose limits to use. Roads may be cleared for parades. You can’t set up tables in the middle of a roadway. etc etc

            Consider that developments on private property aren’t paid for and maintained out of community funds. So the body that maintains the property is able to impose their own rules on top of whatever the community imposes upon them through the body of law.

            There is also no difference between a shopping center (or this website) and your own home. In all cases while you can allow guests to share it, you can also restrict access or make rules stop behaviors that you find objectionable.

            • Plan B 2.1.1.1.1.1

              I think the analogy approach is wrong. By using analogy it is very easy to come up with a wrong answer. For example Government is often spoken of as if it was like a household, that it has to live within its means. As has been said, Government is only like a household with a money printing press in the basement.
              Regarding malls, malls are not like ones home, the analogy is wrong and the conclusions reach via that analogy are wrong.
              The analogy approach allows the writer to pick and choose . In this case you have chosen to say that a mall is like a home and not like a road.

              • McFlock

                The analogy explained the perspective of the law: a mall is private property. Anyone can be refuced access for any reason, as long as any reason given does not violated the human rights act.

                In fact, people can be escorted off public property, e.g. the Speaker of the House can trespass people from the grounds of Parliament. Universities, as arms of the Crown, can also trespass people off their campusses.

              • Gabby

                Are you invoking the ‘But I don’ wanna’ clause? That usually ends badly. You end up in the puffy shirt.

        • Foreign waka 2.1.1.2

          James, the owner of the shopping center and car park is AMP.
          The behavior of Venezia was in no way biased at any political party, anti competitive, intrusive, offensive or criminal. I suspect however, that who ever sat at the screen watching and/or giving the marching orders did so by “assuming” that any of the above is the case. Perhaps he/she should have checked facts and also sought response from the owner of the premise?

    • The Fairy Godmother 2.2

      I would complain to management. Go right to the top and the electoral commission. Security guards often do things like this if not properly briefed. Management will probably apologise Look what happened at the local government conference where a Maori and a Samoan delegate were challenged.

      • Venezia 2.2.1

        Apparently it was management who gave the instructions. I yesterday learned from a young person who used to work at The Palms ( now at my local Mall ) that the management there is very difficult. She used some choice language to describe them. Nothing better to do than obstruct a perfectly legal activity. I asked people “are you enrolled to vote? ” showing the enrolment pack with orange man on front. Some younger people said “just what I need” and Interesting that older people are taking packs for their grandkids. I have emailed the Electoral Commission.

        • The Fairy Godmother 2.2.1.1

          That’s awful. Perhaps just get on with enrolling people in other locations or else if you have the energy contact local media and the electoral commission.

        • james 2.2.1.2

          “perfectly legal activity”

          They are perfectly in their rights to ask you to leave if they want to – its their private property

          Just as they do not allow people to run around the carpark putting flyers under windscreens (unless they have permission beforehand).

          • weka 2.2.1.2.1

            I’m sure whatever private company it is would love some publicity about how it banned an old woman from handing out enrolment forms for the election

            😈

            • james 2.2.1.2.1.1

              a) – A lot of Malls have electoral people in them handing out forms anyway (you know proper ones).

              b) I note that the mall had forms there anyway (thats where she got them from).

              c) I note she was on the lookout for ‘younger people’ – Why not ask everybody if you are genuine – as opposed to selecting people who might be more in line with your political views.

              yeah – I think they can live with that.

              • McFlock

                I missed the bit in the thread where you got B from, and I’m sure venezia is a proper person.

                I think it was dickish behaviour by the mall (didn’t their ownership get council or govt money a while back? Something like that…), but yeah, they were in their rights.

                The big problem for malls is that even a portable stall or person with a clipboard is a prime moneymaker due to the foot traffic – they usually don’t mind charitable things, but just a couple of months ago I saw a salesman being escorted out because he was trying to blag what was a regular spot for charities in my local mall – I think it was Barnados or cancer foundation was waiting to set up after the delboy wannabe was finally gone.

                They sometimes have to book those school sausage sizzle spots weeks in advance, if not longer.

              • Venezia

                No James. I arrived with a bunch of enrolment packs, and I also picked up some more from the Post shop. I was handing them out at the furthest end of the mall away from the Post shop.
                I have noticed that you often make stuff up in order to take the mickey out of people.

        • Foreign waka 2.2.1.3

          I feel really sorry that you had to go through this undignified response. Even more reason to ask every person: are you going to vote?

      • james 2.2.2

        Fo to the electoral commission and say what exactly?

        “Hi I dont work for you – But I was handing out your flyers without permission on private land and they asked me to leave”.

        • Venezia 2.2.2.1

          The Electoral Commission provided me with the enrolment forms. Sent them by post actually, because I asked for them. So dont make stuff up.

          • james 2.2.2.1.1

            Not making stuff up – you were not given permission by them to be wandering around private property handing them out.

