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Open Mike 12/05/2017

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  1. Ed 1
    12 May 2017 at 6:27 am

    Nikki Kaye wants to see ‘healthy, well-rounded’ students’

    KEY POINTS
    • New Education Minister Nikki Kaye wants kids to be “digitally fluent, healthy and well-rounded” as well as knowing the 3 Rs.
    • Kids’ physical and mental health will be a focus.

    New Education Minister Nikki Kaye wants to see ‘healthy, well-rounded’ students

    Wonder if this means she’ll reinstate healthy food regulations at school that Anne Tolley got rid of in 2009.

    Schools’ healthy food rule scrapped

    Or is this just words as ever from the National Party?

    • Ed 1.1
      12 May 2017 at 6:41 am

      And after she’s spoken to Tolley, a chat with Coleman about funding of mental health services will be needed too.

      Canterbury children’s mental health is deteriorating while they wait for months to access help, advocates say.

      Recent Government figures show more than 450 children aged under 12 waited longer than three weeks for a first mental health appointment in Canterbury last year – equating to almost 60 per cent of those seeking help.

      This was an increase on the previous year’s figures.

      In 2015, 41 per cent of children under 12 needed help waited more than three weeks – a total of 250 children.

      Have you struggled to get help for your child’s mental health? Contact cecile.meier@fairfaxmedia.co.nz

      Child advocates said the wait did not stop at the first appointment – many children waited several months to get treatment after that.

      In 2016, there was a 27 per cent increase in the number of under 12s needing mental health help. Services struggled to keep up, the figures show.

      Child and Family Psychologist and University of Canterbury lecturer Sarah Whitcombe-Dobbs said children waiting to get treatment were “likely to be in considerable distress” and their families “struggling to cope”.

      “Anecdotally in Canterbury, I hear that families are waiting up to six months for receiving treatment after they have had their first appointment because the services are so overwhelmed with need.”

      Mental health problems left untreated in children could affect “all areas of functioning and development”, including academic, social and emotional development.

      Canterbury families ‘struggling to cope’ as children wait ‘months’ for mental health help

      Or is this just words as ever from the National Party?

    • Psycho Milt 1.2
      12 May 2017 at 9:57 am

      Wonder if this means she’ll reinstate healthy food regulations at school that Anne Tolley got rid of in 2009.

      Given that Labour’s “healthy food regulations” were a crock of shit, I certainly hope not.

    • mary_a 1.3
      12 May 2017 at 1:07 pm

      @ Ed (1) … it’s election year, don’t forget! So expect many forked tongue statements to spew forth from Natz, between now and 23 September.

  2. Johan 2
    12 May 2017 at 7:02 am

    Trump’s tinpot dictatorship continues as he fires Sally Yates, Preet Bharara, and this week Comey, head of the FBI. All three were involved in the investigation of possible Russian meddling in the election. Trump will be eager to have the vacant head of the FBI position filled with a reliable yes-man.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/05/10/after-james-comeys-firing-who-will-stop-trumps-tinpot-dictatorship/

    • dv 2.1
      12 May 2017 at 7:37 am

      This gave me a good laugh in stuff this am.

      President Donald Trump blasted ousted FBI chief James Comey as a “showboat” and “grandstander” even as the agency’s acting leader contradicted the president’s account that the agency had been in turmoil before he fired Comey.

      Comeys a showboat!!!!
      Takes one to know one.

      • Anne 2.1.1
        12 May 2017 at 8:38 am

        dv @ 2.1

        Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

        Best example ever…..

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

        • Anne 2.1.1.1
          12 May 2017 at 9:09 am

          Listen to this:

          http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201843559

          Load up the fridge and get ready for a few days of hell fire and brimstone like we’ve rarely seen before. Incredible.

        • David Mac 2.1.1.2
          12 May 2017 at 10:19 am

          This behavior fascinates me. I see it as: ‘Sometimes the words we say are the words we most need to hear ourselves’. I believe it’s something that we are all guilty of to a degree, it manifests in so many situations and forms.

          I catch myself doing it, suggesting someone do something a certain way and then consider, ‘Shheesh, if I’m so smart, why aren’t I doing that then?” I saw someone give 1 of 2 children a light swat on the bum the other day and say “Don’t hit your sister”. Ha! Can a message be any more mixed?

