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Open Mike 14/07/2017

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  1. Worth considering?

    In the past week, the options have narrowed for Labour.

    The Greens, through motormouth Metiria Turei, have ruled themselves out of the next Government. Labour’s tax proposals, while progressive, are too easily dismissed as complicated and paternalistic. The polls, while probably underestimating the left as usual, give no comfort.

    The current Labour leadership are repeating the mistakes of David Cunliffe, who went in to his election with policies that were watered down and downright timid. The irony is that his predecessor, David Shearer, who was derided by many on the left, campaigned on a far more red tinted platform and did better than expected.

    So, what should Labour do?

    Tinker with tax? Hold their nerve and hope to muddle through? Keep putting out bland, meaningless slogans like “It’s Time for a Fresh Approach”?


    Labour need to be bold.

    Andrew Little should dump the current campaign direction. He should be brave enough to say we’ve been too timid and put up an easily understood message instead.

    It’s the UBI.

    If Labour go into this campaign saying we’ll gut the benefit system, simplify taxes and give all New Zealanders a weekly minimum income equivalent to the current super payments, we’ll win handsomely.

    Not because voters will instantly understand the UBI concept. Not because voters will suddenly unleash their dormant inner revolutionary. Not because it’s financially sensible.

    Labour should do it because it plays to prejudices, and to back pockets.

    There aren’t many middle class Kiwis who don’t look down on beneficiaries in some way or another. There aren’t many in the middle who wouldn’t fancy $400 a week. There aren’t many who wouldn’t abandon National if Labour gave them a simple reason to switch.

    Sure, that message distorts what a UBI is really about, but so what?

    It’s bold, it’s revolutionary and it’s better than meekly accepting defeat.

    Do it, Andrew.

    Win it with UBI.

    Is it too late for a bold policy shift?


    [link added]

    [put a link next time, consider this a warning – weka]

    • Worth considering?

      Worth considering Anonymous Internet Guy’s proposal for wholesale policy change two months’ out from the election? Er, no. But thanks for the concern trolling, I’m sure everyone here appreciates your efforts on National’s behalf.

      • Pete George 1.2.1

        I left it anonymous so the messenger wouldn’t distract from the message (that tends to happen here) but it is from very much a left wing source.

        I doubt that National cares, they will be happy to see the Andrew/Jacinda/Metiria/James and now Winston – see ‘I want Greens and NZ First in my Govt’ – Andrew Little – helping their cause.

        Most concern about the Labour-Green risk of a train wreck that I’ve seen comes from the left, from here at TS and at The Daily Blog and elsewhere on social media. Despair drives radical change.

        • weka

          See my moderator note above and acknowledge please.

          • Bill

            Funnily enough, two sentences in I’d picked it and then couldn’t help but get into eye roll skim mode (with a healthy smattering of disbelief sprinkled on top) : -)

          • Pete George

            I didn’t source it from there, it was sent to me in an email, not possible to link to that.

            I did post it (last night, well before TDB) but didn’t put my link because it tends to distract from the message here, but if you want it here it is:

            [none of which tells me that you won’t do that again or that you’ve understand what the warning was for, which wastes my time as a moderator. Two week ban. – weka]

    • Just because you look down on those receiving support doesn’t mean other middle class people do. Your ramblings are idiotic.

    • billmurray 1.4

      Pete George,
      Andrew Little needs to dump on the Greens big-time.
      He and his advisors need a kick up the arse for putting up with the nonsense which is the Green party.
      The MoU has been made a joke by the Greens and Labour’s cravenness to it.
      Labour let me tell you the message on the streets “a vote for Labour is a vote for the Greens”, that’s why you can’t get traction.
      Fair dinkum party members have had a gutsful, they don’t like the Greens. Ask them now.
      Get some guts Andrew Little and company or suffer the consequence in September.

      • Muttonbird 1.4.1

        How would you know what the message on the street is? You never go outdoors.

        • billmurray

          South Auckland and Auckland City every day, except Sunday.
          Please enlighten the readers, Why can’t Labour get traction?.

          • Muttonbird

            Middle New Zealand has become selfish and morally corrupt.

          • Grafton Gully

            Labour has traction with one young voter, who said to me they admire Jacinda Ardern (role model), Andrew Little they had slight reservations about but optimistic for “he’s working on it”. Liked the Labour brand (not the word used but I think sums up the sentiments).
            This young person’s main issues were Climate Change (“if you vote Labour your voting for the Greens”), housing and the cost of education.

    • AB 1.5

      If UBI is to be mentioned at all, it will be surfaced as part of a taxation system review during a first term. New taxes will be required to pay for it. Preferably these will be taxes on unearned (non-labour) income such as speculation and rents, plus doing something about tax avoidance/evasion.

