Businesses paying minimum wage which are not prepared a man a decent days pay for a decent days work, are now going to strip the workers of tea breaks etc?
Bugger them and everyone who supports them.
More people should give up on employers and go on the friggin’ dole. Employers like this deserve shit all.
Or take a leaf from the great propagandists of our time (the Koch brothers), rename the union subs “rates” and call them “Ratepayers Associations” – and confuse the hell out of everyone.
Funny that implementing measures directed against their own citizens appears to be the main mode of dealing with this “terrorism” BS. You might almost think there was another actual agenda going on.
It’s worrying that this govt are so keen to lock doors across the country based on the actions of solitary nutters or dicks on the other side of the planet.
Why is Canada so shocked that people want to attack its soldiers?
And how the word "terrorism" is now a propaganda term for anything the state doesn't like – and for justifying anything under the sun the state decides to do.
Quite agree with you Phil, Prof Colin Campbell is a well respected scientist. The film Forks over Knives is available from your library and when it was shown at cinemas around the world was responsible for many people changing to a plant based diet.
He, along with other top researchers who advocate a plant based diet should be listened to.
Reverse cancer by diet is like reverse cancer by prayers.
Sad.
“The researchers say: ‘Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment.”
Vegetarians are ‘less healthy’ and have a poorer quality of life than meat-eaters
Vegetarians visit their doctors more often and are more prone to allergies
They also have ‘a 50% increased risk of both heart attacks and cancer’
They are also more likely to develop depression and anxiety disorders
But vegetarians tend to be more active and less likely to drink and smoke
from yr source/’evidence’..(from cbs..atlanta..written by some hack..)
“..However, the researchers do caution that continuing studies will be needed to substantiate some of the rather broad dietary distinctions, associations presented in this current research…”
..’rather broad’ being the key words..you’d think..?
(and..)
“..The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notes that healthy diets rich in fruits and vegetables may reduce the risk of cancer and other chronic diseases for all dietary groups..”
Not my daily mail and the data isn’t theirs from a hack journo.
Just read the pdf, veggie.
It’s no surprise you don’t agree with the findings as they completely rubbish the ‘reverse cancer’ crap from your personal hero.
I advise you to collect all the ‘supporting’ data you can, even from saddos like above and base your opinion on that. That won’t be one eyed and disingenuous at all.
whoare lol
Vegetarians also eat a lot of dairy which is the point that Prof Campbell makes.
A vegan diet has been shown to improve health in many people. There have been many long term studies on this, the SDA church have carried out many such studies all of which were favourable to a vegan diet.
The diet also gives a 100% guarantee that you are personally doing your bit to prevent animal cruelty.
I can’t see that people with a vegan diet have superior outcomes to people with a vegeterian diet. With the proviso that high levels of dairy intake is dangerous to human health.
“Red meat and processed meat often have a high fat content, so if you eat them too often you could get fat – which has been shown to be a risk factor for several cancers, including breast cancer and colorectal cancer. A more accurate report would focus on how obesity as a whole can increase risk for cancer.”
In response to your unbalanced account I googled ‘false health scares’ and it was top link.
Again, you seem to attack the messenger and not the message, so in response I’ll repeat in case it hasn’t sunk in yet.
“Red meat and processed meat often have a high fat content, so if you eat them too often you could get fat – which has been shown to be a risk factor for several cancers, including breast cancer and colorectal cancer. A more accurate report would focus on how obesity as a whole can increase risk for cancer.”
That’s laughable from a man who claims as his hero an old fuck who thinks not eating meat can reverse cancer as his proof and evidence.
You are quite within your rights to refute the facts, but you are so out on the extremist edge, your conclusions, skewered and slanted as they are, aren’t worth the price of the electrons they’re printed on.
To be fair that sounds more like a description of yourself, but whatever works for you.
Has to be remembered though, I haven’t ever claimed or advocated one can reverse cancer by abstaining from eating meat. That would be nuts.
“..(an obvious authority..!..)”
Yes it’s true. I can suss out a vested interest nutjob easy as.
“..who to believe..?”
I’m guessing you’ll go with the old fuck charlatan claiming he can reverse cancer by not eating meat.
Devoted aint you?
Leaving the racism aside, If you have exact data scientifically on par with the Austrian study that makes your point, show it.
“..(and u do know i am not paying foil-overtime-rates..eh..?..this is all on yr own time..)”
I did note note the much higher levels of mental health issues affecting non meat eaters.
With smoking pot, that’s an enormous risk. Better have a double whopper with cheese and hope for the best.
False mass generalisation about a group of people based on their nationality. Sounds racist to me.
The extras like clown role, and being funny mean nothing to me.
I know why you do it, it’s predictable and ultimately it won’t work.
It weakens your paper thin argument even more.
Nope. You think it’s animal cruelty to practice animal husbandry full stop, how are you going to be impartial and differentiate about what constitutes cruelty and best practice?
You still haven’t got your head around it then.
How are you going to be impartial and differentiate about what constitutes cruelty and best practice?
Clue – You can’t.
Best practice isn’t pain and suffering or cruelty. Best practice keeps animals well fed and cared for until slaughtered.
The killing isn’t cruelty. It’s the end of the line and avoids us eating our meat while it’s alive, which I agree would be…Unlike animals like lions and tigers who gnaw down on wriggling prey. Buggers.
So not altering ‘what it is’ depends on whether ‘what it is’ is a bad thing or not.
Your extreme position precludes you from holding a common sense baseline position on the subject. What do you not understand about that? lol
Thank you for taking the time with this conversation debunking all theories on the relationship between diet and cancer that there is no evidence for.
Until there is evidence, they are all possible topics for worthy research (noting many theories based on anecdotal evidence have already been researched many times). Science (as compared to religion) never claims the absolute answer on anything.
There does appear to be some links between diet and cancer, and they add weight to similar advice for overcoming obesity: Moderation of every major food group; Maintain a healthy weight; Keep fit.
I will not criticise the actions of the terminally ill. Depending on how much individuals have prospered from trading in money, or investing in lotto, they may gain some temporary mental relief by throwing some of that excess wealth at an abundance of medical and religious charlatans. (An alternative approach may be to throw the same amount of money at medical research, that may benefit future generations … or other worthy causes such as improvements in animal husbandry?)
“There does appear to be some links between diet and cancer”
There sure is, and meat, like other food groups, should be taken in moderation.
“they may gain some temporary mental relief by throwing some of that excess wealth at an abundance of medical and religious charlatans. An alternative approach may be to throw the same amount of money at medical research, that may benefit future generations”
Let’s have them throwing dollars at getting well nourished kids in warm homes with a future to look forward to first.
Future generations would benefit from that right now.
“so..the fevered imaginings of the allen..+ the daily mail..+ an article in the star..from 2007..”
Or, and much less partisan and disingenuous
Institute of Social Medicine and Epidemiology, Medical University Graz, Graz, Austria
V
The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University..
“..i think it is more a case of what u want to believe/deny..eh..?”
That, my friend, is the irony moneyshot.
Want a tissue? lol
I think we’ve had our fair share of screen space with this one, save to say it’s nothing like tobacco and cancer warnings being laughed away by big money.
People have been eating meat since after adam ate all the apple pies and looked how marvellously resilient and adaptable a species we have become. Billions of meat eaters with a shared ancestry and an impressive increasing life expectancy say it aint so.
What we’re eating along with our recommended meat allowances, processed, refined, chemical sprayed, irradiated, added to and de-nutrionalised as it often is, is where I’d start looking for carcinogens and cancer causers in food with suspicious intent. But that’s an uneducated opinion I haven’t googled so I could be way off like you.
Have read similar elsewhere pu. Makes entire sense and we may well all wake up to it one day, like we have after being told thalidomide was safe.
One day in the future people will look back on us in the same way we look back at early surgeries and hospitals and shake our heads at the fuss that was raised when washing of hands was put in place in such institutions…. duh
How did “atom bombs” ever have ‘scientific support’ for healthy living?
I think you just made that whole list up, vto.
Can you please provide references for the “lines” that we were told on all of these promoting healthy living?
Some on the list still have legitimate use, depending on how they are used, where they are used, and how much is used: 1080, margarine, sugar, formaldehyde. (Two of these obviously not being used as foods)
“re atom bombs have you not seen any photos or information on people observing early atom bombings close at hand? Maralinga?”
Yes I have seen that but I am pretty sure it wasn’t because they thought they were safe. They were purposely exposing people to radiation they knew wasn’t safe in order to study the results.
Actually, without quibbling over individual items within your list, it was the weight of scientific evidence that demonstrated those things weren’t safe.
Otherwise we’d still be showing kids cartoons that say Laramie Smooths (with the healthy asbestos filter) are the best smoke to have after a growing child’s breakfast of coloured sugar gelatinised in lard.
That’s right – genuine scientific evidence, not some scientific evidence conjured up for some alternative commercial outcome as were the early “scientific” studies for each of those items.
So how do we know when scientific evidence is genuine and credible instead of something paid for and angled for a particular outcome? In Phil U’s case here – the science for and against the link between diet and cancer?
Do we have to look behind the research to see who is paying for it? Other hidden strings?
Perhaps we should ask our wise and considered PM John Key – he thinks that you can buy scientific research in order to suit particular outcomes.
Sometimes research is robust, genuine, credible, and still wrong – random result, or an unknown confounding effect.
It’s the weight of evidence overall that directs the conclusions. The more nuanced the association, the more evidence is needed. All the research is accounted for unless obviously fraudulent, incomplete/flawed, or demonstrated to be an aberration by the rest of the research in the field.
Who’s paying for it doesn’t always mean the findings are flawed – ISTR in the last few years that the Koch bros commissioned a report into AGW (which they argue doesn’t exist), only to have the lead author change his tune and say it exists. But what if he had the same level of integrity and found that something had been missed by the vast majority of scientists? They would have tried to find where he screwed up, but over time it would have become the consensus view that agw was nonexistent. It comes down to the quality of the research.
‘it was the weight of scientific evidence that demonstrated those things weren’t safe.’
Americans are lucky USA FDA commissioner Frances Kelsey did not subscribe to that view.
Dr Kelsey refused to approve thalidomide for use in America until it could be proved to be safe, despite pressure to do so.
She spared Americans the misery of the thalidomide birth defects by adopting the precautionary principle.
The official in charge of the FDA, Frances Oldham Kelsey, did not rely on information from the company which did not include any test results. Richardson-Merrell was called on to perform tests and report the results. The company refused and demanded approval six times, and was refused each time. Nevertheless, a total of 17 children with thalidomide-induced malformations were born.[57]
Don’t be disingenuous.
The point was Kelsey applied the precautionary principle while the evidence was gathered, which prevented people from being harmed. And that’s what ordinary people care about, not points on an academic scoreboard.
‘Nevertheless, a total of 17 children with thalidomide-induced malformations were born.’
Some people got the drug overseas, thus there was a few cases.
Actually, the point was that these days practical human knowledge is usually advanced by the accumulated weight of evidence in one direction or another, rather than one particular piece of research by one particular researcher.
I actually agree that (in general) drugs shouldn’t be used without thorough testing, and funnily enough thalidomide is a major justification for modern testing regimes.
There’s stronger processes on several levels now, but we need regulators who think for themselves, like Kelsey, more than ever.
I would commend Dr Alistair Humphrey of the CDHB in this respect, for this week opposing the proposed Selwyn nitrate levels, and recently breaking ranks on the MPI vegetable poisoning report.
By the way, Kelsey did not look at the evidence in totality when applying the precautionary principle. Her focus was one particular English study showing nervous system damage.
One scientific study can warrant the application of the precautionary principle.
Good god people, why so old fashioned? High development cost drugs require massive sales in the first few years to hit budgeted targets before patents run out. This namby pamby approach around waiting for more evidence and yet more evidence to come in is a nonsense when you have only a short time to get a drug to market and make it a blockbuster hit to recoup investor money and make a decent return.
Just do your final safety trial in the market is a good way to go: in that scenario everyone is a winner, investors make big bucks, researchers get more people in more settings to do their research on, patients get access to newer more effective drugs faster.
Prisoners serving time in the state of Pennsylvania can now be sued for speaking up from behind bars after Governor Tom Corbett signed into law this week the Revictimization Relief Act that legislatures rushed to approve only days earlier.
And the reason given is because the person behind bars has given enough to society that a university asked him to speak (via recording) to a few students.
the reserve bank says making people have 20% deposit has saved existing mortgage holders about 2% in interest rate hikes. it says the lvr stays until they are happy housing isnt fuelling inflation…
Meanwhile the town house across the road in a desirable part of town in good condition and with the price dropped sits vacant and unsold even though it is situated between two good secondary schools and an excellent primary. and within walking distance of the city. And the sellers have bought elsewhere and must be suffering, they would never have envisaged it sitting for so long. How has raising the deposit helped new house buyers, and people needing a house for their own use? That is the question that gummint should be asking when assessing the worth of this policy. The answer is negative value to them, and just continuing the stress on these people that the housing bubble has caused already.
