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Open mike 24/02/2020

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54 comments on “Open mike 24/02/2020”

  1. Sacha 1

    Useful explanation – the Winston First foundation is all about his control freakery: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/119702717/the-real-purpose-of-the-nz-first-foundation-control

    • Jimmy 1.1

      Yes I think NZF could be in a bit of trouble. Ardern needs to take a leaf out of Helen Clark's book and act decisively against Winston else Labour are going to be tainted by association.

      • Sacha 1.1.1

        The difference is that last time Winston was directly involved in the fundraising in question.

        A PM acting because the opposition want her to is not 'strong' in anyone's book, despite their bleating.

        • Psycho Milt 1.1.1.1

          A PM acting because the opposition want her to is not 'strong' in anyone's book, despite their bleating.

          Just felt like the above bears repeating, because fuck yes. Ardern doesn't need any lessons on leadership.

          • Sacha 1.1.1.1.1

            Yet all we get in media is silly old fossils like John Armstrong regurgitating what he learned on his pappy's knee about what a real leader acts like. Growl at villagers, kill bear with bare hands, etc.

            • McFlock 1.1.1.1.1.1

              It's interesting how the longer she resists the pressure from the media and opposition, the more they call her "weak".

              It's as if they don't know the meaning of the word.

  2. WeTheBleeple 2

    Does anyone know where I go to find out who owns a local business?

  3. mosa 3

    Some interesting discussions on a possible brokered convention in July.



  4. joe90 4

    Peak bureaucracy peaks.

    • Peter 4.1

      There's a nice sort of parallel there.

      We have a National government which helped create all sorts of problems with housing in NZ. They denied there was a crisis and complain that someone else hasn't been effective in sorting the problems out. And then give us the grand solution: vote for National because they can sort out our housing problems.

      Now what sort of virus would you have to have had eating your brain out to go with that sort of logic?

  5. greywarshark 5

    If you are interested in better social conditions there is a forum in Porirua on the 4th of March in the morning for people at the grassroots giving and needing help, to talk over the issues and how to get traction.

    The People’s Voices forum is a unique event where people who often feel let down or unheard by the system will share their stories and ideas for change – on their own terms.

    If your job involves making decisions that affect the lives of others, this forum is for you. A selection of whānau who often experience a range of hardships will be talking directly to policy makers and others who work in systems designed to help those who are struggling.

    Organised by Wesley Community Action, with support from the Honourable Justice Sir Joe Williams and Children’s Commissioner Judge Andrew Becroft, the People's Voices forum will give funders, policy makers, decision makers and the media a chance to listen, with the agenda set by the people themselves.

    Link with info and to register. I don't know the cost – they were calling for help with costs through givealittle. This is affirmed by the Celia Lashlie Trust ongoing work.

    https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/peoples-voices-forum-tickets-91267448395

  6. Sacha 6

    Graphed actual traffic figures for NZ's highway and motorway network shows what a la-la land the moar roads chumps are living in: https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2020/02/24/thinking-about-expressways/

  7. RedLogix 7

    I heard this hypothesis about COVID19 from my Chinese source (this person is highly educated, credentialed and credible) a week ago; now it is published.

    There is rock solid evidence and papers published in Nature that show work was being undertaken at the Wuhan research institute to combine the original SAR's and a novel bat coronavirus.

    There is every reason to think that instead of destroying research animals when they were no longer needed, someone was selling them in the wet markets instead. This is not preposterous, there has already been a convicted case of this at large scale.

    Or someone working there got infected accidentally and it escaped that way. This is highly plausible. I first-hand know of two separate incidents where people working in this type of lab have had this happen to them.

    While it's wrong to call this virus a bioweapon (it has all the wrong characteristics), I believe it is definitely synthetic. It's established in South Korea, Iran and Italy … and it is proven to have incubation or non-symptomatic periods in excess of 24 days. (No-one really knows what the upper limit is. Numerous people have now done 14 day quarantines and then later shown positive.)

    The good news is that an Australian team may be able to produce a decent vaccine within a few months. They've done it before and believe they can repeat this; if they do it will be a bloody miracle.

  8. WeTheBleeple 8

    The dinosaurs are not dead, they live on in Southland. A stunning display of ignorance, obstinacy and entitlement. Whitebaiters, or white baters?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/119740324/whitebaiters-eye-court-action-if-government-proposals-get-greenlight

    • Alice Tectonite 8.1

      Not only dinosaurs, but sexist dinosaurs.
      "chick scientists"
      Its the 21st century FFS.