      Nor can it be separated from the ‘Future of Work’ strategy. Well-implemented, a UBI should break the power of bad employers by removing employees’ fear of penury, but it should also deliver some flexibility for good employers to take more risks and try things.

      The whole thing has to hang together otherwise you discredit the idea for years by making a mess of it. (This is probably what Pete wants to happen). A UBI is not worth the effort if it doesn’t deliver the downwards redistribution of wealth and power we so badly need

  2. The Chairman 3

    I see Labour and the Māori Party both have new Chinese candidates.

    Does anybody happen to know where they stand on China’s (lack of) human rights?

    Moreover, have they ever publicly spoken out on the matter?

    • The Fairy Godmother 3.1

      Um considering people of Chinese ethnicity have been resident in New Zealand since the 19th century I would say it’s great we have candidates of Chinese ethnicity. What the Chinese government is up to has about as much relevance to our Chinese ethnic candidates as the UK government has to the British origin ones.

      • The Chairman 3.1.1

        It’s not their ethnicity that is being questioned, it’s their principles.

        Ponder this:
        Do you think having someone standing for NZ Parliament who adheres to the doctrine of the Chinese Government isn’t a concern and something voters should be aware of?

        • marty mars

          if it is their principles then why not ask the question of others?

          it’s all a bit smelly TC

          • The Chairman

            “If it is their principles then why not ask the question of others?”

            Some I already know their position on the matter, but I have no problem with us doing so. It’s no different than asking a new Green MP their environmental position and if they have ever publicly spoken out.

            • marty mars

              green isn’t an ethnicity

              you’re pushing this one uphill imo

              • The Chairman

                Their ethnicity isn’t the concern, it’s their principles that is being questioned. Hence, you’re pushing this one uphill.

                • McFlock

                  if their ethnicity isn’t the concern, why bother mentioning it? Shouldn’t you be asking what the opinions of all our MPs are on China’s policies?

                  • The Chairman

                    “If their ethnicity isn’t the concern, why bother mentioning it?”

                    While it’s not a concern, their ethnicity relates (more so than some other MPs) to the possibility they may have Chinese Party ties, the manner of which may be a concern.

                    Isn’t the Chinese Students’ Association funded by the Chinese Government? And aren’t they expected to largely tow the Party line?

                    “Shouldn’t you be asking what the opinions of all our MPs…”

                    I’m doing my bit asking about these two at the moment, who have you asked about?

                    • McFlock

                      I don’t feel the need to ask anyone whether ther are now or have ever been members of the Chinese communist party. Especially when they come from a completely different country (thinking particularly of NZ and Malaysia).

                      “may be a concern”. 🙄 The only one looking for Chinese Reds in the House is you.

                  • The Chairman

                    “The only one looking for Chinese Reds in the House is you.”

                    Really? Well if that’s the case we’ll be an easy walkover if any attempted to try.

                    Let’s hope Labour have done their due diligence on their new candidate.

                    • McFlock

                      oh, fuck off.

                      The nats have illustrated pretty much all the major fuckups that can happen with an MP: incompetence, bigotry, inexperience, poor management skills, hubris, and perhaps something that must never be mentioned, but leads to resignations anyway.

                      Much farther down the list is the likelihood that the mp is an agent for a foreign power. Closest we got to that was Key, and he probably just mixed thrall for hollywood with a market-trader’s flair for corruption.

        • Gabby

          Do you believe this to be the case?

    • John up North 3.2

      So do you know where Billshit and Pullya stand on China’s (lack of) human rights?

      Why do people of Chinese ethnicity have to display their ethics for your consumption when the lack of same in our PM and DPM don’t phase you one bit?

      • Carolyn_nth 3.2.1

        And Judith Collins on China’s human rights?

      • The Chairman 3.2.2

        While where Bill and Paula sit on the matter is also of interest, it isn’t the question currently being asked.

        Nevertheless, I’d say many on the left would believe their ethics overall leave a lot to be desired.

        And while people of Chinese ethnicity don’t have to display their ethics solely for my consumption, these two are seeking our vote, thus voters have a right to know.

        Moreover, we need to keep our eyes open for the more concerning agenda – power and influence.

      • Billshit and Pullya obviously don’t have any ethical character at all. But that’s pretty much normal for National Party candidates.

        Actually, I think all MPS and prospective MPs should tell us their take on ethics, about their morals. Makes it easier to hold them to account when they break them.

    • The Fairy Godmother 3.3

      And they can’t be Chinese nationality because they would have had to reliquish their Chinese nationality when they took up New Zealand citizenship.

      • In Vino 3.3.1

        “.., it isn’t the question being asked.” “I’d say many on the left..”

        Dishonest, Mr Chairman. As far as I can see, only you are asking the question. Be fair and admit it with the honest wording, “…the question I am asking.” Nobody here seems to agree with you.