            • Foreign waka 2.2.2.1.1.1

              Don’t worry James, its all OK and in the green zone… the synthetic cannabis usage gets a good viewing on private car parks around the country and not to worry too much about drunks hanging out on weekends either. The fighting and submissions to hospitals is taxpayer funded so that is absolutely fine you know. Its a lot easier to mussel an elderly person, it could have been a paper cut from a template – very dangerous indeed.
              AMP, the owner of car parks near you, proudly looking after your retirement Kiwi saver fund. Just don’t get stupid ideas about handing out leaflets promoting democracy because they are concerned about the people in their twilight years. Yeah right.

    • weka 2.3

      What did they say?

      Very cool what you are doing. Like Fairy Godmother I reckon a complaint is warranted but you might be better using your time to hand out enrolments elsewhere.

  3. Cinny 3

    Winegrowers having a crack at labour re water, scare mongering via the national party.

    FYI, National Party hoardings at a large vineyard in our region.

    How many vineyards are also publically vocal national supporters? Anyone else out there seen national party hoardings displayed at vineyards? Are their water opinions biased much? Alcohol lobbyists mhmmmm

    • AB 3.1

      On the rare occasions I can afford to buy wine these days, I try not to buy NZ-made stuff and pretty much for this reason. Also that there is better South American, Spanish and Italian stuff at lower prices.

      • The decrypter 3.1.1

        Maybe water is free in the off shore countries you mention– “The world -according to nick.”

      • Cinny 3.1.2

        It was a bit rich listening to list Mp Maureen Pughs patsy set up sup question about water and vineyards/horiculture yesterday to Nick Smith when her hoarding is displayed at Seifrieds vineyard in Appleby.

      • Adrian 3.1.3

        The reason why South American wine is so cheap is that the wages paid in Chile in particular are well below survivable level. Might pay to do a bit of research before drinking. Spain and Argentina are not much better.
        Not a good choice for a leftie.
        NZ wages are at least above minimum wage level and quite often considerably above that, good pruners on contract would be above $25 hr. But it is not easy work.
        It not surprising that Nat signs are on vineyards, a lot of vineyards are on old family farms and they’ve certainly not a hotbed of left sympathisers.
        BTW, you’d be surprised how many family vineyards and wine companies are owned by Labour and Green members and supporters.

        • alwyn 3.1.3.1

          “family vineyards and wine companies are owned by Labour and Green members and supporters”.
          But of course they are. Where do you think the Chardonnay Socialists, also known as the Wadestown Wadicals of Wellington get their booze from?

          • mac1 3.1.3.1.1

            Local Labour campaigns have been financed by wine sales of such naughty little numbers as “Socialist Chardonnay”, “Political Savvy” and “Reds under the Bed”. The last had a descriptor “You will be left leaning after a bottle of this”.

            Signs in rural areas for Labour are often targeted. It’s very canine out there. Dogs hate having the smell of another on their territory.

            I remember putting up one sign on the very rural but aptly named (or so I thought) Red Post corner. Two locals in a ute drove by this sign which was 10 metres inside a private fence line. They yelled out to me that it wouldn’t last long. It, and like others like it, lasted a day.

            It was replaced with two signs. A second on another property was not replaced. The property owner told me she feared for her property as the vandals had trespassed and climbed up a water tower to do their damage.

            The ute in this story had a dog on the back. Of the three occupants, it was the least feral.

            • alwyn 3.1.3.1.1.1

              The names of the wine sound wonderful. Is it still available or was it in a past election?
              “Reds under the beds”, AND the alternate “left leaning” description would be great to offer to some of my right leaning friends.
              Was it any good?

              I hope they had a licence to sell it though. I have vague memories of a political party that did something like this and one of their opponents tried to get them prosecuted because the candidate didn’t have a licence to sell the few dozen bottles concerned.
              The memory is so vague I can’t even remember whether it was here or when I lived in Oz. Neither can I remember which were the parties involved.

              Destruction, or defacement of signs is, unfortunately a very Kiwi habit. It doesn’t just happen to the left leaning parties. I have just come up Aro Street in Wellington and the billboards for nearly every party had some damage. Not all the billboards of course but at least one for each of them had some damage.

              • mac1

                Alwyn, past elections I’m afraid, but top quality wine. Well known producer here. All my purchases consumed. Good marketing, good profit and totally legal.

                I had a beer tonight (small town, eh!) with the opposition rural bill board erecting specialist and discussed our mutual annoyance with people who deface and steal billboards. It is anti-democratic and criminal, costly and ultimately futile.

                We Kiwis have some bad habits and national traits around alcohol, driving, violence and suicide, blame, empathy and tax evasion. Otherwise it’s Godzone.

            • greywarshark 3.1.3.1.1.2

              When I have been driving on isolated highways going through country areas the cars in the area have mostly had young men in them and I had a feeling of them being barely tamed by laws and self-discipline.

              • mac1

                At my age they’re all young men. We do have a problem with exhibiting
                positive social behaviour, though.

