Open mike 17/09/2011

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  1. toad 1

    Labour cozying up to Nats to further gut Emissions Trading Scheme:

    Although Labour believes National’s approach to industrial emissions is imperfect, we are willing to go along with it due to the desirability of settling across both main parties.

    Disgraceful.

    • Settling across the two biggest parties representing most people sounds like a sensible idea to me.

      Do you think a small minority should dictate what should happen?

      • toad 1.1.1

        Do you think a majority support increased government subsidies to polluters?

        • Pete George 1.1.1.1

          I can’t see anything about subsidies to polluters. The TV3 article leads with:

          “The Government’s going to reduce the cost to consumers of the Emissions Trading Scheme.”

          Is that what you don’t like?

          • toad 1.1.1.1.1

            The reduction in the cost to consumers will mean an increase in the cost to taxpayers. Someone has to pay.

            • Pete George 1.1.1.1.1.1

              And an increase in costs to businesses would result in an increase in costs to consumers too. Someone has to pay.

              • Lanthanide

                “Someone has to pay.”

                Yes, and the whole point of the ETS is that the polluting businesses pay. Clearly they largely pass this on to their customers, but some will come out of their profits too. Anyway, it means higher prices on the shelf, which opens them up to competition – if their competitor can produce similar products but with significantly less pollution, then they can charge a lower price and grab the market share, eventually pushing the polluting company out of business if they don’t adapt.

                If you simply give the polluters a free ride and put the cost on the tax payer, then the businesses have no incentive to reduce their pollution, and yet the end-consumer still ends up paying (via their tax dollars being flushed down the toilet paying polluters, instead of put too good use building hospitals and schools etc).

                Thus voiding the whole point of the exercise in the first place.

              • Mutante

                Tell you what Pete, we’ll just ditch the necessary for the “sensible” and when the sea is lapping at our doors we’ll use your tedious gob as a bailing bucket.

          • mik e 1.1.1.1.2

            No wonder your party is supporting the borrow and hope no one pays now joke.$76billion you and your political yes man wig worm is conning the public .$4.7 billion in interest payments per year no we are not increasing the cost to the public absolute BS propaganda.This road NatUactmaori coalition is going to end up like Greece not the same type that the wigworm uses for his hair or to slide around on.

      • mikesh 1.1.2

        “Do you think a small minority should dictate what should happen?”

        This is beside the point. The question is whether the the Labour party should have supported the ETS given its imperfections. Was cross-party agreement really necessary on this issue?

      • AAMC 1.1.3

        “Do you think a small minority should dictate what should happen?”

        I thought that defined the modern age, are you suggesting a small minority don’t dictate what happens PG?

        http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

      • Draco T Bastard 1.1.4

        Settling across the two biggest parties representing most people sounds like a sensible idea to me.

        When a radical solution is required compromising upon that solution is not sensible or desirable.

  2. logie97 2

    During the anthems at RWC last night, there were 23 in the line up. Notice the camera carefully panned to avoid the 23rd singing the reo version and appeared to be perfectly managed to reach him as they sang the line “God defend New Zealand”. Nice one guys except I understood that he is a non believer …

    • marsman 2.1

      Maybe he was just giving us a warning. What was he doing in the line-up anyway, oh of course, photo-op.

      • Carol 2.1.1

        It sickened me to see that slippery pretender lining up in black beside the ABs for the anthem. Was it to do with the dedication of the match to the losses from the quakes in Christchurch and Japan? Or is it set to be a fixture of the AB ppearnaces at the RWC?

        But Shonkey as AB annabe (unable to sing Te Reo version of the anthem) is weakening my support of the ABs. I ended up only watching a bit of the match as it was looking early on to be a walk-over anyway. And I no longer am keen to see the ABs in all their games. So now I’m considering supporting any opponents to the AB – especially if the Great Pretender continues to hijack ABs’ appearances for electioneering photo ops.

