Yes it is hardly inspiring having negative views from Mike. His attacks on Cunliffe are very much over the top and are ‘his’ opinion. Let us see if he gives David Parker the same grief over his stupid notion of continuing the raising of the retirement age policy. For goodness sake calling for a referendum will only drive further supporters away.
His comments are telling: Mike Williams seems to be working for Grant Robertson. He is never away from a microphone, so the coming weeks will reveal who his candidate is. Certainly, not David Cunliffe.
Not initially, as I recall. But he came round to supporting Cunliffe eventually – maybe when it became evident a Cunliffe leadership was pretty inevitable?
I seem to remember the turning point for Williams in the last leadership campaign was when Karen Price didn’t have her membership card and someone tried to bar her from attending the campaign meeting in Dunedin.
Interesting that’s what swayed him. He wrote about it in the newspaper.
Hooten the self-professed alcoholic? 2-3 bottles of red wine a night up to a month before the last election? What boozy affairs those bbq’s must have been… in vino veritas may of been a risk for Cunners.
um, I asked for a link on the basis of the twitter exchange post, but the one about Matthew’s drinking was not visible at the time. I also think it’s irrelevant.
I think Hooton commented on ts that he had given up drinking. Good on him.
@MatthewHootonNZ
@Raindance_33 haven’t touched alcohol or other drugs for 10 days
11:08 PM – 30 Aug 2014
@MatthewHootonNZ
@jadelta7 I am fine. I gave up alcohol two weeks ago and I think that is what @johnkeypm was referring to.
8:28 PM – 1 Sep 2014
@MatthewHootonNZ
@farleftandproud I think @johnkeypm was talking about my alcoholism which I discussed on Facebook after giving up drinking 2 weeks ago
Fiona McDonald @FiMcD Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ hmm didn’t mean that in a gloomy way! Statistics are grim that’s all. The best thing I ever did was give up, v happy 4 you!
M@MatthewHootonNZ
@FiMcD yep, no gloom angle taken. Have heaps of support this time
7:04 AM – 2 Sep 2014
David Tong @Davidxvx Sep 1
. @MatthewHootonNZ @farleftandproud @johnkeypm Okay, all else aside – congratulations on giving up the booze! That’s a hard road.
@MatthewHootonNZ
Thank you @Davidxvx, best decision I’ve ever made. @farleftandproud @johnkeypm
Matthew Hooton @MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@MitchellAndr 2-4 bottles of red wine a day
Matthew Hooton @MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@Olivefarmer @pohutukawa Of course it is not all about me. But @johnkeypm said I was lying and had personal problems so I had to respond.
@Olivefarmer Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ @pohutukawa @johnkeypm Mathew you pop up everywhere…just rest,take a breather let the spotlight shine where it should..
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@Olivefarmer @pohutukawa @johnkeypm But I love politics and in a strange way even enjoying watching this awful campaign
@Olivefarmer Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ @pohutukawa @johnkeypm You have an addiction …..just Tai Hoa
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
Yes @Olivefarmer, dropping one addiction – booze – but can’t do a second – politics – at the same time! @pohutukawa @johnkeypm
@MitchellAndr Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ How much did you drink?
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@MitchellAndr 2-4 bottles of red wine a day
@CnrJoe
@MatthewHootonNZ @MitchellAndr an ‘addiction’? or a real strong habit?
Reply to @MatthewHootonNZ @MitchellAndr
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@CnrJoe @MitchellAndr whichever
@CnrJoe Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ @MitchellAndr good grief – wat happens if u go frm strength 2 strength? p.m?
Thank you for your interest in my alcoholism. Now close to two months without a drop. Even more sure than when I sent these tweets that it is the best decision I ever made.
Matthew Hooton’s political judgement is often crappy. When he’s like that he just talks rubbish, he’s a man with no common sense or insight, silly as a wet hen – and many of us feel a powerful need to shout the self-evident truth at him.
But sometimes Matthew Fucking Hooton gets it right and when he does that he makes a little bit of room in our hearts for him.
Recognising that alcohol is a problem and doing something about it is getting it right.
The attacks against Cunliffe are a proxy attacks against the membership and the democratic changes made at the November 2012 Labour Party conference. William’s is one of the Labour Party power elite who lost some power, and he, like the rest of these arse-holes are fighting back.
I’m fairly neutral in my response to Little’s qu & a. He seemed to be saying many of the general things that people on the left and right of the Labour Party say.
Nothing really new or inspiring; nothing that upset me.
He sounds like a very good manager. But a managerialist approach is very much part of the “neoliberal” MO.
I found the managerial thing interesting. Might be what’s needed to clear out the dead wood. However I found myself having to try and read between the lines alot. Some of that I’ll put down to first time in Q and A online with the likes of us. Some of it because he’s not leader yet and so can’t preempt what Labour wants (eg policy). Some of it the same old shit of holding cards close to ones chest. I’ll be interested to see what he’s like if he does another Q and A at some point.
@ just saying …”I’m curious to know what others thought of Little’s performance yesterday. Those that haven’t already said.”
I didnt even bother to read Little’s Q@A…the fact that Michelle Boag has endorsed him, says it all for me…(weasel words are easy)
…and how successful has Little been as President of the Labour Party?….not very!…it is fractured and non cooperative….maybe Little has been waiting in the wings for his big chance?
…i support David Cunliffe…and hope he hangs in there , despite the calls for him to resign!…in my opinion the attacks against a real Labour Party offering a viable alternative to Nactional are continuing unabated
…the right wing are just using Labour MPs and Williams to do the attacks for them…it is a battle for the soul of the Labour Party…and the grassroots members MUST win this battle
Andrew Little praises the Labour Party democratic process;
Mr Little admits the leadership contest is getting pretty crowded but said it was good for the party. Radio NZ News
But then in a complete turn around, asks the front running candidate David Cunliffe to step aside;
“I know this will be a very difficult choice for David, but I think in the best interests of the party, and for himself, he should step aside and make way for a contest between whoever is lined up when nominations close at the end of tomorrow.” Radio NZ News
With this statement Andrew Little is echoing the Right Wing demand, made immediately after the election, that David Cunliffe step down without a contest.
Notably, Andrew Little has not asked right wing contenders David Parker, or Grant Robertson to step aside.
That Andrew Little seeks the undemocratic recall of the main Left Wing Contender through bureaucratic means, and not an open contest is not a good sign.
In my opinion these contradictory statements signal three things;
First, that Andrew is very personally ambitious for himself,
Second, that Andrew is seeking an accomodation with the Right.
And third, that he favours back room bureaucratic methods over democracy.
I will put the acid on Little to front up regarding getting rid of deadwood when I’m in Wellington later this week. Any ‘snake oil’ won’t wash infront our hard nosed group, especially considering we endored DC publicly last time and may well do so again if we don’t like AL’s speak on a number of issues.
Skinny, will you be able to talk about that conversation publicly? It does seem to be the crucial factor in the whole mess.
Little said this yesterday,
“That’s something I have a lot of experience in. As the leader of the EPMU for 11 years, I undertook a careful and strategic reshaping of the union to turn it into a campaigning organisation that engaged powerfully with the public on the big issues”
Do you have more detail on this, how he was in that job, what kinds of things he did? eg is he likely to have the skills and strength to deal with the ABCs/neoliberal/Rogernome issue (however it’s called)?
did he have hire/fire power at epmu, cos i dont think he has that power over caucus? if he can force resignations, that take effect next election, if they are in electorate seats, and can get list dissenters toresign now, it makes me wonder how cunliffe and shearer didnt/couldnt?
Ok, clearly you haven’t got any understanding how a modern union works or why campaigning is not PR. In answer to another question I gave the 5 in 05 campaign as an example. There, the Little led EPMU pushed for a 5% rise for not only their own members, but all workers. They campaigned, we all won. That’s not PR, that’s union organising.
it might be because he, like others is talking in sound bites and lip service rather than substance. like the party itself i am struggling to work out who these guys stand for.
i have read the lp vision etc… but then they came out in favour of nzf… which made a mockery of their progressive label, imo.
i dont get the impression thatlittle thinks the leadership is anyones business but caucus. of course he is not alone in this. i sense he is promising us a lp that represents at least 15% of those who voted national…
it doesnt appear that any candidate is prepared to say who the LP actually stands for, although parker seems to allude to the 15% who voted national that might come back if they are right enough. 15% is my plucked figure based on them getting close to 40% of the vote.
lip service and bs so far from little, parker and robertson, imo. cunliffe quite rightly doesnt have to say anything cos the last year sees him rise or fall.
“..it is a battle for the soul of the Labour Party…and the grassroots members MUST win this battle..”
..indeed..!
..if they don’t labour faces a future as a rump/nz first-like party..
..labours’ longterm life/health is in representing the disenfranchised million + who didn’t vote because labour..(as the main opposition party) had s.f.a. for them..except a raise in the age they cd retire..(!)..
..(i still claim you cd track the steps in the drop in labour support that happened every time after parker popped up to tell nz workers they were going to work longer/older..
..i..here at home..wd say to ‘the boy’..you wait and see..labour will drop again in the next poll..and yep..!..we all know they did..).
..and there is one fact that couldn’t paint clearer how ratshit labours’ policies were..
..colin craigs’ far-right conservative party had policies that wd have helped the poor..more than labour did..
The attacks against Cunliffe are a proxy attacks against the membership and the democratic changes made at the November 2012 Labour Party conference
Well said. Pinning the election loss on Cunliffe is completely unfair and quite stupid. Cunliffe worked extremely hard and tried to support the caucus and membership along. The election loss was due to many factors not in the control of Cunliffe. In my opinion, all of Labour should put their complete support behind Cunliffe but make any other necessary changes as revealed by the ‘review’ that is in progress.
Yes, I cringed when I heard his ‘expert’ comment. One would think he, like some of the caucus ‘seniors’, would have had better sense. A shocking set of stupid nincompoops!
For goodness sake I can think of a number of things which are in the interest of the Labour party and Cunliffe not running is not one of them.
I have got to the point where I think that the process used to elect the leader needs to occur to elect the deputy leader.
Parker put it in a nut shell, people, policy and presentation is what wins an election. I would like to add that being loyal to the party leader is under the control of caucus and that I expect the caucus to be loyal to their democratically elected leader.
Suggesting that Cunliffe steps aside in the interest of the Labour party is un – democratic.
The infighting has to stop, because everyone in caucus are being undermined and are being distracted. It is not hard to see why any leader Labour has had in the last 6 years does not last.
..they are like a seriously dysfunctional hillbilly family..
..you cd almost build a reality-telly show around them:
..starring cunliffe the cunning:..is he really all he seems..?..or is it too good to be true..?..you be the judge..
…blokey gay-guy robertson..did he go to acting-school for voice-training..?..and cd he be more ‘blokey’ when he tries..?
..’posey’ parker – retired hall-monitor…could he be more of a prefect..?..and if you lived in a flat with him…he wd use different coloured maker-pens to record the levels in/of ‘his stuff’ in the fridge..(you just know he wd..)
..’lizard-lips’ little – gurning rightwing unionist trying to pretend he isn’t..rightwing..could anyone fit more ‘urm’s..um!’s..ah!’s into a sentence..?..has the guinness book of world records been informed of his prowess in this area..?..
..and ‘bennys on a hot tin roof” shearer…the original fumbler/mumbler..carrying his faint hope of being revived from the dead..
cunliffe is smart, eloquent, has name recognition, does not require yet another leadership change.
given a fair go by the media and the caucus he will win in 2017 against this mob who have already been found out on the rock star economy, and are now selling off state houses without mentioning this at the election
Not bad! Very good in fact! Don’t forget other fringe characters inside and outside the party.
[It is an indictment on some of the stupid, disloyal, self centred, nasty caucus that we the ‘supporters’ of Labour are writing these sorts of comments now]
The nominations for leader close tomorrow which is a good thing.
I am aware of being critical about the infighting because I would like this to be conducted in private (leadership challenge) and realise that some members are worse than others. Your last paragraph is good feed back.
As for the review of the election result this is in the interest of the voters.
Did he say that on radio! I can’t believe that! Oh dear. How stupid.
I think those that want Cunliffe to ‘step aside’ in the interest of the party should themselves ‘step aside’ and ‘leave’ in the interest of the Labour party.
If he did say that about a candidate that is standing for ELECTION, then that is both stupid and unfair. So, why have an election at all?
Besides, he is being unwise because what happens if Cunliffe wins?
Not at all. Both are concerned with manipulating outcomes of democratic elections. The only circumstantial difference is your liking or disliking of the effected parties.
His refusal this morning (Morning Report, Radio NZ) to agree that he was standing ‘against’ the other candidates. It’s a subtle distinction, but important. He is putting himself forward because he thinks he can do a better job, not that he considers the others cannot also do a good job. Clever
His insistence this morning (Morning Report, Radio NZ) that Labour must aim for 50% of the vote (not sure of exact words). No mention of other parties. Not even a thought to a ‘Labour Led Government’
This is an MMP environment. At the very least, I would have hoped that the candidates for Labour Leadership would have got their head around that by now. It’s a time when the voters expect and want strong coalitions. Why on earth does Labour appear to consider the Greens a partner reluctantly? Why on earth does Andrew Little have so much antagonism to Mana? What policies do the Greens and Mana have that are presumably so opposed to Labour philosophy? Or is this really just a personal power trip?
I feel a bit like I’m reading “best bets’ or the old ‘turf digest’.
But enjoying the updates and your reading of the various horses’ ‘form’, Boldsirbrian.
My current theory about the antagoism to Mana is that it’s the old guard who still don’t quite get MMP. They think it’s about power plays not co-operation. Kind of understandable for the ones that have spent their whole political careers having to watch out where the knives are.
They’re only just getting their heads around working with the GP to form govt (after how many years? nearly 2 decades now), and even some like Parker still don’t get it. So Mana are the ones with the potential to distrupt things even further, better to stomp on them and squash them when you get teh chance. God forbid they should be kingmakers at some point.
I also suspect that Mana’s policies and kaupapa make many in Labour very uncomfortable, given that Mana seem to have genuine left wing policies. If you betray your constituency and they reject you and then someone else comes along and starts talking to them in ways that address their needs, then it’s going to be unpleasant.
I think that both the Green Party and Mana are unpopular with wider voting public, and the fact that Labour apparently can’t govern without coalescing with one or both of them is putting many people off voting Labour. I think this is why the party tends to distance itself from these parties.
I agree. It seems that many deem it to be shameful to be seen standing up for the most deprived in the community, especially those not working. I think it was a sad day when Hone was voted down and I am really sad that so many people are of the view that Hone sold out to KDC. It seems that money going to the Tory side is considered to be “clean” while money going to progressive causes is “dirty”.
In addition, I cannot understand why Labour went to such lengths to distance itself from other parties which were basically on the “same side” of politics. That made no sense to me! Maximise the party vote by all means but not by diminishing potential allies to the point that makes a stable coalition look nearly impossible.
Labour needed to be in coalition to form a government. It needed to emphasise the common policies and the harshest thing it should have said about potential coalition partner policy is that more controversial policies would have to be subject to compromises depending on the distribution of the progressive vote among the various parties in the potential coalition. “We will be part of the progressive coalition which will be your government.
