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Open mike 20/12/2014

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John key being a dickhead-1The Authors of the Standard are now in holiday mode.  Posting will be less regular and dependant on individual author enthusiasm.  Open mike will continue every day and prepare yourself for some year in review posts and some recycling of old stuff.  And as R0b has said be nice to each other.

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98 comments on “Open mike 20/12/2014 ”

  1. Paul 1

    This is what happens when you take away the rules protecting workers and create a hostile environment for them.

    NZ 2014.
    A paradise for bad bosses…and Mike Hosking.

    ‘Agriculture, forestry and fishing are among the biggest offenders against two pieces of legislation designed to protect workers from being ripped off by their bosses.
    The sector topped a table of 19 industries for the number of complaints to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment relating to the Minimum Wage Act, and came second in complaints about the Wages Protection Act.
    There were 843 complaints relating to the Minimum Wage Act and 248 about issues covered under the Wages Protection Act for the year ending November 14.’


    • Murray Rawshark 1.1

      If businesses can’t treat their workers according to the minimal standards laid down in legislation, they should be nationalised without compensation. If some cop thinks that I sold drugs and bought a house and a car and a yacht with the proceeds, the government (thanks Goff) has given itself the power to take them off me without proving any crime. Why should businesses be treated so leniently?

  2. Paul 2

    Sky City turning the screw on the government.

    ‘Announcing the application, SkyCity chief Nigel Morrison revealed the cost of the convention centre had jumped to between $470 million and $530 million.
    The casino operator had previously estimated it would cost $402 million, which it agreed to cover in return for extending its Auckland gaming licence until 2048.
    SkyCity — which reported a net profit of $123.2 million last year — is now in talks with the Government on how to fund the increased cost.’


    • Skinny 2.1

      Yeah I heard snake oil Joyce was taking the piss when he blamed the ballooning costs down to inflation, that’s was laughable as it running at 1%. Now Joyce is really spinning it, saying the original costings ” were close to” .Yeah Steve she’ll be right.

      • mac1 2.1.1

        Blenheim is building a new theatre. It was costed at $17 million in 2005 and is being built for $17.5 million currently.

        These figures would call into question the original and/or ‘revised’ estimates for the SKY casino. Certainly, it calls into question the so-called good management of business and National government alike.

        • Draco T Bastard

          Sounds like a typical low bid to get the ‘job’ and then inflate it massively to boost profits. What the government should be doing in this case is simply dropping the deal as SkyCity were obviously lying about their end. And that would mean taking back the land as well – with no compensation.

          This government won’t though – they hand over the extra $100m with no questions asked and no promises on SkyCity’s behalf that it won’t happen again.

          • Paul

            $100 million…
            By the time the building is finished the blow out will be much larger than that.
            The government is being screwed.
            And therefore we are.

            A brave government would now declare the contract null and void and reclaim the land without compensation.

            This subservient lot though will bow to their corporate masters.

    • DH 2.2

      I think the most depressing thing about the SkyCity deal is this new news isn’t in the least bit surprising or unexpected. What the Herald should really be asking is what hooks have SkyCity got in the National Party.

      It’s interesting how they include the new hotel in the cost for the Convention Centre when it’s a totally separate business deal for SkyCity and not adding the Centre cost at all.

      Also interesting is the Herald note about the old TVNZ premises being used for the new hotel. We were told the TVNZ land was vital for the Convention Centre and now we’re told it isn’t needed at all. What the hell is going on?

  3. karol 3

    Scoop has announced the launch of “Operation Chrysalis” – an initiative to invite individuals and organisations from the community to contribute to the development and evolution of Scoop.

    It’s a long piece, some extracts:

    Scoop.co.nz, the pioneering online news resource with a deep publicly accessible archive, rich journalistic heritage and influential audience, is seeking new supporters to make it stable and sustainable into the future.

    From today Scoop is beginning a process of public consultation with the political, business and civil society groups it has served for the past 15 and a half years.

    The internal transformation process – dubbed “Operation Chrysalis” – is necessary to secure the support Scoop needs to sustainably support an informed society and a healthy democracy in a digital age [for further detail see editors notes below]. It is expected that the process will lead to a new ownership structure for the enterprise.
    Scoop’s “Operation Chrysalis” will focus initially on building a safe structure to secure Scoop’s publishing operation which sees Scoop publish close to 1000 pieces of content – mostly press releases – each week. This operation has till now operated continuously for 5658 days.

