Open mike 16/09/2019

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1. Treetop 1

   16 September 2019 at 8:16 am

   56 police staff who cannot be their best selves when it comes to serving the public because of how managers handle a personal grievance complaint.

   No one goes to work to be bullied or harassed and then be dismissed or blamed for the sick behaviour of work staff.

   Senior managers appear to be confused about the process.
   • Rapunzel 1.1

     16 September 2019 at 8:24 am

     On top or alongside that perhaps everyone at work or out engaging today could make sure that the trivialising of abuse that is behind the politicking in the past week is challenged. The whole basic issue of anyone who is demeaned in anyway at the hands of others has taken second place to a lot of self-interest, and self-interest is why most of the abuse and intimidation happens in the first place. Please try not to be afraid to step up and speak out even if it is just to call out people minimalising abusive behaviour or treating it as a "joke".
   • Anne 1.2

     16 September 2019 at 9:36 am

     I know you have had more than your fair share of police bullying and harassment in the past Treetop. It doesn't matter how long ago it may have happened the effects never fully leave you.

     https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398841/bullying-in-the-police-victims-say-speak-up-complaints-system-lets-them-down

     I expect this past week as brought back unpleasant memories for a lot of people – most of whom will be women.

     It has been rife within the Public Service for years and it's always the same:
     management just deny, deny, deny as if all these hordes of victims are liars.
     • greywarshark 1.2.1

       16 September 2019 at 10:57 am

       Edit
       Police management of harassment and denigrating behaviour from managers – inadequate and not well thought through. But it reflects two things – one, the whole attitude to ordinary people and citizens from the powerful and their fellow travellers in society, and, two, the way that the police live in a world of their own 'untouched by human hands' because they are to be free of political interference, like Treasury.

       It isn't working policy-wonks! The police coming forward to Radionz anonymously say that the managers end up judging their own behaviour, the complainant can’t get improvement and things might get worse after airing problems. Further up management don’t want to know, human resources don’t know how to deal with people, only CVs and assessments like passing a wof for the job. There needs to be respect for what is involved in being a good human. I bet a lot of those with power to change things have not started on the beat and worked up. They are either dainty things from uni or power and position hungry types from generic management.

       The citizens in a democracy, should be having a say in what police and army do and are run. We citizens are supposed to have a voice and should be able to be involved in guiding performance. And it is a black mark against representative democracy that has turned out to be a method where those who manage to get wealthy and comfortable treat government as a personal service agency. The poor do not have agency in this type of agency – we need participatory democracy where people get out of their comfy chairs, and the park benches, go and discuss with politicians what is going wrong, and what can be done, and what difficulties politicians and leaders face in advancing better systems, and the unintended consequences there will be and the faults that can arise. We have all been too lazy to be bothered to take care of our nation's political system and ensure that it is fair and fit for purpose. I don't know if it's too late to make the changes needed at this late stage in our slide down, but I am thinking, trying, and supporting groups working for good.

       And police, men and women, need to be within the community fold, helping us and we helping them to be better, but also working with them so they are happier, safer and we all will become good at preventing the vulnerable poor from being crime-bound. The wealthy and complacent who commit crime are a different problem.
       • Treetop 1.2.1.1

         16 September 2019 at 11:19 am

         What sort of budget is required for the complainants of intimidation and all forms of harassment within the police?

         People who know what they are suppose to do and a proper budget is required in any work place.
     • Treetop 1.2.2

       16 September 2019 at 11:05 am

       Most of the inept ones I had the misfortune to encounter are now gone. It is the ones who still do not get it, that need to be weeded out and held to account.

       My comment was about the affect it is having within the police service on staff.

       Who do you think would be effective to address the damage which is occurring and what is required to prevent it occurring within the police service?
       • greywarshark 1.2.2.1

         16 September 2019 at 11:35 am

         Someone who wants to have a good system suitable for a properly functioning government service that respects the citizens and their own people, and wants to bring out the best in both. So would that be the State Services Commission? I have no idea. Is there anyone out there who has authority, principles and a vision for better?

