Open Mike 16/08/2017

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  1. Sanctuary 1

    Jacinda has handled her first minor kerfuffle over Barnaby Joyce adroitly, and as a result there is no traction here for Labour’s opponents and I hear the Aussie media is saying Julie Bishop’s attack has backfired. Nicely managed.

    • tc 1.1

      Watch the Oz media hopefully cut bishop to ribbons, they know turdbulls regime is ineffective/unstable/full of vipers like her, Chris pine and Abbott to name but a few.

      She’s had it coming awhile now, yet another litigator turned polly meddling for the cause.

      • patricia bremner 1.1.1

        Julie Bishop is a great friend of JK.

        Ergo a friend of National NZ.

        Looks and smacks of desperation .

        Looking forward to the polls in NZ … They must be dire!!

  2. miravox 3

    Rachel Stewart bluntly spoon-feeds the responses to the arguments against Labour’s freshwater policy.

    I listen to each and every argument from the industry and, because I’ve been writing about water issues for years, I sit back and wait patiently for their predictable lines. They never disappoint

    … You’d have to be high to think that a 1 to 2 cent royalty is the end of farming as we know it. Either that, or you simply don’t care about the future of our waterways. Which is it?

  3. Eco maori 4

    It’s good to see Jacainda handle the media with out using avoid answering the question tactics. Like most politicians.
    She is way above the other parties leaders National is out

  4. Plan B 5

    Reading the Sydney Morning Herald this AM
    I get the feeling that the Liberal Government attacks on NZ Labour are not working because Australians do not really think of us as particularly ‘foreign’ and definitely not a ‘power’

    • weka 5.1

      Lol, I’ve been thinking that too. Seymour is having a good go at making out we’ve destabilised the region cos North Korea though.

    • alwyn 5.2

      Ever lived in Australia?
      Your supposition about not thinking of us as a “power” is absolutely correct. “not particularly foreign” is unfortunately not true. They are, in general quite scornful about New Zealand and denigrate the country.
      They are also almost totally ignorant of New Zealand. I lived in Melbourne. If asked 4 out of 5 people would tell you the Capital of New Zealand was Auckland. It was the only city they had heard of.

  5. AsleepWhileWalking 6

    So…electric cars for the government fleet. I would hope NZ is careful about where components especially Cobalt come from.

    • Molly 6.1

      Spent a wasted 20 minutes on the phone being put through to various people at Auckland Council, asking where I could get information about the current recycling process of all the things we put in the recycling bin. 20 min of my life I won’t get back, all I managed was to get some enthusiastic person telling me I could now mix all my recycling in one container. Apparently after it has been collected it disappears into a black hole.

      Our lack of knowledge regarding extraction methods, manufacturing, and recycling etc. means we don’t make informed choices. The issue around slavery is a relevant one, the incidence of slavery around the world is growing. Even is good ol’ NZ, we see the evidence of it.

    • mpledger 6.2

      We’ve got a Fair Phone although it was a bit of a job to get it to NZ.

      • greywarshark 6.2.1

        That’s interesting, positive.

        Next thing to include, is a hang-around-neck cord and facility to press wait so that you can get on with something while you wait half an hour to speak to someone who will tell you that they aren’t the right person and to phone someone else.

        The phone will be left on wait mode and when a voice comes on it will let you know to listen so you don’t drop out of the queue and can do your jobs, concentrate on study while you wait.

        And it will go onto some cheaper phoning mode, perhaps you can get special lowpriced modes to your favourite government department, or other arrogant, uncaring entity that wants to keep you as a specimen connected electronically so they can send signals to you to make you jump. They will be working on methods so they can photo how high as I speak.

        Perhaps a phone that will go on hold for you while you get on with your life beside it has already been developed. If so it should be available for sale or hire purchase at special low rates each People’s Day which will be set for at least once a year, when it is the thing to consider other humans in a friendly, supportive and kindly way, even if it is just once a year.

      • Molly 6.2.2

        I have a couple of technology interested sons, so knew about the Fairphone. Bit of a hefty price tag for us, unfortunately, but a good example of ethical business practice and supply chain accountability. (We usually make do with being the first leg of re-use, and buy second-hand. If we ever have a surplus, this is the type of business I would prefer to support). The website is really worth looking at to see how they approach the sourcing of materials and manufacturing.

        I believe it is also important to allow initiatives like this to make mistakes (as long as they correct them), because there are few frameworks around to design your business to, and few if any mentors, or support services that can offer experienced advice.

