Open mike 12/10/2012

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  1. karol 1

    Good on Harawira, for getting out their and protesting with courageous people.  And for drawing attention to this travesty that is the doing away with state houses!  And even more courageous was the people who got up on the roofs of state houses being removed last night.  
     

    Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has been arrested in a protest over the removal of state houses in Glen Innes, Auckland.
    The Mana Party said that about 11.30pm police smashed the back window of a vehicle Harawira had  parked over the driveway of a state house being removed.
    More than 150 state houses are being removed from the area as part of a Housing New Zealand redevelopment programme. 

    Go Hone!  Power to the people!
     
    “Redevelopment?”  What does that mean?  Privatisation?

    • karol 1.1

      There’s pictures and a statement about the arrest and housing issue on Mana’s site:
       

      “Hone has been involved for some time standing alongside a community that is against the government acting on behalf of private developers that want to rip the heart out of their community. The Minister of Housing, Phil Heatley, needs to realise that this community will not take their homes being forcibly removed for profit, lying down. The situation continues to escalate as more and more people join the call to stop a government that is dancing to the tune of greedy property developers. The government is simply adding stress to the lives of people who are already struggling to make ends meet”.

       
      As i suspected, it is about privatisation of state housing.

      • David H 1.1.1

        More I think it’s about Location, Location, Location. These houses were pretty much the last state houses in Glen Innes with million dollar views so someone’s going to make a killing.

        Damn I’m glad I live in Levin. lol

    • Vicky32 1.2

      Redevelopment?”  What does that mean?  Privatisation?

      Privatisation almost certainly!

    • Murray Olsen 1.3

      Hone: Those people on the roof fighting the destruction of the community are heroes.
      Shearer: Of course it’s not fair that those people are on the roof.
      Conspiracy theorist: People on the roof break all the rules of physics.
      NAct member: They’re bloody lucky to have roofs. The wealth creators need this land to make more jobs and the government will be giving them 90% subsidies for the first mansion on each property, in recognition of how much we all owe them for the sacrifices they have made on our behalf.
      In short, Kia Kaha Hone and Mana. If it were physically possible, I’d be there too.

  2. North 2

    Yeah, there is a war on the poor and lashback is justified and necessary. Kia Ora Hone !

  3. muzza 3

    Explosion of oil exploration in Taranaki

    Close to 100 oil and gas wells are likely to be drilled in Taranaki over the next two years as exploration activity ramps up to its busiest in the region’s history.

    The activity is likely to be so busy that at least eight onshore and up to four offshore rigs may be drilling simultaneously during the summer of 2013 and 2014.

    Already there are seven onshore rigs in Taranaki and six of them are involved in drilling campaigns now taking place throughout the region.

    In addition there are another two land rigs currently drilling off the Maui A and B gas production platforms offshore.

    Forgetting the hidious article title, and conent of it, we is gonna be rich, rich I tell ya!!!

    • Sanctuary 3.1

      Let’s assume we hit a Saudi-sized gusher somewhere offshore – a real 80 billion barrell bonanza. Given global warming, and the environmental impact of a possible spill should we have a long and substantial debate before we decide to pump it, or should we just say OMG WE ARE RICH!!! RICHER THAN SAUDI ARABIA!!!??

      (assuming the United States would allow to have such a debate; Any sign of a decision not to pump would certainly see an attempt to get our army to stage a coup and if that didn’t work they’d probably just make up an excuse to attack us and take it)

    • marsman 3.2

      It’ll be the oil companies that would be rich, NZ would only get a small percent of that unless we decide that the people of NZ are more important than overseas corporations.

  4. freedom 4

    http://rt.com/usa/news/refusing-grand-jury-plante-196/
    spot the really interesting bit to win a chocolate fish*

    *fish may not be a fish or chocolate and may contain traces of peanuts

    • ianmac 4.1

      Hang on freedom. This cannot be in the USA, Land of the Free – can it? And isn’t there recent legislation in NZ which also makes it an offence to remain silent. George Orwell is an omnipotent rascal.

      • vto 4.1.1

        Well you know, there aint much difference between the rallies of Romney – all flags and bunting and cheering by thousands and thousands of adoring fans – and 1920’s Germany.

        And the actions of each of the governments is becoming all very similar too.

        It is ice-like chilling. It is real.

        And Godwin can go fuck himself.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1

          And Godwin can go fuck himself.

          Despite what some people would like to think, crying Godwin doesn’t negate the comparison.

        • TheContrarian 4.1.1.2

          “Well you know, there aint much difference between the rallies of Romney – all flags and bunting and cheering by thousands and thousands of adoring fans – and 1920′s Germany.”

          The rallies of Obama are by and large exactly the same.