    • Xanthe 2.2
      12 May 2017 at 7:55 am

      Trump’s Proceeds to drain the swamp as he fires Sally Yates, Preet Bharara, and this week Comey, head of the FBI. All three were involved in promoting perception of Russian meddling in the election. Trump will be eager to have the vacant head of the FBI position filled with a reliable competant person.

      Fixed it for ya.

      • joe90 2.2.1
        12 May 2017 at 8:52 am

        But Bernie sez –

        Trump's cabinet, the wealthiest in history, is worth more than the annual GDP of 70 countries. So much for draining the swamp…— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) December 27, 2016

      • Johan 2.2.2
        12 May 2017 at 10:35 am

        To Xanthe,
        For a start try spelling competent correctly!

        Fixed it for ya.

    • ianmac 3.1
      12 May 2017 at 9:31 am

      A great idea. I wonder if it is the glass that has the warranty rather than the photo sensitive cells? Existing panels/cells steadily loose their potency.

      • joe90 3.1.1
        12 May 2017 at 9:56 am

        Musk presentation.

        • David Mac 3.1.1.1
          12 May 2017 at 10:49 am

          There is so much junk on the net. So many oysters, so few pearls. maybe our tastes are aligned Joe but I think you’re pretty good at finding pearls.

          Mr Musk in the sort of high quality ‘All the pizazz’ presentation we used to get from Steve Jobs. I think I like it, it’s interesting. The face of Corporate Green. Big money neoliberal green. Spins my head man but I’m very pleased you stuck it infront of me, thanks.

          Moreso that damn clown from the other day. I’ve watched that clip 5 times. Watching his earlier stuff it’s neat to track the progress of his chosen art form? I can’t decide if it’s very high end cutting edge art or junk. I love it but it’s doing my head in Joe.

        • Molly 3.1.1.2
          12 May 2017 at 11:01 am

          Can already access this in NZ – be useful to see some estimated prices, but at least that option is there.

  4. saveNZ 4
    12 May 2017 at 9:00 am

    BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Massive online ACT Party data breach

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz

    [permanent link added – weka]

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/05/12/breaking-exclusive-massive-online-act-party-data-breach/

    • weka 4.1
      12 May 2017 at 11:12 am

      tricky ethical dilemma for the left. I wonder if Bradbury told them directly or left it to social media.

    • Cinny 4.2
      12 May 2017 at 12:26 pm

      Wow, that’s serious and careless of the one man anti female pay equality party.

      The left would be wise to not publicly exploit such an open door, leave it to the media, media should be reporting this as ACT party members and any names listed in the leak should be made aware that their details are out there for all to see

      The left would also be wise to check their info is secure and read all the ACT party leak info available, insight and information is everything.

      • james 4.2.1
        12 May 2017 at 1:12 pm

        So anyone accessing this – are they any different to when Whale did something similar on the labour website?

        • The decrypter 4.2.1.1
          12 May 2017 at 1:47 pm

          Sounds similar to me on both respective web sites .Fair point james. Cinny does not the old saying ‘What’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander ” approach the type, or style, of logic that should apply here? I believe it should at first glance.

        • McFlock 4.2.1.2
          12 May 2017 at 1:49 pm

          What, when he put a youtube video that looked like him reading instructions someone else gave him, as he showed viewers exactly how to gain unauthorised access?

          Bradbury is a dick, which makes me think that he might not have informed ACT about their vulnerability a couple of hours before he put his post up. That having been said, it’s not like he gave everyone a “privacy violation for dummies” help video.

          I’d give him a B+ if he gave them a heads up, a C- if he didn’t, and an E for slater’s attempt. Graded by ethics and competence.

        • Cinny 4.2.1.3
          12 May 2017 at 1:59 pm

          Fair point.

          But at least TDB appear to be giving ACT a heads up, am pretty sure whale blubber did not offer the same courtesy to Labour in the past.

          Either way some questions should be addressed by Seymour to those affected by his unsecure database.

          Is said data base now secure?

          Have all people in database been contacted by ACT to reassure them?

