Open Mike 29/07/2018

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1. bwaghorn 1

   29 July 2018 at 7:04 am

   People who have accepted climate change as fact need to stop using the word believe when talking about it . It is not a religion that needs you to believe for it to be real it is science fact .
   Using the word believe means people have the room to use the word Don’t in front.
   • tc 1.1

     29 July 2018 at 8:47 am

     Theres alot of media enforced conditioning responsible for that and many other fact/science based issues like child poverty, housing, an underfunded health system, polluted waterways etc.

     This is why Turnbull in Oz has the ABC/SBS in his murdoch sponsored gun sights. The annoying facts and science approach they want to shut down.

     NBN is a debacle that’s all Malcoms own doing that he’ll not want a fact based approach over as one example. Their latest corp tax cuts another.

     It’s also why he keeps pimping for national, those dead rats take awhile to digest and wupert didn’t have any media in NZ to offer up for his cause.
     • cleangreen 1.1.1

       29 July 2018 at 9:38 am

       Yes TC and bwaghorn;

       Tthat ‘stool pigeon for anti-climate club Turnbull’ – has just been punished for his igniorance of not accepting climate change is real and here now, – by loosing four out of five bi-election seats last night.

       “Revenge is sweet”

       Last night Australian Labour won four of the five bi-election seats and Bill Shorten is claiming it as a clear sign Labour will win the next General Election.

       http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-28/by-election-justin-keay-wins-braddon-antony-green-says/10047350
       • tc 1.1.1.1

         29 July 2018 at 10:25 am

         Long way to go with Murdoch backing Turnbull who btw just removed Hawke/Keatings cross media ownership rules.

         By bye fairfax…merging with a celebrity sports tv operation under private equity.
   • KJT 1.2

     29 July 2018 at 2:26 pm

     The correct term is (AGW). Anthropocenic Global Warming, BTW.

     Climate change, is one of the results.
   • corodale 1.3

     30 July 2018 at 12:19 am

     …guess this shows there are still plently of realists amoung the left.
2. Jenny 2

   29 July 2018 at 7:52 am

   Fascism in Eygpt

   The US writes the cheques while the Al Sisi regime takes a page out of the Al Assad playbook.

   “U.S. lifts restrictions on $195 million in military aid for Egypt: official”
   Reuters – Wednesday, July 23, 2018

   “Egyptian court sentences 75 to death for their involvement in a 2013 sit-in”
   The Associated Press – Saturday, July 28, 2018

   Much like the Obama administration, which paid lip service to human rights at the height of the Arab Spring, but behind the scenes gave the Egyptian military an extra $1.3 billion in military aid to the Egyptian Army. Within weeks of receiving the $1.3 billion from the US, the Egyptian military overthrew the democratically elected government and seized control, in a US backed coup.
   • corodale 2.1

     29 July 2018 at 9:22 am

     Whatever happened to the real hard men, like Pope Paul II.
     He would get this shit sorted in a jiffy.
3. Koff 3

   29 July 2018 at 8:02 am

   Good results for the ALP across the ditch in 4 by-elections yesterday.

   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-28/by-election-justin-keay-wins-braddon-antony-green-says/10047350?section=politics

   Looks more certain that the Labor Party will win back control of the Aussie federal government next May. Would have liked to see that horrible, little reactionary John Howard’s face in Auckland last night when the news came through. Another nasty man, Peter Dutton, the Australian Immigration minister who is in a marginal seat in Qld may be soon out of a job.
   • lprent 3.1

     29 July 2018 at 8:31 am

     Yeah, but what a lot of simple minded bullshit about nothing..

     Perth was the only by-election not caused by a dual citizenship issue.

     Sometimes Aussies appear to be as brainless as a Trump.
     • Adrian Thornton 3.1.1

       29 July 2018 at 8:38 am

       ‘Sometimes Aussies appear to be as brainless as a Trump’ yeh and definitely just as racist.
     • weston 3.1.2

       29 July 2018 at 2:36 pm

       Yeah an interesting that aussies voted recently the second most happiest population !! No brain …no pain ?
   • tc 3.2

     29 July 2018 at 9:08 am

     Be a good one for the liberals to lose, having pushed corp tax cuts through by appeasing the racists in One nation, installed a google exec as ABC CEO and have begun the ‘it’s yesterdays model, we can’t afford the ABC today ‘ mantra in the MSM.

     Rudds mining super tax may seem a long time ago but it serves as a reminder as to how long they have been knobbling the average Ozzie via corporate welfare. When they aren’t in power giving it away, they’re in opposition blocking attempts to rebalance it.

     Labour will also have their appalling immigration/detention practices to deal with. Like his mate shonky, Mal’s kicked as many cans down the road as possible for someone else to deal with.

