One more day, one more lie, one more smile, one more wave.
Some old joke wants my vote. Aspirational fail.
Did you see on TV? The third world disease on her face.
Unlike me, all you see, are scabs not your first world disgrace.
You’re the faeces of the species, you’re the disease, you’re the plague on the face of that girl.
You’re the hunger, you’re the plunder, all asunder, heaven wonder if there’s oil on the moon (in our bones).
You’re the statistic, optimistic, pessimist e-con-o-mystic, you’re the waste in the space.
Merchant banker, supertanker, deep drill wanker, pull your anchor, just get out of the way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorious.
One more try, one more bribe, one more tea for your friend.
Some old bloke on a rope while they bury his dead.
Did you see on tv? The mould on kids in their bed.
Unlike me, all you see, is dirt and the profits from rent.
You’re the faeces of the species, you’re a disease, you’re a plague on the backs of us all.
You’re the sadistic, little twisted, first world gifted, Mi-pad whiz kid, the foul wind in the sales.
You’re the hunter, you’re the blunder, toxic numbers, six foot under, and you’re the slag of good grace.
Mother cluster, bunker buster, colonel mustard, general custard, just get out of our way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorious.
19 on the daily chart, 304 on the wildcard chart, from two votes.
We’re all lefties here, right? we’re all anti poverty and pro children in need, right?
Two clicks, and you don’t even have to listen to the song to vote.
Pass the link around, and we’ll all have played a part in forcing the issue of child hunger and inept government in NZ in the faces of a head under the cover, not really listening public.
Surely you can see what the songs about, so please click to fight to win.
Underneath the title and band name, there’s an orange ‘vote’ button
Or click or mouse over the Al1en head picture and there’s an orange java vote button.
I’d do a screenshot if I knew how post it.
You can vote everyday until we win.
Viva revolution.
I have to to log in using my facebook details to access my profile, but if I log out, return to the site and dismiss the login screen, I always go straight to song page.
I don’t know why you can’t access the page, but I appreciate your efforts in trying.
Thanks.
Sometimes I like a crooked day dream to keep me company at work.
My fave is the song does well using the government’s (ours) money, and the pm handing over an award at the tuis (or whatever they’re called), to a stunt double dressed in an alien suit, with the whole nation knowing it’s about his premiership and him doing sod all to help our children out of poverty, live on TV.
It makes international news reels, and as we know, there’s no such thing as bad, free publicity.
Then my boss comes and wakes me and tells me he’s made my coffee. đ
I voted. But it still asks for some silly flash player, I have never had any trouble playing anything from the net before It would be nice to know what I voted for đ
My respect to all those who have voted.
231 after 7 votes.
You see how easy this could be to win if the just the site stalwarts here gifted a daily vote over the next couple of weeks.
Tell your friends, use the pc at work and home and we could all be having a right old laugh at Teflon john expense.
I don’t want to spam more than I have, and certainly don’t want to wear out my welcome here, so for bearing with me, ta very much.
Just in case anybody is still awake and or interested, I’ve made a Dr Evil pic to accompany the vote link if anyone wants it.
Right click, save as, and email away. http://www.al1en.org
Puff piece in the Herald today on Maggie Barry, written by Audrey Young, headlined ‘Maggie’s Way’.
A Q&A style article. She talks about the insults and bullying nature of parliament and it’s from her point of view all Labour’s fault. Gets politely and super lightly called on insulting and bullying Jacinda Adern, and it turns out it’s all because of Trevor Mallard twitter twatting or something.
Maggie doesn’t do insults or bullying, neither does National, its all Labour and the Greens fault. Of course Young leaves that and moves on to bigger more pressing issues.
Which MP outside your party impresses you?
That’s a hard one. Can I get back to you on that? That’s a really hard one.
Classy, there are good people on both sides of the house doing good work and you can’t even mention one, you f&^*ing work there on committees with these people . Says more about Barry than any of her other answers.
Maggie this may be the zenith of your political career, may your years of seat warming ahead be good for your garden.
This article was so light and fluffy from our hard hitting gallery journo I think the paper floated in from the letterbox this morning on its own.
All the Maori party mps, for services to the National party.
John Banks, that he’s still clinging on to his salary, despite everything that says he shouldn’t.
Simon Bridges, for carrying on and making the best of it, despite taking a severe beating with the wanker stick.
And last and very much least, Paula Bennett, for her continued support for NZ tent makers in these troubled times, and popularising the moo moo all over again, even if she does need help to zip it.
Audrey young doing her bit for the party her daddy served and her herald masters.
Maggie Barry is a vacuous nasty piece of work, can’t even shut the f up and learn the ropes. Finally got selected for one of the safest seats as they couldn’t risk her in anything less.
“I personally think that men and men and women and women should be allowed to marry if that’s what they want. Frankly, I don’t quite understand why they want to do it. I’ve never got married in my life.”
She even manages to screw up her pro-marriage equality stance. It’s like a pre-women’s vote man telling a woman ‘I don’t know why you want the right to vote, I’ve never done it’.
Yes Maggie, we shouldn’t marry because you think it’s silly.
On the subject of student loan defaulters, I have no idea why the IRD cannot just make an agreement with the tax collection agencies of the UK, USA, Ireland, and Aus to have the student debt recovered through their respective tax systems?
Probably because those countries want nothing to change. At the moment, they get all our educated people improving their economy / society.
Not only would it cost their tax systems to chase kiwis, but it would stem the tide of highly educated people working within their country.
I don’t know how anyone could really confuse the two though, the writing styles are worlds apart. “Cactus Kate” is just a horrible bogan wrapped in a logical fallacy.
I actually quite like Cactus’s writing. Sure she is a right wing bogan but at least she is an up front bogan and she writes and thinks rationally. Her principles may be different to ours but at least she has some principles. And unlike Key she is exactly who she is. There is not pretension. She is not trying to make out she is something she is not.
That’s very true micky, and I don’t doubt her sincerity one bit. She’s a straight up honest bastard.
However she does rely on some pretty flimsy logic. For example on RNZ she tried to argue that Matt McCarten shouldn’t criticise the operators of the Pike River mine because he wouldn’t want to run a mine himself.
Also there are times I think a responsible host should hide the keys to her computer…
That is a horrible accusation. I have never been on red radio.
And you’ve misrepresented the comments I did actually make on another station which were in relation to a defamatory comment made by another guest. One who consistently accuses directors of companies of all manner of bad behaviour, so I was merely making a point that it is not as easy and glamorously well remunerated that he may think it is and if it was he should be a mining company director.
What is the world coming to, with Hooton cheer leading for team Shearer, and Cactus Kate arguing (albeit in a nuanced sense) in favour of team Cunliffe. As I read her, she wants to see actual political engagement and a proper battle of ideas, rather than both left and right racing to see who can do the best job of cosseting the middle class. And I have to say, it is a lovely piece of writing.
Odgers can’t write to save herself. I find her at times close to illiterate. On top of this, no matter how much she tries to dress things up for her audience, her words are invariably littered with a belief that greed is good and spiked with a hatred for anyone she thinks may impede that pursuit. I would’ve loved to have seen her in parliament, getting roasted on a daily basis, away from the safety of her computer screen. Small fish in an even smaller pond.
Of all the things to talk about you are all hung up on whinging about grammar and calling me a bogan.
Little wonder Cunliffe cannot gain momentum in a working class party.
His supporters are a bunch of snobby toffs.
This kind of grammar policing, of anyone, really makes me cringe. The style of my writing is often poor and ungrammatical. Yet somehow, I feel entitled to have my say. If I felt insecure about all this, as so many people do, reading these kinds of comments would make me even more reticent about participating in conversations at the Standard.
Looks like you’re hung up on issues with your bad writing, too. There was this, you know:
“On top of this, no matter how much she tries to dress things up for her audience, her words are invariably littered with a belief that greed is good and spiked with a hatred for anyone she thinks may impede that pursuit.”
I hope you aren’t implying that those who are put off speaking out by comments deriding others for their writing deficits, are just being “oversensitive”.
I’m never too bothered about clumsy or wrong grammar, but “CK’s” summary of my post as:
The silly policy to build homes for middle class kiddies screaming poverty is an excellent example of this Cunliffe v Shearer tension. “Karol” has an excellent post on this and has thought of the conspiracy that capitalism in fact is to blame in forcing this idea that owning your own home is aspirational to all.
…. is just inaccurate, whether as result of clumsy use of words, or just a poor interpretation. I was critical of the political position and policy of the current Labour caucus leadership (Team Shearer really), but I’m pretty sure I never referred to Cunliffe directly or indirectly in my ‘state housing vs home ownership’ post. And “conspiracy” is not what I think of when I am writing about the way the loose networks of the wealthy and powerful operate to further their own interests.
So she doesn’t have much of an idea of what I was thinking, but then maybe the entity that is “karol” is just a quotation, a figment of someone’s (or some group’s) imagination?
You’re being far too charitable, Karol. Anyone who refers to the poor as the “pathetic heaving underclass”, believes beneficiaries should be paid not to “breed” and thinks Slater’s blog has anything to offer other than a window into how nasty the right can get can’t be taken seriously. Just as QoT saw the hook in Fran O’Sullivan’s piece, no matter how hard she tries Odgers cannot help but let her true colours show, even when she posts on The Standard as happened again throughout today. I do not see how some on the Left can place genuine value in anything she says.
There were some points of agreement between my views on home ownership & CK’s, but she went off on her own little tangent about the (allegedly continuing) Cunliffe-Shearer tension.
I’m more curious as to why TS suddenly got so much attention over the last 24 hours or so, from CK, MH, and a Labour MP and an LP policy person. Some things seem to be bubbling away out of my sight. Yes, FO’S was still being pretty right wing, but, also seemed to shift her position somewhat.
I’m wondering if it’s part of a growing sense of uncertainty about changes happening that some political people feel they are losing control of. While some may be just trying to manoeuvre so they’ll be in a relatively favourable position when the dust settles.
Hi weka, the game is far bigger than February, important as that is. Leaders come and go, MPs come and go, neither Shearer nor Cunliffe will be relevant 10-15 years from now. The real sea change has to happen at the Labour membership and constitutional level. And we’ve only just started.
As I read her, she sees the Shearer/Cunliffe tension as arising from the courting of the middle class by the Shearer people, and the desire for a genuinely left orientation by a lot of left wing people. And she sees the housing policy and your response to it as exemplifying this tension. But I agree that beyond those points, she does go off on her own tangent.
Queue some b/s about ck’s post being proof positive that ‘misguided’ types of the left are unwittingly in cahoots with portions of the right and in effect undermining the ‘nice’ Labour Party just as the ‘right’ wants, and how every one counted within the ‘misguided left’ ought now, and once and for all, STFU.
In fact. Haven’t I already read that line somewhere here at ts?
Does ‘indeed’ indicate you think that’s a reasonable line to spin, McFlock? The reason I ask is your follow-on, which I guess is attempting to posit the opposite of what I’d call a b/s line. And it’s another b/s line. No-one is calling on DS to resign the leadership. But lots of people are wanting to see democracy really exist within the Labour Party. And, I guess, pressure might be applied to mp’s who’d rather deny democracy in Feb.
Now, you might not agree with that sentiment or goal. Fine. But don’t mis-call it as a call for DS to resign.
Well, I have seen arguments that posit Hooten’s support for shearer is evidence that shearer is not fit to be leader.
If I were to make a similar quibble about your phrasing, I don’t recall seeing anyone here specifically demand that critics of the Labour party should “STFU”.
Yep things are getting really strange. Chris Trotter thinks the nats have a mandate to sell our assets and the right are calling for tax increases for the wealthy.
Has it ever occurred to any of you lot that most people don’t have a blindly ideological approach to every issue unlike yourselves – that there are good points and bad points to both sides of most given arguments? That most peoples views may shift back and forth somewhat over time?
I guess it is because you lot are in constant battle mode fighting the good war against the forces of evil, you have developed an us vs them mentality – “you are either with us or against us!”.
You are left exasperated an confused when you can’t squeeze someone into one of a few pigeon holes.