“If you prefer our policy to that of the other coalition members then vote for us so that we can get our version through.”
I would like to see the progressive parties meeting to work out areas in which they can co-operate and even pool resources to reach the non-voters, etc including deliveries of material, etc.
Labour needed to be in coalition to form a government. It needed to emphasise the common policies and the harshest thing it should have said about potential coalition partner policy is that more controversial policies would have to be subject to compromises depending on the distribution of the progressive vote among the various parties in the potential coalition. “We will be part of the progressive coalition which will be your government.
“If you prefer our policy to that of the other coalition members then vote for us so that we can get our version through.”
This.
I’m now thinking that it’s the personal shortcomings of Labour caucus MPs that prevent them from seeing how to change the narrative and communicate how left wing governments are going to work from now on. They’re probably incapable cognitively of thinking this through. That sounds very patronising, but how can Parker still be going on about Labour on 50%? even if they get out the non-vote, some of those voters are going to vote GP and IMP (probably proportionally).
Very disappointed that Norman is doing this anti-IMP shit too.
I would like to see the progressive parties meeting to work out areas in which they can co-operate and even pool resources to reach the non-voters, etc including deliveries of material, etc.
The parties that begin to understand the links between poverty and non voting, and to take steps to address this in practical ways, stand to win big-time. One million potential voters.
This is a discussion that we need to have, if there is to be any real change.
The sooner labour excepts that they need to team up with the greens the better. And you people that are still in denial that the shamozzel caused buy the internet mana in this election helped gift key another 3 years need to wake up.
The deadwood MP’s are going to play a tricky game with the members during this contest. They will either bloc vote their first choice of either Robertson or Parker but not splitter their vote. Their second vote the same. They will be gauging which one has the most support from the members and pull in behind the one that has the most. They won’t be fussed which one as long as it’s not DC or Little.
The Maori caucus have been entrusted with a solid return of the Maori vote, they can not squander and dilute their vote and repay the faith put into them. They ‘must’ ban together behind the candidate who will serve them best and back up the second vote down to the last. They need to get out to their LEC’s and get a consensus/mandate to bloc vote and use the very strong bargaining position they now have to ensure Labour represents the poor with sound Left policies. A non-negotiable rejection of the retirement age policy is a must, along with any other policy that is not to their advantage.
Relax mate even us casual observers can tell you that: Shearer, Parker and Robertson are most approved by the corporate media. Cunliffe and Little are least.
Oh my god. Political debate has descended so far south that the penguins appear to be playing with the polar bears.
According to your suggestion we do not have to even try and understand what any of the candidates are saying, what they believe, what policies they support, what policies they do not support; their leadership abilities, their ability to unify the caucus, their ability to present a vision to the electorate or to give a reason for wanting Labour.
Nah. Just “relax mate”! For f. sake. Sounds like a John Key “I’m comfortable with that”
Colonial Rawshark, as a “casual observer” recommends just following the opinions of “corporate media”. Apparently “corporate media” either know all, or know nothing.
Actually I think CV’s suggestion was to NOT follow corporate media. It’s not that they know all or nothing, it’s that they have an agenda that is not supportive of the left.
Of course. Which was the point of the final paragraph. Just follow the opinions of corporate media. Then decide what label you are, left or right (no alternatives provided) and then you are able to decide whether corporate media know all or know nothing. Politics for dummies. Real dummies.
Thank you for your reply, clarifying that the differences between your favoured candidate, David Cunliffe, and “all the others, neo-libs” ……..is all smoke and mirrors.
A puff of hot air.
All based on hope! …. “I would hope a universal basic income” “I would hope a financial transaction tax”
Lets face it. You have NO idea about what any of the candidates will do. No references that provide any justification about what anyone will definitely support or not support
You cannot even define any of the “neo-lib/fuck-the-poor! policies” that you find so detestable.
Just a load of adding “progressive” to who you hope will win, and adding “neo-lib” to who you hope will not win. “Progressive” and “Neo-lib” mean nothing more than that to you, do they?
And finally I was not jesting about my last query. Your abbreviations are always annoying, but I can usually comprehend. I still do not know what the “pi” stands for. Perhaps it will be obvious in hindsight. But when I do not know something, and say that I do not know it, I generally mean it.
+ 1 Phillip
I am beginning to think Boldasbrian may be a rightwing troll pretending to espouse labour/mana ideas but only in order to disrupt dialogue.
I am beginning to think Boldasbrian may be a rightwing troll pretending to espouse labour/mana ideas but only in order to disrupt dialogue.
Let’s look at that must influential right wing arsehole, Whaleoil. His 101 course says “Stay away from debating policy, ideas, and simply go on the attack. Sex if you can, but if that is missing, a good old ad hominem attack will suffice.
Brian, not sure where you are going with all this exactly, but it is generally agreed that DC and AL are to the left of the other three in terms of traditional left wing politics. People have said recently that Robertson is left wing too, but how I interpret that is that he is the most left of the neoliberals rather than being left itself – so he supports many single issue left wing policies, but I don’t see him intending to take the party left.
But you are right, it is very difficult to find these things out. Little managed to call himself left the other day but couldn’t bring himself to call Labour a left wing party. All the candidates appear to be equivocating and not really saying what they think or believe or what they will do. We’re still waiting on DC to take some actions that will swing the partly left again, but I suspect it’s a vain hope. I agree with Bill’s analysis on this, that unless DC plays hardball with the ABCs and demotes people, we’re just going to have BAU.
btw, I don’t usually read phil’s posts because of the … so I may be missing some context.
You do know what the word usually means right? Because I’m about to use it again.
I have a go at your fundamentalist vegan comments sometimes, but any other comments I make are usually because I’ve read people’s responses to you. I rarely read your comments initally and almost never read the long ones, I just scroll on through, all day, every day.
Besides which, you comment so much that even if I moaned at you once a day that’s still a very small percentage of comments I would have to have read. Given I also comment a lot I think you will find that I don’t talk with you much at all relative to how much I say things.
So what’s this reallly all about? You don’t like that someone has said they don’t read your comments because of your use of punctution so you make up shit about them? 🙄
“So what’s this reallly all about? You don’t like that someone has said they don’t read your comments because of your use of punctution so you make up shit about them? ”
It’s possible your voting views are the same now as when you began, while all the parties have skipped, slipped, shuffled, stepped or leaped to “the right”
mana/ imp emerged to fill the vacuum that was left
Dude, maybe telling the Maori caucus they “must” do things is kinda offensive? They aren’t the brown Borg. Rino Tirikatene nominated Grant Robertson – he seems to think Grant is the best option. Other Maori MPs will have different views, and that’s ok.
No it is not it is a wasted opportunity to have a real say within the party, splitting their vote is plan dumb. Where is the consultation with the people that put him there?
If the Maori caucus have different views on the leadership, then that’s ok. Maori within the party have different views on the leadership. As I say, not the brown Borg.
I’m sure Rino has consulted about this decision – I’m sure he’s been pretty fiercely lobbied to support Grant by a big chunk of his Wellington based membership, and I’m sure other people have had conversations with him about other possible leaders. But he has free agency and isn’t just a prop in your political game, and has made his mind up. I think that deserves respect, not some patronising and vaguely racist “dumb” comment.
Maori have their own seats and collectively need to maintain a position that best benefits the collective. You only have to look at the policy platform that Labour ran. No specfic economic development policy for Maori. I had a Maori MP bemoaning this very fact to me. You would naturally expect Mahuta and some other Maori MP’s will have learnt the lesson of the split from Labour that saw the formation of the Maori & Mana Party. It’s is not a racist issue. It is a bargaining tool of representing your ‘overall constituency’ to get the best deal possible for the people who have the worst statistic’s of neo liberalism. United you stand, and as history showed Maori electorate MP’s, divided you beg and suffer a revolt from the Maori voters.
Surely labour Māori MP’s are first labour MP’s and are beholden to labour and generally (apart from Tariana) toe the party line even if they may personally disagree with it. This is why someone will moan behind closed doors but not publicly about the lack of specific policies to address inequality affecting many Māori or your example of ‘no specific economic development policy for Māori’.
Whichever leader they personally vote for is irrelevant apart from their personal preference – the leader chosen will be the leader they follow.
Parker wants to stay on as interim leader, however the other candidates will force him aside. So it is King who will takeover, unless she stands too, which would add another round of laughs.
Labour has done a fine job of selling the democratic virtues of their new way electing a leader; it rolls off the tongue to say that 40 percent of the outcome is determined by rank and file members. But whose democratic interests does it really serve?
In 1980, the Labour Party in Britain similarly gave party members a say in the leadership; but, as Tony Blair points out, the reforms lacked “any appreciation of the vital necessity of ensuring that, as well as MPs or leaders being accountable to the Party, the Party was accountable to the electorate”.
Given its paltry membership, Blair goes on, UK Labour “became prey to sectarian groups from the Ultra-Left”, a decent explanation for why the party remained in opposition for seventeen years after “empowering” members.
I endorse all that Tim Watkin has to say.
The above quote is about the UK.
The same applies in New Zealand.
Fuck Tony Blair. “Ultra-left” indeed. Lackey of transnational banking and oil interests. Part of the history of why UK Labour has a “paltry membership.” Because it suits a party elite consolidate its power over a political machine.
I see he is now doing standups in Palestine, as part of the refinancing of the reconstruction of Gaza and the “peace process”. The irony.
I do not have much time for Tony Blair either. But I rarely paint all the opinions of anybody in black or white. I think Dirty John is perhaps our most obnoxious politician. But I sure as hell rate the ways he is dealing with MMP and coalition partners a lot higher than any of the Labour Leadership candidates appear to be doing at the moment.
I will certainly not defend Blair on banking and oil interests. His record on taking Britain into war. And whatever you say he is now doing in Palestine.
They are however nothing to do with the comment I made.
Your reply, trying to discredit an opinion by Tim Watkin about Labour Party methods of electing a leader, by the disgraceful actions of Tony Blair in the Middle East, is almost bizarre. But then Whaleoil has infused our political debate in an insidious manner.
I had a few friends in the UK Labour Party. Their complaint about Blair was that under his watch the UKLP became very authoritarian and dictatorial.
Tony Blair’s way of engaging with the electorate and getting them onside, is actually about engaging with the MSM and getting the MSM onside. Blair was always a favourite with the MSM long before he became leader (I was living in England at the time).
Many people left the UK LP under Balir’s watch because it became so authoritarian.
That’s a fair call, karol. Authoritarian and dictatorial aint nice.
The MMP environment in New Zealand may help. If people walk from Labour on the basis of Leadership style rather than policy differences, they may simply walk to the Greens or Mana. Which would not concern me at all.
But the issue of Blair’s authoritarian style, is not quite the main point that I saw in Tim Watkin’s article in “Pundit”: With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups? And the point he made, that while the membership may be given a large vote, the membership are not directly accountable to the electorate.
Are the Labour Party members demanding the Leader wear a large steel ball on his leg, as he is told to swim from one election to the next?
I do not have the full answer. I’m not totally convinced of my own position. The Greens for example appear to live in perfect harmony with flowers and nature, and yet have, potentially, the same issues. How does it work for them so well?
With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups? And the point he made, that while the membership may be given a large vote, the membership are not directly accountable to the electorate.
The first sentence is even more applicable to the Labour Party caucus.
The MPs require an active membership base in order to engage with the electorate. Without that, it is mainly the MPs talking to the electorate via the distorting mechanism of the MSM.
Are the Labour Party members caucus demanding the Leader wear a large steel ball on his leg, as he is told to swim from one election to the next?
The first sentence (With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups) is even more applicable to the Labour Party caucus.
The numbers are obviously smaller, so it would appear so. But the big difference is that the caucus are more directly accountable to the electorate. Sharpens the mind, when your job is on the line.
(depending on how representative the Labour membership is of the voters that the Party is trying to attract)
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The MPs require an active membership base in order to engage with the electorate. Without that, it is mainly the MPs talking to the electorate via the distorting mechanism of the MSM.
There is a big assumption here. (That I have referred to in my reply to Olwyn (6.3.1), and was the main point of the article by Tim Watkin in the Pundit: How representative are the Labour members of the electorate? Especially with a small membership?
My own experience with Labour members at an electorate level, suggests that Labour members are a thoroughly nice lot of people, but definitely a unique group of people. If MPs relied only on this group of people “to engage with the electorate” they would be dog tucker before lunch time.
You have put up an alternative, in which you suggest the other main way the MPs can engage with the electorate are through the MSM. Yeah, that is one way, but as we know from the last election, if they relied only on this group of people, they would be dog tucker before morning tea.
The truth is that a good MP will be meeting voters in the electorate as part of the job, every day. Meeting members of the Party will be a very important part of that process. And so will listening to the MSM. And so will attending meetings of local groups, door knocking, attending public events etc. It’s a full time job. That can be done well, or poorly. Can they filter out the bullshit? Even more difficult, can they listen to criticism, and take on board what is fair criticism? And harder still, adapt to that fair criticism?
And the smart parties use technology. Drum roll Kim Dotcom, obviously …. but as far as web presence is concerned, I do not know that the Greens could be trumped. And the master of them all, drum roll (of all people), Dirty John, the master of the POLL. The Nats have no philosophy, but adapt the flavour of this weeks announcements to what David Farrar tells them is concerning the voters most in the last week. There is something missing here, surely ….but, hell, it is mightily effective. At least at knowing what is on the public’s mind. I can surely assert with 101% confidence, that the information is a zillion times more valuable than listening only to the Party members.
(Just tell me WHY Dirty John has suddenly hopped on board his form of an interest in poverty?)
The Greens for example appear to live in perfect harmony with flowers and nature, and yet have, potentially, the same issues. How does it work for them so well?
The Greens DO NOT tolerate dissent at all. They squash it and force members to follow the official line. In fact, few of those members ever dare to open their mouths, because the Green Party is under the firm control of its leadersship.
The questions is: for how long? Electoral defeats like the last one cannot be neither pleasing nor kept away from Green supporters.
He’s probably referring to David Hay who challenged Norman’s leadership in an election year, and did various things to undermine the party. He got suspended for a year.
The Green Party members I know are not at all like the ones you describe.
Then again, perhaps your idea of “dissent” is cretinous denial of scientific evidence or something. After all, you exhibit so little self-awareness in your choice of pseudonym.
But the issue of Blair’s authoritarian style, is not quite the main point that I saw in Tim Watkin’s article in “Pundit”: With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups?
I love how you are ducking and weaving from the obvious. You accept that Blair was highly authoritarian in his control over the party. You accept that Blair’s moral and economic legacy are pro-war and pro-corporates.
Yet you still stand by Blair’s quotes about the necessity of party democracy and being accountable to ordinary people when history makes it crystal clear that he is only spinning lines and believes in no such thing himself.
I love how you are ducking and weaving from the obvious
I love how you appear as an irritating little fly, asking to be swatted.
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You accept that Blair was highly authoritarian in his control over the party. You accept that Blair’s moral and economic legacy are pro-war and pro-corporates.
I am willing to accept propositions such as you have asserted. They are all possible, but totally irrelevant to what we were discussing. My main criticism of Blair relate to his actions in taking the UK into war on evidence that appears to have been a lie. Again, this is totally irrelevant to what we were discussing.
