Given Paul usually starts the day with providing “dire news”, from the MSM that he dislikes (paradox), I thought I would start the day with something more interesting;
Posting about the kardashians seems pretty dicky to me … go waste you’re own time
Or was it just an excuse for a tory dick pic to spurt out an unpleasant comment about Paul ….
If you would like to talk about something relevant to New Zealand ….
I’m interested to know if you think Key was being cheeky and having a private laugh when he was reported as extolling New Zealanders to be more charitable and generous like u.s.a citizens??? …..
he was saying things like ………” develop an American-style culture of giving.” ……”like to see New Zealanders become more like Americans, who give twice as much”
And he did this after their charity and bailout to him for $5 million?, $10 million?, $15 million ? ( we are not sure of the exact amount yet ) went through …. January 2009 it was all finalized
“Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America for 0.8595 shares of Bank of America common stock for each Merrill Lynch common share”
“lousy deal for Bank of America and its shareholders. On January16, the bank’s stock closed around $7 per share, as investors worried about both the size of the losses and the need for another government bailout. It reached its nadir of $3.14 per share six weeks later, a collapse of 90 percent since before Lewis decided to do the Merrill deal”
“The government would invest another $20 billion into Bank of America—bringing the total TARP funds at the bank to $45 billion—and would also “provide protection against further losses” on $118 billion in toxic assets, primarily taken from the Merrill Lynch balance sheet.”
“Getting to grips with Trump” – a great critical interview. My only reservation is that it empowers Clinton – but that is what you get in a simplistic two party system.
Hmm, plausible…. but then we already know Trump is racist from the days when he put (c) on the applications of blacks seeking housing.
Theory: Trump surrogates attack on hip-hop is pre-emptive move, to prepare for release of video of Trump using n-word. https://t.co/bQ2BrSa25H— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) October 11, 2016
This seems as apposite a place as any to reference this post I read earlier (because it is good to be precise about things):
an active trauma therapist… I am a licensed social worker, and I am a member of a team that includes forensic investigators, child protection workers, child advocates, and law enforcement…
What Donald Trump describes on those tapes is not sexual assault. It is sexual battery. He talks about not just intimidating, harassing, and threatening women without their consent; he talks about putting his mouth and his hands on women’s bodies without their permission, on places that we consider private and protected. The Department of Justice’s definition of sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. The definition of Sexual battery is an unwanted form of contact with an intimate part of the body that is made for purposes of sexual arousal, sexual gratification or sexual abuse. Sexual battery may occur whether the victim is clothed or not. It is a crime.
For me, all of this day in and day out misogyny, leads me to a place of righteous anger. I mean, you’re reading a columnist right now who has had numerous rape and death threats merely for expressing an opinion. I totally comprehend the degree of hatred some men have for women. I get it.
Watching Trump, for example, stalking Hillary Clinton around the stage and standing close behind her in the second debate made me want an American bald eagle to grab his pudgy orange face. We know they don’t like him either.
Yep. Similarly, Trump’s behaviour on stage at the 2nd debate was difficult for some of us to watch as it was threatening, intimidating and stalking – right there in an officially condoned setting. WHY did neither of the mods call a halt to it? It was disgusting. If Donald Trump had meant to reassure voters, as he said, that “no one respects women more than I do,” the ways in which his behavior mirrored that of a stalker and a rapist sent a signal to women that they received, even if many of the post-debate analyses chose to ignore it. While pundits commented on Trump’s declaration that, if he is elected, he will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton, and then, less than a minute later, told her if he were president, “you would be in jail,” — which they rightly called out for its similarity to Putin’s policy toward his political “enemies” in autocratic Russia — they failed to note just how physically threatening Trump was in his demeanor toward Clinton herself.
But women noticed. In a culture in which 1 in 5 women will REPORT being raped in their lifetime, women are aware that they live in rape culture, which “is a complex of beliefs that encourages male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture, women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm.” (from Transforming a Rape Culture.) [emph added] http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trump-stalked-clinton-onstage-at-the-debate-and-women-recognized-him-as-a-threat/
Ta.
Re misogyny – pity it took forty something years and the revelations of a loved one, have dig around in the archives, I would but reading it again would jigger my day, before the scales were shed.
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The October 2015 email from Tony Carkk contains a list of the Clinton campaign’s “hits” on Sanders. A conversation between the campaign and the pollsters in February 2016, after Sanders won New Hampshire discusses “new possible negatives” to test in the poll, “since most of our attacks haven’t been working.” One of the ideas is to condemn Sanders for “socialism” and say he wants to “gut America’s national security.”
In February 2016, after the Sanders campaign broadcast a TV ad against fracking, the Clinton camp drafted a response painting his proposal as“extreme, unfeasible and ignores the contribution natural gas has made to our economy and our efforts to reduce carbon pollution.”
Also included is an email chain from February 15, 2016 titled ‘Pushback on immigration,’ which shows a request for Ken Salazar, who was the US secretary of the interior from 2009 to 2013, to write an op-ed to smear Bernie Sanders'”professed support for immigration.”
‘Pro-fracking insider appointed by Clinton to head presidential transition team”
Back to the real world, there’s not 5ppm difference between Trump and Clinton.
Clinton admittedly, says the nicer, more soothing words about acting on climate change.
But you can tell by the actions of President Obama and his Democratic administration that massive fossil fuel extractions is fine by them, and by their corporate sponsors.
I challenge the 5ppm line. You have no evidence for this at all, it just fits with your self composed narrative. How many ppm is ‘ clean coal ‘ worth for instance.
Been seeing this pop up for a wee while now and just letting it go “whoosh”.
But… (roughly speaking) there’s a 1ppm yearly increase in atmospheric CO2…or is it 2?
Anyway. 36 billion tonnes of CO2 – there or thereabouts -gives us the measured annual increase in ppm.
So 5ppm is anywhere between 5 years worth of human related global carbon emissions and 2 and a half years worth.
Or anywhere between 90 billion tonnes and 180 billion tonnes.
In other words, if the claim is that US emissions would vary by 5ppm under either of the two of them, then we’re talking a huge difference. Not that it makes a difference. It’s like arguing over getting hit by a family saloon doing 90km/h and a truck doing 90km/h – the outcome’s the same.
@ marty, +1 It’s another of CV’s slogans designed to impose his version of reality and it ignores other ways of understanding the situation. Trumpish I guess.
Maybe 0.5 to 1.0ppm? Dunno. The USA is a large user of coal, but even then it only represents 12% of global coal consumption.
The US is still going to consume 19M-20M barrels of oil per day whether its Clinton or Trump.
OK if optimistically immediately Clinton halves the level of coal use in the USA, that will reduce global coal consumption by 6%. Is that worth a 1ppm difference. Dunno.
Of course I made it up, but I’m also willing to defend it.
Because I am confident that none of you have any idea how a Clinton term as President will be able to result in more than 5ppm CO2 difference compared to a Trump term as President.
Currently the entire world out put of CO2 is resulting in approx 2ppm CO2 increase per year.
I’m of course more than willing to be proven wrong, so go for it weka.
I’m not interested in the maths so much as the propaganda. Always happy to keep naming that as I see it. It’s the disingenuousness of the argument that stands out right now. Because you present it as a damnation of Clinton, rather than of the office of the Presidency in the US, and you use that to promote Trump who doesn’t believe in CC. By your own admission you know they are both ill prepared for what is coming, but you don’t present that argument. I;m much more interesting in challenging all that, and the damage it does than I am arguing over some imaginary figures.
“Environmentalists slammed Trump’s self-proclaimed energy revolution which, as he reiterated Thursday, would end the war on coal and scrap the $5 trillion Obama-Clinton Climate Action Plan and the Clean Power Plan.
“Donald Trump … takes talking points from the biggest polluters in the country to slap together his disastrous energy positions,” Sierra Club political director Khalid Pitts said.
“Trump’s dirty-fuels-first plan is pretty simple: drill enough off our coasts to threaten beaches from Maine to Florida, frack enough to spoil groundwater across the nation, and burn enough coal to cook the planet and make our kids sick. In stark contrast, Hillary Clinton is the only candidate in this race who is committed to grow the booming clean energy economy to create jobs and help tackle the climate crisis.”
Trump’s Climate Denial Would Have ‘Severe and Long-Lasting’ Consequences https://t.co/7cS7Br6Edk @CeresNews @YaleClimateComm
— EcoWatch (@EcoWatch) 1474502711.0
“Greenpeace USA spokesperson Cassady Sharp agrees. “Donald Trump proved again that he is an unfit leader with no grasp on reality,” she said.
“Trump pandered to the Marcellus Shale industry today, singing the praises of a dangerous energy extraction process that threatens the health and safety of families and communities all over this country, and promising to slash critical regulations and the EPA [U.S. Environmental Protection Agency]. This man has no business dealing with America’s energy policy, and he would be a belligerent catalyst of catastrophic climate change if he were elected president.” http://www.ecowatch.com/donald-trump-fracking-2012606194.html
dunno is about right so just a guess as I suspected and a guess used to muddy the picture and support a dubious proposition – that a climate change denier is just a teeny, weeny bit worse that a non-climate change denier (although Bill has sorted the numbers out and they are gigantic and alarming). So your 5ppm is just propaganda, spin, a twirl, so that you can pretend that supporting a climate change denier still means you have credibility as a climate change commenter – it doesn’t, and you don’t.
Why you guys keep hammering away at CV when he is so obviously correct in what he is saying is getting tedious. If you think corporate capitalist USA under either Clinton or Trump is going to address cc adequately you’re bloody deluded.
Totally agree garibaldi.
Both Clinton and Trump will be disastrous for many of the Planet’s species, including us.
Clinton may beat cc to the punch by instigating and/or provoking a thermo-nuclear war over the Ukraine, Syria or the Baltic states.
pretty dull conventional analysis there paul – do you want the world to burn? do you want megadeath consequences of disregarding climate change? do you think a climate change denier is the same as a non climate change denier?
perhaps a little like this…
“no but clinton is the devil in a dress and what about xyz, or uvw and rst – why not talk about that instead of this really hard stuff around climate change, don hasn’t even been tested in ANY political office and you guys just write him off without giving him a chance – you just pick up on what he says and does and use that against him – he has said he will do nothing wrong as potus and you should just believe him”
A new report shows New Zealand is the second most expensive place to get childcare in the world, behind only Britain.
OECD research suggests it’s twice as expensive here as it is in Australia.
Kiwis need to ask why is everything so expensive here in particular for families? The cost of building is also much higher than Australia and the US.
Broadband, electricity, food, housing… why are the basics so expensive… when wages are so low and we produce many raw materials…
Of course having the Paula Restocks of the world in charge of the commerce commission does not help with our burgeoning crony plutocrats and kleptocrat culture…
A new report shows New Zealand is the second most expensive place to get childcare in the world, behind only Britain.
Great business opportunity for you there, set up a child care center and and only charge half of what every one else does.
You’ll be so over run with business you won’t know what to do.
Giovanni Tiso on the valedictory speeches of Lange and Goff in light or Rogernomics.
Lange: “‘It was just terrible.’ He concluded. ‘That is the sort of thing that happened, and I am deeply aware of that.'”
Goff: “Me mememememememe me me meeeeeee mmmeee me me me me.”
Giovanni’s assessment of Goff:
“There is a lot of talk in pragmatic left circles about the ‘missing million’, that is to say all those non-voters – many of whom belong to the working class – to which Labour still feels naturally entitled, but that it would rather hector every three years than commit to serving. That missing million is the single clearest piece of evidence that Phil Goff’s political career has been a failure… It takes a special kind of left-wing politician to look back on the last three decades of our history and fail to acknowledge the disenfranchisement of so many.”
Do you think, now that Goff has gone and Mallard and king are on the way out, that Labour will now apologise for Rogernomics?
Not that I think they should apologise for it but others on here seem to think Labour should apologise and given that all those who were part of that era are now gone (or going) will it be easier for the apology to come?
Politics being what it is, I think that an apology is very, very unlikely. There are plenty still of the right wing in Labour such as Parker and Mumbles whom Little feels he has to appease.
Any apology would come from someone retiring or retired who has nothing left to lose and will look like exactly what they are: crocodile tears.
Really glad to see him out of the Labour caucus, and as an Aucklander am willing to take one for the team … although I don’t think he will be too bad as mayor compared to some of the alternatives on offer.
I do hope that Labour takes your advice and deselects anyone who is say as centre right as David Parker (or they simply retire). That will get rid of around 10 Labour MP’s. Then get real leftists to replace them.
Next step, go for a Corbynite platform.
Then you will know whether NZ wants that agenda.
At least the U.K. gets to run that option in May 2020
Why are you so keen to accelerate our demise with your right wing blindness Wayne. One day you just might realize that everything you stand for is a sure fire recipe for disaster, though somehow I doubt you are capable of that because of your exalted position as an overpaid ,spoilt Party hack.
Love how you put your ignorance on display to try and score points joe90.
It’s a bloody scary development, but then you would actually have to take an interest in Russian politics, and Russian culture to get what has just happened.
But for you joe90 its more important to be glib and carry on a pointless fight. Tiresome, just tiresome.
