Open Mike 14/08/2018

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  1. Ed 1
    14 August 2018 at 6:06 am

    Amazingly, the two biggest stories facing the world are absent from New Zealand’s msm.

    Climate Change and the oncoming global economic crash.
    Events in Turkey are unraveling….

  2. Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2
    14 August 2018 at 6:10 am

    So what happens now?

    What happens when the understanding, the awareness, finally filters down and enters the minds of the sheeple that we humans have done irreparable damage to our only home, Planet Earth?

    Whether in eight years, as Guy McPherson would have us believe, or about the year 2050 as more mainstream climatologists are now suggesting, conditions on earth will have deteriorated to the extent that human life cannot be sustained. Certainly, we most probably won’t see 2100.

    And they will wake to the fact eventually, even if there is a conspiracy among the elite and the knowing to keep them in ignorance for as long as possible.

    How do people react – or, more to the point, how should they react? Does a collective despair overwhelm us all? Or do we, as some characters in Neville Shute’s ‘On the Beach’ do, try to cram as much into what little time we have left, even if it ‘kills’ us?

    In an ironic way, the more primitive societies may last the longest. Man resident in the great conurbations will perhaps feel the impacts first and more extremely.

    But seriously, how does one prepare for the realisation that we humans only have perhaps fifty years left? That we are ‘the sixth mass extinction’?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clT_uyUui5c

    • Ed 2.1
      14 August 2018 at 6:14 am

      Superb.
      Worthy of a post in its own right.

      Given human history, wars are a likely outcome.
      I highly recommend Gwynn Dyer’s Climate Wars.
      It looks at several future scenarios- most of them very ugly as the world runs out of water and food.
      The India/Pakistan nuclear war over the Himalayan h adwaters is one that sticks in my mind.
      Written 10 years ago and coming to pass.

      • mickysavage 2.1.1
        14 August 2018 at 7:23 am

        Good idea. OK by you TV?

        • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2.1.1.1
          14 August 2018 at 7:39 am

          Yes, Micky, but really, I don’t know what more I could add. I think we DO need to begin a conversation about how we, humans, will handle the collective realisation that our days are probably numbered.

          This is more than going to the top of a mountain, sitting, yoga style, and chanting ‘we are doomed.’ The sooner we realise we very probably do face mass extinction unless we do something really radical, the better prepared we might be for the enormous changes that will lie ahead, in the next decade or two.

          We can’t go on pretending that the ‘perpetual present’ will last forever. And we can’t. simply can’t go on pretending that tinkering round the edges will make the least difference.

          But I do, strangely enough, still have enormous confidence in the ability of the human race to adapt to emergencies. Educate the people and see where that collective consciousness takes us!

          It really is that serious!

          • corodale 2.1.1.1.1
            14 August 2018 at 8:07 am

            Perhaps the US Space Force will successfully relocate Israel on the moon, make space for peace.

          • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 2.1.1.1.2
            14 August 2018 at 8:22 am

            To quote from ‘Your Attention Please’ by Peter Porter, 1983

            “Some of us may die.
            Remember, statistically
            It is not likely to be you.”

            It wasn’t true then and it isn’t true now!

          • Carolyn_Nth 2.1.1.1.3
            14 August 2018 at 8:57 am

            Or you can follow Jess Berentson Shaw’s research findings on how to counter , or marginalise misinformation in the digital age:

            https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/13-08-2018/misinformation-is-riding-a-digital-wave-heres-how-we-can-counter-it/

            In A Matter of Fact I discuss how we can frame evidence about important social issues through the lens of shared helpful values. These sorts of frames lead to a greater likelihood that people will see and believe the evidence that scientists and researchers produce, but that is too often ignored or overshadowed in public debate.

            Frame evidence about climate change, for example, through values of care for each other (as opposed to our demise in a mega storm). People are much more likely to see and act on effective climate action evidence if you do.

          • sumsuch 2.1.1.1.4
            14 August 2018 at 9:25 pm

            Well, apart from blowing the road in and out of the Ureweras (once I’ve established myself with them as their Pakeha Maori) or blowing the road in or out of Gisborne I rather hope NZ can embrace community and hold together, rather than be slain one by one as individuals (as ACT would prefer, no doubt).