      • james 3.1.4

        LOL – people believe in greenhouse emissions and global warming – but buy wine shipped from 1/2way across the world.

        Just incase the local producer votes National.

        • AB 3.1.4.1

          No James – the South American stuff is cheaper too. I’m merely being a rational, self-interested, self-maximising individual. Have you forgotten what your own ideology prescribes?

  4. reason 4

    Is Winston starting to get ‘official’ recognition ….. for his stealth dispatching of key.

    ” John Key shocked the nation on December 5, resigning to hand over to English, in part because he thought it would be easier for English to do a deal with Peters.” https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/08/09/42006/metiria-jacinda-quake

    Being credited as the man who got rid of Key must be worth a rise in Winstons popularity ….

    Single handed, he did what three elections and the combined opposition were unable to ….

    When the warden of the north ………. became a genuine king slayer.

    NZ likes tough and strong leaders ……. NZF should play on this.

    • ianmac 4.1

      Also in that column reason was this about Materia.
      “I have always said I did have really fantastic support from friends and family and that Piupiu’s family really supported me especially when I was in law school with things like you know, child care, stuff like that. Like the sort of stuff that you would expect.”
      Fair enough but it mirrors what was being said about Bennett with the question added about financial support for her from her family. Wonder if that question will be explored with equal enthusiasm?

      • Johan 4.1.1

        Bennett will not reveal any info about her past, nor will Bill English about any of his 450 texts. MSM will not press these matters for obvious reasons, ie I want to keep my job: John Campbell.

      • Anne 4.1.2

        I was in a similar situation to Metiria in the 1990s ianmac. The difference being I was looking after an elderly mother who slowly succumbed to Alzheimers. There was help from family members in the early years, but as time passed resentment built and two of my siblings began to spread rumour and innuendo among the relatives. The case ended up in court but was swiftly discarded when it became evident the accusations had no truth to them. In my case, the aim of the exercise was to have my share of the estate taken from me and shared among my siblings. They failed.

        I tell the story as an example of how relatives in the heat of the moment can re-invent history – and even convince themselves its correct – without any understanding of the truth of historical and semi-historical events.

        I wonder if this is in part what happened to Metiria. I also heard her talk of the “fantastic support” she received from “PIupiu’s family”, so it looks to me like a member of that family jumped on the phone to John Campbell before checking out the substance of Metiria’s public interviews.

        If my own experiences are anything to go by, they probably had no idea how financially desperate Metiria really was at the time. I was reduced at one point to wearing old sandels with holes in the soles and the heels falling off my shoes. I couldn’t even afford to go to the Warehouse and replace them.

        • ianmac 4.1.2.1

          A tough existence Anne but you have risen inspite of the ratbags.
          I do know of a similar one where a woman in her late teens early20s, who lived and took care of her Grandma as she succumbed to Alzheimers. When her Gran died the sons and daughters ordered her out of the house in case she claimed it for herself. Miserable beggars!

          • Anne 4.1.2.1.1

            Same sort of paranoid group-think. In my case they convinced themselves I had manipulated my mother into gifting me the land on which my home was built. I produced legal documents to prove I paid the going rate.They forgot to check out that possibility. 😉

      • reason 4.1.3

        To true ianmac …. it was a pretty good column on the whole….. perhaps newsroom will be different than our present ‘dirty media’

        For the last 9 years Bennett got to run misinformation through our dirty ‘news media’ …. real reporters would scare her if they had a decent platform.

        I give them credit ( newsroom ), for being the first to report on winston being the cause for Johnny to run off .

        With key being neck deep in tax haven type stuff …… Winston has a good solid theme to build around …. getting rid of the corrupt king …

        But Helping to clean up the National from being the tax haven and corruption party is unfinished business for him…..

  5. Xanthe 5

    Just stumbled across this news site
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@about

    Anyone know anything about it ?

    Ah ha and its referenced in the comment above

  6. AsleepWhileWalking 6

    Go Taylor

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11902201

    Taylor said that she doesn’t blame her former bodyguard Greg Dent, who witnessed the assault, for not stopping Mueller, telling jurors, “I’m not critical of my bodyguard for not doing anything, I’m critical of your client [Mueller] for sticking his hand under my skirt and grabbing my ass.”

  7. AsleepWhileWalking 7

    Real Estate Institute calls for Reserve Bank to loosen lending criteria on the back of *plummeting* house prices.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11902208

    • Ad 7.1

      The NZHerald is calling it a collapse in the housing market.

      I’m not sure how Labour could find an opening here, but it is a huge opening for National to simply state that they will strongly encourage the Reserve Bank to loosen monetary conditions.

      The Reserve Bank stated yesterday:

      “House price inflation continues to moderate due to loan-to-value ratio restrictions, affordability constraints, and a tightening in credit conditions.

      This moderation is expected to persist, although there remains a risk of resurgence in prices given continued strong population growth and resource constraints in the construction sector.”

      National have a big opening to reassure property owners before the election – because that is their natural base.