In April of 2013, Britain and France informed the United Nations that there was credible evidence that Syria used chemical weapons against rebel forces. Only two months later, in June of 2013, the United States concluded that the Syrian government did, in fact, use chemical weapons in its fight against opposition forces. President Obama immediately used this chemical attack as a pretext for invasion and authorized direct U.S. military support to the rebels, according to the White House.
Since the US has been funding these ‘moderate rebels’ more than 250,000 people have been killed, over 7,600,000 have been internally displaced, and 4,000,000 other human beings have been forced from the country entirely.
All of this death and destruction carried out by a sadistic army of rebels who’ve been funded and armed by the United States government, based on, what we are now told, was a complete fabrication.
World renowned journalist Seymour Hersh has revealed, in a series of interviews and books, that the Obama Administration falsely blamed the government of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad for the sarin gas attack that Obama was trying to use as an excuse to invade Syria.
As Eric Zuesse explained in Strategic Culture, Hersh pointed to a report from British intelligence saying that the sarin that was used didn’t come from Assad’s stockpiles. Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad.
+100 Grim…Assad and the Russians especially Putin get blamed for everything by the Western US driven mainstream media…It is Orwellian. Reverse everything they say and you are nearer the truth
…some now say the msm is dead in the water as far as credibility
Normal USA policy. Just like the Vietnam war’s Tonkin Gulf incident. Used as a justification for committing US armed forces in Vietnam, later revealed to be a fabrication. Why is anyone surprised about this? And is Bearded Git claiming that such dishonesty is justified (by other propaganda stories)?
Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad.
His claim would have a bit more credibility if the US had invaded and overthrown Assad. As for Hillary Clinton “kick-starting’ this civil war, it started in 2011 – anything the US government was up to in 2012 was about response to an existing conflict, not about starting one.
It’s getting so you can’t tell whether the smear campaign’s a left-wing or right-wing one. The linked article strikes me as having been written by left-wing nutjobs, but it could just as easily have been written by their right-wing equivalents.
well yes, exactly, you can’t tell because there is no difference, they work for the same masters, Hillary is a hawkish neocon accepting millions from corporate interests and known terrorist sponsors, http://imgur.com/a/GS8bb
yet this doesn’t matter because she has a vagina, so she gets the liberal vote, even though she shafted Sanders, Trump is a sexist “selfmade man” (yeah right) who will return America’s manhood , so he gets the red-blooded vote, and disenfranchised and disgusted with establishment vote.
Meanwhile 3rd party candidates who could be less connected and less corrupt don’t get a mention, media circus keeping the spotlight on the 2 selected options.
Both Bill Clinton and Trump have flown on Epsteins rape jet, Bill Clinton 26 times, neither Hillary or Trump are President Material, but the left here continue to post Hillary support, why?
I wouldn’t call it “support” for Hillary Clinton – like most of the other people here, I’d have preferred Sanders got the nomination, not that that was ever likely. It’s just mystification that supposedly left-wing people have the same visceral hatred for her that rwnjs do, and repeat the same smears.
But you’re the one framing things:
“supposedly left-wing people”
so left wing people should give her a free pass?
is that what left wing is now? blind obedience?
“same visceral hatred”
Holding Hillary up to that same scrutiny as Trump doesn’t require hate,
depicting anyone not supporting Hillary as hate filled, there’s a word for that.
“repeat the same smears”
Is Hillary clean?
The whole phasing of your reply stinks, makes me question your integrity and motives, I don’t trust you.
Yeah, the emotionally-distraught, nostril-flaring hysteria of Hillary apologists over recent weeks has been something to behold:
Clinton critics here have simply highlighted her uber-Hawkish/Neo-Con foreign policy stance (both before and especially during her stint as Sec of State) as well as the degree to which she is deeply compromised and embedded within the Corporate Status-Quo.
Tragically, this appears to have shocked some of our more naïve innocents-abroad into a wild hyperbolic frenzy, throwing verbal punches like drunken sailors and, in PMs case, accusing Clinton critics of exhibiting “visceral hatred” towards his idol.
One or two, after scratching their heads for quite some time in a highly bewildered fashion, can only explain the critique of Clinton’s abysmal record by recourse to the concept of misogyny.
Others seem to see it all as some sort of diabolical conspiracy devised between the Left and Right fringes against a deeply-wronged woman with an exemplary record, while TheExtremist (at 20) takes a more magnanimous line, helpfully pointing out that we’re probably mistaken to see her as “the anti-Christ”.
Fear of Cognitive Dissonance seems to underpin all of this outrageously over-the-top delirium.
To clarify, I’m ‘for’ #Clinton in the same way that I’m ‘for’ wiping up cat sick. The alternative is fucking unthinkable so hold your nose.
Besides, the people I know in the US who will vote Clinton because they have to, have a better anti-capitalist analysis and activism than much of what I see here (although to be fair, most of what I see here comes from CV and Chooky, so it’s not going to be hard to beat ).
The whole if you challenge pro-Trumpesque attacks on Clinton you must support Clinton is some of the laziest, dishonest debate I’ve seen on ts. Kind of weird seeing you indulge in that.
Any analysis that lumps all of Clintons critiques on ts into a single group and says they were ‘simply’ doing something is bogus. Pity SF started with that, and given that CV has been pushing an agenda pretty hard that is anything but a simple analysis of warmongering and status quo, my response to them stands. This is the dishonest bit, where people feel the need to make out x or y. We could instead have had some debate that took us somewhere useful.
CV puts up a post saying that lots of people still support Trump because they’re disenfranchised by neoliberalism and often makes out that lefties (see, another prejudicial and unhelpful lumping of people) are stupid. Well duh to the first bit, it’s not rocket science, and the second bit is just stupid (but Trumpish).
But you are right, I’ve stayed out of it for the most part in the past few month or so, because I find the way the debate is being conducted unhelpful. I’m more interested in US anti-capitalist American activists and what their take is and why their fear of Trump far outstrips their fear of Clinton*. Anti-Clinton or Pro-Trump commenters here can make out that those people are [insert simple-minded insult of choice] but that’s just more of the bullshit.
The clock is ticking, time we grew up.
*and because this apparently needs SPELLING OUT IN BIG FUCKING BOLD, that statement isn’t a statement of support for Clinton, and it doesn’t mean that Trump voters don’t have genuine concerns. FFS.
Weka, you’re in the wrong place if you’re looking for inspirational debate, IMO
There are but a small handfull of commentators that seem to be genuinely interested in posting comments that are anything other than juvenile drivel point scoring
That some of the authors engage in the same through articles is in extremely poor taste in my opinion, while being somewhat an insight to the ‘average political enthusiast’
Again you single out CV but you fail to do the same to TRP who has an obvious agenda, and not a particularly positive one if the articles are areference point
The frustration you carry is understandable, but it’s an anonymous blog site so you get all angles along with ‘professional interference’
For sure there is some very good stuff gets written on this site, and there are some thoughtful commentators, but at best the tone will remain static or continue to regress, because that is the level of the ‘average person’
We can choose what we like and don’t like, but acceptance should always be neutral either way
One or two, after scratching their heads for quite some time in a highly bewildered fashion, can only explain the critique of Clinton’s abysmal record by recourse to the concept of misogyny.
Guilty as charged. Well, the first half of the sentence anyway.
My conclusion is: the hard hatted from both sides have spoiled their arguments by grossly over-egging them. For my part, the choice boils down to a mentally unstable lout and an establishment robot with a few hawk-like propensities. I have to go with the robot because at least there is a chance that commonsense, integrity and diplomacy will eventually win the day.
How about going with the lout, taking the chance that he won’t push the button, especially when he’s got *people* around him, and does have moments of lucidity from time to time? The guy’s certainly some kind of “…path”, for sure. He’s a total fucking fruit loop. But he does like talking. My bet is that he’s less of a chance of taking out another country than Clinton is. North Korea, for example. Clinton’s stuck to establishment rules. Trump’s a complete fuck up. But I think he’s less of a risk than Clinton when it comes to unnecessary loss of lives overseas.
No, I think what’s surprised me personally is how Clinton “critics” insist on inventing and recycling easily debunked lies about Clinton, be it concerning her career as a lawyer, her career as secretary of state, or the work of the Clinton Foundation (which has a very high rating on the amount of money that goes towards actual good deeds, and from which none of the Clintons receive any funds).
If Clinton were as bad as all that, you wouldn’t need to invent stuff.
Whereas Trump’s financial and personal behaviour is well-documented and often broadcast live.
The mental gymnastics of some on this site is so twisted and confused it’s not readily apparant as being personal exposure or simply the words of those with very limited thinking capacity
+1 on the mental gymnastics – I wrote that Clintonhaters invented easily debunked lies, not that all of it was invented.
There are good criticisms of Clinton, some criticisms that frankly might be true but over here we don’t have the information to call it either way, as stuff that I outright think is cynically invented.
Solid criticisms: Drone use, especially against US citizens (which adds an extra level of illegality). Although Trump wants to expand it to include innocent relatives.
Expansion of SOCOM’s activities throughout the world.
Use of the personal server – although it’s not the treason-level error some here seem to suggest. And Trump’s idea of a targeted political prosecution is outrageous.
Economic conservatism – although hopefully Sanders put enough of a firecracker under the DNC to shift her a bit. And Trump is much more economically 19th century.
Maybe:
Whitewater – no idea on the facts, but lawyers be lawyers.
How much she knew about WJClinton’s behaviour after the fact. I don’t give a shit about the affairs, including Lewinsky, but there is at least one solid rape allegation against him.
Invented:
the idea the Clintons had any role in the deaths of any of their assistants over the last 30 years. Vince Foster comes to mind, but ISTR another corpse some conservatives were wanking over.
Quid pro quo of state department decisions in return for donations to Clinton Foundation or speaking fees for WJC. In the few instances where that *might* have been a possibility, the state department decisions were in line with previous policy and decisions from other departments. Nobody bribes someone to make the decision they were going to make anyway.
HRC “aiding and abetting” WJC in some sort of serial rapist career.
Basically anything Trump says.
If she was going up against anyone except Trump, the solid and the maybes would be seriously damaging. As it is, even the invented slurs look (at worst) equivalent to a guy who owns a beauty pageant and walks in on 15yo girls getting undressed.
…in PMs case, accusing Clinton critics of exhibiting “visceral hatred” towards his idol.
It sounds like hyperbole, but that’s what it looks like to me when we have people referring to her as Killary, or implying that she’s murdered people who know the real truth about whatever the current right-wing Clinton smear de jeur is, or generally spouting deranged gibberish like “Hillary kickstarted the Syrian war” and “approved … the murder of children.” By American standards she’s a pretty liberal candidate – if you want a candidate left-wingers can be proud of, don’t look to the Democratic Party is all I can say.
…depicting anyone not supporting Hillary as hate filled, there’s a word for that.
Most of the “support” for Hillary Clinton on this site is at the not-particularly-enthusiastic level of considering her the lesser of two evils. The only people I’m depicting as hating her are the ones who go on big rants about her, peddling right-wing talking-point smears, or accusing her of starting wars and having children murdered.
Is Hillary clean?
I’d be astonished if anyone could make it to the top in US politics and still be described as clean. What matters is whether investigations have ever uncovered anything concrete – they haven’t, and we’re talking about one of the most-investigated people on the planet. If anyone subjected you to that level of investigation for decades, how clean would you be at the end of it?
Well I guess anyone who think Hillary uses or has a black op for sarin is hardly going to be a Hillary supporter. But they sure are deluded, and probably think the CIA carried out 9/11.
The allegation is simply ridiculous crap. Even the Russians don’t believe it.
So no I don’t think Hillary is a crazed war monger, even if the rest of you do.
TheExtremist66 says, “I don’t think anyone here is a Clinton fan. That’s just bullshit you invented. Anti-Trump doesn’t equal pro-Hillary”
Wayne says, “So no I don’t think Hillary is a crazed war monger, even if the rest of you do.”
How do they fit together wayne? Mistake or deliberate because it was pretty basic to understand but I also get that sometimes comments are put in reply to the wrong person – I really hope that is the answer.
I don’t think Hillary is a crazed war monger, even if the rest of you do.
Stupid comment Wayne. I’ve been following the arguments on this site closely and the actual number of individuals describing Clinton in such terms is small – albeit their contributions have been prolific in number. The rest have tried to be fair and measured, and their contributions cannot be described as ridiculous crap even if one doesn’t agree with them.
There is no point trying rationalise it, Garibaldi
A number of commentators here are simply not up to an elementary level of logical and critical awareness that might assist them in life, let alone assessment and understanding through innate senses
‘Expecting’ reasonable dissemination from all but a small handul would be unrealistic
Weka I notice that you’re big on letting people know when they have taken your comments the wrong way and respond by ‘putting words in your mouth or interpreting your ‘thoughts’ incorrectly
That being said I would appreciate if you could explain your above response because you appear to have done that which you pull other up on when you feel that’s happened to you
So please explain my ‘ dishonesty’ and where the ‘generic slur’ is anything other than a factual observation
FYI. I’m not in ‘a fight’ that is not what I am about. The final comment is low grade projection!