    From today Scoop is seeking expressions of interest in from individuals and organisations in assisting Scoop in the following ways:

    Providing internet hosting services;

    Bringing new “entrepreneurial” vision and energy to the Scoop project;

    Ethical Investment & Sponsorship; and,

    Making a purchase of from Scoop’s communications product range (Newsagent, Infopages and Advertising).
    At the same time, Scoop will be moving to new leadership, with Thompson announcing his intention to depart as the site’s founding editor during 2015.

    More at the link.

    • Paul 3.1

      Yes having to live with more pokies till 2048 AND having to pay for the Convention Centre.
      Not a good look.
      Still Sky City were probably big donors and will be calling in their debts.

      • greywarshark 3.1.1

        Don’t know why pokies are more important than Scoop’s new moves. But if Scoop can keep flourishing I am sure we will hear more about the chess moves about gambling and any other means of inserting vacuums into vulnerable people’s pockets, if they can afford or use them. I hope that many will be lining up. What would The Standard’s position be in relation to this new Scoop, the Chrysalis? A place where all will be crystal clear at the Chrysalis!

        By the way pockets are places to put something in. Some won’t have anything even the ubiquitous tissue found in every garment handed in to an op shop.

  4. Chooky 4

    Which way Peace?…Some food for thought. Mikhail Gorbachev, a man of Peace who brought down the Berlin Wall, gives his views ( He was awarded the Otto Hahn Peace Medal in 1989, the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990 and the Harvey Prize in 1992)

    ‘Mikhail Gorbachev to RT: America wanted to rule the world but lost its way’


    “The Ukrainian issue has intensified the tension that existed between the West and Russia: now, another Cold War is possibly lurking on the horizon. Are we to witness another stand-off – or will it be averted? The relations between Russia and the West seem to be stuck at dead-end, so is there hope common ground will emerge between the two? We ask these questions to the man who prides himself on ending the Cold War, the last leader of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev, on Sophie&Co today.”



    • greywarshark 4.1

      @ Chooky
      Thanks for that link. I’m saving it for later as time preses have to get off this thing, but catching his thoughts will be interesting.
      Have a good Christmas Chooky.

      • Chooky 4.1.1

        Thanks Greywarshark….you have a good Christmas too!…personally I think if you survive Christmas that is good enough…

    • Colonial Rawshark 4.2

      Gorbachev, a naive man who capitulated to the west, and set modern day Russia up to face ever further reaching NATO encroachment.

      • greywarshark 4.2.1

        What was that then? Was it that Gorbachev gave Ukraine autonomy which then left them in a vulnerable position to become a western pawn?

        • Colonial Rawshark

          NATO gave Gorbachev assurances that they would not expand a single inch eastward toward the Soviet Union, if Moscow ceeded control of all its eastern bloc holdings. He believed them, and of course, NATO broke its promise within just a couple of years.

          • greywarshark

            That’s so sad. Why doesn’t Europe have a better sense of it’s own destiny and advanced diplomatic and intelligence analysts advising wisdom? Is it Europe itself or Britain allying with the USA and have they got their hooks into NATO. Can’t NATO limit the USA. They seem to spread anarchy wherever they go.

            Someone recently was saying something about Germany not being as independent and strong as I thought. Surely Germany wouldn’t be stirring again and neither Austria.

            Incidentally one meaning of anarchy is “absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.” The USA can’t govern itself in a stable manner, the Republicans are barring it from that, and touts its freedoms – only for some, but having a gun might help to enforce them.

            The other meaning of anarchy is “a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.” In so many of the countries that USA supports, it either promotes a heavily controlled state of disorder, or steps in eventually to remove their despot leaving an absence of authority which is fought for by competing groups leaving no accepted controlling systems country-wide. Sounds like anarchy to me. Anarchy Rules Not OKay!

          • nadis

            I don’t thiknk it is as black and white as that, and there is a certain amount of history rewriting going on so that people are remembered more fondly. Gorbacheve odesnt want to be known as the guy who “gave the East to Nato.”

            Edvard Shevardnadze has always claimed there never was a deal. At the time it was crazy to think any of theeastern satellites would join Nato – they were still members of the EWarsaw pact. Gorbachev himself us on record as saying that he believed the communist parties throughout Eastern Europe would democtrtise thmeselves a la glasnost and remain in power.

            It seems bizarre that in 1990 when Russia and Germany (plus the other 4 participants) agreed that a unified Germany could join Nato (in a written agreement) that they didn’t address in writing) the other countries. I think the most likely explanation is that some vague discussions were had but nothing serious as the likelihood seemed so remote. No-one antiipated the sudden demise of the communist parties across Europe and the headlong rush of the new governments to the west. Bear in mind at that time NATO didn’t want any new members – why would English or Dutch soldiers go to fight for Hungary or Slovakia?

            Gorbachev miscalculated – he thought he could manage a change that left the communist elites in power.

