Significant events in New Zealand History – South African Rugby Tour 1981
Over the last few weeks we have been catching snippets of news replays and interviews with various high profile people who were around in 1981 (including Kathryn Ryan’s interview with Kumi Naidoo) and simply cannot believe Joky Hen’s stated detachment from and disinterest in issues at the time – particularly given he was apparently at University – where issues were in your face!
Yep. I am John Key’s age and was at University at the same time although at Auckland. I can tell you what I was doing during most of the games and which protests I attended (almost all).
There are two possibilities for Key’s statement:
1. He is suffering major medical problems with his memory,
2. He is lying.
Has the English language changed overnight? I was proposing two possibilities to explain a phenomenon and you are claiming that I maintained one was true?
Tell me SS do you get paid by CT per post here or do you get a bonus for the especially inane ones?
SS,
I was living in Holland at the time (being Dutch and all) and I remember what I was thinking about NZ and the South African Rugby tour! That’s how big it was. For John not to remember is incomprehensible!
SS/Pete, it’s very simple. It stretches the imagination somewhat that a man of Key’s age has trouble remembering his stance on the events of the 1981 Springbok Tour. Even I can remember it and I was three and a half at the same time and all it looked like to me was a bunch of big blue blokes with moustaches hitting people on the telly. So I think it’s safe to conclude that Jonkey is obfuscating.
As for a serious medical problem with his memory, do you really have that flimsy a grasp of basic sarcasm or are you intentionally trying to clog up yet another thread with inane concern trolling?
Good trolling, SS – besides the obvious parallels regarding the RWC and Fiji, or indeed a lack of concern about free trade with nations that practise child or slave labour, the fact is that Key’s lack of memmory sums him up nicely.
He would rather claim senility than admit to having an actual opinion about some of the most notable events in NZ’s recent history.
It is inconceivable that anyone of reasonably sound mind that was around in ’81 does not recall what their opinion on the tour was, especially whilst attending a hothouse of ideas and events such as universities were in that pre ‘bums on seats’ era.
It is conceivable 30 years later though that someone i.e. Shonkey, might not want to publicly express that opinion in light of todays views on racism etc. and risk the smile and wave narrative. What a slippery character.
Yeah this is one that has not gone away for Key, possibly because there are still thousands of us left that personally experienced the tour. Like Micky I spent weeks at meetings, marches and police stations that winter, and know that it is just NOT possible even for those on the sidelines to not have had an opinion.
Really who cares if Shonkey had some weasel position on it, the issue is the credibility of the PM of this country.
Saw this faux pas? The ass finds it difficult to tell the difference. “Confused” was quite a polite euphemism for fkd up.
“A Government spokesperson says the prime minister confused advice about Nakarawa not being on the team list, with the list of people who are banned from travel here, including serving army officers.”
Sorry to repeat myself M/S but as I have said on Standard before ,Key seems to have a drink problem. All the symtons are there .Loss of memory, the stupid grinning and hand flaping plus the flounting around and acting the fool. Just take note off the times he photographed with a drink in his hand, Helen always had fruit juice thats why she was so articulate , not like the buffon we are burdened with now.
Would votes be gained for him and his image enhanced by stating that he was anti-tour? No.
Would votes be lost and his image damaged by stating he was anti-tour? Well, his image would be damaged in the eyes of a percentage of national voters.
Would votes be gained and his image enhanced if he stated he was pro-tour? No.
Would votes be lost and his image damaged if he stated he was pro-tour? Well, his image would definately be damaged.
Let’s face it. He wasn’t anti-tour. He has indicated this quite strongly.
But if he was to state that overtly, then how would he explain his support of government policy towards Fiji?
Meanwhile, I’m willing to believe that he was essentially disinterested…neither pro nor anti…out the loop…too wrapped up in his own $$$ concerns to have the tour play a role as a ‘marker’ for memory.
And again, he can’t state that for obvious reasons of image.
So his only option, insofar as he relies on image to translate into votes is avoidance
Not sure that it’s about votes to be honest Bill. I reckon it’s about self image pure and simple.
He hates to be on the ‘wrong’ side of things, so ‘forgets’, or avoids confronting, examples of that being the case.
Other examples include not showing up for Melissa Lee on by-election night; refusing to state why Worth was forced out of parliament; his comments on mine safety. etc.
Much of his rhetorical wrigglyness is for votes, and much of it seems to be based on not really being on top of shit, but some of it, to my eyes at least, looks like cognitive dissonance working its magic.
Its simply passing on the lessons mate, to a new generation which must do the fighting now. Anyways, haven’t you ever had a nice reminisce with old fight buddies over a few beers 🙂
Just take a little time out and listen to the radionz link posted at the top of this thread and you will, perhaps, understand just how important the events around 1981 were to the struggle within South Africa.
Not a victory for New Zealanders, but a major contribution towards a victory over oppressed peoples.
Wouldn’t it have been wonderful to hear our current PM being able to say he was proud to have been part of that movement for change, instead of expressing indifference and trying desperately to come up with an explanation for his position.
What it also exposes, of course, is the shallowness of the subsequent “apologies” from the RFU and many of its ardent supporters here in New Zealand. Hope you were too young to be involved in 1981, otherwise your comments speak volumes about you…
Wouldn’t it have been wonderful to hear our current PM being able to say he was proud to have been part of that movement for change, instead of expressing indifference and trying desperately to come up with an explanation for his position.
No, I appreciate his honesty as he could easily have said some mealy-mouthed platitude that would have pleased the middle-class and middle-aged liberals
And as for change just exactly how much better off is South Africa now?
@ Nat Brown Noser 73: South Africans still have some chance at least to sort their society out via the ballot box which was not possible under the Apartheid system.
The SA democratic change unfortunately occured during the height of Reaganism and Thatcherism which made it majorly harder.
Have to agree there. No sooner than Mandela was let out he embraced neo-liberalism and privatisaton all the way.
Yes, He was a great man who never lost hope and evenutally achieived his aim, but the neo-liberalism in my mind will always seem like an asterisk to me.
Millsy,
a reading of the original ANC Freedom Charter shows clearly that it was a national liberation movement, not necessarily an anti captialist or anti US corporate movement. That is why a number of people in the NZ anti apartheid and local anti racist movement in 1981 suggested looking at the programme of the PAC (Pan African Congress) and other left groups.
The poor buggers assumed fledgeling parliamentary democracy at the worst of times when neo liberalism was at it’s height.
“No, I appreciate his honesty as he could easily have said some mealy-mouthed platitude….”
Let’s break this down:
“No, I appreciate his honesty “- ….”I can’t remember” is not an honest answer, he’s not old enough to begin losing his memory yet, it’s an evasive answer.
“as he could easily have said some mealy-mouthed platitude”- he did. and he does, over and over and over again.
Going against the grain slightly, I’m picking that apartheid would have eventually come to an end, tour or not. Depriving over 70 percent of the population of political representation and civil rights was unsustainable.
The Evening Standard yesterday interviewed Chris Bryant about his tireless efforts to investigate phone-hacking. This, understandably, annoyed Rebekah Brooks (nee Wade). Here’s Bryant’s version of his last meeting with Rupert Murdoch’s favourite seemingly Teflon-coated, flame-haired executive:
“She came up to me and said, ‘Oh, Mr Bryant, it’s after dark — shouldn’t you be on Clapham Common?”
“At which point Ross Kemp [the ex-EastEnders actor and her then husband] said, ‘Shut up, you homophobic cow’.”
