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Open mike 24/12/2014

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Mike SabinThe Authors of the Standard are now in holiday mode. Posting will be less regular and dependant on individual author enthusiasm. Open mike will continue every day and prepare yourself for some year in review posts and some recycling of old stuff. And as R0b has said be nice to each other.

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190 comments on “Open mike 24/12/2014”

  1. mickysavage 1

    For people wondering about today’s choice of picture his first name is Mike although he is not being very open with the press …

  2. “Captured Yazidi girls in Iraq are killing themselves to escape rape and torture at the hands of Isis (Islamic State) militants holding them prisoner.”


    Thank goodness Amnesty international aren’t “using women” as a reason to engage in “imperialist military intervention”.

    • Tracey 2.1

      “…Suspected Boko Haram gunmen kidnapped 172 women and children and killed 35 other people on Sunday during a raid on the northeast Nigerian village of Gumsuri, residents said on Thursday. …”

      Is Key speaking to Obama about this in response to the USA wanting to launch military action to prevent this terrorist group?

    • The Murphey 2.2

      Q. Are you buying into the propaganda or are you trying to point score ?

      • The Al1en 2.2.1

        Q. Do you do anything apart from ask questions you’ve already decided the answer for?

        And Amnesty International is now a propaganda machine. Okay. 🙄

        • The Murphey

          Q. Should your choice to not respond be taken that you were seeking to point score from a few days ago?

          VTO I believe it was you were engaged with.

          • The Al1en

            You’re appear as dense as +100 girl. You believe incorrectly.

            Nb, If you want proper answers, you’ll have to address the leading/framing nature of the question. Hence my original reply.

            As it is, the first part I’ve answered – “And Amnesty International is now a propaganda machine. Okay. 🙄 ”

            The second bit, partly, sort of, but not exactly. If anything, more like rubbing the cats nose in it when it sh1ts in the bath, but mostly to highlight the horrors of the situation and to note I’m on the same page with AI.

            Okay for you?

  3. (are key/joyce complicit/corrupt..?

    ..or just blindingly incompetent..?..

    ..it has to be one or the other..)


  4. Morrissey 4

    Why was Key allowed to do a PR thing on National Radio this morning?
    He’s shown public radio nothing but contempt all year.

    Radio NZ National, Wednesday 24 December 2014, 7:20 a.m.

    Suzy Ferguson has just announced that this is the time of year when we let the politicians, “whom we have spent so much time talking with this year”, to extend season’s greetings to the listeners.

    First up someone, who sounds like he’s slightly alcohol-impaired, starts to say something: “I’d like to take the opportu’ity….”

    That was the Prime Minister, who has NOT spent much time at all talking to National Radio this year. I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard Guyon Espiner or Geoff Robinson or Suzy Ferguson say this year: “And the Prime Minister declined to comment” or “The Prime Minister declined to come on the programme.”

    On Monday’s edition of “From the Left and From the Right”, Matthew Hooton gloated about how Key had been on nearly every commercial FM station over the last week—“because that’s where elections are won, and not by coming on National Radio.”

    Key and the rest of his henchmen have largely avoided talking to public radio; Joyce and Engllsh bail almost as frequently as Key does. Yet the producers—or more likely the management—at Radio New Zealand National have obviously insisted that Key be granted another PR gift.

    I would bet Bill Clinton’s monthly whoring budget that most of the journalists and staff at Nat. Rad. were not happy about this.

    • batweka 4.1

      Maybe Mediawatch will do an analysis of Key’s appearances in RNZ in 2014 👿

    • Skinny 4.2

      Key, Joyce and other National MP’s need not appear on radio NZ when they have their paid consultant, the cheerleading spin merchant Hooton to shovel their horse shit gribble.

      • OncewasTim 4.2.1

        …………. as he did this morning. Ryan me thinks doesn’t quite know how to handle him – despite all her efforts he just ignores her while pumping the spin. About time she stopped viewing him as just ‘a bit of a Hoot’

    • Treetop 4.3

      About a week ago on radio Key made reference to the up and coming cricket world cup, which is being held in NZ, (not sure if some matches are held in Aussie). All I could think was, that this is when more details of the state housing sell off will be announced. I wonder what he has up his sleeve for the rugby world cup later in the year?

      Oh the diversion of sport and the part it plays in politics!

    • Lanthanide 4.4

      Key appeared on National Radio on Morning Report almost every Monday after the new format started. He also came on for a couple of extra midweek interviews as well.

      You may recall guyon’s interview where Key refused to answer the question – that was one of their weekly interviews, and Key *did* appear for the next weekly interview after that.

      It was the old show with Geoff Robinson and assorted co-hosts that Key very seldom appeared on.

  5. philj 5

    RNZ is increasingly under the spell of its masters. Its funding has been frozen for over 5 years. More USA and UK fluff and spin. NZ’ers need a wider perspective. Alt media is the future for those who want to be informed and not dumbed down. Lift your game RNZ, you are failing NZ.

  6. Ad 6

    Got a great job for the GCSB:
    Form a national strategy to protect us from cyber attack.

    Obama calls the North Korean attack against Sony “cyber vandalism”, with legalistic parsing. Probably because his economy is most vulnerable of all to attack. But Pentagon has no strategy on it. Lights go off in Pyontang – daily. Lights go off in New York – global panic and market crash.

    We are great at civil defence for natural disasters. What GCSB could do is change it’s role and roll out a nationwide web defence strategy. Make themselves look useful.

    Apparently it’s a public sector need; Endace are going down the gurgler despite sackful a of public subsidy.

    Go on GCSB; look sharpish.

    • Colonial Rawshark 6.1

      They’re too busy enabling spying on their own citizens to worry about any of that public service BS.

      By the way, the Pentagon has fully integrated cyberwarfare capabilities into its philosophy of ‘full spectrum dominance’. Further, the US are outstanding innovators in the field of cyberwarfare and defends its systems from being hacked by China, Russia, etc on a continuous basis.

      • Tracey 6.1.1

        and working on cyber security for our big companies, another corporate subsidy but one we cant look behind

        • Colonial Rawshark

          Well, one of the biggest intruders into western communication networks (including western commercial networks) are our very own allies the USA and our very own FVEY partners. So what can we do about that. Wikileaks has made it very clear that the US spies on executives of foreign companies in order to gain competitive advantage for its own corporates, for instance.

      • Ad 6.1.2

        Check out ForeignPolicy.com today – they disagree with you.

        • Colonial Rawshark

          They want me to register to access the article by Rothkopf. Can I be bovered…

          Are you sure this is not just another piece encouraging even more US tax payer dollars into the already huge budget for the NSA/cyberwarfare?

          • Ad

            My point was to relocate the attack on Sony on any major NZ film producer.
            Precisely the high value and low mass export industry we need right now. It’s going gangbusters.

            We are still very early in the cyber-economy, and if Sony can’t defend itself, we should pay attention. GCSB can defend their own militarised patch – about the circle of a water tanker in a forest fire. Distance is no defence from attack and we need a GCSB who can show they are defending NZs interests.

            • The Murphey

              Q. Are SONY still releasing the movie?

              Q. Where is the evidence of the ‘hack’?

    • nadis 6.2

      Well, it is allegedly the first thing on their mission statement…….

      GCSB contributes to New Zealand’s national security by providing:

      Information assurance and cyber security to the New Zealand Government and critical infrastructure organisations
      Foreign intelligence to government decision-makers
      Cooperation and assistance to other New Zealand government agencies.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.3

      Probably won’t do a hell of a lot of good due to this:

      TiSA is clearly a tool to undermine European data protection laws. The leaked text would allow any transfer of personal information to the rest of the world without safeguards. This is in breach of EU law and would make a whole chapter of the on-going EU data protection reform null and void.

      That’s about the TISA but I suspect that the TPPA has similar in it.

  7. Tracey 7

    What does “success” look like in a Capitalist system?


  8. bloody hell..nine-to-noon gets really interesting for the first time..

    ..and ryan closes it down..cuts to a song..

    ..and then goes to a fluff-story..

    ..hooton and rod oram were going hammer and tongs at each other..

    ..with ryan in the background trying to get them to stop..

    ..and ya hafta ask..’why?’..

    ..what/where was the problem in hooton/oram thrashing that one out..?

    ..hooton was pushing his usual ‘there is no real inequality1′ spin/bullshit..

    ..and oram was calling him on that..

    ..and ryan has just let hooton run that bullshit time and time again..unquestioned..on his platform on her show..

    ..and for once the bullshit that it is is called..

    ..and ryan instantly closes it down/scolds..

    ..and there was an interesting insight into hooton with/from a dog/cat question..

    hooton:..’we had a dog once..it was a labra-doodle..but it just looked too sad..

    ..so we got rid of it’..

    (all said in a disdainful/ennui-drenched-voice..)

    ..make of that what you will..

    • Bearded Git 8.1

      Spot on Phillip. Hooton was really pissed off when Oram shot him down in flames.

      It says eveything about Ryan that she shut the debate down because she “needed to keep her audience”.

      I sent RNZ a text (which Ryan will not read out) saying “you are keeping your audience by having a genuine debate about inequality in the economy and Mike Williams point about luxury car sales and food parcel handouts increasing at the same time was excellent”.

