Open mike 19/01/2012

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81 comments on “Open mike 19/01/2012”

  1. Jenny 1

    Only 300 workers in one port are involved at present…..

    Eddie

    While Athens may stand aloof and also make demands that other Greeks not become involved. Xerxes is to meet with Leonidas tomorrow.

    • alex 1.1

      Why isn’t the Labour leadership getting in behind the striking workers? Shouldn’t Shearer be visiting the pickets?

  2. Jenny 2

    Which side are you on?

    Which side are you on?

    One’s right and one’s wrong.

    Together we’re strong.

    Which side are you on?

  3. Olwyn 3

    Those of us on the left need to get out there and show that we are to be taken seriously, while the Labour leadership works out where it stands. Darien Fenton and Phil Twyford have both spoken up, and quite a few Labour MPs have joined the support page on facebook, so there is some support out there. The strike on the 31st seems to have been called off, but if nothing is resolved we should be out supporting the next strike in large numbers.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10779669

    To continue with your Greek theme Jenny, one could put David Shearer’s comment in Theseus’s mouth: “”I don’t think the Athenian youths and the minotaur are too far apart… I’d like to think they can come together”

    • mikesh 3.1

      They would do well to fear Greeks bearing gifts.

    • Jenny 3.2

      Olwyn, I got the idea for the Greek theme from Eddie, when trying to justify why we shouldn’t support them, he said that the wharfies were only 300.

      In my opinion, if 300 can hold the line against the barbarians they deserve our full support.

    • Jenny 3.3

      I am sure that in the end, by fighting back, the 300 Spartans/wharfies will earn the respect and backing of the Athenians/Labour Party eventually. Let us hope it is before they are all slaughtered.

      With the full backing of the Labour Party/Athens, the wharfies/Spartans will be unbeatable. Without that backing, less likely. If the wharfies are defeated the rest of the Labour Movement/Greece will suffer a setback, and the Labour Party/Athens will itself be affected.

  4. The Voice of Reason 4

    Want to make a real difference for your own health and to help the world? This Standardista knows how!
     
    As indeed do these guys.

  5. vto 5

    So Sione’s 2 makes jokes at the expense of gays, gym instructors and people name Marcel.

    That’s not bad for a bunch of bigoted coconuts.

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      I see what you did there.

      • vto 5.1.1

        ha ha, yes, but I think you will find it is they who did it.

        • marty mars 5.1.1.1

          you just did it too dumbarse – you display the same attitude and both of you did it for humour – I know you were trying to make a point, a good point as it happens, but that is a fail and the point is lost, for no valid reason really other than your own personal stuff

          • vto 5.1.1.1.1

            touchy touchy

            • marty mars 5.1.1.1.1.1

              hint – you are not as ironic as you think you are

              and yes I bit – that’s what you wanted isn’t it?

              • vto

                Irony had no part in it. Simply a large and rude crude mirror to themselves. Best way sometimes.

                By the way, why did you bite? What part of the point got up your nose? Wasn’t personal stuff was it?

                • I find fakery offensive so some of your posts wind me up, but not too much vto – just giving you your fix

                  • vto

                    Fair enough. Seems to be my way sometimes – to make a point which has wound me up I will shove it back large and crude. Over-exaggerate, etc. It generally works to at least get the required attention, though not always the finer points and discussion.

                    A lot of humour, as lanthanide points out, is made at others expense. I guess what got me re Siones 2 is that as PI’s the people involved have probably suffered over the years from people making fun of their own characteristics and negative stereotyping. And here they are indulging in the same conduct. One that reinforces negative stereotypes. I guess it is very easy for humourists to slip into the easy trap of making fun of others rather than making fun with others (and it is clear that the particular joke I refer to is made by laughing at, not laughing with).

                    What would a comic, such as Oscar Knightley himself perhaps, have to say about it? Would be interested to hear.

