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Open Mike 21/09/2018

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  1. cleangreen 1

    So much for new technology to keep us secure eh?

    https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-facial-recognition-thinks-28-congressmen-look-like-known-criminals-at-default-settings/

    Amazon facial recognition mistakenly confused 28 Congressmen with known criminals

    Amazon is trying to sell its Rekognition facial recognition technology to law enforcment, but the American Civil Liberties Union doesn’t think that’s a very good idea. And today, the ACLU provided some seemingly compelling evidence — by using Amazon’s own tool to compare 25,000 criminal mugshots to members of Congress.
    Sure enough, Amazon’s tool thought 28 different members of Congress looked like people who’ve been arrested.

  2. Carolyn_Nth 2

    Bernard Hickey doesn’t hold back – telling greedy property owners, pollies and others resistant to change that they are the problem.

    “Dear young renters: you are sooo toast”

    I write this with a sort of tired certainty of having seen this all before. Time and again, I’ve looked deep into the dark heart of our political economy and seen nothing but greed, constructed confusion, obfuscation, selfishness and an unbreakable desire by older property owners never to give up what they believe is rightfully theirs. We’ve had this debate many times before and property owners simply don’t want things to change. It has made them one trillion dollars richer over the last 20 years, and they didn’t pay a cent of tax on that unearned capital gain. It was like manna from heaven, or a lotto win. No one is taking that back gently.

    Only raw political power will change that. No amount of working groups and sage advice and economic modeling will change that.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1

      That’s a good article.

    • SPC 2.2

      Given most of these older voters vote National, Labour should be bold.

      1. CGT from 1 April 2021, ALL non prime residence property sold after then subject to CGT – income assessed based on historic purchase price.

      2. As a CGT on residential property is too hard (no one in the world does it – because when people move they would have to pay a CGT which lowers their equity in their next property purchased) do what others do – leave it to end of life – estate taxation.

      3. End payment of super to those still working.

      • Andre 2.2.1

        The US still has capital gains tax on primary residences. It used to actually have teeth and be broad enough based that it captured most sales of primary residences. I paid CGT on my primary residence sale in 1996, so it’s not impossible to implement one that works. But by now it’s apparently been so weakened with exemptions and loopholes that most primary residence transactions aren’t affected.

        Rather than exempting primary residences from CGT, the better way to alleviate the equity problem you mentioned is to have a rollover provision.

        Say your first house cost $500k. You then sell a few years later for $800k and buy a new place for $1000k. Without a rollover, and a tax rate of 33%, you would have a $100k tax bill, and a cost basis for your new place of $1000k. But with a rollover, you would not pay any tax now, and the cost basis for your new place is $700k (your original $500k plus the extra $200k you’ve paid to upgrade). You’ve effectively deferred tax on that $300k of capital gain to a later date, such as when it’s time to start downsizing, or (God forbid) it’s your estate dealing with your taxes.

  3. Pete 3

    Judith Collins’ sprays yesterday about recompense for those unfairly chucked out of Housing NZ homes suggests she is again positioning herself as the bulldog strong alternative to the simple wobbly-mouthed one. (No pun intended with the female dog reference.)

    • cleangreen 3.1

      yes Pete;

      National firstly causes havoc,!!!!!!

      And then blames others for it, every time it seems clear.

    • alwyn 3.2

      “the simple wobbly-mouthed one”.
      That is a totally unacceptable way of describing the PM.
      Wash you mouth out.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.3

      Wasn’t one of the people complaining about ex-prisoners getting too much compensation after they were found not guilty of the crime that they’d been imprisoned for?

  4. Get over it – Māori have heard this a lot. I spose she’s here to try and help but…

    “Tel Aviv Foundation chief executive Hila Oren, who calls herself a “citymaker”, said in an interview with Stuff last week that the quakes were “not important at all”, and the city needed to “let it go” and get on with the future.

    The Christchurch Foundation, funded partly by the city council, used corporate sponsorship to cover the $35,000 costs* of Oren’s flights, accommodation and event costs for visit to the city from Israel where she is spending three months as a thinker in residence. Oren donated her time.”

