Open mike 26/01/2012

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118 comments on “Open mike 26/01/2012”

  1. Bored 1

    Todays little gem from Granny…it appears National supporters are more likely to be unfaithful and have affairs. After that they drink Coke and fuck us over.

  2. tc 2

    Journalism at its finest…and here’s me thinking Pepsi is the choice of a new generation, glad that critical debate been settled.

    • Does this mean Coke is the real thing for a lefty?

      • Carol 2.1.1

        Huh? The the article says people who sign up to a marital cheater website are National voters, own a PC, drink coke, eat meat, have a tattoo, smoke and be a Christian. Nothing about pepsi.

        • mickysavage

          Right you are Carol.  I did not want to waste any bit of my life reading the article but have now done so and it looks like Pepsi is the true drink of leftys …

          • Vicky32

            and it looks like Pepsi is the true drink of leftys …

            What a pity! I love vanilla Coke…

  3. shorts 3

    Why is Mr Sheaer supporting Michael Fay? Shark jumping to be Labours leisure pursuit of choice?

    Labour leader David Shearer, who visited one of the Crafar farms yesterday, said he supported the Fay-led bid, which included iwi interests.
    “My feeling is that New Zealanders should be able to buy their own land and we should at least give them the first option to be able to buy it,” Mr Shearer said.

    • Enough is Enough 3.1

      My thoughts exactly.

      Michael Fay has done more damage to this country than any other business man…EVER. We should be rejecting the Chinese bid outright but Fay…really.

      Does anyone think he is doing this for the love of his country. Like fuck he is.

    • tc 3.2

      Fay has a low ball offer cynically exploiting the sentiment and politics to try and get it for a song, the waikato times pointed this out last year.

      He’s paying shedloads to PR outfits to spin him as a saviour…tui moment.

      Receivers are bound to get the highest price legally so what’s needed is strong and proactive political leadership…..uh oh.

    • Fortran 3.3

      New Zealanders have had two years to bid for the Crafer farms.
      They only had to offer what the banks considered acceptable (actually below) to the loans that they gave the Crafer family, and the Chinese would no be at the party.
      As for Michael Fay he is only looking to screw somebody, as he has done often in the past.

  4. just saying 4

    It seems to me that Labour has picked up from where it left off before it made a few desperate attempts to stench the blood of its base, maybe six months before the general election, and is back on the same political, tactical moral and public-relations trajectory, with the same players calling the shots, and the same heads in the sand, and just a new face for the brand.

    And the consequences will continue.

  5. Morrissey 5

    Thursday 26 January 2012
    Is NewstalkZB about to radically change its nature?

    Child abuse—that perennial talkback favourite. It’s always fascinating (and horrifying) to listen to radio hosts like Larry Williams, Mike Hosking, Leighton Smith and Susan Wood ranting and railing against the Labour/Green “nanny state” that finally (in 2009) abolished parents’ immunity from prosecution for assaulting their own children, and in the next breath condemn the parents who take smacking (which these radio hosts support) a tad too far and end up killing their children.

    It might have surprised some people, then, to hear this morning, just after 7:30 a.m., one of these fanatical anti-nanny staters and pro-kiddy whackers, Susan Wood, suggesting that the state should indeed do something about child abuse.

    Speaking very slowly and with the deepest voice she could manage, in order to emphasize just how serious she is, Wood put the following question to the Hon. Paula Bennett: “Do you think it’s time for the state to intervene more proactively?”

    Does this signal a radical change of policy at NewstalkZB? Will the hosts of this station now cease to defend the “right” of parents to hit their children?

    Who knows, but perhaps the hosts of this station will reverse some other of their long-established policy positions and speak out against knife killing, assaulting of women, Chinese government goons roughing up New Zealand MPs in the grounds of parliament, the mass killing of civilians and the destruction of hospitals, power stations and schools.

    • Anne 5.1

      Is NewstalkZB about to radically change its nature?