      • freedom 4.1.2

        Yes that is interesting isn’t it ianmac, but there is an even more interesting bit

        • ianmac 4.1.2.1

          Cannot find it freedom so I will have to forgo that chocolate fish. Anyone?

          • freedom 4.1.2.1.1

            Being put before a grand jury that was established two months before the offense occured. Leads to the clear presentation of a motivated administration attacking freedoms

    • Bill 4.2

      Don’t know about the interesting ‘bit’. My thoughts immediately went to the 2007 raids in Wellington, Christchurch, Taupo etc and the idea that someone being a self proclamed anarchist of some stripe or other was in and of itself worthy of them being subjected to raids and possible trial.

  5. marsman 5

    Good to see Paula Bennett’s pathetic White Paper turned against her. From the mid-day news, when it was all about Bennett telling us how wonderful she is having crafted her White-wash Paper, to the evening news where it was all about the Opposition telling us that the White Paper is just a lot of cobblers and Bennett bleating ‘I’ve put everything I’ve got into that’…. yeah that’d be right.

    • aerobubble 5.1

      Yeah, pretty basic stuff, if you go home with little in your pocket, while men like Key swim in money turning up at their kids baseball game, etc, and your kids look at you like your a loser…

      Greed drives disparity, disparity lowers status for so many (many Maori) and child abuse
      results. If we’re all poor then there’s no loss of self-worth, all in the same boat….etc.

      As wages of ceo’s still rise, and now is 50x??? the average wage. Please, who could not
      understand that child abuse has everything to do with poverty.

  6. Blue 6

    The Aussie media having a rare moment of self-awareness at how their ferocious slamming of Julia Gillard’s takedown of Tony Abbott was totally at odds with what the public thought:

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/gillards-fiery-retort-did-the-mainstream-media-get-it-wrong-20121011-27eqg.html

  7. Hone Harawira is a political user. Make no mistake.

    He is not an activist, he is not a political prisoner.

    He is not a hero to the people, he doesn’t fight for rights.

    Hone Harawira is a racist and a law breaker.

    Now he’s trying to destroy some Police officer’s careers.

    Make no mistake the Police were just doing their jobs.

    Of course though, Hone’s friends in the media will turn
    this into something it anit.

    When he got arrested last night for blocking the Police,
    he deserved it.

    It was the typical, left wing protest, John Minto was there
    screaming about police brutality.

    Do guys like John Minto and Hone Harawira ever think about the
    harm they’re doing to the Policemen and Policewoman who
    are just doing their jobs? Or the fact that their lies
    and hate could lead to violence against the Police?

    Of course not, all they have ever thought about is
    their own ideology and personal gain.

    Too bad the NewZealand media wont paint it that way,
    or that their supporters will continue their hate protests
    against the Police.

    Here’s hoping Justice will be dealt to the likes
    of John Minto and Hone Harawiri.

    I anit holding my breath though.

    • The Gnats’ quite happily use the Police too enforce their policies.

      As for the demonstrators, any opinion expressed about positively progressing NZ in a non violent way is a worthy opinion.

    • framu 7.2

      aww brett

      youve been away so long – now your back

      and in one comment youve shown that the more things change the more you stay the same

    • prism 7.3

      BrettD
      Great presentation. Gives your drivel gravitas.
      John Minto has got more guts, integrity and value in his little finger than the whole of your sour twisted self. Hone annoys you by speaking up about things you can’t be bothered with, and his fault is thinking that he has as much right as you to raise his opinions. A very annoying trait in people considered to be lower level than yourself.

    • Dr Terry 7.4

      BD – are you just trying to be funny? Surely you would not expect intelligent people to take this trash seriously?

    • Draco T Bastard 7.5

      I think you’ll find close down all protests isn’t in the police job description. You will find, though, that protesting happens to be legal. This would indicate that the police were going above and beyond the call of duty.

    • Murray Olsen 7.6

      Aw Brett, you sound like a property developer missing out on a few hundred grand while you wait for the government to clear that prime land that a few undeserving poor happen to call home. If you’re not, you’re even sadder. Please hold your breath; it’s the only good idea amongst your drivel of a post.

  8. captain hook 8

    I wish you would.

  9. joe90 9

    At 18 minutes the awful Leslie Max, with an assist by Hill Cone, bags social workers and Chris Trotter responds.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2535260/the-panel-with-deborah-hill-cone-and-chris-trotter-part-1.asx

    • ianmac 9.1

      Yep Joe. Listened to that yesterday and wondered if Leslie Max knew just whose side she was on. Poor kids.