         Police need looking after with consideration, I don't think they are being respected themselves, and no doubt losing many of good character who get worn down with the task and the treatment. It wouldn't be good that only the gnarly ones are left, who are hard and twisted enough to last in the system and then grasp their way to the top jobs and perpetuate the problem.

         And while we are at it we need a better overview system too – the police complaints authority should not be complacent and submissive to however police choose to interpret their instructions and meet their targets.
         • Treetop 1.2.2.1.1

           16 September 2019 at 12:02 pm

           I'd like to hear from Greg O Connor how many have been in contact with him?

           Same as the current police president.

           Maybe a strong union delegate with the right skills is the answer.
           • greywarshark 1.2.2.1.1.1

             16 September 2019 at 12:34 pm

             Strong union is necessary. yes, but more than that as this isn't a simple matter of pay and conditions for a worker. These people are at the heart of our nation, and if they are not treated well, and don't treat us well and fairly, then we end up having little or no heart; essentially they reflect back to us the sort of society we are. Dishevelled figures at present I feel.

             I will put links to what comments re police that i heard this morning. They were people who spoke about what they knew.

             7.10 am. https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713400/police-staff-say-complaints-system-fuels-bullying More Police officers and non sworn staff have come forward saying their Speak Up complaints system isn't working and its fueling widespread bullying in the organisation.Last week, RNZ reported the concerns of 21 police officers and non-sworn staff members who said bullying was rife within the police.Since then more have come forward, including current and former HR employees who say the department is failing to properly deal with issue of bullying.

             8.10am https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713413/police-confused-about-how-to-deal-with-bullying-complaints Senior managers have been confused by the police's Speak Up complaints system, which it says could be leading to bad experiences for complainants.RNZ has talked to more than 50 current or former staff who have experienced bullying in the police. The police's deputy chief executive in charge or people and capability, Kaye Ryan, told our reporter Ben Strang the Speak Up process is being reviewed.
             • Treetop …

               16 September 2019 at 1:37 pm

               A two way street, public need to have the confidence in the police to do their job. Police need to have confidence in the work place so they are not distracted from doing their job.
     • OnceWasTim 1.2.3

       16 September 2019 at 1:45 pm

       "It has been rife within the Public Service for years and it's always the same"

       It has that @ Anne!!!!.

       However, I'd suggest that since the age of managerialism, the CEO as el supremo running little feifdoms based on business buzz and ideology, and everything running along those lines, the "deny deny deny" has become normalised and industrialised.

       The age of the Master and Mistress of the Universe where protection of egos becomes the norm; where even when the new age of measurements (such as the KPI) actually mean fuck all, and even when they're not met – there is no consequence, other than perhaps a sideways shuffle.

       We could start picking various Munsteries and Departments as examples of where things have turned to total shite, but I suspect there are word limits and "TLDR"'s to think of.

       But just as an example, KPI's not met: abnormally HUGE staff turnover; admissions that the "restructure didn't go as well as intended"; racists and homophobes that have to be "managed" out of the place; and very much more, never affect the God – who often has not only created the organisational kulcha, but who will use any and all means to protect it.

       I could of course be talking about any number of Ministries/Departments/SOE's/COE's/Qango's before we even start on local gummint.

       In some ways, when I reference the black humour department in my mind, and recall some of the specific encounters I've witnessed or been a part of, I find a lot of this quite amusing – funny as a fart in a lift in fact. A lot of it is the ultimate in muppetry – especially when many of them seem to see the solution lays in carrying on doing the same old shit (equipped with a new set of buzzwords and management theory), and expecting a different outcome. (Ain't gunna happin goan forwid – not even if we start recycling some of the buzz from the early years of the new-found neoliberal religion – such as……maybe 'kaizen' – that's due for a comeback surely!).
2. ScottGN 2

   16 September 2019 at 9:36 am

   With the Federal election in Canada underway the polls are coming thick and fast (and compared to us they do lots and lots of polling).
   The two contenders for government are now in a dead heat in CBC’s Poll of Polls. The Liberal Party however has an advantage over the Conservative Party insofar as it’s garnering greater support in Ontario and Quebec, the two most populous (and therefore most vote rich) provinces.
   In Ontario they are benefiting from growing voter distaste for the provincial Conservative administration under Premier Doug Ford and in Quebec (as in the rest of the country) the third main party the New Democrats are seeing their centre left support collapsing mostly to the Liberals but also somewhat to the Greens.
   Thanks to Trudeau’s broken promise on electoral reform Canada still has FPTP so which ever party can win either Ontario or Quebec is well on the way to claiming an election win. If a party can win both then victory is all but certain.

