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Open mike 26/06/2025

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  1. Todays Posts 1
    26 June 2025 at 6:00 am

    Today's Posts (updated through the day):

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  2. gsays 2
    26 June 2025 at 7:05 am

    A good Bradbury Group a couple of nights ago.

    Highlights were Prof Wayne Hope's 2 minute history of Iran and Claudette Hauiti making a distinction between indigenous peoples fighting against extraction companies versus protecting the whenua and sharing that Shane Jones was told e noho by his iwi.

    There was also a 10 minute segment with Chloe Swarbrick and mellowed Tau Henare in a reflective vibe.

    They look at the US/Israel attacks on Iran, Trans Tasman telling Iwi they must engage and Jones's drill baby drill stance (so 1880's).

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2025/06/24/8pm-live-tonight-the-bradbury-group-with-chloe-swarbrick-tau-henare-claudette-hauiti-and-professor-wayne-hope/

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    • Patricia Bremner 2.1
      26 June 2025 at 10:30 am

      We watched that. Very interesting, and the Trans Tasman bullying and hectoring very evident. His Iwi will speak in vain to Jones. He is ego driven.imo

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      • gsays 2.1.1
        26 June 2025 at 4:29 pm

        If you can get past Bomber's passion, the Bradbury Group is a good watch. Usually the guests are a little more diverse.

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  3. PsyclingLeft.Always 3
    26 June 2025 at 8:11 am

    ACT Leader and NZ Leader at present, gets his wish….(although he probably would have liked much less)

    Regulatory Standards Bill: 30 hours allocated for public submissions on Act Party leader's bill

    Speaking to media, Seymour said the bill was "probably the most consulted on bill this century" given it would be the bill's fourth time through the house.

    Labours Duncan Webb ( We maybe need to see much more of him ?)

    But, Labour's Regulation spokesperson Duncan Webb said it was the "most rejected bill we've ever seen" and Seymour wanted to "slip it through under the radar".

    Greenpeace Gen Toop ( I have huge Respect for them and Gen)

    Greenpeace spokesperson Gen Toop said Seymour comments were a "pathetic attempt" to "delegitimise" opposition to the bill.

    "Seymour has gone from calling people bots to smearing academics, and now he's trying to sideline people who have turned to trusted civil society organisations like Greenpeace to assist them in having their voices heard," Toop said.

    Toop said it was a "travesty" that there would only be 30 hours for people to be heard by the Select Committee and the bill would insert "far-right ideology" into the law making process.

    Last words to Lab Duncan Webb. (Onya Duncan)

    30 hours was "derisory" and "insulting".

    "It's undermining of people having a decent voice."

    Asked how long public submissions should go for, Webb said 100 hours for the Fast Track Bill and 80 for the Treaty Principles Bill was an "indication".

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/565152/regulatory-standards-bill-30-hours-allocated-for-public-submissions-on-act-party-leader-s-bill

    The Finance and Expenditure committee …

    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/scl/finance-and-expenditure/tab/mp

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    • Patricia Bremner 3.1
      26 June 2025 at 10:35 am

      Keep pressure up on your MPs. Luxon also, as he agreed this as part of the formation of the CoC. Labour have said they will reverse it in the first hundred days. It is not necessary or supported by New Zealanders. imo.

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      • PsyclingLeft.Always 3.1.1
        26 June 2025 at 6:46 pm

        Labour have said they will reverse it in the first hundred days

        I'm hoping this is the start of Labour back to..…Labour.

        Give Future NZ a Reset. We will bloody need it!

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    • Bearded Git 3.2
      26 June 2025 at 10:56 am

      Spineless Luxon should pull National's support for the bill.

      I really hope he doesn't. It will be the death of the COC at the election, and will be gone soon after.

      I'm surprised Winston hasn't read the runes and pulled support for it.

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      • PsyclingLeft.Always 3.2.1
        26 June 2025 at 6:58 pm

        Winston…is no longer reading runes. And his entrail examining is just..embarrassing. For him, and us. Sooner they all disappear into history ..the better for NZ !