Has it ever occurred to you that us lot don’t give one big fat f**k what you ‘think’ and we only tolerate you as an object of mirth to bestow the odd piece of spittle upon when we have run out of jokes about the Prime Minister Slippery’s bad habit of public displays of ‘spastic dancing’…
Neo marxism is dead in the water – who’s suppose to be the Agent of change since the proletariat failed to turn up to the party? Why should anyone believe that knowledge is only ever Historical never Universal?
Has it ever occurred to any of you lot that most people donât have a blindly ideological approach to every issue unlike yourselves â that there are good points and bad points to both sides of most given arguments? That most peoples views may shift back and forth somewhat over time?
Sounds like poststructuralist mumbo-jumbo to me…isn’t that usually your target?
No its not poststructurlist, its Humanist. I believe there is an objective reality and objective universal values about ethics/justice.
Post structuralists/Deconstructionist/various Feminists splinter groups/Neo Marxists/Cultural Relativists/Multiculturalists – they all suffer from hyper relativism and symptoms of solipsism of varying severity.
Makes it hard to pin that lot down as they twist and squirm, grabbing a bit of this and a bit of that to create what can only be described as very bad philosophy.
well, that is where we part ways friend; existence precedes essence; consider the “existence” of people born with profound impairments (at Templeton there were “patients” that resembled sun-fish, to put it politely); consider the “essence” of so-called “schizophrenics”; I have followed your comments over the year, and like mine, there is nothing “objective” about them. (we need new lock-nuts)
Ah, k-p, why so keen to put people in boxes? I do have difficulty following a party line or any one theory – the best still have their weaknesses. It depends on the context and the issue as to which is most useful. I am a little bit neo-Marxist and quite a bit post-structuralist. There are some things in postmodernism I agree with. There is no theory of everything. But I am for democratic socialism, social and economic justice/fairness, and am against violence, prejudice, persecution and oppression.
And I am for evidence-based research, knowledge, understanding and argument.
I do think there is an objectively (scientifically) verifiable material reality. I see objectivity as a process, not an end point. And it doesn’t necessarily cancel out subjectivity, especially when it comes to human activities and communications. Objectivity is haunted by subjectivity, as you demonstrated with that sentence of yours I quoted above. But, that’s the thing about language and human communications.
You seem to miss your own contradictions. “believing” in something is a subjective statement.
Yep. I’d say it’s an odd sort of humanism that fails to recognise that humans interpret reality both subjectively, and through socially constructed lenses.
not that flakey Post Modernist stuff which I think QofT suffers from.
No, please, do go on.
I’ll just be over here having a chuckle that you managed to get from “you stupid lefties just want to pigeonhole everyone” into “I bet you’re a neo-Marxist” in a mere six comments.
”i have never read the book,(Marx),tho i was told to take a look,i lifted my pool hall cue for another game”,
(Thanks to the Clash for the lines which i have gleefully altered with the addition of the Social/economists moniker),
LOLZ, my pidgeon hole is somewhere in the vicinity of Pol Pot, a Communizing Fascist,
Thanks to the good old New Zealand education tho i have the ability to realize that getting KP’s relatives to bang a four inch nail into the back of His head at gun-point just isn’t acceptable human behaviour so good old Post-Modernist,(whatever the fuck that means), me has had to accept simply being a Socialist…
Trotter must have holidayed in one of those Batchs that have 50 year old lumpy couches!
He didn’t get a good rest and over stretched some of the points he was making.
Shearer should front foot the mercenary thing so that it is yesterday’s news by the time the Nats get their research ready for leaking through their usual channels
This is twilight zone stuff…are Right Wing commentators giving Key and English room to launch one or two definitively Left Wing policies? Can their strategy for 2014 be really this cunning? Mix in one or two headline Left Wing policies (top tax rate hike and youth employment/youth training programmes), and use it as cover for austerity and asset sell downs elsewhere?
I wonder if they have found in their polling that a lot of ordinary NZers – including the middle class – are worried that their kids can’t seem to get ahead and that there is a shortage of decent jobs and training opportunities.
Nah, it just won’t happen via a lift in the top tax rate, the Fed crowd would string English up by a very sensitive part of His anatomy in a rotary shed at the very thought of it,
The only invite Slippery would get from now until the little Shyster is given the kick would be from those wishing to have Him behave naturally,(dance like a clown),in their presence while they took pics to show off to the Grand-kids in their dotage,
The Bizness lobby would immediately stop calling, i think that if they are going to spend money on any sort of employment initiative,(or pretend to), the usual suspect will be trotted out, asset sales proceeds will have yet another attachment of ‘youth employment’ attached to it along with the continuously growing list of roading,health,schools,debt, blah blah blah,
Other than that if the Slippery little Shyster has half a brain He will be offering employers a years worth of dole payments as a ‘training allowance’ to actually employ a large number of the 24% of unemployed youth, possibly with a slight hint at a top tax rate rise…
Have people forgotten about the youth changes for 16-17 year olds?
Does one think it’s possible that that was setting the scene for harsher benefit conditions for all youth and more privatisation?
The right taketh more than they giveth so creating an enviornment where it seems that they are taking positive steps to address the issue may simply be a way of saying to people well now there’s no excuse to be on a benefit.
Bootcamps won’t work this time to get that 5% of swinging vote but the strategy surely won’t change – we’re offering this but if you don’t avail yourself of our wonderful opportunity then benefit damnation is yours.
Can their strategy really be this cunning? It sounds eerily like their 2008 me-to strategy. The must be getting a bit of polling feedback telling them to DO something.
This is what I reckon. Also, any PR headline increase in the top personal tax rate can be more than compensated for by drops in corporate and trust tax rates, see how it works đ
may I just pop in here?
I have made this letter longer than usual, only because I have not had time to make it shorter đ
(The last thing on knows when constructing a work is what to put first; continual eloquence is tedious) ;)-Blaise
WHAT WE CAN NEVER KNOW,or the collapsing hermeneutic (there’s your spiral)
-David Germez
“one could in the light of the fact that the divine life is itself a continued variation,,, apply to divinity in the most exalted sense the name of time. The old mythology of Chronos as primordial being and first divine principle seems thereby to be somehow in contact with the truth”
-Franz Bretano :Philosophical Investigations on Space Time and the Continuum.
“All created things are God’s speech. The being of a stone speaks and manifests the same as does my mouth about God: and people understand more by what is done than by what is said”
-Meister Eckhart : The Essential Sermons, Commentaries, Treatises and Defence.
Let just get this out there. A person in receipt of a benefit, if they earn more than $3,400 are pushed up into the second lowest band of taxation. Key did this because obviously he never read the convention on human rights, that if someone is so in need that they receive a benefit then they cannot be treated differently, that everyone should receive the same amount of welfare. Yet Key believes that progressive taxation should kick on those on welfare!
Looking at it another way. People who earn $100,000 pay 10.5% on the first $14,000 they earn.
People who earn $3,400 pay only at the 10.5% rate. Those in receipt of a welfare
check, and have no income, get the full entitlement, pay no tax on income. But Key in
his infinite stupidity believes that those individuals who do have some paltry $3,400+
of income should not get the full welfare entitlement (as effectively they pay more tax,
pay the 17.5% rate on their measly income after the first $3,400).
Just for a moment imagine the cost of filing tax returns as all those people on welfare
whose taxation just became a complicated mess. Whatever happened to keeping
government taxation simple. But worse, how can government argue that families
on welfare should not get family tax credit when there is clearly income tax
bands for those on welfare. I mean whatever happened to equal treatment in taxation.
You pay a higher rate of tax makes you eligible for the programs its funds to those who
also pay higher rates of tax.
“whatever happened to equal treatment in taxation”, only when the main beneficiaries of such treatment are those at the top of the food chain or those who vote to put them there,
The Working for Families fiasco where the Clark Government deemed the middle class,(and quite high up in that decile), to be more ‘in need’ of relief from taxation than beneficiaries with children was the final straw for me that broke my connection with Labour,
Incidently the ‘loud noise’ us lot at the Standard have been making over housing affordability has obviously attracted the attention of Labour so much so that Annette King has paid a visit and at least aquainted herself with the concerns many of us here have regarding State owned rentals being provided to the decile of lower waged workers so there is a small glimmer of hope of seeing some specific and substantial gains in that area when Labour release it’s completed election policy,(hopefully sooner rather than later),
My view is that the next ‘issue’ that we as the Standard need to address is just that of ‘working for Families’ and just how grossly unfair is it to tax the benefits of welfare dependent children and then refuse to offer them the ‘tax relief’ offered to the children of the upper echelons of the middle class…
The money spent on some of WFF would be better off being spent on a) a universal family benefit, and b) an increase in the state housing stock. The same outcome would be achieved.
Though I agree with the sentiments leveled at Labour, my point was this, that Key introduced a second progressive tax in the middle of the welfare. Imagine for a moment that we pay benefit to help people out of poverty only to tax them more if they do the right thing on welfare!
Save or get some part time work????
But worse, by taxing them on welfare we also don’t pay them WFF, which is blatantly unfair.
But its even worse, the 10.5% tax rate is a farce since its really just a tax relief for the rich, those who don’t get welfare don’t the relief since unlike everyone else the MSD take the first
10.5% tax band when they provide welfare. So the low tax band had no effect except for the
free who live off assets with little income (and can’t claim benefit), those geared to reduce their
taxes using trusts – the super rich.
Merging Madness and Reason (it’s the DSM V season)
“you have never been diagnosed as mad-this is the shifting sand upon which you erect your sanity. Yet, your illness has gone unrecognized…you have been deprived of treatment because the steady, sure advance of science has taken too long to reach you.”
“Beneath the (can’t read my handwriting, some adjective) labels of consensus there is just the homogenous zone-our common origins and physiology bind us together; we are a crowd of open-eyed children staring with wonder at the world. This vast assembly of “thrown” people is the homogenous zone-a coat of many (red) colours”.
“Reason too, recognized itself as being duplicated and dispossessed of itself; it thought itself wise and it was and it was mad; it thought it knew and it knew nothing; it thought itself righteous and it was insane; knowledge led one to the forbidden world when one thought one was being led by it to eternal light.” (thats “progress” for ya’s; Get Ya YaYa’s Out) (those art-school rockers aye)
-Foucault :Mental Illness and Psychology
According to Scheff, relative to the rate of treated “mental illness” the rate of unrecorded residual rule breaking of societal norms is extremely high.
-consider this continual self-absorbed flouting of cell -phone /driving legislation, and it’s on the increase; BodyCount’s in the house.Listen to how close people are to stress thresholds in their daily discourse with children, family, associates, witness the behavioural temperature on the roads, the anasthetization and subsequent harms carried out; that’s why I drank alone in the end; Dos Gusanos was fun though, all those years ago đ (an I’m not surprised productivity is tanking when I observe people ostensibly working yet using their work p.c for shopping and such-like)
“Once upon a time, in some out of the way corner of that universe which is dispersed into numberless twinkling solar systems, there was a star upon which clever beasts invented knowing. That was the most arrogant and mendacious minute of ‘world history’, but nevertheless, it was only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths, the star cooled and congealed and the clever beasts had to die-One might invent such a fable and yet still it would not have adequately illustrated how miserable, how shadowy and transient, how aimless and arbitrary the human intellect looks within nature.
-Friedrich Nietzsche :On Truth and Lies in a Non-Moral Sense
“Madness and sanity are variants of the same phenomena; everything that we see and fear in the madman can also be seen and feared in ourselves. We are all mad children, we are all autistic, we are all deluded, we are all abstract and solipsistic and we all madly cobble together systems of absurd beliefs on this lost planet of fools; perhaps a fundamental truth about our humanity can be found in the instability, ‘throwness’ and madness of the homogenous zone.”