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Yet you still stand by Blair’s quotes about the necessity of party democracy and being accountable to ordinary people when history makes it crystal clear that he is only spinning lines and believes in no such thing himself.
I’m always wary of other people’s interpretations of what has been said, when the actual words are available. The tactic may work in verbal debates, but I’m buggered if I’m going to be fooled into “standing by” your interpretations.
The words that Tim Watkin wrote in his Pundit article, and I reproduced were:
Given its paltry membership, Blair goes on, UK Labour “became prey to sectarian groups from the Ultra-Left”, a decent explanation for why the party remained in opposition for seventeen years after “empowering” members.
Now this has nothing to do with Blair’s authoritarian style; it has nothing to do with his “pro-wars” and his “pro-corporates”.
Blair made a comment that UK Labour “became prey to sectarian groups from the Ultra-Left”. Tim Watkin said that was a “decent explanation for why the party remained in opposition for seventeen years after “empowering” members”
And I agree with Tim Watkin’s assessment, that it was a decent explanation.
Now you can avoid the point of the article by introducing debates about all sorts of red herrings as long as you like. But if you have any concerns about the possibility of New Zealand Labour going through 17 years of opposition – as I do – then I think the issue of that ‘decent explanation’ needs serious consideration
What a wonderful post. What comes first is the vision, then the policies. The vision is paramount. You also accurately refer to it as “what they stand for”.
Everything else you say is spot on.
Labour presumably has a vision. It will be tucked away on a web page somewhere. It probably needs dusting off to see the light of day, considering everyone I speak to says that Labour seemed to “not know what the hell they were all about themselves”.
It certainly never saw the light of day during the election. The election appeared to be more about scoring points off Key, and reacting to events, rather than setting the agenda.
It’s not rocket science. And fortunately it is not too hard to fix. The harder part seems to be accepting that it is indeed a problem.
Blair gave an impression of fresh-faced youthful naive keenness for a better society, an open, cheerful face that seemed to offer the promise of a new and better direction.
We need someone to invent special glasses that we can put on when looking at pollies that accentuates the small indications in their expressions to show the real character. Sort of like our own personal cartoonist – one of Terry Pratchett’s imps in a box perhaps.
And we could have a special voice tone gadget as sound techs use, that would be like a worm on the speaker, not for the reaction. That would shoot up and down to match the subterfuge level and a lie would go sky high, and a false promise ring a bell, loudly. We can’t trust ourselves and our own brains to do this obviously, after this recent election.
And perhaps we need to sit a basic test about government, the financial state of the country, our unemployment figures, and how our stats record these, before we can vote. We don’t let children or teenagers vote. But they may be more informed than many of us, and probably would make as good choices!
(On reported stats note Mike Joy, environmental scientist on Radionz talking to Kathryn Ryan this morning, taking the MoE and local bodies to task for formulating a populist, simple and false summary from a technical document on the state of our waterways, not indicated by the data at all, which in its turn is only for the last ten years which should be 15 to get a full picture of the decline of our water quality. Also note he says that Taranaki is the worst area. I think they had 77 monitoring sites but only reported data from 11.
You have to listen and try and understand to this, to be an informed citizen. I think a test should be a necessity before being able to vote. People whose heads only understand computer games moves, sporting details, tv personalities opinions and what their best friend did to make their car go faster should be left on Planet Zero.)
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Phil Quinn is a floating piece of polystyrene. Goes anywhere the tide takes it and can never be sunk. As far as I can see that is. Just from looking at his past history. He makes his money from being a mouth with things to say that might create interest in the media from which he speaks. But what quality?
You will be hard pressed to point out any ultra left NZ Labour members or ultra left sectarian NZ Labour Party members. Go on.
The LP ideology is reformism. Aka social democracy–the outward presentation of which changes from time to time while remaining class collaborationist at core. It is the antithesis of revolution or a fundamental change in class power.
But having said that, more democracy in most settings from the bowling club on up is generally positive compared to less democracy. So yes Cunliffe is probably somewhat unwillingly and likely unknowingly the best bet for Labour leader as long as he wields the axe through LECs etc to the obvious rogernomes and is influenced to support the right of workers to strike etc.
The main stream media and some of the blogs are part of the capitalist superstructure. It does not look like a one party state apparatus but has the same effect. Whaleboil with over 930 posts on David Cunliffe–what is that all about?
As I see it, the LP membership is pretty representative of LP voters, and they are not hard left. Moreover, these people want to be represented and also want their side to win – hence they do not disregard the electability of candidates in casting their votes. They gain nothing by their side winning, however, if that side does not see fit to represent them. The tension is not between over-ideological members and the broad electorate, it is between people who seek representation from the centre left, and wealthy potential donors/influencers who do not want to see those people honestly represented. The “centre” and the “electorate” are euphemisms for this.
Meanwhile, the precariat, both middle class and poor, are accumulating a “Boston tea-party” case – no taxation without representation. They pay GST on every meagre item they consume, but no one really wants to represent them.
Here’s the thing, that piece by Phil Quinn is his typical bullshit. The idea that he is a disniterseted player is laughable. Now you can come at me with ‘oh but that’s ad hom’ and I’ll just ask you why on earth I should trust him?
Is he an a traight up guy? Does he have an agenda? Does he have a history of playing bullshit games?
These are avild questions to bear in mind when considering his argument that the leadership should be left up to caucus.
He claims that a opure caucus decision would be more democratic because MPs have been voted for. But that leaves aside the fairly salient pooint of how MPs are selected. He doesn;t want a borader range of input into leadership selection, he wants it controlled by a smaller group. Not coincidently, he has a history of playing games within that small group that he thinks should have control.
“..Meanwhile, the precariat, both middle class and poor, are accumulating a “Boston tea-party” case – no taxation without representation. They pay GST on every meagre item they consume, but no one really wants to represent them..”
@ Olwyn 6.3
You sound perfectly right. But as boldsirB asks – how do you know definitely about Labour members? Is there a way of knowing or accurately positing?
Hi greywarshark:
Olwyn, like me, is a member of the Labour Party who no doubt has known and socialised with many members over the years. I think we both have a good understanding of those members and how they are likely to respond to party matters. As Olwyn says, they are not hard left (far from it) and they certainly are not unintelligent. The problem which seems to have developed over a long period of time is that certain Labour MPs no longer seem willing to recognise that our viewpoints are very important and worth listening to…
The most obvious example is that many of us knew Labour’s major policy planks were not sitting well with the general public (more to do with presentation than the sentiments behind them) yet our oft repeated concerns were ignored.
On a related note I listened to Williams and Hooton on RNZ this morning and noticed that when discussing the leadership contest – especially as it related to David Cunliffe – both of them avoided mentioning the elephant in the room. That is, the effect of Dirty Politics and Key’s successful campaign in turning the blame around on the left and Labour in particular. When you add the also highly successful Liu campaign to smear Cunliffe then it is grossly unfair to label Cunliffe as a failure as both of them did. He made some mistakes, but they know only too well he was also destroyed by sinister forces out of his and Labour’s control.
Having said the above, I have not yet made a decision how I intend to vote and I suspect I am far from being alone. So, media suggestions that so and so is way ahead… and someone else is history… is just mindless speculation.
As far as I can make out the problem is that members elect leaders rather than set policy. A parties politicians should be their only to advance what the party membership decides democratically.
This come upon two other issues:
1. People just aren’t used to having that sort input and control and so don’t have the self-confidence to do it and
2. Getting people to engage at that level is difficult
Then there’s the caucus that just don’t want to let power slip from their hands to those of the membership.
Thanks Anne, for coming to my defence – I had to run after writing that and have only just got back. I learned of David Cunliffe’s withdrawal on the bus, in a phone call from someone living in Australia. I will follow David’s advice and vote for Andrew Little now, but I have to admit I am finding the parliamentary LP very hard to like at the moment.
I read a lot about the enthusiasm for Labour Party “democracy” with the members having 40% of the leadership vote. Now maybe Im a FPP kind of fossil (TLH was from the Wizzard of Id cartoons way way back) but why is voting for the leader a big deal to party members?
As members, you have opportunity through your own branches, and I understand via the LEC and via conferences to contribute to policies that you want Labour to promote. And then once they are sorted, your team goes out and promotes those policies to the electorate, and you either win or do not win the election.
If its because you cant trust your MPs in Wellington to do as the party members have agreed, then change the MPs.
Why not get the 2017 list sorted by late 2015, and put those who arent with the program, in list positions from 50-60, and then open their electorate nominations at the same time. They might get the picture about then.
Its not too dissimilar to what the Nats have done in the past, and to the electorate in general, it looks like renewal.
Who is heading this Labour Party review process? Has anyone even been appointed? If so, have they actually started and why have members not been advised?
I ask these questions because after the initial announcement there appears to have been nothing…
The acting leader, in conjunction with the Party President, are the obvious people to draft the brief and to come up with a short list of people to head the review. I’d guess the NZ Council would have to sign it off.
The acting leader has been focused on his own career rather than the furure of the Party.
The interesting part is which of the candidates will win more votes in the Labour caucus.
Now that Parker has entered the race, the split will increase among MPs, although it seems DC has the least chances and Grant Robertson the upper hand and could win the internal battle. Outside caucus is a different matter altogether.
A curious thing seems to be happening amongst the large and loaded. A couple of recent social events have led to well-heeled people talking about the injustice of the low waged not being paid enough to even live on.
There is a clear current in the community (right across it) that the lot of the low-paid is unjust and mean, not to mention grossly insufficient.
These rich people are genuinely concerned and want to see it remedied … an interesting phenomenon. Of course then the conversation gets lost in the way to achieve that, always ending up at the cost of money i.e. the bankers.
“.. data from property analysis company CoreLogic has shown activity among investors who owned two or more properties had hit a 10-year high. Big investors with more than 10 properties were the most active, buying about two out of every five homes in August. ”
Mighty River Power generates over 95 per cent of its electricity from renewable energy sources, namely hydro and geothermal. These assets have incredibly long (bordering on infinite) useful lives, with relatively low annual maintenance expenditure required.
The company’s crown jewels – its hydro-electric dams – are a unique asset. Built in the middle of the 20th century by the New Zealand government, these dams are located on the Waikato River. This location, close to the major population centres of Auckland and the central North Island, save the company from significant transmission losses.
Those transmission savings combined with the low cost of hydro-electric generation give Mighty River Power a significant cost advantage.
Even during times of lower consumption, the demand for the company’s base load electricity generation remains strong.
Kathryn Ryan on ‘Nine to Noon’ with Hooton and Williams.
Hooton and (friend) Williams both bag David Cunliffe ….and seem positive towards Little and Parker
..Williams and (friend) Hooton both praise John Key on security and terrorism and war matters
….Hooton bags Facebook page in support of Cunliffe…says he and his friends are signing it to get Labour to lose again ( so the 5,000 signatures in support of Cunliffe are really fake signatures of support)….at this point Kathryn Ryan bags political blogs …doesnt take any notice of them
imo …this slot is NOT worth listening to …except to find out how Hooton is spinning the right wing agenda on the Labour Party and what Labour should be doing and where it should be going…..and wonder at how Hooton has Kathryn Ryan and Mike Williams wrapped around his little finger!…no hard questions are asked on this show …and there is no contradiction of what Hooton says…it should be called the ‘Hooton Political Spin Report’
Oh foreshore foreshore the biased angst of Ryan is painful and Mike is getting like like a lot of us over 60, the realization that this Key winning the last 3 elections was no boyhood wet dream
I just regret not finding his ivory tower back in the early 80’s and smashing it to hell before he could ever get started
I’m not sure where SAFE stands on human induction – more commonly called abortion – but they certainly haven’t been as vocal on it as they were calf induction. The Greens have been vocal about both; it’s just that they loudly oppose calf induction and loudly support human induction.
What I didn’t understand is how the cows get pregnant out of synch with the other cows. I thought that kind of farming was tightly controlled, so isn’t this down to the farmer?
The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 16
A public call by Bank of England governor Mark Carney that the vast majority of oil reserves should be considered “unburnable” if the world wants to avoid catastrophic climate change makes him stand out among mainstream figures.
That aint workin thats the way u do it
You play the voters on telliviz see
For gods sake get some policies that represent the labour voters
and attack National for its abuse of the poor and democracy and the parliamentary process
National should have been gone by lunch time this election
Their actions as a govt have been close to a crime on to many occassions
Now the bastard wants to waste more of the countries resources getting us involved deeper in a war that is really the responsibility of the US UK France and any other nation directly involved in the mess since 911 get real we are 4 million people making a mess in our own backyard Clean that up Key
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“Legal spanner now in the works to help stop the forced rating sale of my home.”
I have just received this email from Auckland Council’s Senior Solicitor, Civil Litigation, regarding my:
1. Application to set aside judgment (of the District Court dated 24 Feb 2012)
2. Interlocutory application for stay of proceeding
which were filed on Thursday 9 October 2014. and Friday 10 October 2014 respectively.
The next step is for the Auckland District Court to set a hearing date to hear these two ‘intertwined’ matters.
Auckland Council intends to oppose these applications.
In the meantime – High Court proceedings to sell my home are effectively stalled.
Legally, these applications are effectively a big, fat spanner in the Auckland Council works, in their historic and legally unprecedented attempt to force the rating sale of a freehold home.
This stand that I am making is in defence of the lawful rights of ALL citizens and ratepayers for transparency and accountability of Auckland Council rates spending.
How many billion$ are being spent by Auckland Council and Auckland Council Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) on private sector consultants and contractors?
What are the NAMES of these private sector consultants and contractors?
What is the SCOPE of these contracts?
What is the TERM of these contracts?
What is the VALUE of these contracts?
Why aren’t citizens and ratepayers being given these ‘devilish details’?
It’s OUR public money!
Where EXACTLY is it going?
How can you have transparency or accountability, without proper written records?
The Public Records Act 2005, makes this a clear statutory requirement of local authorities under section 17 :
(1) Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
(2) Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.
(3) Every local authority must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all protected records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act.
Where are the STATUTORY ‘Third Party Public Watchdogs’ on this issue?
Why are they apparently so spectacularly useless?
Where are Transparency International New Zealand?
Given that New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’, according to the 2013 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ – shouldn’t we be the MOST transparent?
Where is the NZ ‘Tax Payers’ Union?
Don’t they purportedly support transparency in government spending?
Why does an ordinary citizen like myself, feel the need to take such an extraordinary stand, in order to ensure that Auckland Council follows the law?
Because NOBODY else is trying to hold Auckland Council and their ‘Corporate Controlled Organisations (CCOs), accountable to the law.
That is why believe that this draconian attempt is being made to ‘neck stamp’ me – because I am an outspoken anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ – who has been ‘blowing the whistle until my eyeballs bleed’ (as it were 🙂
I look forward to defending myself in the Auckland District Court (again), against Auckland Council (again), as happened when I was individually singled out over the Occupy Auckland legal proceedings, as a ‘Named Defendant’.
In the Occupy Auckland case, it was proven (again) that you CAN ‘beat City Hall’.