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    • Incognito 3.3
      26 June 2025 at 11:09 am

      IIRC, none of the three previous attempted version made it “through the [H]ouse” and none to Select Committee stage inviting & hearing public submissions.

      This is another highly misleading comment from Seymour who clearly speaks with a forked tongue.

      In any case, the ‘bots’ this time deserve a fair hearing too. \sarc

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  5. Dennis Frank 5
    26 June 2025 at 10:44 am

    I liked this attempt by the Greens to provide a credible alternative to neoliberalism: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/19-06-2025/the-greens-have-broken-dramatically-with-the-james-shaw-era

    Packed with graphs and citations, her new fiscal strategy envisages government borrowing – to fix our failing infrastructure and tackle climate change – at around 55-60% of GDP, roughly three times the level backed by Robertson and Shaw. Borrowing could, the strategy argues, go far higher still. It justifies this by finding multiple flaws in the current orthodoxy.

    The first target is the Treasury’s belief that we need to keep borrowing low because we might at any time be hit by an economic shock so huge that it costs the government 40% of GDP – around $160bn currently – to fix.

    This, as Swarbrick pointed out scornfully on Tuesday, assumes we need to be ready for “two Covid-19-size shocks occurring simultaneously, or more than 23 simultaneous Cyclone Gabrielles” – a wholly unnecessary level of insurance.

    Max & Chloe link radicalism to markets – a conceptual leap hitherto deemed too difficult by most punters. I'm agnostic about how high this kite will fly…

    What the Green Party displayed this week is a carefully calibrated radicalism, one that delights in demonstrating that others – principally, the Treasury and the National Party – have been doing orthodoxy wrong, and that even the current financial rules leave far more room for manoeuvre than they have realised. “The things the Green Party are putting on the table are entirely credible,” Swarbrick carefully noted at the launch, “and will be recognised as such by international debt markets.”

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  6. Anne 6
    26 June 2025 at 11:13 am

    Interesting take on Trump and why the NATO Sec. Gen. performed such a groveling, boot-licking and sycophantic welcome to Donald Trump. Imo, he went over the top. He has cemented in Trump's view of himself as the new "Godfather":

    Six months ago Trump was running down NATO and wanted it dissolved iirc, but that was when he was having a love affair with Putin.

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    • SPC 6.1
      26 June 2025 at 12:16 pm

      Vanity of vanities. Managing Trump by his ego.

      NATO will not increase defence spending to 5% of GDP. It will pretend to, while Trump is POTUS 47.

      It is an absurd target, the USA spends less than 4% of GDP on defence and provides less foreign aid than many EU nations.

      In 2014 Obama called for an increase in reaction to the annexation of Crimea. An increase to 2% of GDP by 2024. Germany was laggard in going from 1% to 2% until 2022, when it said it would go to 2% asap (and now onto 3.5%).

      The UK and France will to 3% (and then onto 3.5%).

      All catching up to Poland – front-line.

      Others 2 to 3%.

      Not so much Spain, not front-line, it might get to 2% this time.

      They might decide on an interim stage of 3%, but also connect this to debt level per NATO state.

      Allowing Spain, Italy and Greece to be at 2% (while others have an interim 3% target).

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    • Phillip ure 6.2
      26 June 2025 at 6:29 pm

      He called trump 'daddy'…

      How weird is that..?

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      • BK 6.2.1
        27 June 2025 at 7:46 am

        Yes Phillip, that is exactly what I thought! I thought that was AI generated for a minute as I just thought what type of "leader" uses language like that? So strange and creepy as fuck!

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        • Phillip ure 6.2.1.1
          27 June 2025 at 9:59 am

          What makes it even weirder is how much trump liked being called 'daddy' by the head of NATO .

          (If you tried to put this into a script..it would be laughed out of the room…

          Beyond weird…

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        • Incognito 6.2.1.2
          27 June 2025 at 10:14 am

          Rutte is a very clever and highly experienced politician. And unless an AI made him say it out loud, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. As in NZ, people have become so sensitised to swearing and other emotive ‘strong’ language that it will almost always evoke immediate outrage. Cunning politicians in NZ make good use of it.