(Baudrillard places his hopes in terrorism, viruses and catastrophe)
i read today of an analysts perspective on FIVE potential Asian Shocks
-Taiwanese Independence asserted by the democratic vote
-Islamic unrest reaching China
-US Defence (Naval) cuts
-Thailand destabilized
-Territorial disputes in E and S China seas (we do live in interesting times)
Exit Strategy
-Why, thou sayest well; I do now remember a saying, “The fool doth think he is wise, yet the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”
-As You Like It (if you are ruled by mind, you are a king, if by body, a slave-Cato)
WHAT WE CAN NEVER KNOW- David Gamez. I whole-heartedly recommend this little book; I read it this afternoon at the library (air-con and I cannot afford to pay my fees, yet;)
HBT-10 more hot dry days forecast, little rain since August, Irrigation Ban on the way, Farmers may ‘dry out’
-if you’re walking a dog, they cannot eat anything they find in or around rivers or ponds, (cyano-bacteria) meanwhile we are going to supply more dairy to another Infant Formula Manufacturer establishing in NI
Dom-The Children’s Commissioner, a HB paediatrician,Russell Wills,, is “incredulous” about child poverty and inequality in our country…
from your friendly neighbourhood “madman” (hyper-rationally and reflexively yours)
now what am I gonna do for a crust. hmmm
11.29 By faith the people passed through the RED Sea, as on dry land, but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. đ
đ It’s a Mad Mad World, btw D, I’m gettin “bored” again, don’t wanna write a book, there’s enough been written already, might start an Anarchist Commune ala http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin đ
I assumed your “watch from the High Plains” remark meant that you weren’t going to be actively commenting for the moment, forgive me if I misinterpreted.
Loved your stuff, trooper, a message from Nu-Earth?
“And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.”
“What is happening at the moment? Because the Falklands are back in the news. Belfast is back in the news. It’s like some sort of hideous 80s revival, isn’t it? All we need is a heartless Conservative prime minister attacking the unemployed and demonising the poor, bankers making obscene profits, David Bowie releasing a single…”–Sandi Toksvig, The News Quiz
mickysavage -> So tell me KP is unfettered capitalism in a healthy state and just what this world needs?
Obviously not. I was never a supporter of neo liberalism, except back in the 80s when I was in my middle teens. But everyone was entranced by it then, Muldoon was gone, the Cold War over, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous was on TV.
This is an interesting piece by a contemporary philosopher I like, applying some Humanist qualities – imagination, intuition, memory, ethics – to the current morass:
“I can only ask: is there a single example in Western civilisation over the past 2500 years when a broad policy of austerity has pulled a civilisation out of crisis and set it on the road to wellbeing, prosperity or growth? No. There is no example. There is no evidence. Only ideological conviction – romanticism – coming out of a political-economic theory packed into an apparently inevitable force called globalisation…
…Crises usually strike when ideologies have been around too long and the elites that serve them have lost their ability for critical thought…
…Instead of retreating inside a received wisdom, which has already revealed that it doesn’t work, we could turn to some basic, helpful human qualities…
…Ethics, for example, are a simple, practical reminder that the primary obligation of a civilisation is to its citizens’ wellbeing, not to the protection of commercial contracts or the servicing of debts. The fact that most of these debts were incurred by the commercial sector and its financiers reinforces this point…
…Memory is an essential tool of education. You can’t deal with a crisis if you are in the hands of economists, managers and business elites who don’t know the history of debt. They don’t know the history of competition. Very few read anything of consequence. They are the briefing paper generation. Many are, in reality, functionally illiterate, except on very narrow topics. They don’t know what has worked and not worked in their own society. In fact, they don’t seem to understand the concept of either society or civilisation…
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…History is clear. When faced by unsustainable debts, the fools, the weak, the degenerate civilisations become obsessed by what they owe. They convince themselves that money is real, not an agreed-upon convention. They become its slave. And they destroy themselves. Successful civilisations make these impossible debts disappear – clearly, intentionally, massively. In this way they protect what needs to be protected, such as the savings of real people and their pensions. They clear the decks and the result is raw, new human energy to deal with society’s needs. History is filled with examples of this being done on purpose. It is also filled with the carcasses of those who refused to face reality and so caused their societies to commit suicide.”
For some reason no reply buttons are showing for Pascal or karol, so here goes:
Pascal -> “Yep. Iâd say itâs an odd sort of humanism that fails to recognise that humans interpret reality both subjectively, and through socially constructed lenses.”
Where did I deny any subjectivity? It’s the post structuralists/post modernists who go the hyper relativistic route.
You end up with crazy feminists calling Newton’s Laws of Physics a ‘rape manual’, and prattling on about “Rape Culture”. Science is dismissed or supposedly ‘improved’ via “Critical Theory” to “Feminist Science” or “Post Modernest Science”.
It’s all very poor philosophy and embodies atrociously low Academic standards.
You don’t necessarily “end up with crazy feminists calling Newtonâs Laws of Physics a ârape manualâ” if you accept a lot of what PM theorists say. And to equate that sort of thing with rape culture’ is just asinine.
Do you think that cultural norms are socially constructed, partially through the way we talk about things? And that cultural norms affect individuals thoughts about behavior and blameworthiness?
If so, then it’s no stretch to say that the way a society talks about rape, will affect the incidence of rape. ie, that some ways of talking about rape could increase the incidence of rape by creating cultural norms that support rapists interpretations of reality.
You end up with crazy feminists calling Newtonâs Laws of Physics a ârape manualâ, and prattling on about âRape Cultureâ. Science is dismissed or supposedly âimprovedâ via âCritical Theoryâ to âFeminist Scienceâ or âPost Modernest Scienceâ.
Oops, k_p’s brain overloaded and it’s back to copy-pasting MRA propaganda which he’s already been informed multiple times is inaccurate. Balance has been restored to the Force.
karol -> “Ah, k-p, why so keen to put people in boxes? ”
Just want to know where you stand is all, nothing wrong with that.
“I do have difficulty following a party line or any one theory â the best still have their weaknesses.”
I don’t follow a part line and I get MOBBED on here for it – especially by your girl pals.
“It depends on the context and the issue as to which is most useful.”
It’s not good enough to go with what is “useful”. Marxism for example is a theory of everything, the guy was a genius obviously, nevertheless his philosophical system crashed and burned. Why should anyone believe you have the intellectual ability to uplift a fragment of it, remove it from context and claim it is “useful” for contemporary application.
“I am a little bit neo-Marxist and quite a bit post-structuralist. There are some things in postmodernism I agree with.”
The main tenet in postmodernism is that language is meaningless. Apparently Focault back tracked from that to the position that the meaning the reader gets from a text may differ from the author’s intention. In which case he hasn’t made any insight that authors and readers haven’t been aware of already.
As for Derrida, he’s been called an intellectual fraudster by some luminary academic types. Anyone who says they have read Derrida is lying, its incomprehensible – worse than Hegel.
The fact that Post-structuralist professors still hand out As Bs and Cs to their students submitted essays suggest the whole exercise is an insider’s joke.
“There is no theory of everything. But I am for democratic socialism, social and economic justice/fairness, and am against violence, prejudice, persecution and oppression.”
“And I am for evidence-based research, knowledge, understanding and argument.”
You are keeping the word “science” out of it. Are you referring to science, if not why not, and to what are you referring, Karol?
“I do think there is an objectively (scientifically) verifiable material reality.”
Ok you do bring up science now. Don’t know how you can claim to believe in science but claim to be “quite a bit post-structuralist”
“I see objectivity as a process, not an end point. And it doesnât necessarily cancel out subjectivity, especially when it comes to human activities and communications. Objectivity is haunted by subjectivity, as you demonstrated with that sentence of yours I quoted above. But, thatâs the thing about language and human communications.”
I never denied that there is subjectivity, it is postmodernist who deny the objective.
“You seem to miss your own contradictions. âbelievingâ in something is a subjective statement.”
Is it? Does it matter? Like I said I don’t deny there is subjectivity eg “Chocolate tastes better than vanilla!” [ proviso – scientist discover genetic basis for varying tastes ]
[lprent: There is no “partY line” – it is every person’s argument for themselves. However there is a moderation line.
Personally I tend to view you as having a problem with dealing with women (what is it with that?) and indeed with anyone who thinks. You have that kind of “I’m just a poor victim” mentality (as you have amply demonstrated in this comment) that makes it difficult for you to deal with anyone disagreeing with you. And to top it off you seem to be a poor excuse for a psuedo-intellectual. Generally a waste of bandwidth and a bit of a luser in social media terms.
But these are just my opinions – they don’t enter into moderation.
Most of the time you pick up bans for either personally attacking authors or peristently going off topic in posts – usually the female authors. Right now you’re on most moderators “watch for stupidity” lists, and includes r0b’s list (about your only NOTABLE acheivement to date). ]
âI am a little bit neo-Marxist and quite a bit post-structuralist. There are some things in postmodernism I agree with.”
To be very blunt and clear, to me you are the typical KIWI IDIOT, I frown on, you have neither any understanding of complex history, socialism, social science, alternative social agendas and even scientifically evidenced social data.
I am totally flabber-ghasted about what brought you here.
Sorry, my impression is, you know too little of what goes down.
My comment was not really directed at the quote “kiwi_prometheus” used re what Karol may have commented on before, it was just totally incoherent, confusing, contradictory and much senseless, what “kiwi_prometheus” commented on in a wider context, also using that particular quote.
I tried to read his truly bizarre comments a few times, and I still cannot make that much sense at all out of what “k_p” tried to say or argue. Sorry for the frustration that lead to anger and some over the top comment I made in return.
You are not even just that “Kiwi idiot” I sometimes dismissably refer to, you are a totally ignorant, one sided coffin slicer of sorts, getting another angle on why some people may have died.
That is the lowest and cheapest crap I ever read and heard, man. Rot in fucking hell for that.
I donât follow a part line and I get MOBBED on here for it â especially by your girl pals.
Have you ever considered that’s because you say really stupid things about girls?
Itâs not good enough to go with what is âusefulâ. Marxism for example is a theory of everything, the guy was a genius obviously, nevertheless his philosophical system crashed and burned.
There’s only one thing to say here and it was said by Marx himself: I don’t know what I am but I know that I’m not a Marxist.
Marx considered that Marxists had twisted his teachings. This can most clearly be seen by his writings on the Paris Commune of 1871 which was anarchist. It was destroyed by military attack from the government.
Is it? Does it matter?
Yes it does. Opinion and belief cannot change objective fact. This is something that the RWNJs and economists can’t seem to grasp.
“The main tenet in postmodernism is that language is meaningless. Apparently Focault back tracked from that to the position that the meaning the reader gets from a text may differ from the authorâs intention. In which case he hasnât made any insight that authors and readers havenât been aware of already.”
Hi xtasy. This paragraph pretty much sums things up. Every point made here is complete and utter bullshit and incorrect no matter how you look at it. So much so it’s impossible to engage with. I’d tell kp sayonara.
A great experience I had today, or rather yesterday (12.01.) to visit and view the NEW Rainbow Warrior vessel down at Princes Wharf. I am IMPRESSED, Greenpeace got their shit together, had I not been a member of sorts, I would have signed up right way.
I am worried for the ones who do not get it, how much NZ, Australian and Antarctic environmen is in danger! It is damned serious.
I left the vessel in doubt and worry, who is going to keep them alive to fight, I asked, being myself in dire straits.
I can only hope they get donations, manage and do more good, as that is what Greenpeace are here for. I would dread the day they die. I would want to die also.
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Tiwhatiwha te pĹ, tiwhatiwha te ao. Tiwhatiwha te pĹ, tiwhatiwha te ao. Matariki Tapuapua, He roimata ua, he roimata tangata. He roimata e wairurutu nei, e wairurutu nei. Te MÄreikura mÄrohirohi o Ihoa o ngÄ Mano, takoto Te ringa mÄkohakoha o Rongo, takoto. Te mÄtauranga o TĹŤÄhuriri o Ngai Tahu ...
Three core networks within the tourism sector are receiving new investment to gear up for the return of international tourists and business travellers, as the country fully reconnects to the world. âOur wider tourism sector is on the way to recovery. As visitor numbers scale up, our established tourism networks ...