  5. Rosemary McDonald 5
    12 May 2017 at 10:02 am

    Just heard on Natrad…Kathryn Ryan’s in depth discussion about government backing of polluting salmon farm by forcing change to Regional Plan.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201843586/salmon-stoush-exposes-rma-loophole

    Devotes a rather stunning 30 minutes to this….

    • ianmac 5.1
      12 May 2017 at 11:03 am

      Thanks Rosemary. Very interesting though it would seem that there are shades of stopping ECan so that water actions can be forced through. This seems to be similar in that the District Council influence has been stopped also.
      They kept saying that the Minister would decide but without naming him. It would be the infamous Nick Smith wouldn’t it?

      • ianmac 5.1.1
        12 May 2017 at 11:22 am

        Current Councillors have been very very quiet on the subject of protecting the Marlborough Sounds.
        And “What future the magnificent Marlborough Sounds? ” by ex Councillor Peter Jerram.
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/opinion/92333781/opinion-what-future-the-magnificent-marlborough-sounds

      • mac1 5.1.2
        12 May 2017 at 11:47 am

        With long term connections to Marlborough, I can observe a change regarding local and outside control of the resources of Marlborough.

        When the local authorities were reorganised, Marlborough had its own district council but a regional district council which involved Tasman as well. Our MP of the time, with local support, had Marlborough assume full control of the Regional Authority functions in a unitary authority.

        When the Sounds were being quite adversely affected by the wash of fast ferries, the council did not have the will or the clout to control this. Then I wanted the wider input of a larger authority to be able to take action and also have a wider input, not so easily affected by purely local interests.

        Now, it seems that wider commercial interests are thwarted by local control of significant commercial opportunity which are being denied because the district plan has designated parts of the Sounds as having significant landscape values.

        Consequently, salmon farms are now pushing for changes. Larger government power is being used to affect this, over-riding local processes and values.

        The Sounds have been degraded with commercial exploitation and population pressure- salmon, scallops, commercial and private fishing, forestry, housing.

        The point of this is to point out that commercial interests tend to override local interests, and that control of local resources are also placed where commercial interests can overpower.

        Marlborough is a third world economy within NZ. Its significant industries are largely controlled outside the region, its profits largely go outside the province, its wages are lower than the national average, we import foreign labour to support this situation, we suffer from rental and housing difficulties, and our workers are consistently exploited.

        • Rosemary McDonald 5.1.2.1
          12 May 2017 at 12:36 pm

          “Marlborough is a third world economy within NZ. Its significant industries are largely controlled outside the region, its profits largely go outside the province, its wages are lower than the national average, we import foreign labour to support this situation, we suffer from rental and housing difficulties, and our workers are consistently exploited.”

          When I responded to a shower of ‘NZers are lazy and that’s why we need the foreign labourers.’ comments elsewhere on the web the owner/chief mod stepped in and shut the thread down. Seems it may only become a ‘political discussion’ (and hence attracts a ban on that particular site) when actual facts countering the rightist narrative are presented. Ho hum.

          Thanks mac1 for your commentary on this. Insight from locals are most important.

          It will be interesting to what response from locals if their democratically elected council is overridden by central government.

          • Sacha 5.1.2.1.1
            12 May 2017 at 12:50 pm

            You mean *when* their council is over-ridden – that’s what’s happening with this situation. Smith has meddled in that region’s affairs many times before.

  6. Siobhan 6
    12 May 2017 at 11:02 am

    Maybe the New Zealand Labour Party could take note of Mr Chomsky….and we could all learn a thing or two about the future of Centrism …..

    “In the extended interview, Davis asks Chomsky whether the Labour Party needs to split after the election. He notes the divide between the ‘Thatcher-lite party’ and the ‘Corbyn party’. Chomsky acknowledged that there were divisions. And he asserted:

    These are internal problems to these decaying centrist institutions.

    So according to Chomsky, the notion that the Labour Party can survive as a ‘centrist’ institution is over. It’s essentially dead in the water. But the BBC didn’t broadcast that claim. And it’s not hard to see why. Because the BBC has continuously championed supposedly centrist politicians. It’s apparently a supporter of, and a believer in, such ideals. And it has attacked people like Corbyn, who are attempting to orientate the party in a “democratic socialist” direction; a principle that the party is supposed to be defined by.”

    https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/11/heres-the-moment-from-yesterdays-newsnight-the-bbc-didnt-want-you-to-see-video/

    • ianmac 6.1
      12 May 2017 at 11:07 am

      Some commentators put up scares if our Labour suggests anything socialist
      I think in order to scare Labour into an unwinnable Centrist position.
      eg The demon Union spectre.