            • Colonial Rawshark

              Gorbachev miscalculated alright. But the institutional elites – i.e. the ones in the military and the KGB, not the remnant political branches which had to be swept aside – did indeed retain power (and garner the wealth). Hence the phenomenon of Putin and also the oligarchs.

              • nadis

                That, I agree with. Struggling to think of a country in the last 100 years which has been looted as much as Russia. Maybe some African countries?

                Maybe the US in the 1860s-1880’s thought the difference is that wealth didn’t leave the country and has been pretty heavily recycled now.

      • Chooky 4.2.2

        +100 CR…yes well i agree he was naive in retrospect…and probably why Gorbachev is very unpopular in Russia today…and why Putin is very popular with Russians

        ….but that just makes Gorbachev’s and Russia’s trust and past good intentions for Peace even more poignant

        …and throws into particularly sharp relief what Gorbachev says today, as an old and wiser man, about the USA war machine economy

  5. Sanctuary 5

    I am not saying the Sony hack was anything other than an astoundingly lawless act, but imagine how Fox news and the US government might react if the Chinese and Russians made a high profile comedy blockbuster co-production entitled “Assassinating Barack Obama”…

    • ianmac 5.1

      On a different scenario Sanctuary, I was thinking of the grief and shock at the Sydney loss of life and the tragedy of the Pakistan raid. In both cases famies and society at large were so upset.
      Then I thought of the tragedies happening all the time during the Afghanistan conflict and the Iraq disaster and drone attacks and the Israeli “retaliations.” Imagine the grief of hundreds of thousands of families in those regions. Whole families wiped out. Do we think that only the West have grieving families?
      The Powers claim legitimate and accidental collateral damage.
      As you say, imagine how we would react if the tragedies were the other way round.

    • nadis 5.2

      The US makes those movies themselves. As does the UK:


      Pretty sure the US government didn’t notice.

      • greywarshark 5.2.1

        You seem to deliberately miss the point or bring up some assymetrical example.
        A film made in 2006 was within a different climate and not the culture we have now.
        Ever since 2001 and the attack on the towers in USA there is a constant tightening of reaction to real or imagined dangers and pro-action by closing down likely points of trouble.

        • nadis



          Not sure what I am being accused of. Your comment is remarkably incoherent.

          Sanctuary asked the question “what if someone else made a movie about killing the US president. Imagine the outrage”

          Just google “movies about killing the president”. There are plenty. Not seeing much outrage. Also not sure why “the interview” itself is so offensive.

          • RedLogix

            I think the difference is that the movies you are thinking of are all of American (or US sympathetic origin). I’m guessing that in them the assassins are fairly reliably depicted as the bad guys and the hero gets to variously liquidate them all in order to make the world safe once more for the American way.

            Now I know nothing about the Interview but I have to think that its plot didn’t quite follow this well-worn propaganda path.

            In particular if say the Chinese were to make a movie about interviewing President Obama with extreme prejudice – and the trigger men were portrayed as the good guys – you have to think that most Americans would be pretty unhappy. (Well apart from a substantial cohort of GOP nutters).

            • nadis

              I dunno – for all it’s faults the US still has a greater respect and allowance for free speech than any other country in the world. I suspect most Americans wouldn’t care. Plenty of nations and people overseas (as well as a few domestically) are calling “death to Obama” – the Americans are used to it. Not sure why putting it in a movie makes it more offensive.

              • greywarshark

                I don’t respect sweeping statements like this the US still has a greater respect and allowance for free speech than any other country in the world.>/i>
                Because even if it is true then there is huge opportunity for abuse and harrassment that leaves the recipient anything but free to respond in kind or any other way.

    • Murray Rawshark 5.3

      Fox News and both houses of the US Congress would love a high profile comedy blockbuster co-production entitled “Assassinating Barack Obama”. I don’t follow.

    • Lindsey 5.4

      Fox News would be really happy. Half their fan base would queue up to attend.

  6. millsy 6

    That pic of Key above pretty much sums him up, along with his followers (who are beginning to have the attitude of Mao’s red guards).

    • Clemgeopin 6.1

      After all the bad stuff, the dirty politics, the bad laws for workers, the sell of of NZ assets, the tanking economy, the massive debts, the constant lies that Key and his government have indulged in, it is incredulous that Key still seems popular. Why?

      • The Murphey 6.1.1

        A. ‘Herd Mentality’

        Apply to all aspects of what masquerades as ‘life’ and realize that the lies and deceit operate at 360 degrees

        Not one single theme is ‘immune’ from duplicitous nature of the man made environments we are trapped into from birth and the psychological warfare which exists at the core

      • millsy 6.1.2

        Because there are 2 sides to the average Kiwi. One side is “sweet as bro” and will give you the shirt off their back . The other, more sinister, side is willing to smash beer bottles over women and childrens head to watch a rugby match. Key subtly brings out the latter side while making himself out as the former.