    • Cinny 8.2

      Whitebaiters don't care about the species, the only thing they appear to be worried about is that their tax free income is going to disappear.

      • cricklewood 8.2.1

        Nah that's an over reach, sure some are wankers most are not… I know plenty who care about and work to improve the waterways that provide the habitat for whitebait.

        I'd also say the urban development, industrial usage, Dairy, hell even flood protection works have done far more to damage Whitebait habitat and stocks than the catch it's self.

        Look at the state of our harbours and urban streams, filled with literal shit, garbage, oils, tyre rubber and god knows what else.

    • AB 8.3

      It seems that the best defence against scientific evidence is to start a culture war. That, plus the locals always think they know better than the scientists because last time out they saw heaps of [insert endangered species here]. A bit depressing – but it doesn't help to write them off as 'deplorables' because that's playing the culture war game too.

      • Cinny 8.3.1

        Maybe ken cochranes' excuse to ensure a tax free, no quota income from whitebait is to start a culture war.

        He's on the Fish and Game Council, I wonder how they feel about his behaviour?

        • Graeme 8.3.1.1

          Fish and Game are all about the protection and enhancement of introduced predators. Conservation has little to do with their remit.

          F & G also came out the wrong end of a recent Environment Court judgement, it's a bit of a read but interesting how Judge Jackson builds his argument. If Jackson's reasoning is allowed to stand it's pretty much the end of F & G's statutory protection and role.

          Expect to see lots more outbursts like this as they drift off into irrelevancy alongside the gun nuts and Fuck 1080 lot

          • weka 8.3.1.1.1

            what's going on there? The ORC set minimum flow, and irrigation take, and the EC lowered the minimum flow and raised the irrigation take, presumably at the behest of farmers. How is F & G in the wrong here to challenge that?

            https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/fish-game-appeal-over-lindis-flows

            "Fish and Game are all about the protection and enhancement of introduced predators. Conservation has little to do with their remit."

            That's harsh. Not all river care (conservation) is about native species.

            • Graeme 8.3.1.1.1.1

              F& G have taken a very hard nosed approach to water take consent renewals and have let their passion get in the way of reason. I've had a recent interaction with them renewing consent for a small scheme I manage and found them obstructive and confrontational in their dealings. It took a lot of effort to convince them that there were no issues with the consent.

              It looks like the same attitudes were prevalent in the Lindis appeal the Judge didn't seem to have much time for Fish and Game's arguments. ORC's minimum flow regime has been in trouble as well and they are having to redraft the Regional Water Plan. In the end Judge Jackson, thought the irrigator's science had more merit than ORC's.

              High Court appeal will be interesting. Fish and Game will be fighting for their lives, if Jackson is upheld their statutory protection is over and DOC will have more say in freshwater management. One thing that came out of my recent experience is that DOC (who were brilliant to deal with) and F & G aren't on the same page.

        • Sacha 8.3.1.2

          They seem unamused:

  9. Sacha 9

    More dodginess within right-leaning political parties: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/sustainable-nz-leader-vernon-tava-accused-of-ordering-membership-records-doctored.html

    The party's former secretary Helen Cartwright has told Newshub she was asked to doctor membership records so the party could be registered.

  10. adam 10

    The man the DNC pushed for, so much for women's rights in the democratic party.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-lp-nda-china/

  11. Gosman 11

    I am always up for a debate Aaron. What is it that you think needs debating here? Is it that having a hard left radical (in the US context) like Sanders as the Democratic nominee for US President is likely to alienate moderate Dems thus increasing the chances Trump will be re-elected?

    [If you go back to that post’s thread with any more “in the weeds” bullshit, I’ll give you a fortnight or three to swirl around in whatever off-line weeds of your choice. – B]

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

  12. Eco Maori 12

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    The poverty trap has been 40 years in the making.

    Climate change Sea level rising is a big problem for our Pacific Cousin.

    Keying A Tesla was the wrong thing to do.

    Ka kite Ano

  13. Eco Maori 13

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News

    It would be good to see benefit rates increase to the levels that will make our childrens lives better.

    Ka kite Ano

  14. Eco Maori 14

    Kia Ora The Am Show.

    ACC needs to be cleaned up they would rather spend money on consultancy than actual paying out money to people who are paying acc insurance fees.????.

    Child poverty is a mess in national party’s making. I won't raise gst. There is no housing shortage.

    We should be treating Wai as a Taonga and using minimal Wai as possible all THE TIME not just in dry seasons .???.

    Self awareness is a trait that humanity needs to embrace not denial.