The Government is contributing $100,000 to a Mayoral Relief Fund to help the Levin community following this morningâs tornado, Minister for Emergency Management Kiri Allan says. âMy thoughts are with everyone who has been impacted by severe weather events in Levin and across the country. âI know the tornado has ...
The Quintet of Attorneys General have issued the following statement of support for the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and investigations and prosecutions for crimes committed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine: âThe Attorneys General of the United Kingdom, the United States of America, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand join in ...
Morena tatou katoa. Kua tae mai i runga i te kaupapa o te rÄ. Thank you all for being here today. Yesterday my colleague, the Minister of Finance Grant Robertson, delivered the Wellbeing Budget 2022 â for a secure future for New Zealand. Iâm the Minister of Health, and this was ...
Urgent Budget night legislation to stop major supermarkets blocking competitors from accessing land for new stores has been introduced today, Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Dr David Clark said. The Commerce (Grocery Sector Covenants) Amendment Bill amends the Commerce Act 1986, banning restrictive covenants on land, and exclusive covenants ...
It is a pleasure to speak to this Budget. The 5th we have had the privilege of delivering, and in no less extraordinary circumstances. Mr Speaker, the business and cycle of Government is, in some ways, no different to life itself. Navigating difficult times, while also making necessary progress. Dealing ...
Budget 2022 provides funding to implement the new resource management system, building on progress made since the reform was announced just over a year ago. The inadequate funding for the implementation of the Resource Management Act in 1992 almost guaranteed its failure. There was a lack of national direction about ...
The Government is substantially increasing the amount of funding for public media to ensure New Zealanders can continue to access quality local content and trusted news. âOur decision to create a new independent and future-focused public media entity is about achieving this objective, and we will support it with a ...
$662.5 million to maintain existing defence capabilities NZDF lower-paid staff will receive a salary increase to help meet cost-of living pressures. Budget 2022 sees significant resources made available for the Defence Force to maintain existing defence capabilities as it looks to the future delivery of these new investments. âSince ...
More than $185 million to help build a resilient cultural sector as it continues to adapt to the challenges coming out of COVID-19. Support cultural sector agencies to continue to offer their important services to New Zealanders. Strengthen support for MÄori arts, culture and heritage. The Government is investing in a ...
It is my great pleasure to present New Zealandâs fourth Wellbeing Budget. In each of this Governmentâs three previous Wellbeing Budgets we have not only considered the performance of our economy and finances, but also the wellbeing of our people, the health of our environment and the strength of our communities. In Budget ...
It is my great pleasure to present New Zealandâs fourth Wellbeing Budget. In each of this Governmentâs three previous Wellbeing Budgets we have not only considered the performance of our economy and finances, but also the wellbeing of our people, the health of our environment and the strength of our communities. In Budget ...
Four new permanent Coroners to be appointed Seven Coronial Registrar roles and four Clinical Advisor roles are planned to ease workload pressures Budget 2022 delivers a package of investment to improve the coronial system and reduce delays for grieving families and whÄnau. âOperating funding of $28.5 million over four ...
Establishment of Ministry for Disabled People Progressing the rollout of the Enabling Good Lives approach to Disability Support Services to provide self-determination for disabled people Extra funding for disability support services âBudget 2022 demonstrates the Governmentâs commitment to deliver change for the disability community with the establishment of a ...
Fairer Equity Funding system to replace school deciles The largest step yet towards Pay Parity in early learning Local support for schools to improve teaching and learning A unified funding system to underpin the Reform of Vocational Education Boost for schools and early learning centres to help with cost ...
$118.4 million for advisory services to support farmers, foresters, growers and whenua MÄori owners to accelerate sustainable land use changes and lift productivity $40 million to help transformation in the forestry, wood processing, food and beverage and fisheries sectors $31.6 million to help maintain and lift animal welfare practices across Aotearoa New Zealand A total food and ...
House price caps for First Home Grants increased in many parts of the country House price caps for First Home Loans removed entirely KÄinga Whenua Loan cap will also be increased from $200,000 to $500,000 The Affordable Housing Fund to initially provide support for not-for-profit rental providers Significant additional ...
Child Support rules to be reformed lifting an estimated 6,000 to 14,000 children out of poverty Support for immediate and essential dental care lifted from $300 to $1,000 per year Increased income levels for hardship assistance to extend eligibility Budget 2022 takes further action to reduce child poverty and ...
More support for RNA research through to pilot manufacturing RNA technology platform to be created to facilitate engagement between research and industry partners Researchers and businesses working in the rapidly developing field of RNA technology will benefit from a new research and development platform, funded in Budget 2022. âRNA ...
A new Business Growth Fund to support small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs) to grow Fully funding the Regional Strategic Partnership Fund to unleash regional economic development opportunities Tourism Innovation Programme to promote sustainable recovery Eight Industry Transformation Plans progressed to work with industries, workers and iwi to transition ...
Budget 2022 further strengthens the economic foundations and wellbeing outcomes for Pacific peoples in Aotearoa, as the recovery from COVID-19 continues. âThe priorities we set for Budget 2022 will support the continued delivery of our commitments for Pacific peoples through the Pacific Wellbeing Strategy, a 2020 manifesto commitment for Pacific ...
Boost for MÄori economic and employment initiatives. More funding for MÄori health and wellbeing initiatives Further support towards growing language, culture and identity initiatives to deliver on our commitment to Te Reo MÄori in Education Funding for natural environment and climate change initiatives to help farmers, growers and whenua ...
New hospital funding for WhangÄrei, Nelson and Hillmorton 280 more classrooms over 40 schools, and money for new kura $349 million for more rolling stock and rail network investment The completion of feasibility studies for a Northland dry dock and a new port in the Manukau Harbour Increased infrastructure ...
$168 million to the MÄori Health Authority for direct commissioning of services $20.1 million to support Iwi-MÄori Partnership Boards $30 million to support MÄori primary and community care providers $39 million for MÄori health workforce development Budget 2022 invests in resetting our health system and gives economic security in ...
Biggest-ever increase to Pharmacâs medicines budget Provision for 61 new emergency vehicles including 48 ambulances, along with 248Â more paramedics and other frontline staff New emergency helicopter and crew, and replacement of some older choppers $100 million investment in specialist mental health and addiction services 195,000 primary and intermediate aged ...
Landmark reform: new multi-year budgets for better planning and more consistent health services Record ongoing annual funding boost for Health NZ to meet cost pressures and start with a clean slate as it replaces fragmented DHB system ($1.8 billion year one, as well as additional $1.3 billion in year ...
Fuel Excise Duty and Road User Charges cut to be extended for two months Half price public transport extended for a further two months New temporary cost of living payment for people earning up to $70,000 who are not eligible to receive the Winter Energy Payment Estimated 2.1 million New ...
A return to surplus in 2024/2025 Unemployment rate projected to remain at record lows Net debt forecast to peak at 19.9 percent of GDP in 2024, lower than Australia, US, UK and Canada Economic growth to hit 4.2 percent in 2023 and average 2.1 percent over the forecast period A ...
Cost of living payment to cushion impact of inflation for 2.1 million Kiwis Record health investment including biggest ever increase to Pharmacâs medicines budget First allocations from Climate Emergency Response Fund contribute to achieving the goals in the first Emissions Reduction Plan Government actions deliver one of the strongest ...
Budget 2022 will help build a high wage, low emissions economy that provides greater economic security, while providing support to households affected by cost of living pressures. Our economy has come through the COVID-19 shock better than almost anywhere else in the world, but other challenges, both long-term and more ...
Health Minister Andrew Little will represent New Zealand at the first in-person World Health Assembly since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, to be held in Geneva, Switzerland, from Sunday 22 â Wednesday 25 May (New Zealand time). âCOVID-19 has affected people all around the world, and health continues to ...
New Zealand is committing to trade only in legally harvested timber with the Forests (Legal Harvest Assurance) Amendment Bill introduced to Parliament today. Under the Bill, timber harvested in New Zealand and overseas, and used in products made here or imported, will have to be verified as being legally harvested. ...
The Government has welcomed the release today of StatsNZ data showing the rate at which New Zealanders died from all causes during the COVID-19 pandemic has been lower than expected. The new StatsNZ figures provide a measure of the overall rate of deaths in New Zealand during the pandemic compared ...
Legislation that will help prevent serious criminal offending at sea, including trafficking of humans, drugs, wildlife and arms, has passed its third reading in Parliament today, Foreign Affairs Nanaia Mahuta announced. âToday is a milestone in allowing us to respond to the increasingly dynamic and complex maritime security environment facing ...
Trade and Export Growth Minister Damien OâConnor is set to travel to Thailand this week to represent New Zealand at the annual APEC Ministers Responsible for Trade (MRT) meeting in Bangkok. âIâm very much looking forward to meeting my trade counterparts at APEC 2022 and building on the achievements we ...
Settlement of the first pay-equity agreement in the health sector is hugely significant, delivering pay rises of thousands of dollars for many hospital administration and clerical workers, Health Minister Andrew Little says. âThere is no place in 21st century Aotearoa New Zealand for 1950s attitudes to work predominantly carried out ...
Health Minister Andrew Little opened a new intensive care space for up to 12 ICU-capable beds at Christchurch Hospital today, funded from the Governmentâs Rapid Hospital Improvement Programme. âIâm pleased to help mark this milestone. This new space will provide additional critical care support for the people of Canterbury and ...
Budget 2022 will continue to deliver on Labourâs commitment to better services and support for mental wellbeing. The upcoming Budget will include a $100-million investment over four years for a specialist mental health and addiction package, including: $27m for community-based crisis services that will deliver a variety of intensive supports ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Phillimore, Executive Director, John Curtin Institute of Public Policy, Curtin University Western Australiaâs promise to be the kingmaker on federal election night has finally been delivered. During the count, the rest of the country saw a slow but steady accumulation ...
RNZ News Joe Hawke â the prominent kaumÄtua and activist who led the long-running Takaparawhau occupation at Aucklandâs Bastion Point in the late 1970s â has died, aged 82. Born in TÄmaki Makaurau in 1940, Joseph Parata Hohepa Hawke of NgÄti WhÄtua ki ĹrÄkei, led his people in their efforts ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Camilla Nelson, Associate Professor in Media, University of Notre Dame Australia Joel Carrett/AAP Women were everywhere and nowhere in the 2022 federal election. The message from the weekendâs vote was that the things that really matter to women and their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Paul Williams, Associate Professor, Griffith University, Griffith University Darren England/AAP Thereâs an ancient observance in Chinese history that an earthquake is an ominous omen of coming political change. When the ground shakes itâs said the heavens are withdrawing an emperorâs ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Melleuish, Professor, School of Humanities and Social Inquiry, University of Wollongong original The most amazing thing about the election was the very low primary vote for the ALP and the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party has lost seats to ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The rout of Scott Morrison goes beyond the defeat of his government. It has left behind a Liberal party that is now a flightless bird. The parliamentary party has had one wing torn asunder, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Duckett, Honorary Enterprise Professor, School of Population and Global Health, and Department of General Practice, The University of Melbourne Laborâs win in Saturdayâs election heralds real change in health policy. Although Labor had a small-target strategy, with limited big spending commitments, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Zareh Ghazarian, Senior Lecturer, School of Social Sciences, Monash University The federal election result is highly problematic for the Liberal Party. Aside from finding itself on the opposition benches for the first time in nine years, the Liberal Party lost support in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emma Lee, Associate Professor, Indigenous Leadership, Swinburne University of Technology Prime Minister Anthony Albaneseâs acceptance speech opened with a generous acknowledgement of Traditional Owners and a full commitment to the Uluru Statement from the Heart. The new government also celebrates the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Skarbek, CEO, Climateworks Centre Mick Tsikas/AAP Public concern over climate change was a clear factor in the election of Australiaâs new Labor government. Incoming Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has committed to action on the issue, declaring on Saturday night: ...
Community Law Centres O Aotearoa is urging the New Zealand Government to prioritise the treatment of Kiwis who have made Australia their home high on the agenda when Prime Minister Ardern meets with freshly-elected Australian Prime Minister Anthony ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Skarbek, CEO, Climateworks Centre Mick Tsikas/AAP Public concern over climate change was a clear factor in the election of Australiaâs new Labor government. Incoming Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has committed to action on the issue, declaring on Saturday night: ...