At the end of the day, I feel very comfortable and relaxed in anticipation that although these proceedings were started by Auckland Council – that I shall (again) finish them ……
Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2013
Attendee: G20 Anti-Corruption Conference 2014
The Auckland Council has been served the attached applications by Ms Penny Bright (“applications”):
1. Application to set aside judgment (of the District Court dated 24 Feb 2012)
2. Interlocutory application for stay of proceeding
The Council intends to oppose the applications.
I understand that the court has yet to allocate a hearing date. Given that the applications are intertwined, could you please ensure that they are heard together.
I look forward to receiving the notice of hearing for the applications.
Ngā mihi | Regards
John Hilario BA LLB | Senior Solicitor – Civil Litigation
Legal Services | Auckland Council
And the penchant for close, secretive cooperation with the government will only cost companies money and jobs, Snowden added, because no one would want to buy a phone made by a company that provides inherent backdoors for third parties to access your information.
And wondered, after all he’d been through, how he could be so naive. Doesn’t he realise that the government today works for the companies?
The answer doesn’t lie in private business and competition but in us being cooperative and using OpenSource software and hardware.
Nah, the real naivete is that he is wrong. Nobody much cares that they have no privacy. We’re the most watched people in human history and we just don’t care. If anything, we rush to out ourselves on fb and similar platforms.
Speak for yourself Te Reo Putake. I think the majority of people are willfully unaware they are the most watched people in history. They think, it’s not them being watched by the corporate edifice, it’s someone else – the bad people.
They have not realised they are living in the corporate elects piffling smoke screen. Actually I think the majority here are willfully ignorant of the power of the corporations. They seem to think this or that politician is somehow above or removed from this corporate giant. It’s a worry – it’s also the reason I don’t comment on the posts about this or that political party shenanigans very much.
It’s also the reason I say labour are dead – if you think any political party can drag us back from this corporatocracy you’re living in – I want what your smoking.
Because after low wage, is no wage.
Working people have nothing in common with their rules – the sooner they realise the elites hate them with a vengeance – the better.
Mr Key said the Ministry was dealing with the outbreak as best it can.
“You wouldn’t want them jumping to conclusions, naming products, naming suppliers or naming supermarkets when it’s not exactly clear what is the particular product that is causing these tummy bugs.”
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The pungent smell of gasoline in your car can be an alarming and potentially dangerous problem. Not only is the odor unpleasant, but it can also indicate a serious issue with your vehicle’s fuel system. In this article, we will explore the various reasons why your car may smell like ...
Tree sap can be a sticky, unsightly mess on your car’s exterior. It can be difficult to remove, but with the right techniques and products, you can restore your car to its former glory. Understanding Tree Sap Tree sap is a thick, viscous liquid produced by trees to seal wounds ...
The amount of paint needed to paint a car depends on a number of factors, including the size of the car, the number of coats you plan to apply, and the type of paint you are using. In general, you will need between 1 and 2 gallons of paint for ...
Jump-starting a car is a common task that can be performed even in adverse weather conditions like rain. However, safety precautions and proper techniques are crucial to avoid potential hazards. This comprehensive guide will provide detailed instructions on how to safely jump a car in the rain, ensuring both your ...
Graham Adams writes about the $55m media fund — When Patrick Gower was asked by Mike Hosking last week what he would say to the many Newstalk ZB callers who allege the Labour government bribed media with $55 million of taxpayers’ money via the Public Interest Journalism Fund — and ...
Note: this blog post has been put together over the course of the week I followed the happenings at the conference virtually. Should recordings of the Great Debates and possibly Union Symposia mentioned below, be released sometime after the conference ends, I'll include links to the ones I participated in. ...
The following was my submission made on the “Fast Track Approvals Bill”. This potential law will give three Ministers unchecked powers, un-paralled since the days of Robert Muldoon’s “Think Big” projects.The submission is written a bit tongue-in-cheek. But it’s irreverent because the FTAB is in itself not worthy of respect. ...
One Could Reduce Child Poverty At No Fiscal CostFollowing the Richardson/Shipley 1990 ‘redesign of the welfare state’ – which eliminated the universal Family Benefit and doubled the rate of child poverty – various income supplements for families have been added, the best known being ‘Working for Families’, introduced in 2005. ...
Buzz from the Beehive A few days ago, Point of Order suggested the media must be musing “on why Melissa is mute”. Our article reported that people working in the beleaguered media industry have cause to yearn for a minister as busy as Melissa Lee’s ministerial colleagues and we drew ...
1. What was The Curse of Jim Bolger?a. Winston Peters b. Soon after shaking his hand, world leaders would mysteriously lose office or shuffle off this mortal coilc. Could never shake off the Mother of All Budgetsd. Dandruff2. True or false? The Chairman of a Kiwi export business has asked the ...
Jack Vowles writes – New Zealand is said to be suffering from ‘serious populist discontent’. An IPSOS MORI survey has reported that we have an increasing preference for strong leaders, think that the economy is rigged toward the rich and powerful, and political elites are ignoring ‘hard-working people’. ...
Chris Trotter writes – MELISSA LEE should be deprived of her ministerial warrant. Her handling – or non-handling – of the crisis engulfing the New Zealand news media has been woeful. The fate of New Zealand’s two linear television networks, a question which the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications ...
TL;DR: The podcast above features co-hosts and , along with regular guests Robert Patman on Gaza and AUKUS II, and on climate change.The six things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote and spoke about via The Kākā and elsewhere for paying subscribers in the ...
Policymakers rarely wish to make plain or visible their desire to dismantle environmental policy, least of all to the young. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: Here’s the top five news items of note in climate news for Aotearoa-NZ this week, and a discussion above between Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent ...
I like to keep an eye on what’s happening in places like the UK, the US, and over the ditch with our good mates the Aussies. Let’s call them AUKUS, for want of a better collective term. More on that in a bit.It used to be, not long ago, that ...
TL;DR: The global economy will be one fifth smaller than it would have otherwise been in 2050 as a result of climate damage, according to a new study by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and published in the journal Nature. (See more detail and analysis below, and ...
New Zealand is said to be suffering from ‘serious populist discontent’. An IPSOS MORI survey has reported that we have an increasing preference for strong leaders, think that the economy is rigged toward the rich and powerful, and political elites are ignoring ‘hard-working people’. The data is from February this ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters is understood to be planning a major speech within the next fortnight to clear up the confusion over whether or not New Zealand might join the AUKUS submarine project. So far, there have been conflicting signals from the Government. RNZ reported the Prime Minister yesterday in ...
Life throws curveballs, and sometimes, those curveballs necessitate wiping your iPhone clean and starting anew. Whether you’re facing persistent software glitches, preparing to sell your device, or simply wanting a fresh start, knowing how to factory reset iPhone without a computer is a valuable skill. While using a computer with ...
Gone are the days when communication was limited to landline phones and physical proximity. Today, computers have become powerful tools for connecting with people across the globe through voice and video calls. But with a plethora of applications and methods available, how to call someone on a computer might seem ...
Open access notables Glacial isostatic adjustment reduces past and future Arctic subsea permafrost, Creel et al., Nature Communications:Sea-level rise submerges terrestrial permafrost in the Arctic, turning it into subsea permafrost. Subsea permafrost underlies ~ 1.8 million km2 of Arctic continental shelf, with thicknesses in places exceeding 700 m. Sea-level variations over glacial-interglacial cycles control ...
The operating system (OS) is the heart and soul of a computer, orchestrating every action and interaction between hardware and software. But have you ever wondered where on a computer is the operating system generally stored? The answer lies in the intricate dance between hardware and software components, particularly within ...
Laptops have become essential tools for work, entertainment, and communication, offering portability and functionality. However, with rising energy costs and growing environmental concerns, understanding a laptop’s power consumption is more important than ever. So, how many watts does a laptop use? The answer, unfortunately, isn’t straightforward. It depends on several ...
Screen recording has become an essential tool for various purposes, such as creating tutorials, capturing gameplay footage, recording online meetings, or sharing information with others. Fortunately, Dell laptops offer several built-in and external options for screen recording, catering to different needs and preferences. This guide will explore various methods on ...
A cracked or damaged laptop screen can be a frustrating experience, impacting productivity and enjoyment. Fortunately, laptop screen repair is a common service offered by various repair shops and technicians. However, the cost of fixing a laptop screen can vary significantly depending on several factors. This article delves into the ...
Gaming laptops represent a significant investment for passionate gamers, offering portability and powerful performance for immersive gaming experiences. However, a common concern among potential buyers is their lifespan. Unlike desktop PCs, which allow for easier component upgrades, gaming laptops have inherent limitations due to their compact and integrated design. This ...
The annual inventory report of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions has been released, showing that gross emissions have dropped for the third year in a row, to 78.4 million tons: All-told gross emissions have decreased by over 6 million tons since the Zero Carbon Act was passed in 2019. ...
Experiencing a locked computer can be frustrating, especially when you need access to your files and applications urgently. The methods to unlock your computer will vary depending on the specific situation and the type of lock you encounter. This guide will explore various scenarios and provide step-by-step instructions on how ...
While the world has largely transitioned to digital communication, faxing still holds relevance in certain industries and situations. Fortunately, gone are the days of bulky fax machines and dedicated phone lines. Today, you can easily send and receive faxes directly from your computer, offering a convenient and efficient way to ...
In our increasingly digital world, home computers have become essential tools for work, communication, entertainment, and more. However, this increased reliance on technology also exposes us to various cyber threats. Understanding these threats and taking proactive steps to protect your home computer is crucial for safeguarding your personal information, finances, ...
In the ever-evolving world of technology, server-based computing has emerged as a cornerstone of modern digital infrastructure. This article delves into the concept of server-based computing, exploring its various forms, benefits, challenges, and its impact on the way we work and interact with technology. Understanding Server-Based Computing: At its core, ...
The absolute brass neck of this guy.We want more medical doctors, not more spin doctors, Luxon was saying a couple of weeks ago, and now we’re told the guy has seven salaried adults on TikTok duty. Sorry, doing social media. The absolute brass neck of it. The irony that the ...
Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
Chris Trotter writes – The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three. ...
Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
This is a re-post from Andrew Dessler at the Climate Brink blogIn 2023, the Earth reached temperature levels unprecedented in modern times. Given that, it’s reasonable to ask: What’s going on? There’s been lots of discussions by scientists about whether this is just the normal progression of global warming or if something ...
The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey and his Government colleagues have made a meal of their mental health commitments, showing how flimsy their efforts to champion the issue truly are, says Labour Mental Health spokesperson Ingrid Leary. ...
Māori are yet to see anything from this Government except cuts, reversals and taking our people backwards, Māori Development spokesperson Willie Jackson said. ...
The Coalition Government’s refusal to commit to ongoing funding for social housing is seeing the sector pull back on developments and families watch their dreams of securing a home fade away, says Labour Housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner. The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel. “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says. "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board. “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti. “I have asked her to ...
The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States. “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
April 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...
By Koroi Hawkins, RNZ Pacific editor in Honiara Solomon Islands’ incumbent prime minister Manasseh Sogavare has been re-elected in the East Choiseul constituency. It is the opening move in the political chess match to form the country’s next government. Returning officer Christopher Makoni made the declaration late last night after ...
Headline: The moment of friction. – 36th Parallel Assessments In strategic studies “friction” is a term that it is used to describe the moment when military action encounters adversary resistance. “Friction” is one of four (along with an unofficial fifth) “F’s” in military strategy, which includes force (kinetic mass), ...
The Fast-track Bill, if passed, would allow three Ministers, unchallenged and unchecked, to approve the immediate extraction and exhaustion of one-off resources. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Duckett, Honorary Enterprise Professor, School of Population and Global Health, and Department of General Practice and Primary Care, The University of Melbourne iamharin/Shutterstock For many people, the term “bulk billed” refers to a GP visit they don’t have to pay ...
Emmas Hislop, Sidnam and Wehipeihana discuss what’s in a name. Emma Sidnam: Hello Emmas! Thank you so much for agreeing to do this with me. My first question for you is related to what’s been on my mind for a while. It’s very important. You see we’ve recently had some ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Sievers, Research Fellow, Global Wetlands Project, Australia Rivers Institute, Griffith University Chris Brown Humans love the coast. But we love it to death, so much so we’ve destroyed valuable coastal habitat – in the case of some types of habitat, ...
Josh Thomson on the 80s milk ad jingle he can’t stop singing, the beauty of The Simpsons, why Jersey Shore is as good as Shakespeare and more. For someone who spends a lot of time on our screens, popping up in everything from 7 Days to Taskmaster, Educators to Good ...
In apparent defiance of the Biden administration, the Netanyahu government has now initiated missile strikes against Iran. Last Saturday night (Sunday morning in New Zealand) Iran launched more than 300 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles against Israeli military targets. With the assistance of US, UK and possibly French forces, ...
Māori representation brings a perspective that encompasses not only the interests of Māori communities but also a broader, holistic approach to environmental stewardship and community well-being, principles deeply embedded in Te Ao Māori (the Māori ...
This week in Auckland, a group of young people took over the microphone at a ministerial press conference, to explain why they oppose the Fast-Track Approvals Bill. One young woman said, ‘We’re here because we love Aotearoa New Zealand. We want to raise our children in an environment that’s thriving, ...
The summer was wonderful. Evie was wonderful, too; finally a teenager, finally worthy of long, hot days. She shaved her legs for the first time and bought cut-off shorts from the op-shop that made them look long. She got a Warehouse singlet so tight on her new shape that her ...
When Thomas James was on his solo camp as part of Outward Bound, the keen outdoorsman didn’t find it too challenging, as others often do. In what might just be the perfect illustration of his character, he saw it as a great opportunity to solve a few problems. “I thought, ...
From the unstable and drippy to the hi-tech and pretty, here’s our ranking of all the tunnels you can drive through in this country. The first tunnel seems to have been built in 2200BC in Babylonia, kicking off a global phenomenon for digging holes in order to get places more ...
Lucinda Bennett on the art of being greedy but resourceful. This is an excerpt from our weekly food newsletter, The Boil Up. When I picture the market, it is always this time of year. Crisp air, dripping nose, counting coins with cold fingers. Sunlight pale, filtered through specks of dew still ...
Zoë Colling’s favourite piece in the ‘That’s So Last Century’ collection is a lubrication chart for a sewing machine from the ’60s. It’s about the size of a postcard, and carefully maintained. “I like it that this piece of ephemera highlights that manual and technical side of the skill involved ...
Kia Ora Gaza A passionate haka reverberated through Auckland International Airport as a medical team of three New Zealand doctors received an emotional farewell from a big crowd of supporters before flying to Turkey to join the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. The doctors, who left Auckland yesterday, hope to ...
With submissions closing today, Macassey-Pickard says groups around the country have been supporting a huge range of people to make their submissions. ...
Our response to the new legislation is informed by targeted conversations with practitioners working in the system and through an implementation lens. ...
The new ‘Fast-track Approvals Bill’ would give just three Ministers the power to approve or deny development projects. They would avoid the usual checks and balances that are in place to protect rivers, land, the ocean, and communities. ...