      It seems Williams can only front up to Hooton when he has someone like Oram backing him up.

      • phillip ure 8.1.1

        williams is likely curled up in a corner somewhere..getting a tongue-lashing from hooton..for daring to defy/question him..

        ..as we speak..

        • Bearded Git

          Ha ha but didn’t Hooton hate being called out?…….I really would like to see wealth numbers based on assets owned for the top 2% 5% and 10% of NZ’s versus those for the bottom 50% over the last 6 years of this National government.

          Anyone out there got these numbers?

        • philj

          Thanks for the link. I listened and was shocked that JK wished Linda a happy Christmas and looked forward to continued support. Was this real or a joke.

    • Skinny 8.2

      A happy household a happy dog, a sad household a sad dog. Animals are very intuitive and pick up on bad karma, little wonder their dog was sad.

      Meanwhile at our place (which is a zoo) the budgies screech drunk on seed bell, the lizards smile on their rock under the heat lamp, Mr & Mrs Froggy croak from their pond. The cat & the little min pin dog hoon around the garden table playfully leaping all over each other, joining in the fun is the goat who likes to be included, all be it he plays rough with those horns & loves to charge & bunt his father.. me. Ours is a happy household reflected by our pets crazy behavior.

    • Morrissey 8.3

      Hooton kept shouting: “You’re a Fabian! You’re a Fabian!” It was similar to the behaviour of another right wing stalwart, Roger Kerr (RIP) a decade or so ago. Just like Hooton this morning, Kerr was unable to offer a coherent response—on this occasion to Kim Hill. Kerr kept saying, disruptively, “Kim, are you a Marxist? Are you a Marxist? Are you a Marxist?”

      Hooton’s aim this morning was simply to destroy the conversation. He had nothing intelligent to say, and he was incensed to be contradicted on a forum where he is usually allowed to run rampant. Over the last few weeks, Hooton has denigrated Laila Harré incessantly, whenever he has been given the chance. He’s called her “loser of the year”, and claimed that her reputation has been “irredeemably tarnished”. He’s been doing this on television and on several radio stations. This is because Laila Harré repeatedly got the better of Hooton when she used to be in the “From the Left” seat on Monday mornings—the seat now filled by a robot which repeats: “I agree with Matthew.”

      We can expect a similar campaign of nasty little comments directed at Rod Oram now. Hooton doesn’t like being shown up and humiliated like he was this morning; that’s why he likes to spend most of his time with the respectable but dim types in the National Party.

      • Paul 8.3.1

        Hooton is a total bs artist.
        Rod Oram called him out and showed how Hooton plays with stats.
        Kathryn Ryan clearly a Tory……just didn’t want someone to challenge Hooton’s story.

        • phillip ure

          i understand ryan got a paper-cut the other day..

          ..and she bled blue…

          • Paul

            I find Hooton quite repulsive.
            How he is allowed to propagate his ideas on RNZ beats me, especially after the revelations in Dirty Politics.

            • phillip ure

              aye..!..i thought that wd see him ditched..

              ..if not that..

              ..what wd it take..?

              • Paul

                Nothing, it appears.
                Jordan Williams still gets on doesn’t he?

                • i haven’t heard him since dirty politics..

                  ..maybe he was the panelist thrown under the dirty politics bus..?

                  ..to save hooton..?

                  ..hooton wd have done the actual throwing..

                  ..he wd just think of williams as a (too) sad-eyed dog..

                  ..he/who had to go..

                  • fender

                    Fuck it was funny to read about Jordan Williams being ordered by Slater to ‘get down to the pub Back Benchers and video Winston Peters pissed off his tree’. Williams did as he was told of course only to discover he had got out of bed for nothing because Winston had not been there after all.

      • Rodel 8.3.2

        Just another example of shallow Hooton, voicing his ideologies without facts verses a professional like Oram who know more about real numbers and stats.
        Williams showed a bit of nous for a change.

        It was time someone challenged Hooton’s pre – prepared grandstanding.

        If rnz continues to spend our money on Hooton I hope they pair him with Oram in future. If so I’ll revise my listening habits and maybe tune in to Monday mornings again.

    • OncewasTim 8.4

      @ PU – see above. She doesn’t quite know how to cope eh?
      and btw Phil – a ding dong Merrily on High to you and Season’s Greatings to the rest of youSE

    • OncewasTim 8.5

      I’m in auto-moderation @ Phil (PRESUMABLY because of comments made on that thread relating to Steven Choooooice’s Bugger’s Muddle of a Muntry by Karol (aka MoBIE) – so maybe have a ding dong Merrily on Middle (everything in moderation doncha know) instead of the previous greeting. Could of course be for other reasons and it’s not my intention to offend, nor is it my site to determine the rules. Nor would I be heartbroken or devastated if I was to be sanctioned further.
      Activisim ain’t what it used to be eh? …. but I’m thinking the pendulum is almost at it’s limit

  9. SDCLFC 9

    This one sihts me and has gone somewhat unnoticed –

    Foodstuffs have sold a large block of inner city Wellington land they were planning to develop for nearly 10 years.

    To make way for the supermarket a long established community swimming school was evicted and the building demolished.

    What a bunch of sihtbags.

    • Te Reo Putake 9.1

      Pisses me off, too. I lived on Tasman Street for a few years and the pool was a real focus for the Mt Cook community. It’s still a lovely part of the capital, but a monstrous embassy isn’t likely to add much to the atmosphere. Still, better than yet another supermarket and associated traffic problems, I suppose.

  10. Haven’t seen any comments here about the Dotcom decision.
    Dotcom tweets ‘read the first twenty pages’ of the majority decision that rejects his appeal to the Supreme Court that the search warrant was invalid because it was in effect a ‘general warrant’ that allowed the cops to trawl for anything, and then send it off the the US.

    Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom · 18h 18 hours ago
    Read the first 28 pages of today’s Supreme Court judgement in my case. Chief Justice of New Zealand vs Govt friends.

    That’s Sian Elias’ minority report that backs the High Court Judge, Helen Winkelman that the search warrant was invalid.
    Both outstanding female jurists, in agreement with the Law Commission.
    The male jurists in the majority, follow the shonkey capitalist line that NZ law can be interpreted how they like so long as it is stamped by the US Hollywood stooge AG Eric Holder as ‘valid’.

    • Colonial Rawshark 10.1

      thanks DB.

    • Murray Rawshark 10.2

      What they’re saying is that sloppy police work is fine as long as it’s in the service of the empire. There must be some invisible ink clause in The Bill of Rights that says, Notwithstanding any misbehaviour or breaches of local law and regulations by the New Zealand Police, official American desires will take precedence.

      This is an incredibly dangerous precedent, because ngati poaka already go twice as far as they’re allowed to. This sort of judicial rubber stamping will push that out to three times.

      Free Kim Dotcom and FJK.

  11. batweka 11

    Re the Sony hack.

    Gotnews.com thinks that the hack was an inside job (possibly in Japan). I don’t know anything about that site (other than that they need a better sub-editor). Can anyone more technically minded say if they’re making any sense? I never was clear why the North Koreans were blamed.


      • batweka 11.1.1



      • Murray Rawshark 11.1.2

        “Back in reality where people do not care about the ravings of a multi-chinned lunatic,”
        Johnson sounds a lot like someone much closer to home.

        • Paul

          Here is Johnson’s bio on the got news site.

          ‘He is author of Why Coolidge Matters: Leadership Lessons from America’s Most Underrated President and The Truth About the IRS Scandal. Charles is an award-winning journalist who has also written for Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Los Angeles Times, American Spectator, Daily Beast, National Review Online, PJ Media, and Weekly Standard.
          Charles has appeared on Fox News with Megyn Kelly, Sean Hannity, and Lou Dobbs and numerous radio programs, including Rusty Humphries, Dennis Prager, Larry Elder, and Mark Levin. He is at work on a new book about the researcher community for St. Martin’s Press.’

          Reference to Fox News, Sean Hannity, the Wall Street Journal…ok this guy is Slater on steroids.
          Notice the site claims to be unbiased, just like Fox News claim to be fair and balanced and Slater promises his new site to blue not left or right.

    • joe90 11.2

      Here’s a redditors well sourced time line, in laymans language, of the Sony hack.


      • batweka 11.2.1

        Here’s a better sourced article (via Cory Doctorow). Security issues commentator Bruce Schneier points out why this is not terrorism, and questions the idea that it has to be the NK govt.

        [W]e don’t know these attacks were sanctioned by the North Korean government. The US government has made statements linking the attacks to North Korea, but hasn’t officially blamed the government, nor have officials provided any evidence of the linkage. We’ve known about North Korea’s cyberattack capabilities long before this attack, but it might not be the government at all. This wouldn’t be the first time a nationalistic cyberattack was launched without government sanction. We have lots of examples of these sorts of attacks being conducted by regular hackers with nationalistic pride. Kids playing politics, I call them. This may be that, and it could also be a random hacker who just has it out for Sony.

        Remember, the hackers didn’t start talking about The Interview until the press did. Maybe the NSA has some secret information pinning this attack on the North Korean government, but unless the agency comes forward with the evidence, we should remain skeptical. We don’t know who did this, and we may never find out. I personally think it is a disgruntled ex-employee, but I don’t have any more evidence than anyone else does.