A government lacking any idea or willingness to form policy that actually deals with our problems, it just sits on the seats in Parliament and their offices, making work for themselves and grooming future business partners, and collecting salary and perks.
And telling people how good they are, while they borrow money and perform SFC tricks in minor form every day. Keeping their supporters happy, is all they need to do. While we try and get a left team that can win. Unfortunately they are confused about which team they are playing for, and taking sidebets on performance!
I am thinking that those Labour caucus members who are uncomfortable with the values, policies,direction or colour red of Labour, and those that are disloyal to the party or its elected leader, and those that tritorously leak info to enemies and media, and those that bring the party into disrepute by their unwise public statements on TV etc, and those that favour Neo liberal RW agenda should all leave and start their own party. Here are some suggestions for such a party:
NAME : Federation Of Kiwi Rogue Socialists. [FOKRS]
COLOUR : Yellowish red with grey spots.
LEADER’S TITLE : The great pretender.
Not as satisfying as seeing Eric Prince before the courts would be but it’s a start.
Now, after a 10-week trial and 28 days of deliberation, a jury in Washington has found three of the men – Paul Slough, Evan Liberty and Dustin Heard – guilty of a total of 13 charges of voluntary manslaughter and a total of 17 charges of attempted manslaughter.
The fourth defendant, Slatten, who was alleged to have been first to open fire, was found guilty of a separate charge of first-degree murder. Slough, Liberty and Heard were found guilty of using firearms in relation to a crime of violence, a charge which can alone carry up to a 30-year mandatory sentence.
Just as with the systematic torture at Abu Ghraib, it is only the low level foot-soldiers of Blackwater that are being held accountable. Prince and other top Blackwater executives continue to reap profits from the mercenary and private intelligence industries. Prince now has a new company, Frontier Services Group, which he founded with substantial investment from Chinese enterprises. Among its areas of focus is the African continent. Prince recently suggested that his forces at Blackwater could have confronted Ebola and ISIS. “If the Administration cannot rally the political nerve or funding to send adequate active duty ground forces to answer the call, let the private sector finish the job,” Prince recently wrote.
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I am thinking that if the views of the majority of commentators on this site are representative of the views of members of the Labour Party (An assumption that may very well be wrong) then there is a serious disconnect between the Party Membership and the views of potential Labour voters.
In my opinion most of these voters do not significantly care about the differences between the agendas of party members and party caucus, if such differences exist. They simply have an expectation that those differences are (or should be) minor, and should be able to be sorted out easily, in comparison with the more difficult task of forming coalition deals with parties that may be more left, or more right than Labour.
So as much as I will enjoy the privilege of voting for the Party Leader, I still think that the leadership voting system urgently needs to be discarded. Give the responsibility to caucus, coupled with information that comes from polling all eligible voters. Farrar may be a nasty weasel, but he does deliver much better political advice to Dirty John from polls, than Labour will ever get from Party members and affiliated unions.
In fact, Labour does its own internal polling and focus group analysis with UMR.
Which is little use to all those voting without access to those poll results. Which would be my main point in limiting the voting to the caucus (who I presume do have – or should have – access to such poll results)
The poll result is definitely not the only issue that needs to be taken into account …. but it is a very important issue. Which candidate is the most electable?
(I wonder what those ‘internal’ polls indicated about the preference of the public in the Leadership poll won by David Cunliffe? Did those polls ask that question? Did those polls determine how many more or less people would have voted Labour with each candidate as Leader? Is Robertson in this election gaining any advantage, or not, by declaring his preference for Deputy? These are the sort of questions where the answers are best not filed away in a library.)
There are relatively few NZLP members commenting compared to the numbers of commenters.
Read the about. The site simply wasn’t set up for NZLP members.
There is one site that was largely setup for NZLP members. It was called Red Alert and it is essentially moribund because someone at the site started playing silly games.
I take your point, lprent. Fortunately I did put a significant disclaimer on saying that was the case, or essential to my argument. (Which of course means that I could have left out the possible assumption in total, and still made the same point I wanted to make.) 🙂 My bad.
I guess I should have said something along the lines of if you take the views of any small group eg the commentators on the Standard, the local wrestling club, the operatic society, or even the Members of the Labour Party, they are unlikely to be representative of the opinions of the 40-50% of voters that you hope will cast their vote in the direction of the Labour Party.
If the Party want thats opinion, I think that a much better way is to use intelligent polling. And the results of those polls could be used constructively to help inform the decision of the ‘best’ Party Leader that meets the full needs of the Party.
The election was rubbish, the left fragmented and all we wanted was the policies to win it.
Asking the brilliant minds, what would a sensible left wing manifesto look like?
Imagine starting a new, well funded party, and you want to show the public what you’re about.
With three years till kick off, what what you tell them?
I actually thought the left as a whole had about the best policy package anyone could manage. Between the greens impmana and labour, we had food for kids, decent wage increases for the neediest as well as the middle class, a real plan to address housing for low and middle income groups, health and infrastructure relief, regional development, clean waterways, and a real chance at getting more jobs and sane security policies.
Something didn’t go well tactically – some say Labour should have gone for the party vote more, but the greens were all about the party vote and didn’t make headway.
Personally, I reckon it was the kdc distraction throughout the campaign, the fizzle on the 15th, and the terror raids in aus two days before, all exploited by a blatantly partizan mass media.
I agree there were some good policies spread around, so perhaps a part of failure was/is in the delivery, and in part the perception ‘the left’ were/are unable to work together despite labour pushing the 3 party government line to counter. The corporate msm and dirty politics a given hindrance.
I am curious as to what a thestandard focussed grouped manifesto would read like, and how much appeal would/could be garnered from the less political out of it.
I wouldn’t have a shot at bringing it together, but an invited guest list could create something cool, contemporary and quite inspiring.
No point in having all the bright ideas to see them wasting on a blog.
“No point in having all the bright ideas to see them wasting on a blog.”
That’s my biggest frustration about the place (that and the intelligence wasted on clever putdowns and abuse). Would love to see the passion and thought go somewhere.
I think a series of threads over time, offering a selection of either/or options, proffered by the group for discussion and selection. I’ll nominate five people and they then nominate five more to form the policy committee and sit back and see what you all come up with if you like?
Can you explain that a bit more? Either/or options? Committee working offsite or onsite?
Maybe we can develop the IMP online policy development model more. Using Loomio but also a combination of other online tools if they are required.
Although I am a little hesitant to go down the path of yet more policy development. Coming up with plans to deliver more left wing infrastructure eg community currencies, alternative media channels eg radio, or to extend the reach/capabilities of The Standard, might be a more useful (less Wellington centric) way ahead.
I know your having a laugh but as a new entrant standard follower I have found my self thinking it’s no wonder the left is in trouble if the people here spend so much time arguing.
Looks Penny Bright will have to cough up $33,000 to Auckland Council or end up homeless but with $500,000 to go elsewhere. I cannot see the judge tolerating someone who WONT pay as opposed to someone who CANNOT pay. Hope i’m wrong and Penny gets a fair go.
I thought it was only the New Zealand First Party where the members of their caucus don’t talk to each other.
This was when Winston chose to nominate Ron Mark for Speaker without even telling Ron about the idea.
The Green Party obviously need to start talking to each other. Then we wouldn’t have to waste thousands of dollars while a Green Party member spends time in Parliament finding out what one of her parties leaders is up to.
From todays questions –
“JAN LOGIE to the Member in charge of the Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill: Why has the member adopted the Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill?”
You are quite right. I had forgotten about Shearer’s bill.
This is Meteria’s one, taken over from Hone though.
The two bills are, from the Parliamentary website.
Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill (Harawira)
and
Education (Food in Schools) Amendment Bill (Shearer)
The name is the one for the ex- Hone, now Meteria bill. And yes I know why she is asking the question. It gives Turei the chance to make a brief speech. A waste of time and money isn’t it?
I think the standing orders committee should consider doing away with patsy questions altogether.
As I understand it, Question Time is for the Opposition to hold The Government to account. I have never understood how allowing ministers to make brief speeches on topics of their choosing assists this purpose.
Just in case you forgot we got ourselves another war here is a reminder Oh and we have been fighting this silly little war for the last 30 years – at least.
So Canada goes to war against some people in the middle east.
Then some of those people in the middle east attack Canada’s military.
what the f#@k did they expect? flowers? to be left in peace?
And then to label this a “terrorist” attack – what a joke. It was an attack on military at war. It was not a terrorist attack it was clearly a military attack.
And to think that Key is putting us in the firing line too ……. brace for it people. Key is bringing war to our islands.
Are you acting [deleted] for the sake of acting [deleted] ?
[r0b: A while back a participant here who had a child with an intellectual disability asked us to crack down on the use of that word as a term of abuse.]
The person, presumably sympathising with the people Canada has declared war on, attacked a military person. Did you miss that bit? Also, Parliament is generally where orders to go to war are made – an entirely legitimate military target.
Your own description defies the facts.
It is you with the shit for brains, clearly. Go read some history and learn some law idiot.
Hey pcplodding – how about this for a bit more …..
Did you notice how on te news tonight there was virtually no description of this military event as a terrorist attack? Go and have a look and listen. Even Key didn’t refer to it as a terrorist attack and he is softening us all up for going to war.
eh pcplodding, just a bit more for your brainshit to absorb.
If this person had wanted to actually commit an act of terror then why didn’t he visit a shopping mall, or a hospital or some other such public place?
Why did he choose to attack a soldier with a gun? Why did he choose to attack the seat of Canada’s power with security everywhere and which has gone to war with his people? Why did he choose these military targets instead of a civilian one?
I think you are just one of those people who believes everything you are told. I bet you voted for Key. Mindless. You would have supported the leader of Germany in the 1930s going by your level of thinking.
Hey pcplodding, Canada has been helping drop munitions on to Afghan and Iraqi civilians (oh I’m sorry, dropping munitions on to ‘legitimate targets’ which happen to be right next to the civilians) for years now.
(I guess its now NZs time to help out in this general effort, to make us, you know, safer. Because killing never ends in even more killing).
Maybe you can see now how the West is seen by 3/4 of all peoples as the biggest purveyors of death and terror in the world.
I think Transrail wants to collapse the passenger services.
The rail Christchurch to Picton is cancelled over winter till 26 September.
About a year or so ago the fare was $48 – $100 with specials, backpackers, students, pensioner rates as well.
Now there is only one fare: $159. That will of course cut back the numbers so that eventually the trip will lapse for want of patronage.
Economics with political push.
Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
Thursday, 23 October 2014, 12:57 pm
Press Release: Terrace Chambers
Press statement in relation to the search of Nicky Hager’s home
On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager’s home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources. Rather than search those documents, the Police sealed them and lodged them with the High Court pending directions from the Court. Mr Hager had concerns that the search was unlawful and sought legal advice.
Mr Hager has now had a chance to consult his lawyers. He believes even more strongly that the Police have acted outside of the law in seizing his property and seeking to search through all of his documents. Mr Hager has decided to challenge the Police’s actions by way of judicial review. He expects to launch those proceedings during the next few days.
In the meantime, the Police are asserting that there is no valid claim for privilege over the documents. The Police are seeking the leave of the Court to file their own proceedings in order to argue that there is no privilege and that they should be allowed to review all of the documents. A preliminary teleconference was held today (23 October 2014) between the High Court, and lawyers for Mr Hager and the Police, to discuss these issues.
My first response to this info. is that the police are acting under instructions from higher up the ladder but how far up the ladder is a very interesting question. In fact is it a ladder which extends beyond NZ? Could the Slater complaint merely be the excuse to sift through Hager’s other work? Example: the FBI/NSA/GCSB modus operandi?
1. The cops, the lawyers and the rest of the government should have to account for every last little bit of taxpayer dollars that they spend turning Nicky Hager over. He hasn’t damaged the NZ public interest one little bit so why the hell are we funding it.
2. What was the timing around raiding him while he wasn’t there. I hope he asks if they have been tracking him to see where he is and who he meets – it all seemed a bit convenient.
3. Yes I assume they want to sift through everything else. If only so they can drift along and lean on a few other people.
Having reviewed Mr Key’s responses overnight, Mr Carter today said that was likely correct for most of Dr Norman’s questions. However, one where Dr Norman asked if Slater was correct when he said Mr Key had told him the mother of a car crash victim was “the same woman f-ing feral bitch that screams at him when he goes to Pike River meetings” should have been answered.