        And it is utterly pompous of you to presume what many on the left should be asking, and pretend that this happens to be what so far only you are asking.

        Transparently deceptive techniques of a concern troller.

        • The Chairman

          Hi Vino.

          Thanks for exposing us to another of your feeble attempts to play the man and not the ball.

          Are we to expect (going from past experience) further personal condemnation and the threat of violence to follow?

          • In Vino

            Sorry – if you re-read my comment, I did not employ ad hominem. I made perfectly valid criticism of your deceptive debating technique. You have failed to reply to that.
            I have never threatened violence – please give a citation if you can.
            For a valid reply, you must justify the techniques I criticised.
            Ironically, your reply plays the man far more than my criticism. As a chairman, you ought to know more about debating procedure.
            Please raise your level.

        • The Chairman

          Highlighting your attempt to play the man and not the ball isn’t me playing the man. I have no interest in discussing you. Nevertheless, I will highlight it (your attempt to play the man) if required.

          “I have never threatened violence”

          Yet it was only the other day you were going on about wanting to play with my balls with a hefty softball bat.

          “I made perfectly valid criticism of your deceptive debating technique.”

          It was far from valid criticism as there was no deception taking place.

          It was blatantly clear I was asking the initial two questions. And I wasn’t questioning their ethnicity, thus the deception at play is yours. 

          “And it is utterly pompous of you to presume what many on the left should be asking, and pretend that this happens to be what so far only you are asking.”

          I did no such thing.

          Despite your deceptive attempt to paint it as if my assumption (I’d say many on the left would believe their ethics overall leave a lot to be desired) was/is related to my questions is incorrect. It was in relation to a question put to me in regards to Bill and Paula.

          • In Vino

            ‘Play the man’ means to attack character instead of the argument. Your debate technique is part of your argument, not your character. I criticised you for saying ‘the question being asked’ (as if many were asking it) when in fact you were the only one asking it. I told you to be honest and say it that way ( ‘the question I am asking.’) Fair accusation of using a deceptive technique.
            I linked that point to much the same thing, where you presumed to speak for many on the left, in the very same comment. Same attempt by you – one person – to pretend to be speaking for many people on the left when you are actually pushing your own point, regardless of whether you were replying to somebody else. Calling that act pompous is just that – it is not attacking your general character. 2 examples of same deceptive technique.
            So where is the ‘playing the man’?
            Or are you too dim to understand? (Now that is playing the man. Get the difference?)
            As for the softball bat thing, I seem to remember that as a humorous play on words (balls) in a thread where nobody was threatening real violence of any sort. But I guess it now suits you to cynically scream blue murder. I hope you didn’t need trauma counselling…

            • The Chairman

              “‘Play the man’ means to attack character instead of the argument”

              Dishonest, Mr Chairman ring any bells? How about deceptive techniques of a concern troller? All attempted character assassination.

              “I criticised you for saying ‘the question being asked’ (as if many were asking it) when in fact you were the only one asking it.”

              Saying ‘the question being asked doesn’t necessarily imply many were asking it. That’s merely how you perceived it and then went on to state it was me being deceptive.

              Moreover, the fact I was the only one asking it was blatantly obvious. Bringing your perception into question while making your accusation flawed, thus incorrect. Hence, far from a fair accusation at all.

              I didn’t presumed to speak for many on the left, I clearly stated I was assuming what many of them may be thinking in regards to Bill and Paula’s ethics, thus wasn’t speaking for them as you incorrectly claimed. Which makes the rest of your post garbage.

              Oh, and as for the hefty softball bat thing, you may want to reconsider what you deem funny.

              • In Vino

                The explanation of ‘Dishonest’ clearly showed I was attacking your technique as a dishonest method of argument.

                Grammatically, a general passive (being asked) is the equivalent of active (people ask – not all people but at least a good number) and you ought to be literate enough to know that.

                Your implication in both cases was that others as well as you held your point of view.

                In view of your persistent obfuscation I will leave other readers to make their own conclusions.

      • The Chairman 3.4.1

        “Who is the new Chinese Canadian (candidate?) for Labour?”

        Naisi Chen. Former President of the New Zealand Chinese Students’ Association.

        • Carolyn_nth

          Thanks. All the articles I’ve found about her show her to be for reducing inequalities, housing affordability – and human rights in general.

          The last sentence in the above linked article is a bit concerning.

          • The Chairman

            “China will exert every effort to increase housing supply while pursuing affordable, environmentally friendly and safe living standards in accordance with the country’s practical situation,” said President Xi.

            As you can see, expressing concern for housing affordability doesn’t necessarily give rise to the protection (and improvement of) human rights.

        • Johan

          Let’s play the other racist card TC. You sound pathetic better have a cup of tea and a lie down.

          • The Chairman

            You sound pathetic attempting to paint this as racism.