Can’t you Clinton fans see how much of a warmonger she is?
Which Clinton fans are you addressing? I haven’t seen any enthusiastic Clinton supporters on the Standard.
Still, leaving that aside, how much warmongery should these hypothetical Clinton fans be recognising in her? Is it more or less than previous US presidents? Unless the answer’s “More by shitloads!”, it comes under the heading of “Meh.”
If you’re labouring under the delusion that a Democratic Party candidate for PotUS must be left-wing, please cease your labours. If they were, they wouldn’t be the candidate (for a recent example, see Bernie Sanders).
A revolution to democratise and transform the modern economy?
In the Keiser Report (second half) is a catch up with Kim Dotcom. In this discussion Kim Dotcom gives an update on his copyright court case which is going well for him
… and discusses his potentially revolutionary Bitcache and Mega Upload 2
…which will utilise and promote Bitcoin and make it easier for creative people to get some remuneration directly for their work
…”In the second half, Max talks to Kim Dotcom about Bitcache, a company for which he is an evangelist. They discuss bitcoin, bittorrents and copyright cartels”.
Trump and Clinton duetting “I’ve had the time of my life” . . . . As ZH notes . . .”It may well be the best thing to come out of Tuesday’s debate . . .”
Anne “safe pair of hands do nothing” Tolleys answer to poverty is to load the poor up with more debt by offering them loans for essential items which use to be provided by MSD/WINZ, is now going to be privatised.
Maybe the cunning plan for doing this is, it will impoverish them so much that they’ll just have to abandoned their home because they’ll not be able to afford to pay the rent! Then they’ll remove them from the benefit & Stat’s, which will improve the govt. unemployment data?!
The dismantling of the Social Contract with the NZ Government is and has been underway for sometime. First they dis-empowered the Social Welfare Act by stripping pretty much every entitlement from the Act and placing rediculous conditions in place as well as restricting a persons “Right” to support from the State to bare minimums. Less than an ordinary citizens ability to provide for themselves & family members.
This government has to go this time next year or sooner!
The German prefix ‘Ur-‘ if my memory serves me correctly means ‘Original, from the beginning’. Not quasi (pretend, as if) and more the opposite of ‘neo’ (new). Are we learning the right things?
Not sure why he calls it “Ur-fascism”. There’s a certain rhyming quality with “et-ER-nal”, of course, but my guess is that he is also referencing it with the ancient (extremely, one of the earliest known) city of Ur. That could just be me over-analysing it, of course, but it sort of emphasises the eternal nature of fascism.
Ur (root), a common root word in the Basque language. Ur (rune) (ᚢ), a letter of the runic alphabets. Ur-, a German prefix meaning “original or primitive”
I really recommend it. It’s systematic in identifying the distinguishing features of a practised ideology (Eco was a semiotician) and helps get past all that “You’re Godwinning!” “Nah, you are!” nonsense.
Authoritarianism of any strip is the enemy of the people. I remember an old lecturer doing a list of what is a fascist, and ironically enough the one person who fitted that list was Ronald Reagan. I find the comparison between Trump and Reagan to quite illuminating. I see I’m not alone thinking Trump is rally the true hair (pun intended) of R.Reagan.
Indigenous Peoples Day (or “Columbus Day” if you prefer to idolise genocidal slavers) in the USA:
Reno police are investigating reports of a pickup truck plowing into a group of Native American rights demonstrators after dramatic video emerged showing the vehicle’s occupants arguing with activists, revving the engine and then speeding into the crowd… A 59-year-old woman has been hospitalized with injuries that are not life-threatening, and three others were hurt…
“They drove by once as we were walking toward the arch, yelling obscenities,” said Taylor Wayman, 27, who said he was not an official member of the sponsoring groups but decided to attend the rally.
“I heard the driver ask one of the protesters, ‘Do you want me to kill your homies?’ and that really set everybody off,”…
In the course of the demonstrations against the Dakota Access Pipeline — which law enforcement termed a “riot” — 27 people, including “Divergent” actress Shailene Woodley, were arrested…
Authorities were notified about 7:15 a.m. that two protesters had attached themselves to construction equipment about 2 miles southwest of St. Anthony, Keller said. Protesters said they took off from the camps to demonstrate after a prayer at 6:30 a.m. They filed out of the demonstration site with the teepee around noon.
Highway 6 near St. Anthony, south of Mandan, was closed temporarily in response to the situation… With the closure of Highway 6 and possible closure of 1806, Cannon Ball Elementary School and Solen High School along with schools in Fort Yates and Standing Rock sent students and teachers home over the noon hour. Little Heart School in St. Anthony was on lockdown.
I support the protesters but…
it was the agitators among the protesters that escalated and began the threatening language, banging on the vehicle and threatening to drag the driver out and “fuck him up”
so media being dicks and reporting one side once again, the drive was a dick but the protesters turned it into a situation.
longer video close up of the exchange, idiots on both side, hate crime my ass, Self indulgent arrogant wankers who place their rights above others, I’m talking about both parties. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/785798504534814722
Grim – you; “support the protesters but” then immediately blame them proking for the vehicular assault? Your proof for this is a link to a twitter account that posts a truncated portion of video alongside the comment (by someone who thinks Mel Gibson’s image lends his ramblings the precise air of class he deserves):
“ill tear you out of your car you little fuck”
Based shitlord then proceeds to run over Columbus Day protestors. 😂👏
#ColumbusDay
However, I can access online video too, and this 4:31s video puts the lie to your Very Australian Mate’s words. You can clearly see the white ute drive by at 0:14s “yelling obscenities,” exactly as Taylor Wayman said. They do not reappear again until the 2:50s mark – that is demonstrable premediatation.
Now I can’t hear them over the revving of the motor, but I’ll take Wayman’s word for it that the driver did say; “Do you want me to kill your homies?” I think we can all see why that “really set everybody off,”. Homicidal jerks around toddlers do tend to provoke a violent response in those being threatened.
Did the “protester” that leaned into the truck threaten the driver? yes or not?
was the “protester” in question a part of the actual protest?
Read what I wrote and don’t be so quick to defend the innocents, your white knight mentality is interfering with reason, and as I said
“Self indulgent arrogant wankers who place their rights above others, I’m talking about both parties.”
Both parties, I wasn’t attacking one side but both for their shared stupidity.
Did you watch the video I linked? if you did you would have clearly heard the driver being threatened, in your video did the protesters bang on the truck in a violent manner? you are being dishonest.
Here is a simple question, if you can’t answer it don’t reply
q: did the truck come to a full stop and after it stopped did the protesters threaten the occupants lives?
(hint re-watch the video I linked with the sound turned on then you will hear:
when one protest is shouting “do you want to fight me” and the other protester shouts “I’ll fuck you up” repeatedly, guy in the brown jacket then another shouts “I’ll tear you outa that car you little fuck” ) about the same time someone on a megaphone is telling the others to hold their ground.
Now if you re read what I wrote, I am anti pipeline, but question wether the agitator or “agent provocateur” was a member of the actual protest, was it so important to block one lonely truck? no, the only impact stopping one truck with 2 young idiots would have is if you turn it into an incident, are your fine with that tactic, endangering lifes because the end justifies the means, it stinks of manipulation, which is dishonest, but your ok with that are you?
I watched the 59s clip on the Very Australian Man’s twitter account. I am not impressed by your argument. This was premeditated vehicular assault as you’ll see if you bother to watch the 3:41s video I to which I linked.
Those around the white ute were indeed acting aggressively – but I would argue that was in response to a threat on their own and children’s lives. Wayman seems credible when he says; “I heard the driver ask one of the protesters, ‘Do you want me to kill your homies?’ and that really set everybody off,”…
Who intentionally drove a tonne-plus vehicle into a crowd that included children?
Who ended up in hospital?
so what makes Wayman sound credible? he is not a member of the protest organization, an unaccountable individual with no history, or references.
At what time did the driver threaten to kill?
‘Do you want me to kill your homies?
that sounds like a reply to something already said, think about it. use some logic.
The only “witness saying that the driver threatened the protesters and this set off everyone… hmm if it set off everyone surely other protesters, and not just some random guy that turned up on the day who is not really part of the group… anybody from the actual organisation hear it, they must have if it really set them off and “justified” their behavour?
but no, we have 2 videos released showing opposing views, both must have come from the protesters, and supposed protesters, why release the conflicting videos? Tell me… what traction in social media would this protest on a deserted street have had if this incident wasn’t created? zero would you have posted a clip of a failed protest that had zero impact? no
Could you help me here is “I will fuck you up” escalating or deescalating language?
You can clearly see the white ute drive by at 0:14s “yelling obscenities,” exactly as Taylor Wayman said. They do not reappear again until the 2:50s mark – that is demonstrable premediatation.
The two videos do not show; “opposing views”, they were taken from different cameras and show different angles of the same events. Sure; “I will fuck you up”, is; “escalating language”. However, the protestors did not; ” block one lonely truck”, the driver of this vehicle actively sought out this confrontation.
I take it this is the question that you think I did not answer (or at least not in a way you could comprehend); “did the truck come to a full stop and after it stopped did the protesters threaten the occupants lives? “. I do not believe that it is accurate to say that the vehicle came; “to a full stop”. But if you want to test that then; next time you drive up alongside a police car at an intersection, rev your motor repeatedly and lurch forward several times into the pedestrian crossing and see what their opinion is of your driving (warning – do not actually do this!).
The remainder of your question is already answered this morning by my linking to the 3:41s video, and the statement: “Those around the white ute were indeed acting aggressively – but I would argue that was in response to a threat on their own and children’s lives”.
But while we’re on the topic of not answering question, let me repeat mine:
Who intentionally drove a tonne-plus vehicle into a crowd that included children?
Who ended up in hospital?
Here’s a hint:
Renown Regional Medical Center listed the 59-year-old woman sent to the hospital after the incident as “serious” Tuesday afternoon.
According to Renown’s website, serious is described as, “Vital signs may be unstable or outside normal limits. The patient is acutely ill or injured and may have major complications.”
Kitty Colbert was posting Monday night on Facebook that she is in “good spirits.”
Reno Police Chief Jason Soto said at a Tuesday press conference that five people – the driver, his passenger and three people from the scene were evaluated by medics. Colbert was sent to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries to her lower extremities…
“I assure you all that I am in good spirits and although sore and definitely broken, I will bounce back! It will take more than attempted vehicular homicide to keep me down! My grandchildren are fine. I hate that they had to see that, but at the same time, glad they were witness to how ugly this world can be…and that this fight is important.”
They did stop one lonely truck, any other vehicles on the road? no
what is the likely payoff from stopping a couple of idiots out for an evening drive? could be meth-heads or drunk, they have already indicated they are dicks
The smart thing to do would have been to deescalate the situation and give them some literature and allow them to pass, could have won over new supporters, did they act smart? no,
you may notice the people escalating the situation were safely beside the truck, not the real protesters.
Would I have placed loved ones in harms way? especially when there is no gain,
what were they thinking?
A sailboat may have right of way over an oil tanker, doesn’t make it smart to wear your righteousness as a shield and expect the tanker to stop for you.
You are so damned intent on defending and being the hero you fail to understand what I wrote, and have repeatedly tried to paint me as a villain to justify your attempts at being the true hero, grow up.
So no answer to my questions then? Another one is, what do you consider a; “real protester”, to be?
According to Soto, the protesters did not obtain a permit from the city of Reno. Permits are required when shutting down streets in order to pay for extra police…
Online videos shared on social media show the group demonstrating on a crosswalk under the Reno Arch for several minutes. The group assembled under the arch to take a photo, according to protester Quanah Brightman, who is also the executive director of United Native Americans Inc. in San Francisco. Brightman said he came to participate with the protest but is now working on the aftermath.
Videos then show a driver in a white Nissan pickup approach the protesters on the crosswalk and rev the engine three times. Some participants fled the crosswalk, while a small group of protesters surrounded the truck. The incident sparked an exchange in heated words between the driver and the protesters. The driver than plowed through the group, injuring Colbert and hitting others, including Tara Tran…
The protest was organized by the American Indian Movement of Northern Nevada, according the event’s Facebook page. AIMNN organizers could not be reached for comment…
“He had the choice to go around either direction on the street, and he deliberately plowed right through us, and I got run over,” Colbert said in the video. “I got run over, and now I have several pelvic fractures, a sacral fracture and one in my hips as well, a small fracture.”
In the video, Brightman asks Colbert, “What do you want the Reno Police Department to do about what happened?”
She responds: “I want them to arrest this guy. I mean, I know the guy in the passenger seat didn’t press the gas pedal, but the guy that was driving needs to be arrested. I feel that this was attempted vehicular homicide.”
“He could’ve killed me, and he didn’t care,” she continued. “He didn’t care that there were babies out there. He didn’t care that there were youth, and children and elders. He just didn’t care.”…
A protest against the decision to not make an arrest started Tuesday evening at the Reno Police Station. A Facebook group called “Stand for Injustice” organized it.
Police were still investigating the video evidence captured Monday evening.