The question “made a connection to the actions of the Prime Minister in response to Pike River Mine Tragedy,” Mr Carter said.
“A connection having been made to a matter of ministerial responsibility an informative answer should be given.”
and a glimpse into the sparse world inside the key brain
Earlier today Mr Key stood by his claim that his conversations with Slater were not in his capacity as Prime Minister.
“I wear a number of hats obviously, one as the leader of the National Party, one as Prime Minister of New Zealand and one as a citizen.”
Which capacity he was acting in was determined by “the context around what I think I was doing”.
On that basis Mr Key was “quite comfortable that in the correspondence and discussions I’ve had with Cameron Slater, which are not that great in number, are done so not in my capacity as Prime Minister”.
How many times have you sent important information to the wrong person because you didn’t check the email address?
Prime Minister John Key’s office briefing notes have once again been accidentally sent to a reporter ahead of a media conference.
key says,
“At the end of the day I think you’d say it was unfortunate, but the reality as I understand it was an Mfat person who was putting together some briefing notes for me accidentally sent them to NewsTalkZB. Email systems have a habit of remembering email addresses and from time to time accidents or mistakes occur… It’s just so easy to do.”
I think it’s time for another Leunig cartoon. Obviously in an Australian context (Liberals and Labour) but it transfers equally as well to New Zealand.
UK police arrest young man who throws a water bottle for ‘Plinth Guy’ protestor to catch. This is the kind of police state assf*ckery which seems to be coming to all FVEY nations pretty much simultaneously.
Kelvin Davis gives Hone Harawira some good hard kicks
About “manning up” over Hone’s hiring an alleged sex offender on Parliamentary Services money – but Davis forgets about a little thing called “presumption of innocence.”
And interesting how these documents were “leaked.” So they think Harawira might stage a come back in TTT 2017 and want to kill that possibility dead ASAP.
Another Open Mike which has a first half devoted to the cult of Vega. Tomorrow it’ll probably be how the Greens gifted Ohariu to Dunne. It gets a bit boring, just a bit.
by Jan Rivers More than 30 years ago a Commission of Inquiry was held in New Zealand to investigate, amongst other things, whether women with cervical cancer were aware that they had been part of a research project and whether they were properly informed of the treatment options ...
Everyone Wants To Be Fuhrer: When fascist groups are discussed, the image conjured-up in the minds of most New Zealanders is one of pathetic misfits. This negative impression is reinforced by the latter’s idiotic embrace of the swastika. Even in the second decade of the twenty-first century, the baleful legacy ...
by Philip Ferguson This weekend just past marks the 50th anniversary of Woodstock, the most famous of the great 1960s music festivals. It was held over the weekend (Friday-Monday) of August 15-18, 1969. Woodstock was a highpoint of the US ‘counter-culture’, and also the beginning of its end. When exploring the ...
It looks like the government has won over the public on its vehicle feebate scheme:A feebate scheme that would transfer hundreds of millions of dollars from buyers of higher-emission cars into the pockets of people buying EVs and other more fuel-efficient vehicles has been winning favour with submitters, the Government ...
When people suggest lowering the voting age, others argue that the young are too uneducated or silly to exercise the duties of citizenship. Australian John Quiggin has just blown that argument out of the water:Looking at the array of ignorant and vindictive old men attacking Greta Thunberg and other young ...
In the previous two posts, I laid out the context and set the theoretical framework to answer a question: whether indigenous economies should take the LEAP. This final part outlines ways to conceive of practicing mana motuhake within the existing legal system by carving out special jurisdictions that enable Indigenous ...
Fully Informed? Labour’s 2017 promises raised expectations that were little short of revolutionary. Unfortunately, they were never adequately shaken through the fiscal sieve. The hard economic work was not done – and it shows. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s critics have long complained that her grasp of the way the New ...
You cannot expect to pound communities into the ground day after day, year after year, decade after decade and just expect them to take it lying down. There’s a point at which the place will explode. And we’re faced with some very big ructions on both sides of the Atlantic ...
Back in May, Destiny Church leaders Brian and Hannah Tamaki launched another political party. Despite consisting entirely of followers of their religion, they grandly called it "Coalition New Zealand", in a vain effort to suggest it was something broader. But when they applied for registration, submitters opposed the name, as ...
The following article is excerpted and translated from two articles in recent issues of Lutte de Classe (Class Struggle), the magazine of Lutte Ouvrière (Workers Struggle), the revolutionary workers group active in France. We don’t necessarily agree with everything in it – for instance, the 1956-62 war for independence involved rather more revolutionary forces than ...
The Pacific is on the front line of climate change, and if we don't cut emissions quickly, some countries are literally going to be underwater. Because of this, small Pacific states had tried to use this week's Pacific Islands Forum meeting to get Pacific countries to agree to ending coal ...
To Limit Another's Rights Is To Limit One's Own: Is it too much to expect senior members of our Government to be capable of explaining that we protect the rights of human-beings precisely because not even the most depraved act can cancel-out the fact that its perpetrator is also a ...
Going Down? Once truth and propaganda become fused in the minds of one’s followers, debate and discussion become redundant. If one’s opponents are all outrageous liars, then engaging with them in any way is pointless. Rather than waste its time, a political party should, instead, target all its messages at ...
This section builds on Part 1 of this series to provide a theoretical basis for the final instalment (part 3 – to come). Self-determination: law or resurgence — or both? International law promotes the principal of equal treatment and self-determination, which includes peoples’ rights to freely pursue their social, cultural and ...
Everyone was outraged yesterday to learn that the Christchurch shooting accused had been able to send mail from prison to his Nazi fans, apparently pushing more hate. "How could this possibly happen", people asked. Simple: because New Zealand is a civilised country, and so we let prisoners send and receive ...
If we are to avoid dangerous anthropogenic climate change, we need to rapidly decarbonise our transport fleet. The good news: its starting to happen:The number of electric vehicles on New Zealand's roads have nearly tripled in the past two years. There are currently 15,453 registered electric vehicles (EVs), up ...
We need to fundamentally reframe our systems settings to address the drivers causing and underpinning inequality; structural change in systems especially financial. The Equality Network Hui was held in Wellington on 27 June 2019. The hui covered important topics such as child poverty; a living wage; taxation; public health; mental ...
The views-per-page for some of my recent postings:Depressing, isn't it? Provide thoughtful and wise commentary on the mainstream of British politics and no-one notices. Make a passing reference to Tommy DICKHEAD Robinson in a thread title and you get hundreds of views. Write something about anti-Semitism and you get another ...
The government has announced plans to move the Treaty of Waitangi and other taonga to a new site. Great news! So where are they going? Right next to the old one:The new plan will see a new 22,000-square-metre archive built on the former site of Defence House - the former ...
Back in June, StatsNZ went public about a project to track population data on an hourly level by using people's cellphones. It wasn't as bad as it initially looked - they were receiving no individual data, only counts by suburb - but there was still a huge consent problem, so ...
Most economists agree that a currently slowing economy could do with some stimulus – and they would also agree that there is no shortage of infrastructure projects which could be brought to productive fruition with help from that stimulus. In view of the current practice of sub-contracting economic policy decisions ...
I did an interview on the TVNZ Breakfast Show about the situation in Hong Kong. I tried to frame the issue as a collective action problem between two sides with very different end games. The video is here. Because of time constraints we could not discuss the fact that the ...
Image Credit: Wild Rose College A new study reporting the ranges of values for kidney and liver parameters in a healthy population is being actively misrepresented by anti-fluoride campaigners. The Fluoride Action Network’s (FAN) latest ...
Image Credit: Wild Rose College A new study reporting the ranges of values for kidney and liver parameters in a healthy population is being actively misrepresented by anti-fluoride campaigners. The Fluoride Action Network’s (FAN) latest ...
AN OPEN LETTER FOR SIGN ON BY ORGANISATIONS AND MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE WORLD, ALLIED IN THE FIGHT AGAINST INEQUALITY. This letter was released at the UN Political Forum on 9 July, where the Sustainable Development Goal on inequality was reviewed. The purpose of the letter is to call out the ...
We asked a young gay science student and critic of trans ideology and the trans activists’ assault on women’s and gay rights to outline his views on Redline. Thanks to him for his article. by Cian Ó Catháin Gender identity ideology (Gender ID) is ripping through western society at full ...
The Environment Committee is currently hearing submissions on the Zero Carbon Bill, and Stuff is reporting on the submissions. Today, they're covering yesterday they heard from "NZ" Steel:NZ Steel has told MPs it may be forced to close with the loss of thousands of jobs if changes aren't made to ...
Students are striking against climate change on September 27. And this time, they're asking everyone to join them:Students are taking to the streets, beaches and parks on 27 September, and we're inviting everyone to join us. That's right, this is an intergenerational issue, and you're all invited to put pressure ...
Peter McKenzie has a piece on Newsroom this morning about how local body politics is awash with property developer cash. 70% of all the donations in the 2016 Wellington mayoral election came from property developers. And its pretty obvious what they want in exchange:That’s particularly important in local government, according ...
Source: Unknown, twitter user Recently, I wrote a (relatively) short paper titled as above, to explore what self-determination could like in a practical sense. Maybe I’m a bit of an international trade truther or something, but I absolutely believe trade is at the heart of achieving peace and self-determination. Since ...
In the 1960s, after I had graduated with a first-class Oxford postgraduate law degree, I joined the British Foreign Office as the top entrant of my year. There, I worked for a couple of years on European affairs and was eventually posted to the Embassy in Brussels. After this exposure ...
Alone, Alone. All, All Alone: Will it be a good or a bad thing, when humanity’s bright blue spacecraft is stricken by the civilisation-destroying problem of Climate Change, that no Huston Control will be standing-by to rescue the crew?“WE HAVE A PROBLEM, HUSTON.” These were the words used by the ...
I heard a 45 minute interview with Monica Lewinsky talking to TED’s Chris Anderson on BBC Radio 4 over the weekend, and have listened to it another two times out walking. I recommend it. Highly. Man, I am so impressed with how this woman has integrated her life experiences and ...
Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff, The Coddling of the American Mind: how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure, London, Penguin, 2019, 352pp; reviewed by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff’s book The Coddling of the American Mind is a timely book, whose ...
When the Justice Committee reported back on the Administration of Justice (Reform of Contempt of Court) Bill, free speech advocates breathed a sigh of relief. As originally introduced, the Bill reitered the ancient offence of "scandalising the court" - basicly, a special sedition law protecting judges from criticism. The select ...
Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. Since then - crickets. Which raises the obvious question: are they actually going to do this, ...
Back in March, the Ministry of Justice conducted a public consultation exercise on whether to hold a review of the Official Information Act. 285 people submitted on it. Now, Stuff has trawled through those submissions, and the case for reform is strong:The Justice Ministry asked Kiwis what they thought was ...
National's prisoner voting ban has gone down as one of the worst laws in New Zealand history. Passed after a farcical debate (including this farcial speech from ACT MP Hilary Calvert), it has subsequently been found to be inconsistent with the Bill of Rights Act by the High Court, Court ...
Divided Loyalties: Can the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, be relied upon? That’s what the boys and girls at Foggy Bottom and the Pentagon needed to be reassured about. Because, from the perspective of Washington, it’s looking more and more like Jacinda Ardern and her Labour Party comrades are getting ready ...
This handy Queer Theory Glossary is from thetranswidow.com In case you’ve had trouble keeping up with the spate of new queer theory terms, here’s a handy glossary for your reference. Queer – A straight person with an interesting haircut. Non-binary/genderqueer – A chubby young female, typically 16-28, who has ...
by Daphna Whitmore US social psychologist and author Jonathan Haidt spoke on 1 August in Auckland to a crowd of around one thousand people. He is best known for his bookThe Coddling of the American Mind which examines the new climate of trigger warnings and acute sensitivity of Gen Z. ...
What an extraordinarily depressing experience it is to be compelled to watch, at 12,000 miles distance, the contortions and machinations of the British political class as they set about their determined attempt to overturn the decision taken by the British people that they wish to leave the European Union. The ...
The winter grazing issue is becoming a highly sensitised one that I hope will not become so politicised that it delays solutions and results in the suicides of some very stressed farmers.Winter grazing has hit the headlines after a determined campaign, including the release of a video of some very ...
by Don Franks Way back when British guitar virtuoso Joe Brown was a beginning session guy he got to back a visiting American artist. Young Joe was an able technician but had yet to learn some points of professionalism. Part way through “Five foot high and rising” Joe tired of ...
Since scientists started studying climate change, they have warned that it will reduce food production. And now, its happening:The climate crisis is damaging the ability of the land to sustain humanity, with cascading risks becoming increasingly severe as global temperatures rise, according to a landmark UN report compiled by some ...