Australiaâs election, thrusting the ALP and its leader Anthony Albanese back into a governing role, offers the Ardern government a fresh opportunity to blow the cobwebs off the Anzac partnership. During the last years of the Liberal era, the once-strong Trans-Tasman relationship appeared to cool. Australiaâs deportation policy under  the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By James Laurenceson, Director and Professor, Australia-China Relations Institute (ACRI), University of Technology Sydney An Albanese government in Canberra means an improved trajectory in Australia-China relations is a real possibility. Sure, there will be no âre-setâ like we saw in the heady ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Yee-Fui Ng, Associate Professor, Faculty of Law, Monash University The election results are in and Labor has won enough seats to form government, either as a majority or with the support of independents. What will this mean for political integrity? The main ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Susan Harris Rimmer, Professor and Director of the Policy Innovation Hub, Griffith Business School, Griffith University The Australian Labor Party will form government either outright or in a minority government. The ALP has so far gained a small 2.8% two-party preferred national ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The Morrison government has been resoundingly defeated, with Labor headed for office, although whether in a minority or majority was unclear late Saturday night. The election has been a triumph for the teal independents, with ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amy Nethery, Senior Lecturer in Politics and Policy Studies, Deakin University Joel Carrett/AAP One of the most stunning features of the 2022 election has been the challenge from teal independents in Liberal seats. At the close of counting on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne AAP/Lukas Coch With 53% counted at Saturdayâs federal election, the ABC is calling 72 of the 151 House of Representatives seats for Labor, 52 for the Coalition, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Denis Muller, Senior Research Fellow, Centre for Advancing Journalism, The University of Melbourne It really started unravelling for Scott Morrison on All Saints Day, November 1 2021, when French President Emmanuel Macron branded him a liar. Asked by Bevan Shields, who is ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Marija Taflaga, Lecturer, School of Political Science and International Relations, Australian National University It is incredible the government that led Australia through the pandemic with one of the highest vaccination rates, some of the lowest per capita death rates and, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Frank Bongiorno, Professor of History, ANU College of Arts and Social Sciences, Australian National University Wes Mountain/The Conversation, CC BY-ND Laborâs successful bid for government â only its fifth victory from opposition since the first world war â was based ...
Auckland Central Green MP ChlĂśe Swarbrick has revealed an alarming failure by the Department of Conservation to live up to its name and protect native kororÄ (penguins) at PĹŤtiki Bay on Waiheke Island. âDOC was asked to submit on the Kennedy Point ...
Policy failure over the last eight years â including a massive cut to the ABCâs international funding â has weakened Australiaâs voice in the Pacific to its lowest ebb since the Menzies government established the first radio shortwave service across the region more than 80 years ago. Now, with Chinaâs ...
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern early in March insisted there was no cost-of-living âcrisisâ in New Zealand. Now her right-hand man, Grant Robertson, has presented a budget which he proudly claims deals with that very same âcrisisâ, giving away $1 billion in an emergency cost-of-living package. About 2.1 million New Zealanders ...
Podcast - This Budget needed to tackle health and climate while delivering cost-of-living relief. Deputy Political Editor Craig McCulloch assesses the implications. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne AAP/Lukas Coch The federal election is on Saturday. Polls close at 6pm local time; that means 6pm AEST in the eastern states, 6:30pm in SA and the ...
Analysis - It was the government's biggest week of the year with the Budget and the Emissions Reduction Plan coming out, and neither was given much of a welcome, Peter Wilson writes. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ataus Samad, Lecturer, Western Sydney University Mick Tsikas/AAP With the election almost upon us, thoughts are more than ever turned to political survival. While getting pre-selected and winning elections are the initial, difficult challenges of a political career, a major ...
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New Zealand Sothebyâs International Realty managing director Mark Harris is advocating for a stamp duty on foreign buyers of residential property. Following yesterdayâs Budget 2022 announcement, Harris believes that a stamp duty would help increase the ...
And how did the people react to the boost in spending announced in this yearâs Budget to promote our wellbeing? In some cases by pleading for more; in other cases, by grouching they got nothing. But Budget spending is never enough. Two lots of bleating came from the Human Rights ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Hurlimann, Associate Professor in Urban Planning, The University of Melbourne Shutterstock It will be impossible to tackle climate change unless we transform the way we build and plan cities, which are responsible for a staggering 70% of global emissions. ...
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http://www.theaudience.co.nz/the-al1en/the-faeces-of-the-species-1/
Click the link, and vote to get NZonAir funding.
One more day, one more lie, one more smile, one more wave.
Some old joke wants my vote. Aspirational fail.
Did you see on TV? The third world disease on her face.
Unlike me, all you see, are scabs not your first world disgrace.
You’re the faeces of the species, you’re the disease, you’re the plague on the face of that girl.
You’re the hunger, you’re the plunder, all asunder, heaven wonder if there’s oil on the moon (in our bones).
You’re the statistic, optimistic, pessimist e-con-o-mystic, you’re the waste in the space.
Merchant banker, supertanker, deep drill wanker, pull your anchor, just get out of the way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorious.
One more try, one more bribe, one more tea for your friend.
Some old bloke on a rope while they bury his dead.
Did you see on tv? The mould on kids in their bed.
Unlike me, all you see, is dirt and the profits from rent.
You’re the faeces of the species, you’re a disease, you’re a plague on the backs of us all.
You’re the sadistic, little twisted, first world gifted, Mi-pad whiz kid, the foul wind in the sales.
You’re the hunter, you’re the blunder, toxic numbers, six foot under, and you’re the slag of good grace.
Mother cluster, bunker buster, colonel mustard, general custard, just get out of our way.
And we’ll rise. And when we rise up.
We will sing, and we will be glorious.
19 on the daily chart, 304 on the wildcard chart, from two votes.
We’re all lefties here, right? we’re all anti poverty and pro children in need, right?
Two clicks, and you don’t even have to listen to the song to vote.
Pass the link around, and we’ll all have played a part in forcing the issue of child hunger and inept government in NZ in the faces of a head under the cover, not really listening public.
Surely you can see what the songs about, so please click to fight to win.
Click what Alien? I’ve followed the link twice and still can’t figure out how to vote.
Thanks for that, mate.
Underneath the title and band name, there’s an orange ‘vote’ button
Or click or mouse over the Al1en head picture and there’s an orange java vote button.
I’d do a screenshot if I knew how post it.
You can vote everyday until we win.
Viva revolution.
278 on the wildcard chart from 5 votes. đ
I’ve voted now. Thanks for telling us how. I couldn’t work it out either. đ
Funny isn’t it? You put a bright orange button with the word “vote” on it in the middle of a sparsely decorated page…
that’s not where that link takes me.
What do you see? js.
Your facebook page. I have to click on the picture to go further.
I have to to log in using my facebook details to access my profile, but if I log out, return to the site and dismiss the login screen, I always go straight to song page.
I don’t know why you can’t access the page, but I appreciate your efforts in trying.
Thanks.
That’s kind of you, thanks very much.
Sometimes I like a crooked day dream to keep me company at work.
My fave is the song does well using the government’s (ours) money, and the pm handing over an award at the tuis (or whatever they’re called), to a stunt double dressed in an alien suit, with the whole nation knowing it’s about his premiership and him doing sod all to help our children out of poverty, live on TV.
It makes international news reels, and as we know, there’s no such thing as bad, free publicity.
Then my boss comes and wakes me and tells me he’s made my coffee. đ
Daily chart is updated at midnight, wildcard chart by the hour.
So far, 242 with 6 votes.
A famous victory for the left slipping away. đ
Come on.
I voted. But it still asks for some silly flash player, I have never had any trouble playing anything from the net before It would be nice to know what I voted for đ
why wont it play??
I don’t know why it won’t play for you, but cheers for the solidarity.
If you want to hear the track it’s also up at https://soundcloud.com/theal1en/the-faeces-of-the-species
But don’t blame me if you can’t sleep tonight. đ
My respect to all those who have voted.
231 after 7 votes.
You see how easy this could be to win if the just the site stalwarts here gifted a daily vote over the next couple of weeks.
Tell your friends, use the pc at work and home and we could all be having a right old laugh at Teflon john expense.
I don’t want to spam more than I have, and certainly don’t want to wear out my welcome here, so for bearing with me, ta very much.
Actually I think you are ranked 220…
You must have just hit the hourly change over.
Cheers for looking out for me đ
Just in case anybody is still awake and or interested, I’ve made a Dr Evil pic to accompany the vote link if anyone wants it.
Right click, save as, and email away. http://www.al1en.org
And I’m serious, or one million dollars.
Always looking out for you mate. This Viper has your six.
Now lost amongst dead open mikes.
Got up to 7 in the daily chart and 168 on the chart that counts – The wildcard chart.
14 plays and 9 votes.
Not bad for a days revolutioneering. Thanks comrades.
Now please, do it again, and tell a friend. đ
Puff piece in the Herald today on Maggie Barry, written by Audrey Young, headlined ‘Maggie’s Way’.
A Q&A style article. She talks about the insults and bullying nature of parliament and it’s from her point of view all Labour’s fault. Gets politely and super lightly called on insulting and bullying Jacinda Adern, and it turns out it’s all because of Trevor Mallard twitter twatting or something.
Maggie doesn’t do insults or bullying, neither does National, its all Labour and the Greens fault. Of course Young leaves that and moves on to bigger more pressing issues.
Which MP outside your party impresses you?
That’s a hard one. Can I get back to you on that? That’s a really hard one.
Classy, there are good people on both sides of the house doing good work and you can’t even mention one, you f&^*ing work there on committees with these people . Says more about Barry than any of her other answers.
Maggie this may be the zenith of your political career, may your years of seat warming ahead be good for your garden.
This article was so light and fluffy from our hard hitting gallery journo I think the paper floated in from the letterbox this morning on its own.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10858622
“Which MP outside your party impresses you?”
All the Maori party mps, for services to the National party.
John Banks, that he’s still clinging on to his salary, despite everything that says he shouldn’t.
Simon Bridges, for carrying on and making the best of it, despite taking a severe beating with the wanker stick.
And last and very much least, Paula Bennett, for her continued support for NZ tent makers in these troubled times, and popularising the moo moo all over again, even if she does need help to zip it.
Audrey young doing her bit for the party her daddy served and her herald masters.
Maggie Barry is a vacuous nasty piece of work, can’t even shut the f up and learn the ropes. Finally got selected for one of the safest seats as they couldn’t risk her in anything less.
“I personally think that men and men and women and women should be allowed to marry if that’s what they want. Frankly, I don’t quite understand why they want to do it. I’ve never got married in my life.”
She even manages to screw up her pro-marriage equality stance. It’s like a pre-women’s vote man telling a woman ‘I don’t know why you want the right to vote, I’ve never done it’.
Yes Maggie, we shouldn’t marry because you think it’s silly.
Im sure blokes all over the country will be breathing a sigh of relief, dont know why anyone would want to marry her…
Saw the headline, and figured I wanted to keep my breakfast.
No wonder our young are heading to Aussie, if this story is anything to go by.
Headline on the Herald : Student loan debtor: I’m better off in OZ.
In NZ a borrower has to pay back $10.000 a year,across the Tasman it’s only $3.000
Sorry i can’t link the story..
Here’s the link vivaciousviper:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10858618
Thanks for linking Olwyn (:
On the subject of student loan defaulters, I have no idea why the IRD cannot just make an agreement with the tax collection agencies of the UK, USA, Ireland, and Aus to have the student debt recovered through their respective tax systems?
Probably because those countries want nothing to change. At the moment, they get all our educated people improving their economy / society.
Not only would it cost their tax systems to chase kiwis, but it would stem the tide of highly educated people working within their country.
http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/labour-struggles-with-its-direction.html
I wasn’t sure where to post the above. It is a blog by Cactus Kate, primarily abut Karol’s post, ‘State Housing versus Home Ownership’.
I haven’t left a teaser, it’s all pretty interesting.