    • fatty 9.2

      I heard that too…it pissed me off so much that I sent her an email. For some reason she replied, which gave me an opportunity to send her another.
      Its a shame that someone like her who has the opportunity to make a real difference would rather bag social workers…she also claimed that Paula Burden is doing a great job. Lesley Max appears to enjoy creating poverty, and then blame the victims. What a weirdo. No wonder she is a Dame
      At least Trotter had a go at her.
      What she said about social workers was not just wrong…it was sadistic and repulsive. I’m surprised she appears to have gotten away with it

  10. vto 10

    Love the ongoing Big Bird saga in the US election and in particular the line …

    “Get Wall Street, not Sesame Street”.

    This highlights exactly the republicans there and the nats here. The focus is obscenely arse-about.

    • idlegus 10.1

      have you seen that brilliant film “inside job”? obama did nothing about wall st when he got in, its the same greedy morons running the show.

  11. lprent 11

    Apparently Cameron Slater managed to get into the adserver at scoop that services this site and put an ad up on our site. http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/10/scoops-open-source-adserver/

    Scoop have now locked down their site, and I’ve flushed our cached data (probably needlessly). It shouldn’t show up again.

    Contrary to Cameron Slater’s lousy legal opinions – this is hacking as defined under the acts. For this site, while it wouldn’t have provided any access to our server, it is in fact theft of valuable advertising space on our site and at least a breach of privacy for our readers.

    Anyone clicking through would have given their machine and browser details to at least the logging system on whaleoil. The server hosting the image (probably whaleoil) would have had logging of whoever saw the ad. It is notable that he hasn’t excluded this in his post.

    Depending on what code was pushed into the frame, then potentially information could have been extracted from client machines. It really depends on how much you trust Cameron Slater and his denials. Potentially if you saw the ad it may have provided access to your systems.

    If you are worried about it then you can complain to the police because Cameron may have illegally accessed your system. And you may also complain to the privacy commission that he may have illegally collected information about you without permission. Have a look at this (first look on google – about half way down)

    http://www.simpsongrierson.com/ezine-august-2011/

    Scoop have apologized for the security breach

    I stopped doing this type of stuff decades ago when they started putting legal restrictions in for it. I’m now having a think about what our response should be for it. But since I’m not allowed to have fun with the hacking, I think I may have some fun with using the legal system on Cameron instead.

    Perhaps the lawyers around could point out the relevant sections legislation. I’m rather busy for today getting a release build done otehrwise I’d do it myself.

    • Because there is little to no precedent in NZ for this, perhaps it’s a worthy thing.

      I’m sure the Police would love a chance too investigate it, they really need a counterpart to the GCSB and its ilk.

      And a request from you would help them get an investigation underway, so I say u should go for it.

    • Jackal 11.2

      LPrent

      It really depends on how much you trust Cameron Slater and his denials.

      Not at all… I have been meaning to raise this topic for a while; I’ve noticed that interruptions to many of the sites I frequent occur after visiting WhaleOilBeefHooked, and I’m still suspicious that both Slater and Farrar are illegally installing LSO cookies into my system to inhibit me from viewing their competition. Have you found any similar hacks on your systems?

      I stopped doing this type of stuff decades ago when they started putting legal restrictions in for it.

      Me to, except years and not decades… However I believe in an even playing field and if the authorities are not willing to act to enforce the law, then I will feel obliged to ensure there is an even playing field by using some the same tactics. Don’t ever say I never warned the rightwing blogosphere.

    • Murray Olsen 11.3

      Go for it. I’d love to see slob boy get convicted and lose his firearms licence as well. I have no idea how he can be allowed guns when he continually puts up threads about shooting people and his knuckle dragging keyboard warriors join in. If you need money for costs, I’ll happily contribute.

  12. At the beginning of the week Russell Norman announced a new policy ofquantitative easing – printing more money so the government can sell bonds for the recovery of Christchurch.

    On the surface this would all seem to be quite reasonable and even laudible. Help the exporters through a debased currency and restore growth.

    Almost worthy of the Labour Party.

    And now today we see in the leftist the Standard this sort of tripe (under the heading of “Reseach-based opinions”):

    [deleted]

    link: http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/the-nz-green-party.html

    [lprent: Robin, the policy around here is that thou shall not simply cut-n-paste into comments. What comments are for is for peoples opinions made here. If they are made elsewhere then link to them because people know how to click links and will do so if you make them interesting enough.

    We have no real objection to some link-whoring, provided that it is relevant to the post. But ideally that should be a link, you stating why you think people should click the link, and just some shortish quotes. This is explained in our policy. It means that people have enough information on if they want to press the link.

    I cut your quote down to size, blockquoted it and put in a link off google. ]

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      The trouble with QE is a policy that benefits first and foremost the banks who are the ones most responsible for the deep debt crisis the world finds itself in.

      The banks can print more money which they can lend to the government at interest.

      Solve debt with more debt.

      In the US they ran QE in order to benefit the private banks (the 20 or so Primary Dealers especially).