The Abortion Legislation Bill just passed its first reading, 94-23. Its a far bigger margin than I expected, even allowing for the Winston factor, and it reflects the overwhelming support there is in this country for reform. but that support isn't a new thing - it has existed for literally ...
The Justice Committee has called for submissions on the Referendums Framework Bill. The Bill does what it says on the label - establishes a framework for referenda. Things you may want to address in your submission: Whether the bill should apply only at the 2020 election, or whether it should ...
The Thompson and Clark / MBIE spying scandal continues to result in fallout, this time in the form of a report on the implementation of MBIE's "Operation Exploration", its internal operation to enforce the infamous Anadarko Amendment which criminalised protests against the oil industry. MBIE's enforcement operation was tainted by ...
So, Winston Peters is defending his last-minute demand for a referendum on abortion by claiming he was "blindsided" by the bill. Really? The bill is a government bill. It has been working through the cabinet approval process since December last year. As part of that process, NZ First was consulted, ...
The Green Part has been accused of lack of transparency in two recent situations. The first was the claimed media lockdown during Green's annual conference and the second was Julie Ann Genter's refusal to release a letter she had sent to Phil Twyford.I do get frustrated when journalist's succumb to ...
The Green Part has been accused of lack of transparency in two recent situations. The first was the claimed media lockdown during Green's annual conference and the second was Julie Ann Genter's refusal to release a letter she had sent to Phil Twyford.I do get frustrated when journalist's succumb to ...
Last week, the ongoing democracy protests in Hong Kong saw a pro-Hong Kong student assaulted at the University of Auckland. The Chinese consulate in Auckland followed this up with a press release "express[ing] its appreciation to the students for their spontaneous patriotism" - effectively condoning the assault and inciting further ...
Only those who close their eyes and minds to the evidence can still be in any doubt that we are facing a climate change crisis. The evidence is conclusive that the world is not only getting inexorably hotter, but also that the rising temperatures are creating a number of other ...
Rural communities are wailing about forestry conversions "taking land out of production" and putting it into locking up carbon. Its driven purely by economics: there's more money and lower costs in carbon than in sheep or beef, and if carbon prices rise, there'll be more net money than dairy even. ...
This week, the government introduced its (underwhelming) Abortion Legislation Bill. And despite having negotiated the text of the bill through the coalition process, Winston Peters is now suggesting that he will demand a referendum on it:NZ First leader Winston Peters has hinted that his party may only support the Government's ...
Blowing-Up The House: Is Winston Peters planning to put himself at the head of all those New Zealanders who refuse to countenance the Coalition Government caving-in to the Ihumatao protesters? The most effective way of doing this would be to issue Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern with an ultimatum. If she ...
Last night the police dramatically incresed their numbers at Ihumātao, shoving over protestors and threatening them with arrest. Despite police talk about the need to maintain "public order" and prevent a "breach of the peace", there appeared to be absolutely no justification for this: the protest camp is, was, and ...
A Cult, that many actors, politicians, and those with a low IQ are joining is sweeping across civilisation, with one main intention – ending humans reign on Earth. Starting as a well meaning though deeply flawed theory, that the Earth was warming due to mankind emitting greenhouse gasses, it was ...
Today's abortion reform announcement is just the latest in a long line of disappointing decisions or outright failures from the Labour government. The 90-day law. KiwiBuild. A capital gains tax. Climate change. Every time they make one of those decisions, we hope for better next time. No repeal of the ...
The Greens used their party conference over the weekend to push for a rent-to-own scheme, where people would be able to work towards home ownership by renting from the government. Its a sensible policy, and one which could make a real difference to home ownership rates. But its also basicly ...
by Daphna Whitmore Over the past fortnight, thousands of people have come to the Ihumātao land protest in South Auckland. On 23 July police prepared to evict a few dozen people who had maintained the encampment at Ihumātao for the past three years. As hundreds of supporters arrived the ...
The following article is translated from an article in Lutte de Classe (Class Struggle), the magazine of the French revolutionary workers’ organisation Lutte Ouvrière (Workers Struggle). The United States’ blacklisting of the Chinese telecommunications company Huawei, which took shape in Google’s ban on Huawei using its systems on its phones, marks a ...
There is a military phrase: “Full spectrum dominance”. It refers to the all-encompassing policy to dominate across all spheres of war. Lately, that has come to include the internet – in other words, cyberwarfare initiatives. That is in addition to land, sea, air and the like. Now, if ...
The IMF issued a Report on the state of the Economy as it is at present. Some of it points out significant issues that certainly warrant attention, but that we know already exist. Some of it is very much tied to the very obvious context of global concerns, that everyone ...
Opportunities to dodge tax are shrinking with the completion of a new tax agreement with Switzerland, Revenue Minister Stuart Nash announced today. Mr Nash and the Swiss Ambassador David Vogelsanger have today signed documents to update the double tax agreement (DTA). The previous DTA was signed in 1980. “Double tax ...
Small Business Minister Stuart Nash says the report of the Small Business Council will help maintain the momentum for innovation and improvements in the sector. Mr Nash has thanked the members of the Small Business Council (SBC) who this week handed over their report, Empowering small businesses to aspire, succeed ...
Extra Police officers are being deployed from Northland to Southland with the graduation of a new wing of recruits from the Royal New Zealand Police College. “The graduation of 78 constables today means that 1524 new constables have been deployed since the government took office,” says Police Minister Stuart Nash. ...
Wellington, 20 August 2019 — Lawyers for Vulnerable New Zealanders (LVNZ) has lent its support to the amendments proposed by MP Chris Penk to better protect vulnerable people from being coerced to end their lives under the End of Life Choice Bill, currently ...
The Government’s decision to establish and independent Parliamentary Budget Office, outside of Treasury, is a taxpayer victory and will improve democracy, says the New Zealand Taxpayers' Union . Taxpayers' Union spokesman Louis Houlbrooke says, “It's ...
The Taxpayers’ Union can reveal that the cost-benefit analysis prepared by Ministry of Transport and used to advise Ministers on the Government’s Clean Car Standard and ‘Feebate’ policies has serious flaws which undermine justifications for the ...
The Aotearoa New Zealand Association of Social Workers (ANZASW) welcomes new proposals for prison reform put forward by the Minister of Corrections and non-government organisations recently. ...
The New Zealand Maori Council has called on the nation to address all forms of racism and not to shy away from an honest conversation about where it’s taking hold. The call comes after the Nelson Club decided to keep a member after his comments became ...
Wellington (20 August 2019): The New Zealand Initiative enthusiastically welcomes the Coalition Government’s announcement of an Independent Parliamentary Budget Office. Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Associate Finance Minister James Shaw ...
Drs Say No agree with Chris Penk’s amendment to protect vulnerable patients from coercion, although the organisation still maintains that no safe euthanasia legislation can ever be drafted and continues to urge MPs to defeat the End of Life Choice Bill. ...
The Chief Ombudsman Peter Boshier says the Northland Regional Corrections Facility is persisting with policies that are preventing it from achieving its full potential. ...
The second national hui in the Māori-led Inquiry into Oranga Tamariki concluded yesterday ahead of schedule after a capacity audience formally ratified the terms of reference that determines the scope and purpose of the independent investigation ...
Forest & Bird says WWF-NZ's plan for protecting Māui dolphins is based on testing unproven methods on a species that is almost extinct, and is urging the Government to reject the proposal. ...
Primary and intermediate school principals have voted to accept a new settlement from the Ministry of Education, which includes entrenched pay parity with secondary principals. ...
Police acknowledge the findings of the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) report into the 2014 search of a property belonging to Nicky Hager. ...
The Independent Police Conduct Authority has found that the Police's unlawful search of Nicky Hager's property in October 2014 resulted from an unwitting neglect of duty and did not amount to misconduct by any individual officer. Police policy at the ...
Tuesday, August 20: Greenpeace has labeled an overnight announcement by fishing company Sanford as a danger to Māui and Hector’s dolphins, and is calling on the Government to reject the ‘Sanford Plan’ immediately. ...
World Animal Protection describes an overnight announcement (19 August, embargoed until 6am 20 August), by fishing company Sanford as a cynical move to undermine growing support for full habitat protection for Māui and Hector’s dolphins. They called ...
When the combined tax on fuel hits over 50 percent in some parts of the country, it is hypocritical for the Government to blame corporates, says the New Zealand Taxpayers' Union . ...
A leading expert in suicide prevention has urged MPs not to confuse suicide with assisted dying as they consider the second reading of the End of Life Choice Bill. ...
Over the weekend Māoridom arrived in the Waikato for the annual Koroneihana Celebrations. Yesterday almost 300 attended a Hui in Hamilton to continue the Oranga Tamariki Review led by an independent Māori panel to coincide with the Koroneihana. The Hui confirmed ...
The Council of Licenced Firearm Owners (COLFO) says the newly issued ‘price list’ for compensation of banned firearms reveals that haste in preparing the ban has led to an underestimation of the number of affected firearms and their value. ...
Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis has admitted parts of the prison system are “extremely racist” and says that’s why the Government is asking Māori to work with it to make changes. ...
Ongoing drug-test sanctions contradicts Government’s rhetoric on drugs Reports that two-thirds of beneficiaries who fail drug tests are still having their benefit sanctioned contradicts the Government’s so-called health approach to drugs. Auckland ...
An Auckland Homelessness Collective is optimistic extra government support for sustaining tenancies signals a commitment to a multi-pronged approach to tackling homelessness. ...
Wanaka-based trust ONE New Zealand will be hosting six days of talks, workshops and hands-on activities with local and national experts to educate, inspire and enable grassroots action towards a sustainable future. ...
In last week’s episode of Politics in Full Sentences, David, Brooke and Ruwan discussed why Jacinda Ardern has been lecturing our friends overseas, why Andrew Little called ACT's three strikes law “fascism”, whether he will give prisoners the right to ...
“Community safety must be the paramount consideration when releasing an offender, and the only way for that to be achieved is for the offender to acknowledge their crimes.” ...
“District Health Boards are failing to foster a culture of distributed clinical leadership, despite its demonstrated benefits to the sector,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists (ASMS). ...
Ratepayers around Auckland were spitting out their morning coffees listening to Phil Goff’s incredible claims on breakfast radio today that this election is about ‘honesty’ and that Aucklanders can trust him on his promises. Auckland Ratepayers’ ...
The Hōkai Rangi plan for reducing Māori reoffending announced today fails to fulfil the Waitangi Tribunal’s recommendations, says justice organisation People Against Prisons Aotearoa. Minister Kelvin Davis announced the plan this morning, which aims ...
Waatea News at the invitation of the North Island Whānau Ora Commissioning Agency will exclusively broadcast the next Māori-led Inquiry into Oranga Tamariki starting today at 1pm. ...
Staff at the Ministry of Social Development say they are enthusiastic about the government’s $54 million investment in housing the homeless, with many describing it as a welcome change. ...
Today posters have gone up outside ANZ branches across New Zealand to expose ANZ’s sponsorship of an exclusive oil industry group, ‘The Petroleum Club’. The satirical posters play on ANZ’s recent ad campaigns, replacing the banks’ tagline ‘healthy ...
Imagine a country where children look forward to walking or cycling to school, parents arrive home safely, and the journeys we take for work or pleasure do more than leave us alive or uninjured, they also improve our lives. This is happening now in countries ...
Sunday, 18 August, 2019 - Environmental groups and well known New Zealanders are preparing to deliver a 55,000 strong petition to the steps of Parliament tomorrow, calling on the Government to protect the world’s smallest dolphin. ...
The Government’s proposed rescue plan must be strengthened because it is the last chance to save Māui dolphins from extinction and secure the future for Hector’s dolphins, Forest & Bird says. ...
Simon Shepherd: Roads, schools, hospitals, prisons, the building blocks that keep society functioning. And we don't have enough. It's called the infrastructure deficit and will be the focus of a major conference this coming week. The man charged with ...
New Zealand has been issued a stark challenge from Pacific leaders to dramatically upscale its action to address climate breakdown, Oxfam says, after a clear rallying cry from nations at this week’s Pacific Islands Forum. ...
Support for Recreational Dope Going ‘Up in Smoke’ Family First NZ is welcoming yet another poll showing plummeting support for legalising cannabis in New Zealand. The Horizon Research poll shows support for legalising has plummeted from 60% last ...
The prospect of ending wider cannabis prohibition looks increasingly unlikely. Over the last nine months, the percentage of New Zealanders who would vote for legalising the personal use of cannabis has declined at a near linear rate of around 10% per ...
“It’s disappointing that news out of the United States of hospitalisations linked to illegal street drugs is somehow seen as relevant to the New Zealand vaping scene,” says Ben Pryor, Director of Alt New Zealand – the largest Kiwi-owned vaping company. ...