      Not bloody likely! There’s a big difference between 2008 (the smackng law passed 2008) and 2012. What passed for ‘nanny statism’ under Labour becomes acceptable practise under National.

      I’m waiting for the light bulb legislation now – under a pseudonym name of course.

    • Campbell Larsen 5.2

      Some will tell you that the woes of the Keydom result from simple human failings like greed, a lack of understanding or compassion.
      But our rulers know better. They know that the fault does not lie with them, after all to rule is a reflection of the grace of God and confirmation of his favour.
      There is a plague upon our land.
      A plague of Witches.
      They will be identified by their weakness.
      Those with little money or little power, those whose voices are easily silenced, those whose wretched human failings set them apart from the virtue and nobility of the people – they are the cancer that eats away at our prosperity.
      They must be found and punished, all of them. It may take many years, for as everyone knows Witches breed like rats, and if one touches you it is likely that you too may be infected.
      They may resist, but do not be discouraged, for both resistance and assisted confession are clear indicators of guilt.
      Light the fires, the promised land awaits.

    • fender 5.3

      I made a decision last year to never again listen to “newstalk”ZB ever again. Everybody has their own barrow to push but for a radio station to ram their outdated rwnj agenda down the throats of listeners is a disgrace. Late in (Leighten) the line for brain allocation Smith and Larry Williams loves his neighbour Key make me wanna chunder or do a Laws shootout gig. And in between the propaganda their high amount of adverts makes the name ad-talk ZB seem more appropriate.

  6. John Dalley 6

    Farrar wouldn’t, he needs to spout his paymasters rhetoric.

  7. fisiani 7

    Great to see that Aotea Square in Auckland has finally been returned to the 100%.

  8. lprent 8

    As interesting bug caused by a comment that made the page kind of hard to see (ie black). Fixed both the immediate cause in a comment and prevented it from happening in the future.

  9. Rosie 9

    Hey folks, as a random aside – have you noticed how incredibly bored, disinterested and contemptuous as ever JK looks, now that he’s been forced away from his holiday in his mansion in Hawaii or wherever he was? It was disturbing to see his return on TV3 news, mind you the sight of him always disturbs me any way, but he’s not even bothering trying to mask that he couldn’t care less about the crafar deal, chch and anything else of critical importance to NZ. It’s like he’s run out of “smile n wave juice” His face just screams “oh, god, theres all this lot to deal with again, this just isn’t what I signed up for”

    • fender 9.1

      Yes Rosie I noticed his “don’t wanna be here” demeanor as well.
      Never mind he’s off to Australia for another well earned break to watch the tennis shortly.

  10. AAMC 11

    2 Johns 2 Cups – tea tapes leaked

    • ianmac 11.1

      My hearing is not sharp enough. Hope someone transcribes it?

    • Rosie 11.2

      Damn my poor hearing! Can’t hear what they are saying due to all the background noise. What was the gist of the talk?

      • Uturn 11.2.1

        TV3 get a favourable mention by JK: “…they’ve been very good working for us…”.

        • The Voice of Reason

          TV3’s also “pretty solid”. That’s Key’s code for thick, gullible and will work for wine.

          • Carol

            I think the comment about TV3 is about the TV3 polls. It comes after talking about the latest Roy Morgan poll.

            • The Voice of Reason

              It follows on from the comment about how well TV3 are working for National, Carol. It’s either the next sentence or part of the same sentence. He’s claiming ownership of Garner and Gower. Amazing what results a cheap loan to Mediaworks will bring you in terms of fawning coverage. Very, very problematic for the two reporters.

              • Carol

                TVOR, as I hear it, they mention the Roy Morgan poll, then the TV3’s is working for them, has been solid, and then mentions the NZ Herald poll.

          • mik e

            $44 million dollars worth

        • Vicky32

          TV3 get a favourable mention by JK: “…they’ve been very good working for us…”.

