Open mike 18/08/2014

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206 comments on “Open mike 18/08/2014”

  1. crocodill 1

    If ability was the deciding factor, the small but perfectly formed Metiria Turei and her slightly built co-leader would hold the next prime ministership of NZ.

    Over the weekend they catapulted themselves boldly into the political ring, aiming high and hitting hard with a welfare policy designed to address child poverty. The media took a solid left to the bread basket and exclaimed loudly, “Eeek, they want to tax the rich!”

    Meanwhile, tireless volunteers pressed the flesh, chewed the fat and handed out far too many red balloons at markets across Auckland – markets that ask quite a hefty fee from political parties.

    Supporting this effort, from a bunker I imagine is deep within a labyrinth of lava tunnels under Mt. Albert, the Labour leadership faxed in their welfare policy… for battery chickens.

    There is the growing suspicion from this observer that the metaphorical powder left over from a Labour leader who used a teaspoonful to take pot-shots at sickness beneficiaries, a powder that must be keep dry at all costs, isn’t black at all and they’ve begun to snort it.

  2. Paul 2

    Lisa Owen
    Brilliant interview with Cameron Slater
    http://www.tv3.co.nz/tabid/3692/MCat/2910/Default.aspx

  3. ScottGN 3

    Key is totally floundering on Morning Report.

    • Saarbo 3.1

      Guyon Esipiner is nailing John Key…a must listen too.

    • coolas 3.2

      Yes, yes, yes .. a great start to the week. Key’s Crosby/Textor rehearsed lines sounding shallow and utterly insincere. Just the man he is. Well done Guyon. Hope others follow and grill the prick at every opportunity.

      • Kiwiri 3.2.1

        Wow. Guyon is doing his job this morning!
        I must buy a Lotto ticket today.

        p.s. Keith Ng may have something to say as the PM has just roped him into a false analogy?

  4. tricledrown 4

    Guyon espiner on fire this morning Key put in his place!

  5. Paul 5

    Suzie Ferguson trying to do Slater, Farrar and Key’s job.
    As Laila Harre said, amplifying his smears.
    RNZ – you are a public broadcaster.
    Remember that.

  6. tricledrown 6

    Harre kept her cool

  7. outofbed 7

    Fuck listen to this
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20146025/prime-minister-stands-by-minister-and-staff
    Key is fucked
    I never thought i would say this but Guyon was brilliant

    • Tracey 7.1

      well,well,well…

    • RedBaronCV 7.2

      Guyon “you’re not getting away with this” “answer the question” Great interview.

    • miravox 7.3

      I thought Key had given up drinking…..

      Well done Guyon, obviously the slimy ones have nothing on you. I very much appreciate you asking Key to account for his relationship with Slater and his acceptance of unethical actions of his staff.

      And what was that ‘…haven’t rehearsed…’ bit?

      • Rosie 7.3.1

        It sounded like he had a late night and was hungover. Quite slurry.

        • vto 7.3.1.1

          He goes slurry when he needs to quickly rush over something i.e. lie

          • One Anonymous Bloke 7.3.1.1.1

            Spot on vto. It’s transparent – a much bigger ‘tell’ than that hissing noise he makes.

            • Rosie 7.3.1.1.1.1

              I’ll listen out more carefully for the slurs. I’ve never heard them as bad as they were today.

              The sucking air through the teeth/hissing sound, prior to attempting to get out of a tight spot I am more familiar with. I had put the slurs down to tiredness. I guess lies get all mangled up in the mouth and come out in a slippery slurry mess.

              Bridges does something similar when he is lying and bending the the truth. His isn’t a slur though, it’s more like the words come out they have had a steam roller go over them. They squish out of his mouth as his conscience battles with telling a lie. Then they go a bit gravelly at the end, in an attempt to distort the lies further and to protect himself from further scrutiny.

              It is true that when we are under a lot of stress and adrenalin is pumping around our body, our breathing becomes shallower and shorter, having an effect on our speech.

      • cardassian 7.3.2

        Where abouts was the “…haven’t reheasred…” bit?

    • vto 7.4

      Key’s shallow self is being rubbed raw…

    • Molly 7.5

      Guyon definitely did his job superbly this time.

      Knew that Key had made a mistake at the beginning with his smarmy “Take a breath…” comment to Guyon. Losing control of the Crosby/Textor script for a schoolboy taunt.

      • vto 7.5.1

        All Key has ever had has been schoolyard mannerisms.

        Sneering.
        Screwing his nose up.
        Little taunts.
        Rolling his eyes.
        Smirks

        I tells ya – the man is the most shallow we have ever had as a Prime Minister and that is why he is being rubbed raw – he has no depth.

        • Bearded Git 7.5.1.1

          Perfect vto-I’ve never bought into the PR myth of the charming folksy Mr. Key. The facade is crumbling at a rate of knots.

          What price TeamKey now?

          This is not the first time that Guyon has surprised with an excellent interview. If he can maintain equal treatment of left and right (crucial) he could become a broadcasting legend.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 7.6

      Just finished listening to it. Asking questions Key can’t answer, because if he answers them truthfully he’s finished.

      How will National respond? The ethical wing of the party is awfully quiet.

    • Rosie 7.7

      I was shocked and pleasantly surprised by E Spinner. It was if he had woken up from a dream and seen the light of day. He also sounded quite offended that Key placed Slater in the same category as journalists from RNZ and other media too. At approximately 7 minutes in when E Spinner was asking Key whether it was ok for public servants to receive death threats it was like they broke into an analogue version of looping, as Key was trying so hard to evade the question and E Spinner wouldn’t let it go.

      E Spinner: “Is it ok…….”.Key” People can see…………” repeated about 5 times. Dotcom could use that as a loop on his next release. The song could be “Is it ok?” there’s a lot of material for lyrics available.

      (Sounds like Key still hasn’t read The Book. Has he?)

      Excellent line of questioning that really had Key straining to answer in his regular finely honed brand of spin. More interviews like this please.

      • Karen 7.7.1

        I suspect Guyon read the book over the weekend. Although he is a conservative and a supporter of the National Party, I do not think he would approve of the Lusk/Slater/Collins behaviour and would have expected Key to distance himself from them. Suzie, on the other hand, is happy to continue the Slater line that Dotcom is involved in an attempt to divert attention from the issues raised in Nicky Hager’s book.