Whether or not Kemp continued with “Leave it, you slag. He’s not worth it,” Bryant does not say.
I just found back some interesting links and thought to put them here for those of you curious about what really happened on 9/11 and how come the airspace was unprotected for more than 1.5 hours.
This is a video of Former Sen. Mark Dayton who wants to know why and how it was possible nobody was fired for the fact that the US airspace was unprotected for such a long time and he asks about the lies of the FAA and NORAD during 4 separate hearings.
This is a link to a radio presentation made by Robin Hordon who is a former FAA air traffic controller and core member of pilots for 911 truth who spells out the 50 year old protocol for dealing with in flight emergencies and hijackings which was violated four times that day.
Is Key becoming another arrogant politician? He said changing the Parliamentary oath of allegiance is not something he’s considered so it is not likely to change any time soon.
He will ignore the people and make his own decision? This is very poor from him, one of his weaknesses. He’s done this before, including jumping to rule out CGT.
He’s in danger of becoming just another politician too obsessed with his own opinion and power.
Further on Christchurch and the thinking on its progress and difficulties. On Chris Laidlaw this morning Radionz see below. This guy Regan Potangaroa is very clear headed, looking for a real understanding of what is needed, and sounds like a problem solver with good human values. A person to respect and listen out for when he makes comment. Also this group Engineers without Borders group sounds as if they are practical thinkers with minds open to finding solutions that work for people.
10:06 Regan Potangaroa – Engineering Change
For nearly 15 years, Dr Potangaroa has been involved in humanitarian aid and post disaster work in places such as Haiti, Sudan, Pakistan and Indonesia. More recently he has been working in Christchurch and he talks to Chris about humanitarian engineering – applying engineering principles directly to helping people hit by poverty and disaster, by providing clean drinking water, roads and houses. He also has a few things to say about building a better, fairer Christchurch, and taking care of the poorer parts of town where the most vulnerable people live.
Dr Regan Potangaroa is an Associate Professor at the School of Architecture at Unitec Auckland. He is attending this weekend’s Engineers without Borders NZ conference at Auckland University.
Interesting how Chris Laidlaw felt bound to make positive comment about Mayor Bob Parker. It is an illustration of why it is important to have informed people that aren’t in the NZ buddy loop so we can get unbiased views to help us evaluate how things are going on down here in Aotearoa.
Interesting how Chris Laidlaw felt bound to make positive comment about Mayor Bob Parker.
This is the spurious idea of “balance”. We saw it last week with Jim Mora asserting that he doesn’t want to “censor” the views of anyone—even a violent and discredited organisation like Garth McVicar’s Sensible Sentencing Trust.
But right at the end of the programme today, Laidlaw actually did something far more craven than putting in a good word for Mayor Bob. He read a ridiculous e-mail from someone who was affronted by the popular and media backlash against the saintly Rupert Murdoch. “What about Nicky Hager? He hacked into the National Party’s computers….”
Now, Chris Laidlaw is not stupid. He knows perfectly well that Hager did no such thing, and that he was leaked the information from a contact in Bill English’s officethe National Party. The police found that there was no evidence at all of computer-hacking. Other than witless dupes like the fellow who sent Laidlaw that e-mail, the only people who say there was hacking are John Key and Don Brash, both of them notorious liars and both of them outed in Hager’s book for their secret deals with the Brethren.
Yet Laidlaw still read out that letter. Once again, in case you’re horrified and mystified, it’s called “balance”.
It was the smiling assassin who had the most to gain he would have had to wait years to get another chance by then his good looks would be gone get it right.
This thing about press freedoms and competition and unfettered debate is what we hear argued for when talking about the dangers of government regulation.
So what happens – one megalomaniac tries to buy up all the newspapers and achieve a monopoly.
Then the press freedom is used to print whatever they want in a way that appeals to the most punters, no matter how it injures the subject and using whatever sleazy and unlawful means as with the phone hacking.
‘Unfettered debate’ has to be carried on under the shadow of this sort of power and so some things are left unsaid if unwanted by the now media empire.
The editors can be said to be completely free to publish without control from above, if the right person is appointed, at the right price. Then the puppet strings can be completely unnecessary or unseen.
And then there is the peculiar result of this mendacious media adopting a witch-hunting puritanical stance on sexual matters with an entirely salacious and voyeuristic zeal. They rightly say they are encouraged to do so by a public envious of those better endowed at all levels, who delight in the second-hand thrill of the ‘revelations’. When questioned one of the newspaper operatives questioned by Hugh Grant about this replied that he should have kept his in his pants. A lot of sniggers from behind. Of course the point that people’s private life should remain so, unless they do it in the street (or breach the noise controls) was bypassed in that discussion. (I think I heard the comment on today’s Mediawatch which can be played again and is also repeated at night).
It took Rupert Murdoch only three and a half years to get there, starting with the moment he acquired the paper from the dysfunctional Bancroft family in December 2007, a purchase that was completed after he vowed to protect The Journal’s editorial integrity and agreed to a (toothless) board that was supposed to make sure he kept that promise.
Fat chance of that. Within five months, Murdoch had fired the editor and installed his close friend Robert Thomson, fresh from a stint Fox-ifying The Times of London. The new publisher was Leslie Hinton, former boss of the division that published Murdoch’s British newspapers, including The News of the World.
With 64 million of these apartments sitting empty, too expensive for most Chinese to rent – artificially inflated prices keep “value” up high, which is also helpful on the spreadsheets – they’ve created the largest property bubble in history. The tiger’s paper is wearing thin.
There’s a you tube video at the link that shows these empty cities.
NB those empty cities are going to come in damn handy in 10-15 years time. I’m also betting that they are all being maintained, grass cut and windows cleaned, even as they are essentially deserted.
Presenting a coherent economic policy which may or may not impress those in the know but may not work on the general population.
The numbers are coarse but it seems Labour lost 7, and the Greens gained 5.
Not a good result but Labour/Green are still in it and need to raise their support.
And it is too early to be taken as evidence that the population may not like the CGT. These sorts of policies need to percolate through and the effects may take a while to appear.
Who gives a fuck? Off shore events with PIIGS and Tea Parties are going to send the world economy bust before thhe election, even if Shonkers wins he will be in the hot seat (plus his cash holdings will go up in flames as the banks fail).
millsy, it’s not Labour’s fault that Joe and Mary Bloggs are as thick as two short planks. Nor is it their fault J&M are politically ignorant, and take 6 months to figure out what the politically savvy can recognise in 24 hrs. My biggest fear is that Labour have left it too late to reveal their tax policies. I’m not convinced J&M will have it sorted by Nov. 26.
Hoping like hell that I’m wrong!
Ok, what I’m trying to say is a less than diplomatic version of ms at 6:32pm.
Hell, they probably havn’t worked out what CGT stands for yet. 😀
Guyon Espiner’s party political broadcast on behalf of National on Thursday night TVNZ news must have helped this poll.
He said at the end of his report on Labour’s CGT announcement (where until then he had given the report in a reasonably soothing, unbiased way) that it had flaws and it would not be enough to woo national/swing voters away from national and that even some Labour voters would be lost because of it.
I rang to complain of his biased presentation, and said that I hoped this was not the beginning of the bias that I noticed from Espiner last election, where I considered that Espiner and his acolytes at TVNZ working wiith John Key and Rodney Hide were almost the sole reason there was a national victory in 2008.