            We become more absurd where not ridiculous as the years roll on, especially so for those educated in the last hundred of the ancient Roman Republic. Laughs are the main dividends.

    • Bill 2.2
      14 August 2018 at 9:20 am

      Bit of a bugger that the least “out of touch” societies – those less psychotically displaced from nature and so most likely able to adapt to change – are in tropical and equatorial regions that are destined to become uninhabitable on our current emissions trajectory – ie have wet bulb temperatures beyond the limits of a human being’s biological tolerance.

      We have something like a maximum of 20 years (being optimistic) to hit zero carbon from energy, that would have massive knock on effects in terms of carbon from land use. It can be done. It’s fairly straight forward to do, but economic madness as far as “high priests” of economics are concerned.

      All politicians are in thrall to those “high priests” and their institutions, so…

      Anyway, the other broad group of people better placed to deal with various dislocations are the poor. But again, most of the world’s poor live in tropical and equatorial regions or, if we look at the poor in western countries, we’re being denied the possibility to prepare.

      And the richest are happy to keep the ball rolling because they are fucking stupid enough to think they can fly into places identified as “safe havens” – places like NZs South Island.

      I kind of like the image of a useless rich bastard sitting in a multi million dollar property up by Queenstown clutching at a tin of beans, hopelessly cursing the lack of a tin opener and thinking – “If only the internet was still running I could get an app” 🙂

      • Gabby 2.2.1
        14 August 2018 at 7:36 pm

        They’ll be sending out their Riders to take your cattle and your womenfolk billy.

      • sumsuch 2.2.2
        14 August 2018 at 9:38 pm

        But what a rich culture now. And 15 years more of it if we are conservative. Just needs turning off the news. To be honest, none of the news in my 50 years was needed, mattered to me personally, except as diversion, utilisation for the entertainment of my brain. Just a matter of my pa standing at the table reading the paper after work.

      • WILD KATIPO 2.2.3
        15 August 2018 at 3:31 am

        Naw mate,… here’s Phil Schneider and what he has to say…

        PHILIP SCHNEIDER – UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES (FULL …
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xedmfAgx8eg

    • Gosman 2.3
      14 August 2018 at 9:32 am

      You guys are a bundle of laughs.

    • WILD KATIPO 2.4
      15 August 2018 at 3:14 am

      [ ‘ And they will wake to the fact eventually, even if there is a conspiracy among the elite and the knowing to keep them in ignorance for as long as possible ‘ ] .

      Heh.

      The ‘global elite’ have it all worked out.

      The Georgia Guidestones – A Depopulation Agenda? – YouTube
      Video for georgia stones youtube▶ 4:21
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3qEEZQRWs

  3. Andre 3
    14 August 2018 at 6:59 am

    Transparency advocates and whistleblowers that have kept actual principles and credibility are losing patience with Assange and peeling away from Wikileaks …

    “A botched power play by Julian Assange has led to a split within a key organization supporting whistleblowers and leaves the WikiLeaks founder more isolated than ever among his core constituency of radical transparency activists.

    Assange has grown furious at a one-time ally with substantial moral authority within their movement: the journalist and activist Barrett Brown.

    Since his release from federal prison on trumped-up charges related to a major corporate hack, Brown been increasingly public in voicing disgust at Assange’s embrace of Donald Trump and his general comfort with the nationalist right. That has led Assange, an erstwhile transparency advocate and whistleblower champion, to retaliate.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-went-after-a-former-ally-it-backfired-epically?ref=home

  4. marty mars 4
    14 August 2018 at 7:57 am

    Thinking of Aretha

    To be young, gifted and black…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7VJAhnxlc

    ht – dave

  5. bruce 5
    14 August 2018 at 8:18 am

    Lots of talk about falling confidence lately, apparently due to the newish government, interesting to see it has also affected our neighbours.
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/business-confidence-australia-illion-retail-services-construction-2018-7

  6. The Chairman 6
    14 August 2018 at 8:20 am

    Is this the sort of response we expect from our newly elected Green MPs?

    When asked whether the OIO should have proactively sought the status of the legal action, Sage responded: “If you want to sit in this seat than perhaps you should stand for election.”