    Plastic waste pouring in our environment carbon pouring into our environment and world leaders deniers this is having a negative impact on our environment. This his is a basic principle that we should be teaching our tamariki and Mokopuna not grown adults.????.

    I quite like bagpipes.

    Ka kite Ano

  15. Eco Maori 15

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    Global warming how many years have we been warned about the consequences of this phenomenon.

    That will teach people to respect Wahine.

    Ka kite Ano.

  16. Eco Maori 16

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    The Army is carting Wai for North land Towns that cool.

    Its quite dry in other district to.

    Porirua Iwi and council working together to provide clean Wai for Te tangata is cool.

    Ka kite Ano

  17. Eco Maori 17

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    That's correct unless you have good Internet skills and devices it would be very hard to access social services.

    Wai is A essential phenomenon hence it needs to be treated with more respect.

    Processed food has high rates of carcinogen propertys hence natural grass fed food is much safer to consume.

    Ka kite Ano

  18. Eco Maori 19

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    Lower fuel prices will be great.

    Hauraki gulf Fisheries is in bad shape that is sad ban trawling there and set up more marine reserves to.

    Ka kite Ano

  19. Eco Maori 20

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    Mana Wahine Dr Cook Wahine deserves equality it will be awesome for our society when that happens.

    Aotearoa needs to train more Maori and Pacific nurses it's good that plans are being implemented to achieve this.

    Cool that Titirangi Mounga has had 60.000 plus native trees planted.

    Good national campaign teaching people how to check the safety of their Waka. I never even checked the oil and Wai in my first few Waka.

    Ka pai to the new Maori Power company Nau mai ra Cool great idea. Yes Maori Culture used to be based on koha giving back to the tangata not many like that these days.

    Ka kite Ano

  20. Eco Maori 21

    Kia Ora The Am Show.

    Its good to highlight our native wildlife.

    There you go wealthy people are treated differently to the common person.

    Squawk squad cool digital environment educationing tamariki.

    There is a positive to be found in most situations.