I think such MSM spinners (or should I say ‘espinners’) should be outed and put in “dock’ or Murkdoch’ on the Standard everytime we see them spin for their preferred party during this election. A journalists ‘wall of shame’ where they fail to report the facts in a professionally ethical, fair,unbiased, objective manner, as they should.
It is remarkable that this poll reflects Guyon Espiner’s very ‘prophecy’. What a capable political reporter he is!?!
PS From election 08 coverage recognised the following as Nact Supporters ( I was not in the ‘know’ before): C&G Espiner, Duncan Garner and his side kick Scott somebody and possibly Tsai Tiffin, Barry Soper, Heather du Plessis Allen ,Therese Arseneau, Paul Holmes, Clare Trevett and most reporters at the Herald, particularly the Gallery. Wendy Petrie looks like she is joining this mob too from her tone and facial expreessions whist reporting on Labour’s Tax policy last Thursday. Although not a journalist, but now has a ‘column’ in the Herald, “philanthropist”Owen Glenn (mind you his actoid views do not lie well with said description of him).
I don’t mind comment or opinion when I know accurately what people stand for, but when they abuse what should be a neutral position to spin their own views, thereby subtly influencing public opinion, then it becomes propaganda and should be stamped out.
Wendy Petrie looks like she is joining this mob too from her tone and facial expreessions whist reporting on Labour’s Tax policy last Thursday.
Yes, I spotted that too seeker. In fact it’s happened several times in recent weeks. I spend more time at TV3 news because of it. TV3’s coverage on Thursday evening was fairer and more balanced than TV1. I commented to that effect here on Friday.
Btw, it’s far better to write a formal letter of complaint. Phone calls don’t even reach the right people. They’re just ignored. Worked in TV many years ago and that’s what used to happen. It won’t have changed.
Thanks Ann .I spotted your comment on Friday on Red Alert and was so pleased that someone had done just what you did. I just didn’t have time then. This type of thing really needs to be outed if we are not to be manipulated by unprofessional journalists and corporations – as Britain was for over 30years.
Trouble is, the political parties seem to think they have to court the media instead of standing up to them. I was glad to see Cunliffe put Espinor in his place this morning. Goff is inclined to be too polite with him.
The reality is, as pointed out on the Q&A – Kiwi workers will be looking at being up to 100 bucks a week off better under labour. With min wage, tax free zone, gst exemption off fruit and veg. The fact that the f*king stupid general public still dont get that John Key is selling their future, and their childrens future despite it being hammered out to them. In our household, its not through lack of sound and great labour policy, hate to say, but its Phil Goff. He is now too academic now to reach out to the working class – they arent listening. Cunliffe destroyed Espinar today – we hardly ever see politicians who have interviewers look as worried as that. He is RAZOR sharp, but warm and accessible…
Ok so Steven Joyce has “put Labour’s numbers through the Treasury calculator” and the REAL numbers show that (as reported by Farrar)
Labour’s package will result in less tax revenue until 2024! And then when you take account of the interest on the extra borrowing, it will result in an extra $15b of borrowing between now and 2025.”
Labours own numbers shower that the package became neutral in 7 years, the Nats claim its more like 12 years.
Labour did “forget” to add in intrest costs and did “assume” they could magically save $300 mil/yr in avoidance when the oppisite is logical.
10 years is propably close to the truth.
So Steven Joyce is using Govt depts for his own political ends pity they haven,t done the figures on the loss of income from asset sales as well . When you have an organization like treasury putting out stupid figures saying their are going to be a 170,000 new jobs in three years.You know their just making up stories for their neo liberal hero idols . The facts and the history don,t support this.National has been barely able to grow 30,000 new sustained jobs in 22years in govt since 1976 so nothing changes except that they have better spin doctors and a more subservant media which Joyce uses his connections with the radio works to push key the nice guy for free at every opportunity.
He could be a potential Labour voter micky, but no doubt you’ll jump to a conclusion and send him/her packing if you can. Can’t risk someone sneaking on board.
No, they will keep Goff – the plan was always to sacrifice him at this election. No matter how bad it gets they will keep him until after the election. It always takes a long time to rebuild after a party that has been controlled by a very dominant figure that polarised people, such as Muldoon or Clark – look how long it took for National to get themselves back into fully functional form following Muldoon’s demise, despite the incompetence of Labour during the 80s – it will be the same for Labour.
Ha – it might surprise you to know that I consider Brash an idiot – a Polite idiot tho’, as opposed to Mrs Harawira’s little boy who is simply a Rude idiot.
But my point is solid regarding Goff – he is just (and justly) cannon fodder while Cunliffe and Little complete their backroom manoueveurs.
Meh more recycled talking points. Meanwhile, Key is already one foot out the door, English has to be sweet talked to give the top position over to Joyce and he won’t like that one bit.
I thought someone like you would have said lunch time. But as they say a week in politics is a long time if the economy keeps dragging along the bottom Europe or the US crashes and or the All Blacks loose.Maybe a Murdoch moment happens here don,t count your chooks before they hatch they might just come home to roost just like a large Deb,t .Aye happy feet!
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Introduction: The allure of racing is undeniable. The thrill of speed, the roar of engines, and the exhilaration of competition all contribute to the allure of this adrenaline-driven sport. For those who yearn to experience the pinnacle of racing, becoming a race car driver is the ultimate dream. However, the ...
Introduction Automobiles have become ubiquitous in modern society, serving as a primary mode of transportation and a symbol of economic growth and personal mobility. With countless vehicles traversing roads and highways worldwide, it begs the question: how many cars are there in the world? Determining the precise number is a ...
Maintaining a safe and reliable vehicle requires regular inspections. Whether it’s a routine maintenance checkup or a safety inspection, knowing how long the process will take can help you plan your day accordingly. This article delves into the factors that influence the duration of a car inspection and provides an ...
Mazda Motor Corporation, commonly known as Mazda, is a Japanese multinational automaker headquartered in Fuchu, Aki District, Hiroshima Prefecture, Japan. The company was founded in 1920 as the Toyo Cork Kogyo Co., Ltd., and began producing vehicles in 1931. Mazda is primarily known for its production of passenger cars, but ...
Your car battery is an essential component that provides power to start your engine, operate your electrical systems, and store energy. Over time, batteries can weaken and lose their ability to hold a charge, which can lead to starting problems, power failures, and other issues. Replacing your battery before it ...
In most states, you cannot register a car without a valid driver’s license. However, there are a few exceptions to this rule. Exceptions to the RuleIf you are under 18 years old: In some states, you can register a car in your name even if you do not ...
Mazda, a Japanese automotive manufacturer with a rich history of innovation and engineering excellence, has emerged as a formidable player in the global car market. Known for its reputation of producing high-quality, fuel-efficient, and driver-oriented vehicles, Mazda has consistently garnered praise from industry experts and consumers alike. In this article, ...
Struts are an essential part of a car’s suspension system. They are responsible for supporting the weight of the car and damping the oscillations of the springs. Struts are typically made of steel or aluminum and are filled with hydraulic fluid. How Do Struts Work? Struts work by transferring the ...
Car registration is a mandatory process that all vehicle owners must complete annually. This process involves registering your car with the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and paying an associated fee. The registration process ensures that your vehicle is properly licensed and insured, and helps law enforcement and other authorities ...
Zoom is a video conferencing service that allows you to share your screen, webcam, and audio with other participants. In addition to sharing your own audio, you can also share the audio from your computer with other participants. This can be useful for playing music, sharing presentations with audio, or ...