        • higherstandard 2.1.1.1

          So to precis your comment………. ‘wah wah wah I hate John Key I’m spitting my dummy.’

          It was a sign of respect in relation to those lost and injured in the earthquakes that a NZ and japanese dignitary were on the field during the minutes silence and National anthems.

          • Carol 2.1.1.1.1

            No, HS, it’s more like the last straw. I’m already getting sick of the hype around the ABs – I have always liked watching them play in the past, but I enjoy the games not the extraneous over-donre hype.

            And I’m already getting sick of the way Shonkey is using the ABs and RWC for the photo ops with the up-coming election in mind. e.g. the embarrassing presentation of black jerseys to the leaders at the Pacific Forum, the nationalistic sledging of Julia Gillard, ministers behaving like bad-mannered, boorish macho rugby spectators, and, above all, JK being there smiling and waving for the successes and taking no responsibility for failures: e.g saying in advance that people will eat their criticisms of the Cloud, then being nowhere to be sen with the opening night failures.

            By the way, I was bemused by Hawaiian JK’s visible attendance at the USA vs Russia match – where does his allegiance really lie? I enjoyed that match – closely fought, absorbing.

            PS: I’m prepared to give the benefit of the doubt that last night’s JK singing photo op was to do with quake remembrance – as I indicated in my first comment above (albeit while being slightly opportunistic), but I hope it won’t become a feature of all ABs’ games that JK, slips into photo op mode.

            • higherstandard 2.1.1.1.1.1

              “By the way, I was bemused by Hawaiian JK’s visible attendance at the USA vs Russia match – where does his allegiance really lie? I enjoyed that match – closely fought, absorbing.”

              The russian deputy PM was here for trade talks … I expect that was a good enough reason for the NZ PM to front and host him.

              http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/key-and-zhukov-talk-trade-watch-rugby-4404678

              I’m not arguing whether or not Key is a dick but you need to take your blinkers off and imagine someone else in his place at these events to test whether it is reasonable before screeching your outrage.

              • Carol

                Yes, I have imagined others… I imagined other NZ PMs would have been in the stands, or more to the side of the ABs …. proceedings rather than lining up like a 23rd AB.

                “Screeching”? Really? Sounds like quite an emotive judgment…. emotive language that doesn’t match my sentiments.

                Trade delegation? Hmmm… so we should expect JK at a lot of other countries matches?

              • gobsmacked

                @Higher Standard

                I have no problem at all with the Prime Minister – any Prime Minister – showing respect at a minute’s silence for those who were lost. That’s entirely appropriate.

                But that’s not what happened, is it?

                Just before the minute’s silence, Key and Mori (from Japan) are introduced. So what does Key do?

                He smiles, and he waves. Yes, literally. No need to take my word for it, just watch the footage.

                It was supposed to be a moment of reflection, of remembrance. That’s what it should have been. But Key tries to turn it into something else.

                You ask that we “‘imagine someone else in his place at these events”. Fair call. That’s always the basic test of objectivity – put somebody else in his shoes.

                So, imagine Obama at a 9/11 memorial. Imagine any leader. Clark, or Bolger, or anyone you care to name. Imagine a right-wing bastard like John Howard, if you want.

                See any waving to the crowd? At a minute’s silence? Answer: never. They never have, and they never would.

                Key’s behaviour was crass and shameless, and we should be ashamed.

                • Joe Bloggs

                  OMG,

                  John Key smiled and waved to a crowd that cheered him when he walked onto the field – how crass and shameless is that?

                  Not at all … must be a slow news day…

                  • gobsmacked

                    So why was he walking onto the field, Joe Bloggs?

                    What was the ostensible reason for him – and his Japanese guest – being there?

                    Think about it.

                    • Joe Bloggs

                      FFS…

                      if he wasn’t there, you’d probably be flagellating Key for not visibly paying his respects to the tragedies in Christchurch and Japan.

                      if he was there but didn’t acknowledge the crowds, you’d probably be flagellating Key for being aloof.