                    • good points – I wish people weren’t so mean to each other too

                    • millsy

                      Its perfectly possible to have good comedy without making it at the expense of ethnic groups and minorites, (or having some form of bodily function made reference to). People who indulge in that are just lazy. And I am definitely no prude.

                    • prism

                      A good comedian can take the stereotype, work on it, present it to the audience who both understand it and feel some of it too and laugh at it, and all the time the content is saying yes we’re like that sometimes and sometimes it’s ridiculous and some of us can recognise it and laugh and sometimes it’s us being ourselves so suck it up. There is a complex silent dialogue running between the comedian and the audience.

    • Lanthanide 5.2

      A lot of humour is made at the expense of some specific group of people.

    • so you add more bigotry and that is supposed to do what – be ironic. Sad and useless vto.

  6. Willie Maley 6

    Just listening to Camoron Brewer on RNZ. Sounds like a mini Banks. 
     

    • Colonial Viper 6.1

      Imagine someone who has chosen Banks, Brash, Richardson and Hide as his role models. Madness multiplies madness.

    • logie97 6.2

      …that was my immediate reaction too. Sounded like a clone. (clown).

      That section was followed by a much more telling interview with Gordon Campbell from Scoop on Labour’s conspicuous absence from the waterfront issue. (Shearer should be in boots ‘n all, attempting to mediate and get things moving, while the Nats are still sunbathing and showing no concern). The NZ public would appreciate that from Shearer I am sure …)

      • millsy 6.2.1

        Yes, I think if Shearer offered to personally step in and mediate the the dispute, he would win a lot of points with the public – using his skills honed in the worlds hotspots to sort things out at home.

        • Colonial Viper 6.2.1.1

          Shearer will do so if his advisors decide that it fits with his ‘brand’.

          However predictable complaints from the Right that he is politically meddling in an Auckland city matter, that he is backing the unions ahead of the interests of Auckland city ratepayers, that he is interfering in the free market, will stay his hand.

          What alternative narrative has Labour got to fight back with.

          • logie97 6.2.1.1.1

            CV – Thinking out loud, but just who are these (even-more-powerful-and-superior-sages/come-advisors) who sit above the various spokespeople. It would seem they screwed up in the last election good time. What about a bit of personality taking over for once.

            (Muldoon could think for himself.
            Savage could think for himself.
            Lange could think for himself.
            Thatcher could think for herself.)

            • The Voice of Reason 6.2.1.1.1.1

              There aren’t any, Logie. For example, last week it was supposed to be Pagani and Mallard, but that turned out to be a load of bollocks.
               
              The simple fact is that the Labour cannot afford a layer of Machiavellian manipulators and the organisation actually survives on the smell of an oily rag. Via parliamentary services, there are some taxpayer funded media and policy advisers, but nobody is operating at the level the fantasists of both the left and the right would have you believe.
               
               

        • Jum 6.2.1.2

          Millsy,

          Excellent idea.

  7. Jum 7

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1201/S00050/the-food-bill-not-as-sweet-as-first-appeared.htm

    ‘…School fairs, churches, and community fundraisers could have sausage sizzle fundraisers with just food handler guidance (a best practice food safety pamphlet and no checking), yet a small grower wanting to sell some surplus plums or cabbages to the corner dairy has to enter the bureaucratic jungle: Register at a cost, apply for an exemption, or wait and hope that MAF and the Minister decide to make an exemption after the Food Bill is through, but no promises.

    It would appear that the only ‘charitable’ groups not able to run sausage sizzles or food stalls under food handler guidance, would be political parties/supporters, strong advocacy groups, and direct action groups such as Greenpeace. They would have to pay registration and undergo food safety plan verification for their sins. …’

    Giant Monsanto as international lobbyist will be loving this as it seeks to control the seeds (and the water supply) of tomorrow.

    I hope New Zealanders aren’t hoping Kate Wilkinson will stand up for their rights in their vegetable patches.

    Y’see, it’s all about taking away the ability for New Zealanders to save a few extra dollars – often the difference between living and surviving.