Brightman, reverend Norris Dupree, Bishop Luther DuPree Jr. and NAACP President Patricia Gallimore lead conversation, prayer and another march to Reno City Hall.
“Any time anyone tells you we were in the way, you know it’s not true,” said Tara Tran, in tears. “They were there to attack us and this was a hate crime.”
Tran said the white Nissan also hit her.
The demonstrators asked for the police to arrest the drivers, saying that at the least the incident was a hit and run.
You are very quick to judgement on my motivations for posting, but I would remind you that you are responding to my comment and not the other way around. I have made no claims to me being a hero, nor you a villain (though I might make that claim about the Very Australian Man twitter account to which you linked).
Anyway, this thread has been giving me the venue to keep updating the situation for those interested without obtruding on today’s OM. I’m willing to keep it going as long as you are.
what do you consider a; “real protester”, to be?
A:
A member of the organization holding the protest,
How do we know Taylor Wayman is not an agent provocateur planted there to make the protesters look bad? or have another agenda?
Yes the truck guys did shout out obscenities, that is clearly heard in one of the videos, what is not heard is the threat to kill homies, or any mention of when exactly it was said, I find this strange as the incident was captured from at least to angles with good audio, when it suited.
So somehow the escalating language is not audible even though it set everybody off?
And the only witness mentioning the threat is not accountable and his actions don’t reflect directly on the organization, as he was a guy that just decided to turn up.
Contrariwise:
How do we know Taylor Wayman is not an alien shapeshifter planted there to mindcontrol the encounter? or have another agenda?
The answer to both questions is that; we consider the evidence. You have your opinion that these were not “real protesters”, and that they were somehow asking for it. I do not agree.
Let’s take your example of; “A sailboat may have right of way over an oil tanker, doesn’t make it smart to wear your righteousness as a shield and expect the tanker to stop for you”. If a protestor were to be picketing an oil operation and were run down in violation of the law, would you expect the relevant authorities to charge the captain of the oil tanker for that crime?
I don’t know how many protests you’ve attended. But in my experience; the most successful are those which inspire people who were not previously affiliated with the organisation to join in. We didn’t always get permission to protest either. It is the act of protesting that makes one a protester, not the documentation one possesses.
While we’re on the topic, I’d just like to point out that I think that the need to pay for permits to protest is a form of suppression of expression. I don’t much like the idea of free-speech zones and kettling either.
the protesters did not obtain a permit from the city of Reno. Permits are required when shutting down streets in order to pay for extra police. He would not speak to whether charges were made against the driver or passenger.
“There is certainly a law in place for protesters,” Soto said at Tuesday’s news conference. “If you want to protest on the sidewalk, there’s no law against that, so you can protest on the sidewalk all day long. Once you congregate in the street, there is a law for unlawful assembly.”
In this case it might have been appropriate for police to warn protestors off the road, and arrest those who didn’t comply (and face having the images of that put online – which might have been the intention). It is not appropriate for vigilante hoons to blatantly disregard the law and drive straight into the protestors having themselves deliberately chosen to provoke the confrontation.
It’s not like this is the only group ever to block the archway during a protest. Their error seems to be that there wasn’t enough of them – so thugs thought they could be intimidated with impunity. Look at this Black Lives Matter protest from July for contrast:
Background to this is that the court declined the Standing Rock injunction on the pipeline and released it on the eve of Indigenous Peoples’ Day.
Good news is that the federal authorities soon afterwards reiterated that they continue to oppose the pipeline passing under the lake. Very interesting approach in their statement,
One day after the U.S Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. ruled against the injunction filed by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe to halt the Dakota Access pipeline, three federal agencies once again called upon “the pipeline company voluntarily pause all construction activity within 20 miles east or west of Lake Oahe.”
1806The Department of Justice, the Department of the Army and the Department of the Interior on Monday issued the following statement regarding the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals’ decision in Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers:
“We appreciate the D.C. Circuit’s opinion.
“We continue to respect the right to peaceful protest and expect people to obey the law.
“The Army continues to review issues raised by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and other Tribal nations and their members and hopes to conclude its ongoing review soon. In the interim, the Army will not authorize constructing the Dakota Access Pipeline on Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe. We repeat our request that the pipeline company voluntarily pause all construction activity within 20 miles east or west of Lake Oahe.
“We also look forward to a serious discussion during a series of consultations, starting with a listening session in Phoenix on Tuesday, on whether there should be nationwide reform on the Tribal consultation process for these types of infrastructure projects.”
Look, I don’t like her either. In fact, I can’t stand the woman and would have loved to see Bernie leading the way but conspiracy and invective isn’t going to change the fact she will more than likely become president and probably isn’t the anti-christ.
On the other hand, it will be fun watching the Repugs swallowing the lesson that continually smearing someone for 25 years results in that person being elected president.
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Laptop screens are essential for interacting with our devices and accessing information. However, when lines appear on the screen, it can be frustrating and disrupt productivity. Understanding the underlying causes of these lines is crucial for finding effective solutions. Types of Screen Lines Horizontal lines: Also known as scan ...
Right-clicking is a common and essential computer operation that allows users to access additional options and settings. While most desktop computers have dedicated right-click buttons on their mice, laptops often do not have these buttons due to space limitations. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on how to right-click ...
Powering up and shutting down your ASUS laptop is an essential task for any laptop user. Locating the power button can sometimes be a hassle, especially if you’re new to ASUS laptops. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on where to find the power button on different ASUS laptop ...
Dell laptops are renowned for their reliability, performance, and versatility. Whether you’re a student, a professional, or just someone who needs a reliable computing device, a Dell laptop can meet your needs. However, if you’re new to Dell laptops, you may be wondering how to get started. In this comprehensive ...
Two-thirds of the country think that “New Zealand’s economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful”. They also believe that “New Zealand needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful”. These are just two of a handful of stunning new survey results released ...
In today’s digital world, screenshots have become an indispensable tool for communication and documentation. Whether you need to capture an important email, preserve a website page, or share an error message, screenshots allow you to quickly and easily preserve digital information. If you’re an Asus laptop user, there are several ...
A factory reset restores your Gateway laptop to its original factory settings, erasing all data, apps, and personalizations. This can be necessary to resolve software issues, remove viruses, or prepare your laptop for sale or transfer. Here’s a step-by-step guide on how to factory reset your Gateway laptop: Method 1: ...
“You talking about me?”The neoliberal denigration of the past was nowhere more unrelenting than in its depiction of the public service. The Post Office and the Railways were held up as being both irremediably inefficient and scandalously over-manned. Playwright Roger Hall’s “Glide Time” caricatures were presented as accurate depictions of ...
Roger Partridge writes – When the Coalition Government took office last October, it inherited a country on a precipice. With persistent inflation, decades of insipid productivity growth and crises in healthcare, education, housing and law and order, it is no exaggeration to suggest New Zealand’s first-world status was ...
Rob MacCulloch writes – In 2022, the Curriculum Centre at the Ministry of Education employed 308 staff, according to an Official Information Request. Earlier this week it was announced 202 of those staff were being cut. When you look up “The New Zealand Curriculum” on the Ministry of ...
Chris Bishop’s bill has stirred up a hornets nest of opposition. Photo: Lynn Grieveson for The KākāTL;DR: The six things that stood out to me in Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, poverty and climate from the last day included:A crescendo of opposition to the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill is ...
Monday left me brokenTuesday, I was through with hopingWednesday, my empty arms were openThursday, waiting for love, waiting for loveThe end of another week that left many of us asking WTF? What on earth has NZ gotten itself into and how on earth could people have voluntarily signed up for ...
Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.State of humanity, 20242024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?Full story Share ...
Determining the hardest sport in the world is a subjective matter, as the difficulty level can vary depending on individual abilities, physical attributes, and experience. However, based on various factors including physical demands, technical skills, mental fortitude, and overall accomplishment, here is an exploration of some of the most challenging ...
The allure of sport transcends age, culture, and geographical boundaries. It captivates hearts, ignites passions, and provides unparalleled entertainment. Behind the spectacle, however, lies a fascinating world of financial investment and expenditure. Among the vast array of competitive pursuits, one question looms large: which sport carries the hefty title of ...
Introduction Pickleball, a rapidly growing paddle sport, has captured the hearts and imaginations of millions around the world. Its blend of tennis, badminton, and table tennis elements has made it a favorite among players of all ages and skill levels. As the sport’s popularity continues to surge, the question on ...
Abstract: Soccer, the global phenomenon captivating millions worldwide, has a rich history that spans centuries. Its origins trace back to ancient civilizations, but the modern version we know and love emerged through a complex interplay of cultural influences and innovations. This article delves into the fascinating journey of soccer’s evolution, ...
Tinting car windows offers numerous benefits, including enhanced privacy, reduced glare, UV protection, and a more stylish look for your vehicle. However, the cost of window tinting can vary significantly depending on several factors. This article provides a comprehensive guide to help you understand how much you can expect to ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey and his Government colleagues have made a meal of their mental health commitments, showing how flimsy their efforts to champion the issue truly are, says Labour Mental Health spokesperson Ingrid Leary. ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
“Never again - No AUKUS” was the message of the wreath laid at this morning’s national ANZAC Day commemorative service at Pukeahu National War Memorial Park this morning by the Stop AUKUS group. ...
Until this month, Auckland swimmer Hazel Ouwehand had never met a qualifying time in an Olympic event for a New Zealand team, even as a junior. Now she’s very likely off to the Paris Olympics after swimming well under the qualifying standard in the 100m butterfly twice – both in ...
While Anzac Day has experienced a resurgence in recent years, our other day of remembrance has slowly faded from view.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand. Original illustrations by Hope McConnell.First published in 2022.The high school’s head girl and ...
Australian and New Zealand volunteers fought together in the Waikato War, yet still its place in the Anzac tradition is unacknowledged by our defence forces or Returned Services Association.First published in 2018.When I was a boy cub I attended Anzac Day services in the South Auckland suburb of ...
A poem by Wellington writer Tayi Tibble.Hoki Mai She kisses him goodbye with her eyes still wet and alight from their last swim in the Awatere river. At the train station celebration, she leads the Kapa Haka but her voice keeps breaking under and over itself like waves. ...
A poem from Bill Manhire’s 2017 book of verse Some Things to Place in a Coffin.My World War I Poem Inside each trench, the sound of prayer. Inside each prayer, the sound of digging. Image courtesy of Auckland War Memorial Museum. ...
There are three books I have wolfed down in one sitting over the last two years. Colleen Maria Lenihan’s gorgeous and sad debut Kōhine, Noelle McCarthy’s memoir Grand about becoming her mother and then unbecoming her, and now Hine Toa, a staunch yet gentle self-portrait by living legend Ngāhuia te ...
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Asia Pacific Report Students and activist staff at Australia’s University of Sydney (USyd) have set up a Gaza solidarity encampment in support of Palestinians and similar student-led protests in the United States. The camp was pitched as mass graves, crippled hospitals, thousands of civilian deaths and the near-total destruction of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By James B. Dorey, Lecturer in Biological Sciences, University of Wollongong Australian teddy bear bees are cute and fluffy, but get a look at that massive (unbarbed) stinger! James Dorey Photography Most of us have been stung by a bee and we ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jen Roberts, Senior Lecturer, School of Humanities and Social Inquiry, University of Wollongong Aussie~mobs/FlickrVictor Farr, a private in the 1st Infantry Battalion, was among the first to land at Anzac Cove just before dawn on April 25 1915. Victor Farr ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Moore, Senior Research Associate, School of Ecosystem and Forest Sciences, The University of Melbourne Gregory Moore I had the good fortune to care for the sugar gum at The University of Melbourne’s Burnley Gardens in Victoria where I worked for ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rachel Ong ViforJ, ARC Future Fellow & Professor of Economics, Curtin University Just when we think the price of rentals could not get any worse, this week’s Rental Affordability Snapshot by Anglicare has revealed low-income Australians are facing a housing crisis like ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tracey Holmes, Professorial Fellow in Sport, University of Canberra When the news broke last weekend that 23 Chinese swimmers had tested positive to a banned drug in early 2021 and were allowed to compete at the Tokyo Olympic Games six months later ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Cally Jetta, Senior Lecturer and Academic Lead; College for First Nations, University of Southern Queensland Australian War MemorialAboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised this article contains names and images of deceased people, as well as sensitive historical information ...
RNZ News Melissa Lee has been ousted from New Zealand’s coalition cabinet and stripped of the Media portfolio, and Penny Simmonds has lost the Disability Issues portfolio in a reshuffle. Climate Change and Revenue Minister Simon Watts will take Lee’s spot in cabinet. Simmonds was a minister outside of cabinet. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Lindenmayer, Professor, Fenner School of Environment and Society, Australian National University laurello/Shutterstock Some reports and popular books, such as Bill Gammage’s Biggest Estate on Earth, have argued that extensive areas of Australia’s forests were kept open through frequent burning by ...
Analysis - Christopher Luxon framing the demotion of two ministers as the portfolios getting "too complex" is a charitable way of saying they weren't up to the job. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra With Jim Chalmers’s third budget on May 14, Australians will be looking for some more cost-of-living relief – beyond the tax cuts – although they have been warned extra measures will be modest. As ...