COMMENTARY:By Eugene Doyle Helen Clark, how I miss you. The former New Zealand Prime Minister — the safest pair of hands this country has had in living memory — gave a masterclass on the importance of maintaining an independent foreign policy when she spoke at an AUKUS symposium held ...
The government's released the list of organisations provided with information on how to apply - just hours before public submissions on the bill close. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Milton Speer, Visiting Fellow, School of Mathematical and Physical Sciences, University of Technology Sydney Before climate change really got going, eastern Australia’s flash floods tended to concentrate on our coastal regions, east of the Great Dividing Range. But that’s changing. Now ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elizabeth Finkel, Vice-Chancellor’s Fellow, La Trobe University Sia Duff / South Australian Museum In February, the South Australian Museum “re-imagined” itself. In the face of rising costs and inadequate government funds, CEO David Gaimster, who took the reins last June, declared ...
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Mike Williams: use the phone.
How FFS does it help the Labour movement to have a former President’s thoughts on the leadership broadcast on TV?
Some people get wiser as the grow older. Others just get more vain.
Yes it is hardly inspiring having negative views from Mike. His attacks on Cunliffe are very much over the top and are ‘his’ opinion. Let us see if he gives David Parker the same grief over his stupid notion of continuing the raising of the retirement age policy. For goodness sake calling for a referendum will only drive further supporters away.
His comments are telling: Mike Williams seems to be working for Grant Robertson. He is never away from a microphone, so the coming weeks will reveal who his candidate is. Certainly, not David Cunliffe.
williams is a card-carrying member of the neo-lib/fuck-the-poor consensus..
..and his hatred of what cunnliffe/progressive-policies cd offer..
..is bordering on pathological..
…and williams first supported rightwing-sell-out shane jones – in that previous leadership race..
..doesn’t that really tell you all you need to know..?
Wasn’t he backing/endorsing Cunliffe last time though?
Not initially, as I recall. But he came round to supporting Cunliffe eventually – maybe when it became evident a Cunliffe leadership was pretty inevitable?
That’s the one. Watch Williams shift again if he thinks the wind starts blowing another way.
@ colonial..
..yes..for a ‘pundit’..he is quite the weather-vane..
..that williams..
..can’t see beyond the last waft of wind..
I seem to remember the turning point for Williams in the last leadership campaign was when Karen Price didn’t have her membership card and someone tried to bar her from attending the campaign meeting in Dunedin.
Interesting that’s what swayed him. He wrote about it in the newspaper.
he switched to cunliffe when it became clear he wd win..
..but he first pimped for jones…
..he ‘just likes to be on the side that’s winning’..
(as bob dylan said..oh so eloquently..)
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/positively-4th-street-by-bob-dylan/kT0NowAIOkyWH-97saFsHA
You’re correct, felix. Williams welcomed a third candidate running (Jones) so it would be more than a first past the post election.
@ trp..and he first supported jones for that role…
..difficult to rewrite that history..
Evidence, Phil?
seeing/hearing him pimp jones on nat-rad and telly talkshows..
Evidence, Phil? Anyone?
so..if you are claiming he didn’t do what many remember…
..evidence/links..?
Ha ha ha. You’re making the claim, Phil. Which you can’t apparently back up.
i recallhim backing cunliffe on RNZ in his spot with shooton…
Williams has spent too much time in the company of Matthew Hooton!
….Shearer went to Hooton’s barbeques ….but David Cunliffe declined !
Says it all really!
Hooten the self-professed alcoholic? 2-3 bottles of red wine a night up to a month before the last election? What boozy affairs those bbq’s must have been… in vino veritas may of been a risk for Cunners.
I have my twitter exchange with Matthew regarding this if that would assist moderation?
linky?
um, I asked for a link on the basis of the twitter exchange post, but the one about Matthew’s drinking was not visible at the time. I also think it’s irrelevant.
I think Hooton commented on ts that he had given up drinking. Good on him.
wow, relevance?
For sure relevant. The cosy ol’ boy relationships confirmed, the risk of challenge as to veritas, plugged.
@MatthewHootonNZ
@Raindance_33 haven’t touched alcohol or other drugs for 10 days
11:08 PM – 30 Aug 2014
@MatthewHootonNZ
@jadelta7 I am fine. I gave up alcohol two weeks ago and I think that is what @johnkeypm was referring to.
8:28 PM – 1 Sep 2014
@MatthewHootonNZ
@farleftandproud I think @johnkeypm was talking about my alcoholism which I discussed on Facebook after giving up drinking 2 weeks ago
Fiona McDonald @FiMcD Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ hmm didn’t mean that in a gloomy way! Statistics are grim that’s all. The best thing I ever did was give up, v happy 4 you!
M@MatthewHootonNZ
@FiMcD yep, no gloom angle taken. Have heaps of support this time
7:04 AM – 2 Sep 2014
David Tong @Davidxvx Sep 1
. @MatthewHootonNZ @farleftandproud @johnkeypm Okay, all else aside – congratulations on giving up the booze! That’s a hard road.
@MatthewHootonNZ
Thank you @Davidxvx, best decision I’ve ever made. @farleftandproud @johnkeypm
Matthew Hooton @MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@MitchellAndr 2-4 bottles of red wine a day
Matthew Hooton @MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@Olivefarmer @pohutukawa Of course it is not all about me. But @johnkeypm said I was lying and had personal problems so I had to respond.
@Olivefarmer Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ @pohutukawa @johnkeypm Mathew you pop up everywhere…just rest,take a breather let the spotlight shine where it should..
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@Olivefarmer @pohutukawa @johnkeypm But I love politics and in a strange way even enjoying watching this awful campaign
@Olivefarmer Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ @pohutukawa @johnkeypm You have an addiction …..just Tai Hoa
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
Yes @Olivefarmer, dropping one addiction – booze – but can’t do a second – politics – at the same time! @pohutukawa @johnkeypm
@MitchellAndr Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ How much did you drink?
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@MitchellAndr 2-4 bottles of red wine a day
@CnrJoe
@MatthewHootonNZ @MitchellAndr an ‘addiction’? or a real strong habit?
Reply to @MatthewHootonNZ @MitchellAndr
@MatthewHootonNZ Sep 1
@CnrJoe @MitchellAndr whichever
@CnrJoe Sep 1
@MatthewHootonNZ @MitchellAndr good grief – wat happens if u go frm strength 2 strength? p.m?
@Jackalblog Sep 2
Aw! Matthew Hooton has blocked me for writing this article: http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2014/09/matthew-hootons-dirty-tactics.html … What a sad guy @MatthewHootonNZ #DirtyPolitics
@CnrJoe
@Jackalblog Hooton twttd he sunk 2-4 bottls of red wine a day up till 2 weeks ago.fits th playbook yeah?
5:57 PM – 2 Sep 2014
Lew @LewSOS Sep 1
DHC writes: “Oi, you lot. Can you all please stop being so mean to my friend Cathy Odgers!”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11317080 …
@hamish_keith Sep 1
@LewSOS There is no love so rare that a giant stuffed panda can’t buy
@hamish_keith @LewSOS wats witht hese ppl? Hootons now a 2wk recvring alkie, DHCones and Slater on meds – i… cld… just…cry…
8:54 PM – 1 Sep 2014
Thank you for your interest in my alcoholism. Now close to two months without a drop. Even more sure than when I sent these tweets that it is the best decision I ever made.
What’s the point of posting that? I despise Horton because of his vile politics, not because of how much wine he does or doesn’t drink.
CnrJoe:
Matthew Hooton’s political judgement is often crappy. When he’s like that he just talks rubbish, he’s a man with no common sense or insight, silly as a wet hen – and many of us feel a powerful need to shout the self-evident truth at him.
But sometimes Matthew Fucking Hooton gets it right and when he does that he makes a little bit of room in our hearts for him.
Recognising that alcohol is a problem and doing something about it is getting it right.
Matthew Hooton:
Given that you shared the insight with us, yes – I am interested in your alcoholism – and I mean that in a good way.
sorry, make that 2-4 bottles a night which makes me a total pharking liteweight;-)
The attacks against Cunliffe are a proxy attacks against the membership and the democratic changes made at the November 2012 Labour Party conference. William’s is one of the Labour Party power elite who lost some power, and he, like the rest of these arse-holes are fighting back.
The attacks against Cunliffe are a proxy attacks against the membership
I agree, for the most part, they are. Still won’t vote for him.
I’m curious to know what others thought of Little’s performance yesterday. Those that haven’t already said.
I’m fairly neutral in my response to Little’s qu & a. He seemed to be saying many of the general things that people on the left and right of the Labour Party say.
Nothing really new or inspiring; nothing that upset me.
He sounds like a very good manager. But a managerialist approach is very much part of the “neoliberal” MO.
+1
I found the managerial thing interesting. Might be what’s needed to clear out the dead wood. However I found myself having to try and read between the lines alot. Some of that I’ll put down to first time in Q and A online with the likes of us. Some of it because he’s not leader yet and so can’t preempt what Labour wants (eg policy). Some of it the same old shit of holding cards close to ones chest. I’ll be interested to see what he’s like if he does another Q and A at some point.
@ just saying …”I’m curious to know what others thought of Little’s performance yesterday. Those that haven’t already said.”
I didnt even bother to read Little’s Q@A…the fact that Michelle Boag has endorsed him, says it all for me…(weasel words are easy)
…and how successful has Little been as President of the Labour Party?….not very!…it is fractured and non cooperative….maybe Little has been waiting in the wings for his big chance?
…i support David Cunliffe…and hope he hangs in there , despite the calls for him to resign!…in my opinion the attacks against a real Labour Party offering a viable alternative to Nactional are continuing unabated
…the right wing are just using Labour MPs and Williams to do the attacks for them…it is a battle for the soul of the Labour Party…and the grassroots members MUST win this battle
Andrew Little praises the Labour Party democratic process;
But then in a complete turn around, asks the front running candidate David Cunliffe to step aside;
With this statement Andrew Little is echoing the Right Wing demand, made immediately after the election, that David Cunliffe step down without a contest.
Notably, Andrew Little has not asked right wing contenders David Parker, or Grant Robertson to step aside.
That Andrew Little seeks the undemocratic recall of the main Left Wing Contender through bureaucratic means, and not an open contest is not a good sign.
In my opinion these contradictory statements signal three things;
First, that Andrew is very personally ambitious for himself,
Second, that Andrew is seeking an accomodation with the Right.
And third, that he favours back room bureaucratic methods over democracy.
@ pat o’dea..
..+ 1..
I will put the acid on Little to front up regarding getting rid of deadwood when I’m in Wellington later this week. Any ‘snake oil’ won’t wash infront our hard nosed group, especially considering we endored DC publicly last time and may well do so again if we don’t like AL’s speak on a number of issues.
Skinny, will you be able to talk about that conversation publicly? It does seem to be the crucial factor in the whole mess.
Little said this yesterday,
“That’s something I have a lot of experience in. As the leader of the EPMU for 11 years, I undertook a careful and strategic reshaping of the union to turn it into a campaigning organisation that engaged powerfully with the public on the big issues”
Do you have more detail on this, how he was in that job, what kinds of things he did? eg is he likely to have the skills and strength to deal with the ABCs/neoliberal/Rogernome issue (however it’s called)?
did he have hire/fire power at epmu, cos i dont think he has that power over caucus? if he can force resignations, that take effect next election, if they are in electorate seats, and can get list dissenters toresign now, it makes me wonder how cunliffe and shearer didnt/couldnt?
Wow, he turned the EPMU into a PR agency. The fact that he stresses this, rather than the pay and conditions of the members, says a lot to me.
Ok, clearly you haven’t got any understanding how a modern union works or why campaigning is not PR. In answer to another question I gave the 5 in 05 campaign as an example. There, the Little led EPMU pushed for a 5% rise for not only their own members, but all workers. They campaigned, we all won. That’s not PR, that’s union organising.
Pat, why do you think Robertson is right? He’s probably to the left of Little, in my experience in the party.
it might be because he, like others is talking in sound bites and lip service rather than substance. like the party itself i am struggling to work out who these guys stand for.
i have read the lp vision etc… but then they came out in favour of nzf… which made a mockery of their progressive label, imo.
i dont get the impression thatlittle thinks the leadership is anyones business but caucus. of course he is not alone in this. i sense he is promising us a lp that represents at least 15% of those who voted national…
it doesnt appear that any candidate is prepared to say who the LP actually stands for, although parker seems to allude to the 15% who voted national that might come back if they are right enough. 15% is my plucked figure based on them getting close to 40% of the vote.
lip service and bs so far from little, parker and robertson, imo. cunliffe quite rightly doesnt have to say anything cos the last year sees him rise or fall.
@ chooky..
“..it is a battle for the soul of the Labour Party…and the grassroots members MUST win this battle..”
..indeed..!
..if they don’t labour faces a future as a rump/nz first-like party..
..labours’ longterm life/health is in representing the disenfranchised million + who didn’t vote because labour..(as the main opposition party) had s.f.a. for them..except a raise in the age they cd retire..(!)..
..(i still claim you cd track the steps in the drop in labour support that happened every time after parker popped up to tell nz workers they were going to work longer/older..
..i..here at home..wd say to ‘the boy’..you wait and see..labour will drop again in the next poll..and yep..!..we all know they did..).
..and there is one fact that couldn’t paint clearer how ratshit labours’ policies were..
..colin craigs’ far-right conservative party had policies that wd have helped the poor..more than labour did..
..how fucked-up is that..?..
@ saarbo..
“..William’s is one of the Labour Party power elite who lost some power, and he, like the rest of these arse-holes are fighting back..”
..+ 1..
Well said. Pinning the election loss on Cunliffe is completely unfair and quite stupid. Cunliffe worked extremely hard and tried to support the caucus and membership along. The election loss was due to many factors not in the control of Cunliffe. In my opinion, all of Labour should put their complete support behind Cunliffe but make any other necessary changes as revealed by the ‘review’ that is in progress.
Yes, I cringed when I heard his ‘expert’ comment. One would think he, like some of the caucus ‘seniors’, would have had better sense. A shocking set of stupid nincompoops!
didnt he also say the membership would back robertson??!?
I’m wondering when someone is going to tell the poor fellow that Hooton is already married. He’ll be devastated.
Andrew Little – Minus 1
His suggestion this morning (Morning Report, Radio NZ) that David Cunliffe step aside ‘in the interests of the party’
A Tui advert?
For goodness sake I can think of a number of things which are in the interest of the Labour party and Cunliffe not running is not one of them.
I have got to the point where I think that the process used to elect the leader needs to occur to elect the deputy leader.
Parker put it in a nut shell, people, policy and presentation is what wins an election. I would like to add that being loyal to the party leader is under the control of caucus and that I expect the caucus to be loyal to their democratically elected leader.
Suggesting that Cunliffe steps aside in the interest of the Labour party is un – democratic.
The infighting has to stop, because everyone in caucus are being undermined and are being distracted. It is not hard to see why any leader Labour has had in the last 6 years does not last.
@ treetop..
..they are like a seriously dysfunctional hillbilly family..
..you cd almost build a reality-telly show around them:
..starring cunliffe the cunning:..is he really all he seems..?..or is it too good to be true..?..you be the judge..
…blokey gay-guy robertson..did he go to acting-school for voice-training..?..and cd he be more ‘blokey’ when he tries..?