        Andrew Geddis on Pundit is an essential read this morning.
        http://pundit.co.nz/content/cri-du-c%C5%93ur

        • Rosie 7.7.1.1

          I wondered that too Karen. E Spinner conveyed a sense of disgust and seemed to have a good grasp on the allegations, which made me think he had read The Book.

          Even for conservatives like him there is a moral boundary that should never be breached, and it sounds like he views the behaviour of the characters in the book having done that.

          While there are many RW’ers denying denying denying without having even read a single sentence there must be at least some National voters who do have a well developed sense of fairness and also see their leader and their government as having had a serious drop in standards. There will be some groups of Nat voters who will be quite disappointed and shocked by all this and view this behaviour as a serious breach of moral and social decency.

        • Draco T Bastard 7.7.1.2

          What Geddis relates in that piece is the psychopathy of National. Especially this bit:

          Or is it when this same Simon Lusk states:

          I’m just motivated to cut throats. Unfortunately the biggest buzz I get is when I wreck someone, only done it three times, but I was on a massive high. (p. 65-6)

    • Blue 7.8

      Geez. That must be the first decent interview of Key by any NZ media, ever.

    • yeshe 7.9

      Sounds like Guyon Espiner has only just found out his friend Duncan Garner was under discussion for being blackmailed, he is so angry. Kudos to him for standing over Key and his rubbish answers. Key sounded to me like he was admiring himself in a mirror the whole time,.(That must be teflon falling off all over his bathroom floor.)

      Methinks we could be heading into some deep and dark constitutional issues before this day is done with the email dump coming up.

      And just how decent is our GG General Jerry Mateparae ? Is he fully owned by Key and Key’s masters? I hope we don’t need to find out, but this is what Watergate felt like as the truth inevitably unravelled in to full public sunlight .. ripples are the promises the waves make to the flood.

  8. tricledrown 8

    Key now admits Ede was looking at Labours site then said nothing wrong in that Guyon had him on about his moral compass as Prime Minister of New Zealand
    Then Key said it was ok for Slater to be calling ChCh people scum
    Collins as police and electoral commission to be involved in having a public servant facing death threats Key put his foot in it and now is in big trouble!
    Collins must resign and be prosecuted !
    Key is in massive trouble.

  9. wyndham 9

    Ever heard a man say ‘at the end of the day’ so many times in such a short period ?! Key to Espiner on MR. Lesson in how to dissemble.

    • Rodel 9.1

      Yep. ‘At the end of the day’….’In the end’….’No but what I can say is…’
      It appears that Keys focus word, ‘look!’ has run it’s course after Melissa Lee overused it 15 or more times in one interview.

      Memo from John Key to Crosby Textor:
      Quick give me another mantra.
      Bloody Espiner’s rendered the old ones ineffective.

      (Never thought I’d say it, but well done Mr Espiner.)

      • Red Whine 9.1.1

        I was pleasantly surprised by Espiner’s tenacity this morning as he’s usually ineffectual when dealing with ‘important people’. I suspect it might be down to; a) having read the book he actually knew what he was talking about for a change, and b) wasn’t prepared to let Key make him look like a patsy.

    • Red Whine 9.2

      Whenever anyone says to me “At the end of the day….” I hear them saying they believe the end (however desireable from their viewpoint) justifies the means (however dubious), which is a slippery slope Key is all too obviously at the bottom of.

    • yeshe 9.3

      well, the end of this day sees the beginning of the whole email dump … shonkey might have to ask CrosbyText for a new phrase !

  10. tricledrown 11

    Key admitted Jason Eded spied on the labour website to pass on material to Slater
    and Collins also.
    Key then tries to say Hagers book had nothing in it ShonKeys involvement with the SIS must be True as well
    National are in the shit right up to their necks and now When the Emails are released and proven not to come from Dotcom Key and Slater are Toast!
    Last week it was the allegations were baseless now they are all true!
    Key said it was OK for a police ministe electoral commissiner to be involved in this behaviour!
    Shonkey has admitted then he was using the SIS for political purposes by default!
    Media now need to ask John Key about his scuriless behaviour around the SIS!
    Key is in deep do do’s!

  11. Adrian 12

    Yes Miravox, I’m glad you heard that , I thought I must have misheard it.
    “WE HAVEN’T REHEARSED THAT”
    Has to be the headline quote of the election.

  12. Ennui 13

    It really looks like a cliff hanger election coming up: my fervent hope is that this election will finish the single party rule of elected dictatorships (left or right).

    Should the government be a true MMP coalition their diversity of opinions will require compromise and consideration. Imagine ta parliament that for the first time in living memory actually debated issues without the knowledge that the result was a foregone conclusion. Would that not be a delight!

    • Draco T Bastard 13.1

      It would be nice but you’re not going to get that from a representative democracy. You’ll only get it from a participatory democracy where it’s the people making the decisions and not some elected dictators.

      • TheContrarian 13.1.1

        We’ve been over this before Draco – a participatory democracy would be a cluster-fuck.

        Like I say to you every time you bring this up – in the 2012/2013 some 200+ bills were passed in parliament. Are we all to vote on them all?

          • TheContrarian 13.1.1.1.1

            Well actually it’s neither of those.

            You are stating now, and have previously stated, the we should be a participatory democracy to which I have asked, now and previously, how this would work given 200+ bills are passed per year.

            This is neither loaded (because you can answer it with a proper solution) nor personal incredulity (because it doesn’t imply it is not true, just that you have yet to give an coherent explanation of how it would work).

            How would it work? Do we vote on every bill in your participatory democracy? Or just some?

            These questions are pertinent to the the idea of a participatory democracy and are not logically fallacious.

            Also you have engaged in an Tu Quoque fallacy above…and an attempted fallacy fallacy argument (which was incorrect but, hey, you tried to play it)

    • Red Whine 13.2

      Unfortunately the shot-gun wedding of the Tories and LibDems in the UK has been no great advert for the delights of coalition Government.

    • JanMeyer 13.3

      MMP has had the effect of cementing in the reforms of Douglas and then Richardson. Clark dabbled with the idea of tweaking the neo liberal “consensus” but drew back from the brink in repsonse to some serious push back. Nothing will change going forward. FPP is less “democratic” but it did allow a welfare state to be created. Hard to see how the existing “consensus” can ever be significantly altered under MMP.