Am half way through, yes it is interesting, but for the rest of the weekend can we please refer to Cactus Kate as “Cactus Kate”? đ
Sorry? You’ll have to explain.
“Cactus” decided to call Karol “Karol”.
Ahhh. Missed it. Ta.
And as for the delusion that anyone in their right mind would mistake “Cactus Kate” for QoT. And to say the least QoT makes way more sense.
I’m a bit stunned, I agree with almost everything “Cactus Kate” is saying.
It’s possibly an impostor writing. Maybe QoT.
She has paid homage to QoT I notice…..
(as is only fitting).
I don’t know how anyone could really confuse the two though, the writing styles are worlds apart. “Cactus Kate” is just a horrible bogan wrapped in a logical fallacy.
I actually quite like Cactus’s writing. Sure she is a right wing bogan but at least she is an up front bogan and she writes and thinks rationally. Her principles may be different to ours but at least she has some principles. And unlike Key she is exactly who she is. There is not pretension. She is not trying to make out she is something she is not.
I wish more right wingers were like that.
That’s very true micky, and I don’t doubt her sincerity one bit. She’s a straight up honest bastard.
However she does rely on some pretty flimsy logic. For example on RNZ she tried to argue that Matt McCarten shouldn’t criticise the operators of the Pike River mine because he wouldn’t want to run a mine himself.
Also there are times I think a responsible host should hide the keys to her computer…
That is a horrible accusation. I have never been on red radio.
And you’ve misrepresented the comments I did actually make on another station which were in relation to a defamatory comment made by another guest. One who consistently accuses directors of companies of all manner of bad behaviour, so I was merely making a point that it is not as easy and glamorously well remunerated that he may think it is and if it was he should be a mining company director.
Sorry, radio live perhaps?
But yes, that’s precisely the logical fallacy to which I refer. Thanks for restating it.
Should have stood on the ACT list IMO.
What is the world coming to, with Hooton cheer leading for team Shearer, and Cactus Kate arguing (albeit in a nuanced sense) in favour of team Cunliffe. As I read her, she wants to see actual political engagement and a proper battle of ideas, rather than both left and right racing to see who can do the best job of cosseting the middle class. And I have to say, it is a lovely piece of writing.
That’s the difference between Hooten and “Cactus” đ
“it is a lovely piece of writing.”
Maybe I’m just not used to her writing style, but I found myself repeatedly tripping over her use of grammar.
Yes, on re-reading I noticed a couple of grammatical mistakes as well, but her arguments were clearly thought out and hung together well.
Odgers can’t write to save herself. I find her at times close to illiterate. On top of this, no matter how much she tries to dress things up for her audience, her words are invariably littered with a belief that greed is good and spiked with a hatred for anyone she thinks may impede that pursuit. I would’ve loved to have seen her in parliament, getting roasted on a daily basis, away from the safety of her computer screen. Small fish in an even smaller pond.
Maybe concentrate on the subject matter, and add some value into a discussion that way.
Small picture types are one reason this country has become a joke!
Grammar – It’s not going to halt the county’s decline!
+1
Communication is a two way street. If you want to get your point across, grammar can help.
Of all the things to talk about you are all hung up on whinging about grammar and calling me a bogan.
Little wonder Cunliffe cannot gain momentum in a working class party.
His supporters are a bunch of snobby toffs.
Fair cop.
http://paintingthegreyarea.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/literacy-privilege/
This kind of grammar policing, of anyone, really makes me cringe. The style of my writing is often poor and ungrammatical. Yet somehow, I feel entitled to have my say. If I felt insecure about all this, as so many people do, reading these kinds of comments would make me even more reticent about participating in conversations at the Standard.
Looks like you’re hung up on issues with your bad writing, too. There was this, you know:
“On top of this, no matter how much she tries to dress things up for her audience, her words are invariably littered with a belief that greed is good and spiked with a hatred for anyone she thinks may impede that pursuit.”
Who are you replying to, Mary?
I hope you aren’t implying that those who are put off speaking out by comments deriding others for their writing deficits, are just being “oversensitive”.
No, just saying, it’s a response to Cactus Kate Viper who seems to think the focus of comments here is her bad grammar. It’s not.
Have another look at of what I said and see if you can see where the emphasis is.
I’m never too bothered about clumsy or wrong grammar, but “CK’s” summary of my post as:
The silly policy to build homes for middle class kiddies screaming poverty is an excellent example of this Cunliffe v Shearer tension. “Karol” has an excellent post on this and has thought of the conspiracy that capitalism in fact is to blame in forcing this idea that owning your own home is aspirational to all.
…. is just inaccurate, whether as result of clumsy use of words, or just a poor interpretation. I was critical of the political position and policy of the current Labour caucus leadership (Team Shearer really), but I’m pretty sure I never referred to Cunliffe directly or indirectly in my ‘state housing vs home ownership’ post. And “conspiracy” is not what I think of when I am writing about the way the loose networks of the wealthy and powerful operate to further their own interests.
So she doesn’t have much of an idea of what I was thinking, but then maybe the entity that is “karol” is just a quotation, a figment of someone’s (or some group’s) imagination?
You’re being far too charitable, Karol. Anyone who refers to the poor as the “pathetic heaving underclass”, believes beneficiaries should be paid not to “breed” and thinks Slater’s blog has anything to offer other than a window into how nasty the right can get can’t be taken seriously. Just as QoT saw the hook in Fran O’Sullivan’s piece, no matter how hard she tries Odgers cannot help but let her true colours show, even when she posts on The Standard as happened again throughout today. I do not see how some on the Left can place genuine value in anything she says.
There were some points of agreement between my views on home ownership & CK’s, but she went off on her own little tangent about the (allegedly continuing) Cunliffe-Shearer tension.
I’m more curious as to why TS suddenly got so much attention over the last 24 hours or so, from CK, MH, and a Labour MP and an LP policy person. Some things seem to be bubbling away out of my sight. Yes, FO’S was still being pretty right wing, but, also seemed to shift her position somewhat.
I’m wondering if it’s part of a growing sense of uncertainty about changes happening that some political people feel they are losing control of. While some may be just trying to manoeuvre so they’ll be in a relatively favourable position when the dust settles.
And February is approaching fast.
Hi weka, the game is far bigger than February, important as that is. Leaders come and go, MPs come and go, neither Shearer nor Cunliffe will be relevant 10-15 years from now. The real sea change has to happen at the Labour membership and constitutional level. And we’ve only just started.
As I read her, she sees the Shearer/Cunliffe tension as arising from the courting of the middle class by the Shearer people, and the desire for a genuinely left orientation by a lot of left wing people. And she sees the housing policy and your response to it as exemplifying this tension. But I agree that beyond those points, she does go off on her own tangent.
Paying homage to a greater being, self preservation being the aim. That’s the base level she operates on.
I think I’m meant to be hurt that “Cactus Kate” has noticed I get angry sometimes. How very unladylike of me.
(And interestingly *I* don’t get scarequotes on my name, which is nice and revealing about why “Kate” applies them to karol.)
It’s a white flag QoT. CK doesn’t want to get into any debate she is guaranteed to lose and that’s any debate with you.
Take it as a compliment.
Oh, I do. It would be quite a debate though, the epic battle of Chaotic Good vs Chaotic Neutral.
Maye because she knows that Karol wont tell her to Fark off!! đ
The same here. Now I too want to know who wrote that article because it dont look at all like the usual “Cactus Kate” stuff.
Queue some b/s about ck’s post being proof positive that ‘misguided’ types of the left are unwittingly in cahoots with portions of the right and in effect undermining the ‘nice’ Labour Party just as the ‘right’ wants, and how every one counted within the ‘misguided left’ ought now, and once and for all, STFU.
In fact. Haven’t I already read that line somewhere here at ts?
Indeed.
And if you replace “STFU” with “resign the leadership”, you’ll have it in both directions.
Does ‘indeed’ indicate you think that’s a reasonable line to spin, McFlock? The reason I ask is your follow-on, which I guess is attempting to posit the opposite of what I’d call a b/s line. And it’s another b/s line. No-one is calling on DS to resign the leadership. But lots of people are wanting to see democracy really exist within the Labour Party. And, I guess, pressure might be applied to mp’s who’d rather deny democracy in Feb.
Now, you might not agree with that sentiment or goal. Fine. But don’t mis-call it as a call for DS to resign.
Well, I have seen arguments that posit Hooten’s support for shearer is evidence that shearer is not fit to be leader.
If I were to make a similar quibble about your phrasing, I don’t recall seeing anyone here specifically demand that critics of the Labour party should “STFU”.
Fran is off the reservation, calling for the “the top personal tax break” to be cancelled amoungst other heresies: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10858589
Another impostor!
Must have banged Her head on something, Fran is just about demanding a Socialist solution to ‘youth unemployment’ from a Tory Government no less,
Wonder if Slippery lost control of His bowels when He read that lot this morning…
Ah, but if you read carefully, bad, you’ll see that Fran’s concerns are actually about “gaps in the NZ workforce”.
So solving youth unemployment is really just a side effect of her real goal, helping NZ businesses recruit.
Wonder if Slippery lost control of His bowels when He read that lot this morningâŚ
That could lead to an awful mess, considering the lack of toilets on Planet Key.
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Yep things are getting really strange. Chris Trotter thinks the nats have a mandate to sell our assets and the right are calling for tax increases for the wealthy.
What is going on?
Has it ever occurred to any of you lot that most people don’t have a blindly ideological approach to every issue unlike yourselves – that there are good points and bad points to both sides of most given arguments? That most peoples views may shift back and forth somewhat over time?
I guess it is because you lot are in constant battle mode fighting the good war against the forces of evil, you have developed an us vs them mentality – “you are either with us or against us!”.
You are left exasperated an confused when you can’t squeeze someone into one of a few pigeon holes.
Has it ever occurred to you that us lot don’t give one big fat f**k what you ‘think’ and we only tolerate you as an object of mirth to bestow the odd piece of spittle upon when we have run out of jokes about the Prime Minister Slippery’s bad habit of public displays of ‘spastic dancing’…
Yet another good illustration of why the Left is so broken it can’t even grab the ball of a team of drop kicks ie the Nats.
Goran Therborn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ran_Therborn
Neo marxism is dead in the water – who’s suppose to be the Agent of change since the proletariat failed to turn up to the party? Why should anyone believe that knowledge is only ever Historical never Universal?
So tell me KP is unfettered capitalism in a healthy state and just what this world needs?
Has it ever occurred to any of you lot that most people donât have a blindly ideological approach to every issue unlike yourselves â that there are good points and bad points to both sides of most given arguments? That most peoples views may shift back and forth somewhat over time?
Sounds like poststructuralist mumbo-jumbo to me…isn’t that usually your target?
No its not poststructurlist, its Humanist. I believe there is an objective reality and objective universal values about ethics/justice.
Post structuralists/Deconstructionist/various Feminists splinter groups/Neo Marxists/Cultural Relativists/Multiculturalists – they all suffer from hyper relativism and symptoms of solipsism of varying severity.
Makes it hard to pin that lot down as they twist and squirm, grabbing a bit of this and a bit of that to create what can only be described as very bad philosophy.
well, that is where we part ways friend; existence precedes essence; consider the “existence” of people born with profound impairments (at Templeton there were “patients” that resembled sun-fish, to put it politely); consider the “essence” of so-called “schizophrenics”; I have followed your comments over the year, and like mine, there is nothing “objective” about them. (we need new lock-nuts)
You are putting forward an Existential argument, not a Post Modernist one.
Good example again of how the Left is in disarray.
Existentialism enjoyed brief popularity post WWII thanks to a French philosopher or 2. It descended into Nihilism fast and sank out of sight.
ciao
I believe there is an objective reality and objective universal values about ethics/justice.
Interesting statement.
It would be interesting to know where you stand – I’m picking neo-marxist, not that flakey Post Modernist stuff which I think QofT suffers from.
But like I said before you lot dart here and there depending on the direction of fire. Good tactic I guess as its harder to hit a moving target.