   https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/
   • Dennis Frank 2.1

     16 September 2019 at 10:50 am

     Interesting. Trudeaumania evaporated: his approval rating is half that of three years ago. Good to see the Greens have climbed back to the 10% they were getting a decade back – wonder why they sank into that trough for so long.

     https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/leadermeter/index.html

     https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/historical-federal-polling-data-1.4171977
     • ScottGN 2.1.1

       16 September 2019 at 1:13 pm

       Prior to 2015 the main motivating force for centre left voters in Canada was getting rid of Stephen Harper and the Conservative government in Ottawa. Accordingly Green voters lent their vote to whichever of the two main opposition parties at the time looked most likely to achieve that.
       Greens have only ever had one seat in the House of Commons, though recently they added another in a federal by election in BC. If they get the 4 seats in the upcoming election that this CBC poll is suggesting they will have achieved a real breakthrough
     • Dukeofurl 2.1.2

       16 September 2019 at 3:44 pm

       Greens never got "10% of the Canadian vote a decade back" it was more 4-7%

       The New Democrats get well over 2 mill and they are to the left of the centre left Liberals

       https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Canadian_federal_general_elections.svg/800px-Canadian_federal_general_elections.svg.png

       On thse sort of graphs of of party votes – bright green is Social Credit and they peaked in the late 50s/
3. greywarshark 3

   16 September 2019 at 10:41 am

   Good news about reefs and clever and committed people doing work for them and the planet and us.

   https://billingsgazette.com/ap/international/rescue-of-coral-reefs-shows-nature-can-heal/article_af0b1e8e-14c1-56af-8d52-30cab5479376.html
   • Dennis Frank 3.1

     16 September 2019 at 10:58 am

     Thanks for that. An excellent example of how to integrate environmentalism with resilience design of a local economy!
     • greywarshark 3.1.1

       16 September 2019 at 11:37 am

       OOh thanks DF. I thought so too, and put a link-heavy comment in Sunday's How to Get There for those who like to chew on the hard caramels in the box!
4. vto 4

   16 September 2019 at 11:03 am

   I wonder if the new school history curriculum will include other NZ wars alongside the land wars… about 2,500 people were killed in the land wars, about 20,000 killed in the musket wars just a generation prior, and around 1800 were wiped out over a decade or so during the nazi mutunga genocide of moriori. And these were all in the 1800's only…

   I suspect not
   • greywarshark 4.1

     16 September 2019 at 11:48 am

     If the broad history can be taught, at least it gets the ideas in, they become aware of our history being more than a Disney story.

     Also they would be given links telling the background stories, and books in the library? or available at the public library, or there should be an educational mobile library for those establishments that have decided that they can't afford books. Each student should be given a choice of one to summarise in say three paragraphs, also to be accompanied by one story that caught their interest, and then these be read out to the class.

     Then they would all learn different stories and perspective compounding with pupil numbers. And this without the teacher having to personally present any 'sensitive' material. Just exposing the pupils to the knowledge, and bringing them all to different parts of it would be 100% more awareness than they would have otherwise.
5. greywarshark 5

   16 September 2019 at 11:53 am

   5G information meetings are rolling out. It is indeed something for future thinking citizens to take note of and think about. I hope it does not come to a Tianneman Square situation.
   • The Al1en 5.1

     16 September 2019 at 12:12 pm

     If you mean will people get run over by tanks for attending 5g meetings, I'd doubt it to 99.99%

     If you mean something else, you're going to have to write the post again, but much more comprehensible this time as that's just too wtf to attempt to interpret.
     • greywarshark 5.1.1

       16 September 2019 at 12:39 pm

       It's a stray thought that I put out there to pull you in; like an angler fish. Gotcha!
       • The Al1en 5.1.1.1

         16 September 2019 at 1:47 pm

         Its a meaningless, unintelligent rambling for sure, which was sort of my point, and if you can't explain it anymore than 'gotcha' I'm happy for you to let it die without it drawing further attention.
     • cleangreen 5.1.2

       16 September 2019 at 12:41 pm

       Since the matter of ‘climate change’ is featuring high in today’s/weekly long climate change informational day all over the NZ media here is our contribution.