          No surprises there then! 😀

      • idlegus 11.2.2

        not just your hearing, its pretty hard to figure out what they are saying, but whatever it is it sounds like a very dull conversation, they say something like ‘ooh, that labour party are so nasty, we would never do anything nasty like them” , but yeah hopefully someone transcribes it.

      • Anne 11.2.3

        Is it technically possible to remove the back-ground noise? I could just hear names being mentioned. I’m sure I heard JK claim something to the effect… Nah, he won’t make it. Got about 4 last time. He’ll get 3 this time. Winston Peters?

      • Carol 11.2.4

        Downloaded and listened to it on headphones. A lot of the first half is about polls, saying Labour’s negative campaigning doesn’t work, and Key being very smug about how he apporaches the media – positive upbeat approach etc. Then he and Banks rehearse what they are going to say to the media after their tea.

        Then they mention some woman MP as being pretty good and Banks talks about how he is approaching his campaign – but can’t hear a lot of the details.

    • queenstfarmer 11.3

      So that’s it? Where is the “scandal” the media (and of course many on this site) hinted at? And more why did John Key (or his advisers) handle it so stupidly?

      Oh well, puts that strange footnote to bed.

      • AAMC 11.3.1

        Key fed the prospect of scandal via his reaction, people on this site and others were reacting to his fear of it’s release.

        Must have been concerned about having to change his phone number..

      • Chris 11.3.2

        My theory is they handled it the way they did because it put the whole focus of the couple of weeks before the election on the tapes rather than on anything else Labour could’ve wanted.

        Obviously that plan worked but whether it actually helped the result is debatable.

        • Lanthanide

          It got Winston into parliament. So I’d say that backfired pretty badly on them.

          I attribute Labour’s poll slump to their stupid decision to announce that they would extend WFF to beneficiaries and the superannuation changes also weren’t well-received.

          • Chris

            Yeah that sounds about right – the working for families thing cracks me up as I’m willing to bet had Labour announced that they were giving additional money to beneficiaries who have children rather than framing it as an extension of working for families it would have gone down a lot better.

    • Lanthanide 11.4

      Key: Most photographed cup of tea in the world
      Banks: This is a very good media contingent
      K: Yeah, it’s huge eh
      B: I got to tell you
      K: Wherever I go though there’s really big numbers, normally ???
      B: I mean ah, there’s 30 here today, that is very very good

      • Lanthanide 11.4.1

        B: …the labour party has ah given up on Epsom.
        K: oh yeah
        B: he’s a horrible little fella that candidate
        B/K: nasty, nasty
        K: but yet they all are??? they’re a very nasty party in a lot of ways
        B: well, you know, they’re putting ah, they’ve been putting things in letter boxes about me, shocking socking stuff
        K: yes yes, it’s nasty. that’s what they do, they play the person the whole time. we never do that stuff.

        It goes on for a little bit after that but it’s hard to hear.

        • Lanthanide

          They talk about Winston, Key thinks he won’t get higher than 3%. Didn’t hear anything about supporters dying off, though.

          Right towards the end (around 6 minutes) they are apparently talking about ACT leadership and suggest whats-her-name would make a good leader, give a female perspective/influence, and refer to “that other guy” and an odd-fellow, to which Key agrees. He says something about “when they called me up in London”, I guess talking about when he was first parachuted into the party.

          • queenstfarmer

            Key said that NZ First’s “constituents (constituency’s?) dying off” or words to that effect. And up until the teapot tape, it was!

          • Carol

            I think that phone call relates to the Don brash comments. It comes after Key agrees with him being an odd fellow & says “we’ve been down that road, that is why when they called me in the UK…”

        • Dun Brush aka jaymam

          Can everyone please put the start time by the snippet of conversation that they have heard thanks.
          If a couple of dozen people transcribe 20 seconds each, we’ll have it finished.

          • Lanthanide

            I only transcribed the interesting bits. The rest of it was boring or hard to hear.