                      Key WAS there, the crowds CHEERED him, he ACKNOWLEDGED their greeting..It’s called the human face of politics. Get over it.

          • freedom 2.1.1.1.2

            so if the idea was meant to be, that joining the players was a sign of respect for the victims of the disasters, why did The PM not express proper respect ( or even basic manners) by waiting for the Japanese official to be in position before proceedings got underway?

            The Japanese official was forced to run behind the staging area to get into his position as the Anthems begun and John Key had already slithered into position beside the AB’s

            • Tigger 2.1.1.1.2.1

              Key politicized the All Blacks in this election period. It was creepy and pathetic.

            • Tigger 2.1.1.1.2.2

              Key politicized the All Blacks in this election period. It was a total WTF moment. And not knowing the anthem was comedy gold. And john, no about of standing with burly rugby players will ever make up for your mincing catwal faux pas.

            • Tigger 2.1.1.1.2.3

              Key politicized the All Blacks in this election period. It was a total WTF moment. And not knowing the anthem was comedy gold. There was no reason for him to be with the team. No reason. And john, no about of standing with burly rugby players will ever make up for your mincing catwal faux pas.

  3. Janice 3

    I heard four calls to remove more of our legal rights yesterday.
    The first was the police calling for legislation confirming their “right” to conduct covert surveillance on private property after the Supreme Court refused their use of “evidence” gathered that way in the “Tuhoe Terrorist” raids.
    The second was the use of the Guthrie blood samples for research; it didn’t say whether it would be limited to medical research or used by law enforcement research. I understand these samples have been taken from all babies born in hospitals since the early ‘60s. (Another reason for home births?)
    The third was Steven Joyce’s cancelling the consent process for Transmission Gully to cut down on submissions, which would only “hold up the process” so they would be ignored anyway. This is another of his highways of national significance.
    The fourth was Simple Simon’s changes to the law (I can’t remember the actual name) act. He has made some minor changes and has now got support for things like limiting jury trials and removing the right to silence among no doubt others that we will only hear about when the legislation is tabled under urgency next week, as he hasn’t got much time to get it through before Parliament winds up. I wonder if in the negotiations pressure was put on ACT over Epsom and PD in Oharia to get them to finally agree to the changes.
    Is it a coincidence that all these were released on a Friday when the focus was on the RWC.
    They also now know that they can use their special legislation for Cerra and the RWC, so watch for more of this “crisis” legislation if they get in after the election.

    • freedom 3.1

      Amongst the new Police State decrees is a recent bylaw Auckland has passed banning the distribtuion of political or other special interest material in a public space. There are people looking at how this happened and most importantly WHY? They have no answers as yet due to numerous people refusing to answer questions or forward requested information. There is no clear description of how free newspapers or election material are exempt but it appears to be Authority blatantly silencing dissent, and restricting the ability of ‘free’ people to educate each other.

      It is just one more act in the ongoing tragedy we are performing as an ensemble cast of four million. The Death of Democracy, a three year tale of corruption, deceipt, avarice and hate.

      No newspaper in NZ (that i am aware of) has had the balls to touch the story either !

  4. tsmithfield 4

    In the last article here on the Roy Morgan poll it was argued that because there was little change it suggested that voters weren’t taking much notice.

    Does the latest result suggest that voters now are starting to take notice, and that it is bad news for Labour, especially this close to the election.

  5. Jimmie 5

    Hmmmm is the phrase ‘Roy Morgan Poll’ a banned phrase on here yet? Shouldn’t you guys spend a bit more time working out strategy and plans to help Labour increase national support in the coming election – or have you given up?

    I reckon the day Labour become the government again will be the day when its own supporters are more critical of their own MP’s than the Nats are. It doesn’t happen at the moment and ya all are slowly dying the death of 1000 polls. What does it take to wake die hard Labourites up? 20% come November? Wakey wakey otherwise you will end up like Japan on last nights scoreboard -very painful.