     As for dutton gez he’s got plenty of mates like Chris Pyne, Michaela cash, George Brandis and remember Tony Abbotts still lurking with intent. Then there’s the christian breakaway led by Cori Bernardi after he was voted back as a liberal……my what a lovely bunch.
   • cleangreen 3.3

     29 July 2018 at 9:43 am

     Well said Koff; that was a positive rtesiult for labor in Australia eh?

     Rid the horrible Liberal/National/coalition Gov’t of Australia they are so bloody toxic.

     Yes John Howard the “coward” is a very nasty person for sure.

     Last night Australian Labour won four of the five bi-election seats and Bill Shorten is claiming it as a clear sign Labour will win the next General Election.

     http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-28/by-election-justin-keay-wins-braddon-antony-green-says/10047350
   • ScottGN 3.4

     29 July 2018 at 9:48 am

     Dutton’s seat is next door to Longman. If the swing is similar at the general election he’s toast, as is the Coalition government which is becoming really unpopular in Queensland.
     • Wensleydale 3.4.1

       29 July 2018 at 12:48 pm

       If anyone deserves to be thrown under the bus, it’s Dutton. He’s a graceless, vindictive troglodyte with all the empathy of a landmine.
4. Adrian Thornton 4

   29 July 2018 at 9:01 am

   So it looks like the Guardian has given up all illusions of being a news source that reports in a fair and balanced way.
   For one example they have been relentlessly attacking Corbyn on this ridiculous anti sematic angle for the past two months, only slightly easing up for a couple of days when the Israeli’s massacred over sixty unarmed protesters on the Gaza prison fence.

   Of course there are no comments allowed on these stories (slurs) or on any stories that involve Gaza, Israel, Novichok, Russia the slow demise of the DNC establishment etc.

   And if you do comment on any of these subjects on another story in a conversation with other commenters, they will delete your comment pretty quickly…no free speech on the Guardian…just shut up and follow the party line.

   In fact The Daily Mail of all places, often has more balanced stories on some these subjects than the Guardian…that is the low level that the Guardian has sunk too.
   • tc 4.1

     29 July 2018 at 9:25 am

     yes wonder how long before their excellent football coverage is impacted.

     They’ve outspoken contributors on the bent state of FIFA, UEFA and the run down state that grassroots football is in the UK. Not a message that’s popular among those benefiting from the current status quo.
   • Ed 4.2

     29 July 2018 at 9:54 am

     The Guardian is a liberal establishment rag.
     It engages in identitarian skirmishes , having long ago given up on the class and economic war.
     Its vicious attacks on Corbyn shows its true colours.
5. Carolyn_Nth 5

   29 July 2018 at 9:35 am

   Blow by blow tweeted report on speeches at the Canadian pair’s Melbourne event. In case you have any doubts that these are vile racists.

   Trigger warning: there be endless expressions of European superiority and attacks on Aborigines, Chinese, etc and their cultures. And that’s just from Molyneux, before I even read reports on Southern’s stint.

   Actually, Southern reported as lacking in charisma, and not as gross as Molyneux – probably the relatively benign and acceptable face of expressions of European ‘superiority’: attacking lefties and the media: attacks multiculturalism; praises free speech and democracy.

   https://twitter.com/SimonCopland/status/1023146540649537536
   • Anne 5.1

     29 July 2018 at 9:56 am

     It predisposes then that if they come to NZ we will be entertained with a new twist on the history of the Maori race. Bring it on and see what sort of response they will get.

     Since folk like them are cowards, they will be on a plane fleeing the country within hours of delivery.
   • One Two 5.2

     29 July 2018 at 10:39 am

     ‘Trigger Warning’

     To be ‘triggered’… Being ‘triggered’…

     Given the free publicity offored by this blog and other media…anyone ‘triggered’ is still feeding the problem…

     ‘Triggered’

     Oh my

     .
     • millsy 5.2.1

       29 July 2018 at 2:31 pm

       Conservatives are the ones that need trigger warnings. Biggest snowflakes out there. They cry every time they see anything to do with sex on the TV or in literature.
       • Incognito 5.2.1.1

         29 July 2018 at 2:36 pm

         LOL, they must be bawling their eyes out each time they connect to the internet then …
   • tc 5.3

     29 July 2018 at 10:40 am

     This should be outed for the facism that it is, labelled as such and isolated with a “warning: contains facism” tag. Sheeple need warnings like on fag and medication products.

     Compare this with the efforts to keep Holocaust deniers out Vs efforts to get the alt right in as that’s free speech as well isn’t it based on the alt rights definition ?