        What we have is a very extreme case of hacking.


        • The Murphey

          Q. In recent times when has SONY been ‘hacked’?

          • batweka


            • The Murphey

              Date: April 20, 2011
              Impact: 77 million PlayStation Network accounts hacked; Sony is said to have lost millions while the site was down for a month.

              This is viewed as the worst gaming community data breach of all-time. Of more than 77 million accounts affected, 12 million had unencrypted credit card numbers. According to Sony it still has not found the source of the hack. Whoever they are gained access to full names, passwords, e-mails, home addresses, purchase history, credit card numbers, and PSN/Qriocity logins and passwords. “It’s enough to make every good security person wonder, ‘If this is what it’s like at Sony, what’s it like at every other multi-national company that’s sitting on millions of user data records?'” says eIQnetworks’ John Linkous. He says it should remind those in IT security to identify and apply security controls consistently across their organizations. For customers, “Be careful whom you give your data to. It may not be worth the price to get access to online games or other virtual assets.”

              SONY has previous

        • Paul

          A simple question and a simple motto for anyone investigating the hack.
          Who benefits?
          Follow the money.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.3

      Talking about Sony, this is an interesting review of their attempt at Annie:

      It isn’t just that the music is crap. It isn’t just that the lines are laboured and seemed to invite eye-rolling, even from the cast who know they had a dud on their hands. No, modern-day ‘Annie’ should be reviled for far darker reasons: it’s a cheerleader for warrantless surveillance, packaged up for primary-schoolers.

      I’ve actually been noticing such happening in TV shows and such quite a lot recently. A case in point would be Person of Interest which is basically a show about how great mass surveillance is and how bad and evil the government is.

      • Colonial Rawshark 11.3.1

        how on earth can they spin that mass surveillance is great while the government which uses it is bad…

        • Draco T Bastard

          It’s a rather involved plot line that has evil government operatives, a group of really nice (and rich) people who use the mass surveillance for good, a foreign corporation that is also evil (and owns large chunks of congress) and, as of the closing episode of the 4th season, two AIs one of which is good and one evil.

      • karol 11.3.2

        Surveillance videos in cop/crime and spy shows are made for the big and little screen – provides a panoramic view from close up for bystanders watching the main action. These days each team of the authorities wants ‘eyes on” the action: from “Criminal Minds” to “Madam Secretary” and ditto from UK and Aussie shows and films.

        But the subtext is how great surveillance technology is with very little in the mainstream films and programmes critiquing such surveillance.

        Person of Interest gets halfway there in showing how surveillance can be used by both the bad and the “good” guys.

        • batweka

          Spooks was the one that opened my eyes to just how far the UK had gone in mass surveillance. Pity someone doesn’t do a version that shows all the times the tech is misused. We need an anti-surveillance genre.

    • Pascals bookie 11.4

      Haven’t read the gotnews clip, but he’s probably recycling what a lot people are saying. Here’s a couple of good links, the first is a bit of a round up, the second is more specific



      • batweka 11.4.1

        ta. Looks similar to the link above, that there’s serious doubt about the NK govt being responsible.

        (don’t bother with the gotnews link, it’s ubertrash)

  12. Skinny 12

    By about now Hooton will be in full cry parroting his ideological views in a bar in some place like Kingsland. By 2pm he will be sitting alone slumped in his chair in a drunken stupor, after having driven off anyone enjoying a bit of pre Xmas cheer.

    • he was on the wagon until the election..

      ..i dunno if he took up the turps again after that self-imposed deadline..

      • Paul 12.1.1

        Are you saying he has an issue with alcohol?

      • Skinny 12.1.2

        I do find Hooton entertaining and at least he is open about his spin. I’m in his area (Epsom) looking after my sisters swanky pad till Jan 10. If he is about & yourself Phil, maybe you chaps may want to come over for a BBQ (you will have to bring your own vegan snarlers) and we can talk politic’s.

        • Colonial Rawshark

          I’ll be in AKL for a couple of days over that time, gives us a yell 😎

          • Ad

            I’ll be back there on the 5th.

          • Skinny

            Why yes of course your welcome Colonial Rawshark, your esteem company may lure Hooton along for some real ideological banter. May even see if the local ACT MP would like to come along and explain the circumstances leading to him running over and killing my old house mate Jeffo the cat. Btw my sister & husband, though filthy rich voted the Greens this election, they finally found a social conscience after watching Mind The Poverty Gap.

            Please Note: No hors d’oeuvre’s, certainly no tapas (Matt & Phil) just the basic thick scotch fillet steak (sorry if offended Phil) & Greek salad, cooked minus the wearing of an apron.

        • phillip ure


          ..i wd be up for that..

    • tracey 12.2

      really? I am no fan of Hooton but your characterisation of him reflects more on you.

      • Skinny 12.2.1

        Oh lighten up Tracey, just poking a bit of fun at him, he’s a big boy and knows when someone is taking the Mickey. Good for him if he checks his drinking from time to time, known to myself after the odd binge. I mix with all sorts and respect each others differences. Many a time I’ve gone hammer & tong with the Bosses during the day, and we have put things behind in the evening and had some outstanding sessions together. Life is too short otherwise sister.

  13. radio new zealand is reporting university research showing that if all the real environmental etc costs are factored into dairy..

    ..that dairying actually costs nz more than it makes in export income…

    ..(the year 2012 was analysed..)



    • b waghorn 13.1

      I’ve heard this one before but don’t understand how ,are they talking real dollar terms or if ets or carbon taxes were involved.(not picking a fight)

      • phillip ure 13.1.1

        @ waghorn..

        ..from the report i understand it wasn’t just environmental costs..

        ..but they were included..

        ..it was also the costs of fertilisers/other overheads/hidden-costs..as well..

        ..i have long thought that..so the/that confirmation is confirming..

        ..but it must be chilling news for those for whom it is news..

    • so..if you add the above to the price-plunge thru glut for the forseeable future..

      ..the impending arrival of muufri..

      ..and that dairys’ exemption from having to pay pollution charges is finite..

      (..they won’t be able to get away with that for much longer..)

      ..and then you add all of that up..

      ..how can dairy(ing) not be fucked..?

      ..and how can anyone unable to see/comprehend that..

      ..not be in total denial..?

      ..the ‘white-gold’ phenomenon..

      ..is really a tottering-wreck of/for an economic-foundation..

      ..and the sooner we all realise that..the better..

      ..’cos big changes have to come..

      ..there is/will be no way of avoiding them..

      ..chew/mull on that one over xmas…eh..?

      • The Al1en 13.2.1

        “..the impending arrival of muufri..”

        I note there’s still no time frame given for frankenmilk, but a google of ‘impending definition’ gives us the following, which although as vague as ever, contains more of a clue than garnered by it’s NZ publicist.

        gerund or present participle: impending
        be about to happen.

        synonyms: imminent, at hand, close, close at hand, near, nearing, approaching, coming, forthcoming, upcoming, to come, on the way, about to happen, upon us,”

        Though of course, given the nature of selling lab grown products to savvy consumers, it’s quite possible impending means something quite different to the cheerleaders.

        (of something bad) be looming.”

        • phillip ure

          pedant of the day award..

          ..medal already dispatched by courier..

          • The Al1en

            noun: pedant; plural noun: pedants
            a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.”

            As previously discussed, a time frame isn’t a minor detail given the consequences to kiwi workers or the economy due to your predicted dairy collapse. Of course you can fill the void any time you you want to by picking a day, year, decade to go with your unsubstantiated claims.

            That doesn’t mean you can’t still refuse to put your money where your mouth is and say when the dairy death by lala milk will come about though.
            So carry on 😉

          • Colonial Rawshark

            Is it made of people?

            • b waghorn

              I’d imagine the big corporate’s like nestle and danone are watching this muufri very closely.

              • @ waghorn..

                ..it’s first big take-up will be as a cheaper/more stable ingredient in commercial products than milk..

                ..much as the first lab-grown meat will appear in burgers and the like..

                • b waghorn

                  Unless humans come up with a way to control our rampant population lab food is our future but I’ll let you go first.

            • batweka

              “Is it made of people?”

              Yeast and cow DNA. Which does produce a dilemma for the hardcore vegans.

              • Colonial Rawshark

                ahhhh thx. Yeeeuch. Like most of these things I will try to avoid for at least the first 10 years after introduction, to see if it gets pulled off the shelves after newborns get delivered with the wrong number of limbs etc…

          • The Al1en

            Right, so when’s the market dominance going to start? And then the death of kiwi dairy?

            • Draco T Bastard

              The death of Kiwi dairy is already under way. It’s even being assisted by Fonterra through their China Farms.

              • The Al1en

                Sure, but as you may or may not be aware, I’m focussing on the oft repeated but as yet unsubstantiated claims related to lab milk and the death of dairy.

                Do you want to respond to that?

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Dairy is going the way of the dodo for a number of reasons but mostly the fact that it’s just not sustainable at the levels that we’re producing it. Once we get the farmers to cover the costs of dairying as indicated by the research and cut it back to sustainable production levels the cost is going to skyrocket and that is what will kill off dairy eventually.