      • Draco T Bastard 13.3.1

        The same way it was created under FPP – the government passes the legislation and the people keep voting them in until they vote them out. The more different the Left become from National the more chance they have of staying in government.

  13. North 14

    TheGodKey’s media trainers (Wilson…Ralston?) will be sorely concerned by their subject’s pathetic effort on RNZ Morning Report this morning.

    Espiner got it perfectly right with his approach – “I’m not asking for your critique of Hager’s book…….I’m asking you if it’s OK for a minister to…….” “Is it OK ?” “The minister’s admitted it……” “Is it OK ?”

    The media’s been doing it for years…….allowing TheGodKey to get away with posing as some sort of objective academic analyst of matters political. Allowing him the (fake) ‘authority’ of someone not intimately personally involved in the matter at hand.

    So patently TheGodKey for all his vaunted theistic qualities ain’t much better than an obfuscating punk with every reason to lie when it comes to the ‘real questions’ format employed by Espiner this morning.

    “Thank you Prime Minister” takes on new meaning. Looking forward to Hooten’s ‘spray’ at 11.00 am today on RNZ with Kathryn Ryan. Will be telling if we’re witness to another ‘shouty’ episode.

  14. gsays 15

    prime minister = first servant.

    to lead effectively the prime minister MUST uphold the law.

    these utterings of: the left would have done it so its ok…. remind me of the justification of a guilty child caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
    a poorly bought up child with no moral compass.

    its awkward when you tell a lie then have to tell another lie, then remember those two lies while telling another lie..

    I am almost starting to feel sorry for him. (secretly rubbing hands together in glee).

    • Anne 15.1

      Just listened to the interview:

      “pisspictive” for perspective …. “ginirilly” for generally. Hangover much! New Zealand’s Prime Minister.

      I hang my head in shame and embarrassment.

      And what about this quote in respect of the Slater OIA to the SIS:

      No. I knew nothing about it. It didn’t go through me. Acshully, I’ve been amazed at what has been released by the SIS. – sucks in breath.

      That is more than a lie. To claim such an agency regularly hands out secret info. to any Tom, Dick or Harry – which was the clear tone of the comment – without any reference to him is bordering on libel.

      And what’s this Warren bit? His name is Warren Tucker. He was head of the SIS at the time. Is it not totally out of order to refer to him as Warren… as if he was a personal mate? So unprofessional!!

  15. disturbed 16

    We heard,

    At three minutes into the RNZ discussion on 18th August 2014 between Guyon Espiner & P.M. Key the following was said;

    Question from Guyon Espiner. To PM;

    “You said it was o/k for Jason Edes to look and poke around in that (Labour Party) material?”

    John Key relied ; –
    “One – as I understand it, haven’t rehearsed the whole thing,”

    Key on the ropes as Guyon comes out swinging
    for truth “is it ok, – is it ok – is it ok?
    and Key wont answer yes or no.
    Gone by lunch anyone?

  16. halfcrown 17

    Collins Has got to go. Like NOW.

    It is disgusting that a Minister of the Crown, a Minister of Justice, admits that she gave personal details of a civil servant to a member of the general public.

    What faith are we going to have in governments irrespective who they are if this type of action is condoned.

    • Bearded Git 17.1

      @halfcrown-probably better if she stays as the gift that just keeps on giving.

      It means Key’s credibility will be destroyed in the election campaign and debates.

      • halfcrown 17.1.1

        So true bearded, but I feel we must all be vigilant if we want to keep the democracy we have.

        Key’s credibility must be destroyed over this for the reasons I stated.

    • Rosie 17.2

      Makes one wonder, if she is still here after all this, when the Oravida saga should have finished her, what dirt does Collins have on Key that she has so much power over him? He seems scared of her.

    • Kiwiri 17.3

      Collins has to go.
      Can someone please set up an online petition for the NZ Public to register their concerns?

  17. tricledrown 18

    Now we need to makeBroadcasting Standards complaints to Media Works and other Networks that are running patsy questions and Joyces propaganda!
    We need to stand up for Democracy and Fairness in our News Media otherwise Joyce and Key will win!
    The more complaints the Media will have become Fair Media Works is running Whale Oils line without Question!
    Media Works are running a concerted campaign to lower voter turnout!
    A lot of snide remarks and pro Key endorsements Berlusconi style bought off Media!

  18. dv 19

    I thought that Collins was on a last warning after Oraivita?

  19. Te Reo Putake 20

    Oh dear, Jordan Williams appears to have cracked. He’s reduced to making threats to women on Twitter.

    Jordan Williams ‏@JordNZ

    @helenkellyCTU my advice is to be very careful.

    • BM 20.1

      Making threats to a woman?, that’s outrageous.!!!!

      Poor wee Helen, being a women she’ll have no doubt collapsed into an emotional pile of nonsense, Williams would have known that too, but attacked Kelly anyway.
      What a total bastard!!

      • Te Reo Putake 20.1.1

        Excellent work, BM. Sarcasm and belittling language. Kinda like the PM’s response to the Wellington attempted rape and his later accusation that Laila Harre is a bought woman. Stay classy, National.

      • tricledrown 20.1.2

        Boorish Misogynist complicit behaviour desperation is no excuse for misogyny

  20. Puckish Rogue 21

    Gee the elections got interesting (and fun) again, Hager has an book full of smears, lies and half-truths out, everyone from bloggers to MPs (on the right of course) have their lap tops and offices broken into and the left-wing media show their true colours

    Its all good 🙂

    • KJS0ne 21.1

      Any evidence to back up your claims that Hager’s book is full of smears, lies and half truths? Especially given the fact that it is mostly made up of documented correspondence between National staff, MPs and Cameron Slater? Especially given the fact that Hager is a meticulous researcher, who has in past refused to document many things he knows to be true simply for the fact that he didn’t have the evidence to back it up. Especially given the fact that John Key has now gone on record (RNZ interview) accepting that some of the main claims in the book really did happen (Judith Collins leaking innocent civil servant name to Slater, SIS document being declassified and given directly to Slater – Although he denys personal involvement, National staff exploiting a security flaw in the Labour Party’s website to take private information for political gain.)