       Enjoy but leave insults out please.

       http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1909/S00208/ceac-support-james-renwick.htm

       SCOOP POLITICS

       CEAC support James Renwick
       Monday, 16 September 2019, 9:20 am
       Press Release: Citizens Environmental Advocacy Centre
       James Renwick claim that NZ is failing on climate change is valid, and since James has been receiving widespread media coverage that we outline most of it again here now as we gear up for the ‘Global climate change conference’ beginning next week.
       …..

       Just seeing the statistics Professor Renwick released today (quote) “Carbon dioxide emissions from transport have nearly doubled since 1990” coupled with more use of rail is a no-brainer for all of us to engage in using more rail and less road freight.

       [lprent: I am mostly concerned about the length of unquoted copyrighted material you dumped here.

       I did a coarse trim it down for you. If you think the haircut is an insult, then

       1. You should have cut it yourself to get rid of the dishevelled Boris look. Don’t be lazy – frame the reasons for looking at the link.
       2. Quote the pasted material because it is hard to distinguish between what you dribble and what the press release said.
       3. Consider whose server you dropped liable material on – and consider me insulted.
       4. I suggest strongly that you don’t do that again.

       ]
6. greywarshark 6

   16 September 2019 at 12:40 pm

   Controls on building firms hooray! So that their eyes aren't bigger than their stomachs, the plate-clearing greedies. Goodbye Mr Cresote – I hope (Monty Python).

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713405/new-self-imposed-minimums-for-builders-could-limit-collapses

   But Kiwibuild? A little better now thanks, not coughing so much. https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018713441/bill-mckay-kiwibuild-reset-and-what-s-next

   Bill McKay says the Kiwibuild reset is nothing to get excited about, describing it as more of an apology than a vision of what's next. Bill McKay is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Architecture and Planning at the University of Auckland.
7. greywarshark 7

   16 September 2019 at 12:46 pm

   Oh dear will the brave and comfortably off young things of today be able to pursue their every whim in future? Will the cost-benefit to the planet have to vaguely register? Will saving the planet and a kindly, warm and inclusive society be regarded as a challenge worthy of their youthful insouciance? Can they develop an interest in helping people, their own community, and doing a little local rock climbing or whatever for when they want to do something that makes their feet tingle? Questions with an answer I think I already know.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713426/four-young-cantabrians-to-paraglide-off-mt-kilimanjaro-summit

   After a chance meeting in a DOC hut, four young Cantabrians are flying to Tanzania today to climb Mt Kilimanjaro and paraglide off the summit. It's one of the world's most difficult paragliding missions, starting with an eight day hike to what's called the 'roof of Africa'. And it's the first time New Zealanders have attempted the flight. RNZ reporter Katie Todd went to one of their final training sessions.
8. greywarshark 8

   16 September 2019 at 1:09 pm

   Spoiler – you are not going to like this. So it would be better not to read it, and if you do, don't write and vent your anger on me at length, or short.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713420/euthanasia-critic-says-the-practice-puts-strain-on-doctors

   A Dutch critic of euthanasia laws says the practice is putting increasing pressure on doctors and it's changing the way we perceive dying and suffering.From 2005 to 2014 Dr Theo Boer was an ethicist on a regional Euthanasia Review Committee in the Netherlands, examining 4,000 euthanasia cases, and was initially supportive of the legislation. 3m.

   It is interesting how people who say they want to protect the rights of others and good behaviour between and to people as I think ethics does, can fall into authoritarian limitation of people's personal right to life and death choices. They go beyond protecting people by not wanting euthanasia to telling them what to think, and ordering them to stay alive when they want to die, and stopping them making a dignified, even serene and happy demise. No you must live as long as we order you to, it lets down the side by wanting to leave early before you wear out. As you came into the world randomly, without request or rights about it, so you must wait to leave randomly.