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/08/08/184160/sage-approved-chinese-bottler-despite-arsenic-allegations#

    • Puckish Rogue 6.1
      14 August 2018 at 9:39 am

      How dare a mere journalist question their betters, off with their heads!

      • bwaghorn 6.1.1
        14 August 2018 at 10:22 am

        If collins had said it you would be tugging your pud saying what a strong woman is she.

      • The Chairman 6.1.2
        14 August 2018 at 12:24 pm

        “How dare a mere journalist question their betters, off with their heads!”

        Yeah, that’s how it came across to me as well. Not a good look for the Greens.

        Wonder if Shaw or anyone has had a word to her about it?

        Wonder if members will give her a blasting at the up and coming party conference?

        • Puckish Rogue 6.1.2.1
          14 August 2018 at 12:27 pm

          I’m thinking its now more likely journalists will try to needle her more to try to get a reaction

          When a shark smells blood and all that

    • Grey Area 6.2
      14 August 2018 at 10:34 am

      Last week’s news. Please keep up.

      • The Chairman 6.2.1
        14 August 2018 at 12:29 pm

        What has developed since then?

        Has Shaw or anyone had a word with her?

        Are you expecting her to receive a blasting from the membership?

        Has she apologised? Moreover, did she end up answering the question?

  7. AsleepWhileWalking 7
    14 August 2018 at 8:28 am

    Haumaha calls witness ahead of Herald story on alleged bullying – police to investigate

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12106306

    • marty mars 7.1
      14 August 2018 at 10:16 am

      Fool. Wally is playing footy and the opposition are playing golf. He is on the slippery slope now and he should try to slide without hitting every wall on the way down. But I doubt he’ll do that.

  8. AsleepWhileWalking 8
    14 August 2018 at 8:37 am

    I like this kid. Hope he gets in and shakes up the place.

    “I think Vermonters should take me seriously because I have practical progressive ideas, and I happen to be 14, not the other way around,” Sonneborn said in a recent televised gubernatorial forum. “I think that my message and my platform transcend age.”

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/106238958/14yearold-us-boy-uses-legal-quirk-to-run-for-vermont-governor-as-democrat

  9. SaveNZ 9
    14 August 2018 at 8:44 am

    Monsanto to Pay $289.2M in Landmark Roundup Lawsuit Verdict
    https://www.organicconsumers.org/blog/monsanto-roundup-trial-verdict

  10. SaveNZ 10
    14 August 2018 at 9:08 am

    “Big Read: How double rapist William Katipa was sent to prison and was able to become a monster behind bars”

    This is shocking – allowing rapists free reign to rape others (normally a lot younger) in prison. No wonder the reoffending rate is so high in NZ. You would think they would try and group the less violent inmates together and similar age groups not putting young non violent offenders with older hardened offenders who then abuse them. Do they have zero logic at all in corrections?

    Not only that corrections sounds like they implemented a computer system that had codes nobody understood, anyone remove codes without anyone knowing who did it, and unbelievably, no legend so the officers actually could not work out the codes!

    “There was also risk attached to the 68 different types of alerts with no guidelines for reference and confused staff as a result.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12104889

    • Puckish Rogue 10.1
      14 August 2018 at 9:44 am

      Labour obviously doesn’t think its such a big deal

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/07/revealed-govt-slammed-prison-double-bunking-but-signed-off-on-it-anyway.html

      Double-bunking fails to deliver the type of prison the Government wants to see, a paper Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis presented to Cabinet shows.

      But despite advice saying double-bunking fails to help prisoners rehabilitate, Mr Davis signed off on plans that rely on the practice.

      • SaveNZ 10.1.1
        14 August 2018 at 10:13 am

        Double bunking is not a good idea, but even within the system a bit of logic goes a long way. Aka don’t put the young non violent offenders (aka one poor kid was just there on property crimes) being put in with a convicted rapist nearly twice his age. You should not have to rely on a computer to tell you that is not a good idea.
        Not only that, the rapist has been with 50 other prisoners, why so many?

        Sounds like even in 2016 the convicted rapist was put with a teenager even after other prison rapes being reported????

        Shouldn’t there be investigation and separation after any allegation in prison?

        Did the victims get any psychological help afterwards, I guess not, corrections/police did not even lay charges, and one of the victims when released went on to rape himself after not having any history of sexual crimes before.