            • Rob

              Yes , then after we have done all that transcribing and debating the phonetics and intent of each statement we can back mask it so we can hear the true hidden message about JK wanting to murder all infants in their sleep, or something similar.

        • Anne

          Ah… so David Parker was one of the names.

          B: he’s a horrible little fella that candidate
          B/K: nasty, nasty
          K: but yet they all are??? they’re a very nasty party in a lot of ways.

          I’m sure there is a medical name for their delusional habit of transferring their own nasty, deceitful behaviour on to the shoulders of their opponents!

            • Carol

              Indeed. How contradictory is it to criticise Labour for negative campaigning by smearing Labour as “the nasty party”? This was in reference to Goff calling Key a liar and to the letter drops about Banks in Epsom. Yet, Labour also had far more positive policy stuff.

        • Anne

          B: well, you know, they’re putting ah, they’ve been putting things in letter boxes about me, shocking socking stuff.

          My recollection of that incident is that it turned out to be an individual (possibly two) who had no known association with the Labour Party.

    • ianmac 11.5

      Is there anything there that would spell big trouble for the cameraman?
      How likely will it be that damages can be awarded against the cameraman?

    • HEY
      Someone has gone through and edited the tapes and cut out the backgropund noise.  It is on youtube here.
      Everything is much clearer and you get a real sense of the sorts of people Key and Banks are.  Watch and be amazed …

    • ianmac 11.7

      A much clearer version of the tape via,

  11. adriank 12

    In the ‘Today in Politics’ section of the Dom this morning there was a note about how John Key is watching the Primaries from Hawaii and how he thought Romney was going to win. So far, so usual puff piece on our totes amazing PM.

    However, at the end of the piece it said something along the lines of “Unlike Mitt Romney, Mr. Key said he will not be making his tax returns public.”

    Why not? Why shouldn’t he? Shouldn’t the public finally get proof of the ‘fact’ that he pays his entire PM salary to charity? Shouldn’t we get to see proof of how ‘revenue neutral’ the tax switch was to one of NZ’s richest men?

    • Chris 12.1

      Not sure what I think about politicians having to release their tax returns – tend to be interested obviously but not sure they should have too.

      Did want to point out though that him releasing his tax returns would not show how revenue neutral the tax switch was for him as you would not be able to see how much GST he has paid on anything other than expenses directly relating to his income (which would not be much probably just bank/accounting/legal fees).

    • Colonial Viper 12.2

      Mitt Romney – one of the billionaire bankster cartel, higher up the food chain than Key actually.

    • Vicky32 12.3

      Why shouldn’t he? Shouldn’t the public finally get proof of the ‘fact’ that he pays his entire PM salary to charity?

      I was working at the time of the election, and was stunned and horrified when a
      20-something colleague said she’d voted National because “Key gives his parliamentary salary to charity”. I asked her for details, and of course she didn’t know anything. It confirmed me in my belief that pretty girls of 22 or so, are as dumb as toast. (After all, if you’re young and pretty, you don’t need to be clever, you’ll get (and keep) a job anyway,  hey?)

  12. Rosie 13

    Thanks AdrianK! let us know how you get on with the rest of the conversation. I’m not surprised by whats been said so far. and there was a lot of speculation about the “NZ first supporters dying off ” comment wasn’t there? If he really is referring to the elderly, he is such an evil bastard, but we know that anyway don’t we.

  13. Uturn 14

    Sounds like one of those dialogues that reveals information damaging to Key that you’d only realise if you were in the loop. He was sure Winston wasn’t going to be back. So embarrasment for internal polling? We all know how egotisical they all are, but it seems a flimsy pretext for the massive overaction that followed. At best, it’s an indicator of his true personality and he’s done a better job at emphasising that than anyone else.

    Other than that, does anyone want his mobile phone number?

  14. Colonial Viper 15

    So, the teapot tapes have been leaked on to youtube. Download a copy now.