    • Ms Fargo 6.3

      I think the Nats are frightened and are thinking very small…
      Why only float the idea of replacing fossil fueled cars with electric ones?
      All they are doing is replacing like with like.
      This will only mean the same number of vehicles (and number still increases…) with one occupant in it are on the road. All the while, still clogging roads and forcing more numpty ideas like roads of national inpotence to be initiated.
      If they had any vision they would have cut out the middle man and gone hard out on public transport.

  6. Penny Bright 7

    Seen this?

    “UN prepares to grill NZ government

    14 Aug 2017 15:36 PM

    New Zealand’s performance on racism and human rights comes under scrutiny this week at the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in Geneva.

    As well as holding two three-hour sessions with government representatives, the committee will take into account reports from the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions, Action for Children & Youth Aotearoa, Peace Movement Aotearoa, Save Our Unique Landscape and other non-government organisations.

    Examples of where the Government has fallen down on compliance include the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill, Ihumatao and the Special Housing Area in Mangere, the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, deep-sea oil seismic exploration and drilling, and the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011;

    There are also concerns around the care and protection of Maori children, the treatment of Maori children in state care, and access to education, health services and a minimum standard of living for Maori and Pasifika children;

    Some submitters has also alleged institutional racism and structural discrimination in the administration of justice, employment, and the health system. ”


  7. Muttonbird 8

    Here’s this week’s John Key fluff piece, brought to you by the National Party campaign team.

    Watch for these appearances and endorsements of the National Party to continue and for Key to get ever closer to English…

    Watch for them to increase if National’s poll numbers continue to drop.

    • tc 8.1

      Key will want to distance himself given the Barclay saga hes in as deep as Bill is on and what attempts he made to matain equal rights for kiwis in Oz now his mates across the ditch have put that into play.

      Oh what a web we weave etc etc

    • Red Blooded 8.2

      After watching that it makes me wonder if all the bottles of wine he has given to “so called” journalists and now at least one box of golf balls to a National Party shill, are gifts like that (when so publically made) classified as election spending?

  8. Robert Guyton 9

    “taxation is the price we pay for civilisation” quotes Chris Trotter in his latest Bowally Road piece.
    It’s certainly one of the prices we pay, Chris.

    • Molly 9.1

      Picked up a gardening magazine with you in it this afternoon at the library, Robert.

      In it you talked about propagation, and I thought of the recent Gardener’s World I watched on Youtube, where Monty Don was attempting propagation in the midst of summer, suggested by Jimi Blake from Ireland, earlier in the programme.

      A couple of episodes later, he showed the results. Eighteen astrantia plants showing strong growth. I’ve been successful with propagation while plants are dormant, but might give this a try this year.

      (Uncomfortable sensation of being a child teaching a grandmother to suck eggs, but FWIW )

      • Robert Guyton 9.1.1

        Thanks, Molly, that’s really interesting and I’ve recently talked with two people who recommend “out of season” propagation; for plum and blueberry. Both are masters at their art and I’ve seen the results. I’ve also learned recently about shade houses and the benefits they offer for recently grafted trees- the success and growth rates are significantly higher when the plants are shaded in that way. I’m pretty much propagating at all times now – there’s no time to waste and a whole planet that needs to be reclothed – as Masanobu Fukuoka said, our only hope lies in the initiating a 2nd Genesis. I’m giving it all I’ve got. I reckon we’ll do it 🙂 I’ll look at your link tonight, thanks again.

        • Molly

          Have the One-Straw Revolution book, it’s a good read (and a bargain, withdrawn from the library for 20c).

          • Robert Guyton

            Molly – I’m reading “Braiding Sweetgrass” at the moment and there’s a lovely line therein discussing “Man’s” position in the hierarchy of creatures saying, ‘Plants know how to make food and medicine from light and water, and then they give it away”. Humans are regarded as the “younger brother” who knows least about the world and how to function in it.

    • Extinction is the other price )

  9. rod 10

    Surprise Surprise, Sir John Key is a great fan of Mark Richardson. Who would have thought that.

  10. Ad 11

    Jacinda Ardern pauses for a selfie with schoolchildren, and they sing a song for her, and so of course she will get TV1 news for it tonight.

    On top of that, she announced dedicated mental health workers for Christchurch children:

    At this point it’s pretty hard to see her doing any wrong at all.

  11. greywarshark 12

    As time goes on towards the election, and bits of furrin news drip into my ears and I find I get stressed, sharp and unpleasant I think I will treat myself to a regular witticism or wry comment from a book from Guardian readers.

    New political and ecological crusade?:

    ‘My son has cost me a fortune with his chronic Lego addiction.
    It is time to ban this plastic brick filth.’

    (I believe that Lego are seeking to do exactly that. So things do progress somewhere in the world if not here.)