        Why didn’t the penny drop for corrections at some point, it’s not cludo here, the poor kids are putting out notes for help under the corrections noses, while being ignored!

        BTW the the codes were removed in 2014 so is that under Judith’s watch? Maybe so they could increase double bunking under the Natz, plus increase the recidivism rates by the young prisoners being screwed over (literally) by the system to help the private prisons and prison construction become a reality. As well as keeping Maori voters out of circulation from voting?

        • Puckish Rogue 10.1.1.1
          14 August 2018 at 10:16 am

          ‘Double bunking is not a good idea, but even within the system a bit of logic goes a long way. Aka don’t put the young non violent offenders (aka one poor kid was just there on property crimes) being put in with a convicted rapist nearly twice his age. You should not have to rely on a computer to tell you that is not a good idea.
          Not only that, the rapist has been with 50 other prisoners, why so many?’

          Agreed

      • marty mars 10.1.2
        14 August 2018 at 10:19 am

        Somehow while collins was minister of corrections

        “…The Shared Accommodation Cell Risk Assessment (Sacra) tool made recommendations by drawing on a prisoner’s age, security classification, offending history, history of imprisonment, gang affiliation, “physical characteristics”, mental health and other special needs.

        As a result, a note was made on Katipa’s file expressly banning him from being housed with other inmates.

        The warning was inexplicably removed in 2014 and Katipa was again housed with other inmates.”

        • Puckish Rogue 10.1.2.1
          14 August 2018 at 10:24 am

          I don’t believe she had anything to do with the note being removed but if she did then she needs to be punished for it

          • marty mars 10.1.2.1.1
            14 August 2018 at 10:28 am

            Indeed. Totally agree.

            • SaveNZ 10.1.2.1.1.1
              14 August 2018 at 10:55 am

              They should do an investigation though, it should be traceable. It is appalling someone was able to remove a major safety message, and nobody knows who did it.

              Also to rule out that individual correction officers were not using him to “punish” other inmates if they gave them trouble. Again 50 other prisoners seems very excessive to be bunking him with.

              • marty mars …
                14 August 2018 at 11:19 am

                Yes – I hadn’t even thought about the corrections people using this rapist as a weapon to keep inmates in line. Holy hell – what a horrible mess this is.

                • SaveNZ …
                  14 August 2018 at 11:45 am

                  If a prisoner reports being raped, you have to wonder why corrections don’t call the police and do a rape kit and then lay charges. Clearly something is very wrong.

                  Likewise with being attacked in prison. They should call the police so it become clearer who is safe to double bunk with, and who is not.

                  The culture of some prisons seems to be lawlessness and lack of action, which needs to change to address recidivism.

                  this is interesting article from 2016 and they state

                  “Maori make up more than half of the 8,000-odd male prison population in New Zealand. Around 34 percent of the prison population are between the ages of 20 and 29. violent crime, which makes up 37 percent of the types of offence committed by inmates.”

                  https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/05/maori-zealand-prisons-160525094450239.html

                  I think unfortunately our prison population has skyrocketed since 2016, (in my view Meth is also a huge part of it as well as economic/social policy).

                  The younger prisoners are significant 34%, and they should be separated as well as 63% are not considered violent so maybe only those double bunked would be a start.

            • AB 10.1.2.1.1.2
              14 August 2018 at 12:42 pm

              I vividly recall the sparkle of delight in Judith’s eye when she said of Christchurch looters:
              “I hope they go to jail for a long time – with a cellmate.”
              So it seems that she approves in principle of rape as an additional extra-judicial punishment in some cases , even though she obviously wasn’t the one who removed the note in this instance.

              • SaveNZ …
                14 August 2018 at 1:33 pm

                They should be employing more registered psychologists in prison. Often victims of sexual crime go on to offend sexually themselves. Police and Corrections need to nip it in the bud because that type of violence causes mental health issues, more drug and alcohol use and inability to function in society and recidivism.

                Don’t forget we have the next generation of P babies coming through as well.

                The war of P has not worked. Was complaining the other day that simple things, aka apparently Helensville a a big area for Meth and the local police shut their doors at 4pm and the crims get free reign after that because the other police stations are 40 minutes away.