      In NZ it could be done very simply and differently, in the vein of Steve Keen’s “QE for the public”. The Reserve Bank credits KiwiBank’s operating account with $880M.

      Every citizen in NZ gets a KiwiBank savings account; new ones are opened if someone does not have one.

      $200 is deposited in each account.

    • Draco T Bastard 12.2

      Simple, don’t run QE for the banks. Run it for the people. Do what I say here and the banks will have their profits cut while the people will be better off.

      • aerobubble 12.2.1

        Why QE? Because the world economy has stalled, banks won’t lend money. Why?
        End of Cheap Oil means much of the investment would be highly risky, accentuating
        existing paradigms of heavy energy use. So the market needs the shock of hard
        times to redirect itself to new avenues. e.g. using a bicycle and selling the car.
        But money is the economic lubricator, and people actually need more money to
        change their lifestyles, retool so to speak. And therein lies the problem, the
        money is in all the wrong places, the extreme wealthy are sitting on it, the
        banks aren’t lending it, and the populace are getting wiser every day that
        the status quo is harmful to them. People are king in our economic system.
        Banks will start lending when there’s confidence they get a return, or can
        write off the losses. But wait! Most people are heavily in debt, we all went on
        credit binges off second mortgages (or something).

  13. Pete 14

    Party leaders to run independent job crisis inquiry

    Winston Peters, Russel Norman and David Shearer working together over the next few months. If this triumverate can work well together, I think we can see the shape of the next government.

  14. Draco T Bastard 15

    And now it appears that the US is claiming global legal jurisdiction.

    The US has just asserted universal jurisdiction over every corporation in the world, on the grounds that those not doing business in the US are “purposefully” evading US jurisdiction. Yes, really:

    Can’t see such a ruling having any legal basis but I don’t expect it to be over ruled. This tells every other nation that if they don’t do what the US wants then the US will do it anyway.

    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      This tells every other nation that if they don’t do what the US wants then the US will do it anyway.

      So, the status quo pretty much.

    • Bill 15.2

      It’s global jurisdiction on the basis that “.com” and “.org” (or is it “.net”?) are owned or located by or in the US and therefore any illegality involving those suffixes takes place within US jurisdiction.

      That’s the argument they have succesfully used to secure the extradition UK and other citizens to answer copyright charges.

      • Colonial Viper 15.2.1

        Like writing a death threat on US made office paper makes you liable for prosecution in the USA

  15. lprent 16

    Testing the re-edit

    Worked on on Chrome/Linux

  16. Jokerman 17

    P.S.
    Here’s a ” heads up” for you all, though I am sure the “wise” already Know;

    I have been consistently, though subtly, “shepherded” both online, and in the real world, since I began commenting on this “blog” almost a year ago.

    You might speculate whom (I have my thoughts), however, in the remote universe that “they” might have something as interesting for me to do as Ministry, I shall say no more.

    However, it appears that they prefer a House Divided, and they utilise some rudimentary human behaviour principles in perpetuating those ends ( along with a little vouchered surveillance )

    Interesting, “The Dark Arts” indeed.(once, happenstance; twice coincidence, thrice…..)

    once again, thanks to Draco, Viper et al, and the gals (and Uknow who)

    now, off lookin for a Hard Headed Woman.

    🙂

  17. Draco T Bastard 18

    West is portraying Russia as the villain siding with Assad, the butcher

    This is crazy, I have no idea what the thinking is behinds this; rather than to try to intimidate everyone, involve everyone on the other side of this adventure in Syria to either back off, or we’re going to take this to the max. This is the signal Washington is trying to send, because Turkey isn’t doing it without an ‘okay’ from Washington. And it is frightening actually how aggressively they’re playing at this point, especially a couple of weeks before the election. Usually they’re trying to keep this stuff toned down before the election, and saving it for after the election, so I hope the worst isn’t coming after November 6th.

    This could be the path that the US is preparing for an invasion of Iran. An attack on Turkey from Syria (possibly a false flag event) brings in NATO then Iran gets accused of supplying weapons to Syria which then gives the US an excuse to attack Iran. The problem, of course, is that that could conceivably bring in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation which has close ties to Iran especially when stunts like this are being pulled against Russian civilian aircraft.

    All indications are that the US wants a major war. The scary thing is that they don’t seem to care who with.

  18. prism 19

    The Prime Minister says he can’t be expected to remember every joke he makes when he is entertaining thousands of people a week. That is how I heard it from Radionz. Entertaining – says it all about his view of his position and role.

    • Exactly, One wonders how many “Jokes” he came up with about the citizens of Aoteoroa.

      He should have had them added to all those contracts he Bleedin signed!.
      (Most would be along the lines of “I doubt Vey’ll even Notiff 8-o”)

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