Ah, k-p, why so keen to put people in boxes? I do have difficulty following a party line or any one theory – the best still have their weaknesses. It depends on the context and the issue as to which is most useful. I am a little bit neo-Marxist and quite a bit post-structuralist. There are some things in postmodernism I agree with. There is no theory of everything. But I am for democratic socialism, social and economic justice/fairness, and am against violence, prejudice, persecution and oppression.
And I am for evidence-based research, knowledge, understanding and argument.
I do think there is an objectively (scientifically) verifiable material reality. I see objectivity as a process, not an end point. And it doesn’t necessarily cancel out subjectivity, especially when it comes to human activities and communications. Objectivity is haunted by subjectivity, as you demonstrated with that sentence of yours I quoted above. But, that’s the thing about language and human communications.
You seem to miss your own contradictions. “believing” in something is a subjective statement.
Yep. I’d say it’s an odd sort of humanism that fails to recognise that humans interpret reality both subjectively, and through socially constructed lenses.
not that flakey Post Modernist stuff which I think QofT suffers from.
No, please, do go on.
I’ll just be over here having a chuckle that you managed to get from “you stupid lefties just want to pigeonhole everyone” into “I bet you’re a neo-Marxist” in a mere six comments.
”i have never read the book,(Marx),tho i was told to take a look,i lifted my pool hall cue for another game”,
(Thanks to the Clash for the lines which i have gleefully altered with the addition of the Social/economists moniker),
LOLZ, my pidgeon hole is somewhere in the vicinity of Pol Pot, a Communizing Fascist,
Thanks to the good old New Zealand education tho i have the ability to realize that getting KP’s relatives to bang a four inch nail into the back of His head at gun-point just isn’t acceptable human behaviour so good old Post-Modernist,(whatever the fuck that means), me has had to accept simply being a Socialist…
PS, i think it all got lost in the translation for poor old Pol Pot, He thought it meant retribution when He was reading redistribution…
Trotter must have holidayed in one of those Batchs that have 50 year old lumpy couches!
He didn’t get a good rest and over stretched some of the points he was making.
Shearer should front foot the mercenary thing so that it is yesterday’s news by the time the Nats get their research ready for leaking through their usual channels
This is twilight zone stuff…are Right Wing commentators giving Key and English room to launch one or two definitively Left Wing policies? Can their strategy for 2014 be really this cunning? Mix in one or two headline Left Wing policies (top tax rate hike and youth employment/youth training programmes), and use it as cover for austerity and asset sell downs elsewhere?
I wonder if they have found in their polling that a lot of ordinary NZers – including the middle class – are worried that their kids can’t seem to get ahead and that there is a shortage of decent jobs and training opportunities.
Nah, it just won’t happen via a lift in the top tax rate, the Fed crowd would string English up by a very sensitive part of His anatomy in a rotary shed at the very thought of it,
The only invite Slippery would get from now until the little Shyster is given the kick would be from those wishing to have Him behave naturally,(dance like a clown),in their presence while they took pics to show off to the Grand-kids in their dotage,
The Bizness lobby would immediately stop calling, i think that if they are going to spend money on any sort of employment initiative,(or pretend to), the usual suspect will be trotted out, asset sales proceeds will have yet another attachment of ‘youth employment’ attached to it along with the continuously growing list of roading,health,schools,debt, blah blah blah,
Other than that if the Slippery little Shyster has half a brain He will be offering employers a years worth of dole payments as a ‘training allowance’ to actually employ a large number of the 24% of unemployed youth, possibly with a slight hint at a top tax rate rise…
Have people forgotten about the youth changes for 16-17 year olds?
Does one think it’s possible that that was setting the scene for harsher benefit conditions for all youth and more privatisation?
The right taketh more than they giveth so creating an enviornment where it seems that they are taking positive steps to address the issue may simply be a way of saying to people well now there’s no excuse to be on a benefit.
Bootcamps won’t work this time to get that 5% of swinging vote but the strategy surely won’t change – we’re offering this but if you don’t avail yourself of our wonderful opportunity then benefit damnation is yours.
Can their strategy really be this cunning? It sounds eerily like their 2008 me-to strategy. The must be getting a bit of polling feedback telling them to DO something.
This is what I reckon. Also, any PR headline increase in the top personal tax rate can be more than compensated for by drops in corporate and trust tax rates, see how it works đ
http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/labour-struggles-with-its-direction.html?m=1
No, o revered one. I would not read Cactus Kate that way.
While she can be snappy, she never comes across as being anyone’s poodle.
Or they have all finally figured out that the Emperor really has no clothes
may I just pop in here?
I have made this letter longer than usual, only because I have not had time to make it shorter đ
(The last thing on knows when constructing a work is what to put first; continual eloquence is tedious) ;)-Blaise
WHAT WE CAN NEVER KNOW,or the collapsing hermeneutic (there’s your spiral)
-David Germez
“one could in the light of the fact that the divine life is itself a continued variation,,, apply to divinity in the most exalted sense the name of time. The old mythology of Chronos as primordial being and first divine principle seems thereby to be somehow in contact with the truth”
-Franz Bretano :Philosophical Investigations on Space Time and the Continuum.
“All created things are God’s speech. The being of a stone speaks and manifests the same as does my mouth about God: and people understand more by what is done than by what is said”
-Meister Eckhart : The Essential Sermons, Commentaries, Treatises and Defence.
Invasion of the body snatchers. A pod has got her – there’s a reason why they call Mars the “Red Planet”
scaloppine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Screpanti
Let just get this out there. A person in receipt of a benefit, if they earn more than $3,400 are pushed up into the second lowest band of taxation. Key did this because obviously he never read the convention on human rights, that if someone is so in need that they receive a benefit then they cannot be treated differently, that everyone should receive the same amount of welfare. Yet Key believes that progressive taxation should kick on those on welfare!
Looking at it another way. People who earn $100,000 pay 10.5% on the first $14,000 they earn.
People who earn $3,400 pay only at the 10.5% rate. Those in receipt of a welfare
check, and have no income, get the full entitlement, pay no tax on income. But Key in
his infinite stupidity believes that those individuals who do have some paltry $3,400+
of income should not get the full welfare entitlement (as effectively they pay more tax,
pay the 17.5% rate on their measly income after the first $3,400).
Just for a moment imagine the cost of filing tax returns as all those people on welfare
whose taxation just became a complicated mess. Whatever happened to keeping
government taxation simple. But worse, how can government argue that families
on welfare should not get family tax credit when there is clearly income tax
bands for those on welfare. I mean whatever happened to equal treatment in taxation.
You pay a higher rate of tax makes you eligible for the programs its funds to those who
also pay higher rates of tax.
“whatever happened to equal treatment in taxation”, only when the main beneficiaries of such treatment are those at the top of the food chain or those who vote to put them there,
The Working for Families fiasco where the Clark Government deemed the middle class,(and quite high up in that decile), to be more ‘in need’ of relief from taxation than beneficiaries with children was the final straw for me that broke my connection with Labour,
Incidently the ‘loud noise’ us lot at the Standard have been making over housing affordability has obviously attracted the attention of Labour so much so that Annette King has paid a visit and at least aquainted herself with the concerns many of us here have regarding State owned rentals being provided to the decile of lower waged workers so there is a small glimmer of hope of seeing some specific and substantial gains in that area when Labour release it’s completed election policy,(hopefully sooner rather than later),
My view is that the next ‘issue’ that we as the Standard need to address is just that of ‘working for Families’ and just how grossly unfair is it to tax the benefits of welfare dependent children and then refuse to offer them the ‘tax relief’ offered to the children of the upper echelons of the middle class…
The money spent on some of WFF would be better off being spent on a) a universal family benefit, and b) an increase in the state housing stock. The same outcome would be achieved.
Though I agree with the sentiments leveled at Labour, my point was this, that Key introduced a second progressive tax in the middle of the welfare. Imagine for a moment that we pay benefit to help people out of poverty only to tax them more if they do the right thing on welfare!
Save or get some part time work????
But worse, by taxing them on welfare we also don’t pay them WFF, which is blatantly unfair.
But its even worse, the 10.5% tax rate is a farce since its really just a tax relief for the rich, those who don’t get welfare don’t the relief since unlike everyone else the MSD take the first
10.5% tax band when they provide welfare. So the low tax band had no effect except for the
free who live off assets with little income (and can’t claim benefit), those geared to reduce their
taxes using trusts – the super rich.
Merging Madness and Reason (it’s the DSM V season)
“you have never been diagnosed as mad-this is the shifting sand upon which you erect your sanity. Yet, your illness has gone unrecognized…you have been deprived of treatment because the steady, sure advance of science has taken too long to reach you.”
“Beneath the (can’t read my handwriting, some adjective) labels of consensus there is just the homogenous zone-our common origins and physiology bind us together; we are a crowd of open-eyed children staring with wonder at the world. This vast assembly of “thrown” people is the homogenous zone-a coat of many (red) colours”.
“Reason too, recognized itself as being duplicated and dispossessed of itself; it thought itself wise and it was and it was mad; it thought it knew and it knew nothing; it thought itself righteous and it was insane; knowledge led one to the forbidden world when one thought one was being led by it to eternal light.” (thats “progress” for ya’s; Get Ya YaYa’s Out) (those art-school rockers aye)
-Foucault :Mental Illness and Psychology
According to Scheff, relative to the rate of treated “mental illness” the rate of unrecorded residual rule breaking of societal norms is extremely high.
-consider this continual self-absorbed flouting of cell -phone /driving legislation, and it’s on the increase; BodyCount’s in the house.Listen to how close people are to stress thresholds in their daily discourse with children, family, associates, witness the behavioural temperature on the roads, the anasthetization and subsequent harms carried out; that’s why I drank alone in the end; Dos Gusanos was fun though, all those years ago đ (an I’m not surprised productivity is tanking when I observe people ostensibly working yet using their work p.c for shopping and such-like)
“Once upon a time, in some out of the way corner of that universe which is dispersed into numberless twinkling solar systems, there was a star upon which clever beasts invented knowing. That was the most arrogant and mendacious minute of ‘world history’, but nevertheless, it was only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths, the star cooled and congealed and the clever beasts had to die-One might invent such a fable and yet still it would not have adequately illustrated how miserable, how shadowy and transient, how aimless and arbitrary the human intellect looks within nature.
-Friedrich Nietzsche :On Truth and Lies in a Non-Moral Sense
“Madness and sanity are variants of the same phenomena; everything that we see and fear in the madman can also be seen and feared in ourselves. We are all mad children, we are all autistic, we are all deluded, we are all abstract and solipsistic and we all madly cobble together systems of absurd beliefs on this lost planet of fools; perhaps a fundamental truth about our humanity can be found in the instability, ‘throwness’ and madness of the homogenous zone.”
(Baudrillard places his hopes in terrorism, viruses and catastrophe)
i read today of an analysts perspective on FIVE potential Asian Shocks
-Taiwanese Independence asserted by the democratic vote
-Islamic unrest reaching China
-US Defence (Naval) cuts
-Thailand destabilized
-Territorial disputes in E and S China seas (we do live in interesting times)
Exit Strategy
-Why, thou sayest well; I do now remember a saying, “The fool doth think he is wise, yet the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”
-As You Like It (if you are ruled by mind, you are a king, if by body, a slave-Cato)
WHAT WE CAN NEVER KNOW- David Gamez. I whole-heartedly recommend this little book; I read it this afternoon at the library (air-con and I cannot afford to pay my fees, yet;)
HBT-10 more hot dry days forecast, little rain since August, Irrigation Ban on the way, Farmers may ‘dry out’
-if you’re walking a dog, they cannot eat anything they find in or around rivers or ponds, (cyano-bacteria) meanwhile we are going to supply more dairy to another Infant Formula Manufacturer establishing in NI
Dom-The Children’s Commissioner, a HB paediatrician,Russell Wills,, is “incredulous” about child poverty and inequality in our country…
from your friendly neighbourhood “madman” (hyper-rationally and reflexively yours)
now what am I gonna do for a crust. hmmm
11.29 By faith the people passed through the RED Sea, as on dry land, but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. đ
This Isn’t the Petition Response You’re Looking For
đ It’s a Mad Mad World, btw D, I’m gettin “bored” again, don’t wanna write a book, there’s enough been written already, might start an Anarchist Commune ala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin đ
It was Kropotkin’s Conquest of Bread that introduced me to anarchism.