                  Replace all those dairy fields with some plants that can easily produce a milk substitute and we get both sustainability and cheaper milk. Go for vertical farms in the cities and we even get to replace those fields with native bush instead.

                  • The Al1en

                    So no, you don’t. Okay, thanks. 🙂

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      I did respond – you obviously didn’t understand it.

                    • The Al1en

                      Yeah, that’ll be it then mate. 🙂

                      “Right, so when’s the market dominance going to start? And then the death of kiwi dairy?”

                      “Sure, but as you may or may not be aware, I’m focussing on the oft repeated but as yet unsubstantiated claims related to lab milk and the death of dairy.”

                      “Do you want to respond to that?”

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Well, I pointed out that kiwi dairy was already dying for a number of reasons and then I pointed out that it would be replaced by milk substitutes. Those substitutes are likely to include things like Muufree.

                      You failed to understand this as you were focusing solely upon lab produced substitutes. your rather narrow vision is your problem.

                    • The Al1en

                      Narrow vision is your diversion, but I did ask specifically about monster milk and the time frame as you view it to gain market dominance and then the death of kiwi dairy as frequently foretold because of it. As was the context, as was the discussion you were part of, since you originally provided 2015 as the expected roll out date.

                      All I got was farms in the sky, which may be a great idea, but not really what I was asking.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      but I did ask specifically about monster milk and the time frame as you view it to gain market dominance

                      But I don’t think Muufree will gain market dominance. That’s phil’s point. I think NZ dairying will be killed off by other factors with the major one being unsustainability.

                    • The Al1en

                      Fair enough, and in regards to mumu milk I don’t think you a crackpot wishful thinker.

                      And as sustainability is the key to everything, I sort of agree.

              • b waghorn

                They used to say those things about kiwifruit in late 80s when our experts were travelling over seas but if you discount PSA its still going strong.

          • batweka

            “The synthetic milk is still in development, and the company is aiming for a marketable product by summer of 2015.”

            Following that link, it looks like a health and marketing nightmare.

            It’s a genetically engineered food, so there goes a big chunk of the market for milk alternatives where people are looking for a natural product. Plus it will get slammed by the anti-GE lobby (thankfully).

            It’s also likely to cause health problems (like most industrial food does), so it’s unlikely to attract the people avoiding dairy for health reasons.

            I guess if they manage to make the product cheap enough they’ll be able to sell it to poor people who have less choices 🙁

            • phillip ure

              weka:..i fret..therefore i am…

              ..re ge-food..been to a supermarket lately..?

              ..one of the big pluses of this product is that the ‘health problem’ in cow-milk is fixed..as that the bad things in cow-milk..just aren’t there..(so yr health ‘bullshit’ is just ‘bullshit’..eh..?..)

              ..and yes it will be good for ‘poorer-people’..

              ..it’ll be cheaper and healthier..

              ..(so no need for that little sad face..eh..?..)

              • The Al1en

                “While the goal is to produce a product as good, if not better, than milk, as well as cheaper, Muufri may initially cost twice the amount of cow milk.”

                Without a major uptake, there’s no hope of lower prices, so poor people won’t be catered for at all unless the middle/upper (in NZ read moneyed) classes buy into it – The most apt definition of trickle down economy ever.

                Though it does add to the debate and offer an insight into your thinking that because the poor can’t afford to drink proper milk, they should have to rely on the ‘cheap’ substitute sh1t instead. Nice.

                • batweka

                  Interesting. Looks like another hype the startup story.

                  • @ weka..


                    ..no..muufri has the backing of one of the biggest food companies..

                    ..and frankly..your willful obtuseness/nit-picking-negativity in claiming to be unable to ‘see’ this..

                    ..really does you no favours..

                    ..got any more ‘problems’ you’d like to orifice-pluck and lay before us..?

                    ..c’mon..!..let yr imagination run wild..!

                    ..so far we’ve had..’it’ll make you sick’..’it’s poor-bashing’..

                    ..and now it’s just ‘start-up hype’..

                    ..and all of them orifice-plucked..eh..?

                    ..not a fact/figure behind any of them..eh..?..

                    ..it must be a day ending in a ‘y’…eh..?

                    • batweka

                      still can’t address any of the actual points phil. Just a poorly constructed list of ‘you’re wrong, I’m right’ 🙄

                      And you can’t even answer a simple question like what do you think are the actual problematic things in cows milk.

                    • i’m sorry..you’ve made all this shit up..?

                      ….all of it just orifice-plucked dairy-defending scare-mongering bullshit..

                      ..and you are demanding documentation from me..?

                      ..points for trying..eh..?

                    • batweka

                      No, I’m not even bothering to ask for data. Simply a coherent argument that isn’t just ‘I’m right, you’re full of shit’ would suffice at this stage.

                    • how about looking at the you’re ‘full of shit’-fact..

                      ..you just interviewed yr keyboard..and made all that shit up..

                      ..didn’t you..?

                    • batweka


                      “you’re full of shit fact”

                      Lolz. Still can’t tell the difference between fact and opinion phil. Oh dear.

                    • why can’t yu stop making like p.g..

                      ..and just answer the question..

                      ..did you make that stuff up..?

                      ..yes or no will suffice..

                    • And you can’t even answer a simple question like what do you think are the actual problematic things in cows milk.

                      No, he can’t. He firmly believes there’s a shitload of them, on the basis that exploiting animals is morally wrong therefore the resulting products must be bad for you. I had a similar conversation with a Muslim once, who was convinced that pork, unlike ‘healthy’ meat like lamb, causes cancer. There is no logical argument against religion.

                    • that’s where u r wrong ..again..milty..

                      ..(can i call ya milty..?..for some reason i always want to call you pre-menstrual..y’know..!..that thing that doesn’t exist..?..)

                      ..even if i were not vegan..i wd still be warning/doing a heads-up on this..

                      ..the economic implications are too huge to ignore..

                      ..(meanwhile fonterra predict that sunny days will be here again soon..talk about institutional/corporate-denial..and the farmers are just running on blind hope/belief..

                      ..and of course the first to fall..will be the most highly-geared..)

                      ..but u lack the vision/intelligence to see all that..eh..?

                      ..no worries there..!..eh..?

                      ..and/so clearly..dairy has a clean bill of health from u too..eh..?

                      ..no worries there..!


                      ..have some cheese..!..whydoncha..?

                    • Paul

                      It’s Christmas. Have a great day.
                      Peace and happiness to you.

                    • oh..!..and this..:

                      “.. Because we choose what goes into our product – we can choose to leave out lactose –

                      – which is at least partially indigestible by 75% of adults;

                      – and we can choose to leave out bad cholesterol for a much healthier product.

                      And because our products are made with the same precision as medicines – they’ll be free of all bacteria..”

                      ..have you ever even heard of ‘bad cholesterol’ there..milty..?

                      ..that’s all ‘religious’-bullshit too..?..is it..?

                      ..or is it a fact that milk/dairy is chocka with ‘bad cholesterol’..?

                      ..(there is also ‘good cholesterol in there..)

                      ..and won’t food manufacturers love not having to chill it..eh..?

                      ..can you grasp that concept..?

                      ..or too ‘religious’ for you..?

                      ..should we call you ‘psycho milk’..?

                    • ..have some cheese..!..whydoncha..?

                      Had three different types with lunch, all excellent.

                      [lactose] – which is at least partially indigestible by 75% of adults;

                      You may have noticed that you have to excrete stuff that wasn’t digestible every day, Phil. It’s not a sign something’s wrong. Fact: lactose tolerance spread rapidly through western populations because milk is a fucking shit-hot food that enabled lactose-tolerant people to survive better than those who weren’t.

                      ..have you ever even heard of ‘bad cholesterol’ there..milty..?

                      I have. It’s part of the nutritionist dogma operating since the early 70s, which has delivered an obesity epidemic of staggering proportions. Social science is a really, really crap way of establishing what people should eat and what they shouldn’t, especially when politicians get involved. We really should stop paying attention to them. Still, even if we were to assume ‘bad cholesterol’ was an actual thing, you’d have to be drinking bizarre quantities of milk for it to cause a problem.

              • batweka

                “One of the big pluses of this product is that the ‘health problem’ in cow-milk is fixed, as that the bad things in cow-milk just aren’t there (so your health ‘bullshit’ is just ‘bullshit’)”

                What bad things are you talking about specifically?

                The health issues to do with milk are varied. Some of it is straight out lactose intolerance. For others they find they can eat goat or sheep dairy but not cow. For others they find that raw milk is ok but not pasteurised. Others find whole milk works but homogenised doesn’t.

                Some people who shift from dairy/meat to say soy find they end up with health problems from unfermented soy (esp thyroid issues, sometimes digestive problems). Some of that is the phytates. Some the phytohormones. Some of it is the industrial processing.

                This wasn’t predicted by the soy industry (or at least they weren’t up front about it), so it’s unlikely that the muufri people will have tested for these kinds of health issues because they’re only going to show up over time as individuals figure it out and then eventually someone does some research.

                Plus really who trusts industrial food manufacturers to give a shit? They’ll test their products to make sure there are no scary acute reactions to their food, but chronic ones that are hard to pin down but easy to ignore? yeah right.