   We cannot conceive ourselves say the men but we have a stake in your body, and the women say you must stick to the rules as women always do, and together they combine to upbraid you; for 'Not enjoying your nice life that we have made for you – eat it all up – and don't leave the table until you do'. And then if you still insist, they would maliciously like to punish you by allowing you to die in the saddest, painful and lingering way so as not to encourage the others to have ideas beyond those who hold the power, and the rigid conditions sacrosanct.
   • Rosemary McDonald 8.1

     16 September 2019 at 3:47 pm

     OTOH, there was this interesting Dutch fella on the wireless the other day who used to be all for the 'right to die in your own terms' team but after a while he has had to think again.

     Palliative care has advanced so greatly in the past decade that the 'die writhing in agony' scenario no longer universally applies. Dutch fella has seen a shift from the understandable desire to avoid aforesaid agonising end to a person wanting to…well…timetable their death. Like, plan it. Like, they simply have to be in charge literally right up to the bitter end.

     Not wishing to sound all new age and crystal wearing…could it be that we have an allotted lifespan? Does our corporeal self have a time to be born and a time to die? Will this desperate bid to be in charge…to eliminate the natural and the random from our beginnings and endings…see the permanent disconnection of humans from the spiritual?
     • weka 8.1.1

       16 September 2019 at 4:18 pm

       I don't necessarily disagree with that, but doesn't life saving and life prolonging medical intervention mean we no longer have natural and random endings to our lives?
       • Rosemary McDonald 8.1.1.1

         16 September 2019 at 4:42 pm

         I don't think anyone has a problem with an emergency Caesarian to save the life of mum and babe…but a planned and timetabled major intervention like this for 'social reasons'? From the 'too posh to push' brigade or from those for whom a particular birthdate is auspicious in some way? As for medical interventions, extreme lifesaving measures…there used to be talk in medical fields around the phenomenon of he some respond and live…yet others getting the same treatment die. Why?
         • Drowsy M. Kram 8.1.1.1.1

           16 September 2019 at 8:06 pm

           I'd put 'being allowed to exercise a personal choice about when/how to die' in the 'nice to have' category. If I was compos mentis, and it was my choice, then I'd prefer to be allowed to choose.

           I might never make such a choice – might not need to, or be able to. But the idea of being allowed to make this personal choice appeals to me, a bit like being allowed, nay encouraged, to be responsible when it comes to putting a do (or do not) resuscitate instruction in place.

           If I had to tease out the reasons why, I think fear (and so cowardice?) would be somewhere up there. Maybe needing to be in control also has something to do with it. I’m about as opposite to an ‘adrenalin junkie’ as you could get, so minimising (as opposed to eliminating) risk seems common sense IMHO.
9. Hanswurst 9

   16 September 2019 at 3:13 pm

   Tracy Watkins performs a typical sleight of hand, contrasting John Key's handling of Richard Worth, a caucus member, with Ardern's handling of issues around party and parliamentary employees. She also lumps Helen Clark in with John Key on that score, despite having contrasting examples in Taito Philip Field, David Benson-Pope and Winston Peters (different from the Worth situation, but she would still need to address that). It's fine if she wants to compare and contrast, but Watkins doesn't do that, she just conflates separate issues. Watkins has been NZ's very worst political journalist for some time, and I've never been able to work out whether she's devious, gullible, thick or a combination of some or all of those.
   • rod 9.1

     16 September 2019 at 4:43 pm

     Tracy Watkins is a National Party Puppet. Fixed it for you.
     • Hanswurst 9.1.1

       16 September 2019 at 4:51 pm

       No, my peripheral question concerned whether she's a puppet or a conscious shill.
10. amirite 10

    16 September 2019 at 4:23 pm

    Listen to the beginning of the bulletin. Interesting!

