Open Mike 24/01/2018

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1. eco maori 1

   24 January 2018 at 7:08 am

   The sandfly were that pissed off yesterday they had there muppets making plays right in the cul de sac were I live . They regularly get some of my intimidated clients to join in on their plays some star in them.
   They have a vast network of contracted liars/informers/ NARKS that they use against us the people.

   And this is what is wrong with the justice systems PEOPLE who have morals and wont NARK they get locked up and the NARKS they get to carry on shitting on OUR society
   Lying stealing intimidation selling drugs all with the protection from the sandflies.
   All they have to do to get there get out of jail free card is NARK on anyone be it WHANO or neighbour .These NARKS are spreading there Ideals bad behaviour and Infecting our YOUTH with this immoral behaviour and this is the main reason crime has keeped rising .The sandflies are locking up the wrong PEOPLE and letting there NARKS spread Anarchy .This will piss them right off they can go and get stuffed There is more that I will reveal about OUR justice systems at least the sandflies are to busy chasing me around to stuff with our innocent youths lives PS crime is dropping now the people know the justice system is corrupt Ana to kai
2. eco maori 2

   24 January 2018 at 7:13 am

   I can see you reading my post this is all true.
   Good on you Mike king you tell it like it is KA pai
   • cleangreen 2.1

     24 January 2018 at 5:27 pm

     Yes Eco Maori,

     Mike is a king, – and should be in a left wing political party as he has mana and respect for his work over the years.

     Mike King is simply a wonderful person and should be honoured for this.
     • eco maori 2.1.1

       24 January 2018 at 10:02 pm

       Thanks cleangreen birds of a feather flock together Ka pai
3. eco maori 3

   24 January 2018 at 8:09 am

   I love the morning Rumble show from the Rock radio station Ka pai real kiwis people. It was your show that gave me the song UNFUCK THE WORLD. Ka kite ano
   • Stunned Mullet 3.1

     24 January 2018 at 9:57 am

     You should post some of your vids from your website on the standard Eco, I’m sure many people would be interested in the recipes and ideas and me old chum Robert is always interested in peoples gardens.
   • eco maori 3.2

     24 January 2018 at 1:04 pm

     You may ask your self why would the police put so much effort into trapping ECO Maori he must be a bad Bastard. First this is a personal vandeta from a cop from Gisborne and that red head dick from Tokoroa. Now they won’t leave me and my lawn clients be is because I only have to get ONE client to give evedince for me against the police and walar the police get burned and I will get 2 million and this fact makes most people in the justice system lose sleep can not having a heaven Maori make money out of our mistakes. Ana to kai PS stunned mullet don’t waste my time Boy. Kia kaha
     • eco maori 3.2.1

       24 January 2018 at 5:01 pm

       Nothing wrong with being a silver back it commands respect Ka pai guys Thane and Duncan from the Rock radio station
       Ka pai play a song I would like Ka kite ano
       • eco maori 3.2.1.1

         24 January 2018 at 10:00 pm

         I went to pick up my son in law from the farm and pick up my granddaughter from another farm my daughter stuffed up the pick up places went to 4 different locations I was worried about my moko we found them in the end flat phone and bad reciption what a run around Ka kite ano
     • Stunned Mullet 3.2.2

       24 January 2018 at 5:51 pm

       Not trying to waste your time Eco, just think some more positive posts covering your recipes and architectural musings would be welcomed here.

       https://www.ecomaori.com
     • eco maori 3.2.3

       24 January 2018 at 10:09 pm

       These people I’m talking about are not all gangster most are common folk and the sandflys use there narks to set up bait our Maori youth they have been trying to set me up and bait me look at that program bait car they just catch desperate people WTF Ana to kai
     • eco maori 3.2.4