    ‘Cause just surviving means no energy to take on the thieves we have in government now as they seek to steal our SOEs and give them at rock bottom prices to their rotundtable business mates in New Zealand and internationally.

    What a shame that Kiwis lost in translation on pot/soma won’t even notice.

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      It’ll simply end up criminalising large parts of society. What are people going to do. See their families go hungry in order to fulfil Wilkinson’s pet laws?

      Nah, never going to happen.

      • Jum 7.1.1

        Colonial Viper,

        And then there is this to keep an eye on them…

        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1201/S00051/improved-satellite-communications-for-nz-defence-force.htm

        ‘Any unused capacity can be made available to other government agencies.’

        Am I being unduly suspicious here?…

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1

          Not unduly suspicious, especially since US law enforcement now routinely use military designed Predator drones with the highest tech remote sensors for surveillance activity on civilian populations and protestors.

      • Lanthanide 7.1.2

        Large parts of society are criminals and break laws every week, if not every day:
        – Driving/riding without a seatbelt
        – Talking on cell phones while driving
        – Failing to wait until the lights at a railway crossing turn off before driving through the intersection
        – Copyright violations

    • millsy 7.2

      Imagine the howls of outrage if Labour brought this bill in?

      We would have people going on about “Herr Clarkenfuhrer and her SS Feminazis closing down the school sausage sizzle”

    • Jum 7.3

      ‘It would appear that the only ‘charitable’ groups not able to run sausage sizzles or food stalls under food handler guidance, would be political parties/supporters, strong advocacy groups, and direct action groups’

      NAct won’t be worried because they have, or more importantly are, all those super rich owners of all our assets – no fundraising for them.

    • Gosman 7.4

      There’s a bit of a leap in logic from requiring exemptions if you attempt to sell your produce via a local dairy to being unable to grow food for your own or friends and relative consumption because of the law. Please explain how you make the statment “Y’see, it’s all about taking away the ability for New Zealanders to save a few extra dollars” with any validity.

    • McFlock 7.5

      ‘…School fairs, churches, and community fundraisers could have sausage sizzle fundraisers with just food handler guidance (a best practice food safety pamphlet and no checking), yet a small grower wanting to sell some surplus plums or cabbages to the corner dairy has to enter the bureaucratic jungle: Register at a cost, apply for an exemption, or wait and hope that MAF and the Minister decide to make an exemption after the Food Bill is through, but no promises.

      Sigh. So now it brutally oppresses small-scale fruit wholesalers?
       
      This bit differs from the current Food Act how?
       

      • Jum 7.5.1

        McFlock,

        Sigh…

        I used the first paragraph to give a little bit of a picture before highlighting the actual point in the second paragraph in my 12.06pm comment. I thought I should emphasise that with a second post to help those with only a few braincells.

        NAct only ever do anything that brings them gain and reduces the power of those agin them. Now if you prefer to play with the ‘few braincells’ types, carry on.

        And take the idiot gosman with you as an introduction to the rapacious world of Monsanto and just how far that operation will go to remove any freedom of individuals to keep and grow their own seeds and retain their own water supply.

        Whole brave new world out there McFlock. I didn’t like it on paper; I like it even less now.

        Crikey, I’ve just had an ‘orrible thought. Seeds…reproduction…men… Monsanto…

        (Soil and Health Sept/Oct 1999 – Monsanto now expanding monopolies from Seed to Water.)

        • McFlock 7.5.1.1

          I would agree with you if a few of the below were true:

          Monsanto were the only people who submitted in favour of the Bill;
          There was a demonstrable difference in application that was more widespread than the current Food Act;
          Public health professionals made Bill submissions to the effect that it wasn’t needed, rather than in favour;
          bill opponents made statements that relied on actual facts, rather than a nebulous terror of global corporate evils;

           
          Although to give Penny credit, she does hunt down and link the primary documentation (which is lightyears ahead of our neighbourhood tory swine). I just don’t read the same significance into participating with international standards organisations as she does. A bit like the NZDF purchase of satellite bandwidth that you bring up – I don’t view that with any more trepidation than the LAV purchase.