            Two new Chinese candidates have recently been announced and I’m questioning their principles. There is nothing racist in that.

            • Bill

              What you want? “NZ principles? I’ve no idea what that might actually mean. Do you?

              Maybe dropping white phosphorous on civilian neighbourhoods is a Kiwi principle? What about training Indonesian fighter pilots back when? Is that a Kiwi principle?

              People have principles. Some of those principles are diabolical and some laudable. None of them are determined by nationality or ethnicity.

              Did I say it appears you’ve lost the plot?

              • The Chairman

                It’s rather simple, Bill. What I want to know is what I initially asked.

                Where do they stand on China’s (lack of) human rights?

                Moreover, have they ever publicly spoken out on the matter?

                • No you are being racist – ask the other candidates the same question. See you are mixing up two new chinese candidates with two new candidates with chinese ethnicity. FFS they have probably got stronger roots to this country than you and your lot – how the fuck would you know? “umm I looked at their picture”

                  • The Chairman

                    “No you are being racist – ask the other candidates the same question”

                    No. See my reply to you at

                    How the fuck would you know?

                    I don’t know, hence why I’m asking.

                    Moreover, considering the recent revelations coming out of Australia, there seem to be good reason not to be asleep at the wheel. Don’t you agree?

                    • no I don’t.

                      dog whistle racism – not a good look TC – are the comments saying you are a stool stirring stirrer true?

                      What is your ethnicity? When did you immigrate here? Who did you vote for last time?

                    • Carolyn_nth

                      Are you referring to allegations that wealthy Chinese, with connections to China’s ruling communist party, had been giving donations to Aussie political parties, allegedly to try to influence Aussie politics?

                      If so, it’s an issue about donations to political parties by foreigners, and not of people of Chinese descent, or birth, now resident in NZ, standing for a political party.

                      Are you aware of Trump’s family and associates potentially colluding with Russians to influence US elections?

                      Maybe in NZ we should be wary of wealthy male politicians of European descent.

                  • The Chairman

                    “No I don’t.”

                    Really, Marty? Why not? Surely you don’t think we are immune to such power and influence taking place here?

                    It’s not dog whistle racism, Marty. It’s just logical for us to be on our toes.

                    “What is your ethnicity? When did you immigrate here? Who did you vote for last time?”

                    Nice try Marty, however I’m not standing for public office, nor am I the topic of discussion.

                    • on our toes for what?

                      be honest you are talking trojan horse scenarios – deep sleepers and Manchurian candidate shit – hint – BULLSHIT. You have just let your wee racist out – sad.

                  • The Chairman

                    Just to be clear, Marty, are you aware of the recent revelations coming out of Australia that I was alluding too?

                    And by calling bullshit do you genuinely think we are immune to the possibility of it happening here?

                • Carolyn_nth

                  Wetex Kang seems to be from Malaysia (he went to high school in Malaysia), and he seems to have a strong identification with Malay as indigenous people, and their links to Māori whakapapa – hence his affiliation with the Māori Party.

                  In Malaysia, Malay people tend to have secondary status compared with Chinese people.

                  Why not ask about Julie Anne Genter’s position on US imperialism?

                  • The Chairman

                    “Wetex Kang seems to be from Malaysia”

                    Nevertheless, he identifies as being Malay – Chinese.

                    “Why not ask about Julie Anne Genter’s position on US imperialism?”

                    I have no problem with doing so.

                    • McFlock

                      So to recap: you haven’t asked his position on Malaysian policies or human rights, and you haven’t asked her position about US policies or human rights, and you haven’t asked any of the Pakeha MPs about their opinions on UK/European policies and human rights, but you’re asking only for the opinions of ethnic Chinese candidates?


        • Gabby

          I see she’s a lawyer -ish.
          Thank God we’re adressing the shortage of lawyers in politics.

    • greywarshark 3.5

      Have you spoken out on China’s human rights defict TC? That is something that many people haven’t done I think. If anyone would like to take a stand on some human rights offences, then please join Amnesty International. We who try to better things should belong to this group.

      In the meantime be careful about gong on about ethnicity. Chris Trotter has done a piece on Lionel Terry from 1905, and his superior delusions and fears. West Coast bovver boys killed a Korean backpacker not many years ago because they could.

      In England an unbalanced guy with delusions went off the deep end and a nice woman and MP suffered death for it. Her fault was being for the EU which meant too many immigrants in most British people’s opinions, but killing one of the better people of the world because the attacker is one of the sour, sad people not getting a good deal doesn’t add up.