     We allow the rise of facism at our own peril. The alt right is a cancer against a tolerant mutlicultural society.
     • Carolyn_Nth 5.3.1

       29 July 2018 at 10:58 am

       Oh. And Southern is anti-feminist:

       https://twitter.com/SimonCopland/status/1023179452837023744

       Southern says women and men are not unequal, we are just different. Says feminists have made life shit for women. Says it was much better for women when they were put on pedestals and loved for the things we do well.

       Yes, Aunt Lydia.

       One Two, it’s gone beyond that now. Internationally, the neo-nazis are on a roll. It is something that the Trump presidency has green-lighted.

       Pauline Hanson is now planning to come to NZ.

       Initially, my thoughts were to not give these people oxygen. Now, we need to publicly stand up and support a better view of society and inclusiveness.
       • One Two 5.3.1.1

         29 July 2018 at 11:10 am

         Hanson planning to come to Nz – So what if she does plan…or actually turn up…

         The so called left is being absolutely played to perfection…the regressive tendancies are being pried out and are now exposed, by an open and public failure of coping mechanisms…

         Tc says sheeple need warnings like on fag packets

         It’s all dumbing down, and regressive…

         Have you been Triggered, CN ?
         • Carolyn_Nth 5.3.1.1.1

           29 July 2018 at 11:26 am

           You are mis-using the term trigger warning, one two.

           Those who have least to fear are complacent about the rise in neo-nazis: i.e. white, middle and upper class, heterosexual males.

           There is a group now forming (“Love Aotearoa, hate racism”)

           If you think standing by and saying nothing while this rolls on internationally, you have not been paying attention.

           As Idiot/Savant says:

           Good. More speech, not less.
           • One Two 5.3.1.1.1.1

             29 July 2018 at 12:26 pm

             How have I ‘misused’ , CN ?

             Those
             Least to fear
             Complacent
             White
             Middle Class
             Upper Class
             Heterosexual
             Males
             Standing by
             Saying nothing
             Not paying attention
             Love
             Hate

             So very misguided …playing directly into the agenda…

             So very regressive…

             You’re one of the more considered posters on this site over time…but recently your comments have indicated distress…

             Sincerely, I hope you’re ok…

             You’re first instinct was and still is, appropriate…
             • Carolyn_Nth …

               29 July 2018 at 12:58 pm

               Gas lighting isn’t helpful. See the first sentence in the definition.

               Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity.

               Trying to make it about me is a diversion from a wider and very important issue. It is about power, and marginalised and demonised groups of people, where some advances have been made towards greater social and economic equity. And it’s about the attempts by some to turn back the clock and re-entrench insitutionalised racism, mysogyny, homophobia, etc.

               It’s a bigger issue than any one person.

               Are you trying to shutdown and silence all those who would speak out against the vileness of the hate speech of Molyneux in particular, and their even more vile followers on and off social media?

               As I/S says, more speech at this time, is the way forward by those who oppose the neo-nazis.

               Trigger warnings are for those who may find the content distressful. Using that to claim somehow I’ve gone off the deepend, is just diversionary.

               The content of the Canadian pairs’ speeches targeted and viciously abused Aboriginal people, and immigrants, and asked for government policies to put them in their ‘inferior’ place in society.

               You know the poem

               First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
               Because I was not a socialist.

               Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
               Because I was not a trade unionist.

               Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
               Because I was not a Jew.

               Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

               The people organising for “Love Aotearoa, hate racism” are being led by immigrants, Māori and Pacific people.

               And Morgan Godfery has been quite vocal on twitter this morning, in response to the report of the Canadian pairs Melbourne appearance.

               A big anti-racist demo in Auckland, away from the bigots’ venue, and in other NZ cities, would also be a great way to stand up for a better way.
               • One Two …

                 29 July 2018 at 3:54 pm

                 ‘Gas-lighting’…. for crying out loud Carolyn… clearly you find what others are saying as influential… I’m not concerned what I/S et al have to say…it is not relevant to how I think or feel about this…

                 Psychological manipulation is precisely what is going on…
                 The traps have been set…and are being walked into…

                 It is about the response, it is about the emotive reactions feeding oxyen to a manufactured fire that can’t sustain its energy levels without taking energy from elsewhere….or being handed it willingly…

                 So this is about you…and those who sound as though they think that confronting it head on is the appropriate approach to take….

                 People are free to put their energy into anything they so choose but need to realize that energy is finite and taking a ‘bombing the way to peace’ approach is unlikely to achieve genuine outcomes..

                 Hate – This is a word which too many people have no concept of why they should NEVER use it…and it’s being used as a counter concept…good grief that is poorly thought out…
                 Neo-natzi – No they aren’t
                 Bigots – Actors

                 The so called left are going to capitulate in a seething pile of regressive intolerance…becoming a parody of those very same traits they purport to stand for…

                 That is far more dangerous to positive future direction than anything those two Canadians ‘represent’….