                • Paul

                  Milk is not good for humans.


                  From the article.

                  ‘Human Bodies Fight Cow’s Milk

                  Besides humans (and companion animals who are fed by humans), no species drinks milk beyond infancy or drinks the milk of another species. Cow’s milk is suited to the nutritional needs of calves, who have four stomachs and gain hundreds of pounds in a matter of months, sometimes weighing more than 1,000 pounds before they are 2 years old.(29)

                  Cow’s milk is the number one cause of food allergies among infants and children, according to the American Gastroenterological Association.(30) Most people begin to produce less lactase, the enzyme that helps with the digestion of milk, when they are as young as 2 years old. This reduction can lead to lactose intolerance.(31) Millions of Americans are lactose intolerant, and an estimated 90 percent of Asian-Americans and 75 percent of Native- and African-Americans suffer from the condition, which can cause bloating, gas, cramps, vomiting, headaches, rashes, and asthma.(32) A U.K. study showed that people who suffered from irregular heartbeats, asthma, headaches, fatigue, and digestive problems “showed marked and often complete improvements in their health after cutting milk from their diets.”(33)’

                  • Colonial Rawshark

                    Sounds about right. Interesting when you reflect that NZ has very high rates of childhood asthma and eczema…

                  • Lactose tolerance is one of the fastest-spreading mutations found in human evolution, exactly because of its enormous survival value. Peta is, as usual, full of shit.

                    • So, what you’ve got there is:

                      1. The valid point that the ‘food pyramid’ is bollocks. Well, fair enough, but that doesn’t mean dairy is bad for you.

                      2. A range of “studies show” bullshit that says calcium intake from dairy isn’t what it’s cracked up to be, to which – meh. That also doesn’t equate to ‘dairy is bad for you.’

                      3. Lots of people are lactose-intolerant. Well, yeah – people who don’t have the genes for it shouldn’t eat dairy. If you’re descended from Europeans, more than likely you have the genes, and if you don’t it will quickly become apparent. If you do have the genes, how is dairy bad for you exactly?

            • Draco T Bastard

              I think soy milk is the better option and it should already be cheaper than cow milk as the top comment in this thread shows.

              • batweka

                It’s not the better option if you can’t digest it or it messes up thyroid function. People aren’t all the same when it comes to health. Some people will do better on soy, others on cows milk, others on no milk at all.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  It’s not the better option if you can’t digest it or it messes up thyroid function.

                  And how many people does that effect?

                  • McFlock

                    how many would you find acceptable?

                    Wikipedia reckons soy can aggravate gout, too. In my experience that’s a bit like saying a stubbed toe can aggravate a T-rex, but never mind 🙂

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      It’s not a question of acceptability but of comparison. We know that between 5% and 90% of people (Depending upon human sub-group) are badly affected by drinking milk due to lactose intolerance.

                    • batweka

                      Yes, which is why people should find out which foods work for them and which don’t, instead of being told that x food is good or bad (for everyone).

                      Many people do very well on cows milk. Many don’t. Many fall somewhere in between. It’s not rocket science.

                • @ weka..


                  ..one of the major selling points of this muufri..

                  ..is that it will be able to be drunk by the 30% of people who are lactose intolerant..

                  (..fact-checking weka..it’s more than a part-time job..)

              • Soy “milk” (quote marks because it’s not milk – milk comes from the mammary glands of animals) is a highly-processed vaguely-edible white fluid that should be avoided by anyone who enjoys eating actual food.

                • McFlock

                  Could be worse.
                  Could be tofu.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Soy milk

                  Soy milk, also referred to as soymilk or soya milk, is a plant milk produced by soaking dried soybeans and grinding them in water.

                  A traditional staple of Asian cuisine, soy milk is a stable emulsion of oil, water and protein.

                  Yeah, I really don’t think that qualifies as highly processed.

                  • batweka

                    Not quite. That’s how you would make it at home. Have you ever tasted homemade soy milk? It doesn’t taste anything like what you get in the supermarket. Soy is not a particularly nice tasting food (consider what raw tofu tastes like, which is actually considerably nicer than homemade soy milk), so you have to do things to it to make it more palatable eg add sugar. Or process highly (various methods using high heat can change the flavour).

                    Of course if you want to make money, you want the cheapest methods possible eg,

                    Silk’s Light soymilk, as well as its “Heart Health” soymilk, is made with hexane-extracted soy flour instead of whole soybeans. Hexane is a highly explosive volatile solvent. It is a byproduct of gasoline refining and a neurotoxin. Soybeans used in Silk’s Light and Heart Health soymilk are immersed in this neurotoxic petrochemical to make soy flour, which is listed as the main ingredient in these Silk products.

                    Hexane is classified as a “hazardous air pollutant” by the Environmental Protection Agency and emissions are regulated for their contribution to air pollution. Food processors are the country’s major hexane emitters. When The Cornucopia Institute sent samples of hexane-extracted soy flour to an independent lab for residue testing, residues as high as 21 parts per million were found. The effects on consumer health of repeated and long-term consumption of hexane-extracted soy ingredients have not been thoroughly studied. An extraction process that does not involve hexane is available, but using hexane is cheaper for the processor.

                    Silk’s creamers and Silk Plus Omega-3 DHA contain other minor hexane-extracted ingredients-soy lecithin and algal oil, respectively. Moreover, the Cornucopia Institute has received reports from parents of toddlers and children who experienced diarrhea and stomach upset from the DHA used in Silk (Life’s DHA by Martek Biosciences Corporation). This is the same additive, found in infant formula (extracted from algae and soil fungus), that has been linked to severe adverse reactions in infants. (Cornucopia has obtained adverse reaction reports from the FDA verifying this unfortunate health side-effect.) The FDA has never tested the safety of Life’s DHA, relying instead on safety data supplied by the same corporation that has a financial interest in selling and placing these additives in foods. The FDA did, however, indicate serious reservations regarding the safety of these additives.


                    I’ve just pulled that out of google. I’m reluctant to spend much time finding optimal sources because for me all this is old news, stuff that’s been in the public domain for years. Draco, I’d really encourage you to look further. If you want to go for a plant based protein there are much better sources than soy (eg other legumes).

                    I’m not sure that soy is a traditional Asian staple unless it is fermented (traditional as in used over hundreds of years). I’ve heard contradictory things about this, but fermentation changes the phytate composition making it much more digestible (similar to how fermenting cows milk makes it more digestible for some people).

                    There are questionable links between the push for soy as a food and the soy industries’ need to create demand.

                    Phytates have distinct health problems, the most immediate is digestion, but there are other less obvious ones like the effect on metabolism of minerals and other nutrients.

                    Soy also has chemicals that affect hormones. There is much debate about whther this poses a problem for humans esp babies, but there is empirical evidence from people who have overconsumed soy and ended up with thryoid problems that resolve or lessen once soy is stopped.

                    The industrial production of soy is hard on farmers and the land.

                    Small scale production of soy makes sense, and consumption in moderate amounts appears to be ok for some people, but replacing dairy protein on a daily basis is asking for trouble.

                    Not all soy products are the same, production varies, and many products have unhealthy additives (eg sugar).

                    If you go to look at all these issues you will see huge amounts of contradictory information. A big part of that is the large amounts of money put into PR by the industry (think Fonterra on steroids).

                    But I managed to find this old link which has some useful starting points.


                  • Sounds real home-made, doesn’t it? Suffice to say that when you see it in the supermarket, that shit wasn’t made just by soaking soybeans in water and grinding them. Also: compared to milk that doesn’t need quote marks, any “milk” you might buy counts as highly processed.

    • Draco T Bastard 13.3

      Study puts price tag on dairy

      Not really surprised to hear that either. It’s been obvious for awhile that dairying wasn’t sustainable.

      • b waghorn 13.3.1

        If you put the two author s names in the goggle thingy it takes you to a PDF of the actual report it seems a lot of theoretical cost at first glance the rest farmers would see as cost of doing business I would think.
        I still think the banks are the main driver of the expansion they are farming the farmers.

  14. Paul 14

    This is rare to see.
    An article in the corporate media ( and in the UK Daily Mail ) pointing out that it is the west who are the aggressors in the Ukraine.
    The author is Peter Hitchens, brother of the late Christopher Hitchens.

    Here is an excerpt.

    ‘We think we are the heroes, setting out with brave hearts to confront the Dark Lord, and free the saintly Ukrainians from his wicked grasp.
    This is all the most utter garbage. Since 1989, Moscow, the supposed aggressor, has – without fighting or losing a war – peacefully ceded control over roughly 180 million people, and roughly 700,000 square miles of valuable territory.
    The EU (and its military wing, Nato) have in the same period gained control over more than 120 million of those people, and almost 400,000 of those square miles.
    Until a year ago, Ukraine remained non-aligned between the two great European powers. But the EU wanted its land, its 48 million people (such a reservoir of cheap labour!) its Black Sea coast, its coal and its wheat.
    So first, it spent £300 million (some of it yours) on anti-Russian ‘civil society’ groups in Ukraine.
    Then EU and Nato politicians broke all the rules of diplomacy and descended on Kiev to take sides with demonstrators who demanded that Ukraine align itself with the EU.
    Imagine how you’d feel if Russian politicians had appeared in Edinburgh in September urging the Scots to vote for independence, or if Russian money had been used to fund pro-independence organisations.’