  8. alwyn 8

    I see that The Herald is suggesting that Metiria Turei might be chosen as their New Zealander of the Year.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11902264
    At first I thought they must be joking but when you consider the origin of the award it isn’t that unlikely.

    It is of course copied from the Time magazine “Person or the Year” (originally “Man of the Year”) and they have often had some contentious awards.
    Metiria certainly is no more unlikely than Time’s choices in 1938 or 2016.
    The one she most resembles though was the person chosen in 1936. MT to a “T”.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/time-magazine-10-controversial-people-year-article-1.2040428

  9. Robert Guyton 9

    Metiria “most resembles” Wallis Simpson, Alwyn?
    What do you mean?

  10. Bearded Git 10

    Interesting article in the Herald today on incomes during this government by Brian Fallow (my comments in brackets):

    “The lowest quintile, or fifth, of households when ranked by income spend an average of 51 per cent of their disposable income on housing, up from 29 per cent in the late 1980s. For the second lowest quintile it is 32 per cent of income, versus 19 per cent 30 years ago. [this is scandalous-under National the lowest waged people can no longer afford accommodation]

    But the top decile has been pulling away from the rest particularly swiftly on National’s watch. [Labour/Green bloc should be highlighting this]

    Between 2009 and 2016, household incomes at the 90th per centile rose 14.7 per cent. This is after inflation, tax, transfers and housing costs. At the 10th per centile, the increase was 9.4 per cent over the same seven years.” [Under National the rich have been getting much richer]

    It’s here:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11901921

  11. Guardians of Property

    Simply put, the Right cares more about preserving private property and the power it commands over politics, the economy, and society than it does about democracy. If they can have both, then conservative politicians and parties will support democracy and often get exactly what they want, as formal democracy on its own has historically proven compatible with an anti-democratic capitalism that concentrates economic power. But if conservatives are forced to choose — as they ultimately were in both the British and German contexts — they will always choose property. The circumstances of this choice determine whether they also bring down the curtain on democracy.

    Sounds about right – Just need to look to what happened with ECan to see that. The conservatives weren’t getting what they wanted and so they canned even the limited democracy that was there.

  12. Muttonbird 12

    Homelessness spreading to the regions.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11900735

    Real wages dropping.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11901921

    The Nats just don’t get it do they?

    • IMO, the Nats fully understand what they’re doing and they’ll keep doing it for as long as we let them. The end result of letting them do it is a poverty stricken and collapsed society.

  13. esoteric pineapples 13

    The Metiria affair is starting to remind me of “the Dreyfus affair”

    “The Dreyfus Affair was a political scandal that divided the Third French Republic from 1894 until its resolution in 1906. The affair is often seen as a modern and universal symbol of injustice, and it remains one of the most notable examples of a complex miscarriage of justice. The major role played by the press and public opinion proved influential in the lasting social conflict.
    The scandal began in December 1894, with the treason conviction of Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a young French artillery officer of Alsatian and Jewish descent. Sentenced to life imprisonment for allegedly communicating French military secrets to the German Embassy in Paris, Dreyfus was imprisoned on Devil’s Island in French Guiana, where he spent nearly five years.
    The affair from 1894 to 1906 divided France deeply and lastingly into two opposing camps: the pro-Army, mostly Catholic “anti-Dreyfusards” and the anticlerical, pro-republican Dreyfusards. It embittered French politics and encouraged radicalization.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair

  14. ianmac 14

    Anti Hosking petition stands at 18,073
    Hoskings thinks it is just Winston who opposes him.

    This column disputes Hoskings neutrality:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/95650688/mike-hoskings-political-leanings–in-his-own-words

  15. eco maori 15

    Now its not nice being Maori at this time I rang a guy down south he said come now the farm is run by eastern European and its a mess . So I flew down on my first day on the job I was informed that my job would be tractor driver handy man milker for now the farm had a 80 bail rotary there were 5 workers milking 2 cupping 2 recupping as the cups would fall off and 1 decupping . I noticed that the string to the auto cup removers were snapping . I new what the problem was the auto teat sprayers get a sharp edge as the string slide past it I put duck tape on the place where the string was rubbing on teat spray and replaced all the strings .In the mean time the manager had plant tec in 3 days a week to fix plant they changed all the rubber ware and stuffed around with the plant I checked the vac plant oil it was low and burnt I ordered some oil .The day I changed the oil the calf rear asked if the tec had turned up vac presser as the cups had stopped falling off i said no I changed the oil. On the Saturday there there was a training day Dairy NZ were running a training day the manager had for got and the staff were on days off. After 20 minutes the CEO of DNZ approached me and said that it was obvious than I was the most experienced worker there as the manager did not no he was not milking cows properly and the cows would get mastitis and production would drop. He asked me to help the manager and give him advice . I replied that 2 weeks ago I suggested to start a staff roster with 10 staff he needed a roster that the manager did not take my advice . The plant Tec were embarrassed that I had fixed the plant. I flew home to get my wife. The day I was to drive back down south I rang the owner he told me to stay there and he would ring me WTF The farm owner would rather lose money and stock than higher a proud Maori.
    Now some people will think it was me at fault and that there is no discrimination in NZ I was down south 20 years ago fishing and the Maoris down south did not want to be Maori they called other Maori BUSH PIGS. Now people! We should be proud of ourselves and our ancestors & the values that come with it!