    • Rosemary McDonald 6.2
      12 May 2017 at 11:14 am

      Full interview here…

    • Ad 6.3
      12 May 2017 at 12:44 pm

      With 8 weeks to go Corbyn is handing the Conservatives an even bigger majority in Commons.
      And it’s never ever his fault.

    • Bearded Git 6.4
      12 May 2017 at 3:04 pm

      You couldn’t tell me the exact time he says he will support Corbyn could you-I know I should listen to the whole lot but…..

  7. Tui 7
    12 May 2017 at 1:18 pm

    testing.

    ~tui

  8. james 8
    12 May 2017 at 1:39 pm

    Interesting reading for anyone that thinks Labour have a chance in the UK elections.

    Its not looking good for you.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    My prediction is that Labour will do even worse (I guess its possible) after they release their manifesto .

    • The decrypter 8.1
      12 May 2017 at 8:58 pm

      I know its late james ,but I think you should be worried about NZ labours tactical election polls, and campaign. not pomy ones. Bit in the herald now about it , more to follow Sunday.

  9. weka 9
    12 May 2017 at 2:14 pm

    Reason #345 to protect NZ biodiversity. Tuatara aren’t lizards and they’re literally one of a kind,

  10. marty mars 10
    12 May 2017 at 2:22 pm

    okay I’m going to say it

    that nude ‘model’ flashing on Taranaki was disgusting to me – it showed everything wrong with the selfish, self centred idiot types who just are so self absorbed that all they care about is themselves and their publicity.

    For this person to then blop on about that Māori not being indigenous shows what a very dim person this ‘model’ is.

    Hey ‘model’ fuck off will you.

    Every time Māori have to defend views and beliefs – every. fucken. time.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92359296/the-cultural-divide-between-maori-and-pakeha

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/92475284/maori-are-not-indigenous-playmate-reveals

    • Carolyn_nth 10.1
      12 May 2017 at 2:32 pm

      Agree. Posing nude there is just so much sensationalist PR, and not worthy of the location.

      And the associated stuff poll offers 2 views, which ignore the core issue – basically just refers to differing views.

    • Red 10.2
      12 May 2017 at 3:33 pm

      Moari have a right to defend their views and not all Maori think alike, but like religion it does not mean every body has to accept somebody else’s metaphysical belief Drawing a long bow if superstition can dictate what a person can do on a whole bloody mountain when the only offense is to upset some ones belief, and after the event at that, people (all) just need to get over themselves and stop been so easily offended

      • marty mars 10.2.1
        12 May 2017 at 3:51 pm

        that’s the bloody point – it ISN’T just a mountain for many – but whatever – engaging with the tripe you wrote is tedious, unproductive and a waste of my time. Keep believing everyone can do anything whenever their pea sized brain thinks of it and when they come and shit on your sensibilities don’t come moaning to me.

        • Gabby 10.2.1.1
          12 May 2017 at 8:18 pm

          First the Virgin in a Condom, and now this.

          • McFlock 10.2.1.1.1
            12 May 2017 at 8:25 pm

            Yeah, but the Virgin in a Condom was intended to be a dick move (sorry, I meant to type that it was a provocative piece designed to stimulate controversy about the relevance and role of religious thought in the modern age. Or something).

            What’s her face was just looking for social media clicks.

      • joe90 10.2.2
        12 May 2017 at 4:10 pm

        people (all) just need to get over themselves and stop been so easily offended

        Of course, a millennia or two scrapping over the Temple Mount and all the while, people (all) just need[ed] to get over themselves and stop been so easily offended, and everything would’ve been just fucking peachy, too.

        Who knew!.

  11. Red 11
    12 May 2017 at 4:06 pm

    It is just a mountain that is the only fact rock and dirt, was there well before human existence and will be after, anything else is simply a metaphysical, superstitious belief that is also anybodies right to believe but not a right to impose on others lawful liberty

    • marty mars 11.1
      12 May 2017 at 4:16 pm

      nah – you are talking rubbish – take your mechanistic viewpoint and, well, do whatever you like because you’re just a squeaking hinge anyway aren’t you?