    • tc 7.6

      The food bill’s has some very nasty outcomes such as destroying diversity of food sources via legislating this seed or no seed……this x or no x etc.

      This govt’s proven it can’t be trusted with an outcome that benefits everyone, gotta be fillig some mates pockets.

      It’s unecessary and we’d actually benefit by being diverse and not ‘one of the crowd’ which’s just what monsanto want………and they called clark’s mob a nanny state, key and co make them look like liberal weiners adopting this type of crap.

      • McFlock 7.6.1

        “The food bill’s has some very nasty outcomes such as destroying diversity of food sources via legislating this seed or no seed……this x or no x etc”

          
           
        It took me ages to find out what exactly people were talking about with this bit. Turns out the inclusion of food seeds in the bill was inadvertant, and it would appear that this issue is being addressed (Q7). Call me again when they decide not to put forward the supplementary order paper.
          
        As I’ve said before, I wouldn’t trust this government to change a lightbulb – but I’ve seen a lot of panic on the basis of not much when it comes to the food bill. I mean, if it was all that then every garden centre would be up in arms at having to put together food safety plans.

         

        • tc 7.6.1.1

          You assume people are paying attention but you’re right on the trust issue as Katey W has zero credibility on that front.

          Farmers in the US are being asked to pay for plants growing as a result of seeds blown from their neighbours GE Monsanto crop as they own that patent……we need to be vigilant.

          • McFlock 7.6.1.1.1

            True enough, but paranoia means we overlook real threats because we’re obssessing over inflated ones.

            • Jum 7.6.1.1.1.1

              McFlock,

              The real threat is this government running this country – how can we overlook that!?

              • Colonial Viper

                Tory Governments come and go. What we need to do is shift the debate in the community because that will limit what Tory governments can do when they are in – which they are inevitably every couple of terms.

                Notice how the Right wing have done that very effectively to Labour? They don’t care if a Labour govt can get in because they know they can ride it out as the electorate’s thinking (and participation) has been shifted to the right. And they won’t let Labour do anything too unacceptable.

          • Jum 7.6.1.1.2

            Tc,

            Yes I spotted that – shameful act of aggression. Obviously, Monsanto has governmentS in its pocket.

          • Colonial Viper 7.6.1.1.3

            Farmers in the US are being asked to pay for plants growing as a result of seeds blown from their neighbours GE Monsanto crop as they own that patent……we need to be vigilant.

            Actually farmers need to be invoicing Monsanto for the clean up – Monsanto is polluting their property without authorisation.

            • tc 7.6.1.1.3.1

              No that’s nature doing what it does, Monsanto can easily say not us but our property you didn’t pay for nor ensure it stayed with its purchaser.

              Also these plants can often have the propagation gene switched off so back for seeds every cycle embedding the cycle.

              • Colonial Viper

                Monsanto can easily say not us but our property you didn’t pay for nor ensure it stayed with its purchaser.

                Its pollution mate. Whoever is the cause needs to clean it up.

                An oil spill from a deep sea well spreads through the ocean and along the beaches. You can’t just say “that’s nature just spreading things around, not our problem”.

                Further, the genes from those seeds damage the productivity of your own land. Thats damages right there mate.

  8. randal 8

    I think David Shearer and the rest of the team are probably going flat out behind the scenes.
    they are not all media hogs.
    and I think credit must be given to the posters on the standard who kept the issue boiling till manager gibson backed off.
    people power dudes.
    cant beat it.