    • Tautoko Mangō Mata 15.1

      I hope you get a better position offered to you in which your skills are valued. Maybe if you sending your details to the CEO of DNZ, explaining the treatment you received might lead to a contact for a better job. Working in such a toxic environment would have been bad for your health. It is not your mana that has diminished. It is that of the ignorant owner and if he is that stupid, then he will be “rewarded” accordingly. Kia kaha.

    • Foreign waka 15.2

      You should mention who the owner is to the appropriate agencies (MAF?) , as not caring properly for animals can lead to animal epidemics and this is will also be of concern to other farmers. The other question is staff work conditions, are they in accordance with NZ law?
      As for not taking advise, pride before the fall…..Stupid is what stupid does.

  16. Robert Guyton 16

    “English says he’s “not particularly concerned” about the content of the texts.

    The trouble is, we hear such things a lot. The capacity of our governments to be serene in the face of troubling realities has become more a cause of discomfort than a reassurance.

    English says not-all-that-inscrutably that he has given “all relevant material” to the police and they have not come to him asking for more. So it sounds like he didn’t pass his texts on. But at least investigators would have a pretty good idea who to hit up for copies.”
    Southland Times – watch this space.

  17. Robert Guyton 17

    2 responses to The Southland Times’article on Metiria Turei:

    “What a damn hypocritical thing to say Sarah Dowie!! You needn’t go far to look at turmoil than your own mate Todd Barclay…. Or have you “chosen” to forget that as well??
    There’s a change coming Sarah and it’s all bad for you.
    ReplyShare0

    3 hours ago
    nettieg3
    Sarah Dowie what a waste of space the clone has spoken the party line lets get rid of her she has done nothing for the real people of Invercargill.”

    Clone!
    Oh dear!

  18. ScottGN 18

    NZherald has been running some online polls (cheaper than proper ones I guess for a totally skint media outfit).
    This morning they published some findings around trust. English most trusted by 31%, Jacinda remarkably close on 26% and Winston back in third on 14%.
    As you’d expect English has a advantage with those over 60 years old, 40% to 21%, but not perhaps as big an advantage as you might expect.
    However in all age groups under 49 years old more respondents trusted Ardern than English. I think that’s a pretty remarkable achievement in little over a week.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11902231

  19. savenz 19

    It’s pretty scary to Pike river waited 4 days to look for survivors – and the authorities took 6.5 years to admit the they saw movement that could have been survivors.

    Leaked Pike River Mine footage could prove there were survivors after first explosion

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/08/leaked-pike-river-mine-footage-could-prove-there-were-survivors-after-first-explosion.html

  20. ianmac 20

    Change.org is running a petition:

    “There should be an inquiry of ex winz beneficiary Paula Bennett and the allegations made surrounding her stint on the benefit.”

    This stands at 20,627

    Paula Bennett Winz Allegations Inquiry.
    Nearest I can get to link.
    https://www.change.org/p/justice-minister-paula-bennett-winz-fraud-inquiry

  21. eco Maori/kiwi 21

    Please if you are not on board with this petition to get BENNETT investigated shut up as at least it will let them no that we can see right through Nationals bullshit

  22. PB 22

    How come we could afford to build dams/roads/schools/hospitals etc and have a social welfare system that was the envy of the world and now we can’t afford to much at all?

    • Ad 22.1

      Narrow commodity-based economy with stagnant productivity.
      Hasn’t changed.

      Plus otherwise untaxed property wealth.

    • gsays 22.2

      I recall the selling of the power companies back to the rich of us , was to pay for schools,roads, etc.

  23. Ad 23

    For some reason it is hard to imagine the New Zealand Parliament holding an inquiry with hearings called: “The implications of climate change for Australia’a National Security”.

    Former Australian Defence Force Chief Admiral Chris Barrie submits:
    “Australia’s climate change credentials have suffered from a serious lack of political leadership.”

    https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2017/08/10/Sub_38_Honorary_Professor_Chris_Barrie.pdf

    Would be great to hear our military leadership show that they too had come to grips with this kind of threat to our own country.

    • Exkiwiforces 23.1

      Ad,

      Most western militaries are taking climate change very seriously at strategic and tactical level weather that be a war fighting/ warlike conditions or in a non warlike/ humanitarian role. I did post something about climate change from a military pov on one of weka’s threads.