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/107240956/controversial-thinkers-let-it-go-comment-branded-hurtful-and-insensitive

    • greywarshark 4.1

      WTF
      Any one of us could do as good a job. Thinker in residence? Just NZ cringe factor.
      Why from Israel though, what about one of the Scandinavian countries? Israel has trouble coping with its own thinking, we don’t want to import it here.

  5. SaveNZ 5

    What happened to warm dry housing for all?

    Or democracy for that matter in people’s communities… The size, scale and privatisation of shared land between properties to remove sun and privacy under the unitary plan is in full swing.

    Would never happen in the UK with 60 million people and tight planning rules to stop the greedy and stupid plans outside of public interest. I don’t even think it could happen in the US… Here in NZ we are rocketing towards planning stupidity, as well as some of the most expensive housing in the world and ones that have the stupidest planning and building regulations that consider everything ‘minor’ effect or not able to be allowed to be included as an effect.

    Why worry though, when it’s the homeowners themselves who are expected to sort out council and developers messes post and during development as developing is a ‘private’ non transparent activity is seems and the first anyone knows of the screw ups are when the builders arrive.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12128678

    • cleangreen 5.1

      Yes Save NZ; Goood points you raise here.

      The government seemed (under previous labour and national) to fully allow all motorways and truck routes to be built up against housing residential areas!!

      This simply allowed the truck noise, air pollution, and vibration to destroy our suburbs, from 24/7 truck freight noise, vibrations, air pollution to ruin the residential zones!!!!!

      https://www.pce.parliament.nz/media/pdfs/Hawkes-Bay-Expressway-Noise-and-air-quality-issues-June-2005.pdf

      So these ‘short term Governments’ need to wake up and relocate suburbs away from “industrial activities of road truck noise ect’ – roading planning’ before they try to make all homes ‘warm and dry’so make them also safe to occupy without traffic noise,vibration and air pollution as well.

      • Dukeofurl 5.1.1

        The napier hastings expressway land was reserved for the motorway before the houses were there

        • SaveNZ 5.1.1.1

          In Auckland we have the opposite problem. Apparently land earmarked for rail and with an existing rail line going from Helensville to Auckland CBD has had the council sell off a small strip of land in Kumeu near the rail way line, apparently and that’s why AT have decided it can’t be used… sounds like an excuse or something that should be rectified unless of course their a reason the council wants to blow hundreds of billions on new rail that has not been built yet and won’t be for years and divert all the people from North West Auckland (in a massive development housing spec situation at present) to Swanson and have them change trains instead of a quick easy 20 minute journey to the city by rail and take commuters off the road that could be done now????

        • cleangreen 5.1.1.2

          As usual Dukeofurl you are missing the main -points as to the real issues and reasons why labour Minster of transport Phil Twyford needs to come top Napier and fix their problem they made from 1961 till now.

          Fact;

          The Napier Hastings Motorway was designated in 1961-2 as a “commuter route for the people of Hastings to get to the Airport which the Labour Government awarded to Napier city and since Hastings lost it’s bad to have the airport at Hastings the government offered a “fig leaf to Hastings to build a motorway single lane road each way to the new airport at Napier.

          The Motorway was not designated as a major truck route nor was it designed for trucks.

          So you don’t appear to understand this fact yet, – this was now meant to have been a truck route get that????

          PCE found the same conclusion that the Motorway was planned at another time when we had few heavy vehicles on our roads as rail carried 70% of our entire freight not roads.

          https://www.pce.parliament.nz/media/pdfs/Hawkes-Bay-Expressway-Noise-and-air-quality-issues-June-2005.pdf

          Read the PCE report for Christ sake I am astounded you didn’t read it first.

          Since then when road took over freight the trouble appeared and now is getting worse every year.

          HBRC in 2003 admitted the road was never planned when environmental issues were so strong as today so they need to protact the residents against the traffic emissions now since they need to stop blaming who was right and who was wrong.

          here are the PCE Environmental report after they studied the problems.