..’posey’ parker – retired hall-monitor…could he be more of a prefect..?..and if you lived in a flat with him…he wd use different coloured maker-pens to record the levels in/of ‘his stuff’ in the fridge..(you just know he wd..)
..’lizard-lips’ little – gurning rightwing unionist trying to pretend he isn’t..rightwing..could anyone fit more ‘urm’s..um!’s..ah!’s into a sentence..?..has the guinness book of world records been informed of his prowess in this area..?..
..and ‘bennys on a hot tin roof” shearer…the original fumbler/mumbler..carrying his faint hope of being revived from the dead..
..’im baaacckkkk..!!!!’
Just don’t stop here with the candidate profiles, (excluding Shearer) keep going with every member in caucus. A work in progress, take your time.
Cunliffe has the most promising profile AND he had the job for a year and still WANTS the job. The guy is going in with his eyes open.
cunliffe is smart, eloquent, has name recognition, does not require yet another leadership change.
given a fair go by the media and the caucus he will win in 2017 against this mob who have already been found out on the rock star economy, and are now selling off state houses without mentioning this at the election
Not bad! Very good in fact! Don’t forget other fringe characters inside and outside the party.
[It is an indictment on some of the stupid, disloyal, self centred, nasty caucus that we the ‘supporters’ of Labour are writing these sorts of comments now]
The nominations for leader close tomorrow which is a good thing.
I am aware of being critical about the infighting because I would like this to be conducted in private (leadership challenge) and realise that some members are worse than others. Your last paragraph is good feed back.
As for the review of the election result this is in the interest of the voters.
Did he say that on radio! I can’t believe that! Oh dear. How stupid.
I think those that want Cunliffe to ‘step aside’ in the interest of the party should themselves ‘step aside’ and ‘leave’ in the interest of the Labour party.
If he did say that about a candidate that is standing for ELECTION, then that is both stupid and unfair. So, why have an election at all?
Besides, he is being unwise because what happens if Cunliffe wins?
That definitely firms my vote for Cunliffe.
And yet, when it comes to Te Tai Tokerau, you’re all for a similar arrangement. Funny old world, eh?
Different scenario/circumstance.
Not at all. Both are concerned with manipulating outcomes of democratic elections. The only circumstantial difference is your liking or disliking of the effected parties.
@ trp..
..and a special apples-and-oranges-award for that commenter/comment..
David Parker – Plus 1
His refusal this morning (Morning Report, Radio NZ) to agree that he was standing ‘against’ the other candidates. It’s a subtle distinction, but important. He is putting himself forward because he thinks he can do a better job, not that he considers the others cannot also do a good job. Clever
David Parker – Minus 1
His insistence this morning (Morning Report, Radio NZ) that Labour must aim for 50% of the vote (not sure of exact words). No mention of other parties. Not even a thought to a ‘Labour Led Government’
This is an MMP environment. At the very least, I would have hoped that the candidates for Labour Leadership would have got their head around that by now. It’s a time when the voters expect and want strong coalitions. Why on earth does Labour appear to consider the Greens a partner reluctantly? Why on earth does Andrew Little have so much antagonism to Mana? What policies do the Greens and Mana have that are presumably so opposed to Labour philosophy? Or is this really just a personal power trip?
I feel a bit like I’m reading “best bets’ or the old ‘turf digest’.
But enjoying the updates and your reading of the various horses’ ‘form’, Boldsirbrian.
My current theory about the antagoism to Mana is that it’s the old guard who still don’t quite get MMP. They think it’s about power plays not co-operation. Kind of understandable for the ones that have spent their whole political careers having to watch out where the knives are.
They’re only just getting their heads around working with the GP to form govt (after how many years? nearly 2 decades now), and even some like Parker still don’t get it. So Mana are the ones with the potential to distrupt things even further, better to stomp on them and squash them when you get teh chance. God forbid they should be kingmakers at some point.
I also suspect that Mana’s policies and kaupapa make many in Labour very uncomfortable, given that Mana seem to have genuine left wing policies. If you betray your constituency and they reject you and then someone else comes along and starts talking to them in ways that address their needs, then it’s going to be unpleasant.
I think that both the Green Party and Mana are unpopular with wider voting public, and the fact that Labour apparently can’t govern without coalescing with one or both of them is putting many people off voting Labour. I think this is why the party tends to distance itself from these parties.
I say this as someone who regularly votes Green.
I agree. It seems that many deem it to be shameful to be seen standing up for the most deprived in the community, especially those not working. I think it was a sad day when Hone was voted down and I am really sad that so many people are of the view that Hone sold out to KDC. It seems that money going to the Tory side is considered to be “clean” while money going to progressive causes is “dirty”.
In addition, I cannot understand why Labour went to such lengths to distance itself from other parties which were basically on the “same side” of politics. That made no sense to me! Maximise the party vote by all means but not by diminishing potential allies to the point that makes a stable coalition look nearly impossible.
Labour needed to be in coalition to form a government. It needed to emphasise the common policies and the harshest thing it should have said about potential coalition partner policy is that more controversial policies would have to be subject to compromises depending on the distribution of the progressive vote among the various parties in the potential coalition. “We will be part of the progressive coalition which will be your government.
“If you prefer our policy to that of the other coalition members then vote for us so that we can get our version through.”
I would like to see the progressive parties meeting to work out areas in which they can co-operate and even pool resources to reach the non-voters, etc including deliveries of material, etc.
Labour needed to be in coalition to form a government. It needed to emphasise the common policies and the harshest thing it should have said about potential coalition partner policy is that more controversial policies would have to be subject to compromises depending on the distribution of the progressive vote among the various parties in the potential coalition. “We will be part of the progressive coalition which will be your government.
“If you prefer our policy to that of the other coalition members then vote for us so that we can get our version through.”
This.
I’m now thinking that it’s the personal shortcomings of Labour caucus MPs that prevent them from seeing how to change the narrative and communicate how left wing governments are going to work from now on. They’re probably incapable cognitively of thinking this through. That sounds very patronising, but how can Parker still be going on about Labour on 50%? even if they get out the non-vote, some of those voters are going to vote GP and IMP (probably proportionally).
Very disappointed that Norman is doing this anti-IMP shit too.
That’s because that’s how the Tories paint it with help from their assistants in the MSM.
I agree with your whole post Tautoko.
I would like to see the progressive parties meeting to work out areas in which they can co-operate and even pool resources to reach the non-voters, etc including deliveries of material, etc.
The parties that begin to understand the links between poverty and non voting, and to take steps to address this in practical ways, stand to win big-time. One million potential voters.
This is a discussion that we need to have, if there is to be any real change.
The sooner labour excepts that they need to team up with the greens the better. And you people that are still in denial that the shamozzel caused buy the internet mana in this election helped gift key another 3 years need to wake up.
The deadwood MP’s are going to play a tricky game with the members during this contest. They will either bloc vote their first choice of either Robertson or Parker but not splitter their vote. Their second vote the same. They will be gauging which one has the most support from the members and pull in behind the one that has the most. They won’t be fussed which one as long as it’s not DC or Little.
The Maori caucus have been entrusted with a solid return of the Maori vote, they can not squander and dilute their vote and repay the faith put into them. They ‘must’ ban together behind the candidate who will serve them best and back up the second vote down to the last. They need to get out to their LEC’s and get a consensus/mandate to bloc vote and use the very strong bargaining position they now have to ensure Labour represents the poor with sound Left policies. A non-negotiable rejection of the retirement age policy is a must, along with any other policy that is not to their advantage.
i am hoping the maori/pi-caucus will see that cunliffe+progressive policies will be the best package for who they represent..
..and that they will be major players in this election..
..i can’t see how they can’t see that the other neo-lib candidates just mean more bad news for those they represent..
..whereas a labour leader + a brace of progressive policies..
..cd herald a new dawn/way out of poverty for many maori/p.i..
..they have muscle in this depleted labour caucus..
..time to flex it..
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@ phillip ure (5.1)
Can you please provide an example of a “progressive policy” that Cunliffe will support that your so called “neo-lib” candidates will not?
Can you please define who these “neo-lib” candidates are?
Can you please provide an example of policies that will be implemented by the “neo-lib” candidates that will mean “bad news”?
(I’m expecting a few references too, to back up the claims)
A minor query. What is the maori/pi-caucus?
Mr. Botany (B.)
Relax mate even us casual observers can tell you that: Shearer, Parker and Robertson are most approved by the corporate media. Cunliffe and Little are least.
@ Colonial Rawshark (5.1.1.1)
Oh my god. Political debate has descended so far south that the penguins appear to be playing with the polar bears.
According to your suggestion we do not have to even try and understand what any of the candidates are saying, what they believe, what policies they support, what policies they do not support; their leadership abilities, their ability to unify the caucus, their ability to present a vision to the electorate or to give a reason for wanting Labour.
Nah. Just “relax mate”! For f. sake. Sounds like a John Key “I’m comfortable with that”
Colonial Rawshark, as a “casual observer” recommends just following the opinions of “corporate media”. Apparently “corporate media” either know all, or know nothing.
Yeah right.
Mr. Botany (B.)
Actually I think CV’s suggestion was to NOT follow corporate media. It’s not that they know all or nothing, it’s that they have an agenda that is not supportive of the left.
@ wekarawshark (5.1.1.1.1.1)
Of course. Which was the point of the final paragraph. Just follow the opinions of corporate media. Then decide what label you are, left or right (no alternatives provided) and then you are able to decide whether corporate media know all or know nothing. Politics for dummies. Real dummies.
Mr. Botany (B.)
@ bold brian..
the actual policies offered will be down to labour to work on..
..but i wd hope a universal basic income..and a financial transaction tax on the banksters wd be somewhere in the mix..
..the ‘neo-lib’ candidates are all but cunliffe…(i parked little with them after his q&a here yest..how cd i not..?..)
..just continuation of neo-lib/fuck-the-poor! policies is all the ‘bad news you need’.
.and yr last question..?..surely you jest..?
@phillip ure (5.1.1.2)
Thank you for your reply, clarifying that the differences between your favoured candidate, David Cunliffe, and “all the others, neo-libs” ……..is all smoke and mirrors.
A puff of hot air.
All based on hope! …. “I would hope a universal basic income” “I would hope a financial transaction tax”
Lets face it. You have NO idea about what any of the candidates will do. No references that provide any justification about what anyone will definitely support or not support
You cannot even define any of the “neo-lib/fuck-the-poor! policies” that you find so detestable.
Just a load of adding “progressive” to who you hope will win, and adding “neo-lib” to who you hope will not win. “Progressive” and “Neo-lib” mean nothing more than that to you, do they?
And finally I was not jesting about my last query. Your abbreviations are always annoying, but I can usually comprehend. I still do not know what the “pi” stands for. Perhaps it will be obvious in hindsight. But when I do not know something, and say that I do not know it, I generally mean it.
Mr. Botany (B.)
@ bold brian..
..p.i. means pacific island..(you didn’t know that..?..seriously..?..do you live in the sth island or something..?..)
..and i can’t be screwed giving you a history lesson of the last 30 yrs of neo-lib..
..if anyone else can be bothered..go for it..!
(but i hafta warn ya..!..i am thinking of changing yr name to slow-brian..
..you are teetering..!..)
@ phillip ure (5.1.1.2.1.1)
t.y.f.p.m.w.a.d.o.p.i.
Let me know if you are slow in getting this?
Mr. Botany (B.)
or can be bothered..?
+ 1 Phillip
I am beginning to think Boldasbrian may be a rightwing troll pretending to espouse labour/mana ideas but only in order to disrupt dialogue.
@ Karen
I am beginning to think Boldasbrian may be a rightwing troll pretending to espouse labour/mana ideas but only in order to disrupt dialogue.
Let’s look at that must influential right wing arsehole, Whaleoil. His 101 course says “Stay away from debating policy, ideas, and simply go on the attack. Sex if you can, but if that is missing, a good old ad hominem attack will suffice.
Now lets analyse your post……..
Mmmm
Brian, not sure where you are going with all this exactly, but it is generally agreed that DC and AL are to the left of the other three in terms of traditional left wing politics. People have said recently that Robertson is left wing too, but how I interpret that is that he is the most left of the neoliberals rather than being left itself – so he supports many single issue left wing policies, but I don’t see him intending to take the party left.
But you are right, it is very difficult to find these things out. Little managed to call himself left the other day but couldn’t bring himself to call Labour a left wing party. All the candidates appear to be equivocating and not really saying what they think or believe or what they will do. We’re still waiting on DC to take some actions that will swing the partly left again, but I suspect it’s a vain hope. I agree with Bill’s analysis on this, that unless DC plays hardball with the ABCs and demotes people, we’re just going to have BAU.
btw, I don’t usually read phil’s posts because of the … so I may be missing some context.
@ weka..
“..btw, I don’t usually read phil’s posts because of the …”
..the amount of times you have moaned at me makes bullshit of that claim..
You do know what the word usually means right? Because I’m about to use it again.
I have a go at your fundamentalist vegan comments sometimes, but any other comments I make are usually because I’ve read people’s responses to you. I rarely read your comments initally and almost never read the long ones, I just scroll on through, all day, every day.
Besides which, you comment so much that even if I moaned at you once a day that’s still a very small percentage of comments I would have to have read. Given I also comment a lot I think you will find that I don’t talk with you much at all relative to how much I say things.
So what’s this reallly all about? You don’t like that someone has said they don’t read your comments because of your use of punctution so you make up shit about them? 🙄
get a grip..!
“So what’s this reallly all about? You don’t like that someone has said they don’t read your comments because of your use of punctution so you make up shit about them? ”
‘Usually’
@Mr Ure: You want Labour to become the Green Party. Instead, why don’t you come clean and declare your Green membership?
neut..i have been very upfront that i am a member of mana..
..f.y.i..my lifetime voting-arc has been labour – green – mana..
..yr point..?
Mana or Internet-Mana…?
Are you a KDC supporter…? Joh Minto and Miss Harre, those disciplined fighters..?
Are you…?
Uh…?
@ neut..
..cd u go and stand over there in the corner with slow-brian..?..thank you..
and if you are asking if i think minto and harre (alongside harawira and sykes) wd have made great mp’s..?
..and wd have only enhanced our democratic-life/processes..?
..yes..yes i do think that..
voting-arc has been labour – green – mana..
It’s possible your voting views are the same now as when you began, while all the parties have skipped, slipped, shuffled, stepped or leaped to “the right”
mana/ imp emerged to fill the vacuum that was left
@ manuka..
..aye..!
Dude, maybe telling the Maori caucus they “must” do things is kinda offensive? They aren’t the brown Borg. Rino Tirikatene nominated Grant Robertson – he seems to think Grant is the best option. Other Maori MPs will have different views, and that’s ok.
@ keir..
..you are aware that speechmarks indicate a quote..?
..i never used the word ‘must’…i used the word ‘hope’..
..and i am not insinuating they are all the same..
..i am expressing the ‘hope’ they will be able to see what is best for those they represent..
..and that has to be cunliffe + a brace of progressive-policies..
..and a renouncing of the neo-lib policies that got us to this place of high poverty/inequality..