      On 16 June 2016, Jo Cox, the British Labour Party Member of Parliament for Batley and Spen, died after being shot and stabbed multiple times in Birstall, West Yorkshire, England, shortly before she was due to hold a constituency surgery. A Scottish-born 52-year-old local man named Thomas Alexander Mair was arrested in connection with Cox’s death. On 23 November 2016, Mair was found guilty of murder and other offences connected to the killing. He was sentenced to life imprisonment with a whole life order.[2][3]

      Cox was singled out for attack as a “passionate defender” of the European Union and immigration. Mair viewed the Labour MP as “one of ‘the collaborators’ [and] a traitor” to white people.[1]

      The incident was the first killing of a sitting British MP since the death of Conservative MP Ian Gow, who was murdered in a Provisional Irish Republican Army terrorist attack in 1990, and the first death of a politician during an attack since Andrew Pennington, a county councillor, was killed in 2000 while defending Liberal Democrat MP Nigel Jones.

      What thoughts you give out today may walk and talk tomorrow!

  3. Muttonbird 4

    Regarding Labour’s steadfast positioning slight left of centre (with a healthy dose of compassion for struggling families), there’s been a surge in concern trolling from the RWNJs in the past week or so.

    Now articles and blogs are saying Labour isn’t left enough which suggests the National Party and associated sycophants don’t like it when Labour begin moving into their territory.

    • National love it when Labour move into their territory as it allows them to go for even more radical right-wing policies, to claim that the right-wing is now the centre.

  4. Red 5

    I see Bryan Edwards pushing the green nuclear option today forcing another election if locked out of power by nzf or shafted by labour, not buying shaws denials, what a mess, Winnie laughing all the way The left again portrayed as not been able to organise themselves, let alone be in government, Similarily labour pilloried from all sides re p… weak campaign and policy’s National could just stay home and win this election

    • Muttonbird 5.1

      Not a bad strategy for National to keep their mouth shut. Whenever they’ve opened it recently, disaster follows.

    • I see you still spouting BS that’s already been disproven.

      • Red 5.2.1

        Moan to Edwards not me, like wise most of the criticisms of labour coming from the left, trotter, pagani , edwards, TDB, Quin,

        • Draco T Bastard

          No, I’ll blame you as you’re the one who stated the BS.

        • David Mac

          I think the Greens covered all this speculation with the simple claim: We will need to flex with some of our policies, our values are not negotiable.

          To me, that means that they may have to initially wave ‘Hello’ to visiting nuclear US vessels. This does not stop them from banging the caucus table and saying “We still don’t want them here and here’s why….”

          I think that’s cool, arguing the toss, thrashing out a best way forward for all of us rather than steamrolling through rules that suit a particular agenda.

    • OncewasTim 5.3

      Bryce Edwards? Who or what is that?
      I heard a rumour that it was some mover and shaker from the ‘incroud’ bubble….even that it might come from the whurl of academia and feature on various radio frequency media outlets as a sage and commentator/wanker
      Can you provide me witg more????
      I’m loathe to rely on a Mora panel

      • OncewasTim 5.3.1

        I keep hearing these ….um…. names or labels.
        There’s this Arm Strong, and a Joe See Pah Gunny, and a Fill something they keep saying have entered the world from the west (Staged LEFT).
        There’s a Kruss Trtta and a shitload of others that seem to live someplace adjacent to the Hear Zezzis a Parlya Mint in a synthetuk Michael Bouble.
        Oi jiss dun unna Stan

  5. Jenny Kirk 6

    Andrew Little has clarified just where he stands on this little spat between the Greens and NZ First. I think he’s capable of pulling both these Parties together for the common good of us all. He’s done it before (pulling difficult/problematic people together), and he can do it again. See the link below.

    “We can form a good government and I want the Green Party to be part of that and the New Zealand First party to be part of that,” he told Newshub.
    “We have a lot of common ground with the Green Party, we have a lot of common ground with New Zealand First. I think our three parties offer New Zealand the best chance of fixing the problems we know New Zealanders want us to fix.”
    “I’m totally confident that I am capable of putting together if the numbers fall our way a government that will have a good solid programme of change involving up to three parties,” he said.


    • james 6.1

      ““We can form a good government and I NEED the Green Party to be part of that and NEED the New Zealand First party to be part of that,” he told Newshub.”

      fixed it for him

    • Red 6.2

      “We can probably form a government of some form at least for 6 months before imploding in acrimony if every one would just STFU and not say what they really feel and or think” is probably more honest

  6. Johnr 7

    Just listened to Kim Hull on morning report, interviewing an Act spokesperson on restricting poor people having children.
    Act says “We’re not giving away lollies this election”.
    Kim Hull replies “Just condoms it seems”
    She’s a gem.

  7. Morrissey 8

    MEMO MAX BOOT: When Tucker Carlson looks
    much smarter than you, it’s time to give up.


  8. joe90 9

    Bully in Chief.

    I don't know what's worse: tRUmp telling France's FL she was fit or yanking her arm when she tried to pull away *hangs head in shame* pic.twitter.com/ShpLsSD6xw— Royce Christyn (@ChristynRoyce) July 13, 2017


  9. james 10


    High Earners dont want tax-cuts.