    • wyndham 14.1

      EU and NATO egged on all the way by that bastion of democracy and free enterprise – – – USA. Nothing like a bit of biffo to bolster an ailing economy and feed the military–industrial complex that is America.

    • Murray Rawshark 14.2

      I like Peter’s writing much better than that of his pompous drunken idiot neocon brother. I bet Rumsfeld and Cheney don’t have barbecues with Peter.

      • Paul 14.2.1

        I have mixed views on Christopher Hitchens.
        He was a very talented writer and wrote so well about many issues . He was brave about Palestine when few others were.
        Then he got swept away by the neocon invasion of Iraq. I always wondered whether that was because of his love of Kurdistan. Many on the left felt betrayed by his switch at this time.
        It was tragic that he died so early and sad he was so addicted to alcohol.

  15. Murray Rawshark 15

    Factory farming à la Fonterra will not save us.


  16. heads up labour..!

    ..deborah hill-cone..(to a smattering of applause/whoops..)..on nat-rad/panel..has provided her solution to all of labours’ woes..

    ..now..steel yrslves..!..

    ..it is to put josie pagani in charge of labour..

    ..so that she can ‘sort it out’…

    ..got that..?

    ..pass the word..!..prepare yrslves..!..eh..?

  17. Not that anyone gives a sh1t, even me really, knowing your type, but fender and emergency mike, in mocking me as a victim of an assault (alleged if you like), your credibility as part of the caring left wing is shot to bits. I don’t care if you like me or the way I post, but bearing in mind I’ve never had a ban or ever been threatened with one and whether your natural instinct is to vent like a moron or not, your subject matter and method of attack does you no favours at all.
    I bet you wouldn’t dae direct the same victim baiting/bashing rubbish to a female in a similar circumstance. I am tough, as it happens, but what difference does that make? Shame on you.

    “I wish this blog had a blocking facility like Facebook, because I’m getting more than a bit tired of idiots having shit fights over nothing. If your first resort is to abuse people on the left, go and comment on Whalespew. They’d probably agree with most of what you post.”

    Dry your eyes, mate. :boohoo: :jerk: 😆

    • Paul 17.1

      Merry Christmas.
      Hope you have a great day.
      I wish you peace and happiness.

    • fender 17.2

      I used to like most of your comments, but lately you have started flying off the handle and abusing people here that I have over time gained much respect for. I’m sure you can identify and correct this worrying trend. Hope you have a merry xmas Al1en.

      • The Al1en 17.2.1

        Seriously, if you were sincere at all you’d apologise for posting what you did.
        If I were sincere I’d accept it and move on.

        Enjoy your festive season.

        • fender

          Yes it was insensitive of me to point out the disparity between your online abusive bullying behaviour and your RL situation where you suffered violence from an employer. I apologise Al1en.

          :no cheeky face muddying the waters:

    • Murray Rawshark 17.3

      Have a merry christmas and may you get all the help you need.

    • emergency mike 17.4

      “emergency mike, in mocking me as a victim of an assault”

      Sorry what? I have zero knowledge and zero opinion on your assault. I’ve never commented on it.

      I assume you’re refering the ‘One word away from needing food parcels’ thread where you asked me “So what sort of person does it take to mock a victim (or alleged if you prefer) of violence?” in regard to when it was acceptable to swear at someone online. Since you gave me no other clue as to what that was supposed to refer to, I responded along the line that you should be able to make your point towards such a person without swearing at them. That’s all.

      • The Al1en 17.4.1

        You replied to the post by fender at
        Yours being
        To which I sought a response which you quote above.

        Just because you’re feigning ignorance it doesn’t really excuse you. 😉

        • emergency mike

          Wow. My comment at replying to fender at was about your overuse of swearing. Looking again at fender’s comment I see he wrote ” dunno how that guy managed to knock you off your feet” I had no idea what that refered to, and I made no comment on it. So:

          Mocking you for swearing too much on The Standard – yes.
          Mocking you as as victim of assault – no.

  18. Entering in to the spirit of the season, consumerism, what did you buy yourself for christmas?

    I spent the hundy my old dear sent me on a synth plug in. Unlike me I’ve early adopted a product that’s still in early beta, but knowing the company as a quality purveyor of electronic instruments (owning Diva), and knowing they don’t do sales after the intro pricing, the money was burning a hole in my pocket.
    Meant to be all ravey davey sounding, I have no buyers remorse.


  19. philj 19

    Merry Christmas to you all. The Standard is a taonga. Together we have strength. Hope, passion, knowledge and truth will out….. eventually. Kia Kaha.

  20. Colonial Rawshark 20

    Merry Christmas all. Very proud to be a member of a group who stands by all Kiwis through both good times and tough. Go you Standardistas 😎

  21. NOT Grath McVicar 21

    Season’s Garrottings
    from the Sensible Sentencing Trust


    [lprent: don’t ]

  22. Brewer 22

    Hormones in milk can be dangerous
    By Corydon Ireland
    Harvard News Office

    The link between cancer and dietary hormones – estrogen in particular – has been a source of great concern among scientists, said Ganmaa, but it has not been widely studied or discussed.

    The potential for risk is large. Natural estrogens are up to 100,000 times more potent than their environmental counterparts, such as the estrogen-like compounds in pesticides. ..

    One study compared diet and cancer rates in 42 counties. It showed that milk and cheese consumption are strongly correlated to the incidence of testicular cancer among men ages 20 to 39. Rates were highest in places like Switzerland and Denmark, where cheese is a national food, and lowest in Algeria and other countries where dairy is not so widely consumed.

    Cancer rates linked to dairy can change quickly, said Ganmaa. In the past 50 years in Japan, she said, rising rates of dairy consumption are linked with rising death rates from prostate cancer – from near zero per 100,000 five decades ago to 7 per 100,000 today.


    in China and other countries that do not consume much milk or other dairy products, breast cancer rates are much, much lower. Prostate cancer, which affects one in six men in the U.S., affects less than one in 100,000 in China. In our country, most milk is gotten from breeds of cows that have been selectively bred over the centuries to be heavy milk-producers, thus their milk has high concentrations of growth hormones. One of these hormones, called IGF-1 (Insulin-like Growth Factor –1) is found in high concentrations in the blood of women who suffer from breast cancer and men who suffer from prostate cancer.