Building your own computer can be a rewarding and cost-effective way to get a high-performance machine tailored to your specific needs. However, it also requires careful planning and execution, and one of the most important factors to consider is the time it will take. The exact time it takes to ...
Sleep mode is a power-saving state that allows your computer to quickly resume operation without having to boot up from scratch. This can be useful if you need to step away from your computer for a short period of time but don’t want to shut it down completely. There are ...
Introduction Computer-Assisted Translation (CAT) has revolutionized the field of translation by harnessing the power of technology to assist human translators in their work. This innovative approach combines specialized software with human expertise to improve the efficiency, accuracy, and consistency of translations. In this comprehensive article, we will delve into the ...
In today’s digital age, mobile devices have become an indispensable part of our daily lives. Among the vast array of portable computing options available, iPads and tablet computers stand out as two prominent contenders. While both offer similar functionalities, there are subtle yet significant differences between these two devices. This ...
A computer is an electronic device that can be programmed to carry out a set of instructions. The basic components of a computer are the processor, memory, storage, input devices, and output devices. The Processor The processor, also known as the central processing unit (CPU), is the brain of the ...
Voice Memos is a convenient app on your iPhone that allows you to quickly record and store audio snippets. These recordings can be useful for a variety of purposes, such as taking notes, capturing ideas, or recording interviews. While you can listen to your voice memos on your iPhone, you ...
Laptop screens are essential for interacting with our devices and accessing information. However, when lines appear on the screen, it can be frustrating and disrupt productivity. Understanding the underlying causes of these lines is crucial for finding effective solutions. Types of Screen Lines Horizontal lines: Also known as scan ...
Right-clicking is a common and essential computer operation that allows users to access additional options and settings. While most desktop computers have dedicated right-click buttons on their mice, laptops often do not have these buttons due to space limitations. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on how to right-click ...
Powering up and shutting down your ASUS laptop is an essential task for any laptop user. Locating the power button can sometimes be a hassle, especially if you’re new to ASUS laptops. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on where to find the power button on different ASUS laptop ...
Dell laptops are renowned for their reliability, performance, and versatility. Whether you’re a student, a professional, or just someone who needs a reliable computing device, a Dell laptop can meet your needs. However, if you’re new to Dell laptops, you may be wondering how to get started. In this comprehensive ...
Two-thirds of the country think that “New Zealand’s economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful”. They also believe that “New Zealand needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful”. These are just two of a handful of stunning new survey results released ...
In today’s digital world, screenshots have become an indispensable tool for communication and documentation. Whether you need to capture an important email, preserve a website page, or share an error message, screenshots allow you to quickly and easily preserve digital information. If you’re an Asus laptop user, there are several ...
A factory reset restores your Gateway laptop to its original factory settings, erasing all data, apps, and personalizations. This can be necessary to resolve software issues, remove viruses, or prepare your laptop for sale or transfer. Here’s a step-by-step guide on how to factory reset your Gateway laptop: Method 1: ...
“You talking about me?”The neoliberal denigration of the past was nowhere more unrelenting than in its depiction of the public service. The Post Office and the Railways were held up as being both irremediably inefficient and scandalously over-manned. Playwright Roger Hall’s “Glide Time” caricatures were presented as accurate depictions of ...
Roger Partridge writes – When the Coalition Government took office last October, it inherited a country on a precipice. With persistent inflation, decades of insipid productivity growth and crises in healthcare, education, housing and law and order, it is no exaggeration to suggest New Zealand’s first-world status was ...
Rob MacCulloch writes – In 2022, the Curriculum Centre at the Ministry of Education employed 308 staff, according to an Official Information Request. Earlier this week it was announced 202 of those staff were being cut. When you look up “The New Zealand Curriculum” on the Ministry of ...
Chris Bishop’s bill has stirred up a hornets nest of opposition. Photo: Lynn Grieveson for The KākāTL;DR: The six things that stood out to me in Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, poverty and climate from the last day included:A crescendo of opposition to the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill is ...
Monday left me brokenTuesday, I was through with hopingWednesday, my empty arms were openThursday, waiting for love, waiting for loveThe end of another week that left many of us asking WTF? What on earth has NZ gotten itself into and how on earth could people have voluntarily signed up for ...
Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.State of humanity, 20242024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?Full story Share ...
Determining the hardest sport in the world is a subjective matter, as the difficulty level can vary depending on individual abilities, physical attributes, and experience. However, based on various factors including physical demands, technical skills, mental fortitude, and overall accomplishment, here is an exploration of some of the most challenging ...
The allure of sport transcends age, culture, and geographical boundaries. It captivates hearts, ignites passions, and provides unparalleled entertainment. Behind the spectacle, however, lies a fascinating world of financial investment and expenditure. Among the vast array of competitive pursuits, one question looms large: which sport carries the hefty title of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Pōneke based peace activists staged a silent protest at the ANZAC day service to highlight New Zealand’s complicity in war and genocide, and urge the government to take concrete steps to stop the genocide in Palestine. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Magdalena M.E. Bunbury, Postdoctoral Researcher, James Cook University Burial with a horse at the Rákóczifalva site, Hungary (8th century AD).Sándor Hegedűs, Hungarian National Museum, CC BY How do we understand past societies? For centuries, our main sources of information have been ...
Amanda Thompson doesn’t really do Anzac Day. But what she does do is remember the people she knew who had a lifetime to remember stuff they didn’t really want to, because of a war they didn’t ask for. And she does make Anzac biscuits.First published in 2021.All my ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathryn Willis, Postdoctoral Researcher, CSIRO Xavier Boulenger/Shutterstock In the two decades to 2019, global plastic production doubled. By 2040, plastic manufacturing and processing could consume as much as 20% of global oil production and use up 15% of the annual carbon ...
With our collective remembrance, and steadfast belief in our common humanity, we strengthen our hope and resolve to do what we can to foster dialogue and understanding, and to heal divisions in our pursuit of peace. ...
Principal reasons for the opposition is the loss of the public’s democratic right to have “a fair say” and the vital need for a government free from corruption, said Casey Cravens of Dunedin, president of the New Zealand Federation of Freshwater ...
Never mind the scoreboard – in the 2000 Bledisloe Cup decider, the real trans-Tasman battle was won before kickoff.First published in 2016. The dawn of the new millennium was a dark time for the All Blacks. Their final game pre-Y2K was a 22-18 loss to South Africa in the ...
I’m on the wrong side of 40, I never pursued creative work and now my job is killing my soul. Help! Want Hera’s help? Email your problem to helpme@thespinoff.co.nzDear Hera,May I start with the least original conversation opener you’re likely to hear around the motu at the moment, particularly in Wellington: ...
“Never again - No AUKUS” was the message of the wreath laid at this morning’s national ANZAC Day commemorative service at Pukeahu National War Memorial Park this morning by the Stop AUKUS group. ...
Until this month, Auckland swimmer Hazel Ouwehand had never met a qualifying time in an Olympic event for a New Zealand team, even as a junior. Now she’s very likely off to the Paris Olympics after swimming well under the qualifying standard in the 100m butterfly twice – both in ...
While Anzac Day has experienced a resurgence in recent years, our other day of remembrance has slowly faded from view.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand. Original illustrations by Hope McConnell.First published in 2022.The high school’s head girl and ...
Australian and New Zealand volunteers fought together in the Waikato War, yet still its place in the Anzac tradition is unacknowledged by our defence forces or Returned Services Association.First published in 2018.When I was a boy cub I attended Anzac Day services in the South Auckland suburb of ...