..esp. amongst maori/p.i..
..what is unclear about that..?
…. I wasn’t replying ….
…to you ….
apologies..
No it is not it is a wasted opportunity to have a real say within the party, splitting their vote is plan dumb. Where is the consultation with the people that put him there?
If the Maori caucus have different views on the leadership, then that’s ok. Maori within the party have different views on the leadership. As I say, not the brown Borg.
I’m sure Rino has consulted about this decision – I’m sure he’s been pretty fiercely lobbied to support Grant by a big chunk of his Wellington based membership, and I’m sure other people have had conversations with him about other possible leaders. But he has free agency and isn’t just a prop in your political game, and has made his mind up. I think that deserves respect, not some patronising and vaguely racist “dumb” comment.
Maori have their own seats and collectively need to maintain a position that best benefits the collective. You only have to look at the policy platform that Labour ran. No specfic economic development policy for Maori. I had a Maori MP bemoaning this very fact to me. You would naturally expect Mahuta and some other Maori MP’s will have learnt the lesson of the split from Labour that saw the formation of the Maori & Mana Party. It’s is not a racist issue. It is a bargaining tool of representing your ‘overall constituency’ to get the best deal possible for the people who have the worst statistic’s of neo liberalism. United you stand, and as history showed Maori electorate MP’s, divided you beg and suffer a revolt from the Maori voters.
Surely labour Māori MP’s are first labour MP’s and are beholden to labour and generally (apart from Tariana) toe the party line even if they may personally disagree with it. This is why someone will moan behind closed doors but not publicly about the lack of specific policies to address inequality affecting many Māori or your example of ‘no specific economic development policy for Māori’.
Whichever leader they personally vote for is irrelevant apart from their personal preference – the leader chosen will be the leader they follow.
Looks like Parker has done to Cunliffe what Roberston did to Shearer. Parker could withdraw from being a candidate.
Will need to see what happens in caucus tomorrow with Parker as he is interim leader and now a candidate.
Does natural justice come into this?
“Does natural justice come into this?”
Haven’t you been following the news? In NZ, the politics and justice are mutually exclusive.
I meant applied to Parker standing and Parker filling in.
I know how Key runs the show, his way and he does not work for NZ he works for another government.
Parker wants to stay on as interim leader, however the other candidates will force him aside. So it is King who will takeover, unless she stands too, which would add another round of laughs.
only comes into it
IF the party isnt following its own rules on leadership race
AND
if someone wants to go to the high court to challenge it
Thanks.
There is no natural justice when the knives are out in the pursue of power.
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Pundit; Labour’s dilemma: The unelectable leader, by Tim Watkin
I endorse all that Tim Watkin has to say.
The above quote is about the UK.
The same applies in New Zealand.
Fuck Tony Blair. “Ultra-left” indeed. Lackey of transnational banking and oil interests. Part of the history of why UK Labour has a “paltry membership.” Because it suits a party elite consolidate its power over a political machine.
I see he is now doing standups in Palestine, as part of the refinancing of the reconstruction of Gaza and the “peace process”. The irony.
@ Colonial Rawshark (6.1)
I do not have much time for Tony Blair either. But I rarely paint all the opinions of anybody in black or white. I think Dirty John is perhaps our most obnoxious politician. But I sure as hell rate the ways he is dealing with MMP and coalition partners a lot higher than any of the Labour Leadership candidates appear to be doing at the moment.
I will certainly not defend Blair on banking and oil interests. His record on taking Britain into war. And whatever you say he is now doing in Palestine.
They are however nothing to do with the comment I made.
Your reply, trying to discredit an opinion by Tim Watkin about Labour Party methods of electing a leader, by the disgraceful actions of Tony Blair in the Middle East, is almost bizarre. But then Whaleoil has infused our political debate in an insidious manner.
Mr. Botany (B.)
I had a few friends in the UK Labour Party. Their complaint about Blair was that under his watch the UKLP became very authoritarian and dictatorial.
Tony Blair’s way of engaging with the electorate and getting them onside, is actually about engaging with the MSM and getting the MSM onside. Blair was always a favourite with the MSM long before he became leader (I was living in England at the time).
Many people left the UK LP under Balir’s watch because it became so authoritarian.
@ karol (6.1.1.1)
That’s a fair call, karol. Authoritarian and dictatorial aint nice.
The MMP environment in New Zealand may help. If people walk from Labour on the basis of Leadership style rather than policy differences, they may simply walk to the Greens or Mana. Which would not concern me at all.
But the issue of Blair’s authoritarian style, is not quite the main point that I saw in Tim Watkin’s article in “Pundit”: With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups? And the point he made, that while the membership may be given a large vote, the membership are not directly accountable to the electorate.
Are the Labour Party members demanding the Leader wear a large steel ball on his leg, as he is told to swim from one election to the next?
I do not have the full answer. I’m not totally convinced of my own position. The Greens for example appear to live in perfect harmony with flowers and nature, and yet have, potentially, the same issues. How does it work for them so well?
Mr. Botany (B.)
With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups? And the point he made, that while the membership may be given a large vote, the membership are not directly accountable to the electorate.
The first sentence is even more applicable to the Labour Party caucus.
The MPs require an active membership base in order to engage with the electorate. Without that, it is mainly the MPs talking to the electorate via the distorting mechanism of the MSM.
Are the Labour Party
memberscaucus demanding the Leader wear a large steel ball on his leg, as he is told to swim from one election to the next?FIFY
@ karol (6.1.1.1.1.1)
The first sentence (With a small Party membership are there any safeguards from being prey to sectarian special interest groups) is even more applicable to the Labour Party caucus.
The numbers are obviously smaller, so it would appear so. But the big difference is that the caucus are more directly accountable to the electorate. Sharpens the mind, when your job is on the line.
(depending on how representative the Labour membership is of the voters that the Party is trying to attract)
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The MPs require an active membership base in order to engage with the electorate. Without that, it is mainly the MPs talking to the electorate via the distorting mechanism of the MSM.
There is a big assumption here. (That I have referred to in my reply to Olwyn (6.3.1), and was the main point of the article by Tim Watkin in the Pundit: How representative are the Labour members of the electorate? Especially with a small membership?
My own experience with Labour members at an electorate level, suggests that Labour members are a thoroughly nice lot of people, but definitely a unique group of people. If MPs relied only on this group of people “to engage with the electorate” they would be dog tucker before lunch time.
You have put up an alternative, in which you suggest the other main way the MPs can engage with the electorate are through the MSM. Yeah, that is one way, but as we know from the last election, if they relied only on this group of people, they would be dog tucker before morning tea.
The truth is that a good MP will be meeting voters in the electorate as part of the job, every day. Meeting members of the Party will be a very important part of that process. And so will listening to the MSM. And so will attending meetings of local groups, door knocking, attending public events etc. It’s a full time job. That can be done well, or poorly. Can they filter out the bullshit? Even more difficult, can they listen to criticism, and take on board what is fair criticism? And harder still, adapt to that fair criticism?
And the smart parties use technology. Drum roll Kim Dotcom, obviously …. but as far as web presence is concerned, I do not know that the Greens could be trumped. And the master of them all, drum roll (of all people), Dirty John, the master of the POLL. The Nats have no philosophy, but adapt the flavour of this weeks announcements to what David Farrar tells them is concerning the voters most in the last week. There is something missing here, surely ….but, hell, it is mightily effective. At least at knowing what is on the public’s mind. I can surely assert with 101% confidence, that the information is a zillion times more valuable than listening only to the Party members.
(Just tell me WHY Dirty John has suddenly hopped on board his form of an interest in poverty?)
Mr. Botany (B.)
The Greens for example appear to live in perfect harmony with flowers and nature, and yet have, potentially, the same issues. How does it work for them so well?
The Greens DO NOT tolerate dissent at all. They squash it and force members to follow the official line. In fact, few of those members ever dare to open their mouths, because the Green Party is under the firm control of its leadersship.
The questions is: for how long? Electoral defeats like the last one cannot be neither pleasing nor kept away from Green supporters.
^^ Sounds like a RWNJ making shit up.
Neuted, the Greens are the most democratic party in parliament.
+1
He’s probably referring to David Hay who challenged Norman’s leadership in an election year, and did various things to undermine the party. He got suspended for a year.
Toryobserver is not neutral at all. Their job is to spread Whalespew memes and they are as cunning as one and a half turnips.
What?
The Green Party members I know are not at all like the ones you describe.
Then again, perhaps your idea of “dissent” is cretinous denial of scientific evidence or something. After all, you exhibit so little self-awareness in your choice of pseudonym.
I love how you are ducking and weaving from the obvious. You accept that Blair was highly authoritarian in his control over the party. You accept that Blair’s moral and economic legacy are pro-war and pro-corporates.
Yet you still stand by Blair’s quotes about the necessity of party democracy and being accountable to ordinary people when history makes it crystal clear that he is only spinning lines and believes in no such thing himself.
Get with it man.
@ Colonial Rawshark (6.1.1.1.1.3)
I love how you are ducking and weaving from the obvious
I love how you appear as an irritating little fly, asking to be swatted.
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You accept that Blair was highly authoritarian in his control over the party. You accept that Blair’s moral and economic legacy are pro-war and pro-corporates.
I am willing to accept propositions such as you have asserted. They are all possible, but totally irrelevant to what we were discussing. My main criticism of Blair relate to his actions in taking the UK into war on evidence that appears to have been a lie. Again, this is totally irrelevant to what we were discussing.
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Yet you still stand by Blair’s quotes about the necessity of party democracy and being accountable to ordinary people when history makes it crystal clear that he is only spinning lines and believes in no such thing himself.
I’m always wary of other people’s interpretations of what has been said, when the actual words are available. The tactic may work in verbal debates, but I’m buggered if I’m going to be fooled into “standing by” your interpretations.
The words that Tim Watkin wrote in his Pundit article, and I reproduced were:
Now this has nothing to do with Blair’s authoritarian style; it has nothing to do with his “pro-wars” and his “pro-corporates”.
Blair made a comment that UK Labour “became prey to sectarian groups from the Ultra-Left”. Tim Watkin said that was a “decent explanation for why the party remained in opposition for seventeen years after “empowering” members”
And I agree with Tim Watkin’s assessment, that it was a decent explanation.
Now you can avoid the point of the article by introducing debates about all sorts of red herrings as long as you like. But if you have any concerns about the possibility of New Zealand Labour going through 17 years of opposition – as I do – then I think the issue of that ‘decent explanation’ needs serious consideration
one thing is the greens know who and particularly what they stand for, and then they choose a leader.
LP is at best schizophrenic and its leaders somewhat self interested…
trust us we know what we are doing…
yea right
all evidence to the contrary.
@ Tracey (6.1.1.1.1.4)
What a wonderful post. What comes first is the vision, then the policies. The vision is paramount. You also accurately refer to it as “what they stand for”.
Everything else you say is spot on.
Labour presumably has a vision. It will be tucked away on a web page somewhere. It probably needs dusting off to see the light of day, considering everyone I speak to says that Labour seemed to “not know what the hell they were all about themselves”.
It certainly never saw the light of day during the election. The election appeared to be more about scoring points off Key, and reacting to events, rather than setting the agenda.
It’s not rocket science. And fortunately it is not too hard to fix. The harder part seems to be accepting that it is indeed a problem.
Mr. Botany (B.)
@ karol..
..i cringe in embarrassment that initially i welcomed the rise of tony blair and ‘new labour’..
..whereas he was just thatcherism in labour-drag..
Blair gave an impression of fresh-faced youthful naive keenness for a better society, an open, cheerful face that seemed to offer the promise of a new and better direction.
We need someone to invent special glasses that we can put on when looking at pollies that accentuates the small indications in their expressions to show the real character. Sort of like our own personal cartoonist – one of Terry Pratchett’s imps in a box perhaps.
And we could have a special voice tone gadget as sound techs use, that would be like a worm on the speaker, not for the reaction. That would shoot up and down to match the subterfuge level and a lie would go sky high, and a false promise ring a bell, loudly. We can’t trust ourselves and our own brains to do this obviously, after this recent election.
And perhaps we need to sit a basic test about government, the financial state of the country, our unemployment figures, and how our stats record these, before we can vote. We don’t let children or teenagers vote. But they may be more informed than many of us, and probably would make as good choices!
(On reported stats note Mike Joy, environmental scientist on Radionz talking to Kathryn Ryan this morning, taking the MoE and local bodies to task for formulating a populist, simple and false summary from a technical document on the state of our waterways, not indicated by the data at all, which in its turn is only for the last ten years which should be 15 to get a full picture of the decline of our water quality. Also note he says that Taranaki is the worst area. I think they had 77 monitoring sites but only reported data from 11.
You have to listen and try and understand to this, to be an informed citizen. I think a test should be a necessity before being able to vote. People whose heads only understand computer games moves, sporting details, tv personalities opinions and what their best friend did to make their car go faster should be left on Planet Zero.)
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It was Watkin who argued that because something was the case in Britain it must be so here. Not Colonial Rawshark.
@ mikesh (6.1.1.2)
(This reply copied from incorrect position at 6.6)
It was Watkin who argued that because something was the case in Britain it must be so here
First my mistake. Tim Watkin should read Phil Quin.
However, Phil Quin did not argue that.
I recommend you review Phil Quin’s article in full
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/labours-dilemma-the-unelectable-leader
boldsirbrian
Phil Quinn is a floating piece of polystyrene. Goes anywhere the tide takes it and can never be sunk. As far as I can see that is. Just from looking at his past history. He makes his money from being a mouth with things to say that might create interest in the media from which he speaks. But what quality?
You will be hard pressed to point out any ultra left NZ Labour members or ultra left sectarian NZ Labour Party members. Go on.
The LP ideology is reformism. Aka social democracy–the outward presentation of which changes from time to time while remaining class collaborationist at core. It is the antithesis of revolution or a fundamental change in class power.
But having said that, more democracy in most settings from the bowling club on up is generally positive compared to less democracy. So yes Cunliffe is probably somewhat unwillingly and likely unknowingly the best bet for Labour leader as long as he wields the axe through LECs etc to the obvious rogernomes and is influenced to support the right of workers to strike etc.
The main stream media and some of the blogs are part of the capitalist superstructure. It does not look like a one party state apparatus but has the same effect. Whaleboil with over 930 posts on David Cunliffe–what is that all about?
As I see it, the LP membership is pretty representative of LP voters, and they are not hard left. Moreover, these people want to be represented and also want their side to win – hence they do not disregard the electability of candidates in casting their votes. They gain nothing by their side winning, however, if that side does not see fit to represent them. The tension is not between over-ideological members and the broad electorate, it is between people who seek representation from the centre left, and wealthy potential donors/influencers who do not want to see those people honestly represented. The “centre” and the “electorate” are euphemisms for this.
Meanwhile, the precariat, both middle class and poor, are accumulating a “Boston tea-party” case – no taxation without representation. They pay GST on every meagre item they consume, but no one really wants to represent them.
@ Olwyn (6.3)
As I see it, the LP membership is pretty representative of LP voters
How do we know that Olwyn?
And even if that is true, are they representative of Labour Party Voters, and those other voters that we would like to be voting Labour?