      If we look at the last DWP which was released last year or the year before. You would see that Navy has requested an extra OPV of a highly modified version than the current two, a new dive/ hydrographic ship and the new ice capable tanker/ support ship. Also of note that any ship that operating down Sth from 2019 I think has to inline with ice strengthen class rules which rules the current two OPV’s and in the bigger picture stuff the Antarctic Treaty is up for renewal very soon around 2020 I believe ( hopefully someone here will a better idea when the Treaty renewal date is)

      The DWP has also called new Investment in the Airforce ie new Transport Aircarft at Strategic and Tactical capability, new ISR Aircraft both long range and short range (maned and unmanned aircraft) more NH-90s should have been included as well as I think 8 is a little on the small side.

      ATM RNZN and the RNZAF are active in the South Pacific on fisheries patrol as our Asian friends (The Chinese are the biggest culprits so far using their money/soft aid to pay off officials etc) are overfishing and unreported of catchiest.

      I hope this answers some of your questions and if you or anyone else has more questions please fire away and I will try my best to answer them.

      • Ad 23.1.1

        It’s not the proposed new equipment or lack of that bothers me, but the lack of close integration with Civil Defence. Maybe a few more roll on-roll off vessels to really get goods in to to a centre fast.

        I would want to see NZDF responding with a strategy that says a whole bunch more Territorial Forces, Unimogs, and army engineers will be stationed in high flood risk areas.

        To me, bailing out civilian cities and towns in a time of crisis is one of the best uses for our armed forces that I can think of.

        • Exkiwiforces 23.1.1.1

          The RNZN track record in using Rollo’s isn’t great, as the RNZN have been brunt twice trying adapt cheap civilian freighters in Navy ships HMNZS Upham (was a dog of ship and I have never been so sick at sea) and the HMNZS Canterbury http://www.defence.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/independent-review-safety-hmnzs-canterbury2.pdf. No thanks to the stupid pollies.

          Here’s a couple of ideas for future ships in the RNZN
          https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Absalon-class_(Denmark) The StanFlex Modules could be built in NZ to suit NZ conditions, it takes NH-90 as well an I believe it can also do run down Sth as well. To tell you the truth the RNZN should be based in the Danish Navy anyway that’s my POV.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_class_amphibious_transport_dock&redirect=no This is what the Canterbury should have been. Having a docking well means you load and unload up to sea state 6 and not sea state 1 if you are using a ramp aka the Canterbury.

          The Territorial Forces got hammed by National party in the 90’s along with the rest off NZDF and since then it hasn’t really recovered from the 90’s. Both Labour and National have tinkled around the edges IRT the TF. The TF does form the bases for Civil Defence in the regions that don’t have a permanent NZDF bases.

          The only way we can strengthen the TF is to make the TF wages Tax free like here in OZ, as allows those on the dole or DPB or if you are student to earn a bit of cash without getting wack by the taxman, invokes a sense of community sprint, morale rising, a sense of pride in ones self etc, strengthen the Reserve Forces act and think Labour did try to strengthen the act during Timor 1, but the Nat sucked up to its business mates. The Australian Reserve Act is a very good one and I know that for a fact real time and without it the Force Protection of the RAAF would fall over at the moment. The figures out ATM has a RAAF Reserve FP averaging 77 days a yr, so it shows how good the Australian Reserve Act is. If that were to happen in NZ a lot more investment will have to happen to the TF across all 3 services as result of cuts by the National in 90’s to the TF.

          There use be a large TF engineer presence in Dunedin and Christchurch along with 2 Artillery batteries, the NZ Scots recc’e Sqn, 2 medical units at about company strength, 2 Log units, 2 Infantry units and that was just the Major centres. But of most them have disbanded or merge or reduce in size as cost cutting and the minor centres aka rural centre/areas have either closed or just hanging in there because of the local community sprint/ pride etc because of the other central government agencies have closed in the 80/90’s and the TF is the last major government department apart from the police etc.

  24. eco Maori/kiwi 24

    Because National cut taxes now when in business you can claim a lot more expenses against them than 10 years ago can a paye worker claim part of the running cost of and vehicle maintenance I would not mind paying more tax to help others have a better life

  25. Sigh…. Mr Trump threatening North Korea, long standing Greens resigning , Bill English taking a DIP in the polls,… an asteroid set to destroy the planet hurtling towards us, the cornershop dairy running out of bread, and somewhere in far off Kurdistan a small child stubs their toe…

    Monty python – The Universe song which also goes under … – YouTube
    you tube▶ 2:46

  26. ScottGN 26

    It’s been a month since the last Roy Morgan Poll. Which seems a long time given how close we are to the election. It makes you wonder if they cancelled what they were doing and returned to the field in the wake of last weeks upheavals?

    • alwyn 26.1

      They’ve only been polling once a month since the last election. You can see the polling dates here.
      http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll/new-zealand/voting-intention-summary
      If they follow the same pattern this month I would expect the polling to finish this Sunday (13th) and the results to be published on Thursday or Friday next week.
      God knows how they will make any sense of it.

      By the way you can register your e-mail with them and you get a message when a new poll is released.
      Saves having to look their site up when you think a poll might be due.