    Thats an interesting call.

    Most High Earners I know think that they pay too much tax (Note vast majority simple PAYE people only – not properties etc – but all in 150k+ pa brackets),

    Which I assume is the kind of people Ardern is talking about.

    • Sabine 10.1

      nah she is talking about the Top dudes and dudettes.

    • halfcrown 10.2

      Well this is what the OECD says about tax cuts for the higher earners in NZ as our inequality is now on par with Mexico the worse in the OECD

      “The thinktank suggests higher top rates of income tax, scrapping tax breaks and reassessing how assets are taxed as methods of combatting inequality.”

      Full article at

      Also, this is worth a read.

      When I read that article I thought to myself funny that, as I remember the then New World order saying TINA, that they had to take the measures they did otherwise in 30/40 years time New Zealand would end up exactly as the article describes it today.
      Biggest fucking con ever.

    • McFlock 10.3

      Of course there are some who are happy to forestall their own tax cuts because they see what’s happening to the country. Just as there are some who are terminally avaricious.

      I hope you have to meet the latter only for work. I think it says more about the sort of people you and Ardern meet with rather than any broad-brush claim it makes about high earners in general.

    • adam 10.4

      “Most High Earners I know think that they pay too much tax ” and that is the problem.

    • Most High Earners I know think that they pay too much tax…

      Oh, I don’t doubt that for a second. Right-wingers generally fail to connect their financial success with the society that facilitated it for them, and accordingly reject the idea of contributing a share of that financial success to running that society. High-income earners who aren’t right-wingers tend not to suffer from this deficiency, so you and Ardern are probably both right.

  10. Ed 11

    A great message from Angela Rayner.

    ‘Over 80,000 people have watched Angela Rayner’s brilliant message to the Prime Minister on abusive trolls. And it’s going down a storm for multiple reasons.

    Firstly, because Rayner is incredibly honest about her own experiences of bullying; and because her words seem to have given heart to those who have experienced the same.

    But also, the Shadow Education Secretary discusses the role politicians themselves have in restricting abuse. And her advice for politicians to lead by example has struck a chord.’


  11. Redlion Seratus 12

    Thanks for the link Halfcrown .. erosion of workers rights & casualisation & piece rates. Yesterday I was talking with a friend about his situation, he’d come unstuck prunning grape vines.He was the fastest in his gang & getting just on minimum wage… fixing of rates between the
    Contractor managers & Vineyard Manager had resulted in most on the job getting below minimum

  12. Sumsuch 14

    The default start point at The Standard seems to be the Labour Party. Hence, awry follows. People-ism starts to the definite left of Douglas’s party. Voting for his party makes me laugh. But not you lot. Why your arrows never near the mark. I leave you to your wateryness,