       24 January 2018 at 10:16 pm

       And thanks to this website I can defend myself and my children and wife from the attacks the sandflys use against US they are scared and desperate muppets who will use anything they can dream up they must have thought they were close to breaking me when I mentioned Australia they poured on the pressure. But Know its like water off a ducks back I seen 10 marked cars in 5 hours Ana to kai
       • eco maori 3.2.4.1

         25 January 2018 at 6:37 am

         Do you think that I would do anything stupid IE a dum thing and put myself in check m8 KNOW so if they con someone to make a false statement well you will know the police have cheated on that move Ana to kai
4. Ed 4

   24 January 2018 at 8:23 am

   The crash is coming.
   Yesterday I posted how senior IMF personnel thought this.
   Now another senior banker says so.
   Be prepared. This will be messy.

   Here is the story from Stuff.

   “’It is frankly scary’: World financial system as stretched as before 2008 crash

   The world financial system is as dangerously stretched today as it was at the peak of the last bubble but this time the authorities are caught in a “policy trap” with few defences left, a veteran central banker has warned.
   Nine years of emergency money has had a string of perverse effects and lured emerging markets into debt dependency, without addressing the structural causes of the global disorder.
   “All the market indicators right now look very similar to what we saw before the Lehman crisis, but the lesson has somehow been forgotten,” said Professor William White, the Swiss-based head of the OECD’s review board and ex-chief economist for the Bank for International Settlements.”

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/world/100831022/it-is-frankly-scary-world-financial-system-as-stretched-as-before-2008-crash
   • One Two 4.1

     24 January 2018 at 9:25 am

     ‘The next crash’ is always pending, Ed

     You didn’t call it, nor did anyone in the links you post…

     The IMF is a key component in creating the problems faced….paying heed to IMF is pointless….
     • David Mac 4.1.1

       24 January 2018 at 10:35 am

       Yep, the person that starts every day with ‘The crash is coming’ will one day be right. Their ‘Told you so’ moment.

       Are we better off to plant seeds in the hope that we’ll get one more season in before the crash or just leave the sacks of seed on the shelf because it’s just round the corner. I’m off sowing, later.
       • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1

         24 January 2018 at 12:16 pm

         The problem isn’t the ‘planting of seeds’ but the rot of the banking sector that eats those seeds for the benefit only of the rot.
   • Draco T Bastard 4.2

     24 January 2018 at 12:14 pm

     “All the market indicators right now look very similar to what we saw before the Lehman crisis, but the lesson has somehow been forgotten,”

     It wasn’t forgotten – it was ignored so as to keep the rich rich rather than letting them crash and burn as required.
5. Morrissey 5

   24 January 2018 at 8:42 am

   Jesse Mulligan approvingly quoted one of Harvey
   Weinstein’s obnoxious woman-hating pals yesterday.
   RNZ National, Tuesday 23 Jan. 2018, 3:20 p.m.

   We’ve encountered Jesse Mulligan’s lack of smarts before….
   https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-11112016/#comment-1259193

   He has not gotten any better, unfortunately. While interviewing Luvvie Ajayi (blogger and “professional trouble maker”) yesterday he approvingly quoted this stupid and typically unfunny comment about rape uttered by “the American comedian Bill Mayer”….

   Bill Mayer? “American comedian Bill Mayer”? Of course, he was talking about the disgusting faux-liberal “comedian” Bill Maher. His guest pronounced the name properly as she subtly criticized Mulligan for quoting someone so lacking in credibility: “Bill Maher says a lot of problematic things…”

   Earlier in the afternoon, Mulligan informed his audience: “I don’t know anything about twentieth century British history” but in order to learn something about it, “I’ve watched all of season 2 of The Royals over the summer.”

   Here, by the way, is Bill Maher getting his ignorant and complacent assss handed to him on his own show…..
   • mikes 5.1

     24 January 2018 at 5:09 pm

     You seem to have something against Mulligan, In your post that you linked to you put him down for not having heard of close to home… He was 5 years old when that show finished so probably never watched it and unless his parents were huge fans why on earth would he ever read or hear about it as he grew up? It was a crappy Kiwi soap opera for goodness sake. I’m 48 and can remember the name but hadn’t read or heard squat about it since, until reading your comment.