    • Carol 5.1

      Which guys are you referring to? This is not a Labour blog, and there has often been criticism of Labour here… look up to the first posts on this Open Mike thread for instance.

  6. interesting 6

    Latest Roy Morgan results are interesting….

    http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2011/4700/

    The latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows support for Prime Minister John Key’s National-led Government is virtually unchanged at 61.5% (up 5.5%). Support for Key’s National Party is 57% (up 5% – the highest since October 2009), ACT NZ 1.5% (down 0.5%), the Maori Party 2.5% (up 1%), and United Future 0.5% (unchanged).

    Support for Opposition Parties is at 38.5% (down 5.5%) — Labour Party 26% (down 3.5% – the lowest since March 2009), Greens 7.5% (down 1.5%), New Zealand First 3.5% (unchanged), Mana Party 1% (unchanged) and Others 0.5% (down 0.5%).

    This was taken for another two days after the opening night fiasco….and yet it doesn’t seem to have altered the result…..yet

    • Lanthanide 6.1

      “This was taken for another two days after the opening night fiasco….and yet it doesn’t seem to have altered the result…..yet”

      Because very little polling is actually done in the last couple of days.

      They have demographic quotas they have to reach like most market research does. Ever had someone ring up and ask how old you were and then said “sorry we don’t need you for our research”?

      The last couple of days of phone polling are to fill in the small demographic niches they have remaining so that they can say they have a statistically valid sample of the population.

    • kriswgtn 6.2

      sooner or later the left will win again and then its open season on you and ur bitch trolls

      go away and lick farrars balls
      you bore me with ur continuous boring trolling

      • Colonial Viper 6.2.1

        The thing is, when the left is back in power they need to introduce a massive agenda of change for the country, not pussyfoot around trying to be a centrist 95% continuation of capitalist free market policies.

        • AAMC 6.2.1.1

          +1

          Abandon the focus group, lead!

          • freedom 6.2.1.1.1

            line up the focus groups, the lobbyists, in fact grab every single one of the wastrels that sit in the house week in week out. Put them against the wall and charge people a buck a shot for thirty seconds with a paintball gun.

            People get frustration out, art is created and the country’s debt is paid off in a week.

  7. kriswgtn 7

    have a gander

    tis frakin funny

  8. gingercrush 8

    I really don’t like Labour’s billboards. What happened to their simple two tick bill boards from 1999-2005. The current ones seem so individualised and far too focused on the electorate vote.

  9. A followup after some thought and feedback on the Maori flag flap.

    The flap about the NEV school flag flying was odd as the complaint was about the Maori flag flying amongst other flags. The complainer was implying there should be only one flag – the onbe of his choice.

    This isn’t a Maori problem, it’s a problem for all cultures, and an issue of free speech.

    • so do you agree with the contents of the email he sent?

      if it’s not a Māori issue why did he moan just about the tino rangatiratanga flag and send that email?

      • Pete George 9.1.1

        I don’t agree with his email. He seems like he only wanty’s “his” flag flown so the kids don’t get confused. I think he’s confused.

        However I think he represents quite a common point of view. It’s probably based more on superficial perception rather than any thought. I wonder what he thinks of all the Argentinian and English and Georgian and Italian and Irish flags being flown around Dunedin at the moment.

  10. RedBaron 10

    I can’t see Key being in a lengthy TV shot by himself from now on where the rugby is concerned. Don’t forget there are big screens all over the country and if he was booed in Auckland when he spoke then I don’t imagine the minders will want that spreading. It validates the number of people who don’t like him, reassures them they are not alone and influences others.

    I predict all rugby shots from now on will have him attached to an All Black as the crowd would then feel disloyal to the AB’s if they booed.

  11. Joe Bloggs 11

    .
    Now that more details have been revealed about the dropping of charges against the Urewera 18, it appears that the guest post on The Standard was a little hasty in assigning fault to the police.