A poem by Wellington writer Tayi Tibble.Hoki Mai She kisses him goodbye with her eyes still wet and alight from their last swim in the Awatere river. At the train station celebration, she leads the Kapa Haka but her voice keeps breaking under and over itself like waves. ...
A poem from Bill Manhire’s 2017 book of verse Some Things to Place in a Coffin.My World War I Poem Inside each trench, the sound of prayer. Inside each prayer, the sound of digging. Image courtesy of Auckland War Memorial Museum. ...
There are three books I have wolfed down in one sitting over the last two years. Colleen Maria Lenihan’s gorgeous and sad debut Kōhine, Noelle McCarthy’s memoir Grand about becoming her mother and then unbecoming her, and now Hine Toa, a staunch yet gentle self-portrait by living legend Ngāhuia te ...
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Asia Pacific Report Students and activist staff at Australia’s University of Sydney (USyd) have set up a Gaza solidarity encampment in support of Palestinians and similar student-led protests in the United States. The camp was pitched as mass graves, crippled hospitals, thousands of civilian deaths and the near-total destruction of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By James B. Dorey, Lecturer in Biological Sciences, University of Wollongong Australian teddy bear bees are cute and fluffy, but get a look at that massive (unbarbed) stinger! James Dorey Photography Most of us have been stung by a bee and we ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jen Roberts, Senior Lecturer, School of Humanities and Social Inquiry, University of Wollongong Aussie~mobs/FlickrVictor Farr, a private in the 1st Infantry Battalion, was among the first to land at Anzac Cove just before dawn on April 25 1915. Victor Farr ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Moore, Senior Research Associate, School of Ecosystem and Forest Sciences, The University of Melbourne Gregory Moore I had the good fortune to care for the sugar gum at The University of Melbourne’s Burnley Gardens in Victoria where I worked for ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rachel Ong ViforJ, ARC Future Fellow & Professor of Economics, Curtin University Just when we think the price of rentals could not get any worse, this week’s Rental Affordability Snapshot by Anglicare has revealed low-income Australians are facing a housing crisis like ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tracey Holmes, Professorial Fellow in Sport, University of Canberra When the news broke last weekend that 23 Chinese swimmers had tested positive to a banned drug in early 2021 and were allowed to compete at the Tokyo Olympic Games six months later ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Cally Jetta, Senior Lecturer and Academic Lead; College for First Nations, University of Southern Queensland Australian War MemorialAboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised this article contains names and images of deceased people, as well as sensitive historical information ...
RNZ News Melissa Lee has been ousted from New Zealand’s coalition cabinet and stripped of the Media portfolio, and Penny Simmonds has lost the Disability Issues portfolio in a reshuffle. Climate Change and Revenue Minister Simon Watts will take Lee’s spot in cabinet. Simmonds was a minister outside of cabinet. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Lindenmayer, Professor, Fenner School of Environment and Society, Australian National University laurello/Shutterstock Some reports and popular books, such as Bill Gammage’s Biggest Estate on Earth, have argued that extensive areas of Australia’s forests were kept open through frequent burning by ...
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Significant events in New Zealand History – South African Rugby Tour 1981
Over the last few weeks we have been catching snippets of news replays and interviews with various high profile people who were around in 1981 (including Kathryn Ryan’s interview with Kumi Naidoo) and simply cannot believe Joky Hen’s stated detachment from and disinterest in issues at the time – particularly given he was apparently at University – where issues were in your face!
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2493317/feature-guest-kumi-naidoo.asx
Yep. I am John Key’s age and was at University at the same time although at Auckland. I can tell you what I was doing during most of the games and which protests I attended (almost all).
There are two possibilities for Key’s statement:
1. He is suffering major medical problems with his memory,
2. He is lying.
Links please to back up your claims.
To back up what??
You’ve claimed “He is suffering major medical problems with his memory,”
You must have some evidence to support a major accusation like that or you wouldn’t have made a public statement.
Read my comment SS. I listed it as a possible explanation, the other one being that Key is telling fibs.
So you have absolutely nothing to support your option 1?
SS
None whatsoever. For me I think option 2 is the likely explanation, that is Key is fibbing.
Remarkable. Just making things up.
Has the English language changed overnight? I was proposing two possibilities to explain a phenomenon and you are claiming that I maintained one was true?
Tell me SS do you get paid by CT per post here or do you get a bonus for the especially inane ones?
SS,
I was living in Holland at the time (being Dutch and all) and I remember what I was thinking about NZ and the South African Rugby tour! That’s how big it was. For John not to remember is incomprehensible!
SS/Pete, it’s very simple. It stretches the imagination somewhat that a man of Key’s age has trouble remembering his stance on the events of the 1981 Springbok Tour. Even I can remember it and I was three and a half at the same time and all it looked like to me was a bunch of big blue blokes with moustaches hitting people on the telly. So I think it’s safe to conclude that Jonkey is obfuscating.
As for a serious medical problem with his memory, do you really have that flimsy a grasp of basic sarcasm or are you intentionally trying to clog up yet another thread with inane concern trolling?
Concern trolling – concerns about something that happened thirty years ago that has no relevance now?
Good trolling, SS – besides the obvious parallels regarding the RWC and Fiji, or indeed a lack of concern about free trade with nations that practise child or slave labour, the fact is that Key’s lack of memmory sums him up nicely.
He would rather claim senility than admit to having an actual opinion about some of the most notable events in NZ’s recent history.
We will get the economy to grow at 4%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEXIrKK8rI
It is inconceivable that anyone of reasonably sound mind that was around in ’81 does not recall what their opinion on the tour was, especially whilst attending a hothouse of ideas and events such as universities were in that pre ‘bums on seats’ era.
It is conceivable 30 years later though that someone i.e. Shonkey, might not want to publicly express that opinion in light of todays views on racism etc. and risk the smile and wave narrative. What a slippery character.
Hmm, what’s he hiding?
Yeah this is one that has not gone away for Key, possibly because there are still thousands of us left that personally experienced the tour. Like Micky I spent weeks at meetings, marches and police stations that winter, and know that it is just NOT possible even for those on the sidelines to not have had an opinion.
Really who cares if Shonkey had some weasel position on it, the issue is the credibility of the PM of this country.
TM
It is possible for someone not to have an opinion if the person on the ‘sidelines’ is a narcissist. Such as is John (me) K(me)y.
especially whilst attending a hothouse of ideas and events such as universities were in that pre ‘bums on seats’ era.
I doubt that Key was a thinker and debater of any seriousness when he was a student. If he was, he’s certainly changed his habits now.
To judge from his public utterances on international affairs, he reads little and thinks less.
Saw this faux pas? The ass finds it difficult to tell the difference. “Confused” was quite a polite euphemism for fkd up.
“A Government spokesperson says the prime minister confused advice about Nakarawa not being on the team list, with the list of people who are banned from travel here, including serving army officers.”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/80184/no-softening-of-nz-policy-mccully
NO new taxes read my lips
3 He didn’t care and had other more pressing things to think about – his own advancement.
Squirrel – This might help the discussion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPgK3bf9_4
Sorry to repeat myself M/S but as I have said on Standard before ,Key seems to have a drink problem. All the symtons are there .Loss of memory, the stupid grinning and hand flaping plus the flounting around and acting the fool. Just take note off the times he photographed with a drink in his hand, Helen always had fruit juice thats why she was so articulate , not like the buffon we are burdened with now.