     Then you have a go at him about John Souza?? I’ve never heard of the guy either and neither has anyone I’ve asked this afternoon and why would I ? To compare him to Mozart or Beethoven who are hugely famous is laughable. Knowing about an American march composer from the 19th century doesn’t mean you are well read, it just means you have read a bit about the exciting world of 19th century marching music, which probably doesn’t interest most people. Same goes for Close to Home but in the world of soap operas. You should get off your high horse as your criteria for smarts might be different to most other peoples…

     Which stupid and unfunny comment of Mayer’s in the first clip did Mulligan quote? Because I can’t find any comments from Mayer in that clip where he is trying to be funny about rape??

     Then you seem to be having a go at Mulligan about a joke he made earlier in the afternoon. Maybe he knows a whole heap about 20th century British history, how would you know either way, it was a joke FFS!

     Have you ever stopped to think that maybe your views are the minority views?

     If I didn’t know any better I might guess that you were pretty keen on Mr Mulligan…
     • Morrissey 5.1.1

       24 January 2018 at 8:21 pm

       You seem to have something against Mulligan,

       Yes, as I have delineated carefully in the past, Jesse Mulligan lacks the basic knowledge to be a credible interviewer. That’s because he does not read enough.

       In your post that you linked to you put him down for not having heard of close to home… He was 5 years old when that show finished so probably never watched it and unless his parents were huge fans why on earth would he ever read or hear about it as he grew up? It was a crappy Kiwi soap opera for goodness sake. I’m 48 and can remember the name but hadn’t read or heard squat about it since, until reading your comment.

       He hadn’t heard of it because he hasn’t done enough serious reading about New Zealand culture in the 1980s.

       Then you have a go at him about John Souza??

       No, I had a go at him because he had not heard of John Philip Sousa.

       I’ve never heard of the guy either and neither has anyone I’ve asked this afternoon and why would I ?

       That indicates that you, and the people you asked this afternoon, have not done a lot of reading about the United States. Sousa is perhaps the most famous composer ever produced there.

       To compare him to Mozart or Beethoven who are hugely famous is laughable.

       John Philip Sousa is hugely famous too. He is the most well known, and probably the most performed, American composer of all time.

       Knowing about an American march composer from the 19th century doesn’t mean you are well read, it just means you have read a bit about the exciting world of 19th century marching music, which probably doesn’t interest most people. Same goes for Close to Home but in the world of soap operas. You should get off your high horse as your criteria for smarts might be different to most other peoples…

       I don’t expect Mulligan or anyone else to have an expert knowledge of Sousa, or of crappy 1970s soap operas. But he had not even heard of him—“some guy called John Philip Sousa”—which shows an abysmal lack of basic knowledge.

       Which stupid and unfunny comment of Mayer’s [sic] in the first clip did Mulligan quote? Because I can’t find any comments from Mayer [sic] in that clip where he is trying to be funny about rape??

       You can’t? Maher, a friend of Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein, is pouring scorn on the Me Too movement, comparing it to McCarthyism. Mulligan foolishly quoted something from that rant, “given to me by my producer”, which horrified his guest Luvvie Ajayi, who pointed out how dodgy Maher is.

       Then you seem to be having a go at Mulligan about a joke he made earlier in the afternoon. Maybe he knows a whole heap about 20th century British history, how would you know either way, it was a joke FFS!

       I take him at his word: he knows nothing about British history either. And watching a costume drama is not going to make him any more knowledgeable, unfortunately.

       Have you ever stopped to think that maybe your views are the minority views?

       Listening to radio should make you smarter. Listening to Jesse Mulligan, who knows bugger all about anything, that’s not going to happen.