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    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    2 days ago
  • Corruption as usual
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Fairer rentals
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Another NZDF coverup
    In 2003 New Zealand sent a Provincial Reconstruction Team to Afghanistan to support America's doomed war there. While there, they conducted regular weapons practice on local firing ranges, littering the landscape with unexploded ammunition. These ranges weren't secure - they're on land used by locals for animal herding - so ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • A loss for the Greens
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • New era for Ngāti Kuri and Auckland Museum
    Words and images by Jacqui Gibson Gone are Auckland Museum’s days of doing science using a museum-centric academic approach, after Māori land rights holders Ngāti Kuri gave the museum an ultimatum.
    Tom Trnski holding a fossilised whale tooth from the Far North.Aussie-born Head of Natural Sciences at Auckland Museum ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 days ago
  • Circling vultures: Why MediaWorks TV is really in trouble
    MediaWorks announced in October 2019 that it intended to sell off its struggling television business and cancel or cut back on several popular local programmes, including New Zealand Today, Married at First Sight New Zealand and 7 Days. Its radio and outdoor advertising arms are currently performing well, but MediaWorks’ ...
    Briefing PapersBy Peter Thompson
    2 days ago
  • Scary Opinium Poll
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    3 days ago
  • A coward’s ploy.
    Some readers may remember that I mentioned last year that I was applying for NZ citizenship. I filled out the paperwork and had my original citizenship interview in February. Everything went well until they discovered that, because I had spent five months in the US in 2017, I had not ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    3 days ago
  • Left censorship and exclusion against gender-critical women: a Marxist critique
    by Deirdre O’Neill It is becoming quite acceptable for certain sections of the left to declare that people like me – women who are ‘gender critical’ – should not be allowed in leftist or anarchist spaces. Leaving aside the arrogance and implicit authoritarianism of this claim, its lack of critical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • “Uncertainty” can be better solved with a better grasp of life’s inherent complexities…
    There is an article in The Conversation, written by Jeremy P. Shapiro (Adjunct Assistant Professor of Psychological Sciences, Case Western Reserve University), about what he sees as the psychologically-based underpinnings of three main matters that seem to vex people all around the planet. The article is titled “The Thinking ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    4 days ago
  • Citizens vs the Rogue Deep State
    . .   Blogger Martyn Bradbury has won his case against unreasonable search and surveillance against the NZ Police; and subsequent Police attempts to produce evidence in secrecy, in a closed Court. His case highlights a disturbing growing trend in Aotearoa New Zealand for State power to be used against ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Massey University’s free speech policy double-plus-good
    The Committee of Disobedient Women has intercepted an email from Dr Emma Eejut, Senior Lecturer in Sociology, Massey University to the university’s Vice-Chancellor, Jan Thomas. Dear Jan, Thank you for your courageous move.  I think 10 pages of blether** should tie any of the students game enough to try holding ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Unacceptable
    That's the only response to the findings of the Ombudsman's investigation into LGOIMA practices at the Christchurch City Council:My investigation identified serious concerns about the Council’s leadership and culture, and its commitment to openness and transparency. In particular, Council staff raised concerns with me about various methods employed by some ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • There is what corruption looks like
    NZ First seems to be nakedly trying to enrich itself from public office:A powerful New Zealand First figure helped establish a forestry company that then pushed for money from two key funding streams controlled by a New Zealand First Minister. An RNZ investigation has found Brian Henry, lawyer for Winston ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Escape from Manus Island
    Behrouz Boochani is an award winning author and journalist. He is also a refugee, who for the past six years has been detained in Australia's offshore gulag on Manus Island, and in Papua New Guinea. But last night, with the cooperation of the WORD Christchurch festival and Amnesty International, he ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • When World’s Collide.
    Different Strokes: If a multicultural immigration policy imposes no obligation on immigrant communities to acknowledge and ultimately embrace their host nation’s most cherished traditions and values, then how is that nation to prevent itself from being reduced to a collection of inward-looking and self-replicating ethnic and cultural enclaves?THE COALITION GOVERNMENT’S ...
    5 days ago
  • Could There Be Method In Massey University’s Madness?
    Protective Zone: Reading the rules and guidelines released by Massey University, it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that its governing body considers the whole concept of free speech a disruptive threat to the orderly imparting of orthodox academic knowledge.IN TRUE ORWELLIAN fashion, Massey University has announced its commitment to ...
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: We need more trees, not less
    Farmers held a hate-march on Parliament today, complete with MAGA hats, gun-nut signs, and gendered insults. While supposedly about a grab-bag of issues - including, weirdly, mental health - it was clear that the protest was about one thing, and one thing only: climate change. And specifically, forestry "destroying" rural ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The IGIS annual report: Dead letters and secret law
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security released their annual report today, and I've been busy reading through it. In amongst the usual review of what they've been doing all year, there's a few interesting bits. For example, a discussion on "agency retention and disposal of information", which points out that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A referendum on bigotry
    The End of Life Choice Bill passed its third reading last night, 69 - 51. Thanks to a compromise with NZ First - which looks to have been necessary on the final numbers - the commencement of the bill will be subject to a referendum. Given the ugliness of the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Political parties and GMOs: we all need to move on
    Recently more than 150 post-graduate students and young scientists presented an open letter to the Green Party via The Spinoff, encouraging them to reconsider their position on genetic modification. Their target is tackling climate change issues.[1] Can any party continue to be dismissive about genetic modification (GM) contributing to ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    6 days ago
  • Class, Identity Politics and Transgender Ideology
    by Deirdre O’Neill Under Thatcher and then Blair and continuing up until our contemporary moment, the working class has seen its culture slowly and progressively destroyed. The change from an industrial society to a service society produced a marked shift in focus from the working class as the backbone of ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Irony
    Since 2013, the Australian government has detained refugees without trial in Pacific gulags, where they are abused, tortured, and driven to suicide. The policy is not just an abuse of human rights and possible crime against humanity; it has also had a corrosive effect on the states Australia uses as ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • An age of protest.
    It seems fair to say that we currently live in a problematic political moment in world history. Democracies are in decline and dictatorships are on the rise. Primordial, sectarian and post-modern divisions have re-emerged, are on the rise or have been accentuated by political evolutions of the moment such as ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    7 days ago
  • Another captured agency
    Last month, Greenpeace head Russel Norman surrendered his speaking slot at an EPA conference to student climate activist Sorcha Carr, who told the EPA exactly what she thought of them. It was a bold move, which confronted both regulators and polluters (or, as the EPA calls them, "stakeholders") with the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • NZ First’s dodgy loans
    The core principle supposedly underlying New Zealand's electoral finance regime is transparency: parties can accept large donations from rich people wanting to buy policy, but only if they tell the public they've been bought. Most parties abide by this, so we know that TOP was wholly-owned by Gareth Morgan, and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Member’s Day: The choice on End of Life Choice
    Today is a Member's Day, probably the second-to-last one of the year, and its a big one, with the Third Reading of David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill. last Member's Day it was reported back from committee, after MPs voted narrowly to make it subject to a (rules TBA) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • How growth in population and consumption drives planetary change
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz The growth of the human population over the last 70 ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • The disappearing Women …
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In her excellent oral submission to the Abortion reform select committee on 31st October on behalf of Otago University’s Department of Public Health, historian and public health researcher Hera Cook stated: “We would ask that the committee not use the term ‘pregnant persons’ and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • “A Passage to India”: enduring art in changing times
    by Don Franks In 1957, E M Forster wrote, of his greatest work: “The India described in ‘A Passage to India’ no longer exists either politically or socially. Change had begun even at the time the book was published ( 1924) and during the following quarter of a century it ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Contemptuous
    The Referendums Framework Bill was due back from select committee today. But there's no report on it. Instead, the bill has been bounced back to the House under Standing order 29593) because the Committee didn't bother to produce one. They probably tried. But given the membership of the committee (which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Zero Carbon: It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law
    Two years into New Zealand’s Labour-led government, the long-delayed Zero Carbon Bill became law on 7 November. Passed essentially unanimously, the lengthy public debates and political manoeuvring faded away until the final passage was even anticlimactic: Flipping through the @nzstuff @DomPost I was starting to wonder if I’d dreamt ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: What happens next?
    Now the Zero Carbon Bill is law, what's next? Obviously, the ETS changes currently before select committee are going to be the next battleground. But we're also going to get a good idea of where we're going, and if the progress the Zero Carbon Act promises is good enough, during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate change will fuel bush fires
    Grant Pearce The effects of the current Australian bushfires in New South Wales and Queensland (and also again in California) are devastating and far-reaching. To date, the fires have resulted in several lives being lost and many homes and properties destroyed. Here in New Zealand, the impacts have been only ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Participation rates
    A passing comment in a post the other day about the labour force participation rates of older people prompted me to pull down the fuller data and see what we could see about various participation rates over the decades since the HLFS began in 1986.   As it happens, the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Reddell
    1 week ago
  • Not So Much “OK Boomer” As “OK Ruling Class”.
    Distract And Divert: The rise of what we have come to call “Identity Politics” represents the ideological manifestation of the ruling class’s objective need to destroy class politics, and of the middle-class’s subjective need to justify their participation in the process.THE RELIEF of the ruling class can only be imagined. ...
    1 week ago
  • Asking for it …
    "I saw a newspaper picture,From the political campaignA woman was kissing a child,Who was obviously in pain.She spills with compassion,As that young child'sFace in her hands she gripsCan you imagine all that greed and avariceComing down on that child's lips?" ...
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand’s Poor Pandemic Preparedness According to the Global Health Security Index
    Dr Matt Boyd, Prof Michael Baker, Prof Nick Wilson The Global Health Security Index which considers pandemic threats has just been published. Unfortunately, NZ scores approximately half marks (54/100), coming in 35th in the world rankings – far behind Australia. This poor result suggests that the NZ Government needs to ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Thank Winston
    The Zero Carbon Act is inadequate, with a weak methane target designed to give farmers a free ride. But it turns out it could have been worse: Climate Change Minister James Shaw was so desperate to get National on board, he wanted to gut that target, and leave it in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Illicit markets and Bali Booze
    The Herald reprints an Australian story on a couple of tragic deaths in Bali from drinking cocktails that had methanol in them.  The story argues that methanol is likely the result of home distillation. But what the young tourists were experiencing was far from a hangover. They’d consumed a toxic cocktail ...
    SciBlogsBy Eric Crampton
    1 week ago
  • This is not what armed police are for