Would votes be gained for him and his image enhanced by stating that he was anti-tour? No.
Would votes be lost and his image damaged by stating he was anti-tour? Well, his image would be damaged in the eyes of a percentage of national voters.
Would votes be gained and his image enhanced if he stated he was pro-tour? No.
Would votes be lost and his image damaged if he stated he was pro-tour? Well, his image would definately be damaged.
Let’s face it. He wasn’t anti-tour. He has indicated this quite strongly.
But if he was to state that overtly, then how would he explain his support of government policy towards Fiji?
Meanwhile, I’m willing to believe that he was essentially disinterested…neither pro nor anti…out the loop…too wrapped up in his own $$$ concerns to have the tour play a role as a ‘marker’ for memory.
And again, he can’t state that for obvious reasons of image.
So his only option, insofar as he relies on image to translate into votes is avoidance
Not sure that it’s about votes to be honest Bill. I reckon it’s about self image pure and simple.
He hates to be on the ‘wrong’ side of things, so ‘forgets’, or avoids confronting, examples of that being the case.
Other examples include not showing up for Melissa Lee on by-election night; refusing to state why Worth was forced out of parliament; his comments on mine safety. etc.
Much of his rhetorical wrigglyness is for votes, and much of it seems to be based on not really being on top of shit, but some of it, to my eyes at least, looks like cognitive dissonance working its magic.
He hates to be on the ‘wrong’ side of things, so ‘forgets’, or avoids confronting, examples of that being the case.
How much cash did Key accept from the Brethren?
No No, he ‘didn’t read the email’
Maybe he, like a number of people at the time, couldn’t care less
Yes I know the 81 tour was the pinnacle achievement for most of you and that you all like to relive your “glory days” of standing up to “the man”
But just because it was (and by the sounds of it still is) the most importent thing in your life doesn’t mean its importent to everyone
normal for doubters like you to downplay the glorious history of prior battles 🙂
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Oh no I very much know the value of history as it teachs us so much but this is just a bunch of middle age lefties reliving past glories
Its simply passing on the lessons mate, to a new generation which must do the fighting now. Anyways, haven’t you ever had a nice reminisce with old fight buddies over a few beers 🙂
Only on ANZAC day, if you keep living in the past it colours your future
chris73
Just take a little time out and listen to the radionz link posted at the top of this thread and you will, perhaps, understand just how important the events around 1981 were to the struggle within South Africa.
Not a victory for New Zealanders, but a major contribution towards a victory over oppressed peoples.
Wouldn’t it have been wonderful to hear our current PM being able to say he was proud to have been part of that movement for change, instead of expressing indifference and trying desperately to come up with an explanation for his position.
What it also exposes, of course, is the shallowness of the subsequent “apologies” from the RFU and many of its ardent supporters here in New Zealand. Hope you were too young to be involved in 1981, otherwise your comments speak volumes about you…
Wouldn’t it have been wonderful to hear our current PM being able to say he was proud to have been part of that movement for change, instead of expressing indifference and trying desperately to come up with an explanation for his position.
No, I appreciate his honesty as he could easily have said some mealy-mouthed platitude that would have pleased the middle-class and middle-aged liberals
And as for change just exactly how much better off is South Africa now?
Higher unemployment, weaker dollar, higher crime levels
Yeah change is a good thing all right
^ A Kruger-Randian superhero.
@ Nat Brown Noser 73: South Africans still have some chance at least to sort their society out via the ballot box which was not possible under the Apartheid system.
The SA democratic change unfortunately occured during the height of Reaganism and Thatcherism which made it majorly harder.
turning a distinct lack of character into something to be admired eh?
Have to agree there. No sooner than Mandela was let out he embraced neo-liberalism and privatisaton all the way.
Yes, He was a great man who never lost hope and evenutally achieived his aim, but the neo-liberalism in my mind will always seem like an asterisk to me.
Millsy,
a reading of the original ANC Freedom Charter shows clearly that it was a national liberation movement, not necessarily an anti captialist or anti US corporate movement. That is why a number of people in the NZ anti apartheid and local anti racist movement in 1981 suggested looking at the programme of the PAC (Pan African Congress) and other left groups.
The poor buggers assumed fledgeling parliamentary democracy at the worst of times when neo liberalism was at it’s height.
“No, I appreciate his honesty as he could easily have said some mealy-mouthed platitude….”
Let’s break this down:
“No, I appreciate his honesty “- ….”I can’t remember” is not an honest answer, he’s not old enough to begin losing his memory yet, it’s an evasive answer.
“as he could easily have said some mealy-mouthed platitude”- he did. and he does, over and over and over again.
What is wrong with you Chris 73 ?????
Going against the grain slightly, I’m picking that apartheid would have eventually come to an end, tour or not. Depriving over 70 percent of the population of political representation and civil rights was unsustainable.
It was important to many more people than you like to believe, Chris! (Such as my late brother who was in his teens at the time) and I…
Logie, I love Jokey hen…ultimate anagram. Well done, the f**ker doesnt deserve a monicker derived from something as benign as a chicken.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/07/rebekah-brooks-kemp-bryant
“Shut up, you homophobic cow”
An insight into the happy marriage of Rebekah Brooks and Ross Kemp.
Posted by Duncan Robinson – 08 July 2011 12:49
The Evening Standard yesterday interviewed Chris Bryant about his tireless efforts to investigate phone-hacking. This, understandably, annoyed Rebekah Brooks (nee Wade). Here’s Bryant’s version of his last meeting with Rupert Murdoch’s favourite seemingly Teflon-coated, flame-haired executive:
“She came up to me and said, ‘Oh, Mr Bryant, it’s after dark — shouldn’t you be on Clapham Common?”
“At which point Ross Kemp [the ex-EastEnders actor and her then husband] said, ‘Shut up, you homophobic cow’.”
Whether or not Kemp continued with “Leave it, you slag. He’s not worth it,” Bryant does not say.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/07/rebekah-brooks-kemp-bryant
Interesting, Morrissey!
I just found back some interesting links and thought to put them here for those of you curious about what really happened on 9/11 and how come the airspace was unprotected for more than 1.5 hours.
This is a video of Former Sen. Mark Dayton who wants to know why and how it was possible nobody was fired for the fact that the US airspace was unprotected for such a long time and he asks about the lies of the FAA and NORAD during 4 separate hearings.
This is a link to a radio presentation made by Robin Hordon who is a former FAA air traffic controller and core member of pilots for 911 truth who spells out the 50 year old protocol for dealing with in flight emergencies and hijackings which was violated four times that day.
Is Key becoming another arrogant politician? He said changing the Parliamentary oath of allegiance is not something he’s considered so it is not likely to change any time soon.
He will ignore the people and make his own decision? This is very poor from him, one of his weaknesses. He’s done this before, including jumping to rule out CGT.
He’s in danger of becoming just another politician too obsessed with his own opinion and power.
John Key pledges to not listen.
Nope, he’s always been an arrogant arse-hole obsessed with his own opinion and power.
Sounds like a Labour MP, maybe hes in the wrong party?
Nope, those are necessary pre-conditions for belonging to NAct. To belong to a leftish party requires that you do have concern for others.
More likely hes thinking theres more importent things to worry about
Yep like how to improve the spelling ability of RWNJs.
That’s such an odd thing for you to say given that ‘his own decisions’ are whatever the National focus groups like the sound of.