                Maybe they should think about some simple preventative solutions to try to stop people entering into prison such as basic enforcement measures to prevent small crime turning into bigger more violent crimes and a real war on P, not just a slogan, like having 24 hour police in local towns.

                The government also need to build more drug rehab facilities. They are going to need them, and costs the same or less than prison. Drugs like Meth are now being commercialised and widespread with overseas gangs bringing in the raw ingredients and using mules like foreign students to bring it in and launder the proceeds with property transactions or even like this case a new market with rich overseas drug addicts being sent to NZ to study (or via a wife) to hide shame on their families.

                “Indian families are marrying their drug-addicted sons to young women and paying for the women’s study here in New Zealand as a pathway to residency for their sons. ”

                https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/voices/audio/2018636396/slavery-through-education

          • Bewildered 10.1.2.1.2
            14 August 2018 at 3:53 pm

            With your Collins fetish I assume you will volunteer to administer such punishment Puckish 😊

        • SaveNZ 10.1.2.2
          14 August 2018 at 10:49 am

          @ PR and marty mars, but lets hope the politicians don’t waste all their time on debating who is to blame politically, and just get on with it, and solve these problems as soon as possible to save more victims and recidivism. Some things don’t cost money or take much time, like common sense and working quickly to improve a problem!

          In hospital they also have paper records and a lot of churn, but before anything they check and check again, identity and whether treatment is for the correct patient at every point within the process. They might check a person’s identity and treatment 10 times in a day. It does not take long but saves massive mistakes in the long run if done accurately.

          They need to implement that more in the corrections systems, not just reading a computer to make the decision but double checking those decisions meet some common sense objective, identity and crimes match, and being accountable for them too at an individual level, aka if they put a convicted 50 yo rapist serving life, in with a 19 year old. Should not be happening.

        • veutoviper 10.1.2.3
          14 August 2018 at 10:49 am

          You asked last night on Daily Review, who was the Minister of Corrections in 2014 in relation to this issue.

          Ann Tolley was Minister of Corrections from 14 Dec 2011 until 6 Oct 2014 when Pesata Sam Lomu-Iiga became Minister with the reshuffle of Key’s Cabinet following the 2014 General Election.

          Judith Collins replaced Lomu-Iiga on 14 Dec 2015 for one year until 20 Dec 2016, with her ‘rehabilitation’ and return to Cabinet. Collins had previously been Minister of Corrections from 19 Nov 2008 until 13 Dec 2011.

          Re the removal of the note, however, Ministers etc do not have access to Corrections’ records on individual prisoners etc.

          • marty mars 10.1.2.3.1
            14 August 2018 at 10:56 am

            Cool. I did find something from 2014 ministry of corrections signed by Judith Collins as minister so I thought that was ok but I must have got that wrong. Happy to be corrected. Thanks.

            As to the note – I was having thoughts of all sorts of horrible things, so good you have cleared that up too.

          • SaveNZ 10.1.2.3.2
            14 August 2018 at 10:57 am

            Thanks veutoviper, looks like Judith is off the hook at any rate for being in charge that year and it was under either Ann Tolley orPesata Sam Lomu-Iiga.

    • Gabby 10.2
      14 August 2018 at 7:21 pm

      Almost as if the screws were using katipa to soften up the newbies isn’t it.

  11. SaveNZ 11
    14 August 2018 at 9:38 am

    The police records system also seems to have a terrible computer system with staff that seem unable to cope or be accurate to create the reports. The the police are pulling up the wrong records, that create incorrect assessments and the inaccuracies flowing through or going through the system with with the corrections, parole and through to the courts and to the offenders own lawyers who don’t pick it up (and should they have to?).

    This particularly discriminates against Maori as they often have similar surnames. Aka if they have a common name John Heke there may be 100 others with the same name, so from the get go with police personal somehow getting the wrong record (aka someone who has extensive record against someone who doesn’t with the same name), followed by corrections, parole officers and the courts, create a programme based on incorrect information.

    The mistakes then become a reality with the personal working the computers creating incorrect reports, while they “cut and paste’ information onto new records or create recommendations based on incorrect information. There are few checks and balances for them to be corrected and very difficult if the offender is not very literate themselves and they have a public defender lawyer assigned to them who just appears in court and relies on the myriad of documents presented to them by the police and corrections to be accurate.