The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists (RANZCP) welcomes the successful passing of Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill through parliament, by the New Zealand Government. ...
Phil Goff and John Tamihere are into round 10 of 23 debates planned before the mayoral election in October, and they're punching hard, not resting on the ropes or pulling eachother into dull political clinches. ...
So who is Jennie Wyllie, thrust into the spotlight in New Zealand netball’s darkest hour, and now holding the key to the cabinet storing the sport’s three greatest prizes? ...
The fundamental problem with silver bullets is they permit a ‘business as usual’ approach to farming when that is neither ecologically sustainable nor economically desirable. ...
As Auckland attempts to encourage greener alternatives to car use, a huge new car park is rising beside Les Mills’ flagship inner-city gym. Josie Adams asks Les Mills CEO Phillip Mills how it tallies with the company’s clean, green brand.Les Mills Victoria Street has 12,000 members, and up to 700 ...
Pacific Media Watch Newsdesk Papua New Guinea’s EMTV news and current affairs manager Neville Choi has been sacked after six years of service in this role, triggering strong protests from staff in the country’s main television news service. EMTV staff called for the reinstatement of Choi and for the ...
The problem of political parties disputing each others costing was highlighted in the 2017 election and now an independent entity to ensure parties aren't fudging their figures is a step closer. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Bradley L Garrett, Research Fellow, University of Sydney A small plane looped through the tranquil and cloudless Sydney sky today, spewing engine-heated liquid paraffin from its exhaust, creating puffy tracers. As people all over the city watched from rooftop bars, beach towels ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jane Howard, Deputy Section Editor: Arts + Culture You might picture a book club around your neighbour’s coffee table, or over beers at the local pub – but what if it took place in Parliament House? This is the question being asked ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Carly Osborn, Visiting Research Fellow, University of Adelaide If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, send it to curiouskids@theconversation.edu.au.What makes us cry? – Claudia, age 7.5, Victoria. Hi Claudia. Thank you for this very sensible ...
In the third episode of Actually Interesting, The Spinoff’s monthly podcast exploring the effect AI has on our lives, Te Aroha Grace talks to host Russell Brown about the Iwi Algorithm.Subscribe to Actually Interesting via iTunes or listen on the player below.To download this episode right click and save.At ...
Colson Whitehead won the 2017 Pultizer Prize for Fiction for The Underground Railroad, a depiction of slavery and resistance in 19th century Georgia. Now he’s back with a similarly grim premise, following two boys through the horrors of a real-life reform school in Florida. Our reviewer is Aaron Smale, whose ...
Two recent scientific discoveries rocked us to our fossily core, but there’s a bigger, more shocking story to be told. Who are the silhouette people? Tara Ward finds out. It’s been a big month for bones. First, New Zealand scientists uncovered evidence that a giant parrot once roamed the country around ...
From tennis champions to dance craze inventors, Scratched celebrates New Zealand sporting heroes who never got their due – but whose legacies deserve to be in lights. This month, aerobics world champion and creator of Jump Jam, Brett Fairweather. Every New Zealander under the age of 30 knows at least one ...
Life in the wee hours could be made safer and better for business if New Zealand adopted the policies of cities such as Amsterdam, writes Natanael Rother.It would be insane to do the same thing over and over again and still expect different results. It’s a lesson those embroiled in ...
Stranger Things owns all the oxygen for period-piece teen TV, but Ireland’s impossibly charming Derry Girls deserves as much acclaim, writes Duncan Greive.There’s a reason why high school is the backdrop to so much fantastic television. That cusp between childhood and the adult world is ripe with dramatic possibility. Relationships ...
The Commerce Commission has released preliminary findings from its market study into the retail fuel market, finding it not as competitive as it could be. ...
We’ve become used to Samoan characters as peripheral bad guys. But from the tatau Sāmoa on his chest to his relationships with his aiga, Hobbs & Shaw showed us someone who is us. And he kicks arse.When I was growing up, there were hardly any Sāmoan or Polynesian faces on ...
Editor’s Note: Here below is a list of the main issues currently under discussion in New Zealand and links to media coverage.New Zealand Parliament Buildings, Wellington, New Zealand.Today’s content by Dr Bryce Edwards.Māori prison strategy, prisoner voting 1News: Kelvin Davis admits parts of prison system ‘extremely racist’ ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Hopkins, Lecturer in conservation biology and microbial ecology, Edith Cowan University As most of the science community knows, the climate emergency is here now. Weather extremes such as droughts and heatwaves are increasing in frequency and intensity and are measurably exacerbated ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Krystian Seibert, Industry Fellow, Centre for Social Impact, Swinburne University of Technology Over the weekend, Prime Minister Scott Morrison launched a new assault on the campaigning group GetUp. At the Liberal Party’s state conference in Adelaide, he said GetUp needed to be ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Archana Koirala, Paediatrician and Infectious Diseases Specialist, University of Sydney If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, send it to curiouskids@theconversation.edu.au.How does our blood fight viruses like chicken pox, sickness and colds? – Teddy, 5, Oxfordshire, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Hemer, Principal Research Scientist, Oceans and Atmosphere, CSIRO The rise in sea levels is not the only way climate change will affect the coasts. Our research, published today in Nature Climate Change, found a warming planet will also alter ocean waves ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Owain Emslie, Associate, Grattan Institute Inheritances can have an enormous impact on finances and lives. Yet in Australia we know surprisingly little about who gets them and how big they are. New Grattan Institute research provides some answers. Inheritances are big and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Nick Pitt, PhD candidate, UNSW In April 2020, Australia will mark 250 years since James Cook sailed into Kamay (later known as Botany Bay) on the Endeavour, kicking off a series of events that resulted in the British arriving and staying uninvited ...
Good morning, and welcome to The Bulletin. In today’s edition: Law changes likely over prison mail system, sharp drops in Northland vaccinations, and PM still has no plans to visit Ihumātao.Law changes are looking likely over what mail prisoners can send and receive. One News has reported on the announcement made by ...
Is a second attempt at merging parts of Stuff and NZ Herald owner NZME planned, with a bid for political intervention to help the media industry? Tim Murphy reports. ...
How the NZ Superfund has drummed up $15 trillion to put pressure on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube giants over livestreaming following the Christchurch terror attacks. ...
Kiwi Jamie Greene has established herself as one of the fittest women on the globe in the fast-growing gruelling sport of CrossFit. And she wants to thank her runner sister for helping drive her. ...
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Who should decide how many more tourists fly into Queenstown and Wanaka? Journalist and former district councillor, Cath Gilmour, argues local residents should, not the airlines. ...
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Employment laws. No breaks entitlement.
Considering quitting my job as a form of protest.
Had enough of this shit.
Yep good.
Businesses paying minimum wage which are not prepared a man a decent days pay for a decent days work, are now going to strip the workers of tea breaks etc?
Bugger them and everyone who supports them.
More people should give up on employers and go on the friggin’ dole. Employers like this deserve shit all.
My suggestion is that they get together with their workmates and start a cooperative. The boss goes bankrupt and they’re still employed.
Unfortunately, the high unemployment that National is maintaining, would work against them.
join their union
we don’t call them ‘unions’ any more..we call them ‘associations’..
..(‘union’ is like a scary-word..like ‘ebola’…and ‘bennett’..)
..and the workers flag is no longer ‘deepest-red’..
..it is a washed-out pink..(some say it is a pale-blue..)
..and the labour party is now called ‘the refresh party’..
..and it comes with built-in bubbles..
..do try to keep up..!
lol, sounds quite pleasant now..
Nah lets frighten the bosses there phillip, call them syndicalist associations.
or maybe just ‘the syndicate’..?
(..’y’see..!..this is how me and the boys down at ‘the syndicate’ sees it..
..teabreaks..?..yeah..!..eh..?..and we don’t want no trouble..but..!’..)
..and ‘the labour party’..
..could change to ‘the enforcers’..
..vote for ‘the enforcers’…!..they’ll make it happen..!
..(that’s better than ‘vote positive’..
..and who the fuck will own up to that one..?
..that ‘vote positive’ dog..?
..whose brainfart-idea was it..?
..we demand public-flagellation..!
public-flagellation..! Your problem Philip, is your to damn soft.
Public-Flagellation followed by Crucifixion only way to teach these slackers the meaning of winning.
Or take a leaf from the great propagandists of our time (the Koch brothers), rename the union subs “rates” and call them “Ratepayers Associations” – and confuse the hell out of everyone.
Tracy Join their union-yes-yes That seriously is what is needed.
Disregard the smart (dumb)-arse rhetoric of others trying to be clever.
Here’s how you do it: start your own business, compete against the former employer you hate, do better.
While they have already established infrastructure and employ people under more profitable conditions. Thus winning the race to the bottom.
Herald’s headlines continue to beat up ‘terror.’
To set up New Zealanders to accept new draconian spying and ‘terror’ laws for their master Key.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11346883
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11342460
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
Benjamin Franklin
Brian Rudman writes well on the subject.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11342354
as does Gwynne Dyer…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11339588
the thing is that keys excuse for lying to the voters is that things are evolving quickly.
NOTHING has escalated post election to suggest things are worse today than sept 19.
Nothing has changed to say that things are worse today than they were 18 months ago.
Funny that implementing measures directed against their own citizens appears to be the main mode of dealing with this “terrorism” BS. You might almost think there was another actual agenda going on.
well put
It’s worrying that this govt are so keen to lock doors across the country based on the actions of solitary nutters or dicks on the other side of the planet.
That’s just the excuse. IMO, why they’re doing it is another reason entirely and I don’t think the majority of people would like it if they knew.
Why is Canada so shocked that people want to attack its soldiers?
And how the word "terrorism" is now a propaganda term for anything the state doesn't like – and for justifying anything under the sun the state decides to do.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/22/canada-proclaiming-war-12-years-shocked-someone-attacked-soldiers/
(in a world bereft of heroes..this guy is one of mine..)
“..Meet the Researcher Who Thinks Cancer Can be Prevented – Even Reversed – Through Diet..” (ed:..disclaimer:..this man is a personal hero of mine..)
..The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University said research has proven that consumption of animal products –
– including meat – fish – and dairy –
– triggers chronic diseases and impaired health –
– and poses a greater risk than heredity or environment.
He has linked casein – a protein in milk – with breast cancer.
His lifelong professional focus has been cancer and nutrition –
– and Campbell says that our national and global fight with cancer has targeted the wrong enemy.
Though he is scholarly and genteel – Campbell is not reserved.
He’s impatient and blunt..”
(cont..)
(ed:..that is one of the most compelling arguments to stop consuming animals..and their bye-products..
..the overall better health that vegans seem to enjoy..) (cont..)
http://whoar.co.nz/2014/meet-the-researcher-who-thinks-cancer-can-be-prevented-even-reversed-through-diet-ed-disclaimer-this-man-is-a-personal-hero-of-mine/
Sounds like an idiot following an idiot.
http://www.alternet.org/food/meet-researcher-who-thinks-cancer-can-be-prevented-even-reversed-through-diet
Quite agree with you Phil, Prof Colin Campbell is a well respected scientist. The film Forks over Knives is available from your library and when it was shown at cinemas around the world was responsible for many people changing to a plant based diet.
He, along with other top researchers who advocate a plant based diet should be listened to.
Reverse cancer by diet is like reverse cancer by prayers.
Sad.
“The researchers say: ‘Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2596012/Vegetarians-healthy-poorer-quality-life-meat-eaters.html
Vegetarians are ‘less healthy’ and have a poorer quality of life than meat-eaters
Vegetarians visit their doctors more often and are more prone to allergies
They also have ‘a 50% increased risk of both heart attacks and cancer’
They are also more likely to develop depression and anxiety disorders
But vegetarians tend to be more active and less likely to drink and smoke
‘daily mail’ as source..?
..pandering to their meat-advertisers..?
..hilarious..!
..why not ‘the beano’..?
..and there is also fox news as a fall-back..
..run..!..run young allen..!..run like the wind..!
..run to the fox news website..and key in anti-vegetarian/vegan..
..i am sure the results will be bountiful…
Discounting the science and research because of the delivery man? That’s as sad as claiming diet reverses cancer.
Perhaps some vegan mouthpiece is more ‘reliable’ lol
How about http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-vegetarians-less-healthy-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters/
from yr source/’evidence’..(from cbs..atlanta..written by some hack..)
“..However, the researchers do caution that continuing studies will be needed to substantiate some of the rather broad dietary distinctions, associations presented in this current research…”
..’rather broad’ being the key words..you’d think..?
(and..)