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018713479
    • greywarshark 10.1

      16 September 2019 at 4:46 pm

      Come on give us a clue what it's about? First guess – Toss up for either Simon or Paula – or is it Judith?
11. greywarshark 11

    16 September 2019 at 4:44 pm

    Brexit. Queen's Speech: What is it and why is it important?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32816450

    A run-through of what is to come and a timeline of the various happenings. There is usually a five day debate after the Queen's Address I think called 'The Humble Address'.
12. Hanswurst 12

    16 September 2019 at 4:59 pm

    A risible Frankenstein's argument from National about the proposed gun register, bolting on a reference to mental health as a wedge for Labour voters, and a reference to criminal to appeal to National's constituency. Interviewers should always ask if politicians have any evidence for what they are suggesting, and if they don't produce any, explicitly describe it as speculation/musings/guesswork (and never refer to it in the headline). After all, that would then be factual reporting, rather than opinion.
13. ianmac 13

    16 September 2019 at 5:03 pm

    Stop Press National Radio at 5pm.

    Credibility of main complainant at stake.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint
    • Fireblade 13.1

      16 September 2019 at 5:15 pm

      Labour abuse allegations investigator brings in computer expert

      "One of the people who investigated complaints about a Labour staffer has hired a forensic computer expert to prove he was never told about sexual assault allegations".

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/398894/labour-abuse-allegations-investigator-brings-in-computer-expert
    • greywarshark 13.2

      16 September 2019 at 5:19 pm

      Edit
      I feel utterly frustrated at the way this sexual assault case continues on. There needs to be a special panel set up to hear this case with detailed records and overseen by a QC or such. The accusations and denials flow back and forth, and it feels too much like an out of control Standard post.

      I want something better to settle this matter that is affecting the whole country, and the Coalition government that I support. So get something set up whoever is in charge, and stop this travesty. It is either an inflated story, or it is a very nasty matter, and if so it must be dealt with in a more effective and fairer way that brings everything together in a judicial way so that if there is a prosecution, the evidence is there. Let the discussion be continued in private, though not secret, and then it can be explained when the hearing is finished and everyone involved has given their report. Till then let there be an injunction on speaking to the media or public.
      • ianmac 13.2.1

        16 September 2019 at 5:26 pm

        If Sarah laid a complaint the issue could be explored by experts but so far…
14. ianmac 14

    16 September 2019 at 5:23 pm

    So Three members of the Committee have now refuted the Complainant's story. As has the defendant of the alleged sexual offender.

    And documents "sent" by the complainant Sarah appear to not exist. Therefore the Spinoff story is in serious doubt.

    Paula will call cover-up whitewash, denial etc ad nauseum.
    • MickeyBoyle 14.1

      16 September 2019 at 5:38 pm

      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115833369/labour-scandal-party-to-conduct-two-separate-inquiries-into-sexual-assault-allegations-response

      "Ardern announced that she would meet with the complainant's in the ongoing scandal"

      "The PM said the terms of reference for the Dew inquiry were now finalized but the complainant's did not wish for them to be released to the public"

      These people clearly exist Ian.
      • Koff 14.1.1

        16 September 2019 at 6:00 pm

        The article doesn't mention any refutation that there was a complainant, just the fact that the mention of a sexual assault was not made in any document provided by the main complainant ("Sarah") to the Labour Party's investigation panel of 3.
      • ianmac 14.1.2

        16 September 2019 at 6:53 pm

        Mickey I am sure that the people exist. I meant that Sarah claimed documents were sent to the Council but they don't exist. My guess is that Sarah has increased her complaint to sexual assault in order to get greater response. It is supremely unlikely that the Council members would flat out lie.
    • greywarshark 14.2

      16 September 2019 at 6:07 pm

      Edit
      MickeyB has quoted Ardern is to meet with complainants. End of first chapter.

      I hope this is a short story, not a continuing series. Let’s do what is right, and what our PM wants. The old men in the background,grooming the public, are not adding to their lustre as this trails on in such a disgraceful way.
      • ianmac 14.2.1

        16 September 2019 at 6:55 pm

        But what will you say Grey, if the sexual assault complaint does not exist? The saga largely depends on it doesn't it?
        • Anne 14.2.1.1

          16 September 2019 at 7:07 pm

          The waters are certainly getting muddier by the day. I agree with you there's little to be gained by the Labour Council members lying and they’re not lying – of that I am sure. But on the other hand something untoward was occurring. You don't get 7 people laying formal complaints and another 3 or 4 who are said to have unofficially complained.