Analysis: Melissa Lee has lost the media portfolio and her spot in Cabinet after multiple failed attempts to find solutions for a media industry in crisis. On Wednesday, the Prime Minister announced Lee would be losing her spot in Cabinet along with her media and communications ministerial portfolio. The job ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Simon Wilmot, Senior Lecturer, Film, Deakin University Among the many Australian who served during the second world war, there is a small group of people whose stories remain largely untold. These are the Muslim men and women who, while small in number, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kelly Saunders, PhD Candidate, University of Canberra There has been much analysis and praise of Justice Michael Lee’s recent judgement in Bruce Lehrmann’s defamation case against Channel Ten. Many people were openly relieved to read Lee’s “forensic” and “nuanced” application of law ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathy Gibbs, Program Director for the Bachelor of Education, Griffith University zEdward_Indy/Shutterstock Around one in 20 people has attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). It’s one of the most common neurodevelopmental disorders in childhood and often continues into adulthood. ADHD is diagnosed ...
The Fairer Future coalition of anti-poverty groups say Whaikaha must be properly funded going forward, and that to argue that poor financial management of the new Ministry is a red herring by the Prime Minister. ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is today congratulating Hon. Paul Goldsmith on his appointment as Minister for Media and Communications and urges him to rule out state intervention in the private media sector. ...
Asia Pacific Report The West Papuan resistance OPM leader has condemned Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and US President Joe Biden, accusing their countries of “six decades of treachery” over Papuan independence. The open letter was released today by OPM chairman Jeffrey P Bomanak on the eve of ANZAC Day ...
Welcome to The Spinoff Books Confessional, in which we get to know the reading habits and quirks of New Zealanders at large. This week: writer and one of Time Magazine’s 100 most influential people of 2024, Lauren Groff.The book I wish I’d writtenIf I wish I’d written a ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Fechner, Research Fellow, Social Marketing, Griffith University mavo/Shutterstock Imagine having dinner at a restaurant. The menu offers plant-based meat alternatives made mostly from vegetables, mushrooms, legumes and wheat that mimic meat in taste, texture and smell. Despite being given that ...
“Three Strikes is a dead-end policy proposed by a dead-end government. The Three Strikes law ignores the causes of crime, instead just brutalising people already crushed by the cost of living.” ...
By Don Wiseman, RNZ Pacific senior journalist An Australian-born judge in Kiribati could well face deportation later this week after a tribunal ruling that he should be removed from his post. The tribunal’s report has just been tabled in the Kiribati Parliament and is due to be debated by MPs ...
With its clear mandate for police use, political nuances, and nuanced public trust, Denmark's insights provide valuable considerations for Australia and New Zealand. ...
Books editor Claire Mabey reviews poet Louise Wallace’s debut novel. A famous poet once said to me that he’s always suspicious when a poet publishes a novel. I never really understood why but maybe it’s something to do with cheating on your first form. Louise Wallace is a poet. She’s ...
For a few months at the turn of the millennium, TrueBliss burned bright as the biggest pop stars in the country. Alex Casey chats to two superfans who still hold the flame. During a humble backyard wedding in Nelson, 1999, one of the cordially invited guests had to excuse themselves ...
How will the recent wave of job cuts impact ethnic diversity in the media? In November last year, I was working a very busy day in the newsroom of a large online news site, interviewing whānau about their concerns over the imminent closure of one of the few puna reo ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ruth Knight, Researcher, Queensland University of Technology Have you ever felt sick at work? Perhaps you had food poisoning or the flu. Your belly hurt, or you felt tired, making it hard to concentrate and be productive. How likely would you be ...
Despite heavy criticism and an ongoing select committee process, the Police Minister says the Government will forge ahead with a ban on gang patches. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sam Whiting, Lecturer – Creative Industries, University of South Australia Shutterstock Everyone has a favourite band, or a favourite composer, or a favourite song. There is some music which speaks to you, deeply; and other music which might be the current ...
A new survey says ‘outlook not great’ for those charged with building infrastructure, while RMA changes delight farmers and depress environmentalists, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. First RMA changes announced ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Olli Hellmann, Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Waikato Getty Images When New Zealanders commemorate Anzac Day on April 25, it’s not only to honour the soldiers who lost their lives in World War I and subsequent conflicts, but also ...
A leaked document shows the Canterbury/Waitaha arm of health agency Te Whatu Ora is scurrying to save $13.3 million by July. The “financial sustainability target”, which was “allocated” to Waitaha, is consistent with what’s happening in other districts, says Sarah Dalton, executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. ...
A look at the state of the previous government’s affordable housing scheme, and what could come next.Remind me: What’s KiwiBuild again?First announced in 2012, KiwiBuild was a flagship policy of the Labour Party heading into both its 2014 and 2017 election campaigns. With Jacinda Ardern as prime minister, ...
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It’s starting to snowball
Palmerston North to probe building designs following Masterton flaws
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85155983/palmerston-north-to-review-building-designs
Horowhenua mayor refuses to enter council building, claiming it’s unsafe
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85203132/horowhenua-mayor-refuses-to-enter-council-building-claiming-it-unsafe
Chinese immigrants ask New Zealand to help stop organ harvesting in their homeland
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/85152470/Chinese-immigrants-ask-New-Zealand-to-help-stop-organ-harvesting-in-their-homeland
Distractions alive and well in jonolist land.
tc
Distractions alive and well in jonolist land.
More detail please. Explain.
It’s far from trivia.
Given Paul usually starts the day with providing “dire news”, from the MSM that he dislikes (paradox), I thought I would start the day with something more interesting;
http://radaronline.com/photos/kylie-jenner-blac-chya-feud-instagram-rob-kardashian-tyga-blonde-makeup-photos/
Buckle yourself in, all out war between Kylie Jenner and Blac Chyna, without a cruise missile in sight…..
interesting
interesting
ˈɪnt(ə)rɪstɪŋ/Submit
adjective
arousing curiosity or interest; holding or catching the attention.
“an interesting debate”
synonyms: absorbing, engrossing, fascinating, riveting, gripping, compelling, compulsive, spellbinding, captivating, engaging, enthralling, entrancing, beguiling; More
yeah, right Tui.
A good illustration of what RWNJs, and teenagers, find important in life.
+1
Bread and circuses.
Here ya go, Paul … some Brazilian psychedelia from Os Mutantes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLD_CQ8xqc8
Posting about the kardashians seems pretty dicky to me … go waste you’re own time
Or was it just an excuse for a tory dick pic to spurt out an unpleasant comment about Paul ….
If you would like to talk about something relevant to New Zealand ….
I’m interested to know if you think Key was being cheeky and having a private laugh when he was reported as extolling New Zealanders to be more charitable and generous like u.s.a citizens??? …..
he was saying things like ………” develop an American-style culture of giving.” ……”like to see New Zealanders become more like Americans, who give twice as much”
And he did this after their charity and bailout to him for $5 million?, $10 million?, $15 million ? ( we are not sure of the exact amount yet ) went through …. January 2009 it was all finalized
“Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America for 0.8595 shares of Bank of America common stock for each Merrill Lynch common share”
“lousy deal for Bank of America and its shareholders. On January16, the bank’s stock closed around $7 per share, as investors worried about both the size of the losses and the need for another government bailout. It reached its nadir of $3.14 per share six weeks later, a collapse of 90 percent since before Lewis decided to do the Merrill deal”
“The government would invest another $20 billion into Bank of America—bringing the total TARP funds at the bank to $45 billion—and would also “provide protection against further losses” on $118 billion in toxic assets, primarily taken from the Merrill Lynch balance sheet.”
Heres some advice for you because you seem a bit cranky as of late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiRvU6hcic
Putting up a picture of that smug ideology, should come with a lengthy ban. 🙂
An outright ban would be more appropriate! Only to be readmitted with an online heartfelt rendition of “The Red Flag” published on You Tube.
+ 1 yep auto ban for that shit is my vote
Q. Where do brownlees sit at Chinese defence meetings?
A. Anywhere they want.
(But most likely close behind where USers are.)
Q. Where do brownlees sit at Chinese defence meetings?
A. Anywhere they want.
(Mostly close behind where the USers sit.)
“Getting to grips with Trump” – a great critical interview. My only reservation is that it empowers Clinton – but that is what you get in a simplistic two party system.
https://www.ineteconomics.org/ideas-papers/interviews-talks/getting-to-grips-with-the-trump-phenomenon
https://youtu.be/Zy7wGrRSB24
Hmm, plausible…. but then we already know Trump is racist from the days when he put (c) on the applications of blacks seeking housing.
Hi joe, just wanted to say that your ongoing comments on Trump re misogyny and racism are very much appreciated.
Like weka says 🙂
Tuesday, the national women’s advocacy organization UltraViolet Action took out a full-page ad in the Post featuring the voices of more than 3,000 survivors of sexual assault calling on Republican leaders, candidates, and elected officials to denounce Trump’s misogyny. http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/11/trump-now-unshackled-what-next-gops-institutional-misogyny
This seems as apposite a place as any to reference this post I read earlier (because it is good to be precise about things):
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/11/1580874/-Its-called-sexual-battery
Rachel Stewart:
No predator more dangerous than the human male
[…]
For me, all of this day in and day out misogyny, leads me to a place of righteous anger. I mean, you’re reading a columnist right now who has had numerous rape and death threats merely for expressing an opinion. I totally comprehend the degree of hatred some men have for women. I get it.
Watching Trump, for example, stalking Hillary Clinton around the stage and standing close behind her in the second debate made me want an American bald eagle to grab his pudgy orange face. We know they don’t like him either.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11726591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdC3ETaiOHc
Yep. Similarly, Trump’s behaviour on stage at the 2nd debate was difficult for some of us to watch as it was threatening, intimidating and stalking – right there in an officially condoned setting. WHY did neither of the mods call a halt to it? It was disgusting.
If Donald Trump had meant to reassure voters, as he said, that “no one respects women more than I do,” the ways in which his behavior mirrored that of a stalker and a rapist sent a signal to women that they received, even if many of the post-debate analyses chose to ignore it. While pundits commented on Trump’s declaration that, if he is elected, he will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton, and then, less than a minute later, told her if he were president, “you would be in jail,” — which they rightly called out for its similarity to Putin’s policy toward his political “enemies” in autocratic Russia — they failed to note just how physically threatening Trump was in his demeanor toward Clinton herself.
But women noticed. In a culture in which 1 in 5 women will REPORT being raped in their lifetime, women are aware that they live in rape culture, which “is a complex of beliefs that encourages male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture, women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm.” (from Transforming a Rape Culture.) [emph added] http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trump-stalked-clinton-onstage-at-the-debate-and-women-recognized-him-as-a-threat/
Thanks for that. I didn’t watch the debate, but that doesn’t surprise me at all.
“WHY did neither of the mods call a halt to it?”
Maybe they thought it was a Trump behaviour pattern that needed maximum public exposure?
Ta.
Re misogyny – pity it took forty something years and the revelations of a loved one, have dig around in the archives, I would but reading it again would jigger my day, before the scales were shed.
Thanks joe, I didn’t know that, all power to you and yours.
Why do you appreciate the comments?
Why do you ask?
Clinton supports Fracking …if Clinton gets to be President a revised TPP will be negotiated imo and New Zealand will be Fracked ( f..ked)
https://www.rt.com/usa/362358-wikileaks-third-podesta-emails/
…”
The October 2015 email from Tony Carkk contains a list of the Clinton campaign’s “hits” on Sanders. A conversation between the campaign and the pollsters in February 2016, after Sanders won New Hampshire discusses “new possible negatives” to test in the poll, “since most of our attacks haven’t been working.” One of the ideas is to condemn Sanders for “socialism” and say he wants to “gut America’s national security.”
In February 2016, after the Sanders campaign broadcast a TV ad against fracking, the Clinton camp drafted a response painting his proposal as“extreme, unfeasible and ignores the contribution natural gas has made to our economy and our efforts to reduce carbon pollution.”
Also included is an email chain from February 15, 2016 titled ‘Pushback on immigration,’ which shows a request for Ken Salazar, who was the US secretary of the interior from 2009 to 2013, to write an op-ed to smear Bernie Sanders'”professed support for immigration.”
‘Pro-fracking insider appointed by Clinton to head presidential transition team”
https://www.rt.com/usa/356278-clinton-transition-team-fracking-tpp/
(imo while Clinton now opposes the TPP for other reasons, if she is elected it will be back on the table ..and fracking will be up there
…”She once said TPP “sets the gold standard of trade agreements.”
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hillary-clinton-policy-on-tpp-trade-deal-2016-10?r=US&IR=T
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Free_Trade.htm
We already have fracking in NZ.
Have a look at the Clinton and Trump positions on climate change. Currently, Al Gore is supporting Hillary Clinton in Florida.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/donald-trump-climate-change-science-sierra-club
Back to the real world, there’s not 5ppm difference between Trump and Clinton.
Clinton admittedly, says the nicer, more soothing words about acting on climate change.
But you can tell by the actions of President Obama and his Democratic administration that massive fossil fuel extractions is fine by them, and by their corporate sponsors.