          HBRC “Murray Buchannan” see below blamed NCC for allowing homes to be built so close to what then was a 50kms road with few heavy trucks but since then the designation has gone through many changes to allow now four times the numbers of heavy trucks to the port of Napier.

          “HB Today article 25th February 2003 “Residents ask help from Council.”

          Abridged. The Citizens has asked the HBRC to consider the traffic effects of air quality and noise caused from the traffic using the overbridge which is to be completed later this year. Under the regional land transport Strategy the council is obliged to consider the environmental effects of any new traffic route.
           
          The problem has arisen because prior to the expressway construction the Napier City council allowed residential development to abut the proposed road.
           
          “The decision was unwise and made when environmental concerns were not as strong, and awareness of the consequences was much lower”, a council report by Environmental manager Murray Buchanan states.
           
          “Whatever the case, there is no point trying to debate the rights and wrongs of the case as the road is there along with the houses. The only option is to limit the effects of the road on residents.”

          PCE ruling;
           
          5.3 Residential development near the
          expressway
          The expressway’s designation originally passed through mainly rural land –
          the limit of residential development was well clear of the designation. The
          Napier City Council has progressively zoned for residential development on
          both sides of the expressway corridor. Residential development now lies
          close to about a fifth of the expressway’s length. Many houses are close to
          the expressway and several hundred people reside within 60 metres of it.
          These residential areas were designed and built with very little effective
          protection from the adverse effects of expressway traffic. This is testament
          to past approaches to urban and transport planning being quite different to
          those that prevail today.
          5.4 Changes in traffic movement
          Traffic in and around Napier has grown significantly since 1964. Much of
          this is heavy vehicle traffic associated with the Port of Napier. Increasing
          levels of road traffic have been exacerbated by the decline in the movement
          of freight by rail. It has been estimated that heavy goods vehicle (HGV)
          traffic to and from the port will almost double by 2026.19 Vehicle traffic
          movement elsewhere in the region has also grown significantly since
          the 1960s

  6. RedLogix 6

    I suspect that it will be not available in NZ, but if anyone gets the chances to watch Series 5 of Rake starring Richard Roxhurgh it’s absolutely the best political satire around at the moment:

    Season four of Rake ended on a cliff-hanger with Greene finding out he’d been elected to the Senate, and Roxburgh says taking the show in the new direction has opened up plenty of storylines.

    Still, he jokes there are some places even he won’t go.

    “I don’t think Rake is ready for Barnaby [Joyce]. We have to draw the line somewhere,” he says.

    In talking about the show Roxburgh slips seamlessly between playing himself and speaking as Greene — “I find it very easy to drift into Cleaver” — which can make it hard to pinpoint exactly who you’re talking to.

    So when asked whether Greene would make an improvement on the current group of Australian senators, Roxburgh appears to have his tongue planted firmly in cheek.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-17/richard-roxburgh-on-ending-his-role-as-rakes-cleaver-greene/10131706

    The script writers are brutally funny.

    • lprent 6.1

      Great. .. I am sure that I can get it somewhere.

      I really did enjoy Rake.

    • greywarshark 6.2

      Interesting how abc all the time I was listening to Roxburgh, played a little random jingle over and over. Sort of like being in an adult nursery. Do they think that they are so boring, that people expressing thoughts is too hard for the average joe, that we need accompanying music or noise? behind the speech to keep interested, or even stop us from falling asleep? i have noticed this invasive elevator music creeping in but I don’t find it uplifting.

  7. SPC 7

    Oh wow, just wow.

    Grant Robertson is not ruling out tax cuts in 2020, nothing says more about whether Labour is going to fight to make a difference to the deliberate under funding of government capability by National than this.

    Apparently it is prepared to go about it very slowly – because where are people who want improved funding going to go?

    • esoteric pineapples 7.1

      I guess they are not beyond thinking bribing voters wins their votes

    • mac1 7.2

      SPC, this is what Robertson is quoted to have said.

      “One of the things we’ve written and asked the group to do is to come back to us with a package which is as we say revenue neutral so the amount of tax in the system as whole doesn’t change,” Robertson said on NewstalkZB.