       If I didn’t know any better I might guess that you were pretty keen on Mr Mulligan…

       I’ve praised him before for his quick wit, and his facility for punning. But he’s just not erudite enough to do the job that he’s doing now.
       • Sumsuch 5.1.1.1

         25 January 2018 at 1:17 am

         Jesse Mulligan, I’m sorry to say , is the next generation, as RNZ decided. it’s vastly irritating for us who know the difference between our body-parts ,But no more than the portentous comments of the recent previous. Many a sigh.

         So very tiring for our (hard) educated crowd: we wish to discuss in our language.
         • Morrissey 5.1.1.1.1

           25 January 2018 at 9:56 am

           As bad as Mora was, Mulligan is worse. It’s inconceivable that Mora would be so ignorant as to utter something as ignorant as “some guy called John Philip Sousa.”

           Mora would, though, given his history of citing people like David Brooks and Thomas Friedman, have been stupid enough and callous enough to cite Bill Maher’s idiocy.

           What’s happened to intelligent, well read, well informed broadcasters? People like Sharon Crosby, Ian Fraser, and Chris Laidlaw?
6. Rosemary McDonald 6

   24 January 2018 at 8:49 am

   Puke- making moment of the morning was hearing loan shark Julie Trott trying to convince Natrad listeners that they were providing a ‘service’…rather than acting like scavengers tearing meat from the not yet dead…

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/348763/loan-sharks-target-back-to-school-families-it-s-appalling

   http://www.fasttrackfinance.co.nz/fees.html

   “Fees:
   If you can’t find the info you need, just call us on 0800 232 788.
   The friendly team at Fast Track are ready to help!

   Secured Loans
   Annual rate of interest 34.75%-39.75% p.a.
   Default interest rate 47.50% p.a.
   Establishment Fee $395.00 (New loan)
   Establishment Fee $300 (Existing loan)
   Default Fee of $5.00 per week for missed payments, charged weekly until arrears paid in full
   Default Reminder Letters $6.00 per letter
   Repossession Warning Notices $6.00,
   Dishonour Fee $10.00
   Phone call $6.00, Making a payment by cash $5.00 per payment, Arrangement to pay arrears $20.00,
   Repossession Notices $65.00, payable immediately with arrears,
   Actual Costs against Repossession, payable immediately with arrears
   Full prepayment (Settling the loan early) $75.00
   Unsecured Loans
   Annual rate of interest 34.75%-39.75%p.a.
   Default interest rate 47.50% p.a.
   Establishment Fee $275.00 (New loan)
   Establishment Fee $200 (Existing loan)
   Default Fee of $5.00 per week for missed payments, charged weekly until arrears paid in full
   Default Reminder Letters $6.00 per letter
   Dishonour Fee $10.00
   Phone call $6.00, Making a payment by cash $5.00 per payment, Arrangement to pay arrears $20.00,
   Repossession Notices $65.00, payable immediately with arrears,
   Actual Costs against Repossession, payable immediately with arrears
   Full prepayment (Settling the loan early) $75.00”
   • savenz 6.1

     24 January 2018 at 9:00 am

     @Rosemary – shocking! Should not be allowed to rip off, legally!
   • Ed 6.2

     24 January 2018 at 9:02 am

     Such organisations should be forced out of business
   • millsy 6.3

     24 January 2018 at 9:03 am

     Personally I blame the schools who are shoving more and more costs onto parents as each year goes by. Forcing parents to buy fancy laptops is an insiduous example.
     • Stunned Mullet 6.3.1

       24 January 2018 at 9:43 am

       I don’t blame the schools.

       I do think there is room for more education in schools regarding basic finance/accounting/managing money for students in their later years.
   • millsy 6.4

     24 January 2018 at 9:06 am

     The whole neoliberal system is based on the rapid expansion of credit.
     • mikes 6.4.1

       24 January 2018 at 5:10 pm

       I would change the word “neoliberal” for monetary.
   • David Mac 6.5

     24 January 2018 at 9:16 am

     They are providing a service. Wheel clampers and paua poachers do too.