      Or are you just talking out your ass, and regurgitating John Key’s verbal ejaculate verbatim?

      • Te Reo Putake 21.1.1

        Well, to be fair to PR, he could just be referring to the source material. As we know, most of what National staff, MPs and Cameron Slater write actually is smears, lies and half truths.

      • Puckish Rogue 21.1.2

        How about the denials from the parties named for starters? (Sorry I forgot anything unproven from Hager is true) How about he claims he doesn’t know who his sources are but knows it isn’t Dot Con?

        Don’t get me wrong, I think its great. This shows what politics is really like and, according to Willie Jackson, the lefts just as bad if not worse.

        • Tracey 21.1.2.1

          do you believe everything willie jackson says

          • Puckish Rogue 21.1.2.1.1

            He gets it wrong with his support Carlos Spencer thats for sure but yeah the left is just as bad as the right, its just that the right are better at it

            • tricledrown 21.1.2.1.1.1

              Bad PR Spencer ran out of ideas and became a one trick pony who could only bully his way through the opposition and no one wanted him in the end!
              Ironic

        • One Anonymous Bloke 21.1.2.2

          Denials is a new word for confessions, from Judith Collins, from John Key. Yes, she passed on Pleasant’s details, yes, Ede works for him.

          Meanwhile, PR is still parroting the disastrous “stolen lies” line. Polly wanna cracker?

    • minarch 21.2

      look who just punched his clock this morning !

      you working the late morning shift P(ublic) R(elations) ?

    • Draco T Bastard 21.3

      The Authoritarianism* is strong in this one.

      • One of the most despicable traits of an authoritarian mind is the defense of the indefensible when their leaders do it. They will always defend their leaders – no matter what the evidence is.
  21. KJS0ne 22

    So what does Judith Collins have over John Key. Why is he so desperate to hold on to her, despite her rapidly growing unpopularity, many questionable if not downright disgusting actions, not the least of which is leaking the name of (later discovered to be) innocent civil servant directly to Cameron Slater whom she wanted to see “fired and tarred and feathered”, the man – Mr. Pleasants, later receiving death threats. On the RNZ interview Key refused to answer whether he had known about Collins doing this. Pretty categorical imo, since if Key hadn’t known about it you can guarantee he would have said no.

    Sounds to me like Key is afraid of the damage Collins would do if he gave her the axe.

    • coolas 22.1

      What does Collins have over Key? Perhaps it’s something to do with China, milk, and corruption. There are interesting linkages. The person who headhunted Key into politics, Jenny Shipley, chairs CCB New Zealand, a fully-owned subsidiary of the state-controlled China Construction Bank, one of the biggest banks in the world, with a pre-tax profit in 2013 of US$45.85 billion. Think Shanghai Pengxin, Crafer farms, Lochinver, and Synlait, and Ruth Richardson, former National finance minister, is a director on Synlait milk, which is Shanghai Pengxin’s Sth Island operation. I just can’t imagine Key hasn’t got his hand out for either $$ or a job later on. Maybe?

    • Chooky 22.2

      +100…other dispassionate observers are also thinking Collins has John Key in a Devil’s blackmail hold

      … and if Key pushes Collins over the cliff she will grab his leg and take him with her

      …so what corrupt NACT can of worms is there to be brought to light?

  22. halfcrown 23

    Puckish, I am sure your comment is a wind up, However. if Hagers book is “full of smears, lies and half-truths”, surly that would be libelous. That being the case why has no one sued Hager for libel, and why has Collins, a Minister of the Crown admitted that she had given Slater details of a civil servant.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1

      Everything in the book is true. Puckish Rogue approves of it, which is why he’s here defending it. Unfortunately the fool just contradicted Dear Leader, who, far from denying the books contents, says “Labour did it too”.

      • Tracey 23.1.1

        So PRs gist seems to be that Hager is a lying smearing devil, and Slater is?

        I hope he and others get paid to write this crap.

        • Puckish Rogue 23.1.1.1

          Its more Hager is on the left so hes a lying smearing devil whereas Slater is on the right therefore he isn’t

          • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1.1.1.1

            I have never received email from that man. I am not a crook. It’s nothing to do with the National Party. Labour does it too.

    • Puckish Rogue 23.2

      Spin version: We don’t want to give Hager anymore oxygen

      Real version: If it comes to court then he’ll probably be proven correct whereas this way we can just discredit him so why take the chance

      Its all good

      • One Anonymous Bloke 23.2.1

        It’s all lies. Labour does it too. Franks Ogilvie pay my rent. Judith Collins is innocent. John Banks will be found not guilty because he’s not guilty.

  23. Adrian 24

    This week has shown something I think we have all missed, it’s not Key that has cultivated Slater but Collins. Anything Slater has got on Key is for Collins benefit not vice versa. If she goes Key is in deep shit. Can anyone here the jet idling at Mangere ?

    • Kiwiri 24.1

      The best thing Prime Minister Key can do for the country and to give a good lasting legacy?

      Take the axe to Collins, Slater and Ede.

      Then apply the broom to himself to clean out the Executive Government.

  24. just saying 25

    It has been interesting to notice which commentators have been most eager to downplay and tacitly condone what has been reported in Hager’s book. I suspect there would be a reasonable correlation with the contents of Slater’s speed dial.

    As for those amongst them who pupport to represent the left, let the purge begin.

    edit: naturally, most of those concerned have suggested that a few things described in the book cross a line, but have not condemned the majority of the behaviour nor the substance

  25. Pete 26

    Whaleoil hacker contacts Herald. Now things will get interesting again. Soon on http://t.co/GEBuowOQDr. #hagerbook— Tim Murphy (@tmurphyNZH) August 17, 2014

    More details at http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11310429

    • Tiger Mountain 26.1

      yep a wiki style release looks likely, of course the ‘hacker’s account is hosted on Mega just to annoy people and includes Julian Assanges st address at the embassy, what a wind up merchant.

    • Tracey 26.2

      Im too cynical, begun onndering if its the real hacker or a black ops version…

      • yeshe 26.2.1

        I’m with you Tracey .. had similar thoughts. But maybe it’s very clever to choose NZH .. if the Herald is convinced, then it will nullify one of Key’s biggest public weapons.