“..The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notes that healthy diets rich in fruits and vegetables may reduce the risk of cancer and other chronic diseases for all dietary groups..”
did you even read it..?..bonehead..?
“from yr source/’evidence’….’rather broad’ being the key words..you’d think..?”
And praising a nut jobs claim that not eating meat reverses cancer is > than scientific research.
“did you even read it..?..bonehead..?”
Especially the table with cancer rates much higher for veggies than meat eaters.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&representation=PDF
i shd also have noted earlier..
..i consider the vegetarian diet to be only incrementally better (healthwise..) than being a carnivore..
..(especially as so many vegetarians treat dairy as a meat-substitute..
..and so often end up consuming more dairy than carnivores do..)
..and it is not ‘my’ evidence/opinion..
..it is the work of campbell that is being highlighted here..
..i also have collected a serious wedge of ‘evidence’ over the years..
..everything from nutritional info..to gourmet vegan recipies..
..and much more..
http://whoar.co.nz/category/vegan-stuff/
fill yer boots..!
..i’ll see yr ‘daily mail’..and i’ll raise ya…
Not my daily mail and the data isn’t theirs from a hack journo.
Just read the pdf, veggie.
It’s no surprise you don’t agree with the findings as they completely rubbish the ‘reverse cancer’ crap from your personal hero.
I advise you to collect all the ‘supporting’ data you can, even from saddos like above and base your opinion on that. That won’t be one eyed and disingenuous at all.
whoare lol
i’ll take that as yr retreat..
..and chrs 4 yr role as foil..eh..?
..you fufilled it well..
..you..with yr ‘daily mail’-prop..heh..!
That’s just another example of where you get it wrong by jumping to the wrong conclusion.
To surmise
http://www.christianpost.com/news/i-believed-god-would-heal-me-and-he-did-says-man-cured-of-inoperable-cancer-video-103568/
http://thecancercureexperiment.com/how-to-pray-to-be-healed-of-cancer/
https://www.cai.org/testimonies/healed-cancer-through-power-jesus
http://www.alternet.org/food/meet-researcher-who-thinks-cancer-can-be-prevented-even-reversed-through-diet
Vegetarians also eat a lot of dairy which is the point that Prof Campbell makes.
A vegan diet has been shown to improve health in many people. There have been many long term studies on this, the SDA church have carried out many such studies all of which were favourable to a vegan diet.
The diet also gives a 100% guarantee that you are personally doing your bit to prevent animal cruelty.
I can’t see that people with a vegan diet have superior outcomes to people with a vegeterian diet. With the proviso that high levels of dairy intake is dangerous to human health.
aside from the cancer/casein-link campbell claims to have proven..?
..and of course there are also the twin-facts that we in nz have world-beating rates of consumption of dairy/cow-bye-products..
..(i think only iceland beats us..)
..and we also have world-beating rates of those cancers increasingly linked to the flesh/fat/bye-products diet..
..(especially breast cancer..)
..so make of that what you will..
..but if i were a woman with a family history of breast cancer..
..i’d be vegan..toot suite..!..
..why wouldn’t ya..?
http://www.thestar.com/life/2008/01/04/top_10_false_health_scares.html
“Red meat and processed meat often have a high fat content, so if you eat them too often you could get fat – which has been shown to be a risk factor for several cancers, including breast cancer and colorectal cancer. A more accurate report would focus on how obesity as a whole can increase risk for cancer.”
‘the star’…some hack-piece from 2007..?
..really current/cutting-edge evidence you are proffering here..eh..?
..having difficulties finding any..?
..you’re funny..!
In response to your unbalanced account I googled ‘false health scares’ and it was top link.
Again, you seem to attack the messenger and not the message, so in response I’ll repeat in case it hasn’t sunk in yet.
“Red meat and processed meat often have a high fat content, so if you eat them too often you could get fat – which has been shown to be a risk factor for several cancers, including breast cancer and colorectal cancer. A more accurate report would focus on how obesity as a whole can increase risk for cancer.”
There’s also, from 2012 http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/health-scares-ignore/story?id=16712712
Including the classics ‘Nitrites in Cured Meats Cause Cancer’ and ‘Mercury in Fish is Dangerous’
have crap ‘evidence’..just repeat it..that’ll work..!
..heh..!..yr still being funny..!
That’s laughable from a man who claims as his hero an old fuck who thinks not eating meat can reverse cancer as his proof and evidence.
You are quite within your rights to refute the facts, but you are so out on the extremist edge, your conclusions, skewered and slanted as they are, aren’t worth the price of the electrons they’re printed on.
‘old fuck’..?
..ok..time to close this one down..methinks..
..consider it done..
“‘old fuck’..?”
The old fuck charlatan who claims cancer can be reversed by not eating meat. You know, you linked a story about him. Short term memory loss?
“..ok..time to close this one down..methinks..”
True to form. The last bastion of the vanquished.
Off you go, and don’t forget to take your ball when you run home crying 😉
hmm..!.. The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University..(who you know as ‘old fuck’..)
..(an obvious charlatan..!..)
..vs. anonymous table-leg chewing standard-commenter/nutbar..
..(an obvious authority..!..)
..who to believe..?
..i’m torn here..!
“table-leg chewing standard-commenter/nutbar..”
To be fair that sounds more like a description of yourself, but whatever works for you.
Has to be remembered though, I haven’t ever claimed or advocated one can reverse cancer by abstaining from eating meat. That would be nuts.
“..(an obvious authority..!..)”
Yes it’s true. I can suss out a vested interest nutjob easy as.
“..who to believe..?”
I’m guessing you’ll go with the old fuck charlatan claiming he can reverse cancer by not eating meat.
Devoted aint you?
“..who to believe..?”
Institute of Social Medicine and Epidemiology, Medical University Graz, Graz, Austria
Table 3 Page 4
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&representation=PDF
why do u insist on presenting vegetarian-‘evidence’/arguments..
..(however dubious..)
..in a vegan-argument..?
..was that all u cd find..?
..and austria..?
..they mainline beef-fat there…
..(and u do know i am not paying foil-overtime-rates..eh..?
..this is all on yr own time..)
Leaving the racism aside, If you have exact data scientifically on par with the Austrian study that makes your point, show it.
“..(and u do know i am not paying foil-overtime-rates..eh..?..this is all on yr own time..)”
I did note note the much higher levels of mental health issues affecting non meat eaters.
With smoking pot, that’s an enormous risk. Better have a double whopper with cheese and hope for the best.
being ‘racist’ against austrians..?
..that is both funny – and ironic beyond words..
..in its’ own unique way..
..heh..!
..u r getting quite good at that clown-role..eh..?
False mass generalisation about a group of people based on their nationality. Sounds racist to me.
The extras like clown role, and being funny mean nothing to me.
I know why you do it, it’s predictable and ultimately it won’t work.
It weakens your paper thin argument even more.
well the thing is..
..u do talk so much shit…eh..?
.and u clearly aren’t very bright with it..
..so the occurances of involuntary-humour on yr part..
..are often and regular..(c.f..’racism’/austrians’..heh..!..)
..hence yr earning of the ‘clown’-moniker..
..it’s all yr own work..eh..?
“The diet also gives a 100% guarantee that you are personally doing your bit to prevent animal cruelty.”
That doesn’t bother me at all in regards to food.
it does ‘bother’ others..
And?
you really need that explained..?
Nope. You think it’s animal cruelty to practice animal husbandry full stop, how are you going to be impartial and differentiate about what constitutes cruelty and best practice?
You can’t. True?
industry ‘best practice’ = sow-crates..
“industry ‘best practice’ = sow-crates..”
See, told ya you couldn’t do it. 😉
industry ‘best-practice’ = the macerator…
You still haven’t got your head around it then.
How are you going to be impartial and differentiate about what constitutes cruelty and best practice?
Clue – You can’t.
if ‘best-practice’ = cruelty..
..that makes ‘best practice’ an oxymoron…
So you can’t have a rational informed opinion on what constitutes animal cruelty.
No worries.
um..!..pain/suffering/killing = ‘cruelty’..
..what can’t u understand about that..?
..u can call it ‘best practice’..u can call it what u like..
..that doesn’t alter what it is..
Best practice isn’t pain and suffering or cruelty. Best practice keeps animals well fed and cared for until slaughtered.
The killing isn’t cruelty. It’s the end of the line and avoids us eating our meat while it’s alive, which I agree would be…Unlike animals like lions and tigers who gnaw down on wriggling prey. Buggers.
So not altering ‘what it is’ depends on whether ‘what it is’ is a bad thing or not.
Your extreme position precludes you from holding a common sense baseline position on the subject. What do you not understand about that? lol
if ‘commonsense’ = animals suffering/being killed..
..u r correct ..i am unable to take such a ‘commonsense’-view..
..anything else..?
Exactly, your extremist views prevent you from debating the issue in good faith.
“..anything else..?”
Blame the green party for something, just for old times sake 😉
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@ The Al1en
Thank you for taking the time with this conversation debunking all theories on the relationship between diet and cancer that there is no evidence for.
Until there is evidence, they are all possible topics for worthy research (noting many theories based on anecdotal evidence have already been researched many times). Science (as compared to religion) never claims the absolute answer on anything.
There does appear to be some links between diet and cancer, and they add weight to similar advice for overcoming obesity: Moderation of every major food group; Maintain a healthy weight; Keep fit.
I will not criticise the actions of the terminally ill. Depending on how much individuals have prospered from trading in money, or investing in lotto, they may gain some temporary mental relief by throwing some of that excess wealth at an abundance of medical and religious charlatans. (An alternative approach may be to throw the same amount of money at medical research, that may benefit future generations … or other worthy causes such as improvements in animal husbandry?)
Mr. Botany (B.)
i do ‘blame the green party’ for having idjits such as yrslf in their ranks..
Another urinalism. I’m not a member of any political party and in no way consider myself to be in anyone’s ‘rank’.
Swing and a miss.
@ bold brian..
so..the fevered imaginings of the allen..+ the daily mail..+ an article in the star..from 2007..
..vs..The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University..
= a ‘debunking’ in yr dictionary..eh..?
..i think it is more a case of what u want to believe/deny..eh..?
“There does appear to be some links between diet and cancer”
There sure is, and meat, like other food groups, should be taken in moderation.
“they may gain some temporary mental relief by throwing some of that excess wealth at an abundance of medical and religious charlatans. An alternative approach may be to throw the same amount of money at medical research, that may benefit future generations”
Let’s have them throwing dollars at getting well nourished kids in warm homes with a future to look forward to first.
Future generations would benefit from that right now.
“so..the fevered imaginings of the allen..+ the daily mail..+ an article in the star..from 2007..”
Or, and much less partisan and disingenuous
Institute of Social Medicine and Epidemiology, Medical University Graz, Graz, Austria
V
The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University..
“..i think it is more a case of what u want to believe/deny..eh..?”
That, my friend, is the irony moneyshot.
Want a tissue? lol
do you have a brain big enough to remember that when the first cancer warnings about tobacco were issued to a (mainly smoking) world..
..that the howls of derision then were similar to yrs now..
(..there are always the pig-ignorant to have to deal with..
..some are just noisier than others..)
I think we’ve had our fair share of screen space with this one, save to say it’s nothing like tobacco and cancer warnings being laughed away by big money.
People have been eating meat since after adam ate all the apple pies and looked how marvellously resilient and adaptable a species we have become. Billions of meat eaters with a shared ancestry and an impressive increasing life expectancy say it aint so.
What we’re eating along with our recommended meat allowances, processed, refined, chemical sprayed, irradiated, added to and de-nutrionalised as it often is, is where I’d start looking for carcinogens and cancer causers in food with suspicious intent. But that’s an uneducated opinion I haven’t googled so I could be way off like you.
Have read similar elsewhere pu. Makes entire sense and we may well all wake up to it one day, like we have after being told thalidomide was safe.
One day in the future people will look back on us in the same way we look back at early surgeries and hospitals and shake our heads at the fuss that was raised when washing of hands was put in place in such institutions…. duh
i just go on the evidence before my eyes..
..in that i know people who have been vegans for over 30 yrs..
..and they all seem to enjoy rude good-health..
..especially when compared with their animal-eating age-contemporaries..
..the differences are stark..
..(i’m just a newcomer..only been vegan for about 15 yrs..)
..(and..heh..!..local media is featuring the person who just won a national body-building title..
..he’s a vegan..go figure..!..eh.?..)
Never mind the statistics and science don’t back up your evangelist agenda.
Mr Al1en, that same line was told to us about;
245t
1080
cigarettes
margarine
sugar
atom bombs
formaldehyde
thalidomide
asbestos
they all had science in support. At the time.
panadol
mobile phone radiation
common food colourings
Well then, you’ll be easily able to point out where science is wrong now, won’t you?
what ‘science’ is that draco..