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  7. Ad 7
    26 June 2025 at 11:18 am

    Very sorry to hear of the passing of sitting MP Takutai Moana Natasha Kemp.

    Standout leader from south Auckland's Manurewa area over many years, gone far too soon at 50.

    Tough day for the Maori Party.

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  8. SPC 8
    26 June 2025 at 11:59 am

    Has anyone noticed that Labour want Winston to call out the illegal action by the USA in attacking Iran, but make no mention of Israel?

    If they think Israel's action was valid, then action in support of it, at their request, is also valid.

    (Greens condemned both actions).

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  9. SPC 9
    26 June 2025 at 4:24 pm

    Hipkins speech in parliament.

    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20250624_20250624

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

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    • SPC 9.1
      27 June 2025 at 1:07 am

      Nameless and wrong. Poor moderating.

      Over half of the Weasel Winston’s Five Eyes fudge post was a quote from the Hansard link (and it was not provided).

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      • lprent 9.1.1
        27 June 2025 at 8:19 am

        The link was on the first line of the post (my bold highlight).

        Winston Peters’ Ministerial statement in Parliament yesterday was a disgrace.

        That included Peters statement, but also the responses as usual – including Hipkins.

        The post hasn’t had any revisions after being publishing, they show in the post editing screen. The only thing that happened as weka pushed it to featured post. That shows in the history.

        Please don’t waste my moderating time with incorrect complaints about authors. I will probably wind up spending time checking. The waste of my time just irritates the hell out of me. When I get irritated about my scarce time budgets, I tend to moderate with a very heavy hand,

        Before claiming something about a author or moderator – then check it. In this case just read the damn post with your brain turned on

        BTW: moderators have a button “OpenMike” which sends bullshit comments that no obvious relationship to a post to the current days OpenMike. I wrote the code for it a decade ago.

        Your comments was piss-poor commenting because it didn’t say why you were dropping some random link into the comment stream for the post. It bore no obvious relationship to the post which you were commenting on. Which is what the OpenMike button is there for. Why waste time writing a moderator note for something that any adult commenter should have done themselves. Adults shouldn’t need guardians trailing behind them with arsewipes. Only small children need that.

        The OpenMike message is canned and doesn’t have the moderators name because I couldn’t see a need to look it up.

        The reason to use it is exactly expressed in the canned note. You didn’t provide the information that made it obvious how the comment related to the post or a comment you were replying to. A moderator pressed the appropriate button and it didn’t waste any time until you failed to read the note. Perhaps you should read the note again.

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      • Incognito 9.1.2
        27 June 2025 at 8:25 pm

        Even though it appeared you wanted to help fix a link in a Post, it backfired because you did it in a clumsy/lazy way that wasted people’s time. For this habit of yours you received a Mod note (https://thestandard.org.nz/weasel-winstons-fiveeyes-fudge/#comment-2037201) two days ago, so please don’t turn this into pattern behaviour that attracts the attention of Mods – they particularly dislike having their time wasted on stupid preventable stuff like this.

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        • SPC 9.1.2.1
          28 June 2025 at 12:31 pm

          Acknowledged. I'll only provide on topic links, if I have the time to make a comment. And I will leave all the site stuff to moderators.

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  10. Stephen D 10
    26 June 2025 at 4:48 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/25/democrats-learn-zohran-mamdani-victory?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    “ Or it can learn the lesson that the Zohran Mamdani campaign taught us on Tuesday.

    And that is:

    Have the courage to address the real economic and moral issues that face the majority of our people, take on the greed and power of the oligarchy and fight for an agenda that can improve life for working families.”

    Is there a lesson here for our Labour Party?

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  11. Psycho Milt 11
    26 June 2025 at 6:31 pm

    "There's something awe-inspiring about the fact he can draw a university professor's salary for this," ie for offering nothing that wasn't predictable. OK, fair dos, maybe he's doing some great research that somehow never makes it into his media interviews or his analysis, but if so: colour me surprised.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

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    • Obtrectator 11.1
      26 June 2025 at 11:59 pm

      Treated like this, it's more than "off topic or irrelevant" – it's totally incomprehensible. Might as well have deleted it outright if it really doesn't belong where it was originally placed.

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