        I decided it’s real .. and can’t wait now :popcorn:

        • Tracey 26.2.1.1

          Hager doesnt need tomake stuff up, imo.

          • yeshe 26.2.1.1.1

            No he does not ! Never did make stuff up .. didn’t mean to imply that.

            • Tracey 26.2.1.1.1.1

              it was me thinking out loud not suggesting you thought that.

              power has gone in epsom. literally and metaphorically… am posting from my phone

  26. Karen 27

    I just heard Matthew Hooten say David Cunliffe will be PM at the end of the year!

    • Tracey 27.1

      if you heard hooton last week, do you know his response to having given over hagers street address to cathy odgers.

      Btw ms odgers and ms collins, both tax lawyers

    • tricledrown 27.2

      Karen that was a dog whistle to hard core National supporters to get out and Vote from the cunning dead rat eater

    • Chooky 27.3

      Yes Kathryn Ryan was pointed in stating at the beginning that Hooton has a PR company and features three times in Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’.

      (Hooton gave Hager’s address to Odgers…which could have amounted to a physical threat to Hager…personally I think Hooton should be barred from Radio New Zealand )

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11309750

      http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/16/hagers-dirty-politics-death-threats-or-hit-jobs/

      Kathryn Ryan also made sure that Mike Williams ( who is usually over-ridden by Hooton ) had a fair go for a change

      …..and Mike Williams was damning about the filth surrounding John Key’s NACT strategy PR emails ….

      http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/20146062/political-commentators-matthew-hooton-and-mike-williams

      • Tracey 27.3.1

        did he deny he passed on the street name.

        • Chooky 27.3.1.1

          no Hooton has not denied it, that I have heard……(nor has Hooton said he has been defamed by Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’…..or Bomber Bradbury on ‘Daily Blog’ , where these claims are made)

          …but no one seems to have asked him that question outright..I was waiting for Mike Williams to ask him that question or Kathryn Ryan….why not?

          • Tracey 27.3.1.1.1

            i emailed nine to noon this morning. Their reply to my request to put the address allegation to hooton was that was done last week.

            They havent responded at all to my question in the same email if hooton and williams are paid to be on that slot.

            • Chooky 27.3.1.1.1.1

              if Hooton has replied to that ‘providing of Hager’s address allegation’ I have not heard it…and if it was done last week i would be interested to see a link up with his reply

              …because to me it is a VERY serious allegation

              …i mean if Hager had been assassinated …would his blood be on the hands of those who provided his address and those who suggested such a possibility and asked for his address? ..and would they be legally culpable in the event?

              ( as regards payment for Hooton and Williams ….i would expect that this is the case for regular political commentators…but strange radionz is not replying to a simple request for the facts)

              • Tracey

                they said i would find it here

                “This was raised with Mr Hooton last week

                http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/20145654/dirty-politics-nicky-hager%27s-book

                • Chooky

                  This needs to be transcribed…but from what i can ascertain from that link:

                  1. the question (in context of Odgers and Hager’s address) was not asked directly by Kathryn Ryan
                  2. …there was a tentative, once over lightly, question by Ryan to Hooton as to whether he had released Hager’s address…Hooton said he had “no recollection” and “sure it is true”…but Hager’s address is “no secret” because it is on all Hager’s submissions to Select Committees

                  My conclusion is that the question was not asked properly and nor was it answered directly …the question was not put in its ‘damning’ and ‘threatening’ context….it was tentative , oblique and hasty… and the answer by Hooton was a fudging

                  …IMO the whole section of the interview needs to be transcribed so others can make up their minds….also I look forward to the emails being directly released on this in order to clarify exactly the dialogue and context in which Hooton released Hager’s address

                  • Tracey

                    and despite my pressing, no response on whether hoots and williams are paid. I asked if they were really going to make me do an OIA… no reply

      • Dialey 27.3.2

        Matthew Hooten said he believed David Cunliffe would be Prime Minister by the end of the year. I nearly fell over, except I was sitting down. I think he’s read the writing on the wall

    • Rodel 27.4

      Karen -Hooten us usually wrong. Hope not this time.

  27. Ffloyd 28

    Methinks key will be having a few more fainting fits soon.

  28. yeshe 29

    Breaking right now on TV3News .. hacker to release docs today via Twitter …

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Whale-Oil-hacker-promises-more-details/tabid/1607/articleID/357289/Default.aspx

    (oops .. I see Pete has posted above with direct link to Herald .. but all good news !

    • Molly 29.1

      657kb .zip file has been linked to from the @WhaleDump twitter account.

      Don’t usually open .zip files so will have to look for a good software to do so… but it is there for others better prepared than me.

      • Pete 29.1.1

        They’ve been reposted to https://imgur.com/a/i8lQT – a handful of image files.

      • yeshe 29.1.2

        molly .. I can’t see where the zip file attached on that acct ? Can you help me with where to look pse ? thx

      • Red Whine 29.1.3

        I run all my internet-based apps, and anything I have the slightest uncertainty about, in a Sandboxie instance:

        http://www.sandboxie.com

        “Protection from rogue software, spyware and malware by isolating your browser, PDF reader, and applications in a sandbox

        Run programs in a sandbox to prevent rogue software, unwanted programs, spyware, viruses, worms, and other malware from making permanent changes to your machine

        Protect yourself from a wide variety of attacks - ranging from botnets to banking Trojans and ransomware to run of the mill viruses

        Configure your own sandboxes to meet your specific needs - install new software directly into a sandbox, run multiple copies of the same on-line game, turn a single-instance application into a multi-user application."

        And it’s free (and hopefully not bugged!).

    • emergency mike 29.2

      Slater: “People with much more to lose than I do will now fall in behind me and others who don’t break the law to hunt down everyone involved with this. Poor Nicky Hager. He’s really been minced here.”

      Yes Cam, everyone is going to ‘fall in behind you’. Of course they are.

      • Hayden 29.2.1

        …me and others who don’t break the law…

        Pretty bold for a convicted criminal.