Why would you expect them to be?
Here’s the thing, that piece by Phil Quinn is his typical bullshit. The idea that he is a disniterseted player is laughable. Now you can come at me with ‘oh but that’s ad hom’ and I’ll just ask you why on earth I should trust him?
Is he an a traight up guy? Does he have an agenda? Does he have a history of playing bullshit games?
These are avild questions to bear in mind when considering his argument that the leadership should be left up to caucus.
He claims that a opure caucus decision would be more democratic because MPs have been voted for. But that leaves aside the fairly salient pooint of how MPs are selected. He doesn;t want a borader range of input into leadership selection, he wants it controlled by a smaller group. Not coincidently, he has a history of playing games within that small group that he thinks should have control.
@ olwyn..
“..Meanwhile, the precariat, both middle class and poor, are accumulating a “Boston tea-party” case – no taxation without representation. They pay GST on every meagre item they consume, but no one really wants to represent them..”
that is a very good point there..olwyn..
@ Olwyn 6.3
You sound perfectly right. But as boldsirB asks – how do you know definitely about Labour members? Is there a way of knowing or accurately positing?
Hi greywarshark:
Olwyn, like me, is a member of the Labour Party who no doubt has known and socialised with many members over the years. I think we both have a good understanding of those members and how they are likely to respond to party matters. As Olwyn says, they are not hard left (far from it) and they certainly are not unintelligent. The problem which seems to have developed over a long period of time is that certain Labour MPs no longer seem willing to recognise that our viewpoints are very important and worth listening to…
The most obvious example is that many of us knew Labour’s major policy planks were not sitting well with the general public (more to do with presentation than the sentiments behind them) yet our oft repeated concerns were ignored.
On a related note I listened to Williams and Hooton on RNZ this morning and noticed that when discussing the leadership contest – especially as it related to David Cunliffe – both of them avoided mentioning the elephant in the room. That is, the effect of Dirty Politics and Key’s successful campaign in turning the blame around on the left and Labour in particular. When you add the also highly successful Liu campaign to smear Cunliffe then it is grossly unfair to label Cunliffe as a failure as both of them did. He made some mistakes, but they know only too well he was also destroyed by sinister forces out of his and Labour’s control.
Having said the above, I have not yet made a decision how I intend to vote and I suspect I am far from being alone. So, media suggestions that so and so is way ahead… and someone else is history… is just mindless speculation.
+1 Anne and Olwyn
As far as I can make out the problem is that members elect leaders rather than set policy. A parties politicians should be their only to advance what the party membership decides democratically.
This come upon two other issues:
1. People just aren’t used to having that sort input and control and so don’t have the self-confidence to do it and
2. Getting people to engage at that level is difficult
Then there’s the caucus that just don’t want to let power slip from their hands to those of the membership.
Thanks Anne, for coming to my defence – I had to run after writing that and have only just got back. I learned of David Cunliffe’s withdrawal on the bus, in a phone call from someone living in Australia. I will follow David’s advice and vote for Andrew Little now, but I have to admit I am finding the parliamentary LP very hard to like at the moment.
when did the uk introduce MMP?
@ mikesh (6.1.1.2)
It was Watkin who argued that because something was the case in Britain it must be so here
First my mistake. Tim Watkin should read Phil Quin.
However, Phil Quin did not argue that.
I recommend you review Phil Quin’s article in full
http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/labours-dilemma-the-unelectable-leader
I read a lot about the enthusiasm for Labour Party “democracy” with the members having 40% of the leadership vote. Now maybe Im a FPP kind of fossil (TLH was from the Wizzard of Id cartoons way way back) but why is voting for the leader a big deal to party members?
As members, you have opportunity through your own branches, and I understand via the LEC and via conferences to contribute to policies that you want Labour to promote. And then once they are sorted, your team goes out and promotes those policies to the electorate, and you either win or do not win the election.
If its because you cant trust your MPs in Wellington to do as the party members have agreed, then change the MPs.
Why not get the 2017 list sorted by late 2015, and put those who arent with the program, in list positions from 50-60, and then open their electorate nominations at the same time. They might get the picture about then.
Its not too dissimilar to what the Nats have done in the past, and to the electorate in general, it looks like renewal.
I have some questions.
Who is heading this Labour Party review process? Has anyone even been appointed? If so, have they actually started and why have members not been advised?
I ask these questions because after the initial announcement there appears to have been nothing…
The acting leader, in conjunction with the Party President, are the obvious people to draft the brief and to come up with a short list of people to head the review. I’d guess the NZ Council would have to sign it off.
The acting leader has been focused on his own career rather than the furure of the Party.
+100 Anne
The interesting part is which of the candidates will win more votes in the Labour caucus.
Now that Parker has entered the race, the split will increase among MPs, although it seems DC has the least chances and Grant Robertson the upper hand and could win the internal battle. Outside caucus is a different matter altogether.
^^^ Another RWNJ that doesn’t understand preferential voting.
A curious thing seems to be happening amongst the large and loaded. A couple of recent social events have led to well-heeled people talking about the injustice of the low waged not being paid enough to even live on.
There is a clear current in the community (right across it) that the lot of the low-paid is unjust and mean, not to mention grossly insufficient.
These rich people are genuinely concerned and want to see it remedied … an interesting phenomenon. Of course then the conversation gets lost in the way to achieve that, always ending up at the cost of money i.e. the bankers.
most interesting
To quote Draco: “We cannot afford the rich.”
“.. data from property analysis company CoreLogic has shown activity among investors who owned two or more properties had hit a 10-year high. Big investors with more than 10 properties were the most active, buying about two out of every five homes in August. ”
that worked well then!!
It screams big bust looming it does …..
Just incase anyone thought there was any legitimate reason to sell off power asset shares:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/10608177/Accessing-Mighty-Rivers-golden-stream
Who is Mr Nash working for, other than himself? Why this?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11340308
That’s the sound of some National Party ratfuckers demonstrating their perfidy and false friendship.
It begs the question of why now?
And where are the replies to the email?
Today I am announcing my candidacy for leader of the Labour Party.
My platform is:
1. Group therapy for the entire Labour caucus.
2. Ego management therapy for most of the male caucus members.
May I offer one suggestion with that campaign AmaKiwi.
Coffee enemias would be a good start, all round.
and retirement plannning.
lolz
Will you take Mr Phil Ure as Deputy Leader? He has also put his name in the hat.
Kathryn Ryan on ‘Nine to Noon’ with Hooton and Williams.
Hooton and (friend) Williams both bag David Cunliffe ….and seem positive towards Little and Parker
..Williams and (friend) Hooton both praise John Key on security and terrorism and war matters
….Hooton bags Facebook page in support of Cunliffe…says he and his friends are signing it to get Labour to lose again ( so the 5,000 signatures in support of Cunliffe are really fake signatures of support)….at this point Kathryn Ryan bags political blogs …doesnt take any notice of them
imo …this slot is NOT worth listening to …except to find out how Hooton is spinning the right wing agenda on the Labour Party and what Labour should be doing and where it should be going…..and wonder at how Hooton has Kathryn Ryan and Mike Williams wrapped around his little finger!…no hard questions are asked on this show …and there is no contradiction of what Hooton says…it should be called the ‘Hooton Political Spin Report’
…surely radionz could do better than this!
True. Another shocker from Ryan & friends.
No doubt MW is openly against DC and doing whatever possible to see him defeated.
Oh foreshore foreshore the biased angst of Ryan is painful and Mike is getting like like a lot of us over 60, the realization that this Key winning the last 3 elections was no boyhood wet dream
I just regret not finding his ivory tower back in the early 80’s and smashing it to hell before he could ever get started
The amount of stupid in this article is mind-boggling :
“Greens-induced law is kinder to cattle” – http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/10602636/Greens-induced-law-is-kinder-to-cattle
What, you mean that the woman basically argues that women should be treated the same as the slave cows in industrial dairying, and be forced to breed?
Yep. And that because people are against forced induction at 8 months then they should be against women having a choice in the first few months.
And that when a Bill passes a majority apparently it’s the Greens fault alone.
What I didn’t understand is how the cows get pregnant out of synch with the other cows. I thought that kind of farming was tightly controlled, so isn’t this down to the farmer?
..and Cunliffe’s out.
That’s what twitter says – not yet confirmed though. Cunlifffe to hold a press conference at 2pm
Carney raises the heat on climate: you can’t burn all the oil
Apparently even some banksters recognise reality.
That aint workin thats the way u do it
You play the voters on telliviz see
For gods sake get some policies that represent the labour voters
and attack National for its abuse of the poor and democracy and the parliamentary process
National should have been gone by lunch time this election
Their actions as a govt have been close to a crime on to many occassions
Now the bastard wants to waste more of the countries resources getting us involved deeper in a war that is really the responsibility of the US UK France and any other nation directly involved in the mess since 911 get real we are 4 million people making a mess in our own backyard Clean that up Key
And probably were on many of those occasions.
Worker Owned Cooperative Produces Independent Media
Will be interesting to see how it goes.
@DTB…wow interesting!…we need that sort of cooperative grassroots media here ….and combined with a radio station!
….could really change the political and media landscape… and God knows we need it!
It’d be excellent in changing our media landscape. Done well it’d show our present MSM up as the National poodles that they are.
I am wondering if United Future has 500 members. This can also be said about the ACT party.
When your rights are under attack – STAND UP!
FIGHT BACK!
FYI
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13 October 2014
MEDIA UPDATE – Penny Bright
“Legal spanner now in the works to help stop the forced rating sale of my home.”
I have just received this email from Auckland Council’s Senior Solicitor, Civil Litigation, regarding my:
1. Application to set aside judgment (of the District Court dated 24 Feb 2012)
2. Interlocutory application for stay of proceeding
which were filed on Thursday 9 October 2014. and Friday 10 October 2014 respectively.
The next step is for the Auckland District Court to set a hearing date to hear these two ‘intertwined’ matters.
Auckland Council intends to oppose these applications.
In the meantime – High Court proceedings to sell my home are effectively stalled.
Legally, these applications are effectively a big, fat spanner in the Auckland Council works, in their historic and legally unprecedented attempt to force the rating sale of a freehold home.
This stand that I am making is in defence of the lawful rights of ALL citizens and ratepayers for transparency and accountability of Auckland Council rates spending.
How many billion$ are being spent by Auckland Council and Auckland Council Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) on private sector consultants and contractors?
What are the NAMES of these private sector consultants and contractors?
What is the SCOPE of these contracts?
What is the TERM of these contracts?
What is the VALUE of these contracts?
Why aren’t citizens and ratepayers being given these ‘devilish details’?
It’s OUR public money!
Where EXACTLY is it going?
How can you have transparency or accountability, without proper written records?
The Public Records Act 2005, makes this a clear statutory requirement of local authorities under section 17 :
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html
Recordkeeping requirements
Subpart 1—Key duties
17 Requirement to create and maintain records
(1) Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
(2) Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.
(3) Every local authority must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all protected records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act.
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Where are the STATUTORY ‘Third Party Public Watchdogs’ on this issue?
Why are they apparently so spectacularly useless?
Where are Transparency International New Zealand?
Given that New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’, according to the 2013 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ – shouldn’t we be the MOST transparent?
Where is the NZ ‘Tax Payers’ Union?
Don’t they purportedly support transparency in government spending?
Why does an ordinary citizen like myself, feel the need to take such an extraordinary stand, in order to ensure that Auckland Council follows the law?
Because NOBODY else is trying to hold Auckland Council and their ‘Corporate Controlled Organisations (CCOs), accountable to the law.
That is why believe that this draconian attempt is being made to ‘neck stamp’ me – because I am an outspoken anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ – who has been ‘blowing the whistle until my eyeballs bleed’ (as it were 🙂
I look forward to defending myself in the Auckland District Court (again), against Auckland Council (again), as happened when I was individually singled out over the Occupy Auckland legal proceedings, as a ‘Named Defendant’.
http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
In the Occupy Auckland case, it was proven (again) that you CAN ‘beat City Hall’.
At the end of the day, I feel very comfortable and relaxed in anticipation that although these proceedings were started by Auckland Council – that I shall (again) finish them ……
Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2013
Attendee: G20 Anti-Corruption Conference 2014
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Case Management Team
Auckland District Court
The Auckland Council has been served the attached applications by Ms Penny Bright (“applications”):
1. Application to set aside judgment (of the District Court dated 24 Feb 2012)
2. Interlocutory application for stay of proceeding
The Council intends to oppose the applications.
I understand that the court has yet to allocate a hearing date. Given that the applications are intertwined, could you please ensure that they are heard together.
I look forward to receiving the notice of hearing for the applications.
Ngā mihi | Regards
John Hilario BA LLB | Senior Solicitor – Civil Litigation
Legal Services | Auckland Council
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Visit our website: http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz
Auckland Council
+100.. Go Penny!….brave anti-corruption campaigner
TED Talk| Pia Mancini: How to upgrade democracy for the Internet era
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What?
Read this from Snowden:
And wondered, after all he’d been through, how he could be so naive. Doesn’t he realise that the government today works for the companies?
The answer doesn’t lie in private business and competition but in us being cooperative and using OpenSource software and hardware.
Nah, the real naivete is that he is wrong. Nobody much cares that they have no privacy. We’re the most watched people in human history and we just don’t care. If anything, we rush to out ourselves on fb and similar platforms.
Speak for yourself Te Reo Putake. I think the majority of people are willfully unaware they are the most watched people in history. They think, it’s not them being watched by the corporate edifice, it’s someone else – the bad people.
They have not realised they are living in the corporate elects piffling smoke screen. Actually I think the majority here are willfully ignorant of the power of the corporations. They seem to think this or that politician is somehow above or removed from this corporate giant. It’s a worry – it’s also the reason I don’t comment on the posts about this or that political party shenanigans very much.
It’s also the reason I say labour are dead – if you think any political party can drag us back from this corporatocracy you’re living in – I want what your smoking.
Because after low wage, is no wage.
Working people have nothing in common with their rules – the sooner they realise the elites hate them with a vengeance – the better.
Paul Henry in the morning – yuk.
http://www.3news.co.nz/business/paul-henry-to-host-cross-platform-breakfast-show-2014101316
Michael Wilson and Sacha McNeil do a great job…. so they obviously need to be replaced.
James Macbeth Dann @edmuzik 3 hrs,
“so Foodstuffs have finally admitted that it was their produce that was linked to the Yersinia outbreak. The CDHB knew last week
but the CDHB was asked by the MPI not to release the names, as they might damage the brands. As opposed to damaging people. With illness”
https://twitter.com/edmuzik/status/521534681083154433
Government of the people, by the politicians for the corporations.
People who put the corporations before the people need to be locked away for our safety.
Foodstuffs needs to fire Carrick Graham.
He’s toxic
Appalling
Mr Key said the Ministry was dealing with the outbreak as best it can.
“You wouldn’t want them jumping to conclusions, naming products, naming suppliers or naming supermarkets when it’s not exactly clear what is the particular product that is causing these tummy bugs.”
Next story in National: Call for police to be fully armed
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/220500-dick-morris-clinton-orchestrated-panettas-hit-on-obama
US Dirty politics for anyone who is interested, Tactics sound familiar?