    It now appears that there were no “trumped up” charges and there was plenty of evidence – just an issue of admissibility because evidence was “covertly” collected.

    On the face of it, there certainly seems to be a case to be made:
    – evidence gathered over two years of military-style training camps and training activities
    – organised criminal behaviour
    – possession of numerous firearms, including sawn-off rifles and sawn-off shotguns, semi-automatic rifles, and an “AK47-style weapon”
    – training in use of, and possession of, molotov cocktails
    – &c.

    Resulting in charges that members of the group would have committed violent offences including murder, arson, intentional damage, endangering transport, wounding with intent, injuring with intent, aggravated wounding, discharging a firearm or doing a dangerous act with intent, using a firearm against police, committing a crime with a firearm and kidnapping.

    To be sure the police are not blameless – they went onto the land after getting search warrants and installed motion-sensor cameras. Now a High Court ruling has found that putting the cameras on private land was illegal.

    To criticise the police for this may be fair enough – but this “disallowed” evidence is compelling eough to warrant a little more respect for the Crown’s case against the remaining four accused, and a little less premature criticism of the police for taking action against the accused.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.1

      Why are people so upset about the AK47? Why don’t you use M-16 style weapon instead (they’re both assault rifles)?

      IMO, it has to do with increasing peoples fear and, amazingly enough, bringing back the Red Scare fear of commun1sm from the 1950s.

      So, tell me Joe, why are you scared of people?

      • Joe Bloggs 11.1.1

        Sorry Draco to burst your little bubble about self-obsession but I wasn’t talking about me.

        The comments adress the reason why cases were dropped against some of the Urewera 18 and how the dropping of charges appears to have had nothing to do with the quality of evidence against those accused – and everything to do with the way the evidence was collected.

        In other words, the charges against the Urewera 18 appear to have some significant substance in reality.

        So, tell me Draco, why do you find that so threatening?

        • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1.1

          …but I wasn’t talking about me.

          Yes you were. You were talking about your fear of other people having power and not supporting the way things are, the legal theft that is capitalism.

          • Lanthanide 11.1.1.1.1

            Sorry, can you please quote the parts of his post where he was “talking about your fear of other people having power and not supporting the way things are”, because I must have missed them.

            Just re-read his post 3 times and couldn’t see them at all.

          • Joe Bloggs 11.1.1.1.2

            .
            WHAT??????????????????

            Pathetic – now I’m talking about you Draco

    • Lanthanide 11.2

      My boyfriend made pretty much the same observations.

      These people are acting as if the charges being dropped against them somehow proves that they were doing nothing wrong.

      No, not really, what is says is that the police pressed charges in the first place because they did have evidence that they were doing something wrong. The police just collected the evidence in an illegal fashion and so weren’t allowed to use it.

      • Joe Bloggs 11.2.1

        .
        John Pagani comes to a similar conclusion…

        … and adds Too many people have been far too quick ignore the seriousness of what’s at stake here. Just imagine if the variety of ethnic nationalism at issue was the type preached by the Norwegian monster

    • Bill 11.3

      Quite willing to be corrected if I am wrong. But, is there any first hand source saying that the only reason charges were dropped was because of the way evidence was collected?

      Or is merely a reason. Because if it’s only areason and not the sole reason, then basically all that is happening is that the authorities are ‘saving face’ while leaving them free to cast aspersions on the integrity of the people they dropped the charges on.

      Now the authorities (if my assumption is correct) can mislead the media (assuming a separation there, just for a moment) and the public with an avalanche of innuendo and bullshit.

      eg “We charged (whoever) on sheep shagging offences. We collected the info illegally and are dropping charges.” is entirely different to “We charged (whoever) on sheep shagging offences. We have to drop the charges, for the sole reason that we collected the info illegally”

      In the first example, other possible reasons for dopping the charges include that the person simply wasn’t shagging sheep.