  29. rhinocrates 30

    Let’s remember that it’s not just Slater. As well as Odgers and Hooton publicising Nicky Hager’s address and smacking their lips over the prospect of harm – or worse – coming to him, we have the Penguin’s mate, Jordan Williams issuing a threat to Helen Kelly as well: https://twitter.com/JordNZ/status/501113656784863232

    “Be very careful”, he says. Bluster or not, effective or not, there you have an insight into their personalities. Pure evil.

  30. ianmac 31

    Don’t know how to publish this but as Lynn says funny numbers of Whaleoil traffic scores. Graphs included.

    Retweeted 207 times
    Kim Dotcom ‏@KimDotcom Aug 16

    I did a traffic analysis on WhaleOil. Turns out it’s ShrimpOil. Lots of fake traffic & bots. #HagerBook check this: pic.twitter.com/NH6ZuI2owu
    Embedded image permalink

  31. yeshe 32

    Some thoughts overnight .. not fully formed ( need coffee!) but would enjoy some discussion … no page numbers yet but will get them in … I just need to get this in here now …

    Lusk features substantially in Dirty Politics, including his manifesto of how to control the future of politics in NZ and move National hard right by bringing in young men and ‘training’ them. He is quoted as saying he has been able to get three of his ‘candidates’ elected including Jamie Lee-Ross and Mark Mitchell.

    Now we know of Slater’s payments from big tobacco via Carrick Graham. And now, isn ‘t it true there are three young National candidates all from tobacco backgrounds ? (Have to do my research on names but you’ll be getting my drift.)

    Clutha is the most obvious with English’s replacement in such a safe Blue seat ( or is it ?) — can someone down there ( journalist or constituent) ask this of the new National candidate: ” Are you employing Lusk, or have you employed Lusk at any time as an adviser of any type whatsoever? Have you ever paid him any money for any contracted services?”

    Likewise, the other two young tobacco-backed candidates ? Let’s out the discussion on them now as probable Lusk ‘operatives’ before it goes any further, for the sake of NZ and our democracy.

    (And please, feel free to add in the gaps I have missed in my urgency!)

    • yeshe 32.1

      Todd Barclay is Clutha Southland National candidate who needs to be asked about Simon Lusk.

      And correction .. Lusk claims to have two of his three candidates elected, not three as I posted above. ( Wonder who the lost cause was ?)

      • Rosie 32.1.1

        Thats a bit weird. I replied to you yeshe at your 12.27 post and didn’t see the 12.38 post above where you mention Todd Barclay.

        After I posted my reply at 5.37 I returned to find the 12.38 post………………

        So sorry, I wasn’t intending to double up on naming Todd Barclay.

    • Rosie 32.2

      I’ve been thinking about the fag lobby candidates too yeshe. Todd ‘baby tory boy’ Barclay is the Nat candidate in Clutha Southland and Chris Bishop is in Hutt South.

      Their path to candidacy needs to be investigated – no time to speculate now, gotta dash, but I do agree, a mighyt big spot light needs to shine on them

  32. Te Reo Putake 33

    Ha! https://twitter.com/whaledump. A couple of followers this morning, a couple of thousand at lunchtime. I think I know what’s leading the 6 o’clock news tonight!

  33. Te Reo Putake 34

    The dump is mainly screenshots of emails between Cam Slater and Jason Ede. Oddly Cam writes to Ede, but someone called ‘political.animal’ replies. The same person appears to use the handle nzedjed.
    NZedJed has some interesting habits, including a porn portfolio.

    nzedjed also copies DPF into some email exchanges with Slater.

    Slater claims Jami Lee Ross as ‘his mate’. Some relationship! JLR will “do as he is told”.

  34. Sookie 35

    When has NZ politics been this car crash fascinating? And I thought this election was going to be a boring Nat walkover smugfest. I feel we should all buy Mr Hager a beer. This Twitter stuff must mean that heads will roll now, surely? How can that nice Mr Key get away with this ‘whatever’ denial sh*t? He must sacrifice raging boot Collins at least.

  35. Saarbo 37

    Just wondering at what stage John Armstrong calls for John Key to resign? I mean, the Don Liu thing looks like kindergarten compared to what we are seeing in Dirty Politics.

  36. Tracey 38

    IF the no surprises policy was in place before the sis declassified and/or released OIA stuff to slater, as opposed to dminion, then does the following make a liar of the liar in chief, again?

    As some here may know i have been pursuing the underlying facts to a statement made by bill english to the data forum. Following a request for an extension by the MSD i complained to the Ombudsmen. That office has chased it up and two things emerged. The one relevant to the PM is contained in this from the MSD

    ” In terms of providing the information to the Minister’s Office, this is required of the Ministry as part of the “no surprises” approach. All requests made under the Official Information Act, regardless of their content and nature, must be provided to the Responsible Minister for their information as part of this approach. The “no surprises” approach is consistent with guidelines provided by the State Services Commission and the Cabinet Manual which emphasise that a Department or Ministry ought to advise the Responsible Minister of issues that may be discussed in the public arena or that may require a ministerial response, preferably ahead of time or otherwise as soon as possible “

  37. yeshe 39

    Have just written to Canon Managing Director copying their PR officer to ask if they understand that Canon 2014 Blogger of the Year Cameron Slater’s website is called Well I’ll Be Fucked when it is spoken out loud. Can’t imagine what Head Office Japan would make of it !

    Have asked them to withdraw the 2014 Blogger of the Year award, outlining numerous reasons.

    This is email addy for Canon managing director if you wish to do something similar …

    Yusuke.Mizoguchi@canon.co.nz

    It’s a little thing to do, but it matters.

  38. Weepus beard 40

    I don’t really think John Key is a bad man. Sure, he’s been a money trader all his life which is a profession that we on the more socially conscious end of the political spectrum find bewildering and distasteful. Common belief is that it is a non productive sector of the financial industry and serves no purpose to the enrichment of mankind. Money traders seem to me to be laughing, parasitic ticket clippers.

    Anyway as I said, that notwithstanding, I don’t think John Key is evil. He is arrogant, but not evil. That arrogance though has caused him to lose his office somewhere along the line. I think Eagleson, Ede, Lusk, Slater, and Collins are evil and John Key has allowed that culture to flourish under his preference for light touch management.

    Now he finds himself in a spot of bother.

    • yeshe 40.1

      I think what he did to NZ currency when he was a trader was downright evil. And if this has flourished, as you suggest, because his arrogance confused him because of his ‘light touch’ then he is not fit to hold any office, much less our PM. Sorry Weepu’s B .. can’t agree.