    Last month, the police announced a trial of specialist roaming armed units, which would drive round (poor, brown) areas in armoured SUVs, armed to the teeth. When they announced the trial, they told us it was about having armed police "ready to attend major incidents at any time if needed". ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Spain’s failed electoral gamble
    Spain went to the polls today in the second elections this year, after the Socialists (who had come to power in a confidence vote, then gone to the polls in April) rejected the offer of a coalition with the left-wing PoDemos, and instead decided to gamble n a better outcome ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The astroturf party
    National has finally rolled out its "BlueGreen" astroturf party, fronted by an array of former nats and people who were dumped by the Greens for not being Green enough. Its initial pitch is described by Stuff as "very business-friendly", and its priorities are what you'd expect: conservation, predator-free funding, a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • How to cheat at university
    A couple of days ago I attended (and spoke at) the University of Waikato’s “LearnFest” event. There were lots of talks and sessions on very diverse aspects of teaching, mostly at tertiary level. One was by Myra Williamson from Te Piringa Faculty of Law here at Waikato, on Contract Cheating ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    1 week ago
  • How NZ was put on world maps using a transit of Mercury
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    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • Georgina Beyer: We need to be able to talk without being offended
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The anti-fluoride brigade won’t be erecting billboards about this study
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    1 week ago
  • Chosen To Rule? What Sort Of Christian Is Chris Luxon?
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    1 week ago
  • War of the worms
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    1 week ago
  • Marvelly shows us how to be a feminist without feminism
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Out of the past – Tories to revive racist laws from the 16th century
    Did you know there once was a time when it was illegal to be a gypsy (aka Romani) in Britain?That was between 1530, when the Egyptians Act was passed, and 1856, when it was repealed.Amongst other things, the act forbade the entry of 'Egyptians' into England, ordered those already there ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 1000 of these now
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    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Shane Jones Just Saved NZ First?
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    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: As predicted
    Yesterday, when National voted for the Zero Carbon Bill, I predicted they'd gut it the moment they regained power, just as they had done to the ETS. And indeed, they have explicitly promised to do exactly that within their first hundred days in office. What would their amendments do? Abandon ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Let this never be forgot
    In the spirit of Remember, remember the fifth of November, let's keep this in mind FOREVER.
    Oh dear. Extraordinary interview on PM with Andrew Bridgen and @EvanHD just now. Bridgen was defending Jacob Rees Mogg’s Grenfell comments. Evan asked him if JRM had meant to say he would have left ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Too Late To Change Capitalism’s Flightpath?
    Collision Course? In conditions of ideological white-out, the international bankers’ “Woop-Woop! Pull Up!” warning may have come too late to save global capitalism.WHAT DOES IT MEAN when international bankers are more willing to embrace radical solutions than our politicians and their electors? At both the International Monetary Fund and the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Whooping cough vaccine works well despite its imperfections
    Pertussis (whooping cough) is a conundrum. It is a disease that was described hundreds of years ago and the bacteria that causes it (Bordetella pertussis) isolated in 1906. We have had vaccines for about 80 years but this disease is defiant in the face of human immunity. I wanted to ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Passed
    The Zero Carbon Bill has just passed its third reading, uanimously. In the end, National supported it - but we all know they'll turn around and gut it the moment they regain power. Meanwhile, I guess ACT's David Seymour didn't even bother to show up. I am on record as ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Retailing of vaping products – New NZ Research
    Dr Lindsay Robertson, Dr Jerram Bateman, Professor Janet Hoek Members of the public health community hold divergent views on how access to vaping products or electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) products should be arranged. Some believe ENDS should be as widely available as smoked tobacco and argue for liberal ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago
  • Justice for Bomber
    When the Police were trying to cover up for the National Party over Dirty Politics, they went all-in with their abuses of power. They illegally search Nicky Hager's house, violating his journalistic privilege and invading his privacy. They unlawfully acquired Hager's bank records. They did the same to left-wing blogger ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Britain’s climate tyranny was unlawful
    Last month, in response to a wave of protests by Extinction Rebellion, the British government purported to ban their protests from the whole of London. It was a significant interference with the freedoms of expression and assembly, and another sign of the country's decline into tyranny. But now, a court ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • More crime from the spies
    Last year, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security reported on significant problems with the intelligence warrant system. While they were unwilling to declare any warrant "irregular" (meaning unlawful) due to the recent law change, they were also not willing to give the system a clean bill of health. Now, they've ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Vaccination, compulsion, and paternalism for the lower orders
    The National Party has come out in support of encouraging greater vaccination uptake. But it sure isn’t the way I’d do it. National’s suggested docking the benefits of those on benefit whose kids aren’t keeping up with their vaccinations. Some in National have suggested extending that to payments under Working ...
    SciBlogsBy Eric Crampton
    2 weeks ago
  • Global Protests Rage On: But Slogans Are Not Plans.
    Feeding The Flames: It is simply not enough to demand an end to “corruption”, or “inequality”, or the overbearing influence of the authorities in Beijing. These are just “lowest common denominator” demands: the sort of slogans that pull people onto the streets. They are not a plan.WHERE’S THE PLAN? Across ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 11,000 employed under Labour
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Boycott this democratic fraud
    The Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee has called for submissions on Andrew Little's tyrannical Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill. Normally I encourage participation in the democratic process. I am not doing so in this case. Instead, I encourage all of you to boycott this submissions process, and to post ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why Mars is cold despite an atmosphere of mostly carbon dioxide
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz If tiny concentrations of carbon dioxide can hold enough heat ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Ban private jets
    Aviation is one of the fastest growing sources of greenhouse gas emissions, and within it, one of the fastest sources is elite travel: billionaires flitting around the world in their private jets, spewing excessive pollution into the atmosphere just so they can avoid mixing with us dirty peasants. But in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Cowboy clampers will be stymied
    Clayton Mitchell, Spokesperson for Consumer Affairs The ‘wheel clamping’ Bill that will cap clamper fees to $100 passed its third reading in Parliament today. New Zealand First welcomes The Land Transport (Wheel Clamping) Amendment Bill to combat predatory wheel clamping behaviour in what is currently a largely unregulated business. Cowboy clampers are: gouging ...
    32 mins ago
  • Mental Health Commission back on track
    Jenny Marcroft, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First welcomes the passage of the Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission Bill through its first reading in Parliament. “Today’s progress takes serious action on the mental health and addiction crisis the country is facing,” says New Zealand First Health Spokesperson Jenny Marcroft. “The re-establishment ...
    46 mins ago
  • New Zealand’s key assets are not for sale: national interest test delivered
    Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries Today the Government announced the delivery of the promise to protect New Zealand interests by applying a new National Interest Test to the sales of our most sensitive and high risk assets to overseas buyers. This further strengthening of the Overseas Investment Act will ...
    19 hours ago
  • National interest test added to protect New Zealanders’ interests
    The Coalition Government is delivering on its promise to protect New Zealanders’ interests by applying a new national interest test to the sales of our most sensitive and high-risk assets to overseas buyers. Under current Overseas Investment Act (OIA) rules, assets such as ports and airports, telecommunications infrastructure, electricity and ...
    20 hours ago
  • Electoral law breach allegations
    Rt Winston Peters, Leader of New Zealand First Allegations raised this morning by Stuff Limited / Fairfax concern a party matter but I am confident that New Zealand First has operated within electoral laws, now and for the last 27 years. Declarable donations were declared to the Electoral Commission. Our ...
    20 hours ago
  • Wayne Brown hits back at critics: Ports of Auckland has to move
    The chairman of the Upper North Island Supply Chain Strategy (UNISCS) working group, Wayne Brown, has hit back at critics of his group’s recommendations to relocate the Ports of Auckland cargo operations to Whangarei’s deepwater port of Northport. The working group's recommendation to close Auckland waterfront to all but cruise ...
    2 days ago
  • Week That Was: Supporting our schools
    We're setting our young people up for success, investing in education around the country.  ...
    2 days ago
  • Kiwis to have their say on End of Life Choice
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First backs the public to decide on the End of Life Choice Bill via a referendum at the 2020 General Election. The Bill, with New Zealand First’s referendum provision incorporated, passed its final reading in Parliament this evening. New Zealand First Spokesperson for ...
    6 days ago
  • Addressing miscarriages of justice
    Darroch Ball, Spokesperson for Justice New Zealand First is proud that a key Coalition Agreement commitment which will provide for a more transparent and effective criminal justice system has been realised. Legislation to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission, an independent body focused on identifying and responding to possible miscarriages of ...
    1 week ago
  • Week That Was: Historic action on climate change
    "Today we have made a choice that will leave a legacy... I hope that means that future generations will see that we, in New Zealand, were on the right side of history." - Jacinda Ardern, Third Reading of the Zero Carbon Bill ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Tax-free deployments for Kiwi troops
    Darroch Ball, New Zealand First List MP A Member’s bill has been proposed that would provide income tax exemptions for all New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel while on operational deployment overseas. The Income Tax (Exemption for Salary or Wages of NZDF Members on Active Deployment) Amendment Bill proposed by New Zealand First ...
    2 weeks ago
  • A balanced Zero Carbon Bill passed
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader New Zealand First is proud to have brought common sense to the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill, which passed its final reading in Parliament today. Party Leader Rt Hon Winston Peters says months of hard work went into negotiating a balanced ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Paramedics’ status to be recognised
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First has listened to calls to recognise paramedics as registered health professionals under the Health Practitioners’ Competence Assurance Act (the Act). Today, the Coalition Government announced plans for paramedics to be registered as health practitioners under the Act, and the establishment of a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Week That Was: 2,000 teachers in two years
    We began the week by commemorating the New Zealand Wars and celebrating a major increase in the number of teachers. Then, we were busy supporting offenders into work and getting our rail back on track after years of underinvestment. And that's just the start! ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Winning an election one conversation at a time
    In October I was sworn in as the Mayor of Lower Hutt. It’s the privilege of my life to serve Hutt people as their Mayor. There is something really special to be able to serve the community where I was raised, and where I live.   ...
    3 weeks ago

  • Families Package helps over 1 million New Zealanders in first year
    1 million New Zealanders warmed by the Winter Energy Payment 36,000 families bank the Best Start Payment in first year 6,000 more families received the Family Tax Credit, 220,600 in total   They receive an increase too – from an average of $117 to $157 a week for Inland Revenue clients, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago
  • Clamp down on wheel clamping passes third reading
    New rules to clamp down on overzealous wheel clamping and extortionate fees charged in order to release a vehicle have passed their final stage in Parliament today. The Land Transport (Wheel Clamping) Amendment Bill has now passed its third reading. “These changes mean $100 will be the maximum wheel clamping ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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