  7. It’s A Man, It’s A Golfer, It’s A Fan, It’s A Fisher! John Key’s Getting A Happy Makeover While People Starve On Christmas.

    • RedLogix 7.1

      No you don’t understand – poor people are just sick losers, while their betters are out there working hard to halve their golf handicap.

    • Olwyn 7.2

      This year they seem to be laying it on thicker than usual – fun-Key snaps are everywhere. Here grinning away with Kate Perry, there in a fishing hat, here hanging out with radio jocks in a gonky tee shirt. Isn’t he due in Hawaii sometime soon?

      • Ffloyd 7.2.1

        Personally I think smirkey is an absolute embarrassment to NZ. Does he not realise what a dork he looks. Do his people send out these ridiculous puff pieces to newspapers and they print them, or do they follow him around to get these absolutely sad photos of our esteemed pm. Genuine question. Could tolerate them if he had been a halfway decent pm, but he hasn’t so I can’t. I don’t know how many business peopleI have spoken to recently who are finding things very slow at the moment. Key and English have got a lot to answer for.

  8. Yep, You’re either a winner or a loser on John Key’s planet and everybody wants to be with the winner!

  9. Clemgeopin 9

    Getting to know a little bit more about our Andrew:

    “For three days Labour leader Andrew Little shut himself in a room and set about writing a personal message in 450 different Christmas cards.

    While countless business and politicians have sent out screeds of computer printed festive cards, the New Plymouth-born political heavyweight took it upon himself to give each of his cards a unique message.

    “I had a couple of days off and I was supposed to spend them with my son. But he got a bit sick so I sat down and got stuck into my Christmas cards. It took a significant part of each day for three days,” Little said.

    The effort burned through two pens, came close to causing him a repetitive strain injury in his hand and taxed his memory for messages particular to each person. Despite that, he said he was likely to do it again next year.

    “You try and do something personal for each. I think the personal touch is important.”

    Recipients of his personalised cards, which feature a picture of Little and his wife Leigh Fitzgerald at Wellington’s Island Bay, included many members of the New Plymouth and Whanganui Labour Party chapters and business and community leaders he dealt with in the last year.’

    Read more here:

    • The Al1en 9.1

      Should have spent the time thinking up an apology to New Zealanders for supporting john key’s lapdog spy bill.

      Far to meh about little to praise him for his dedication to writing individual christmas card messages.

    • b waghorn 9.2

      The main thing I take from a story like that one on stuff is the press are being positive about a labour leader ,if the herd on stuff change direction keys gone in 3 or even sooner

  10. Having to fill in a “Current ye@r” box under the submit button every time I make a post.
    And when I don’t I’m getting…

    “Go back and try again.
    Error: answer is wrong. [3.3]
    Comment was blocked because it is spam.”

    Also the feeds are gone, just showing – [tabs] [tab title="Feeds"]

    And search is in advanced mode by default which it usually wasn’t for me.

    And when I do an edit, I get a full screen page instead of a pop up, and when saved it doesn’t return me to the previous page.

    • b waghorn 10.1

      Having there same . thanks for the tip I’d been putting the whole date in not just 2014

      • The Al1en 10.1.1

        Good to know it isn’t just me. Ta for confirming.

        Started for me yesterday. When I click to reply it refreshes the page and opens the reply box after the last post at the bottom of the screen, not necessarily the one I’m replying to.
        If I scroll up and click reply again, the box opens under the correct post, though still with confirm the year spam check.

        On Chrome Version 39.0.2171.95 m

    • greywarshark 10.2

      Same. No trouble about putting the year and if forget, get a reminder and a return to comment.

      And when I reply it does the same as The Allen says. The comment box at the bottom notes the comment name being replied to which is handy. But if you want to refer to something in that comment, you have to go searching for it – hard if the thread is long and tangled!

      When I edit I get a small box in left-hand (of course) corner of the screen which works as usual. When saved just sits and I have to use return to get back. I am returned to the original comment and I have to refresh with F5 on Firefox (as yet not updated), to get the new revised better comment.

      Also the edit button doesn’t show time limit ticking away beside it.
      edited multi

    • lprent 10.3

      Sorry, been relaxing after work finished. It looks like a bug from the upgrade to WordPress 4.1 yesterday and the ougin upgrades that went with it.

      I will have a look at it. But I am on the android pad that the mall. So it have to wait until after the movie.