     If I was their marketing manager I’d be trying to get little promo card holders mounted on pokie machines and brochures into the waiting areas of WINZ offices.

     Not a single politician, not one of the people that regulate our finance industry, none of those that get fat on these schemes, not a single one of them would take on one of these loans, they’d guffaw at the prospect. Every single one of them would advise against a friend or relative ever touching such a line of credit.

     Something is amiss when owners wouldn’t touch their product with a barge pole, it stinks like tobacco.

     We need to kick these legit Mafia operations to the curb.
   • Stunned Mullet 6.6

     24 January 2018 at 9:41 am

     I agree Rosemary, the rates and fees are appalling.

     Many of the rates from ‘reputable’ institutions are almost as bad.

     https://www.interest.co.nz/borrowing/credit-cards
   • Morrissey 6.7

     24 January 2018 at 9:57 am

     Are you really surprised that RNZ National gave her this free platform? After all, they still interview Garth McVicar and his gruesome offsiders, usually introducing them as a “victim’s advocate.”
7. savenz 7

   24 January 2018 at 9:05 am

   Rachel Stewart: Snotty-nosed, pimply-faced little males racing at rocket speeds drive me mad

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11980133

   Police seem to ignore this issue, maybe because it’s easier to fine between 8 – 6 pm than bother to get the boy racers who operate in the weekends and during the night, in less sociable police hours.

   Double standards.
   • David Mac 7.1

     24 January 2018 at 9:31 am

     It’s been a thing forever. 100 years ago the papers led with ’12 intoxicated youths galloped through Timaru last night.’

     We do seem to be increasing the danger component with our rites of passage for young men. I yahoo’d in a 37 horsepower car.
     • Stunned Mullet 7.1.1

       24 January 2018 at 9:44 am

       They should have crushed the horses ..that would’ve showed them !
     • savenz 7.1.2

       24 January 2018 at 6:37 pm

       Well drunk driving was ‘a thing’ but has now been significantly reduced with fines and campaigns.

       I’d prefer a rite of passage that didn’t involve cars as a means of expression for youth, just like we now don’t welcome drunk drivers driving off from the pubs.

       Also some of these ‘youth’ are middle aged having mid life crisis and getting a road motorbike who apparently are a big group having accidents.

       Then there is the motocross/quad bikes plus sized folks, hooning on beaches with 90+ decibels for anyone else in the vicinity and no license plates or police in sight, often with a few plus sized burger grasping children without a license or any road sense in tow. Why walk along beaches if you can drive?
8. james 8

   24 January 2018 at 10:41 am

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/01/forestry-minister-shane-jones-extremely-disappointed-by-proposed-job-losses.html

   I would have thought the governments “billion trees” would have solved this kind of problem.

   /sarc
   • repateet 8.1

     24 January 2018 at 11:03 am

     … but then some might suggest you’re the one who can’t see the wood for the trees …
     /sarc
   • Ad 8.2

     24 January 2018 at 11:13 am

     Looking more like NZF fails so badly to deliver that Labour runs out of 2020 support partners.
   • David Mac 8.3

     24 January 2018 at 1:18 pm

     I was impressed by a speech that Jacinda gave at an East cape saw milling operation whilst on the campaign trail.

     She discussed the 100’s of jobs that had been lost in the industry in recent years. She put that down to knee-jerk reactions to prevailing market conditions and poor long-term planning. I’m inclined to agree with her.
9. Robert Guyton 9

   24 January 2018 at 11:39 am

   I support Pucky on this. Please let it go, Adam.
   • adam 9.1

     24 January 2018 at 2:20 pm

     Let what go – introducing puckish as a racist?
10. weka 10

    24 January 2018 at 11:50 am

    Puckish Rogue, sorry, but I’ve put your comment into Moderation until I can look at it properly. I hear what you are saying about the current accusations about racism, and I will look at that as a moderator (I tend to agree you are being unfairly harassed).