I challenge the 5ppm line. You have no evidence for this at all, it just fits with your self composed narrative. How many ppm is ‘ clean coal ‘ worth for instance.
Been seeing this pop up for a wee while now and just letting it go “whoosh”.
But… (roughly speaking) there’s a 1ppm yearly increase in atmospheric CO2…or is it 2?
Anyway. 36 billion tonnes of CO2 – there or thereabouts -gives us the measured annual increase in ppm.
So 5ppm is anywhere between 5 years worth of human related global carbon emissions and 2 and a half years worth.
Or anywhere between 90 billion tonnes and 180 billion tonnes.
In other words, if the claim is that US emissions would vary by 5ppm under either of the two of them, then we’re talking a huge difference. Not that it makes a difference. It’s like arguing over getting hit by a family saloon doing 90km/h and a truck doing 90km/h – the outcome’s the same.
@ marty, +1 It’s another of CV’s slogans designed to impose his version of reality and it ignores other ways of understanding the situation. Trumpish I guess.
Maybe 0.5 to 1.0ppm? Dunno. The USA is a large user of coal, but even then it only represents 12% of global coal consumption.
The US is still going to consume 19M-20M barrels of oil per day whether its Clinton or Trump.
OK if optimistically immediately Clinton halves the level of coal use in the USA, that will reduce global coal consumption by 6%. Is that worth a 1ppm difference. Dunno.
I’d say its less.
I take that to mean you made the 5ppm thing up.
Of course I made it up, but I’m also willing to defend it.
Because I am confident that none of you have any idea how a Clinton term as President will be able to result in more than 5ppm CO2 difference compared to a Trump term as President.
Currently the entire world out put of CO2 is resulting in approx 2ppm CO2 increase per year.
I’m of course more than willing to be proven wrong, so go for it weka.
I’m not interested in the maths so much as the propaganda. Always happy to keep naming that as I see it. It’s the disingenuousness of the argument that stands out right now. Because you present it as a damnation of Clinton, rather than of the office of the Presidency in the US, and you use that to promote Trump who doesn’t believe in CC. By your own admission you know they are both ill prepared for what is coming, but you don’t present that argument. I;m much more interesting in challenging all that, and the damage it does than I am arguing over some imaginary figures.
I’ll take that as a tacit admission that my “not even 5ppm difference between Trump and Clinton” may be spot on.
au contraire, my 5ppm statement says exactly that.
“Environmentalists slammed Trump’s self-proclaimed energy revolution which, as he reiterated Thursday, would end the war on coal and scrap the $5 trillion Obama-Clinton Climate Action Plan and the Clean Power Plan.
“Donald Trump … takes talking points from the biggest polluters in the country to slap together his disastrous energy positions,” Sierra Club political director Khalid Pitts said.
“Trump’s dirty-fuels-first plan is pretty simple: drill enough off our coasts to threaten beaches from Maine to Florida, frack enough to spoil groundwater across the nation, and burn enough coal to cook the planet and make our kids sick. In stark contrast, Hillary Clinton is the only candidate in this race who is committed to grow the booming clean energy economy to create jobs and help tackle the climate crisis.”
Trump’s Climate Denial Would Have ‘Severe and Long-Lasting’ Consequences https://t.co/7cS7Br6Edk @CeresNews @YaleClimateComm
— EcoWatch (@EcoWatch) 1474502711.0
“Greenpeace USA spokesperson Cassady Sharp agrees. “Donald Trump proved again that he is an unfit leader with no grasp on reality,” she said.
“Trump pandered to the Marcellus Shale industry today, singing the praises of a dangerous energy extraction process that threatens the health and safety of families and communities all over this country, and promising to slash critical regulations and the EPA [U.S. Environmental Protection Agency]. This man has no business dealing with America’s energy policy, and he would be a belligerent catalyst of catastrophic climate change if he were elected president.”
http://www.ecowatch.com/donald-trump-fracking-2012606194.html
I’ll take that as a tacit admission that my “not even 5ppm difference between Trump and Clinton” may be spot on.
Which would be you lying about my views. Again. Please stop.
I just told you how I decided to perceive your comments, weka.
And guess what – you don’t get to determine how I perceive your comments.
dunno is about right so just a guess as I suspected and a guess used to muddy the picture and support a dubious proposition – that a climate change denier is just a teeny, weeny bit worse that a non-climate change denier (although Bill has sorted the numbers out and they are gigantic and alarming). So your 5ppm is just propaganda, spin, a twirl, so that you can pretend that supporting a climate change denier still means you have credibility as a climate change commenter – it doesn’t, and you don’t.
Why you guys keep hammering away at CV when he is so obviously correct in what he is saying is getting tedious. If you think corporate capitalist USA under either Clinton or Trump is going to address cc adequately you’re bloody deluded.
Totally agree garibaldi.
Both Clinton and Trump will be disastrous for many of the Planet’s species, including us.
Clinton may beat cc to the punch by instigating and/or provoking a thermo-nuclear war over the Ukraine, Syria or the Baltic states.
pretty dull conventional analysis there paul – do you want the world to burn? do you want megadeath consequences of disregarding climate change? do you think a climate change denier is the same as a non climate change denier?
perhaps a little like this…
“no but clinton is the devil in a dress and what about xyz, or uvw and rst – why not talk about that instead of this really hard stuff around climate change, don hasn’t even been tested in ANY political office and you guys just write him off without giving him a chance – you just pick up on what he says and does and use that against him – he has said he will do nothing wrong as potus and you should just believe him”
he’s not correct and in the 5ppm line he admitted he made it up – why don’t you take your tedium for a walk instead of moaning.
A new report shows New Zealand is the second most expensive place to get childcare in the world, behind only Britain.
OECD research suggests it’s twice as expensive here as it is in Australia.
Kiwis need to ask why is everything so expensive here in particular for families? The cost of building is also much higher than Australia and the US.
Broadband, electricity, food, housing… why are the basics so expensive… when wages are so low and we produce many raw materials…
Of course having the Paula Restocks of the world in charge of the commerce commission does not help with our burgeoning crony plutocrats and kleptocrat culture…
A new report shows New Zealand is the second most expensive place to get childcare in the world, behind only Britain.
Great business opportunity for you there, set up a child care center and and only charge half of what every one else does.
You’ll be so over run with business you won’t know what to do.
How is someone starting out in business able to afford the premises to offer cheaper childcare?
So all the cost is in the premises?
For all of you who like old school hip-hop. Or for those who just like really good music here is ‘Common and Friends’.
Yes that Common, http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/rapper-commons-white-house-visit-called-controversial-critics/story?id=13572464
Just look were he playing this time…
“Letter To The Free” just a stand out track, makes me wanna watch the documentary now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AChGszRGwI
Giovanni Tiso on the valedictory speeches of Lange and Goff in light or Rogernomics.
Lange: “‘It was just terrible.’ He concluded. ‘That is the sort of thing that happened, and I am deeply aware of that.'”
Goff: “Me mememememememe me me meeeeeee mmmeee me me me me.”
Giovanni’s assessment of Goff:
“There is a lot of talk in pragmatic left circles about the ‘missing million’, that is to say all those non-voters – many of whom belong to the working class – to which Labour still feels naturally entitled, but that it would rather hector every three years than commit to serving. That missing million is the single clearest piece of evidence that Phil Goff’s political career has been a failure… It takes a special kind of left-wing politician to look back on the last three decades of our history and fail to acknowledge the disenfranchisement of so many.”
http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.co.nz/2016/10/fail-proof.html
As for me, to Goff: Don’t let the door catch your arse on the way out. Labour’s better with you gone. Sorry, Auckland.
Do you think, now that Goff has gone and Mallard and king are on the way out, that Labour will now apologise for Rogernomics?
Not that I think they should apologise for it but others on here seem to think Labour should apologise and given that all those who were part of that era are now gone (or going) will it be easier for the apology to come?
Politics being what it is, I think that an apology is very, very unlikely. There are plenty still of the right wing in Labour such as Parker and Mumbles whom Little feels he has to appease.
Any apology would come from someone retiring or retired who has nothing left to lose and will look like exactly what they are: crocodile tears.
You’ve got two shows of that: no show, and shit show.
thanks for that!
Really glad to see him out of the Labour caucus, and as an Aucklander am willing to take one for the team … although I don’t think he will be too bad as mayor compared to some of the alternatives on offer.
I do hope that Labour takes your advice and deselects anyone who is say as centre right as David Parker (or they simply retire). That will get rid of around 10 Labour MP’s. Then get real leftists to replace them.
Next step, go for a Corbynite platform.
Then you will know whether NZ wants that agenda.
At least the U.K. gets to run that option in May 2020
Why are you so keen to accelerate our demise with your right wing blindness Wayne. One day you just might realize that everything you stand for is a sure fire recipe for disaster, though somehow I doubt you are capable of that because of your exalted position as an overpaid ,spoilt Party hack.
Russian Govt officials told to immediately bring back children studying abroad
Regardless of whether or not this interrupts their years programme of study. Well this is a confidence inspiring development.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/russian-government-officials-told-immediately-bring-back-children-studying-abroad
I guess they’re planning to use those Iskander-M systems relocated to bring swathes of Western Europe into range.
Love how you put your ignorance on display to try and score points joe90.
It’s a bloody scary development, but then you would actually have to take an interest in Russian politics, and Russian culture to get what has just happened.
But for you joe90 its more important to be glib and carry on a pointless fight. Tiresome, just tiresome.
New policy from Clinton to help the poorest families. Paul Krugman on twitter “This is big…”
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/11/13237160/hillary-clinton-child-tax-credit
And here’s Trump’s ideas on the same topic.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/10/11/donald_trump_would_raise_taxes_on_single_parents.html
Hillary kickstarted the Syrian war, approved WMD, regime change and murder of children,
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/05/03/pulitzer-prize-winning-journalist-hillary-approved-sending-sarin-gas-to-rebels-to-frame-assad-start-syrian-war/
In April of 2013, Britain and France informed the United Nations that there was credible evidence that Syria used chemical weapons against rebel forces. Only two months later, in June of 2013, the United States concluded that the Syrian government did, in fact, use chemical weapons in its fight against opposition forces. President Obama immediately used this chemical attack as a pretext for invasion and authorized direct U.S. military support to the rebels, according to the White House.
Since the US has been funding these ‘moderate rebels’ more than 250,000 people have been killed, over 7,600,000 have been internally displaced, and 4,000,000 other human beings have been forced from the country entirely.
All of this death and destruction carried out by a sadistic army of rebels who’ve been funded and armed by the United States government, based on, what we are now told, was a complete fabrication.
World renowned journalist Seymour Hersh has revealed, in a series of interviews and books, that the Obama Administration falsely blamed the government of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad for the sarin gas attack that Obama was trying to use as an excuse to invade Syria.
As Eric Zuesse explained in Strategic Culture, Hersh pointed to a report from British intelligence saying that the sarin that was used didn’t come from Assad’s stockpiles. Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad.
+100 Grim…Assad and the Russians especially Putin get blamed for everything by the Western US driven mainstream media…It is Orwellian. Reverse everything they say and you are nearer the truth
…some now say the msm is dead in the water as far as credibility
Assad started the war by attacking civilian demonstrators….he uses gas and barrel bombs. If you want him as a friend Chooky he’s all yours.
Assad started the war?!….I don’t think so…you are spouting another msm myth !!!!!
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/362204-syria-russia-us-relations/
Normal USA policy. Just like the Vietnam war’s Tonkin Gulf incident. Used as a justification for committing US armed forces in Vietnam, later revealed to be a fabrication. Why is anyone surprised about this? And is Bearded Git claiming that such dishonesty is justified (by other propaganda stories)?
And you’re spouting Russian bullshit propaganda!
Everybody wins!
(And it did begin with the Arab Spring as a civil war without active involvement by the US or Russia as per: http://www.iamsyria.org/conflict-background.html)
Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad.
His claim would have a bit more credibility if the US had invaded and overthrown Assad. As for Hillary Clinton “kick-starting’ this civil war, it started in 2011 – anything the US government was up to in 2012 was about response to an existing conflict, not about starting one.
It’s getting so you can’t tell whether the smear campaign’s a left-wing or right-wing one. The linked article strikes me as having been written by left-wing nutjobs, but it could just as easily have been written by their right-wing equivalents.
well yes, exactly, you can’t tell because there is no difference, they work for the same masters, Hillary is a hawkish neocon accepting millions from corporate interests and known terrorist sponsors, http://imgur.com/a/GS8bb
yet this doesn’t matter because she has a vagina, so she gets the liberal vote, even though she shafted Sanders, Trump is a sexist “selfmade man” (yeah right) who will return America’s manhood , so he gets the red-blooded vote, and disenfranchised and disgusted with establishment vote.
Meanwhile 3rd party candidates who could be less connected and less corrupt don’t get a mention, media circus keeping the spotlight on the 2 selected options.
Both Bill Clinton and Trump have flown on Epsteins rape jet, Bill Clinton 26 times, neither Hillary or Trump are President Material, but the left here continue to post Hillary support, why?