Well, The Standard sure has evolved. That’s all from me, and that’s all from him. (a little birdy messaged me that a “challenge” is a moot point).
Adios Amigos, I’ll watch on from the High Plains from now on. đ đ đ
Don’t go too far away, mon ami đ
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Oh, Clint, you’re back. It read like you were heading off along the ridge and leaving this little village behind.
High Plains Drifter
Great movie.
And The Two Ronnies
This is too much – I really going to miss you.
I assumed your “watch from the High Plains” remark meant that you weren’t going to be actively commenting for the moment, forgive me if I misinterpreted.
No I am going CV, it has been fun, and I have learned a lot (Thank You All and One and All A Good Night)
John James Elijah (Ha, comment 101 ers) đ
Farewell mate, take good care.
Nooooo, don’t go away!
Oh alright, if you must. I can’t force you to stay… but know that I’ve loved your contributions.
Take good care, as CV says. Fare thee well.
Loved your stuff, trooper, a message from Nu-Earth?
“And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.”
Great Clint Eastwood movie!!!
“What is happening at the moment? Because the Falklands are back in the news. Belfast is back in the news. It’s like some sort of hideous 80s revival, isn’t it? All we need is a heartless Conservative prime minister attacking the unemployed and demonising the poor, bankers making obscene profits, David Bowie releasing a single…”–Sandi Toksvig, The News Quiz
mickysavage -> So tell me KP is unfettered capitalism in a healthy state and just what this world needs?
Obviously not. I was never a supporter of neo liberalism, except back in the 80s when I was in my middle teens. But everyone was entranced by it then, Muldoon was gone, the Cold War over, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous was on TV.
This is an interesting piece by a contemporary philosopher I like, applying some Humanist qualities – imagination, intuition, memory, ethics – to the current morass:
“I can only ask: is there a single example in Western civilisation over the past 2500 years when a broad policy of austerity has pulled a civilisation out of crisis and set it on the road to wellbeing, prosperity or growth? No. There is no example. There is no evidence. Only ideological conviction – romanticism – coming out of a political-economic theory packed into an apparently inevitable force called globalisation…
…Crises usually strike when ideologies have been around too long and the elites that serve them have lost their ability for critical thought…
…Instead of retreating inside a received wisdom, which has already revealed that it doesn’t work, we could turn to some basic, helpful human qualities…
…Ethics, for example, are a simple, practical reminder that the primary obligation of a civilisation is to its citizens’ wellbeing, not to the protection of commercial contracts or the servicing of debts. The fact that most of these debts were incurred by the commercial sector and its financiers reinforces this point…
…Memory is an essential tool of education. You can’t deal with a crisis if you are in the hands of economists, managers and business elites who don’t know the history of debt. They don’t know the history of competition. Very few read anything of consequence. They are the briefing paper generation. Many are, in reality, functionally illiterate, except on very narrow topics. They don’t know what has worked and not worked in their own society. In fact, they don’t seem to understand the concept of either society or civilisation…
…As for Imagination, it is not the privileged domain of the arts. Good financial policy is an expression of imagination. Throughout history great financiers and great ministers of finance have usually also been great consumers of culture, intellectuals, men of imagination. I think of Solon in Athens 2600 years ago, of Sully at the side of Henry IV in 1600, of Siegmund Warburg after World War II, of Jean Monet rebuilding Europe. As they would explain: you must imagine your way out of an economic cul de sac, just as a good general imagines his way out of a military stalemate. Bad generals stick to trench warfare…
…History is clear. When faced by unsustainable debts, the fools, the weak, the degenerate civilisations become obsessed by what they owe. They convince themselves that money is real, not an agreed-upon convention. They become its slave. And they destroy themselves. Successful civilisations make these impossible debts disappear – clearly, intentionally, massively. In this way they protect what needs to be protected, such as the savings of real people and their pensions. They clear the decks and the result is raw, new human energy to deal with society’s needs. History is filled with examples of this being done on purpose. It is also filled with the carcasses of those who refused to face reality and so caused their societies to commit suicide.”
http://www.johnralstonsaul.com/eng/articles_detail.php?id=98&lang=eng
Wow, just as I’m signing off, kiwi_prometheus posts a relevant comment đ
postscript
http://philosophynow.org/issues/74/What_We_Can_Never_Know_by_David_Gamez
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Sound familiar?
http://truth-out.org/news/item/13852-latvias-economic-disaster-as-a-neoliberal-success-story-a-model-for-europe-and-the-us
For some reason no reply buttons are showing for Pascal or karol, so here goes:
Pascal -> “Yep. Iâd say itâs an odd sort of humanism that fails to recognise that humans interpret reality both subjectively, and through socially constructed lenses.”
Where did I deny any subjectivity? It’s the post structuralists/post modernists who go the hyper relativistic route.
You end up with crazy feminists calling Newton’s Laws of Physics a ‘rape manual’, and prattling on about “Rape Culture”. Science is dismissed or supposedly ‘improved’ via “Critical Theory” to “Feminist Science” or “Post Modernest Science”.
It’s all very poor philosophy and embodies atrociously low Academic standards.
There are silly things said in all schools.
You don’t necessarily “end up with crazy feminists calling Newtonâs Laws of Physics a ârape manualâ” if you accept a lot of what PM theorists say. And to equate that sort of thing with rape culture’ is just asinine.
Do you think that cultural norms are socially constructed, partially through the way we talk about things? And that cultural norms affect individuals thoughts about behavior and blameworthiness?
If so, then it’s no stretch to say that the way a society talks about rape, will affect the incidence of rape. ie, that some ways of talking about rape could increase the incidence of rape by creating cultural norms that support rapists interpretations of reality.
You end up with crazy feminists calling Newtonâs Laws of Physics a ârape manualâ, and prattling on about âRape Cultureâ. Science is dismissed or supposedly âimprovedâ via âCritical Theoryâ to âFeminist Scienceâ or âPost Modernest Scienceâ.
Oops, k_p’s brain overloaded and it’s back to copy-pasting MRA propaganda which he’s already been informed multiple times is inaccurate. Balance has been restored to the Force.
karol -> “Ah, k-p, why so keen to put people in boxes? ”
Just want to know where you stand is all, nothing wrong with that.
“I do have difficulty following a party line or any one theory â the best still have their weaknesses.”
I don’t follow a part line and I get MOBBED on here for it – especially by your girl pals.
“It depends on the context and the issue as to which is most useful.”
It’s not good enough to go with what is “useful”. Marxism for example is a theory of everything, the guy was a genius obviously, nevertheless his philosophical system crashed and burned. Why should anyone believe you have the intellectual ability to uplift a fragment of it, remove it from context and claim it is “useful” for contemporary application.
“I am a little bit neo-Marxist and quite a bit post-structuralist. There are some things in postmodernism I agree with.”
The main tenet in postmodernism is that language is meaningless. Apparently Focault back tracked from that to the position that the meaning the reader gets from a text may differ from the author’s intention. In which case he hasn’t made any insight that authors and readers haven’t been aware of already.
As for Derrida, he’s been called an intellectual fraudster by some luminary academic types. Anyone who says they have read Derrida is lying, its incomprehensible – worse than Hegel.
The fact that Post-structuralist professors still hand out As Bs and Cs to their students submitted essays suggest the whole exercise is an insider’s joke.
“There is no theory of everything. But I am for democratic socialism, social and economic justice/fairness, and am against violence, prejudice, persecution and oppression.”
“And I am for evidence-based research, knowledge, understanding and argument.”
You are keeping the word “science” out of it. Are you referring to science, if not why not, and to what are you referring, Karol?
“I do think there is an objectively (scientifically) verifiable material reality.”
Ok you do bring up science now. Don’t know how you can claim to believe in science but claim to be “quite a bit post-structuralist”
“I see objectivity as a process, not an end point. And it doesnât necessarily cancel out subjectivity, especially when it comes to human activities and communications. Objectivity is haunted by subjectivity, as you demonstrated with that sentence of yours I quoted above. But, thatâs the thing about language and human communications.”
I never denied that there is subjectivity, it is postmodernist who deny the objective.
“You seem to miss your own contradictions. âbelievingâ in something is a subjective statement.”
Is it? Does it matter? Like I said I don’t deny there is subjectivity eg “Chocolate tastes better than vanilla!” [ proviso – scientist discover genetic basis for varying tastes ]
[lprent: There is no “partY line” – it is every person’s argument for themselves. However there is a moderation line.
Personally I tend to view you as having a problem with dealing with women (what is it with that?) and indeed with anyone who thinks. You have that kind of “I’m just a poor victim” mentality (as you have amply demonstrated in this comment) that makes it difficult for you to deal with anyone disagreeing with you. And to top it off you seem to be a poor excuse for a psuedo-intellectual. Generally a waste of bandwidth and a bit of a luser in social media terms.
But these are just my opinions – they don’t enter into moderation.
Most of the time you pick up bans for either personally attacking authors or peristently going off topic in posts – usually the female authors. Right now you’re on most moderators “watch for stupidity” lists, and includes r0b’s list (about your only NOTABLE acheivement to date). ]
âI am a little bit neo-Marxist and quite a bit post-structuralist. There are some things in postmodernism I agree with.”
To be very blunt and clear, to me you are the typical KIWI IDIOT, I frown on, you have neither any understanding of complex history, socialism, social science, alternative social agendas and even scientifically evidenced social data.
I am totally flabber-ghasted about what brought you here.
Sorry, my impression is, you know too little of what goes down.
My comment was not really directed at the quote “kiwi_prometheus” used re what Karol may have commented on before, it was just totally incoherent, confusing, contradictory and much senseless, what “kiwi_prometheus” commented on in a wider context, also using that particular quote.
I tried to read his truly bizarre comments a few times, and I still cannot make that much sense at all out of what “k_p” tried to say or argue. Sorry for the frustration that lead to anger and some over the top comment I made in return.
You are not even just that “Kiwi idiot” I sometimes dismissably refer to, you are a totally ignorant, one sided coffin slicer of sorts, getting another angle on why some people may have died.
That is the lowest and cheapest crap I ever read and heard, man. Rot in fucking hell for that.
HC
I AM HAPPY TO BE BANNED AFTER SUCH IGNORANT POST AND ME GOING OVER THE TOP. SORRY, I COULD NOT HELP MYSELF. ALL THE BEST.
Have you ever considered that’s because you say really stupid things about girls?
There’s only one thing to say here and it was said by Marx himself:
I don’t know what I am but I know that I’m not a Marxist.
Marx considered that Marxists had twisted his teachings. This can most clearly be seen by his writings on the Paris Commune of 1871 which was anarchist. It was destroyed by military attack from the government.
Yes it does. Opinion and belief cannot change objective fact. This is something that the RWNJs and economists can’t seem to grasp.
“The main tenet in postmodernism is that language is meaningless. Apparently Focault back tracked from that to the position that the meaning the reader gets from a text may differ from the authorâs intention. In which case he hasnât made any insight that authors and readers havenât been aware of already.”
Hi xtasy. This paragraph pretty much sums things up. Every point made here is complete and utter bullshit and incorrect no matter how you look at it. So much so it’s impossible to engage with. I’d tell kp sayonara.
A great experience I had today, or rather yesterday (12.01.) to visit and view the NEW Rainbow Warrior vessel down at Princes Wharf. I am IMPRESSED, Greenpeace got their shit together, had I not been a member of sorts, I would have signed up right way.
I am worried for the ones who do not get it, how much NZ, Australian and Antarctic environmen is in danger! It is damned serious.
I left the vessel in doubt and worry, who is going to keep them alive to fight, I asked, being myself in dire straits.
I can only hope they get donations, manage and do more good, as that is what Greenpeace are here for. I would dread the day they die. I would want to die also.