      I’s suggest that from whom the revenue comes from might change.

      Also, it has to be said that this a bit like reading the tea leaves. The cup of tea from which such interpretations may be drawn has not yet even had the leaves grown yet, let alone been brewed.

      Of course Robertson is going to say essentially nothing about tax changes when the still interim report has just been published.

      • veutoviper 7.2.1

        Well said, mac1.

        Robertson has not given any indications and would be mad to do so, on the basis of an interim report only which has yet to be considered by – amongst other groups – Cabinet. as certain other Labour Ministers have been reminded just this week. LOL.

        • SPC 7.2.1.1

          He has, he has given in to calls on the right that the tax package will be revenue neutral. That is a Cabinet collective decision, inferred now.

      • SPC 7.2.2

        Yes, Robertson has committed to NOT improving funding for government by increasing revenues by finally taxing some of the currently untaxed income.

        Thus what way does he afford it?

        By borrowing. No – committment to get debt to GDP to 20%.
        Out of growth. Not quickly – because of a committment to keep government spending to below 30% fo GDP.

        It’s fiscal policy means it intends to be National-lite.

        FFS, the bright-line regime is voluntary as IR has made no efffort to collect it, no change under the current government.

        Fiscally we are on bi-partisan neo-liberal auto-pilot. Where compliant obedience to economic orthodoxy is put before the peoples well-being.

        There are two bold moves that could yet change this, but neither are likely given the timidity so far.

        1. Stop paying super to those over 65 still working – $3Bpa available to government from this.

        2. Instead of funding $2Bpa into the Cullen Fund from tax revenues, take 1% from the employee and 1% from the employer for this.

        • mac1 7.2.2.1

          “1. Stop paying super to those over 65 still working – $3Bpa available to government from this.”

          Not a question of timidity, but of utter foolhardiness to try that one.

          2. Instead of funding $2Bpa into the Cullen Fund from tax revenues, take 1% from the employee and 1% from the employer for this.

          In other words create another tax? More foolhardiness, not as much but electorally risky.

          • SPC 7.2.2.1.1

            Labour was re-elected in 1987 after placing a surtax on all income earnt by those on super. And that was manifestly unfair because it included private super and other savings income.

            What you do not seem to realise is that already most over 65 vote National because Labour’s WFF tax cut preference to across the board tax cuts means the super amount paid is lower. Labour has already risked more votes (and paid the price) doing this than by the measure I suggest here.

            What is going to happen on the current path, is Labour will get some CGT revenue and then give those over 65 and still working a super payment increase (from the tax cut).

            Both stupid and unjust.

            If they do not ask more of the more privileged of the older haves, why should younger voters (with whom they have a chance) vote for them?

          • SPC 7.2.2.1.2

            And it is not foolish to have a reliance on budget surpluses to afford inputs to the Cullen Fund?

            We know that under English there were 9 years without inputs because of this – it’s not a sane way to provide for a known future rise in cost.

            It’s like providing for earthquake insurance for homeowners out of tax revenues rather than premiums. Reckless.

            • Chuck 7.2.2.1.2.1

              Stop paying super to those over 65 still working; apart from costing votes for Labour, it would also breach a core NZF bottom line (while Winston is still around anyway).

              Agree to rely on budget surpluses is fraught with danger.

              Increasing the age for super would be a start.

              I was very surprised that Robertson has indicted any tax changes will be revenue neutral. He must be pinning his hopes on growing the tax base (shit that is what I expect a National finance minister to say).

        • lprent 7.2.2.2

          One of the reasons that the IRD has been kind of sluggish over the last two decades is because their computer system was essentially state of the art in 1975. But that just meant that the targeting was only really capable to looking at the PAYE level of avoidance. Which is why the majority of the tax take fell on PAYE rather than businesses.