      • The Al1en 10.3.1

        No worries, just making sure you were aware of the problem.

        Enjoy the movie. If the problem is fixed soon, I guess you’re watching The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

        • lprent

          Indeed. It was rather boring because they somehow didn’t manage to make the storyline clear about why there was a such a battle.

      • just saying 10.3.2

        At last I know why I keep bouncing back as spam. Tried to post this five times this morning. In honour of seeing my Irish mum in a couple of days, some amazing Irish blues. Rory gallagher “A Milllion Miles Away”

        Miss you Rogue Trooper

        • lprent

          Ok. I just have to clear the cache. I think that will fix the main problem.

          • b waghorn

            Back to normal now cheers only thing not going is if I tap my name in replies it says none found in search.

            • Jenny Kirk

              Yes – mine is now back to normal again too. Thanks lprent. I thought it was me muckin’ up the innards of my pc ! relieved to find it wasn’t me.

              • Anne

                Yep. Hit’s the self esteem barometer a bit to be told one’s contributions are nothing but spam. 😈

            • lprent

              Thanks. Looks like a problem in the search engine.

              Just finished fixing the Feed. So I guess that the search is next. I guess it is about time to replace the hacked version I did about 5 years ago.

  11. b waghorn 11

    Testing this thing on

  12. Morrissey 12

    North Korea not the only pariah regime intimidating the film industry

    Tough-guy Hollywood star George Clooney is fuming, in a laid-back, cool, method kind of way: “We cannot be told we can’t see something by Kim Jong-un, of all fucking people,” he spluttered in an interview the other day. “We have allowed North Korea to dictate content, and that is just insane.” [1] And President Hopey Changey said this morning that he wished the Sony bosses had talked to him before they canned that unfunny Seth Rogen film. [2]

    So American liberals are really upset about the censorship of free expression, right? They speak out against corrupt and evil regimes that try to shut down debate, right? Well, not exactly….

    Israeli government attempts to shut down Nakba film festival in Tel Aviv
    by SARAH LEVY, Mondoweiss, December 11, 2014

    Imagine if in the U.S. it were illegal to teach about the genocide of the Native Americans or the violent and gruesome system of slavery in North America. Imagine if you could be punished for simply mentioning the suffering of the indigenous people on Thanksgiving, or for questioning the nobility of Columbus of Columbus Day.

    In Israel, this reality is not far fetched. Any Israeli institution with public funding that mentions, teaches, or mourns the Nakba (Arabic for “catastrophe”) can be fined, and individuals can be sentenced to prison for their involvement.

    Recently this law threatened to cause trouble for the Israeli non-profit organization Zochrot as they prepared for their second annual “48 mm—International Film Festival on Nakba and Return” in Tel Aviv.

    This year’s festival, which was attended by hundreds of people, mostly Israeli, featured three film shorts made by Israeli directors specifically for the weekend, as well as longer films made in Palestine, Israel, and abroad on the subject of the Nakba and the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Highlights of the festival this year included Mahdi Fleifel’s A World Not Ours, which documented life inside a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon including the residents’ hopes, dreams, and depressions; Fida Qishta’s Where Should the Birds Fly, a “visual documentation of the Goldstone Report,” that showed Israel’s horrific Operation Cast Lead of 2008-9 against the Gaza Strip and spent time with several young survivors of the attack; and the Israeli premier of the film A People Without a Land, Eliyahu Ungar-Sargon’s compelling…..

    See more at…

    [1] http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/19/george-clooney-sony-pictures-hack-the-interview
    [2] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30555997

    • The Murphey 12.1

      Q. Which is more likely the offending entity based on technical capability and motive?

      1. NK
      2. NSA
      3. [pick an acronym]

      Q. What legislation has been heavily debated but as yet blocked through the houses of US Governance ?

      Q. Given the nature of what is ‘sold’ what grounds would Hollywood ‘stars’ have in acting as moral compass in ethical discussions?

      • miravox 12.1.1

        How about you start giving an opinion on your own questions sometime instead of expecting* other people to answer for you?

        * maybe you like just putting things out there – I’m open to be corrected

      • Morrissey 12.1.2

        Q. Which is more likely the offending entity based on technical capability and motive?
        1. NK
        2. NSA
        3. [pick an acronym]

        My guess is: Anonymous. Or one of Cameron “Blubberguts” Slater’s cronies. They probably support North Korea.

        Q. What legislation has been heavily debated but as yet blocked through the houses of US Governance?

        I’m not quite sure. Please explain!

        Q. Given the nature of what is ‘sold’ what grounds would Hollywood ‘stars’ have in acting as moral compass in ethical discussions?