  9. Wharfie 9

    The impact of outsourcing.
    The mention of the word itself raises serious concerns for current employees of any company where they thought they were secure in their employment. The loss of job satisfaction, productivity, company loyalty and a threat to quality of life are some of the emotions I am sure people are faced with on hearing their future is at stake. Outsourcing might assist the bottom line for companies but raises the bar in terms of risk for the worker. Pike River is a classic example of where things can go badly wrong. With a large part of the operation contracted out shortcuts were taken and health and safety became secondary, the outcome was catastrophic for 29 families.
    Dropping the contingency they carry is the main driver. No annual leave, no sick, no ACC levies and certainly no voice. As much as it grates against the grain of employers, the union movement sets the standard in ensuring workers are protected against harm in the workplace. Union covered sites are known to be some of the safest environments for people to work in. These concerns had been raised and unfortunately come to fruition at the Pike River mine resulting in the worst mining disaster in New Zealand’s history.
    Outsourcing has become very popular in particular with larger companies and corporations looking to maintain and increase the market share without carrying the additional cost to maximise future profit. The risk is still there in loss of quality service and control over that service delivery because they no longer control the labour; also violations of confidentiality and intellectual property are real risks to companies that outsource. Any contractor will minimise input in terms of safe labour levels, this creates another industry where those removed by outsourcing are call upon to fix these situations because the skill is lacking.
    Any improvement for people employed by contractors is very hard to achieve because in effect they are actually the contractor and there is a line that can’t be breached financially, so inevitably shortcuts and cost driven measures are put into play. Most employees are gun shy and will not join a union for fear of reprisal or putting their jobs at risk. The bottom line is outsourcing drains wealth for the sake of profit.
    Most advocates of outsourcing don’t consider the potential damage to their company with the risk of damage to their brand; it’s like taking a bath at the sewage plant saying I am saving on heating costs, the water is warm and no rates to pay like at home. How can you simply trade of your biggest asset at the flick of a pen especially when your huge investment in that asset is giving a return? That is of course all any employee asks, respect the investment I make and acknowledge it by securing my future.
    The human collateral damage is huge; families suffer at the hands of capitalism without conscience or thought given to the devastation within the family nucleus. It’s not very often you see outsourcing of the managerial tier, the boy’s club look after their own. It is always those on the bottom rung that have to step up and cop the hit whether it is redundancy or contracting out.
    Outsourcing is said to be for people who have little patience and a lot of money. The outcome for working-class people is to see wages and conditions driven down to compete; families suffer because without organized labour, maintaining a reasonable standard of income becomes next to impossible. The trade union movement will always rile against the outsourcing and undermining of our members livelihoods and for that matter the attack on working-class in general by corporations hell-bent on gaining a compliant workforce without basic workplace rights.

    • Jum 9.1

      Wharfie,

      That block comment signifies everything about a charged situation which threatens to become a war of survival. Every sentence is loaded with importance.

      I recognise your anger; however these days it’s all about how you present it.

      It’s tough to read and digest huge blocks of print; I am reprinting it for you – it needs to be said, as often as possible.
      Save that passion and anger and belief in collective action for the many days ahead:

      ‘Wharfie 9
      19 January 2012 at 11:32 am

      THE IMPACT OF OUTSOURCING –

      The mention of the word itself raises serious concerns for current employees of any company where they thought they were secure in their employment.

      The loss of job satisfaction, productivity, company loyalty and a threat to quality of life are some of the emotions I am sure people are faced with on hearing their future is at stake.

      Outsourcing might assist the bottom line for companies but raises the bar in terms of risk for the worker.

      ********************Pike River is a classic example of where things can go badly wrong. With a large part of the operation contracted out shortcuts were taken and health and safety became secondary, the outcome was catastrophic for 29 families.

      Dropping the contingency they carry is the main driver.

      *********No annual leave, no sick, no ACC levies and certainly no voice.

      As much as it grates against the grain of employers, the union movement sets the standard in ensuring workers are protected against harm in the workplace.

      Union covered sites are known to be some of the safest environments for people to work in.

      *********************These concerns had been raised and unfortunately come to fruition at the Pike River mine resulting in the worst mining disaster in New Zealand’s history.