    But your comment also challenges an old moderation by directly criticising a moderator and given what happened last week where many people basically attacked an author I am reluctant to let that stuff have another round.

    I’d prefer it if you just addressed the current issue as being a single commenter harassing you.
    • Puckish Rogue 10.1

      24 January 2018 at 11:57 am

      Hey thats cool, its just that Adam was using what Bill wrote as a reason to act like he is so I attempted to address the issue of what was written and not the person

      I do understand some issues can be contentious so from this point on I’ll just ignore anything Adam says and I’ll try to keep away from that specific issue in future which is probably for the best as anyway

      Cheers
      • weka 10.1.1

        24 January 2018 at 12:02 pm

        Would you be ok if I put your first comment in Trash, and instead you point out the problem comments to me as they happen? When there is a clear pattern of behaviour it’s easier to moderate. That way we don’t have to revisit the old stuff and who was right/wrong etc.

        (I’m aware that I also moderated in that set of events, and I think it’s way too complicated to revisit, so referring to it will take more time and effort than is needed in this case)

        “I’ll try to keep away from that specific issue in future which is probably for the best as anyway”

        I think that’s a good idea. Moderators vary in their tolerance for derailment, so I think it’s certainly worth being more careful in how one comments especially where there is history of moderation (and you have a fair amount).
        • Puckish Rogue 10.1.1.1

          24 January 2018 at 12:06 pm

          Not a problem, whatever you think is best. As I say i’ll just ignore it from here on in so you won’t hear anything from me over this in future

          Cheers
        • adam 10.1.1.2

          24 January 2018 at 1:47 pm

          Hang on the moderation did ask him to explain, he did not at the time, now he trying to litigate it.

          Sorry but racists rarely change their spots.

          If puckish dishes it out, and he does regularly, then he needs to handle it back.

          Just another crying rwnj when they get called on their shitty behaviour.

          [and I’ve watched you calling him a racist in conversations that have nothing to do with racism, and not backing it up with anything. If a RWer was doing that there would be outcries of ‘troll!’. The moderation will kick in when the behaviour becomes a problem and often has nothing to do with the right/wrong of the comments. I think we’ve reached the point of it being a problem. By all means address racism if you see it in PR’s comments, but I’m asking you to stop with having a go across discussions that are completely unrelated to that. – weka]
          • McFlock 10.1.1.2.1

            24 January 2018 at 1:51 pm

            They might not change their spots, but at least PR changes the broken record from time to time.

            He tried to derail a thread in a lazy way over a year ago, and picked up a six month ban. Get over it dude.
            • adam 10.1.1.2.1.1

              24 January 2018 at 2:11 pm

              Lest we forget…
              • McFlock …

                24 January 2018 at 2:19 pm

                By using that phrase you just equated your little harrassment campaign with remembering the deaths of millions of people.

                Get a life.
                • adam …

                  24 January 2018 at 2:21 pm

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNnpYWZ87I&ab_channel=KLChannel
          • weka 10.1.1.2.2

            24 January 2018 at 2:23 pm

            moderation note for you adam.
            • adam 10.1.1.2.2.1

              24 January 2018 at 2:26 pm

              Read.
11. Draco T Bastard 11

    24 January 2018 at 12:21 pm

    The demoralized mind

    As it is absorbed, consumer culture imposes numerous influences that weaken personality structures, undermine coping and lay the groundwork for eventual demoralization. Its driving features—individualism, materialism, hyper-competition, greed, over-complication, overwork, hurriedness and debt—all correlate negatively with psychological health and/or social wellbeing. The level of intimacy, trust and true friendship in people’s lives has plummeted. Sources of wisdom, social and community support, spiritual comfort, intellectual growth and life education have dried up. Passivity and choice have displaced creativity and mastery. Resilience traits such as patience, restraint and fortitude have given way to short attention spans, over-indulgence and a masturbatory approach to life.