    • McFlock 11.2
      12 May 2017 at 4:19 pm

      But nor do people not have a right to point out when someone else is just being a dick.

      Ulhuru does it well, it just has a sign that basically asks people to not be dicks and walk over the rock. Most people aren’t dicks, so they don’t climb the rock. Some people do climb the rock, but there’s a sign there so everyone knows they’re being a dick.

      This woman gets publicity by taking her kit off in strange places. Fair enough. But in some of those places, that’s just placing your publicity-seeking ahead of everyone else’s feelings. Her doubling-down and making the “indiginous” comment was simply more dickish publicity seeking. red, don’t be like her. Don’t be a dick.

      It’s a bit like if I pass a memorial service or meeting, let’s say an ANZAC service or a group of people grieving at the spot someone died. Now, I’m a bit of a dick, so I like swearing, and maybe if I’m drunk I might have done the occasional public urination. Dick move, fair call. But this service might be important to someone. Me taking a piss in the bushes right next to them would be a really dick move. I’m a bit of a dick, but I try not to be a massive dick. It might still be legal if they couldn’t see my dick, but they’d still know what I was doing. I’d be a massive dick. I don’t want to be a massive dick.

      Be like me. Try not to be a massive dick. There’s no law against it, but it’s still a dick move. She’s just a dick, because she likes the publicity she gets by being a dick. Don’t be like her.

      • Red 11.2.1
        12 May 2017 at 4:41 pm

        I get your line of arguement but for a metaphysical belief to control a whole mountain vs some ones freedom of expression is going to far, no matter how silly that freedom of expression is The act is Harmless barring upsetting the Marty snow flakes of the world, who chooses to be offended, which is his right. if it was not reported no one would even no, ie joe public walking up the mountain Starkers tomorrow, that’s the real test of how harmless the act really is

          • McFlock 11.2.1.1.1
            12 May 2017 at 4:55 pm

            damn, that brings it home. Loved the email address.

          • Red 11.2.1.1.2
            12 May 2017 at 4:57 pm

            How far do you take this bill, a memorial structure commemorating a human event that happened vs a metaphysical belef about a whole mountain Not equivalent I would argue on these grounds and we are talking a whole mountain not a small to a degree private space

            • McFlock 11.2.1.1.2.1
              12 May 2017 at 5:31 pm

              it’s a public space with a bunch of concrete blocks.

              Different people have massively different emotional perspectives on it, as the link demonstrated.

              Same with different mountains.

            • Carolyn_nth 11.2.1.1.2.2
              12 May 2017 at 5:58 pm

              So you’re quite happy with people tramping all over our conservation estate, without respect for the environment: happy for people to be posing nude in a public domain in front of a diverse section of the public; happy for free campers pooing and tossing their slops on open countryside, etc, etc.?

              • Red …
                12 May 2017 at 10:04 pm

                sigh!
                Posing nude on a mountain in private is not equivalent to posing nude in public How is been starkers and one with nature tramping all over the conservation estate Freedom campers Pooing all over the place is is health hazard and impinges on other people rights, standing starkers on a mountain alone is like a tree falling in the forrest with no one around, impacts nobody apart from snow flakes looking to be offended

                • Carolyn_nth …
                  13 May 2017 at 10:34 am

                  It wasn’t posing nude in private on a mountain top. It was a photo shoot.

            • weka 11.2.1.1.2.3
              12 May 2017 at 8:12 pm

              The whole metaphysical belief line is a red herring. If any culture has the right to determine its own cultural values, then that applies across the board to all cultures.

              You obviously don’t think that and either believe that some cultures are special and deserve that right but Māori don’t, or that no cultures deserve that so you would be ok for the woman to have posed nude at an ANZAC day dawn service. Either way, as McFlock points out, you’re being a dick.

        • marty mars 11.2.1.2
          12 May 2017 at 5:28 pm

          You’re happy till it all comes up against your values or beliefs red then you’ll weep and teeth gnash about how wrong it all is. You big freedom bods always do.