        Not a lot. Most of them—not all, but most of them—do no reading, and are unbelievably ignorant.

  13. Morrissey 13

    The Standard was on to Blubberguts’s antics four years ago

    This one is from the archives, but it’s well worth reflecting that Blubberguts has been telling lies and orchestrating mayhem under our very noses for a long time. Nicky Hager’s book was not a revelation, but a confirmation, to anyone who had eyes, and the sense, to see….

    The real story on Slater’s videos
    by MARTY G 10:30 am, September 21st, 2010 – 163 comments

    Twice in a fortnight, we have had the unedifying spectacle of media running a false story based on a video on Cameron Slater’s Whaleoil blog. First it was the fake video that purported to show Jim Anderton saying only an earthquake could make him lose the mayoral race. Last night, it was a story that Labour’s Mana candidate, Kris Fa’afoi applied for a job with National shortly before going to work for Labour.

    In both cases, media simply ran a story based on Slater’s word and the video he gave them.

    Anyone who has met Slater knows he’s more than a few sandwiches short of a picnic. He doesn’t have the access or the ability to conjure up fake videos of Anderton from local TV or Fa’afoi using two year old footage. Slater is merely the crazy tool of the National Research Unit. They’re obviously behind most of the interesting material that Farrar and Slater release* and these put-up videos are no exception (Slater gets the stuff Farrar turns down).

    Now, my comrades in the media, here’s a real story for you: how National uses proxies to run up false, muckraking media stories while appearing to keep its hands clean. It might take some actual research…..

    Read more….

    • miravox 13.1

      Nice, Morrissey.

      Not much more to say really, except come back Marty G. I liked those graphs and things that you did too.

      Seriously, I have missed the Marty G posts. I appreciate the authors here very much, but Marty G occupied a rather unique space that has yet to be filled.

    • Anne 13.2

      The sheer disgrace is that four years and one revealing book later the obnoxious worm is still at it, and many in the media are still accessing his discredited stories for public consumption and indeed associating with him.

  14. Morrissey 14

    The right wing in Britain hates democracy, Russell Brand—and Russia

    Over the last few days the Murdoch empire has been expressing jubilation over the fall in the value of the rouble. But, as this article points out, British state media like the Sun and the BBC should take a closer look….

  15. “..Could cannabis oil reverse the effects of cancer?..

    ..a film following six patients receiving the controversial treatment is released..”



    • (further to above..)

      “..growing scientific research now suggests that cannabis oil may also possess anti-cancer properties that help stem the growth of malignant tumours.

      The crème-de-la-creme is seen as 1:1 oils – which contain equal amounts of THC and CBD –

      – which,when combined – are more effective.

      CBD also has the added benefit of moderating the psychoactive effects of THC..”

      • The Al1en 15.1.1

        Twice in a week 🙄

      • phillip ure 15.1.2

        (and further to above..)

        “..These trials can’t come soon enough – believes Peter McCormick – a lecturer in Cell Biology at the School of Pharmacy at the University of East Anglia –

        – who earlier this year found that THC could help combat the growth of cancerous cells.

        “There are hundreds of reports out there and I do get concerned about them being written off as some anomaly –

        – or people trying to push recreational drugs into a legalised setting.

        The reality is that there are plenty of cases where cannabinoids do seem to be doing something –

        – and our study is further evidence that more research needs to be done..”

        • The Al1en

          🙄 For balance. Wall of text alert.


          We often see websites with long lists of scientific papers claiming that cannabis is a “cure” for various cancers. However, when we look at the detail of the data and the experimental detail of the research, it becomes clear that although they may be interesting and build evidence to show that cannabinoids may one day bring benefits for cancer patients, they are far from being a cure.

          The main point to realise is that virtually all these studies have been done in cancer cells grown in the lab or in animals. These are quite artificial systems and are much less complex than a real cancer growing in a patient.

          For example, most experiments with cells grown in the lab use cancer cells that were originally taken from a tumour many years ago, but have been grown for a long time in the lab – known as cell lines. One problem with such cells is that they are all very similar on a genetic and molecular level, but we know that in real cancers, the cells can be very different from each other and respond in different ways to treatments. Also the usual way of testing cannabinoids in animals has been done by transplanting cancer cells (either mouse or human) into mice. Usually only a small number (5-20) will be used for each experiment.

          There’s growing evidence that these particular kinds of models (known as xenografts) aren’t as good at suggesting a treatment could work, compared to more sophisticated genetically engineered animals, as they don’t accurately represent the situation in real tumours. So although these kinds of experiments can point towards useful approaches, as well as revealing the underlying molecular ‘nuts and bolts’ of what’s going on, they can’t tell us if something will definitely treat cancer effectively and safely in human patients. They do not “prove that cannabis cures cancer”, as the headlines would have us believe.