          They are now going to be able to both collect and analyze more data on the cash, deductions, and avoidance economies. All of the assorted bumf is going to be much easier to highlight from the pack. For instance the redline rort is easily detectable with access to the companies office data and land info.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12029264

          It is going to cause a reformation in bookkeeping similar to that caused by the introduction of GST, and including the same benefits like actually knowing when you don’t have a real business but are really running a tax avoidance rort. You wouldn’t believe the numbers of business people who have delusions about how competent they really are.

          And in tax disputes, the taxpayer must disprove an IR allegation. That means increased record-keeping is required, creating an increased compliance cost for all businesses if they are to prove their innocence. Items not previously recorded, such as loss, inefficiency, wastage or theft, may now be vital. So taxpayers must carry the cost of proving their innocence when the computer concludes they are out of line with what it knows based on anonymous and hypothetical models.

          Incidentally, have a look at the GamePlanet conversation around that article.
          https://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/524211-IRD-s-new-computer-system

  8. esoteric pineapples 8

    In an interesting comment I read recently in regards to 1080, someone pointed out that one of the reasons trapping never works as an alternative is because trappers are inclined to keep possum numbers at a level that make them reasonably easy to catch in accessible areas. I thought this story regarding Tahr reflects the same sort of philosophy:

    “In the last couple of decades recreational, safari, and commercial hunters have lobbied for the management of tahr numbers to be left mainly to their own efforts,” said Forest & Bird’s Regional Manager for Canterbury, Nicky Snoyink.

    “Leaving the main management of tahr numbers in the hands of the hunting community has led to the out-of-control population increases. Instead of a population of 10,000 animals we now have a population of over 35,000 tahr on public conservation land and probably closer to 50,000 when non-conservation land is taken into account – five times the maximum population required by the Tahr Control Plan,” she said.

    “While recreational hunting has a role in pest control, it is essential that we do not hand over conservation management to the hunters. Time after time we have learnt that recreational hunting is not up to the task of achieving the desired conservation goals.”

    “Because of the past failures of recreational and commercial hunting we now need to reduce tahr numbers by 80 percent. If the hunting organisations were genuine in their claims that they want to look after the environment they would support DOC’s proposals rather than opposing them,’ says Ms Snoyink.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12128057

  9. Scary – wtf is going on

    “Sixteen children are ill at Carterton’s South End School – reportedly after a low-flying plane released an unknown substance.”

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wairarapa/107281930/school-children-sick-after-plane-drops-toxin-over-carterton-school

    • Gabby 10.1

      1080?

    • corodale 10.2

      The world is getting stranger by the day!

      Defense Minister Ron Mark said it appeared a plane had “accidentally sprayed the schools with pesticide”!

      Emergency incident controller Lockyer said, “…unsubstantiated and more unlikely than likely”…

    • greywarshark 10.3

      It could be some dealing at the school by a juvenile entrepreneur, or just sharing out their mother’s cooking. Best to wait before offering possibilities.

  10. OnceWasTim 11

    I fell asleep to the @Dukeofearl (THANK CHRIST!) . It was a bit of a nanna nap, but thanks anyway Duke.

    I woke up to ‘The Panel’. Actually, it was the pre-cum (15:45) for the benefit of the Duke and his ilk. Tum was filling in for Jum

    I’m wondering if any of them realise just how self-fucking-indulgent they are.
    All that’s wrong with PSB and what they think is the definition of it.

  11. Morrissey 12

    “In the deep end with Ruth Money!” guffaws Tim Watkin.
    This dog of a program was today as offensive as it’s ever been.

    The Panel, RNZ National, Friday 21 Sept. 2018
    Tim Watkin, Peter Fa’afiu, Ruth Money, Caitlin Cherry

    The alarm bells started ringing as soon as I heard that Ruth Money, from the outré and discredited S.S. Trust was going to be on the show. And sure enough, straight after the 4 o’clock news, Tim Watkin introduced her by burbling vacuously: “Victims’ advocate and first-time member of the Panel, Ruth Money….”

    First topic for discussion was Meka Whaitiri’s alleged assault of an employee….

    TIM WATKIN: Ruth, you’re a victims’ advocate. How would you deal with this?