          • weka 11.2.1.2.1
            12 May 2017 at 8:15 pm

            that’s the one.

          • Red 11.2.1.2.2
            12 May 2017 at 9:48 pm

            Nup not at all, live and let live It’s a mountain volcano, if some one wants to go starkers up there more fool them, if some one gets upset because they think it offends the mountain and some how that offends them, well good on them but does not mean I have to take such offense seriously or rediculous equavalence been used to justify as such, think about it logically rather than emotionally , again the left pushes science and rationality to it suits them until it clashes with their primitive left ideology and identity politics

            • marty mars 11.2.1.2.2.1
              12 May 2017 at 10:04 pm

              So basically you’re good? No issue. Starkers okay, getting upset okay. But somehow youve got offended because… the example used made you think you much?

              • Red …
                12 May 2017 at 10:08 pm

                Struggling with your meaning Marty, its s bit of a mumble ( it is Friday) , but I sort of get your gist, I am not offended at any one just challenging the fact that some people been offended by this action has any merit

            • McFlock 11.2.1.2.2.2
              12 May 2017 at 10:09 pm

              So your position has changed from you boldly fighting tyranny with comments like “not a right to impose on others lawful liberty”, to you simply refusing to take other peoples’ beliefs and offense seriously.

              I mean, nobody’s saying you have to share those beliefs, but you don’t have to be a completely inconsiderate dick about it, either.

      • David Mac 11.2.2
        13 May 2017 at 8:53 am

        I’ve seen the ‘Don’t make a dick of yourself’ theory work at Cable Bay in Northland. A young guy was lost diving for kaimoana on a rocky point/reef.

        There was one simple cardboard and felt pen sign pinned up under the council info for the beach, dog rules, rubbish rules, camping rules, lighting fire rules etc. All those other guidelines we follow.

        The Rangitira from the boy’s Iwi declared a rahui on the beach for a number of days. The Iwi had no rights to block access. The tribe’s wishes were respected en masse. The occasional van full of Germans needed the circumstances pointed out to them, they were free to make their own choice. By and large they were fascinated by the custom, wanted to know more and moved on to have a swim somewhere else in the 40 kms of bays and beaches.

        I believe it enjoyed popular support. It prompted people to keep an eye open for the still missing corpse, it prompted people to find out something of the missing boy and the custom. Giving up access to Cable Bay for a week seemed a small price to pay. I’m not sure how the call would of gone down if the Rangitira had called for a 10 year Rahui. I think all parties were well served. A harmonious compromise as opposed to “I own this”

    • marty mars 11.3
      12 May 2017 at 4:21 pm

      try this one red – I did a mindfulness exercise yesterday – write for 3 minutes or just think about it from this statement, “I know… ”

      When I did it I realised that most of what I know has been taught or gleaned from others and even the stuff that comes directly into my brain via the senses is 2nd or 3rd hand electrontrickery – what actually do you KNOW red?

      • Red 11.3.1
        12 May 2017 at 4:34 pm

        Ranting now Marty, settle

        • adam 11.3.1.1
          12 May 2017 at 5:30 pm

          “people (all) just need to get over themselves and stop been so easily offended”

          The irony is dripping at this point….

        • marty mars 11.3.1.2
          12 May 2017 at 5:30 pm

          Yep i overestimated again.

          • In Vino 11.3.1.2.1
            12 May 2017 at 8:12 pm

            I hate to nit-pick, but this is for such a troll… “It is just a mountain that is the only fact rock and dirt, was there well before human existence and will be after, …”
            That may be true for some ancient alps like the Himalayas, but Egmont (Mt Taranaki) is a volcano, and quite possibly did not exist prior to the existence of humans.
            I’m calling you out for your typical bullshit, Red. Do some research, and prove that statement you so boldly made. Prove that Mt Tarnaki’s existence predates the existence of the human species. I accuse you of being wrong – yet again.

            • In Vino 11.3.1.2.1.1
              12 May 2017 at 9:00 pm

              And by pretending that the mountain predates all humans, Red seeks to belittle the cultural values of all humans – not just Maori. Fallacious and feeble, Red.