  15. Uturn 16

    Does badmouthing Labour and Winston count as the nastiness that Banks and Key say that ACT and National don’t engage in? Banks says he never plays the man… unless it’s Winston … or “the brown man climbing in your window…”.

    • Ben 17.1

      Oooooer…that’s pretty shakey legal ground to publish that link. Mods ought to remove that.

      • Jackal 17.1.1

        I don’t think so. The law regarding the legality of the recording has not been established… besides, posting a link to highlight that somebody else may have broken the law is not publishing. I would argue that having the embed code is also not breaching the supposed law… I’m publishing the code, not the recording. The recording has already been published and is now common knowledge… even if they bother to remove the original uploaded recording, it will be republished again because that’s the nature of the internet.

      • Dun Brush aka jaymam 17.1.2

        Just direct people to Kiwiblog, where DPF gives the name of the uploader.
        If National’s official spokesman DPF thinks it’s OK to release the tape then who am I to argue?

    • The Voice of Reason 17.2

      That needs to be removed, Ev. It exposes The Standard to potential legal action. I’d hit the ‘request deletion’ button pronto, if I were you.
      ps, Ev, a mate has just discovered the truther madness. I did my best to show him the obvious stupidity of the argument, but he insisted on ‘learning’ more, so I recomended your site as the best repository of ‘facts’ about 9/11. Hope you don’t mind me endorsing you!

      • mickysavage 17.2.1

        Bit late TVOR but if you want to hear an edited and much clearer version then try this one.

      • travellerev 17.2.2

        So sue me. I did not publish it someone else did and I linked to it just like others on the thread. If they are stupid enough to sue everybody who linked to it and downloaded it and spread it I hope they start at Kiwiblog because that is where I got the link from.
        Otherwise your submission to the vindictiveness of our ruling elite looks pretty sad to me.

        • The Voice of Reason

          It wasn’t you being sued I was worried about, Ev, it was the Standard. The Tories would love to be able instruct the coppers to close this site down, so giving them an opportunity to do so seems foolish. However, I see there is now a post which gives the address, so the mods must be confident that there will be no legal problems from linking to it. I hope they are right, but that doesn’t make you (or the others) any less irresponsible or thoughtless for publishing it.

          • Colonial Viper

            Close this site down? Another one would open within days, probably offshore too. Then what are they going to do?

          • travellerev

            The link had already been posted here and just about everywhere before I did. Jackal is very clear as I also stated I did not publish it here I linked to the person who had published it. I have no intention of jeopardising anybody’s blog. So fuck off with your yellow bellied whinging and kowtowing to the powers that be.

            • The Voice of Reason

              CV: it’s not just a question of the internet; there are real people associated with this site and real consequences if the Police were to decide that The Standard had ‘published’ the leak. They’ve already shown themselves to be actively willing to censor the media at John Key’s personal request, an action not seen here, since, oh, 1951.
              I note Farrar immediately put up a ‘do not publish the address’ note on his site, and whatever his politics, the man is not stupid.
              Ev: it is you who is yellow bellied, by recklessly putting somebody else’s site at risk. Feel free to set up camp on the moral high ground at your own place. You would always have the legal defence that your whole blog is satire and nothing you say should be taken seriously.

              • McFlock

                That’s up to the trustees, moderators and admins of The Standard. I’m sure most of them are grownups who are capapble of making judgement calls about such things.

                • The Voice of Reason

                  Dead right, McFlock, but I made my original comment at 1.16pm, well before any of the mods appeared to be aware of the release of the tape. I was urging caution for a genuine reason, but it is definitely their call once they are aware and they have made their position clear by putting up the address themselves.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Self censorship, they’re relying on it. Put it another way, if any of the Standard administrators ever get charged on this, they’re going to have one hell of a big defence fund.

                  • lprent

                    That is why I linked to it, rather than posting it. Not much law on linking.