..aside from atkins nut-jobs..you’ll find no ‘science’ saying ‘eat-more-animals!”..will ya..?
..in fact most ‘science’ advises at best small amounts of red meat..a couple of times a week..
..’science’ most kiwis laugh in the face of..
..as they wolf down that weekly recommendation..
..most breakfasts..
..there is no ‘science’ making yr case..
..none to ‘prove wrong’..
..(and you left the ‘sniff!’ of disdain out of yr comment..
..where wd u like me to insert it..?..
..after the ‘then’..the ‘now’..or at the very end..?..after the ‘you’..?
..and u cd have multiple-‘sniffs’..if you so choose..
..it cd carry them..)
“most ‘science’ advises at best small amounts of red meet..a couple of times a week..”
You would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky scientists
Thanks for confirming that you can do no such thing.
here ya go..draco..
http://whoar.co.nz/category/vegan-stuff/
..more than u can poke a stick at..
Elephant hurling does not an argument make
So why are the police so obsessed about it?
operation 8 and all that..
“you’ll be easily able to point out where science is wrong now, won’t you?”
“Thanks for confirming that you can do no such thing.”
If that’s to me, could you repeat the question using the Austrian study as context?
Why would you think that replies to vto & pu are replies to you?
I mentioned science above and didn’t want to appear rude by ignoring your comment if it was meant for me.
What I should have done was looked closer at the post number sequence before letting manners get the best of me.
The Al1en and phillip u
The evening skirmish. Keeping the standard alive!
aspartame …
I’m not sure atom bombs were ever considered safe.
used to sprinkle them on me fried eggs every morning…
How did “atom bombs” ever have ‘scientific support’ for healthy living?
I think you just made that whole list up, vto.
Can you please provide references for the “lines” that we were told on all of these promoting healthy living?
Some on the list still have legitimate use, depending on how they are used, where they are used, and how much is used: 1080, margarine, sugar, formaldehyde. (Two of these obviously not being used as foods)
No sorry I don’t have time to provide such references for all of those. Discount the list accordingly if you wish – non problema to me
re atom bombs have you not seen any photos or information on people observing early atom bombings close at hand? Maralinga?
“re atom bombs have you not seen any photos or information on people observing early atom bombings close at hand? Maralinga?”
Yes I have seen that but I am pretty sure it wasn’t because they thought they were safe. They were purposely exposing people to radiation they knew wasn’t safe in order to study the results.
Actually, without quibbling over individual items within your list, it was the weight of scientific evidence that demonstrated those things weren’t safe.
Otherwise we’d still be showing kids cartoons that say Laramie Smooths (with the healthy asbestos filter) are the best smoke to have after a growing child’s breakfast of coloured sugar gelatinised in lard.
That’s right – genuine scientific evidence, not some scientific evidence conjured up for some alternative commercial outcome as were the early “scientific” studies for each of those items.
So how do we know when scientific evidence is genuine and credible instead of something paid for and angled for a particular outcome? In Phil U’s case here – the science for and against the link between diet and cancer?
Do we have to look behind the research to see who is paying for it? Other hidden strings?
Perhaps we should ask our wise and considered PM John Key – he thinks that you can buy scientific research in order to suit particular outcomes.
@ vto..
“..Do we have to look behind the research to see who is paying for it?..”
..that can often be illuminating..
Sometimes research is robust, genuine, credible, and still wrong – random result, or an unknown confounding effect.
It’s the weight of evidence overall that directs the conclusions. The more nuanced the association, the more evidence is needed. All the research is accounted for unless obviously fraudulent, incomplete/flawed, or demonstrated to be an aberration by the rest of the research in the field.
Who’s paying for it doesn’t always mean the findings are flawed – ISTR in the last few years that the Koch bros commissioned a report into AGW (which they argue doesn’t exist), only to have the lead author change his tune and say it exists. But what if he had the same level of integrity and found that something had been missed by the vast majority of scientists? They would have tried to find where he screwed up, but over time it would have become the consensus view that agw was nonexistent. It comes down to the quality of the research.
“So how do we know when scientific evidence is genuine and credible instead of something paid for and angled for a particular outcome? ”
When it is testable and repeatable.
‘it was the weight of scientific evidence that demonstrated those things weren’t safe.’
Americans are lucky USA FDA commissioner Frances Kelsey did not subscribe to that view.
Dr Kelsey refused to approve thalidomide for use in America until it could be proved to be safe, despite pressure to do so.
She spared Americans the misery of the thalidomide birth defects by adopting the precautionary principle.
By the weight of scientific evidence
wikipedia:
‘By the weight of scientific evidence’
Don’t be disingenuous.
The point was Kelsey applied the precautionary principle while the evidence was gathered, which prevented people from being harmed. And that’s what ordinary people care about, not points on an academic scoreboard.
‘Nevertheless, a total of 17 children with thalidomide-induced malformations were born.’
Some people got the drug overseas, thus there was a few cases.
Actually, the point was that these days practical human knowledge is usually advanced by the accumulated weight of evidence in one direction or another, rather than one particular piece of research by one particular researcher.
I actually agree that (in general) drugs shouldn’t be used without thorough testing, and funnily enough thalidomide is a major justification for modern testing regimes.
There’s stronger processes on several levels now, but we need regulators who think for themselves, like Kelsey, more than ever.
I would commend Dr Alistair Humphrey of the CDHB in this respect, for this week opposing the proposed Selwyn nitrate levels, and recently breaking ranks on the MPI vegetable poisoning report.
By the way, Kelsey did not look at the evidence in totality when applying the precautionary principle. Her focus was one particular English study showing nervous system damage.
One scientific study can warrant the application of the precautionary principle.
One study might outweigh all the others, yes. But it would have to be a doozy, hence why I used the word “usually”.
Good god people, why so old fashioned? High development cost drugs require massive sales in the first few years to hit budgeted targets before patents run out. This namby pamby approach around waiting for more evidence and yet more evidence to come in is a nonsense when you have only a short time to get a drug to market and make it a blockbuster hit to recoup investor money and make a decent return.
Just do your final safety trial in the market is a good way to go: in that scenario everyone is a winner, investors make big bucks, researchers get more people in more settings to do their research on, patients get access to newer more effective drugs faster.
The way to do it.
Keto!
http://www.ruled.me/keto-diet/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis#Diet
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aiHSPoto_YqsNTDvL-g60nytMnyH-CJcCbiAx1IEUYM/edit
http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet
(I’ll get me coat)
heh..!..fried cheese..!
..whoar..!
i just go on the evidence before my eyes..
..in that i know people who have been vegans for over 30 yrs..
..and they all seem to enjoy rude good-health..
..especially when compared with their animal-eating age-contemporaries..”
I agree that a vegan diet can be incredibly healthful, but it’s a pity about Morrissey’s health woes
And the child I knew who had cancer growing inside her little body before she’d even moved on to non-human milk.
Only in the US
And the reason given is because the person behind bars has given enough to society that a university asked him to speak (via recording) to a few students.
Some US judge just sentenced a woman to a few days jail time because she wouldn’t mow her lawns, contrary to local bylaws.
Welcome to the (highly propagandised and highly incarcerated) land of the Free.
Question Time: President Key, did you have sexual relations with that girl?
‘President’ Key: The answer is No, not in my capacity as President
Question time: President Key, did you have a toke on that crack pipe?
‘President’ Key: The answer – No, not in my capacity as President
Ad hominem
Ad infinitum
@ adam (6.1)
ad hominem????
“to the man”
Question Time: President Key, have you ever helped to execute a financial attack on the NZ dollar for the profit of private investors.
‘President’ Key: The answer – No, not in my capacity as President
But it wasn’t in his capacity as a man…
You got it McFlock. 🙂 Adam is probably still puzzled.
Inspiring Photo…Norm Kirk meeting Gough Whitlam !
I can’t help thinking what a dwarf Key is compared to those two. In all ways possible.
the reserve bank says making people have 20% deposit has saved existing mortgage holders about 2% in interest rate hikes. it says the lvr stays until they are happy housing isnt fuelling inflation…
More proof that the market doesn’t work to provide what a society needs and that it just works to enrich a few.
Meanwhile the town house across the road in a desirable part of town in good condition and with the price dropped sits vacant and unsold even though it is situated between two good secondary schools and an excellent primary. and within walking distance of the city. And the sellers have bought elsewhere and must be suffering, they would never have envisaged it sitting for so long. How has raising the deposit helped new house buyers, and people needing a house for their own use? That is the question that gummint should be asking when assessing the worth of this policy. The answer is negative value to them, and just continuing the stress on these people that the housing bubble has caused already.
A government lacking any idea or willingness to form policy that actually deals with our problems, it just sits on the seats in Parliament and their offices, making work for themselves and grooming future business partners, and collecting salary and perks.
And telling people how good they are, while they borrow money and perform SFC tricks in minor form every day. Keeping their supporters happy, is all they need to do. While we try and get a left team that can win. Unfortunately they are confused about which team they are playing for, and taking sidebets on performance!
I am thinking that those Labour caucus members who are uncomfortable with the values, policies,direction or colour red of Labour, and those that are disloyal to the party or its elected leader, and those that tritorously leak info to enemies and media, and those that bring the party into disrepute by their unwise public statements on TV etc, and those that favour Neo liberal RW agenda should all leave and start their own party. Here are some suggestions for such a party:
NAME : Federation Of Kiwi Rogue Socialists. [FOKRS]
COLOUR : Yellowish red with grey spots.
LEADER’S TITLE : The great pretender.
😆 😈
Teehee
whooop!
Not as satisfying as seeing Eric Prince before the courts would be but it’s a start.
Now, after a 10-week trial and 28 days of deliberation, a jury in Washington has found three of the men – Paul Slough, Evan Liberty and Dustin Heard – guilty of a total of 13 charges of voluntary manslaughter and a total of 17 charges of attempted manslaughter.
The fourth defendant, Slatten, who was alleged to have been first to open fire, was found guilty of a separate charge of first-degree murder. Slough, Liberty and Heard were found guilty of using firearms in relation to a crime of violence, a charge which can alone carry up to a 30-year mandatory sentence.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/22/us-jury-convicts-blackwater-security-guards-iraq
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/22/blackwater-iraq-killings-verdicts-watershed-accountability
Jeremy Scahill weighs in.
Just as with the systematic torture at Abu Ghraib, it is only the low level foot-soldiers of Blackwater that are being held accountable. Prince and other top Blackwater executives continue to reap profits from the mercenary and private intelligence industries. Prince now has a new company, Frontier Services Group, which he founded with substantial investment from Chinese enterprises. Among its areas of focus is the African continent. Prince recently suggested that his forces at Blackwater could have confronted Ebola and ISIS. “If the Administration cannot rally the political nerve or funding to send adequate active duty ground forces to answer the call, let the private sector finish the job,” Prince recently wrote.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/22/blackwater-guilty-verdicts/
perhaps David Shearer …would be comfortable with that?
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I am thinking that if the views of the majority of commentators on this site are representative of the views of members of the Labour Party (An assumption that may very well be wrong) then there is a serious disconnect between the Party Membership and the views of potential Labour voters.
In my opinion most of these voters do not significantly care about the differences between the agendas of party members and party caucus, if such differences exist. They simply have an expectation that those differences are (or should be) minor, and should be able to be sorted out easily, in comparison with the more difficult task of forming coalition deals with parties that may be more left, or more right than Labour.
So as much as I will enjoy the privilege of voting for the Party Leader, I still think that the leadership voting system urgently needs to be discarded. Give the responsibility to caucus, coupled with information that comes from polling all eligible voters. Farrar may be a nasty weasel, but he does deliver much better political advice to Dirty John from polls, than Labour will ever get from Party members and affiliated unions.
In fact, Labour does its own internal polling and focus group analysis with UMR.
$$$$$
Where’s Kim Dotcom when you need him ?
@ swordfish (11.1)
Which is little use to all those voting without access to those poll results. Which would be my main point in limiting the voting to the caucus (who I presume do have – or should have – access to such poll results)
The poll result is definitely not the only issue that needs to be taken into account …. but it is a very important issue. Which candidate is the most electable?
(I wonder what those ‘internal’ polls indicated about the preference of the public in the Leadership poll won by David Cunliffe? Did those polls ask that question? Did those polls determine how many more or less people would have voted Labour with each candidate as Leader? Is Robertson in this election gaining any advantage, or not, by declaring his preference for Deputy? These are the sort of questions where the answers are best not filed away in a library.)
Mr. Botany (B.)
There are relatively few NZLP members commenting compared to the numbers of commenters.
Read the about. The site simply wasn’t set up for NZLP members.