            • Red 11.3.1.2.1.2
              12 May 2017 at 9:38 pm

              125000 years old http://www.teara.govt.co so does not predate Homo sapiens, but does human existence in nz by only 124200 years

              • In Vino …
                12 May 2017 at 10:54 pm

                Human existence in NZ is utterly irrelevant to your silly first assertion, by which you sought to belittle human cultural concerns – especially the ones you don’t like.

    • mauī 11.4
      12 May 2017 at 5:13 pm

      Might want to check your own superstitious belief system first like why don’t you cross the centerline on the road, go to the toilet in the bushes, only drive if there’s a plastic label on your windscreen.

    • Wainwright 11.5
      12 May 2017 at 6:28 pm

      Entire concpet of ‘liberty’ is metaphysical nonsense mate.

      • weka 11.5.1
        12 May 2017 at 8:17 pm

        😀

      • Red 11.5.2
        12 May 2017 at 9:39 pm

        Yes by the primitive left

        • Draco T Bastard 11.5.2.1
          13 May 2017 at 1:51 am

          It’s not the Left that’s primitive but the RWNJs.

          It’s the Right-wing that call for:

          1. Punishing the poor for being poor
          2. Putting more people in prison despite prison actually making things worse
          3. War
          4. Cutting taxes because of their greed despite the damage both cutting taxes and greed does to society
          5. Cutting health spending – especially in mental health
          6. Profits before people, society and the environment

          And the list goes on.

      • Draco T Bastard 11.5.3
        12 May 2017 at 11:34 pm

        Nobody has the right to affect others without those others permission.

        Everything you do affects others.

        Your liberty of always limited because of this. To say otherwise is to declare that you have the right to oppress others.

        • Red 11.5.3.1
          13 May 2017 at 10:23 am

          WTF are you on about stick to topic, re raising straw men , ad hominem and red herring arguements. You choose to be offended, it’s not imposed on you, no one has a right not to be offended by someone words or actions that are not illegal You of course have the right to disagree and counter with a more meritorious arguement or action , something that has been very lacking here on this thread

          • Draco T Bastard 11.5.3.1.1
            13 May 2017 at 10:29 am

            Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it’s right.

            • Red 11.5.3.1.1.1
              13 May 2017 at 1:49 pm

              Forget legal you don’t have a snow flake right to not be offended no matter how you want to twist it

              • Draco T Bastard …
                13 May 2017 at 2:33 pm

                You know what?

                You’re becoming ever more incomprehensible with each comment.

                • Red …
                  14 May 2017 at 12:21 am

                  I find that comment offensive , please stop, do you get it now, if not we mywell stop here as I suggest you are incapable of reason

                  [lprent: Reading that comment thread, I’d strongly suggest that if you want to continue commenting on this site, then you’d better either get used to being offended as people respond to you. Basically you look like you are a idiot parrot with a phrasebook babbling crap. I have no idea if that is because that is who you are – ie because you are too stupid to say something sensible. Or if you are taking the piss (in one of several possible ways).

                  In any case, my scan through this thread indicates that you just look like a dumb troll. I don’t like trolls, and I have a standing policy of being extremely offensive to them as way of improving online behaviour. If you persist in acting like a troll, then you will discover who sets the rules about behaviour on this site. I will give you a hint – it isn’t you. Read the policy to find out what happens in reality. ]

  12. joe90 12
    12 May 2017 at 4:42 pm

    Consequences, but hey, free speech.

    .
    /

    One of four Muslim women targeted in four successive and unprovoked Islamophobic attacks on Wednesday said she was randomly punched in the face as she walked through the city wearing her headphones.

    Maria Claudia Gimenez Wilson, a 39-year-old journalism student from Paraguay, is charged with assaulting the four women, aged 18-23, as they walked along busy roads near UTS in Ultimo on Wednesday afternoon.

    […]

    A report by a Justice Health nurse said that Ms Wilson had schizoaffective disorder and “appears to be suffering persecutory beliefs”.

    Ms Wilson, whose Facebook profile is littered with far right-wing and anti-Islamic material, interrupted proceedings to say that she was not unwell.

    “The only thing I did was to take a bull cut [sic] to a Muslim lady,” she said. “I don’t see any problem with that.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/four-muslim-women-punched-in-the-face-in-islamophobia-attacks-near-uts-ultimo-20170511-gw2pvy.html

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