    Police and corrections need to do a comprehensive review of the accuracy of their operators using computers and see how many of the records going to the courts are completely accurate and is the user interface simple enough for them to operate the computers accurately. Also if a mistake is made, the person who made it should be identified so they can be retrained. Otherwise there is zero loop to improve the accuracy and check the people changing and creating them.

    • SaveNZ 11.1
      14 August 2018 at 10:21 am

      Also think there should be separate prisons or wings for prisoners under 25 years old and they should not be allowed to go near the older prisoners, let alone be bunked with them.

      The system should be doing everything possible to stop those under 25 in particular from reoffending and give them more support educationally, psychologically and post prison.

  12. Dennis Frank 12
    14 August 2018 at 9:39 am

    Our govt initiative to mitigate climate change soon to start: “The Greens have won a big concession from the One Billion Trees programme, forcing Shane Jones to accept that two-thirds of the trees planted will be natives, Thomas Coughlan reports.”

    “Yesterday’s funding announcement comes in addition to the $245m already allocated to the tree planting programme from the fund. The two tranches of funding totalling $485m… will be available later this year. Jones said they should result in an additional 60 million trees being planted over the next three years.”
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@politics/2018/08/13/190298/greens-win-big-native-trees-concession

  14. OnceWasTim 14
    14 August 2018 at 12:14 pm

    In breaking news, a terrier will be replacing an airdale on RNZ’s ‘Checkpoint’.
    Media pundits are hailing this as progressive and insightful (going forward).
    The terrier has a proven record etc etc etc, and the airdale is set to go onto far better things at TVNZ.
    Gorgeous. I wish the terrier and the airdale all the best in their future careers. (Because of course, it’s all about them)
    One day, people might wake up (including those inside the bubble) and begin to understand that psb isn’t ekshully all about them. I think it might take a while though.

  15. Puckish Rogue 15
    14 August 2018 at 12:48 pm

    https://www.labour.org.nz/maria_berryman_review (March 19)

    “Ms Berryman is commencing immediately with the initial focus of her investigation on the Young Labour camp in February. The review is expected to take between two and three months,” said Nigel Haworth, Labour Party President.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105222563/labour-party-summer-camp-accused-appears

    ‘The Labour Party review was expected to be released by mid-August.’

    Anyone want to take a bet it won’t be released this month?

  16. Kevin 16
    14 August 2018 at 1:08 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/13/turkish-lira-record-low-ripples-through-global-currency-markets

    “Nobody has an interest in an economic destabilisation in Turkey. But everything must be done to ensure an independent central bank,” Merkel said as the euro hit a 13-month low on currency markets.”

    Ahhh, that Merkel’s a comedian.

    As with Greece, its not about the money, it’s about toeing the line. I guess Turkey and the Russians were just getting a little too close, for comfort.

  18. Hongi Ika 18
    14 August 2018 at 6:11 pm

    Eugenics Sage and the Pro 1080 Green Party – can’t get around the Greens logic, we use 90% of the world’s 1080, one of the most toxic materials on the planet.

    We are damaging our ecosystems does anyone have any technical data on this lovely environmentally friendly material ?

    • weston 18.1
      14 August 2018 at 8:22 pm

      Nah mate its like glyphosate 1080 just breaks down naturally in the soil an disappears completely …the fact that dogs deer horses cows an anything else that consumes it die absolutely horrible deaths is irrelevant !!

      • corodale 18.1.1
        15 August 2018 at 8:52 am

        … only remaining toxin is a bit of fluorine. Which is the stuff they put in our drinking water, hmmmm….

        (glyphosate has a more complex decomposition chain)

        • weston 18.1.1.1
          15 August 2018 at 7:41 pm

          We get told repeatedly that both substances breakdown completely and quickly in the soil and perhaps this may be more or less true on the FIRST application but anyone can see with glyphosate if you keep using it in one area the situation is changed and almost nothing will grow there anymore except the more hardy and persistent weeds like Fireweed for ex. on roadside edges..Therefore the reported science is flawed at best and a pack of lies at worst .Ive seen what 1080 does to animals and harmless is not how i,d describe it .