      • Weepus beard 40.1.1

        I agree he’s not fit to hold office. The hands off, two stage style he’s brought to NZ government is very damaging, and NZ would be a better place this boil having been lanced, imo. John Key has brought a culture of personality to NZ politics not really seen since JFK, and we all know what happened to him.

        But could you really see John Key thinking the same things as the vipers in his office, and their odious connections think? I can’t.

        It’s the hands-off, hands-clean style of government while underhandedness has been allowed to operate that has been his mistake. I do blame him for that and he should take responsibility for it.

        There are many many active voters who still see John Key as a modern deity and these voters are much more active than those who can’t or won’t vote for whatever reason.

        Even if National do win this I think JK, and more particularly, The Trout won’t last long afterwards.

        • andrew murray 40.1.1.1

          Read slater’s description of key’s communication concerning the South Island West Coast mother, then review your opinion…. key leads this destruction of political ethics.

          • Weepus beard 40.1.1.1.1

            Yes I haven’t read Dirty Politics unfortunately so I might have to change this opinion when I have but I was just trying to say that I don’t think it’s John Key’s overriding evilness that is driving this black ops, but rather his laissez faire attitude to political management which has now got him into trouble. He’s over delegated to some proper evil men and women as far as I can see and for that he has to go.

        • Puddleglum 40.1.1.2

          Hi Weepu’s beard,

          My view is that the ‘hands-off’ approach to management is done quite deliberately by Key so that (a) he can dump any bad consequences on others without taking any responsibility (or losing any popularity), and (b) he can get the benefit of their activities while not being himself implicated should they ‘stretch’ the ethical boundaries.

          It’s a form of ‘benign’ neglect which I think he has learnt gets him off the hook in many situations for which he actually bears formal responsibility.

          I also don’t think it was any accident that Key brought someone like Ede into his project to be Prime Minister. And I don’t think that Key ‘misjudged’ Ede’s character. I don’t think John Key is easily fooled by young, politically ambitious things.

          Key would have known what he was getting with Ede. I think Key reads people quite well. (I’m assuming Key had something to do with Ede being brought on board – I don’t know that for certain.)

          I also think this kind of management style is probably pretty much how Key has operated most of his life.

          I don’t think a word like ‘evil’ is useful to describe this approach either, but largely because it is too vague and simplistic.

          Key’s value set – from what I can gather from his public behaviour – is largely centred on his own personal ‘achievement’ which, I think, leads him to minimise – and disown – the ethical issues surrounding the means to the end of that ‘achievement’ (hence ‘deals’ that ‘cut corners’ and seeing culpability as a tactical problem rather than a moral issue).

          Remember that he came to adulthood at pretty much the same time that the Douglas reforms opened up massive opportunities for people keen to ‘succeed’ – at least materially and in terms of status.

          I think he rode along with the self-centred values of those days, largely because they were compatible with the goals he formed as a result of his earlier developmental experiences – an outsider’s background, a doting mother who favoured him over his sisters and a growing desire not just to run with the cool crowd but to beat it at its own game. (He has always wanted to be top dog.)

          He has been able to ‘beat it’ through cultivating an extreme disjunction between the persona he presents to others (relaxed, not too bothered about things, smiley) and his own, private strategic goal-setting (very determined, very serious and of utmost priority to him).

          The latter self apparently comes to the fore when he is challenged or needs to ‘deal’ with someone – his acquaintances and colleagues have called it a ‘core of steel’, I think.

          Or you could call it a ‘two track‘ kind of persona/self, if you like.

          But, who knows, I could be wrong and he might actually be this very straightforward chap for whom the line ‘what you see is what you get’ was originally coined.

    • Colonial Viper 40.2

      W.B. Your kind remarks about John Key are very generous of you, and a credit to your character. I must agree with you that John Key is not “evil” as such. For that man, selling out our country, selling out our people, selling out our future, is simply business, not personal.

      Vote them all out.

      • Weepus beard 40.2.1

        Yeah, that’s it. It’s an ideology of his. We, as more socially inclusive and socially conscious people, hold an opposite ideology.

        I just think the guy must be extremely embarrassed at the moment hence the attacking of the messanger, Hager, but he must have known about all this stuff, having read WO and having kept up with the the new media, blogs, as he himself has claimed to have done.

        Maybe he’s too reliant on Crosby Textor speak, and that has been his undoing.

        • yeshe 40.2.1.1

          He’s a crook, way back when .. do you remember when he was first outed on his Trans Rail shares ? And that was so minor compared with what has gone on. If you stand it Weepu, read the book. I knew it would be awful, yet still I was very shocked and am still trying to rid myself of their filth. Key is not innocent, much as I have faith in my fellow humans. I cannot find a single instance where he might be right; sorry !!

          And I don’t believe that he is embarrassed in any way .. he doers not have integrity to feel it.

  39. yeshe 41

    http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=635

    by Steven Price, Nicky Hager’s lawyer. Great read.

  40. Chooky 42

    ‘How @whaledump might destroy the popular vote for National’

    By Martyn Bradbury / August 18, 2014

    “National are in meltdown, they just don’t know it yet…

    .
    – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/18/how-whaledump-might-destroy-the-popular-vote-for-national/#sthash.YQ900WKe.dpuf

  41. karol 43

    Where have all the right wing diverters, and distractors gone?

  42. Paul 44

    “At the end of the day.”……..

    • gsays 44.1

      yes.. what is with ” …at the end of the day…”?

      is it a deliberate distraction or a meddled mind trying to stick to a script.

      a tactic I used as a young fella in the military was during a barrack inspection I would have something minor or trivial wrong eg crooked beret. this would attract attention, often away from a more serious shortcoming.

      kinda like pointing away and saying “look! a baby wolf”

      • felix 44.1.1

        haha I’ve used the same trick on building inspectors before. There’s a certain breed of authoritarian who won’t be happy until they’ve picked you up on something, so you’re best to throw them a small bone.

        End of the day? Could it be a subconscious acknowledgement that the clock is running out?

        • Colonial Viper 44.1.1.1

          buying time, buying a breathing space, not wanting to deal with the turmoil of the here and now.