          What a strange tale it's becoming.
          • ianmac 14.2.1.1.1

            16 September 2019 at 8:14 pm

            Maybe Anne, there is a group of individuals who were concerned about bad behaviour such as they believed that each had been bullied, perhaps including Sarah. The group thinking can reinforce the strength of the claims but Sarah didn't think to claim sexual assault which, had she brought that to the Council, would have tripped the "We are not equipped to deal with such events." The later recent increase of Sarah's serious complaint tripped the shambles which now exist.

            But someone is not being truthful. Will we ever find out? Paula will muddy the water as she did tonight on the News TV1
          • Drowsy M. Kram 14.2.1.1.2

            16 September 2019 at 8:56 pm

            Might be a bit of murky, even Dirty Politics in all this – something about Paula "Zip it, sweetie" Bennett as a victims' champion just doesn't ring true.

            Maybe the Nats have learned something from Key, English, Joyce, Coleman, Barclay, Ross et al., and moved on from their Dirty Politics escapades. If they can refrain from their usual vomitous do-nothing (self-enrichment excepted) behaviour when they regain control of parliament then we'll know for sure, but I wouldn't put another flag referendum past them – leopards and spots!

            It's never been a consciousness of her outer looks which I found troubling, but rather a lack of self-awareness of her effect on others and a deficiency of empathy.

            In own words, "I've grabbed opportunities and I've made the most of them, and that has been the key to the many successes I've had."

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=12207456
15. ianmac 15

    16 September 2019 at 8:19 pm

    Hear Hear!

    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has returned to the Beehive and described a sexual assault allegation saga engulfing the Labour Party as a "disgraceful orgy of speculation and innuendo".

    https://www.traillite.co.nz/motorhomes-for-sale/benimar/benimar-mileo/
    • Anne 15.1

      16 September 2019 at 8:26 pm

      Is he currently living in a camper van? Ooh, don't tell the tabloid journos. They'll have a collective heart-attack and all drop dead with coronaries. On second thoughts do tell them.
    • Rapunzel 15.2

      16 September 2019 at 8:45 pm

      I am certain that Winston Peters would have demanded to be told "what was going on" and would have refrained from saying anything unless he was certain he was basing his reaction on fact. Why would he do otherwise? The National Party will be even further from his considerations than they already were.
    • ianmac 15.3

      16 September 2019 at 8:49 pm

      OOps!

      I meant:

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268181
16. Eco maori 16

    19 September 2019 at 8:38 am

    Kia Ora The Am Show

    Aotearoa economy is doing great sailing into the headwinds created by larger economy's.

    Greta is a incredibly intelligent individual Rangatahi who is educating the Papatuanuku about the REAL threat climate change is to our Papatuanuku future society Kia kaha Greta keep up the excellent mahi.

    Bees play a very important role in our society we have to stop using agricultural chemicals on our farms we need to become the Organic farmers all over the Papatuanuku.

    Tyrone Great to see Massey students winning a competition to New York to show their building low cost air quality sensors kia kaha.

    Lloyd the black peet saga gives me a in sight on their society's view that can be found throughout Western society.

    Kate Shepherd house being brought by Heritage NZ is cool she made a great contribution to the good changes Aotearoa

    16000 electric cars is a heck of a lot of carbon emissions not being blown into our environment.

    The tide is changing fast to A Papatuanuku that puts our the wellbeing of other into our plans like our future decendints. Humans have changed our environment for centuries build a whare we are changing the environment inside the whare to a warmer dryer environment so we can slow global warming we just have to do it for the future.

    That's the way dumping your gas gussling car for electric scooter.

    Ka kite Ano
17. Eco maori 17

    19 September 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Eco Maori got this a few years ago I tau toko all people who champion mitigating human cause climate change. It makes me proud to see all the tamariki stepping up to the challenge letting everyone know that inaction on climate change is not good enough. Words are cheap action is not. It will give me a sore face when I see the MASSIVE CROWDs protesting to the Papatuanuku leaders to change the way of the Papatuanuku to become carbon neutral ASAP on Friday 20 of September 2019 KIA KAHA.