      • McFlock 11.3.1

        The admissability of the evidence has been tested. The quality of that evidence has not.
          
        But if you consider that someone feels justified or just arrogant enough to ride roughshod over rules of evidence without getting so much as a legal opinion for advice, I wonder about their interpretation of any evidence they gathered. It’ll all come out in the wash, one way or another I guess.

    • Bill 11.4

      @ Joe Bloggs

      – evidence gathered over two years of military-style training camps and training activities.

      It could be argued that the Boys Brigade and the Cadets (or whatever they call those young nippers dressed up in army gear these days) are involved in ‘military-style training camps’. Define a ‘military-style training camp’, would you? Such a reference could be pertaining to nothing more than a particular command and control structure. Just because images of Al Qaeda training camps are all the rage in the popular imagination these days, doesn’t mean that ‘miltary style training camps’ need satisfy that image to be reasonably labelled as ‘military style training camps’. Have the authorities provided thorough details; the details that led them to use that desciption? Or are they merely being provocative and relying on the public to fill in the desirable blanks?

      – organised criminal behaviour

      That could be almost anything, from growing a bit of dak or two people collaborating in chainsawing a tree that wasn’t theirs to indulging in a bit illegal hunting (no liscense, poaching or whatever).

      – possession of numerous firearms, including sawn-off rifles and sawn-off shotguns, semi-automatic rifles, and an “AK47-style weapon”

      Aren’t firearms common place in NZ? These people were in the bush. How many people go into the bush with firearms? A fair few. If the desciptions are accurate then, yes. It would seem that some illegal firearms were in someone’s possession.

      – training in use of, and possession of, molotov cocktails

      Training in the use of molotov cocktails? Really!? What is there to train on? For two years!!? And is it a crime to partially fill a bottle with petrol, light a soaked rag and throw it…out in the middle of nowhere? I guess if there’s a fire ban or something it might be.

      And this wouldn’t be the first time that a (non-regulatuion) petrol container with a stopper in it has become, in the eyes of the police, a molotov cocktail. Reality being it was a container with petrol that was being used in reasonable ways in reasonable circumstances.

      Anyway. Don’t misconstue what I’m saying. I’m not claiming to know what was what. But don’t you think it reasonable to ask questions rather than jump to the previously drip fed conclusions of the authorities?

  12. Di 12

    Does anyone know whether NZ will be supporting the recognition of the state of Palestine in the UN Vote?

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Key will have NZ vote whichever way the US recommends us to.

    • rosy 12.2

      I think the Foreign Affairs Minister is otherwise engaged… but yeah, we’ll go with the Americans. Obama campaigned on a 2-state solution and now they’re saying no, I can’t think that’s a good move at all.

      I see the Europeans are split on this – it’ll be the end of the goodwill created by the Arab Spring if the vote against it IMO.

    • Bill 12.3

      The US is going to veto. We know that already.

      So NZ could vote for a Palestinian state and it wouldn’t matter.

      Johnny Boy being the good boy that he is will probably direct for an abstention from NZ. Wouldn’t want to upset the master now, would he? Give that arse cheek a little peck and apologise in private for not going the whole head up the arse hog this time around, and promise to do better in future.

      • rosy 12.3.1

        It appears there are 2 separate means of requesting – one is full statehood at the Security Council, which the US will veto. Does NZ has a role at all in that?

        The second,is to take the request to the full assembly, this will give enhanced observer status, not full. But they should win that hands down.

        Anyway, it looks like the Palestinians have decided on the Security Council route first.

  13. joe90 13

    …sigh..Palestine’s ambassador to Lebanon: Palestinian refugees will not become citizens of a new Palestinian state.

    The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. “They are Palestinians, that’s their identity,” he says. “But … they are not automatically citizens.”

    This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that “even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens.”

    Abdullah said that the new Palestinian state would “absolutely not” be issuing Palestinian passports to refugees.

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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    3 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    4 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    5 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    6 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    7 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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