I wouldn’t call it “support” for Hillary Clinton – like most of the other people here, I’d have preferred Sanders got the nomination, not that that was ever likely. It’s just mystification that supposedly left-wing people have the same visceral hatred for her that rwnjs do, and repeat the same smears.
But you’re the one framing things:
“supposedly left-wing people”
so left wing people should give her a free pass?
is that what left wing is now? blind obedience?
“same visceral hatred”
Holding Hillary up to that same scrutiny as Trump doesn’t require hate,
depicting anyone not supporting Hillary as hate filled, there’s a word for that.
“repeat the same smears”
Is Hillary clean?
The whole phasing of your reply stinks, makes me question your integrity and motives, I don’t trust you.
+1 Grim
Yeah, the emotionally-distraught, nostril-flaring hysteria of Hillary apologists over recent weeks has been something to behold:
Clinton critics here have simply highlighted her uber-Hawkish/Neo-Con foreign policy stance (both before and especially during her stint as Sec of State) as well as the degree to which she is deeply compromised and embedded within the Corporate Status-Quo.
Tragically, this appears to have shocked some of our more naïve innocents-abroad into a wild hyperbolic frenzy, throwing verbal punches like drunken sailors and, in PMs case, accusing Clinton critics of exhibiting “visceral hatred” towards his idol.
One or two, after scratching their heads for quite some time in a highly bewildered fashion, can only explain the critique of Clinton’s abysmal record by recourse to the concept of misogyny.
Others seem to see it all as some sort of diabolical conspiracy devised between the Left and Right fringes against a deeply-wronged woman with an exemplary record, while TheExtremist (at 20) takes a more magnanimous line, helpfully pointing out that we’re probably mistaken to see her as “the anti-Christ”.
Fear of Cognitive Dissonance seems to underpin all of this outrageously over-the-top delirium.
Awwwww, that was my one and only troll-like comment for the day and I haven’t even managed to get a bite yet. You’re no fun, you lot.
lol typing takes time
Best apology I’ve seen is this,
Besides, the people I know in the US who will vote Clinton because they have to, have a better anti-capitalist analysis and activism than much of what I see here (although to be fair, most of what I see here comes from CV and Chooky, so it’s not going to be hard to beat ).
The whole if you challenge pro-Trumpesque attacks on Clinton you must support Clinton is some of the laziest, dishonest debate I’ve seen on ts. Kind of weird seeing you indulge in that.
Swordfish is accurate with that assessment
It’s not indulging, it was pointing out the attitudes and events surrounding the on-going electoral discussions on this site
You managed only to point to CV and Chooky, when there are many others who have been at eachothers necks over this
Agendas….They’re all valid but they’re seldom honest!
Any analysis that lumps all of Clintons critiques on ts into a single group and says they were ‘simply’ doing something is bogus. Pity SF started with that, and given that CV has been pushing an agenda pretty hard that is anything but a simple analysis of warmongering and status quo, my response to them stands. This is the dishonest bit, where people feel the need to make out x or y. We could instead have had some debate that took us somewhere useful.
CV puts up a post saying that lots of people still support Trump because they’re disenfranchised by neoliberalism and often makes out that lefties (see, another prejudicial and unhelpful lumping of people) are stupid. Well duh to the first bit, it’s not rocket science, and the second bit is just stupid (but Trumpish).
But you are right, I’ve stayed out of it for the most part in the past few month or so, because I find the way the debate is being conducted unhelpful. I’m more interested in US anti-capitalist American activists and what their take is and why their fear of Trump far outstrips their fear of Clinton*. Anti-Clinton or Pro-Trump commenters here can make out that those people are [insert simple-minded insult of choice] but that’s just more of the bullshit.
The clock is ticking, time we grew up.
*and because this apparently needs SPELLING OUT IN BIG FUCKING BOLD, that statement isn’t a statement of support for Clinton, and it doesn’t mean that Trump voters don’t have genuine concerns. FFS.
Weka, you’re in the wrong place if you’re looking for inspirational debate, IMO
There are but a small handfull of commentators that seem to be genuinely interested in posting comments that are anything other than juvenile drivel point scoring
That some of the authors engage in the same through articles is in extremely poor taste in my opinion, while being somewhat an insight to the ‘average political enthusiast’
Again you single out CV but you fail to do the same to TRP who has an obvious agenda, and not a particularly positive one if the articles are areference point
The frustration you carry is understandable, but it’s an anonymous blog site so you get all angles along with ‘professional interference’
For sure there is some very good stuff gets written on this site, and there are some thoughtful commentators, but at best the tone will remain static or continue to regress, because that is the level of the ‘average person’
We can choose what we like and don’t like, but acceptance should always be neutral either way
+1 weka.
“The whole if you challenge pro-Trumpesque attacks on Clinton you must support Clinton is some of the laziest, dishonest debate I’ve seen on ts. “
A big call, but well said.
And a lovely troll it was too swordfish 🙂
One or two, after scratching their heads for quite some time in a highly bewildered fashion, can only explain the critique of Clinton’s abysmal record by recourse to the concept of misogyny.
Guilty as charged. Well, the first half of the sentence anyway.
My conclusion is: the hard hatted from both sides have spoiled their arguments by grossly over-egging them. For my part, the choice boils down to a mentally unstable lout and an establishment robot with a few hawk-like propensities. I have to go with the robot because at least there is a chance that commonsense, integrity and diplomacy will eventually win the day.
How about going with the lout, taking the chance that he won’t push the button, especially when he’s got *people* around him, and does have moments of lucidity from time to time? The guy’s certainly some kind of “…path”, for sure. He’s a total fucking fruit loop. But he does like talking. My bet is that he’s less of a chance of taking out another country than Clinton is. North Korea, for example. Clinton’s stuck to establishment rules. Trump’s a complete fuck up. But I think he’s less of a risk than Clinton when it comes to unnecessary loss of lives overseas.
No, I think what’s surprised me personally is how Clinton “critics” insist on inventing and recycling easily debunked lies about Clinton, be it concerning her career as a lawyer, her career as secretary of state, or the work of the Clinton Foundation (which has a very high rating on the amount of money that goes towards actual good deeds, and from which none of the Clintons receive any funds).
If Clinton were as bad as all that, you wouldn’t need to invent stuff.
Whereas Trump’s financial and personal behaviour is well-documented and often broadcast live.
Yeah it’s all ‘invented and debunked’
The mental gymnastics of some on this site is so twisted and confused it’s not readily apparant as being personal exposure or simply the words of those with very limited thinking capacity
Potentially one and the same
+1 on the mental gymnastics – I wrote that Clintonhaters invented easily debunked lies, not that all of it was invented.
There are good criticisms of Clinton, some criticisms that frankly might be true but over here we don’t have the information to call it either way, as stuff that I outright think is cynically invented.
Solid criticisms: Drone use, especially against US citizens (which adds an extra level of illegality). Although Trump wants to expand it to include innocent relatives.
Expansion of SOCOM’s activities throughout the world.
Use of the personal server – although it’s not the treason-level error some here seem to suggest. And Trump’s idea of a targeted political prosecution is outrageous.
Economic conservatism – although hopefully Sanders put enough of a firecracker under the DNC to shift her a bit. And Trump is much more economically 19th century.
Maybe:
Whitewater – no idea on the facts, but lawyers be lawyers.
How much she knew about WJClinton’s behaviour after the fact. I don’t give a shit about the affairs, including Lewinsky, but there is at least one solid rape allegation against him.
Invented:
the idea the Clintons had any role in the deaths of any of their assistants over the last 30 years. Vince Foster comes to mind, but ISTR another corpse some conservatives were wanking over.
Quid pro quo of state department decisions in return for donations to Clinton Foundation or speaking fees for WJC. In the few instances where that *might* have been a possibility, the state department decisions were in line with previous policy and decisions from other departments. Nobody bribes someone to make the decision they were going to make anyway.
HRC “aiding and abetting” WJC in some sort of serial rapist career.
Basically anything Trump says.
If she was going up against anyone except Trump, the solid and the maybes would be seriously damaging. As it is, even the invented slurs look (at worst) equivalent to a guy who owns a beauty pageant and walks in on 15yo girls getting undressed.
…in PMs case, accusing Clinton critics of exhibiting “visceral hatred” towards his idol.
It sounds like hyperbole, but that’s what it looks like to me when we have people referring to her as Killary, or implying that she’s murdered people who know the real truth about whatever the current right-wing Clinton smear de jeur is, or generally spouting deranged gibberish like “Hillary kickstarted the Syrian war” and “approved … the murder of children.” By American standards she’s a pretty liberal candidate – if you want a candidate left-wingers can be proud of, don’t look to the Democratic Party is all I can say.
Also, what McFlock said.
+100 swordfish…a very sensible comment
…depicting anyone not supporting Hillary as hate filled, there’s a word for that.
Most of the “support” for Hillary Clinton on this site is at the not-particularly-enthusiastic level of considering her the lesser of two evils. The only people I’m depicting as hating her are the ones who go on big rants about her, peddling right-wing talking-point smears, or accusing her of starting wars and having children murdered.
Is Hillary clean?
I’d be astonished if anyone could make it to the top in US politics and still be described as clean. What matters is whether investigations have ever uncovered anything concrete – they haven’t, and we’re talking about one of the most-investigated people on the planet. If anyone subjected you to that level of investigation for decades, how clean would you be at the end of it?
Can’t you Clinton fans see how much of a warmonger she is? It beggars belief that you can’t see past all her bullshit.
I don’t think anyone here is a Clinton fan. That’s just bullshit you invented. Anti-Trump doesn’t equal pro-Hillary
Well I guess anyone who think Hillary uses or has a black op for sarin is hardly going to be a Hillary supporter. But they sure are deluded, and probably think the CIA carried out 9/11.
The allegation is simply ridiculous crap. Even the Russians don’t believe it.
So no I don’t think Hillary is a crazed war monger, even if the rest of you do.
TheExtremist66 says, “I don’t think anyone here is a Clinton fan. That’s just bullshit you invented. Anti-Trump doesn’t equal pro-Hillary”
Wayne says, “So no I don’t think Hillary is a crazed war monger, even if the rest of you do.”
How do they fit together wayne? Mistake or deliberate because it was pretty basic to understand but I also get that sometimes comments are put in reply to the wrong person – I really hope that is the answer.
I don’t think Hillary is a crazed war monger, even if the rest of you do.
Stupid comment Wayne. I’ve been following the arguments on this site closely and the actual number of individuals describing Clinton in such terms is small – albeit their contributions have been prolific in number. The rest have tried to be fair and measured, and their contributions cannot be described as ridiculous crap even if one doesn’t agree with them.
There is no point trying rationalise it, Garibaldi
A number of commentators here are simply not up to an elementary level of logical and critical awareness that might assist them in life, let alone assessment and understanding through innate senses
‘Expecting’ reasonable dissemination from all but a small handul would be unrealistic
See, you’re doing dishonest too. The only way to characterise PM as a Clinton fan is to lie about him. Fuck that for political discourse.
“A number of commentators”
Generic slurs too. People need to man and woman up and take the fight to who they’re actually talking about
Weka I notice that you’re big on letting people know when they have taken your comments the wrong way and respond by ‘putting words in your mouth or interpreting your ‘thoughts’ incorrectly
That being said I would appreciate if you could explain your above response because you appear to have done that which you pull other up on when you feel that’s happened to you
So please explain my ‘ dishonesty’ and where the ‘generic slur’ is anything other than a factual observation
FYI. I’m not in ‘a fight’ that is not what I am about. The final comment is low grade projection!
+100 One Two and Garibaldi
+ 32.5% x -1.32 Chooky
Can’t you Clinton fans see how much of a warmonger she is?
Which Clinton fans are you addressing? I haven’t seen any enthusiastic Clinton supporters on the Standard.
Still, leaving that aside, how much warmongery should these hypothetical Clinton fans be recognising in her? Is it more or less than previous US presidents? Unless the answer’s “More by shitloads!”, it comes under the heading of “Meh.”
If you’re labouring under the delusion that a Democratic Party candidate for PotUS must be left-wing, please cease your labours. If they were, they wouldn’t be the candidate (for a recent example, see Bernie Sanders).
A revolution to democratise and transform the modern economy?
In the Keiser Report (second half) is a catch up with Kim Dotcom. In this discussion Kim Dotcom gives an update on his copyright court case which is going well for him
… and discusses his potentially revolutionary Bitcache and Mega Upload 2
…which will utilise and promote Bitcoin and make it easier for creative people to get some remuneration directly for their work
Episode 978
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/362334-uk-economy-bitcache-banks/
…”In the second half, Max talks to Kim Dotcom about Bitcache, a company for which he is an evangelist. They discuss bitcoin, bittorrents and copyright cartels”.
Y’all gotta see this:
Trump and Clinton duetting “I’ve had the time of my life” . . . . As ZH notes . . .”It may well be the best thing to come out of Tuesday’s debate . . .”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB2zoidUeLU&feature=youtu.be
Absolutely hillarious. Especially if you watched the actual “debate”.
(But the site may be overloaded at the moment . . . .)
lol…yes well worth watching!