                    As it stands there is a hell of a lot of grey area between the requirements of an exemely slow ongoing police investigation and the requirements of public interest. I probably wouldn’t have released it, certainly won’t hold it in this country, and have no real issues with linking to public accessible copies.

                    • Jackal

                      Speaking of police investigations, they still haven’t bothered to look into my formal complaint concerning Owen Glenn trying to bribe people to vote Nact. Perhaps if the Police had given my complaint the attention it deserves, I might feel a bit more inclined to adhere to their requests.

              • Oh God you’re a nasty piece of work. It is you who is going for the moral high ground and your stupidity has no end. Last time I looked Iprent was very good at protecting the Standard and I have no doubt he would have banned me forever if he thought I jeopardised this blog.
                So get of your high horse, grow some balls and pull your head in. LOL

                [lprent: Yep, you’d be out of here if you caused the site problems, and I think that you only received a few warning bans long ago.

                I might not agree with people but if I booted people for that then there wouldn’t be any posts apart from my words of wisdom. Even then it is a bit problematic as I tend to disagree with myself frequently. It is a operating requirement for any good programmer to always second guess themselves on everything because that is how you remove inaccurate presumptions.

                People most commonly get booted from here for behaviour that attacks the site, authors, or effectively causes shutdowns in the comments. Most of those are pretty apparent. The next most common reason can roughly be defined as “boring the moderators”. Which is a direct derivative of attacking the site: bored moderators stop moderating which causes a shutting down the comments as moderators stop the really really boring flamewars that rapidly diminish the numbers of people reading comments. ]

                • The Voice of Reason

                  Oh, noes! I pissed off a paranoid righty by suggesting they take care that they don’t damage somebody else’s property. However will I get over the shame?

                  • Vicky32

                    I pissed off a paranoid righty

                    Pot, meet kettle! AFAIK you’re the righty, my friend – being pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-everything else, is not enough to make you left… 😀

              • Dun Brush aka jaymam

                If the police are going to have a go at anyone for revealing how to find the video, they will of course have to prosecute DPF, who was the first person to publish the name of the uploader to Youtube that I could find. That name is still there on Kiwiblog. If it disappears I have a screep cap of the Kiwiblog page that mentions the name of the uploader. So I guess the police will not be prosecuting anybody will they? Otherwise dozens of blogs can keep harping on this matter until the next election.

          • McFlock

            It’s something that the media should have done in the first place.

  16. Rosie 18

    Thanks Lanthanide and others for providing us with the service of your ears. Still not bowled over by whats been said, on the surface of it. I don’t get why they (jb, Jk, and Nat) went all uppity about it, called the police and started crying and going all po faced. So far, as much as we know theres nothing there that is scandalous (unfortunately) or defames anyone. Labour would know they’re not liked, they get it every day that parliment is in session. To my mind JK’s accusation towards Labour that they organised that guy to attempt to get over the railing at the public gallery in parliament last year was far worse, and then the throat cutting gesture. What a dick. I did love the lolnats take on that though.

    • Keep looking everybody, there’s something in there to be found. Key is apologising apparently…

      Key’s apology

      • Tazirev 18.1.1

        Is it possible that Key is apologising for something that has been deleted from the tape and he doesn’t know it??

        • Carol

          No, I think the comments about odler constituents dying off is there. The only other possibly damaging thing at the time of the elcction was the lack of faith in Brash and the promotion of Isaacs.

          Although key’s smearing of Labour as “the nasty party” is…. nasty, given he’s referring to Goff calling Key a Liar, and some appparently pretty tame mail drops about Banks. That’s an over reaction altogether. And Key’s apology says he says things differently in private than in public…!?

  17. Fortran 19

    From what I can hear and deduce its a boring nothingness.
    Have we been conned ?

    • Carol 19.1

      Seems so to me.