          Put simply, Petri dishes are not people.

          • phillip ure

            from yr link..

            “..But that’s the lab – what about clinical research involving people with cancer? Results have been published from only one clinical trial testing whether cannabinoids can treat cancer in patients, led by Dr Manuel Guzman and his team in Spain. Nine people with advanced, terminal glioblastoma multiforme – an aggressive brain tumour – were given highly purified THC through a tube directly into their brain.

            Eight people’s cancers showed some kind of response to the treatment, and one didn’t respond at all. All the patients died within a year, as might be expected for people with cancer this advanced.

            The results from this study show that THC given in this way is safe and doesn’t seem to cause significant side effects. But because this was an early stage trial, without a control group, it’s impossible to say whether THC helped to extend their lives. And while it’s certainly not a cure, the trial results suggest that cannabinoids are worth pursuing in clinical trials..”

            did you even read it..?

            ..and yr link is from 3 yrs ago..

            ..mine is from today..

            ..and that can be a lifetime in medical research..

            (doh..!..what’s the emoji for looking like a fucken idiot..?

            ..shouldn’t you be using that one..?..)

            • The Al1en

              From my link – Did you even read it? 🙄 😆

              [Please note – we are updating this blog post regularly as new research is published.]
              Kat Arney – July 4, 2014 – Additional information:

              As I wrote, my response is for balance, so not going to get in to a debate with you, which you’ll withdraw from in an unseemly manner anyway. But soon as there’s proof there’s a cure for cancer, what ever cures it, I’m sure we’ll all know about it without having to resort to the deliberately disingenuous.

              At the moment cancer research uk trumps the The daily mail or Independant or Guardian or whoever, even you, believe it or not 😆

              • (i repeat..did you even fucken read it..?..yr own link..?..)

                “..the trial results suggest that cannabinoids are worth pursuing in clinical trials..”

                what does yr small ever-fizzing brain take those words to mean..?..

                ..(take yr time..!..)

                • The Al1en

                  Well you clearly didn’t if you missed the amendment notice with this years date and claim it’s three years old 😉 😆

                  If you have a problem with the added conclusions of the blog writer, (hint – it’s at the bottom of the page, which unlike me, you haven’t read all the way down to) contact her and seek clarification as to why she would write conflicting information, though reality is she does preface your ‘proof’ with “Results have been published from only one clinical trial”.

                  Other than that, I have nothing else for you 🙂

                  • and you really need to check yr sources a bit closer..

                    ..it has the correct sounding (‘impartial’) name..

                    ..’cancer research uk’..

                    ..but it is actually a give-us-money!-site..

                    ..what some might call a scam..

                    ..and it’s certainly not what you are trying to claim it is..

                    ..you are such a buffoon/fool..!

                    ..aren’t you..?

                    “..Other than that, I have nothing else for you..”

                    • The Al1en

                      “..but it is actually a give-us-money!-site….what some might call a scam..”

                      🙄 Cancer research UK a scam. Er, okay, but only a idiot would write it down.

                    • The Al1en


                      “Cancer Research UK is a cancer research and awareness charity in the United Kingdom,[3] formed on 4 February 2002 by the merger of The Cancer Research Campaign and the Imperial Cancer Research Fund.[4] Its aim is to reduce the number of deaths from cancer. As the world’s largest independent cancer research charity[5][6] it conducts research into the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of the disease. Research activities are carried out in institutes, universities and hospitals across the UK, both by the charity’s own employees and by its grant-funded researchers. It also provides information about cancer and runs campaigns aimed at raising awareness of the disease and influencing public policy.”

                      “On 18 July 2012 it was announced that Cancer Research UK was to receive its largest ever single donation of £10 million from an anonymous donor. The money will go towards the £100 million funding needed for the Francis Crick Institute in London, the largest biomedical research building in Europe.”

                      “In the financial year 2010/11 the charity spent £332 million on cancer research projects (around 69% of its total income for that year). The bulk of the remaining costs were spent on trading and fundraising costs, with a small amount also spent on information services, campaigning and advocacy, administration, on other activities, or held in reserve.”

                      Those bastard scammers 🙄

                      “In June 2011 Cancer Research UK was one of several health charities (along with the British Heart Foundation, the Alzheimer’s Society and Parkinson’s UK) targeted by the animal rights organisation Animal Aid in a publicity campaign involving a series of advertisements in British newspapers urging members of the public to stop giving donations to organizations that fund medical research involving animal experiments.”