I had that damn tune squirming around in my mind all day after watching that the other day (though it was indeed worth it). Be warned!
“(But the site may be overloaded at the moment . . . .)”
Im pretty sure Youtube has enough bandwidth that you dont need to worry.
Anne “safe pair of hands do nothing” Tolleys answer to poverty is to load the poor up with more debt by offering them loans for essential items which use to be provided by MSD/WINZ, is now going to be privatised.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/42-million-community-finance-boost-benefit-more-low-income-earners
Maybe the cunning plan for doing this is, it will impoverish them so much that they’ll just have to abandoned their home because they’ll not be able to afford to pay the rent! Then they’ll remove them from the benefit & Stat’s, which will improve the govt. unemployment data?!
The dismantling of the Social Contract with the NZ Government is and has been underway for sometime. First they dis-empowered the Social Welfare Act by stripping pretty much every entitlement from the Act and placing rediculous conditions in place as well as restricting a persons “Right” to support from the State to bare minimums. Less than an ordinary citizens ability to provide for themselves & family members.
This government has to go this time next year or sooner!
Interesting/worrying article that claims Trump is a fascist. No, really, literally a fascist. Goes through a 14 point checklist.
Also throws passing knocks to Clinton and the current US situation, but focusses on Trump.
Good read thanks. Where does the ‘Ur’ come from? (I haven’t read the Eco article)
I think it’s probably the German word, which is added to existing words to help differentiate the old meaning from the new. Kind of like quasi or neo.
ooo that’s my learning for the day 🙂
Every day’s a learning day at The Standard 😉
The German prefix ‘Ur-‘ if my memory serves me correctly means ‘Original, from the beginning’. Not quasi (pretend, as if) and more the opposite of ‘neo’ (new). Are we learning the right things?
Found the original Eco article.
Hurts my brain 🙂
Not sure why he calls it “Ur-fascism”. There’s a certain rhyming quality with “et-ER-nal”, of course, but my guess is that he is also referencing it with the ancient (extremely, one of the earliest known) city of Ur. That could just be me over-analysing it, of course, but it sort of emphasises the eternal nature of fascism.
Ur – is more to denote old or even ancient.
the City of UR has nothing to do with that.
Ur (root), a common root word in the Basque language. Ur (rune) (ᚢ), a letter of the runic alphabets. Ur-, a German prefix meaning “original or primitive”
Eco here:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
I really recommend it. It’s systematic in identifying the distinguishing features of a practised ideology (Eco was a semiotician) and helps get past all that “You’re Godwinning!” “Nah, you are!” nonsense.
Oh, snap, McF
And just like that….
https://twitter.com/mkarolian/status/785961405543436288
Authoritarianism of any strip is the enemy of the people. I remember an old lecturer doing a list of what is a fascist, and ironically enough the one person who fitted that list was Ronald Reagan. I find the comparison between Trump and Reagan to quite illuminating. I see I’m not alone thinking Trump is rally the true hair (pun intended) of R.Reagan.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/28/reagan-started-gops-fascism-destroying-america.html
Indigenous Peoples Day (or “Columbus Day” if you prefer to idolise genocidal slavers) in the USA:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/11/native-american-rights-protesters-hit-by-truck-nevada
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/arrests-made-at-st-anthony-protest-sites/article_ba8d2aab-cf9c-5fa1-a268-46661bb51966.html
I support the protesters but…
it was the agitators among the protesters that escalated and began the threatening language, banging on the vehicle and threatening to drag the driver out and “fuck him up”
so media being dicks and reporting one side once again, the drive was a dick but the protesters turned it into a situation.
longer video close up of the exchange, idiots on both side, hate crime my ass, Self indulgent arrogant wankers who place their rights above others, I’m talking about both parties.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/785798504534814722
Grim – you; “support the protesters but” then immediately blame them proking for the vehicular assault? Your proof for this is a link to a twitter account that posts a truncated portion of video alongside the comment (by someone who thinks Mel Gibson’s image lends his ramblings the precise air of class he deserves):
However, I can access online video too, and this 4:31s video puts the lie to your Very Australian Mate’s words. You can clearly see the white ute drive by at 0:14s “yelling obscenities,” exactly as Taylor Wayman said. They do not reappear again until the 2:50s mark – that is demonstrable premediatation.
https://www.facebook.com/100010016970938/videos/349103885433508/
Now I can’t hear them over the revving of the motor, but I’ll take Wayman’s word for it that the driver did say; “Do you want me to kill your homies?” I think we can all see why that “really set everybody off,”. Homicidal jerks around toddlers do tend to provoke a violent response in those being threatened.
Did the “protester” that leaned into the truck threaten the driver? yes or not?
was the “protester” in question a part of the actual protest?
Read what I wrote and don’t be so quick to defend the innocents, your white knight mentality is interfering with reason, and as I said
“Self indulgent arrogant wankers who place their rights above others, I’m talking about both parties.”
Both parties, I wasn’t attacking one side but both for their shared stupidity.
Did you watch the video I linked? if you did you would have clearly heard the driver being threatened, in your video did the protesters bang on the truck in a violent manner? you are being dishonest.
Here is a simple question, if you can’t answer it don’t reply
q: did the truck come to a full stop and after it stopped did the protesters threaten the occupants lives?
(hint re-watch the video I linked with the sound turned on then you will hear:
when one protest is shouting “do you want to fight me” and the other protester shouts “I’ll fuck you up” repeatedly, guy in the brown jacket then another shouts “I’ll tear you outa that car you little fuck” ) about the same time someone on a megaphone is telling the others to hold their ground.
Now if you re read what I wrote, I am anti pipeline, but question wether the agitator or “agent provocateur” was a member of the actual protest, was it so important to block one lonely truck? no, the only impact stopping one truck with 2 young idiots would have is if you turn it into an incident, are your fine with that tactic, endangering lifes because the end justifies the means, it stinks of manipulation, which is dishonest, but your ok with that are you?
I watched the 59s clip on the Very Australian Man’s twitter account. I am not impressed by your argument. This was premeditated vehicular assault as you’ll see if you bother to watch the 3:41s video I to which I linked.
Those around the white ute were indeed acting aggressively – but I would argue that was in response to a threat on their own and children’s lives. Wayman seems credible when he says; “I heard the driver ask one of the protesters, ‘Do you want me to kill your homies?’ and that really set everybody off,”…
Who intentionally drove a tonne-plus vehicle into a crowd that included children?
Who ended up in hospital?
Didn’t answer the question did you?
so what makes Wayman sound credible? he is not a member of the protest organization, an unaccountable individual with no history, or references.
At what time did the driver threaten to kill?
‘Do you want me to kill your homies?
that sounds like a reply to something already said, think about it. use some logic.
The only “witness saying that the driver threatened the protesters and this set off everyone… hmm if it set off everyone surely other protesters, and not just some random guy that turned up on the day who is not really part of the group… anybody from the actual organisation hear it, they must have if it really set them off and “justified” their behavour?
but no, we have 2 videos released showing opposing views, both must have come from the protesters, and supposed protesters, why release the conflicting videos? Tell me… what traction in social media would this protest on a deserted street have had if this incident wasn’t created? zero would you have posted a clip of a failed protest that had zero impact? no
Could you help me here is “I will fuck you up” escalating or deescalating language?
To repeat myself from yesterday:
The two videos do not show; “opposing views”, they were taken from different cameras and show different angles of the same events. Sure; “I will fuck you up”, is; “escalating language”. However, the protestors did not; ” block one lonely truck”, the driver of this vehicle actively sought out this confrontation.
I take it this is the question that you think I did not answer (or at least not in a way you could comprehend); “did the truck come to a full stop and after it stopped did the protesters threaten the occupants lives? “. I do not believe that it is accurate to say that the vehicle came; “to a full stop”. But if you want to test that then; next time you drive up alongside a police car at an intersection, rev your motor repeatedly and lurch forward several times into the pedestrian crossing and see what their opinion is of your driving (warning – do not actually do this!).
The remainder of your question is already answered this morning by my linking to the 3:41s video, and the statement: “Those around the white ute were indeed acting aggressively – but I would argue that was in response to a threat on their own and children’s lives”.
But while we’re on the topic of not answering question, let me repeat mine:
Who intentionally drove a tonne-plus vehicle into a crowd that included children?
Who ended up in hospital?
Here’s a hint:
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2016/10/10/driver-plows-through-reno-protesters-under-arch/91883894/
They did stop one lonely truck, any other vehicles on the road? no
what is the likely payoff from stopping a couple of idiots out for an evening drive? could be meth-heads or drunk, they have already indicated they are dicks
The smart thing to do would have been to deescalate the situation and give them some literature and allow them to pass, could have won over new supporters, did they act smart? no,
you may notice the people escalating the situation were safely beside the truck, not the real protesters.
Would I have placed loved ones in harms way? especially when there is no gain,
what were they thinking?
A sailboat may have right of way over an oil tanker, doesn’t make it smart to wear your righteousness as a shield and expect the tanker to stop for you.
You are so damned intent on defending and being the hero you fail to understand what I wrote, and have repeatedly tried to paint me as a villain to justify your attempts at being the true hero, grow up.
So no answer to my questions then? Another one is, what do you consider a; “real protester”, to be?
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2016/10/11/update-reno-arch-incident/91903256/
You are very quick to judgement on my motivations for posting, but I would remind you that you are responding to my comment and not the other way around. I have made no claims to me being a hero, nor you a villain (though I might make that claim about the Very Australian Man twitter account to which you linked).
Anyway, this thread has been giving me the venue to keep updating the situation for those interested without obtruding on today’s OM. I’m willing to keep it going as long as you are.
what do you consider a; “real protester”, to be?
A:
A member of the organization holding the protest,
How do we know Taylor Wayman is not an agent provocateur planted there to make the protesters look bad? or have another agenda?
Yes the truck guys did shout out obscenities, that is clearly heard in one of the videos, what is not heard is the threat to kill homies, or any mention of when exactly it was said, I find this strange as the incident was captured from at least to angles with good audio, when it suited.
So somehow the escalating language is not audible even though it set everybody off?
And the only witness mentioning the threat is not accountable and his actions don’t reflect directly on the organization, as he was a guy that just decided to turn up.
Contrariwise:
How do we know Taylor Wayman is not an alien shapeshifter planted there to mindcontrol the encounter? or have another agenda?
The answer to both questions is that; we consider the evidence. You have your opinion that these were not “real protesters”, and that they were somehow asking for it. I do not agree.
Let’s take your example of; “A sailboat may have right of way over an oil tanker, doesn’t make it smart to wear your righteousness as a shield and expect the tanker to stop for you”. If a protestor were to be picketing an oil operation and were run down in violation of the law, would you expect the relevant authorities to charge the captain of the oil tanker for that crime?
I don’t know how many protests you’ve attended. But in my experience; the most successful are those which inspire people who were not previously affiliated with the organisation to join in. We didn’t always get permission to protest either. It is the act of protesting that makes one a protester, not the documentation one possesses.
While we’re on the topic, I’d just like to point out that I think that the need to pay for permits to protest is a form of suppression of expression. I don’t much like the idea of free-speech zones and kettling either.
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2016/10/11/update-reno-arch-incident/91903256/
In this case it might have been appropriate for police to warn protestors off the road, and arrest those who didn’t comply (and face having the images of that put online – which might have been the intention). It is not appropriate for vigilante hoons to blatantly disregard the law and drive straight into the protestors having themselves deliberately chosen to provoke the confrontation.
It’s not like this is the only group ever to block the archway during a protest. Their error seems to be that there wasn’t enough of them – so thugs thought they could be intimidated with impunity. Look at this Black Lives Matter protest from July for contrast:
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2016/07/15/black-lives-matter-marchers-gather-unr/87158418/
good on Woodley. She apparently shouted out to the MSM when she was being arrested. Maybe they’ll take notice of a Hollywood star.
Here’s the vid, long, 4million views so far. “the riot police are arriving”
https://www.facebook.com/ShaileneWoodley/videos/624178791076838/
Background to this is that the court declined the Standing Rock injunction on the pipeline and released it on the eve of Indigenous Peoples’ Day.
Good news is that the federal authorities soon afterwards reiterated that they continue to oppose the pipeline passing under the lake. Very interesting approach in their statement,
http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/after-court-decision-feds-still-want-pause-in-dapl-construction/
And another Clinton scandal falls away in the sunlight:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/scandal-wikileaks-reveals-hillary-clinton-to-be–reasonable/2016/10/10/bbad509c-8f19-11e6-9c52-0b10449e33c4_story.html?postshare=2481476188001767&tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.6a67d7ed8dcb
Look, I don’t like her either. In fact, I can’t stand the woman and would have loved to see Bernie leading the way but conspiracy and invective isn’t going to change the fact she will more than likely become president and probably isn’t the anti-christ.
On the other hand, it will be fun watching the Repugs swallowing the lesson that continually smearing someone for 25 years results in that person being elected president.
“Repugs”. Great name
credit to RedLogix (I think)
A mayor for the people?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11726197
Good luck to him, hope he manages what he sets out to do, will be watching him with interest.