Further on Christchurch and the thinking on its progress and difficulties. On Chris Laidlaw this morning Radionz see below. This guy Regan Potangaroa is very clear headed, looking for a real understanding of what is needed, and sounds like a problem solver with good human values. A person to respect and listen out for when he makes comment. Also this group Engineers without Borders group sounds as if they are practical thinkers with minds open to finding solutions that work for people.
10:06 Regan Potangaroa – Engineering Change
For nearly 15 years, Dr Potangaroa has been involved in humanitarian aid and post disaster work in places such as Haiti, Sudan, Pakistan and Indonesia. More recently he has been working in Christchurch and he talks to Chris about humanitarian engineering – applying engineering principles directly to helping people hit by poverty and disaster, by providing clean drinking water, roads and houses. He also has a few things to say about building a better, fairer Christchurch, and taking care of the poorer parts of town where the most vulnerable people live.
Dr Regan Potangaroa is an Associate Professor at the School of Architecture at Unitec Auckland. He is attending this weekend’s Engineers without Borders NZ conference at Auckland University.
Interesting how Chris Laidlaw felt bound to make positive comment about Mayor Bob Parker. It is an illustration of why it is important to have informed people that aren’t in the NZ buddy loop so we can get unbiased views to help us evaluate how things are going on down here in Aotearoa.
Interesting how Chris Laidlaw felt bound to make positive comment about Mayor Bob Parker.
This is the spurious idea of “balance”. We saw it last week with Jim Mora asserting that he doesn’t want to “censor” the views of anyone—even a violent and discredited organisation like Garth McVicar’s Sensible Sentencing Trust.
But right at the end of the programme today, Laidlaw actually did something far more craven than putting in a good word for Mayor Bob. He read a ridiculous e-mail from someone who was affronted by the popular and media backlash against the saintly Rupert Murdoch. “What about Nicky Hager? He hacked into the National Party’s computers….”
Now, Chris Laidlaw is not stupid. He knows perfectly well that Hager did no such thing, and that he was leaked the information from a contact in
Bill English’s officethe National Party. The police found that there was no evidence at all of computer-hacking. Other than witless dupes like the fellow who sent Laidlaw that e-mail, the only people who say there was hacking are John Key and Don Brash, both of them notorious liars and both of them outed in Hager’s book for their secret deals with the Brethren.Yet Laidlaw still read out that letter. Once again, in case you’re horrified and mystified, it’s called “balance”.
It was the smiling assassin who had the most to gain he would have had to wait years to get another chance by then his good looks would be gone get it right.
This thing about press freedoms and competition and unfettered debate is what we hear argued for when talking about the dangers of government regulation.
So what happens – one megalomaniac tries to buy up all the newspapers and achieve a monopoly.
Then the press freedom is used to print whatever they want in a way that appeals to the most punters, no matter how it injures the subject and using whatever sleazy and unlawful means as with the phone hacking.
‘Unfettered debate’ has to be carried on under the shadow of this sort of power and so some things are left unsaid if unwanted by the now media empire.
The editors can be said to be completely free to publish without control from above, if the right person is appointed, at the right price. Then the puppet strings can be completely unnecessary or unseen.
And then there is the peculiar result of this mendacious media adopting a witch-hunting puritanical stance on sexual matters with an entirely salacious and voyeuristic zeal. They rightly say they are encouraged to do so by a public envious of those better endowed at all levels, who delight in the second-hand thrill of the ‘revelations’. When questioned one of the newspaper operatives questioned by Hugh Grant about this replied that he should have kept his in his pants. A lot of sniggers from behind. Of course the point that people’s private life should remain so, unless they do it in the street (or breach the noise controls) was bypassed in that discussion. (I think I heard the comment on today’s Mediawatch which can be played again and is also repeated at night).
NYT: The Journal Becomes Fox-ified.
It took Rupert Murdoch only three and a half years to get there, starting with the moment he acquired the paper from the dysfunctional Bancroft family in December 2007, a purchase that was completed after he vowed to protect The Journal’s editorial integrity and agreed to a (toothless) board that was supposed to make sure he kept that promise.
Fat chance of that. Within five months, Murdoch had fired the editor and installed his close friend Robert Thomson, fresh from a stint Fox-ifying The Times of London. The new publisher was Leslie Hinton, former boss of the division that published Murdoch’s British newspapers, including The News of the World.
Chin up, America.China ain’t so great.
With 64 million of these apartments sitting empty, too expensive for most Chinese to rent – artificially inflated prices keep “value” up high, which is also helpful on the spreadsheets – they’ve created the largest property bubble in history. The tiger’s paper is wearing thin.
There’s a you tube video at the link that shows these empty cities.
NB those empty cities are going to come in damn handy in 10-15 years time. I’m also betting that they are all being maintained, grass cut and windows cleaned, even as they are essentially deserted.
Oh fuck
This doesnt look good.
What the fuck are Labour doing.
What the fuck are Labour doing.
Presenting a coherent economic policy which may or may not impress those in the know but may not work on the general population.
The numbers are coarse but it seems Labour lost 7, and the Greens gained 5.
Not a good result but Labour/Green are still in it and need to raise their support.
And it is too early to be taken as evidence that the population may not like the CGT. These sorts of policies need to percolate through and the effects may take a while to appear.
Why include Mana in the equation? Mana won’t be in any Govt. any time soon.
Who gives a fuck? Off shore events with PIIGS and Tea Parties are going to send the world economy bust before thhe election, even if Shonkers wins he will be in the hot seat (plus his cash holdings will go up in flames as the banks fail).
millsy, it’s not Labour’s fault that Joe and Mary Bloggs are as thick as two short planks. Nor is it their fault J&M are politically ignorant, and take 6 months to figure out what the politically savvy can recognise in 24 hrs. My biggest fear is that Labour have left it too late to reveal their tax policies. I’m not convinced J&M will have it sorted by Nov. 26.
Hoping like hell that I’m wrong!
Ok, what I’m trying to say is a less than diplomatic version of ms at 6:32pm.
Hell, they probably havn’t worked out what CGT stands for yet. 😀
Meh the poll numbers are exactly what you would expect from phoning houses in Epsom, Remuera, Ponsonby, Takapuna, Helensville and Davenport.
Guyon Espiner’s party political broadcast on behalf of National on Thursday night TVNZ news must have helped this poll.
He said at the end of his report on Labour’s CGT announcement (where until then he had given the report in a reasonably soothing, unbiased way) that it had flaws and it would not be enough to woo national/swing voters away from national and that even some Labour voters would be lost because of it.
I rang to complain of his biased presentation, and said that I hoped this was not the beginning of the bias that I noticed from Espiner last election, where I considered that Espiner and his acolytes at TVNZ working wiith John Key and Rodney Hide were almost the sole reason there was a national victory in 2008.
I think such MSM spinners (or should I say ‘espinners’) should be outed and put in “dock’ or Murkdoch’ on the Standard everytime we see them spin for their preferred party during this election. A journalists ‘wall of shame’ where they fail to report the facts in a professionally ethical, fair,unbiased, objective manner, as they should.
It is remarkable that this poll reflects Guyon Espiner’s very ‘prophecy’. What a capable political reporter he is!?!