      Outsourcing has become very popular in particular with larger companies and corporations looking to maintain and increase the market share without carrying the additional cost to maximise future profit.

      The risk is still there in loss of quality service and control over that service delivery because they no longer control the labour; also violations of confidentiality and intellectual property are real risks to companies that outsource. Any contractor will minimise input in terms of safe labour levels, this creates another industry where those removed by outsourcing are call upon to fix these situations because the skill is lacking.

      Any improvement for people employed by contractors is very hard to achieve because in effect they are actually the contractor and there is a line that can’t be breached financially, so inevitably shortcuts and cost driven measures are put into play.

      Most employees are gun shy and will not join a union for fear of reprisal or putting their jobs at risk. The bottom line is outsourcing drains wealth for the sake of profit.

      Most advocates of outsourcing don’t consider the potential damage to their company with the risk of damage to their brand; it’s like taking a bath at the sewage plant saying I am saving on heating costs, the water is warm and no rates to pay like at home.

      How can you simply trade of your biggest asset at the flick of a pen especially when your huge investment in that asset is giving a return? That is of course all any employee asks, RESPECT the investment I make and ACKNOWLEDGE IT BY SECURING MY FUTURE.

      The human collateral damage is huge; families suffer at the hands of capitalism without conscience or thought given to the devastation within the family nucleus. It’s not very often you see outsourcing of the managerial tier, the boy’s club look after their own. It is always those on the bottom rung that have to step up and cop the hit whether it is redundancy or contracting out.

      Outsourcing is said to be for people who have little patience and a lot of money.

      The outcome for working-class people is to see wages and conditions driven down to compete; families suffer because without organized labour, maintaining a reasonable standard of income becomes next to impossible.

      *************
      The trade union movement will always rile against the outsourcing and undermining of our members livelihoods and for that matter the attack on working-class in general by corporations hell-bent on gaining a compliant workforce without basic workplace rights.

      Reply

      • Jenny 9.1.1

        Good one Jum and wharfie, working together you have created a quality statement that would do well as a full post.

        Just click on contribute icon at the top of the page or on the link below:

        Contribute

        I think the moderators will find a suitable photo or graphic to go with your post.

  10. Jum 10

    http://sticknz.net/2010/10/22/a-solution-for-overseas-sales-of-agricultural-land-%E2%80%93-make-it-all-leasehold/

    It really annoys me that people like David Mahon continue to harp on about the Chinese being attacked on land ownership because they’re Chinese. That’s rubbish.

    Firstly, why would we seek to sell off freehold to a country that doesn’t allow its own land to be sold off?

    Secondly, why would we allow any land to be sold off to anyone to make money out of it and that money transferred out of NZ? There is absolutely no intelligent thinking in that option.

    Exporting earns international funds to balance our books. Selling our assets causes an imbalance in our books.

    Even leasing out which this link suggests removes income from New Zealand once the initial lease price has been spent.

    There must be some way to keep the vast bulk of the income from any investment in our country be it land or 42Below. Mining won’t do it; a low wage economy means little staying in the hands of NZ workers – 1% total isn’t it in monetary return for New Zealand for wrecking the land (nicely). That would be spent of course on tax cuts for those that don’t need it so they can buy up what’s left of our assets.

    But it’s a good idea by Key to try to make New Zealanders feel guilty for something they are not guilty of – xenophobia. Then they’ll shut up about the loss of priceless income generation forever.

  11. Fotran 11

    Where is Kiwi Bank (owned and capital fund supported regularly by NZ Post) finding est $50 million to $100 million to buy out Gareth Morgan, whose Kiwi Fund Management is shit poor.
    Morgan gets it Tax free of course.
    Whose paying – you and I the taxpayers are !!!!!
    We are mugs.

    • Chris 11.1

      Kiwibank would pay for it from the profits it makes I assume. It has made over 70 million in the last 2 years alone.