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  • Health Minister Andrew Little responding to the New Zealand Nurses Organisation's rejection of ...
    I was advised last night that the result of the ballot of Tōpūtanga Tapuhi Kaitiaki o Aotearoa New Zealand Nurses Organisation members have rejected the latest proposal to settle their collective agreement. Let me be clear: the proposal was one they put to the Government. The Nurses Organisation rejected their ...
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  • Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation introduced to Parliament
    Legislation has been introduced to Parliament to protect against practices intended to change or suppress someone’s sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression. Introducing the Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation Bill, Minister of Justice, Kris Faafoi, said the measures proposed were aimed at ending conversion practices which don’t work, are widely ...
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  • New school site for booming West Auckland
    The Government will build on a new school site in West Auckland to cope with rapid population growth in the area, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. The Ministry is working with existing local schools to determine how the 1.5-hectare site at 279 Hobsonville Point Road will be used to support ...
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  • Trans-Tasman travel window to close at midnight tomorrow
    A further 500 MIQ rooms released for managed returnees from NSW Further Government actions announced today are balanced to provide more certainty for Kiwis wanting to return from Australia, while continuing to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, acting Minister for COVID-19 Response Ayesha Verrall says. The actions were foreshadowed last ...
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  • Govt investing millions in Hawke's Bay and Tairāwhiti schools
    Napier Boys’ and Girls’ High Schools are among those set to benefit from a $16.5 million investment in the Hawke's Bay and Tairāwhiti region, Economic and Regional Development Minister Stuart Nash announced today. The Government has set aside money in Budget 2021 to accelerate five projects in Napier, Hastings, Havelock North ...
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  • Game changing Jobs for Nature investment for Northland
    Conservation Minister Kiri Allan has announced Jobs for Nature funding for a portfolio of projects that will create ‘game changing’ gains for nature and communities across Northland/Te Tai Tokerau as part of the Government’s acceleration of the economic recovery from COVID. “This portfolio of 12 projects will see over $20 ...
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  • Third COVID-19 vaccine receives provisional approval
    New Zealand’s regulatory authority Medsafe has granted provisional approval of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine for individuals 18 years of age and older, Acting Minister for COVID-19 Response Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. New Zealand secured 7.6 million doses (enough for 3.8 million people) of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine through an ...
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  • Bowel-cancer screening programme is saving lives
    More than 1000 New Zealanders have had bowel cancer – New Zealand’s second-most-common cause of death from cancer - detected under the Government’s National Bowel Screening Programme, Health Minister Andrew Little said today. More than 1200 New Zealanders died from bowel cancer in 2017. The screening programme aims to save ...
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  • Govt welcomes draft report on the retail grocery sector
    The Commerce Commission’s draft report into the retail grocery sector is being welcomed by Government as a major milestone. “I asked the Commerce Commission to look at whether this sector is as competitive as it could be and today it has released its draft report for consultation,” Commerce and Consumer ...
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  • Christchurch’s Youth Hub ‘set to go’ thanks to further Government funding
    Construction of New Zealand’s first, purpose-built centre for youth well-being is ready to get underway thanks to an extra $2.5 million of COVID-19 response funding, Housing Minister and Associate Minister of Finance, Megan Woods announced today.  “The Christchurch Youth Hub is about bringing together all the things young people need ...
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  • Next step to protect Milford Sound Piopiotahi
    Expert group lays out plan to better protect iconic UNESCO World Heritage site Milford Sound Piopiotahi and its surrounds Funding confirmed for dedicated unit and Establishment Board to assess the recommendations and provide oversight of the process from here Milford Opportunities Project a test case for transformational change in tourism ...
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  • Funding for projects to reduce waste from construction and demolition
    The Government has announced funding for projects in Auckland and the lower North Island to help reduce construction and demolition waste. “Construction is the main source of waste sent to landfill, and much of this could be reduced, reused and recovered,” Environment Minister David Parker said. “The Government is funding ...
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  • Speech at the launch of the National Hepatitis C Action Plan
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  • Plan to eliminate hepatitis C as a major health threat by 2030
    A plan to eliminate hepatitis C in New Zealand, reducing liver cancer and the need for liver transplants, has been released today by Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall. “Around 45,000 New Zealanders have hepatitis C, but only around half know they have it,” said Ayesha Verrall. “Symptoms often ...
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  • School upgrades and new classrooms for West Coast, Tasman and Canterbury
    A funding injection from Budget 2021 to complete four shovel ready projects and new classrooms at six schools and kura will provide a real boost to local communities, Minister Dr Megan Woods announced today. “This Government has committed to providing quality fit for purpose learning environments and 100,000 new student ...
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  • Warmer Kiwi Homes smashes annual target
    The Government's highly successful insulation and heating programme, Warmer Kiwi Homes, is celebrating a key milestone with the completion of more than 38,000 insulation and efficient heater installs in the year to the end of June, smashing its target of 25,000 installs for the year. “The Warmer Kiwi Homes scheme ...
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  • Exemption granted for Wallabies to enter NZ
    Bledisloe Cup rugby will be played in New Zealand after the Australian rugby team received an economic exemption to enter New Zealand. Travel between Australia and New Zealand was suspended on Friday for at least eight weeks following the worsening of the COVID outbreak across the Tasman. New Zealanders have ...
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  • Minister of Foreign Affairs makes three diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced three New Zealand Head of Mission appointments. They are: Mike Walsh as Ambassador to Iran Michael Upton as Ambassador to Ethiopia and the African Union Kevin Burnett as Ambassador to Indonesia Iran “Aotearoa New Zealand has a long-standing and constructive relationship with Iran, despite a ...
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  • Enhanced Task Force Green Approved for West Coast and Marlborough
    The Government has activated Enhanced Task Force Green (ETFG) in response to the West Coast and Marlborough floods, Social Development and Employment Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced today. “To assist with the clean-up, up to $500,000 will be made available to support the recovery in Buller and Marlborough which has experienced ...