    Scientists set out how to halve greenhouse gas emissions by 2030

    Strong civil society movements are needed to ramp up pace of change, says study

    

    Greenhouse gas emissions could be halved in the next decade if a small number of current technologies and behavioural trends are ramped up and adopted more widely, researchers have found, saying strong civil society movements are needed to drive such change.

    Solar and wind power, now cheaper than fossil fuels in many regions, must be scaled up rapidly to replace coal-fired generation, and this alone could halve emissions from electricity generation by 2030, according to the Exponential Roadmap report from an international group of countries

    If the rapid uptake of electric vehicles in some parts of the world could be sustained, the vehicles could make up 90% of the market by 2030, vastly reducing emissions from transport, it said.

    Avoiding deforestation and improving land management could reduce emissions by the equivalent of about 9bn tonnes of carbon dioxide a year by 2030, according to the report, but contradictory subsidies, poor planning and vested interests could stop this from happening.

    The way to any transition will be the growing social movements that are pressing for urgent action on climate breakdown. By driving behavioural change, such as moving away from the overconsumption of meat and putting pressure on governments and companies, civil movements have the power to drive the transformation needed in the next decade, say the report’s authors.

    Christiana Figueres, a former top climate official at the UN, said: “I see all evidence that social and economic tipping points are aligning. We can now say the next decade has the potential to see the fastest economic transition in history. Ka kite Ano link below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/19/power-halve-greenhouse-gas-emissions-2030-climate-scientists
18. Eco maori 18

    19 September 2019 at 6:29 pm

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    I agree that our youth should get the OK to vote as its there future we are making a mess of at the minute.

    The Tongan Prime Minister tangi today he will be missed by Te tangata.

    I think it's good that South Africa government going to protect their Wahine from being disrespect by men Mana Wahine that's the way stand up for your rights to a happy health life.

    Ka kite Ano
19. Eco maori 19

    19 September 2019 at 6:55 pm

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    Ngāti Hinerangi wanting to captilize on the Hobbit phenomenon that's the way tangata whenua have to chase all opertunaties to build a moanga for Te mokopuna.

    Wai New Zealand conference it awesome that more thought research and respect is being given to the way we interact with our Taonga Wai.

    The deaf have a taki with the services they get from the tellco company's because they don't use their talking minutes that's the way if they don't no there is a problem with some tangata then they can not fix it kia kaha.

    350 climate change Rangatahi that is the way let every one know you are not happy with the mess being made of your future

    Kupe scholarships Ka pai to Wahine for getting the scholarship and chasing a higher education Mana Wahine

    Stay native looks like a winner to Eco Maori we have to look after each other in our Tangata Whenua O Aotearoa Papatuanuku AWSOME. NO one else is going to look after Maori but Maori.
    Pu Rakau is great getting Te tamariki to be invative industrial and learning math and sciences kia kaha tamariki.
    Ka kite Ano
20. Eco maori 20

    20 September 2019 at 8:32 am

    Kia Ora The Am Show.

    Its great the government's retirement fund is performing well I hope they are moving their investment away from high carbon footprint industry.

    Cool that money is being invested into research on why tabco is so addictive Hope they find something to help smokers Quit.

    I remember just before a election national had a huge civil construction company hiring heaps of people with false jobs. I know I went for the jobs got to Wellington and it turned out to be a micky mouse club no real mahi being transferred from different jobs sights WHAT A JOKE it was just a skeem to get people off the dole just before the 2014 elections.

    The reason there are more people on unemployment system is because national made it so HARD to get social security that many people could not jump through all the HOOPs to get on their social security system that's a fact. Hence all the people living under the BRIDGE. Our economy is not tanking you are just talking it down

    Our Coalition Government is a legitimate government they got the seats and popularity to prove it.

    Most business people are national supporters so when national jumps up and down putting down our economy they listen to their views or deliberately put out data to show they have low confidence.

    Te tangata Te tangata Te tangata William is correct its about Te tangata no just putea.

    Those idiots who started those fires in Australia need to be jailed we can't have fools causing so much damage just for their own wellbeing how selfish.

    The Rugby Papatuanuku Cup will be A awesome event we will be watching the games using solar power for our device.

    Not just dog need aroha all creatures need Tangata aroha .

    Ka kite Ano

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