      Also I would be very surprised if Gareth Morgan got the profits tax free. as a share trader any profits made by him through the sale of shares would be taxed. He may have some set-up which gets him out of it somehow but it would be something the ird would look at very closely

      • Colonial Viper 11.1.1

        Capital gains on the value of a business are tax free mate.

        Exactly like the tax free capital gains his son made when selling TradeMe.

  12. randal 12

    yes its like clasping a viper to your bosom.
    he will be in there doing due diligence and hey presto he will own the bloody thing next year.
    just like the manager of POAL.

    • beachbum 12.1

      Lets be consistent – POAL manager is either a numb nutz as he has been described here, or now you are suggesting that he actually has some ability to work out some scheme to own POAL????

      • Colonial Viper 12.1.1

        He’s a numb nuts if his goal is to create a healthy productive work environment where competitive improvements can be implemented by the workers. Clearly he’s incompetent at that.

        However, he’s a scheming bastard if his goal is to engineer an excuse to break the union, help his former employer Maersk, and eventually position the port for partial privatisation.

        No inconsistency there mate, just your lack of imagination.

    • Jum 12.2

      Randal,

      Yes, we know Gareth Morgan is not averse to asset sales. Kiwibank branches have been closed down in places which is against the original plan to be like the traditional post office was available to all and close enough to get to. When it has lost its advantage, the government will take that as an excuse to sell it. What am I saying!? They have never needed any excuse in the past to sell off our assets.

  13. A claim doing the rounds of the righty blogs.

    The problem with MUNZ’s, Fenton’s and the left’s argument about casualisation is that right now MUNZ is pursuing a case against POAL in the Employment Court to prevent the Port offering permanent jobs to “lashers”.

    You may think so, but not when the Union bullies have the top jobs and like to take the overtime at their much higher rates rather than allow the lower paid workers to get permanent jobs.

    Someone here should be able to clarify or refute this?

    • McFlock 13.1

      Looking at the url for the source, and the commenter bringing it here, why bother? There’s a >80% chance that if I bother to look into it, it’ll be complete bullshit and I will sincerely regret wasting those five minutes of my life so thoroughly.

    • tc 13.2

      Petey g seeking to assist the left…..LOL.

    • marty mars 13.3

      that clam has been taken from a restricted area

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    Today is the first day of the global climate strike. Led by schoolkids, people all around the world are going to protest to demand action on climate change. New Zealand isn't doing it till next Friday (join us!), but if you want to get active early, there's plenty to do ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Squandering our opportunity?
    The Herald has a story today about the 400 MW of wind power currently under construction. Good news, right? Except that none of it is being driven by policy (instead, its about replacing Contact Energy's Taranaki Combined Cycle gas-fired power plant, due to shut down in 2022), and most of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Protect The King!
    To Protect and Serve: When the Prime Minister finds herself enmeshed in the coils of a full-blown political scandal, her colleagues and party comrades have only one priority: to release her as swiftly – and with as little lasting injury – as possible. Is this what Jacinda Ardern’s colleagues and ...
    2 days ago
  • The rot at the top.
    When military leaders cover up and lie to elected civilian authorities, the foundation of democratic civil-military relations is undermined because it is those authorities who are entrusted to hold the military accountable to the public that they mutually serve. But this is only true if civilian political authorities take their ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago
  • Challenging the voting age in court
    The Make It 16 campaign to lower the voting age is launching this afternoon, and they have already announced plans to challenge the law in court:The campaign, named "Make it 16" will launch at Parliament on Friday, with plans to take their case to the High Court, testing the rights ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Israel’s elections herald a long siesta
    by Daphna Whitmore The long years of Netanyahu’s reign are drawing to an end. For years he has epitomized reactionary zionism as he oversaw hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers seize land in the West Bank. There are now 700,000 settlers, putting an end to the myth that Israel was ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    3 days ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    3 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    3 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    4 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    6 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    6 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    7 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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