PS From election 08 coverage recognised the following as Nact Supporters ( I was not in the ‘know’ before): C&G Espiner, Duncan Garner and his side kick Scott somebody and possibly Tsai Tiffin, Barry Soper, Heather du Plessis Allen ,Therese Arseneau, Paul Holmes, Clare Trevett and most reporters at the Herald, particularly the Gallery. Wendy Petrie looks like she is joining this mob too from her tone and facial expreessions whist reporting on Labour’s Tax policy last Thursday. Although not a journalist, but now has a ‘column’ in the Herald, “philanthropist”Owen Glenn (mind you his actoid views do not lie well with said description of him).
I don’t mind comment or opinion when I know accurately what people stand for, but when they abuse what should be a neutral position to spin their own views, thereby subtly influencing public opinion, then it becomes propaganda and should be stamped out.
Wendy Petrie looks like she is joining this mob too from her tone and facial expreessions whist reporting on Labour’s Tax policy last Thursday.
Yes, I spotted that too seeker. In fact it’s happened several times in recent weeks. I spend more time at TV3 news because of it. TV3’s coverage on Thursday evening was fairer and more balanced than TV1. I commented to that effect here on Friday.
Btw, it’s far better to write a formal letter of complaint. Phone calls don’t even reach the right people. They’re just ignored. Worked in TV many years ago and that’s what used to happen. It won’t have changed.
Usual response to appalling poll results from the left, I see. The people are stupid. The media is against us.
Good luck with that.
And you were all so happy with yourselves this morning.
The people are stupid
Yeah… well, you’re probably one of them mate so can understand why you don’t like it.
Have you just taunted me by calling me a person?
I commented to that effect here on Friday.
ooops… no I didn’t. It was Red Alert.
Thanks Ann .I spotted your comment on Friday on Red Alert and was so pleased that someone had done just what you did. I just didn’t have time then. This type of thing really needs to be outed if we are not to be manipulated by unprofessional journalists and corporations – as Britain was for over 30years.
hear..hear.
Trouble is, the political parties seem to think they have to court the media instead of standing up to them. I was glad to see Cunliffe put Espinor in his place this morning. Goff is inclined to be too polite with him.
27%………………… bahahahahahahahah
The reality is, as pointed out on the Q&A – Kiwi workers will be looking at being up to 100 bucks a week off better under labour. With min wage, tax free zone, gst exemption off fruit and veg. The fact that the f*king stupid general public still dont get that John Key is selling their future, and their childrens future despite it being hammered out to them. In our household, its not through lack of sound and great labour policy, hate to say, but its Phil Goff. He is now too academic now to reach out to the working class – they arent listening. Cunliffe destroyed Espinar today – we hardly ever see politicians who have interviewers look as worried as that. He is RAZOR sharp, but warm and accessible…
Ok so Steven Joyce has “put Labour’s numbers through the Treasury calculator” and the REAL numbers show that (as reported by Farrar)
Thanks Stevie for clearing that up!
So I gather thats the same treasury calculator that tell us there are 170,000 jobs coming our way shortly?
Labours own numbers shower that the package became neutral in 7 years, the Nats claim its more like 12 years.
Labour did “forget” to add in intrest costs and did “assume” they could magically save $300 mil/yr in avoidance when the oppisite is logical.
10 years is propably close to the truth.
Bullshit mate, English’s numbers haven’t added up for the last 3 years, for instance where is last years promised 170,000 new jobs.
You can’t be so gullible as to believe even more made up numbers from them.
So Steven Joyce is using Govt depts for his own political ends pity they haven,t done the figures on the loss of income from asset sales as well . When you have an organization like treasury putting out stupid figures saying their are going to be a 170,000 new jobs in three years.You know their just making up stories for their neo liberal hero idols . The facts and the history don,t support this.National has been barely able to grow 30,000 new sustained jobs in 22years in govt since 1976 so nothing changes except that they have better spin doctors and a more subservant media which Joyce uses his connections with the radio works to push key the nice guy for free at every opportunity.
Micky say … “These sorts of policies need to percolate through and the effects may take a while to appear.”
So you predict a further 5% drop next poll?
I’m supprised Mickey, CV et al are not trotting out the line it is another rogue poll (number 39 in a row).
Come now, if JonKY and Blinglish actually believed these numbers were real, they would already have sold KiwiBank.
Who are you penguin’s pal and why should we treat anything you say with respect?
He could be a potential Labour voter micky, but no doubt you’ll jump to a conclusion and send him/her packing if you can. Can’t risk someone sneaking on board.
Nah not worth converting/saving/convincing the Right. Waste of effort.
Turning out the Left’s core support is where it is at.
From DPF..
» National – 53% (+1)
» Labour – 27% (-7)
» Greens – 10% (+4)
» Maori – 3% (+1.4)
» ACT – 3.1% (+0.6)
» NZ First – 2.4% (+0.8)
» United Future – 0.3%
» Mana – 0.5% (-0.4)
UNDECIDED 14-16% thanks dc
Trev will be on the phone to NY headquarters, Goff gone by Tuesday.
Back to the old leadership chestnut? Haha politics of envy and greed not doing it for you eh?
CV Goff only polled 9% and Labour 27%, so I assume 2/3rds of Labour supporters think hes not up to it. Like I said Goff gone by Tuesday.
You guys really are out of ideas.
Goff/Cunliffe/Parker is a combo up against Key/English/Brownlee that I will bet on any time mate lol
Cunliffe was in great form against Espiner this morning on Q & A
Espiner was getting in a real flap-made my day
Maybe Kiwis need and deserve 3 more years of NAct
Then there will be alot bleating
I think these polls are rigged
I know of Noone whom i know e ver being rung
but then they dont live in snob areas
Shame Cunliffe’s not the leader then – oooops
No, they will keep Goff – the plan was always to sacrifice him at this election. No matter how bad it gets they will keep him until after the election. It always takes a long time to rebuild after a party that has been controlled by a very dominant figure that polarised people, such as Muldoon or Clark – look how long it took for National to get themselves back into fully functional form following Muldoon’s demise, despite the incompetence of Labour during the 80s – it will be the same for Labour.
Prime Minister Phil Goff 🙂
Man you guys are all out of ammo already, recycling old memes from Q1 haha
Um, I think Phil’s the one being recycled…
I have two words for you:
Darth Brash
Ha – it might surprise you to know that I consider Brash an idiot – a Polite idiot tho’, as opposed to Mrs Harawira’s little boy who is simply a Rude idiot.
But my point is solid regarding Goff – he is just (and justly) cannon fodder while Cunliffe and Little complete their backroom manoueveurs.
Meh more recycled talking points. Meanwhile, Key is already one foot out the door, English has to be sweet talked to give the top position over to Joyce and he won’t like that one bit.
MR BURNS
Pp bet you $1000 Goff stays until the election. do you accept?
Micky, I’ll bet you $1000 that Labour is not in government after the election.
Do you accept?
I thought someone like you would have said lunch time. But as they say a week in politics is a long time if the economy keeps dragging along the bottom Europe or the US crashes and or the All Blacks loose.Maybe a Murdoch moment happens here don,t count your chooks before they hatch they might just come home to roost just like a large Deb,t .Aye happy feet!
Meh
Colmar Brunton Poll August 2011.
Leading news today Labour up FOUR POINTS. Voters have reacted positively to Capital Gains Tax with National falling dramatically five points. The greens have fallen back to 8% and Winston Peters is in great shape up 0.1%. National will be very concerned about these numbers. Just last month we reported on a dramatic 7 percentage point fall for Labour and now they’re looking better.
Gingercrush:
In your dreams.
Hardly my dream. Just can’t get excited about a poll that will rebalance itself next time.