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  • Govt support for upgrade of Eden Park players facilities
    Minister for Sport and Recreation Hon Grant Robertson has announced funding to upgrade the players facilities at Eden Park ahead of upcoming Women’s World Cup events. Eden Park is a confirmed venue for the Rugby World Cup 2021, the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup 2022, and a proposed venue for matches of ...
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  • More jobs and quicker public transport motoring towards West Auckland
    Work to improve public transport for West Aucklanders and support the region’s economic recovery by creating hundreds of jobs has officially kicked off, Transport Minister Michael Wood announced today. Michael Wood and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff this morning marked the start of construction on the Northwestern Bus Improvements project. It ...
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  • Government backs critical health research
    Research into some of New Zealanders’ biggest health concerns including cancer, diabetes, and heart disease is getting crucial support in the latest round of health research funding, Health Minister Andrew Little announced today. The funding, awarded through the Health Research Council of New Zealand, covers 31 General Project grants ($36.64 ...
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  • New Bay of Islands hospital facilities to bring services closer to home
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Andrew Little have joined a ceremony to bless the site and workers for Phase Two of the redevelopment of the Bay of Islands Hospital in Kawakawa today. The new building will house outpatients and primary care facilities, as well as expanded renal care ...
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  • Raukokore re-imagined with ‘smart’ relocatable rent to own housing
    Iwi, Crown Partnership Relocatable, fully insulated housing, connected to a new solar plant Provides a pathway to home ownership New housing in the remote eastern Bay of Plenty community of Raukokore shows how iwi and Crown agencies can work together effectively to provide warm, dry, energy efficient homes in a ...
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  • Cabinet accepts Turkish authorities’ request for the managed return of three NZ citizens
    Cabinet has agreed to the managed return of a New Zealand citizen and her two young children from Turkey, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. The three have been in immigration detention in Turkey since crossing the border from Syria earlier this year. Turkey has requested that New Zealand repatriate ...
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  • Govt delivers more classrooms so children can focus on learning
    Extra Government investment in classrooms and school building projects will enable students and teachers to focus on education rather than overcrowding as school rolls grow across the country, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis say. The pair visited Ruakākā School in Whangārei today to announce $100 ...
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  • New station a platform for AirportLink to take off
    Every Aucklander with access to the rail network will now have a quick and convenient trip to the airport, Transport Minister Michael Wood and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff said during the official opening of the new Puhinui Interchange today. The new interchange links the rail platform with a new bus ...
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  • 10 days sick leave for employees delivered
    Legislation doubling employees’ minimum sick leave entitlement to 10 days comes into effect today, bringing benefits to both businesses and employees, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Michael Wood announced today. “Our Government is delivering on a key manifesto commitment to help Kiwis and workplaces stay healthy,” Michael Wood said. “COVID-19 ...
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  • Prime Minister congratulates Fiame Naomi Mata’afa on Election Win
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern tonight congratulated Prime Minister-elect Fiame Naomi Mata’afa on her victory in the Samoa’s general election. “New Zealand has a special relationship with Samoa, anchored in the Treaty of Friendship. We look forward to working with Samoa’s new government in the spirit of partnership that characterises this ...
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  • Quarantine Free Travel with Australia suspended
    Quarantine Free Travel from all Australian states and territories to New Zealand is being suspended as the Covid situation there worsens, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. From 11.59pm today Australians will no longer be able to enter New Zealand quarantine-free. This will be ...
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  • Growing conservation efforts in Gisborne
    A big injection of Jobs for Nature funding will create much-needed jobs and financial security for families in TeTairāwhiti, and has exciting prospects for conservation in the region, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. “The projects target local communities most affected by the economic consequences of COVID 19 and are designed ...
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  • Flood recovery given further assistance
    The Government is contributing a further $1 million to help the flood battered Buller community, Acting Emergency Management Minister Kris Faafoi announced today. “Buller is a small community which has found itself suddenly facing significant and ongoing welfare costs. While many emergency welfare costs are reimbursed by Government, this money ...
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  • Funding for five projects to reduce food waste
    The Government is funding five projects to help address the growing problem of food waste, Environment Minister David Parker announced today. “New Zealand households throw away nearly 300,000 tonnes of food every year, half of which could still be eaten. By supporting these initiatives, we’re taking steps to reduce this ...
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  • Temporary Accommodation Service activated for West Coast flooding event
    The Temporary Accommodation Service (TAS) has been activated today - meaning residents on the West Coast of the South Island and in the Marlborough region hit by flooding over the weekend can now access help finding temporary accommodation, announced Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing) Poto Williams in Westport today. ...
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  • Pause to Quarantine Free Travel from South Australia to New Zealand
    Quarantine Free Travel from South Australia to New Zealand will be paused from 11.59am (NZT) tonight, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins has announced. However, people currently in the state who ordinarily live in New Zealand will be able to return on “managed return” flights starting with the next available flight, ...
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  • New Zealand condemns malicious cyber activity by Chinese state-sponsored actors
    New Zealand has established links between Chinese state-sponsored actors known as Advanced Persistent Threat 40 (APT40) and malicious cyber activity in New Zealand. “The GCSB has worked through a robust technical attribution process in relation to this activity. New Zealand is today joining other countries in strongly condemning this malicious ...
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  • Remarks to Diplomatic Corps
    It is a pleasure to be with you all this evening. Some of you may have been surprised when you received an invitation from the Minister of Disarmament and Arms Control, and I would forgive you if you were. New Zealand is unique in having established a Ministerial portfolio ...
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