  27. Penny Bright 27

    IF YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS – YOU DON’T HAVE ANY:

    http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.html

    CHAPTER I: PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES

    Article 1
    The Purposes of the United Nations are:

    To maintain international peace and security, and to that end:

    to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law,

    adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

    To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples,

    and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

    To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character,

    and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

    To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.
    Article 2
    The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

    The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

    All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

    All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

    All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

    All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.

    The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

    Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.

    • McFlock 27.1

      well, that was random.

      • WILD KATIPO 27.1.1

        No it wasn’t.

        It was informative.

        • McFlock 27.1.1.1

          So is the wikipedia page on constipation, but I wouldn’t quite it at length without a contextually-obvious reason..

          • WILD KATIPO 27.1.1.1.1

            Its Open Mike. And you said quite instead of quote.

            • McFlock 27.1.1.1.1.1

              It is, and I did.

              And the comment was still random.

              • nuuu… it was alerting us to something outside of our usual parameters of thought. And important in understanding geopolitical thinking… and,.. sadly , the way in which hypocrisy and duplicity works…

              • Macro

                Yes it was “random” – but in the context of the nuclear pissing war between Trump and Kim Jong-un I think this part is relevant:

                All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

                All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

                All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.

                my bold.
                US is of course a permanent member of the UN security council so (as a leader in the UN) should be setting an example, not blatantly breaking the rules.
                (Chump please take note!)

                • McFlock

                  That is slightly less random. Didn’t pick that out of the cut&paste dump.

                  I’m mildly hopeful that one of them orders a nuke launch and someone on their staff immediately removes them from office.

                  As it is, international law is about as relevant as criminal law is when two equally insecure and spoiled rich manchildren get into a dick measuring argument in a bar.

                  • Macro

                    Yes I’ve been pondering along the lines that if the Chump was to release “Fire and Fury – the like of which the world has never seen”. Then the military would take a more nuanced view and refuse to follow the order. I’m sure they know – because the Chump obviously doesn’t – that a nuclear attack on North Korea would simply lead to a wholesale retaliatory response from China or Russia.

                    • Dennis Frank

                      I’ve been pondering whether the failure to say `fire & brimstone’ was a coded message to the fundamentalists who helped elect him (“you guys don’t control me”). Could be brimstone has gone out of fashion & the twitterati would get lost.

                    • Dennis Frank

                      But to the point being made: it’s all very well for the UN to have such rules, when there’s a breach of them there’s no method of enforcement attached.

                    • Macro – could they really make that choice and do it – does it work or is it successful is one thing and have they actually the fortitude to do such a thing – let alone what would happen next.

                    • Macro

                      I think it’s more likely, given his limited vocabulary, that he doesn’t know the word “brimstone”.
                      I saw a clip last night where Trump used the words “the like of which the world has never seen” in at least half a dozen different contexts.
                      But yes – his “spiritual advisor” says God has given him the word to “take out” Kim Jong-un!
                      🙄
                      Really!!!

                    • McFlock

                      thoughts on whether the slightly less irradiated portions on the planet finally nuke the security council veto when the nuclear winter is over?

                    • Macro

                      Marty

                      The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809[890].ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

                      http://www.omjp.org/ArtLarryDisobey.html
                      my bold
                      Similar obligations hold in our military as well

                    • Macro

                      McFlock – – now wouldn’t that be nice!
                      Gezz I sincerely hope that we can nuke the veto before we nuke ourselves.

                    • Thanks. Hope it doesn’t come to that because I think if that happened it might throw the US over the edge entirely.

                    • McFlock

                      ahem – so the mushroom cloud might have a silver lining? 👿

                    • Macro

                      Marty – I hope one day that all those nut cases that were on “The Standard” chanting “Killary” and “Trump for President” etc (you know the ones… CV et al) will come back and sincerely apologise and acknowledge that they were talking through their arse with respect to the relative merits of Clinton or Trump for the Presidency. I think it is quite clear now who would have been the safer pair of hands.

                    • Don’t be silly… Trump is the actor , the Military heads are the muscle.

                      Ever heard of the ‘ good cop ‘ / bad cop’ routine?

                      That’s what you are seeing.

                      Trump is no fool and has got us all bamboozled.

                      What do you think the missile attack on Syria was all about when he was host to one of China’s highest heads of state ???

                      Just a display of American made firecrackers?

                    • Exkiwiforces

                      On the bright side of this it will at least solve climate warming ATM, so always look on the bright side of life and remember last joke is on you. And on that note i’m off bred and I will see all you lot tomorrow.

                      God bless Monty Python and those that follow Monty Python

                    • McFlock

                      I think the routine you’re looking for is Nixon’s Madman theory.

                      Two points:
                      Firstly, if petulant irrationality is an act by Trump, he’s been building it for decades. Gotta admire his commitment to the bit, I guess.

                      Secondly, the madman thing only works if everyone else is rational. It doesn’t work if everyone plays it: they just end up escalating themselves into a much bigger fight than they were trying to avoid.