        • Incognito 18.1.1.2
          15 August 2018 at 11:18 pm

          I think you mean fluoride? Fluorine is a chemical element and a halogen and exists as a gas (F2).

    • mauī 18.2
      14 August 2018 at 10:14 pm

      Scientists are pretty good with technical data and most I would think don’t have an issue with its use.

      The parties that are most affected and concerned are hunters and animal welfare people. Ecosystem health isn’t their top priority.

      • weston 18.2.1
        15 August 2018 at 8:15 pm

        Personally i,m not in awe of “Scientists ” ..i think many of them should have Mad in front of them .Also its a fact that many “Scientists ” are under the influence of corporations quite often of very large corporations so anything they might say you can take with a pinch of the proverbial salt .Large amounts of conceit and general traits of myopia are common in the species as well imho !!Your intended slur concerning hunters and animal welfare groups is unfair too maui , sure there might be the odd exception but generally speaking ive found the opposite is true .

  19. Hongi Ika 19
    14 August 2018 at 9:14 pm

    A work colleague told me that it is virtually harmless to humans now days as they put low concentrations of active ingredients in the product which is non toxic to human beings ?

  20. Eco Maori 20
    15 August 2018 at 7:34 am

    Good evening The AM Show Loyd that bridge that collapsed in Italy part of the problem was the wind human caused Global Warming strikes once again.
    Snow in Sarah desert wild fires raging around Papatuanukue. We have James the professor tell us that we can avert the danger of climate change buy eliminateing or minimiseing OUR use of carbon.
    Isn’t it a joke Matthew Hooton calling Tova O’brien courpt He’s the biggest – – – – in the NZ media realm.
    Our education system has been failing the common people for 30 years why become the 00.1% don’t want the common people to get educated and figure out that the 00.1% are cheats and liers.
    The education system has people spending thousands of dollars getting degrees that have no realervince to the actual jobs they get after graduation in my eyes that’s mone down the whare paku.
    We need to have a integrated system we’re at 12 you find out the Mokopunas goals in life and teach them the subject that are related to the jobs they aspire to get like in our Scandinavian cosin and have them options to go into training and straight into a job at the minute it doesn’t look good Ka kite ano.

  21. Eco Maori 21
    15 August 2018 at 1:37 pm

    To the whano of the people who listed there lives in the Italian bridge collapse ECO Maori gives condolences to you all during this tragic tragedy. Ka kite ano.

  22. Eco Maori 22
    15 August 2018 at 3:18 pm

    Here a good story ECO MAORI has read this also tells me that Aotearoa tangata whenua culture is A great culture and Highly honoured all over Papatuanukue
    Kia kaha tangata whenua Ka kite ano
    The link is Below.

    https://e-tangata.co.nz/identity/why-is-it-easier-to-be-maori-overseas/

  23. Eco Maori 23
    15 August 2018 at 6:48 pm

    Good evening Newshub Mike that’s a good story on human caused Global Climate warming many thanks Newshub.
    I can see national getting bitten on the – – – – With the issues they have got.
    There you go the sandflys should be chasing the clergyman the Priest for there abuse of Mokopunas in there care instead of wasting there time trying to indimadate ECO MAORI muppets.
    ECO MAORI Tau tokos Forest and Bird for stopping commercial white bait fishing especially if the fish are at risk of becoming extinct Ka pai Forest and Bird
    Netball NZ is doing the correct thing for the Game and players of Atoearoa Netball Kia kaha Netball Aotearoa.
    Ka kite ano P.S Ingrid looks like its going to be hot on Papatuanukue for the next 4 years.

  24. Eco Maori 24
    15 August 2018 at 7:19 pm

    The Crowd goes Wild good evening James and Mulls did you hear Don Brash gave shonky a big O.0 for his time in Government lol.
    It will be a excellent test this week end for the All Blacks and the Wallabies.
    Ka kite ano

  25. Eco Maori 25
    15 August 2018 at 7:24 pm

    The Crowd goes Wild did you hear Don Brash gave shonky a 00 for this time in Government lol
    The All Blacks and the Wallabies will have a good test this week end.
    Ka kite ano P.S the sandflys tried to stop this post

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