    Capitalism: Destroying life, culture and people.
    • ropata 11.1

      24 January 2018 at 8:51 pm

      Exactly.

      I like when people say "communism doesn't work because people are selfish".So the solution is apparently to use a system that gives almost unlimited power to the most selfish people alive??— Existential Comics (@existentialcoms) January 24, 2018

      Capitalism rewards sociopathic behaviour and punishes useful work. Law of the jungle, Rex Lex. Humans only evolved successfully by working in community. Selfishness is a childish attribute— kapai te rewai (Rob) (@ropata) January 24, 2018
    • ropata 11.2

      24 January 2018 at 9:28 pm

      Furthermore:

      Slavery management practices were the precursors of modern business techniquesFrom human beings to human resources pic.twitter.com/PYWsDagnvS— Colin McKay (@DerorCurrency) May 2, 2016

      @DerorCurrency @davidgraeber So nothing has changed; supply of the shackles merely being outsourced to the banks.— Jonathan Rabbitt (@JonathanRabbitt) May 3, 2016
12. Ad 12

    24 January 2018 at 12:53 pm

    Very sorry to hear of the passing of Denise Yates.

    She was a serving Waitakere Local Board member, previous Waitakere City Councillor, staunch Labour activist for decades, and had many hard-won fights behind her.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11980946
13. adam 13

    24 January 2018 at 2:16 pm

    This is just funny, otherwise you’d just cry.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/23/donald-trump-tariffs-solar-panels

    https://www.ft.com/content/288cac76-000c-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

    So much for jobs, for Americans.
14. Peroxide Blonde 14

    24 January 2018 at 2:38 pm

    Dodgy Academics:
    Immigration NZ should be warned to restrict entry to bigots like historians and commentators Gordon Craig, Fritz Stern, Norman Stone, Hugh Trevor-Roper, Timothy Garton-Ash and George Urban.

    Here are some of their views on the Germans as fed to Margaret Thatcher prior to German Re-unification.

    “Germans were said to be insensitive to the feelings of others, “most noticeable in their behaviour over the Polish border”, self-obsessed and “inclined to self-pity and a longing to be liked”.

    The extraordinary accumulation of negative stereotypes continued: “Some even less flattering attributes were also mentioned as an abiding part of the German character: in alphabetical order, angst, aggressiveness, assertiveness, bullying, egotism, inferiority complex, sentimentality.” A capacity to “overdo things” and “over-estimate their own strengths and capabilities” was also added to the list.

    Modern Germans “were very different from their predecessors”, it was acknowledged, but the fact that a “cultured and cultivated nation” had previously been “brainwashed into barbarism” meant it could happen again.”

    Their students are the ones advising the current London government on Brexit!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/30/helmut-kohl-margaret-thatcher-reunification-plans-national-archives-files
15. Stuff The Politicians 15

    24 January 2018 at 3:26 pm

    I hope this is the correct place, to place this.

    Just another American cock up .

    And an Enviromental disaster in the making for the Pacific Ocean and the Pacific Islands.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/the-dome-runit-island-nuclear-test-leaking-due-to-climate-change/9161442
    • alwyn 15.1

      24 January 2018 at 4:15 pm

      IT isn’t really going to have any effect on anywhere except perhaps within a few hundred meters of the site. It is certainly not going to have any effect on the Pacific Ocean as a whole.
      You do realise that there are about 4.5 billion tons of Uranium present in seawater.
      That is there naturally.
      • Stuff The Politicians 15.1.1

        24 January 2018 at 8:47 pm

        Certainly a lot more to it than Uranium.

        According to you, I guess plutonium is ok as well plus the 85.000 cubic metres of radio active waste.
        Which, as the article says, has a half life of over 24.000 years..

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