There is one site that was largely setup for NZLP members. It was called Red Alert and it is essentially moribund because someone at the site started playing silly games.
@ lprent @ 11.2
I take your point, lprent. Fortunately I did put a significant disclaimer on saying that was the case, or essential to my argument. (Which of course means that I could have left out the possible assumption in total, and still made the same point I wanted to make.) 🙂 My bad.
I guess I should have said something along the lines of if you take the views of any small group eg the commentators on the Standard, the local wrestling club, the operatic society, or even the Members of the Labour Party, they are unlikely to be representative of the opinions of the 40-50% of voters that you hope will cast their vote in the direction of the Labour Party.
If the Party want thats opinion, I think that a much better way is to use intelligent polling. And the results of those polls could be used constructively to help inform the decision of the ‘best’ Party Leader that meets the full needs of the Party.
Mr. Botany (B.)
A game with legs.
The election was rubbish, the left fragmented and all we wanted was the policies to win it.
Asking the brilliant minds, what would a sensible left wing manifesto look like?
Imagine starting a new, well funded party, and you want to show the public what you’re about.
With three years till kick off, what what you tell them?
I actually thought the left as a whole had about the best policy package anyone could manage. Between the greens impmana and labour, we had food for kids, decent wage increases for the neediest as well as the middle class, a real plan to address housing for low and middle income groups, health and infrastructure relief, regional development, clean waterways, and a real chance at getting more jobs and sane security policies.
Something didn’t go well tactically – some say Labour should have gone for the party vote more, but the greens were all about the party vote and didn’t make headway.
Personally, I reckon it was the kdc distraction throughout the campaign, the fizzle on the 15th, and the terror raids in aus two days before, all exploited by a blatantly partizan mass media.
I agree there were some good policies spread around, so perhaps a part of failure was/is in the delivery, and in part the perception ‘the left’ were/are unable to work together despite labour pushing the 3 party government line to counter. The corporate msm and dirty politics a given hindrance.
I am curious as to what a thestandard focussed grouped manifesto would read like, and how much appeal would/could be garnered from the less political out of it.
did you just suggest that the standardistas work together on a manifesto, as in try and work on something together? can we burst out laughing now? 😉
heh
You did, but the caveat was brilliant minds 😉
I wouldn’t have a shot at bringing it together, but an invited guest list could create something cool, contemporary and quite inspiring.
No point in having all the bright ideas to see them wasting on a blog.
‘I did’ or ‘you did read correctly’
I’d send you an invite to input.
That’s not a bad idea actually. If it was a dedicated thread and was well moderated.
I think a series of threads over time, offering a selection of either/or options, proffered by the group for discussion and selection.
I’ll nominate five people and they then nominate five more to form the policy committee and sit back and see what you all come up with if you like?
“No point in having all the bright ideas to see them wasting on a blog.”
That’s my biggest frustration about the place (that and the intelligence wasted on clever putdowns and abuse). Would love to see the passion and thought go somewhere.
I think a series of threads over time, offering a selection of either/or options, proffered by the group for discussion and selection. I’ll nominate five people and they then nominate five more to form the policy committee and sit back and see what you all come up with if you like?
Can you explain that a bit more? Either/or options? Committee working offsite or onsite?
Maybe we can develop the IMP online policy development model more. Using Loomio but also a combination of other online tools if they are required.
Although I am a little hesitant to go down the path of yet more policy development. Coming up with plans to deliver more left wing infrastructure eg community currencies, alternative media channels eg radio, or to extend the reach/capabilities of The Standard, might be a more useful (less Wellington centric) way ahead.
I know your having a laugh but as a new entrant standard follower I have found my self thinking it’s no wonder the left is in trouble if the people here spend so much time arguing.
There are places in the left blogosphere where it’s less fractious 🙂
Hooked this lot know:-)
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/257600/activist-begs-judge-to-stop-house-sale
Looks Penny Bright will have to cough up $33,000 to Auckland Council or end up homeless but with $500,000 to go elsewhere. I cannot see the judge tolerating someone who WONT pay as opposed to someone who CANNOT pay. Hope i’m wrong and Penny gets a fair go.
Are New Zealand MP’s Bullied Into Rubber Stamping War?
I thought it was only the New Zealand First Party where the members of their caucus don’t talk to each other.
This was when Winston chose to nominate Ron Mark for Speaker without even telling Ron about the idea.
The Green Party obviously need to start talking to each other. Then we wouldn’t have to waste thousands of dollars while a Green Party member spends time in Parliament finding out what one of her parties leaders is up to.
From todays questions –
“JAN LOGIE to the Member in charge of the Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill: Why has the member adopted the Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill?”
There’s more than one bill on that subject isn’t there?
There’s Hone’s bill picked up by Metira Turei
and also a bill by some one else…..
was it Shearer? Or am I misremembering?
You are quite right. I had forgotten about Shearer’s bill.
This is Meteria’s one, taken over from Hone though.
The two bills are, from the Parliamentary website.
Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment Bill (Harawira)
and
Education (Food in Schools) Amendment Bill (Shearer)
The name is the one for the ex- Hone, now Meteria bill. And yes I know why she is asking the question. It gives Turei the chance to make a brief speech. A waste of time and money isn’t it?
only because you lean towards authoritarianism, hence figure that giving Opposition MPs any ability or reason to speak is a waste.
” A waste of time and money isn’t it?”
No.
Key being a dick when asked questions is a waste of time and money.
“A waste of time and money isn’t it?”
I think the standing orders committee should consider doing away with patsy questions altogether.
As I understand it, Question Time is for the Opposition to hold The Government to account. I have never understood how allowing ministers to make brief speeches on topics of their choosing assists this purpose.
Just in case you forgot we got ourselves another war here is a reminder Oh and we have been fighting this silly little war for the last 30 years – at least.
Music thethe from album Mind bomb.
So Canada goes to war against some people in the middle east.
Then some of those people in the middle east attack Canada’s military.
what the f#@k did they expect? flowers? to be left in peace?
And then to label this a “terrorist” attack – what a joke. It was an attack on military at war. It was not a terrorist attack it was clearly a military attack.
And to think that Key is putting us in the firing line too ……. brace for it people. Key is bringing war to our islands.
Are you acting [deleted] for the sake of acting [deleted] ?
[r0b: A while back a participant here who had a child with an intellectual disability asked us to crack down on the use of that word as a term of abuse.]
pcplodding, why is it described as a “terrorist” attack when it is an attack on a military at war with the attacker?
Why is it not described correctly as an act of war?
Tell me I am keen to hear your thinking.
@r0b fair call
VTO you are a sack of mindless shit.
That’s a good one.
Now, how about the issue at hand. Got an answer?
It is described as a terrorist attack as it was an attack by a radicalised Canadian designed to cause terror against a civilian target.
http://www.nationalpost.com/index.html?__federated=1
The Canadian military was not and is not at war with the person responsible for this act.
I repeat you are a sack of mindless shit.
No it wasn’t a civilian target.
The person, presumably sympathising with the people Canada has declared war on, attacked a military person. Did you miss that bit? Also, Parliament is generally where orders to go to war are made – an entirely legitimate military target.
Your own description defies the facts.
It is you with the shit for brains, clearly. Go read some history and learn some law idiot.
You are clearly a feral inbred troll
and I am no longer interested in feeding you obvious trolling
fuck me, that was the most useless series of comments I think I have ever come across.
no answer, clearly failing and flailing, so resort to abuse. Loser.
Hey pcplodding – how about this for a bit more …..
Did you notice how on te news tonight there was virtually no description of this military event as a terrorist attack? Go and have a look and listen. Even Key didn’t refer to it as a terrorist attack and he is softening us all up for going to war.
Whatcha gonna do now?
Whatcha gonna think?
eh pcplodding, just a bit more for your brainshit to absorb.
If this person had wanted to actually commit an act of terror then why didn’t he visit a shopping mall, or a hospital or some other such public place?
Why did he choose to attack a soldier with a gun? Why did he choose to attack the seat of Canada’s power with security everywhere and which has gone to war with his people? Why did he choose these military targets instead of a civilian one?
I think you are just one of those people who believes everything you are told. I bet you voted for Key. Mindless. You would have supported the leader of Germany in the 1930s going by your level of thinking.
Hey pcplodding, Canada has been helping drop munitions on to Afghan and Iraqi civilians (oh I’m sorry, dropping munitions on to ‘legitimate targets’ which happen to be right next to the civilians) for years now.
(I guess its now NZs time to help out in this general effort, to make us, you know, safer. Because killing never ends in even more killing).
Maybe you can see now how the West is seen by 3/4 of all peoples as the biggest purveyors of death and terror in the world.
I think Transrail wants to collapse the passenger services.
The rail Christchurch to Picton is cancelled over winter till 26 September.
About a year or so ago the fare was $48 – $100 with specials, backpackers, students, pensioner rates as well.
Now there is only one fare: $159. That will of course cut back the numbers so that eventually the trip will lapse for want of patronage.
Economics with political push.
starve starve starve then deliver the coup de grace – with appropriate crocodile tears for the cameras, of course.
Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
Thursday, 23 October 2014, 12:57 pm
Press Release: Terrace Chambers
Press statement in relation to the search of Nicky Hager’s home
On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager’s home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources. Rather than search those documents, the Police sealed them and lodged them with the High Court pending directions from the Court. Mr Hager had concerns that the search was unlawful and sought legal advice.
Mr Hager has now had a chance to consult his lawyers. He believes even more strongly that the Police have acted outside of the law in seizing his property and seeking to search through all of his documents. Mr Hager has decided to challenge the Police’s actions by way of judicial review. He expects to launch those proceedings during the next few days.
In the meantime, the Police are asserting that there is no valid claim for privilege over the documents. The Police are seeking the leave of the Court to file their own proceedings in order to argue that there is no privilege and that they should be allowed to review all of the documents. A preliminary teleconference was held today (23 October 2014) between the High Court, and lawyers for Mr Hager and the Police, to discuss these issues.
My first response to this info. is that the police are acting under instructions from higher up the ladder but how far up the ladder is a very interesting question. In fact is it a ladder which extends beyond NZ? Could the Slater complaint merely be the excuse to sift through Hager’s other work? Example: the FBI/NSA/GCSB modus operandi?
1. The cops, the lawyers and the rest of the government should have to account for every last little bit of taxpayer dollars that they spend turning Nicky Hager over. He hasn’t damaged the NZ public interest one little bit so why the hell are we funding it.
2. What was the timing around raiding him while he wasn’t there. I hope he asks if they have been tracking him to see where he is and who he meets – it all seemed a bit convenient.
3. Yes I assume they want to sift through everything else. If only so they can drift along and lean on a few other people.
The precedent set by this will have far reaching consequences. The irony re Cameron Slater is huge.
If CCTV footage isn’t “property”, what is it?
Did “Tindallgate” (fuck me if I don’t hate these dummheit media labels) just get interesting?
naughty mr key
and a glimpse into the sparse world inside the key brain
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11347190
‘the context around what i think i was doing’ – what a hollow person key is.
q-time next tues promises to be interesting..
..i’m picking there will be a veritable storm of slater-questions for key…
..let the fun begin..!
How many times have you sent important information to the wrong person because you didn’t check the email address?
key says,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11347165
“At the end of the day I think you’d say it was unfortunate” – ummm what about you johnbo – what do you fink?
I think it’s time for another Leunig cartoon. Obviously in an Australian context (Liberals and Labour) but it transfers equally as well to New Zealand.
The Aliens came in three space ships …….. (with thanks to Leunig) 🙂
heh..!..that leunig is v. funny..
UK police arrest young man who throws a water bottle for ‘Plinth Guy’ protestor to catch. This is the kind of police state assf*ckery which seems to be coming to all FVEY nations pretty much simultaneously.
Kelvin Davis gives Hone Harawira some good hard kicks
About “manning up” over Hone’s hiring an alleged sex offender on Parliamentary Services money – but Davis forgets about a little thing called “presumption of innocence.”
http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/harawira-hired-sex-offenders-with-taxpayer-money-2014102318
And interesting how these documents were “leaked.” So they think Harawira might stage a come back in TTT 2017 and want to kill that possibility dead ASAP.
Kelvin Davis isn’t very bright and combined with something else about him that I can’t put my finger on makes him a very toxic presence within Labour.
Him and Nash.
Yes. I often see them as one person.
Another Open Mike which has a first half devoted to the cult of Vega. Tomorrow it’ll probably be how the Greens gifted Ohariu to Dunne. It gets a bit boring, just a bit.
You know at first I thought “Cult of Vega” was a reference to something from the film “Contact”!
Then again PU does seem a bit off planet some days! (or as they would say in Babylon 5 “he’s gone beyond the Rim”) 😈