                      At the moment, your best scenario is that both kim and the orange one are the equivalent of sports jocks in a bar mouthing off at each other, pretending to be tough and neither able to back down. Soon someone’s going to have to swing a punch.

                    • Exkiwiforces

                      And remember folks Asian nations and especially their leaders don’t like losing face. As said some days ago I said this “if Trump knows this then it’s a hell of a way to chicken with old fat boy as both of them are irrational leaders. The fat boy might just push that big red button for shits and giggles.

                      I wouldn’t be surprised if old mate from Russia makes a play for the Baltic states or the Swedish lsland of Gotland if things get a little hot in northern Asia.

                • And on that note it’s worth posting this link again:

                  Noam Chomsky: First, it is important to remember that the US does not accept the Universal Declaration of Human Rights — though in fact the UDHR was largely the initiative of Eleanor Roosevelt, who chaired the commission that drafted its articles, with quite broad international participation.

                  That article is mostly about the atrocious US health system but it’s obvious that the US doesn’t adhere to the UDHR at all especially when it comes to maintaining peace and invading other countries.

                  • And that takes us back to the 19th century theory of ‘ whoever controls Russia controls the center of the world’.

                    And the western powers still adhere to that… with the USA ( according to John Pilger ) ringing China with more than 200 military bases, working their way towards Russia…

                    But Trump screwed that theory by being mates with Putin.

                    So to throw them all off about Russian interference,… they have a phone call about pretending they are having a fall out…

                    Best of mates in Anttarctica, though before Trump when Obama was around …

                    Head of the Russian Orthodox Church’s Antarctic Adventure – YouTube
                    youtube▶ 0:31

                    Might have something to do with this :

                    NAZI UFO VRILS ATTACK US NAVAL FLEET; RARE … – YouTube
                    you tube▶ 4:23

                    And maybe this from Buzz Aldrin :

                    Buzz Aldrin We Are All In Danger From Evil At South Pole … youtube▶ 9:34

                    And onwards to :

                    Rosicrucianism

                    Helen Blavatskys : theosophisim

                    Nazism/ NASDAP : Ayrianism

                    Cojoining with interdimentialist entities.

                    Maybe Doug Adams and Monty Python were right all along …

                    Or perhaps Gary Wayne is a more serious choice…

      • ScottGN 27.1.2

        Haha. As usual.

  28. Exkiwiforces 28

    Penny,

    You’ve got to reform the Security Council first, but pigs might fly (the 4 legged and F1-11 variety) before the Security Council reform happens.

  29. greywarshark 29

    From a book on Ghandis methods and teaching by Anand Kumarasamy who has Masters in Humanities and Social Sciences from Sydney (a discipline going into reverse in this country). This starts with a quote that goes back to Plato.

    Wikipedia on Plato: 428/427 or 424/423[b] – 348/347 BC) was a philosopher in Classical Greece and the founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world.

    We are now learning to do without thoughts of philosophy, so could we have the first institution without higher learning in the Western world?

    You my friend, a citizen of this great and mighty city of Athens, [Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch] you devote yourself to acquiring the greatest amount of money, honour and reputation, and yet you care so little about wisdom, truth and the greatest improvement of the soul, which you never regard or heed at all? – Plato, Apologia

    Ring a bell? Watch out for people ringing bells. They might be realising dangerous truths.

    • Oh surely not !… Monty python was never meant to be a satirical commentary on the futility of the transient acquisition of material possessions and temporal power , but rather a philosophical and metaphysical reference to the outrageous juxtapositions inherent between matter and anti matter and the reality of inter- dimensionalism . Such as the arrogant plonkers in charge of the CERN project are concerned with …

      It is , however , interesting ,… that the interface between court jester, religious sage and western rationalistic thought find their final expression and nemesis in protons and neutrons colliding at the speed of light in a subterranean tunnel found between the borders of France and Switzerland.

      Me ?… I would rather follow the original hippy that was nailed to two pieces of wood 2000 years ago for suggesting we should be kind to each other… ( Doug Adams )

      “And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.”

      • greywarshark 29.1.1

        I wasn’t on a Monty Python mindset but on a Ghandi one with a bit of Plato and ancient Greece. Life of Brian didn’t come into it, nor Tinkerbell or Trillion or whoever.

    • Stuart Munro 29.2

      Solon is worth a look too:

      “Some wicked men are rich, some good are poor,
      We will not change our virtue for their store:
      Virtue’s a thing that none can take away;
      But money changes owners all the day.”

  30. eco Maori/kiwi 30

    I sure you most of the readers bloggers on this site no what country is the monster in this world!!!!!

    • We are deliberately divided by a managed geopolitical agenda ,…try this instead :

      TALKING GENESIS 6 CONSPIRACY W/GARY WAYNE – YouTube
      Video for gary wayne genesis 6 you tube▶ 1:37:10

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  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    3 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    4 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    6 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    7 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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