  12. Eco maori 13

    I’m mowing my new clients and all the police can do to me is tell my new clients lies and try and intimate me by following me .Did anyone no that the police can use a witness with no credibility offer them money and a get out of jail free card to give manufactured everdance . That is why the jails are so full in a public litigating
    These witnesses would be deemed in fit to give evedince

    • greywarshark 13.1

      Eco maori
      Hope all goes well with you. Can you get an advocate and get an appointment to see the police, and ask – calmly – why they are following you? The advocate should be someone who has good standing, a good hearted pastor or lawyer.
      Ask for a chance to do some work without having the police shadow you and spoil your efforts. But have someone with you, might give the police a surprise to actually talk to you man to man, sort of. It might take you a while to impress them but you want to get free of this profiling.

      • Eco maori 13.1.1

        There is no way that’s going to happen I rang a big wig In the police force talk for about 20 min and they stepped up the intimidation Greywarshark

  13. Eco maori 14

    Think about The Tina Porter case you cannot even defend against these lieing wittness because they are classed as confidential witnesses WTF

  14. adam 15

    Every get the feeling that the Tory’s in this country are actually racists?

    Why say such a thing??!?

    We have had a major terrorist attack in the USA, and the deathly quite from the usual rowdy suspects when it is Muslims based terrorist attack is staggering.

    Where is the outcry from them, where is the wringing of hands, the calls for bans, annihilation, and bombs.

    Deathly quite, not even a condemnation.

    If I was a Tory in this country – I be scared some leftist wanker would point this out.

  15. Eco maori 16

    My client’s are to scared to be a witness for my case against the cops because they are being threatened with charges of aiding and abiding a criminal

    • Eco maori 16.1

      I got pissed off when I first talked to my 90 year old client she said she would pay when I finished mowing is that all right I replied you are the boss and we had a laugh I shook her hand when I finished mowing she looked terrified and open the scean door just enough to put check out the door I asked if she was all right she looked scared . The police don’t care that this old lady is frail as she could have health problems because of there actions.But the police don’t care so long as they are intimidating me I no they got nothing on me I feel sorry for my client’s they did nothing to be treated like this The old lady well being means nothing to them WTF she just a old Asian I’m going to try and sell run I can handle these Muppets but my clients don’t need there shit she lives by her self to it looks like she gets home help

      • greywarshark 16.1.1

        It seems you need an outside mentor. Sorry about this happening to you. Police and other forces set in their ways can be hard to convince. Have you spoken to any of the helping agencies that have actual experience of this and can understand where you are coming from. Blokes who know the hard life but have either turned themselves around or have been able to live with or near it and not fall into negative ways themselves.

        Can anyone suggest a muscular organisation that deals in help and kindness to others trying to make good?

  16. Molly 17

    Sanctions – corporate style.

    Fletcher’s Mark Adamson paid a $2.9m exit package.

    My partner works closely with Fletchers and says that no-one had anything good to say about the CEO, who was encouraged – very strongly – to leave (…to wreak havoc elsewhere no doubt.)

  17. OncewasTim 18

    Jesus Christ!
    …. watching Oz Parlyarmint QT.
    DOES Joolie Bishop not seriously understand that the opposition was laughing at HER?
    Thank Christ I got the hell out of there in the early 70s.
    And I realise NZ gNats are so in awe of them, my hope is they’ll do the decent thing and fuck off and join them

  18. mikesh 19

    If Bill English is not “delivering for NZ”, Brett Hudson certainly is. I’ve just had a letter from him asking me to party vote National in Ohariu. The letter had no stamp so it must have been hand delivered.

  19. odysseus 20

    Any inklings from anyone on what the TV1 political poll will reveal tomorrow?


    I think if you are alive in 5 years you are going to be a lonely radioactive cannibal.

    • lprent 21.1

      In 5 years? I always knew you were an optimist.
      But after the tragic and missed death of travelleve, I guess she is over compensating.

      The trick is to pace yourself. Yeah it is completely stupid. But it takes time to educate the stupid to the point where they have alternatives and those become fashion items. I’ve been at it for 40 years…

  21. mosa 22

    Clutha Southland have their new MP Hamish Walker.
    He has the perfect National party pedigree……Business advisor , Degree in business , commercial fisherman and police jailor , and gold miner with a seat on the lotteries board to boot.

    And not forgetting the all important rugby credentials he is a world class rugby referee just to put the icing on the Clutha cake.

    Not that any of this matters because the good people of Southland would vote for a dog turd as long as it was standing for the National party.

    Well he is not Todd and has not been selling backey so he will be a safe bet as long as he does not remark ” can i get that on tape ” even as a joke.

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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago

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