    RUTH MONEY: Once again the victim has not got a voice. What about the victim? All we’ve heard about is the alleged perpetrator. I feel like at least an advocate’s voice should have been acting for the, uh, …..[continues talking with marginal coherence]….

    Later, talking to Bryce Edwards about the travails of the coalition government, Watkin added to the ugly and irresponsible tone of the show by endorsing Jacinda Ardern’s morally bankrupt decision to keep our military “trainers” in Iraq…

    TIM WATKIN: There has been some tidying up going on. You can toss the Iraq deployment in with that, too…

    A brief discussion about the Friends of Sherwood’s opposition to 1080 being dropped in Auckland ended with Watkin reading out an email from a listener: “If the Friends of Sherwood are conservationists, then I can call myself a farmer.” This elicited supportive snorts from Money and Fa’afiu. No doubt many listeners thought bitterly of the obvious addition to that statement, viz., IF THE S.S. ARE VICTIMS’ ADVOCATES, THEN LEIGHTON SMITH IS A LEADING THINKER, AND DONALD TRUMP IS A STABLE GENIUS.

    After the 4:30 news, Tim Watkin mentioned the incredible, cloth-eared decision to have the shit pop band Maroon 5 play the halftime show at the Super Bowl in Atlanta. This elicited what will probably be the most embarrassing statement to have been uttered on any radio station anywhere this year….

    PETER FA’AFIU: I love Maroon 5. I think Adam Levien is a great singer!

    For her Soapbox contribution, Money called herself “Ruth the Victim’s Advocate” before embarking on a rant about psychiatric patients, and denouncing what she called “therapeutic culture” which to her mind “endangers public safety.” She said she’s working to “increase rights of victims, tidy that up….”

    Neither Watkin nor Fa’afiu commented on the gross obscenity, the vicious irony of someone like Money calling herself “Ruth the Victims’ Advocate.”

    ad nauseam…

    More on Ruth Money’s appalling and disgusting organization ….

    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/noelle-mccarthy-swallowed-vomit-for-15.html

    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/why-is-national-radio-or-anyone-still.html

  12. Gabby 13

    God forbid dangerous lunatics be kept away from prospective victims morrsisey. Ruth might think that we’re regulated by smug callous bureaucrats. Why, she’s practically Satan.

    • Monty 13.1

      Ruth is a dear friend of mine and works tirelessly for the rights of victims and with victims of crime. How dare you call her Satan, I bet if your the victim of a crime you would bless her for what she would do for you behind the scenes and the time she would give you.

      • Gabby 13.1.1

        Careful Monty, Morrsisey will put your name on ze list too.

      • Morrissey 13.1.2

        Ruth is a dear friend of mine and works tirelessly for the rights of victims and with victims of crime.

        ??? Then what on earth is she doing in that disgusting, discredited organization?

        I bet if your [sic] the victim of a crime you would bless her for what she would do for you behind the scenes and the time she would give you.

        Please ask your “dear friend” to tell you exactly how her S.S. Trust worked behind the scenes after the stabbing to death of a young boy in Manurewa ten years ago.

      • greywarshark 13.1.3

        That was hyperbole Monty. You find it here sometimes. We are allowed to criticise your friends and colleagues. You are allowed to correct the excess, but saying don’t ‘dare’ speak wildly is not the way to go.

    • Morrissey 13.2

      Gabby, you DO know that she is in the S.S. Trust, do you not? (I note that Watkin was careful not to mention that this afternoon, no doubt at her behest.)

  13. Gabby 14

    And how fucking DARE they not share your musical taste. Bastards.

    • Morrissey 14.1

      Peter Fa’afiu’s lamentably bad taste in music reflects his commentary: smug, ill informed, complacent and bland.

      • greywarshark 14.1.1

        Morrissey – You are a valid person to comment on someone’s smugness, drawing from your own experience. And what is the SS Trust – oh I remember that first call for comment group on anything, the Sensible Sentencing Trust. They don’t sound sensible in their ideas. Why can’t we hear from one of the churches, like the Salvation Army, with a vast experience of trying to guideand help people morally and compassionately?

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