                      Aaaah, get it now 🙄

                      See those bits

                      “and you really need to check yr sources a bit closer..”
                      “..but it is actually a give-us-money!-site….what some might call a scam….and it’s certainly not what you are trying to claim it is..”
                      “..you are such a buffoon/fool..!…aren’t you..?”


                    • yr modus operandi is the same as p.g..

                      ..never answer when called..

                      .and just dive off to some other/fussy/carping/nagging point/angle..

                      ..fuck off..!..tr*ll..!..

                      ..u.r. back on ignore..

                    • The Al1en

                      “yr modus operandi is the same as p.g….never answer when called…and just dive off to some other/fussy/carping/nagging point/angle….fuck off..!..tr*ll..!….u.r. back on ignore..”

                      ” so not going to get in to a debate with you, which you’ll withdraw from in an unseemly manner anyway. ”

                      Off to buy a lotto powerball ticket. If they do a knucklehead version, I’ll get one for you. 🙂

                    • greywarshark

                      What a pain you two are The Allen and phillip ure.
                      From now on I think everyone should address you as they start off as buffoon or fool.

                      On another comment there is a report about Gaza being bombed by the Israelis. Two peoples having a real war over land life and everything. And yet you practice those techniques of attack and mock, get under the skin, mock, then back to attack and mock.

                      You should not practice this on a site where people are trying to cut through this bullshit. There is enough already going on in our society and all over the world. Yet you bring on your petty name-calling that is right at the start of conflicts. Calll each other out if you get annoyed, and then leave it alone, still unresolved. Agree to differ semi-politely. Because going on and on just makes this boring comment seem deja vu.

  16. b waghorn 16

    Trying to work out how to link ,this is about how through a breeding blip lic think they have descovered a way that will keep cows milking in tropical areas and cope with global warming. Its under the title hot and hairy

  17. joe90 18

    More misery.

    Mohammed Omer  @Mogaza · 5h 5 hours ago

    Unconfirmed report from medics: one killed in last #Israeli airstrike on #Gaza
    0 replies 107 retweets 26 favorites

    Mohammed Omer  @Mogaza · 5h 5 hours ago

    Drones and F16s I did not miss you in #Gaza
    0 replies 72 retweets 28 favorites

    Mohammed Omer  @Mogaza · 5h 5 hours ago

    Bombing #Gaza now
    0 replies 148 retweets 28 favorites

    Mohammed Omer  @Mogaza · 5h 5 hours ago

    F16s are flying overheads now! What is the next target? #GazaUnderAttack
    0 replies 122 retweets 25 favorites

    Mohammed Omer  @Mogaza · 5h 5 hours ago

    electricity wires have been cut after #Israeli airstrikes on south #Gaza Strip
    0 replies 124 retweets 30 favorites

  18. batweka 19

    An atheist, a vegan, a libertarian, and a BMW owner walk into a bar…

    I only know because they told everyone in the bar within 2 minutes.


    (h/t twitter)

  19. joe90 20

    Where Harper goes…..

    Alternatives and 52 other charities have been caught in a net created by the 2012 federal budget, when the Harper government gave the revenue agency millions of dollars to audit the political activities of key charities. The initiative coincided with provocative comments by cabinet ministers painting environmental groups as “radicals” and “money launderers.”

    The first wave of 10 audits targeted environment charities, most of whom oppose the government’s promotion of energy pipelines and the oilsands, but later audit waves expanded to include anti-poverty, human-rights and international aid groups.




  20. greywarshark 21

    @ joe90
    I tried the cbc link but it seemed to have difficulty in loading. The globeandmail report referred to poverty a lot and how preventing it wasn’t on, though alleviating it was, and I wondered have they defined poverty. It is a generic term. There seemed a poverty of facts about the actual measurement by Canada of what income and life circumstances constitute poverty! So how can they talk about it so glibly?

    Certainly whenever you mention wealth there are people pouring out of the woodwork talking themselves out of being wealthy or rich. Years ago when I and partner built a house it was about 10 times the lowest wage, about !0,000 pounds all up or say, $25-30,000. Now $40,000 is a lowish wage so 10 times, would give $400,000 for a nice 3/br city house. Not many around, lucky to find a 2 bedroom unit on handkerchief section for that.

    People who have had to pay double $400,000, can well feel poor with not much to spend. Hard isn’t it, to understand real poverty when individuals are concentrated on themselves and house prices are inflated by lax government input to contain demand and inflationary subsidies to landlords. The subsidies should have gone to cheap loans to encourage savings and good financial health of individuals. Though economic activity might have fallen without the push for the consumer society. When we looked in our financial mirrors we wouldn’t see the image of the fairest country of all, as Blinglish is always portraying.

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