    • Carol 19.2

      Tim Selwyn’s take on the tap has a couple of extra details, and the dogiest stuff may have been said in a whisper, after Banks says he didn’t know, following the 15% snap election comment:

      Starts with voices of handlers shooing the media away. Then they talk about what a good media turnout they have – about 30 press. Then Key talks about polling, saying he expects National to ease to 50%: “around 49”.

      JB: “the left have been nasty”… “you have no idea how vicious they’ve been, especially at public meetings […] we can handle that…”
      JB: “Someone said that you’d be working with… ah, ah…”

      Now there is no name mentioned but they both know who they mean. There’s a lot of nod, nod, wink, wink with that – are they talking about a journo, a consultant? Then Key tells Banks what he will say to the media when they finish their cuppa. You can hear the clinking cups etc. so the “teapot”. Then Banks tells Key what he should say:

      JB: “You might be inclined to say ‘I know John quite well’ […]
      JB: Do you think Winston will cross the line?
      JK: “Not a dog’s show. He’s at 2.5 on TV3 […] He won’t poll much over three…”
      JB: Labour have given up on Epsom. […] Labour are nasty…
      JK: The reason I don’t text is it puts you under pressure to say whether he has or hasn’t […]
      JB: I haven’t talked to you. […] Catherine and the 4 of us […] restructure the party…

      So Banks thought he could get 4 in. They got only himself in in the end, but he was still confident at this point – just as Key was that Winston wouldn’t make it. Act falling and certainly the rise of NZ First was in large part due to the existence of this recording.

      JB: He’s a strange fellow the other fellow, isn’t he
      JK: Mmm, yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, no, we’ve been down that road. The reason why when they rang me in the UK I never ever thought that […] 15% a snap election.
      JB: No, no, I didn’t know, I didn’t know.

      That odd fellow they refer to is Don Brash. What the hell 15% and snap elections have to do with anything and why Banks is claiming profusely that he didn’t know is odd.

      • Dun Brush aka jaymam 19.2.1

        Excellent work. Let us please use this format. If in doubt as to the speaker, leave the start of the line blank. And feel free to dispute any transcript so we can have another listen.

        JK: What do you want to do, scan it?
        JB: Yep.

        JK: Is that yours?
        JK: Is that yours?
        JK: Is that yours?
        JB: No.
        JK: Hey that’s a recording device.

        It’s someone’s recording device.
        Let’s take a look.
        7:50 recording muffled

  18. Salsy 20

    It’s on youtube, cant work it out much thought its very noisy.. Sorry nearly posted but realised it was illegal.

  19. Draco T Bastard 21

    Gingrich calls for moon base, space contests
    An interesting headline because, as the text makes clear, what he’s actually calling for is more state subsidies of private business. Here’s the text:

    Gingrich said he wanted to spend 10 percent of NASA’s $18 billion budget on prize money for competitions that spur innovation and technological breakthroughs in space.

    US$1.8b into private hands per year.

    During a debate in Florida on Monday, Romney said he believed space should be a priority.

    “What we have right now is a president who does not have a vision or a mission for NASA. I happen to believe our space program is important not only for science, but also for commercial development and for military development,” he said.

    If it was important for commerce then it would already be happening. ATM, it’s still far too cheap to continue to destroy the Earth’s environment for private profit.

    The really funny thing about that is that US$1.8b is chump change:

    Apple’s cash balance is now a quarter of its $415 billion market capitalization and roughly equals California’s 2012-2013 state budget.

    • Colonial Viper 21.1

      A moon base, that’s real funny.

      In a few years, the US won’t even be able to keep its carrier fleet at sea most of the time.

  20. Jackal 22

    Cameron Slater – Asshole of the Week

    Amongst the claims by the right wing that there’s nothing of note in the teapot tape and we should all just move along, is another feckless rant by Cameron Slater…

  21. fred 23

    Do you not think he uploaded the tape himself as he new Parliament was about to sit and Winstone will let every body know. now the heat is off

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