    Ka kite Ano

  21. Eco Maori 22

    Looks like they are editing Eco Maori
    The new parade will be a flop

  22. Eco Maori 23

    If they would leave me and my whanau alone I will leave them alone

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    6 days ago
  • Managed isolation and quarantine update
    Following a second incident in which a person escaped from a managed isolation facility, security is being enhanced, including more police presence onsite, Minister Megan Woods said. “The actions of some individuals who choose to break the very clear rules to stay within the facilities means that more resourcing is ...
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    6 days ago
  • Funding for Kaipara district community waste programmes
    Waste reduction and recycling programmes in Kaipara are set to get a boost with Associate Environment Minister Eugenie Sage today announcing a $361,447 grant from the Ministry for the Environment’s Waste Minimisation Fund (WMF) Sustainable Kaipara. “The new funding will allow Sustainable Kaipara to partner with local schools, kura, community ...
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    6 days ago
  • Government will support the people and economy of Southland
    The Government will support the Southland economy in the wake of multinational mining company Rio Tinto’s decision to follow through with its long signalled closure of the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter. “This day has unfortunately been on the cards for some time now, but nevertheless the final decision is a ...
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    6 days ago
  • New transformational tools for the Predator Free 2050 effort
    New tools being developed to help boost Aotearoa’s Predator Free 2050 effort were unveiled today by Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage and Under Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau. A new rat poison, a camera with predator recognition software to detect and report predators, a new predator lure and a ...
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    6 days ago
  • New Armoured vehicles for New Zealand Army
    The Coalition Government has approved the purchase of a fleet of Bushmaster vehicles to replace the New Zealand Army’s armoured Pinzgauers, Defence Minister Ron Mark has announced today. The new fleet of 43 Australian-designed and built Bushmaster NZ5.5 will provide better protection for personnel and improved carrying capacity. “The age ...
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    7 days ago
  • Community-led solutions to prevent family violence
    The Government’s three prevention frameworks to reduce family violence in Aotearoa were launched this week by Associate Minister for Social Development Poto Williams.   The frameworks were developed in partnership with communities around New Zealand, and build on the work the Government has already begun with its new family violence prevention ...
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    7 days ago
  • Govt confirms investment in better radiology and surgical services for Hawke’s Bay
    The Government is pleased to confirm funding for improvements to radiology and surgical services at Hawke's Bay DHB, Health Minister Chris Hipkins says.     "The Minister of Finance the Hon Grant Robertson and former Health Minister Dr David Clark approved funding for Hawke's Bay DHB’s redevelopment of their radiology facilities ...
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    7 days ago
  • Specialist alcohol and drug addiction services strengthened across New Zealand
    •    New funding for four beds at Napier’s Springhill Residential Addiction Centre •    A new managed withdrawal home and community service, and peer support before and after residential care at Tairāwhiti DHB  •    A co-ordinated network of withdrawal management services throughout the South Island •    Peer support in Rotorua and ...
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    7 days ago
  • Coastal Shipping Webinar
    Introduction, seafarers and POAL Good morning everyone, I am delighted to be online with you all today. Before I begin, I have to acknowledge that COVID-19 has disrupted the maritime sector on an unprecedented scale. The work of seafarers and the maritime industry is keeping many economies around the world ...
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    1 week ago
  • Support for resilient rail connection to the West Coast
    A $13 million investment from Government will create jobs and improve the resilience of the rail connection between Christchurch and the West Coast, Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones and Regional Economic Development Under-Secretary Fletcher Tabuteau say. The funding comes from the tagged contingency set aside in Budget 2020 for infrastructure projects ...
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    1 week ago
  • Major investment in safe drinking water
    The Government is investing $761 million to assist local government upgrade under-pressure water services across the country, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today.  The announcement was made at the site of the water bore that was found to be the source of the fatal ...
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  • Supporting stranded seasonal workers to keep working with more flexible options
    Recognised Seasonal Employers and migrant seasonal workers stranded in New Zealand will be able to continue working and supporting themselves with more flexible hours and roles, says Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway. The time-limited visa changes are: Stranded RSE workers will be able to work part-time (a minimum of 15 hours ...
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    1 week ago
  • Relief for temporary migrants, employers and New Zealanders who need work
    The Government is making immediate short-term changes to visa settings to support temporary migrants already onshore in New Zealand and their employers, while also ensuring New Zealanders needing work are prioritised, Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. We are: Extending temporary work visas due to expire by the end of 2020 ...
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    1 week ago
  • Freshwater commissioners and fast-track consenting convenor appointed
    Professor Peter Skelton CNZM has been appointed as Chief Freshwater Commissioner and Alternate Environment Court Judge Craig James Thompson as Deputy Chief Freshwater Commissioner for the newly established Freshwater Planning Process (FPP). Environment Minister David Parker today also announced the appointment of Chief Environment Court Judge Laurie Newhook as the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Appointment of Judge of the High Court
    Auckland Queen’s Counsel Neil Campbell has been appointed a Judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Campbell graduated with a BCom and LLB (Hons) from the University of Auckland in 1992. He spent two years with Bell Gully Buddle Weir in Auckland before travelling to the United ...
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    1 week ago
  • Feedback sought – Commercial Film and Video Production Facilities
    The Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration, Poto Williams, is seeking feedback on a proposal to better enable the development and operation of commercial film and video facilities in Christchurch. The Proposal, developed by Regenerate Christchurch in response to a request from Christchurch City Council, asks that powers under section ...
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    1 week ago
  • Govt launches bold primary sector plan to boost economic recovery
    The Government has launched a bold plan to boost primary sector export earnings by $44 billion over the next decade, while protecting the environment and growing jobs. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern today released Fit for a Better World – Accelerating our Economic Potential, a 10-year roadmap to unlock greater value ...
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  • Wellbeing of whanau at heart of new hub
    A new approach to prevent family harm that encourages greater collaboration across government and community groups is being celebrated at the opening of a new facility in Auckland. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern today opened the Multi-Disciplinary Family Harm Prevention Hub Te Taanga Manawa in Lambie Road in Manukau. The facility ...
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  • New Report on Auckland Port Relocation
    The Government has released a major new report on the options for relocating the Port of Auckland’s freight operations while deferring any decision on the issue. “That decision needs to be informed by policy analysis that is still to be completed. As a result it will be up to a ...
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  • Dual place names for Te Pātaka-o-Rākaihautū / Banks Peninsula features
    The history of Rāpaki is being restored through the inclusion of te reo in thirteen official place names on Te Pātaka-o-Rākaihautū / Banks Peninsula and around Lyttelton Harbour/Whakaraupō, the Minister for Land Information, Eugenie Sage, announced today.   “I am pleased to approve the proposals from Te Hapū o Ngāti ...
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  • Government and Air New Zealand agree to manage incoming bookings
    Bookings for seats on Air New Zealand flights into New Zealand will be managed in the short term to ensure the Government is able to safely place New Zealanders arriving home into a managed isolation or quarantine facility, says Housing Minister Megan Woods.  “Last week Air Commodore Darryn Webb and I ...
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