      • karol 44.1.2

        I think “end of the day” is a bit of a stalling tactic. It is similar to “let’s take a step back”. It is aimed at giving Key time to take a breath and regain his composure, and regain control of the interview.

        I noticed in that RNZ interview I transcribed today: the “end of the day” kept being repeated about the time Key’s voiced squeaked, as he tried to defend Collins – that squeak is a sign that he’s physically feeling under extreme pressure.

        • felix 44.1.2.1

          Remember when they used to just literally go “Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh” until they thought of something?

          Annoying, but more honest than this post-modern “as long as it sound like words” nonsense.

  43. yeshe 45

    Just read on Bomber’s site that at this end of the day brought a new post at whaledump of a Carpenters’ album cover .. Close To You. And the first track is We’ve Only Just Begun !

    All this and humour too ? Love it and making more popcorn ….

  44. Mark 46

    Dirty Politics – 11,000 sold and orders still coming at a great rate according to the bookshops. Not going away any time soon.

    • felix 46.1

      That’s weird, little Matty Hooten said on rnz this morning that there were only 4000 printed.

      He wouldn’t just make up blatant lies, would he!? Not on the radio, surely!!

  45. yeshe 47

    @tracey .. you asked earlier about any response from Duncan Garner .. it’s here for you and it’s angry and decisive.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Duncan-Garner-Dirtiest-election-campaign-ever—and-mud-sticks/tabid/674/articleID/52542/Default.aspx

  46. felix 48

    Speaking of filthy fucking disgusting pigs, did anyone catch the warning shot Slater fired in his Tel Aviv interview?

    The bit about how mates are supposed to stick by one another?

    I reckon that one was aimed right at the top.

    • Colonial Viper 48.1

      Yeah these types are all great mates until one of them becomes a serious liability. At which stage they won’t even take your calls.

    • tricledrown 48.2

      Then the google of Conferences in Tel Aviv came up with a self help psychology self help conference may well be true!
      Lets keep to criticising the behaviour and not the Man !
      The last thing we need is for us to be seen as the bad guys!

  47. karol 49

    Must read blog post by Nicky Hager’s sister, on Nicky and Dirty Politics:


    I don’t know anyone who is more ethical than Nicky (god knows, I wish I was!) He is a deep thinker, with an incredibly sharp mind, and always practices what he preaches. And he is a compulsively thorough researcher and a bloody good writer (a fact it grieves me to see so often overlooked by the writing establishment). And, here’s the most important thing, folks, nothing of importance that he has written has ever ultimately been discredited or disproved. The ignorant spin that he ‘makes things up’ and is a ‘left-wing conspiracy theorist’ could not be further from the truth. People wonder why he gets such extraordinary information leaked to him. The answer is really simple: he’s easy to talk to, honest, respects those he deals with, and he is totally ethical, therefore they can feel confident in him and assured he will protect their confidences. It’s as simple as that. No conspiracy – more likely a relief that there is at least one journalist out there who will take the time to explore issues of national significance and be prepared to put himself on the line to disclose them. Why else would such experts as Stephen Price work with him and Craig Potton be prepared to publish him? Why else would he have such a huge group of loyal and loving friends and supporters? Why else would the world’s journalists (bar NZ) think so highly of him that they invite him to speak at conferences all over the world and award him prizes?

    The slur that he is left wing is hardly a king hit. If left wing means valuing people and the environment more than the god of money, then damn right he is. But he is not a member of any political party and if he goes after the Right more than the Left, then this is because he is a staunch defender of an open and transparent democracy – and the Right need to look into their on hearts to join the dots on that. It didn’t stop him exposing Labour’s GE games in The Seeds of Distrust and derailing their election campaign.
    […]
    What truly disturbs me is the part so-called ‘mainstream’ media have played in this. The abusive and partisan coverage by people such as Mike Hosking, Paul Henry and co., when dealing with such vitally important national issues, is a disgrace to journalism – and any decent journalist should be up in arms (and vocally so.) They should stop asking patsy questions and start digging down deep. They should be exposing PR ‘lines’ for what they are, and refusing to let our Prime Minister and his ‘team’ get away with their obfuscation and blocking techniques.

    That said, it has been refreshing to see a little movement on this. It was great to hear Guyon Espiner holding the line on RNZ’s Morning Report this morning (18.8.14) (please, RNZ don’t let Susie near this again!) and The Nation’s excellent Lisa Owen. But too often I hear reporters allowing the agenda to be set by the spin, and not pushing past it. Or else focussing on only some of the issues, and not getting out to the public some of the more insidious and terrifying revelations. …

  48. Weepus beard 50

    The Whaledump thing is a bit silly.

    Posting memes, etc.

    Don’t get me wrong, I like a good meme but this is a juvenile way to be delivering this important information and opens the door for National to ridicule it.

    If the emails had to be released, which I don’t think they did, wouldn’t it have been better to do it without comment? Once anonymous, always anonymous?

    Better to let the media fight it in a professional way at this stage.

  49. Hami Shearlie 51

    What do we think of the current SIS Boss, Rebecca Kitteridge coming out and backing up Key’s story of the events surrounding releasing OIA information to Slater, the same day it was asked for, in a couple of hours I believe. How would Miss Kitteridge know everything that went on that day, she would only have written documents to go on, what about phone calls and private conversations with the PM or members of his staff? Why is Warren Tucker, the SIS boss at the time, not confirming Key’s story? Apparently, from what I can work out, he was SIS boss till the end of April this year.

    • Blue 51.1

      Exactly. Kitteridge’s assurances are not worth jack. She wasn’t even employed by the SIS at the time this was going down. She won’t know anything that isn’t on the official record and if Key used SIS info as a political hit, there won’t be a single document in existence confirming that. It would all be done off the record in private conversations between Key and Tucker.

      Only Tucker can give the assurance that he and only he was behind it. And then he will still be left with the question of how Cameron Slater knew ahead of time that his request was not only being granted, but expedited, and also what it contained.

  50. tricledrown 52

    Key has dug himself a bigger hole!

  51. tricledrown 53

    Phil Goff should follow up on that as we have seen if the right question Key Collins etc turn that into false allegations conspiracy theory allegation cunning character assassinations

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    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    4 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    4 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    6 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    6 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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