                 It is unsurpising to witness…
                 • McFlock …

                   29 July 2018 at 4:44 pm

                   OK, so we don’t give these two, or hanson, our attention.

                   That doesn’t mean they go away. That just means they have an unopposed opportunity to find and reinforce their support.

                   You want a case study of a little closed group reinforcing its exclusivity while being ignored? It’s the gamergate culture that served as an uncubating cyst for this latest neofascist bullshit.

                   And don’t kid yourself. These two make neofascists feel tough. That’s why “14 words” posters and leaflets are now being distributed around Dunedin. It’s no coincidence.
           • corodale 5.3.1.1.1.2

             29 July 2018 at 8:13 pm

             A group called “…Hate Racism?” Countering hate with hate? How does that work? Guess the name could attract good funding though.
       • millsy 5.3.1.2

         29 July 2018 at 2:34 pm

         Southern carries on about freedom of speech but wants gay pride parades banned.

         She would put every single LGBT person in concentration camps.
   • joe90 5.4

     29 July 2018 at 11:42 am

     I need a fucking bath after reading that.

     But anyhoo, unrolled.

     https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1023146540649537536.html
     • Dennis Frank 5.4.1

       29 July 2018 at 1:39 pm

       That link provided a semblance of reporting what they actually said, so it was helpful. The earlier one was just a bunch of kids emoting at each other, total waste of time reading it. Why do such people think that their personal inadequacies deserve more space on the internet than the actual event??

       As far as the reportage goes, I didn’t see as much crap as I thought I would. Depictions of abo culture realistic? How would anyone know? If based on historical investigations, then sources must be cited to validate them. Even then, white historical reports will be suspect. Anthropologists in the 19th & early 20th centuries are likely to be unwitting victims of their innate cultural bias. That’s why leftists are prone to conflating their reports with racism.

       We’d be more informed if investigations and reportage dealt with current aboriginal cultural practices. If the Canadians had reported stats of child abuse, for instance, that showed children being victimised nowadays more than in white Oz, they’d be on solid ground. Not doing so just looks like cultural bias.

       As regards multiculturalism operating like a cult, that’s only true for a small portion of the populace. To claim that most leftists think like that is unfair to leftists. They didn’t actually make that claim according to the report, just implied it. Interesting that she doesn’t identify as alt-right. I get the impression that their attempt to re-balance western societies in the interests of collective sanity is sincere, but the intellectual content of the reasoning must improve to get the result they’re aiming for. Assimilation is indeed the key, and the report suggests they failed to explain the toxic effect of immigrant enclaves operating in a separatist manner and trying to promote exclusive ideologies.
     • marty mars 5.4.2

       29 July 2018 at 1:50 pm

       Ta joe – Molyneux is your classic very thick pseudo everything. His thoughts on aboriginal culture show how thick he is and really he is ludicrous.
       • greywarshark 5.4.2.1

         29 July 2018 at 7:17 pm

         He might be thick but manages to attract curious insects on his flypaper.
         It sounds as if Southern is mostly the angel face to provide the glamour to balance and gildd the ole’ down-home Joe dressed in a way that real blokes can identify with.
         • Incognito 5.4.2.1.1

           29 July 2018 at 11:00 pm

           Glamour or sex appeal? She’s oft called a “poster girl”, which has a denigrating sound to it when taken literally …
     • corodale 5.4.3

       30 July 2018 at 12:29 am

       Which virus does that link give? … have they also make modifactions on the malwear softwear..?
   • adam 5.5

     29 July 2018 at 4:40 pm

     Why are you giving them oxygen Carolyn_Nth?

     Just wondering how you think that tactic helps?
     • McFlock 5.5.1

       29 July 2018 at 4:47 pm

       I found it useful for a start – next time someone asks “but what are they actually saying that’s so bad”, there’s a nice recent blow-by-blow.

       Why do you think that doing nothing will help?
       • adam 5.5.1.1

         29 July 2018 at 5:03 pm

         Do you need to go and explained to people what self-seeking attention seekers are, or indeed what trolls are? If that not enough of an explanation, then point out their racist’s who cause riot’s – should fix most conversations. Why this morbid need to give them oxygen by repeating what they say, I hardly think they are worth it.

         As for do nothing, in this case feeding this behaviour helps them. Can’t see how people are missing that. These really are just attention seekers of the lowest order, they love the drama.

         Why give way to people who do nothing but promote division, when you could do better by organising and working with people to make a better society – which isn’t racist, chauvinist, and violent.
         • McFlock 5.5.1.1.1

           29 July 2018 at 5:14 pm

           Because it’s not just about these two jerks.

           Sure, if there’s a controversy the self-perceived victimhood is reinforced, and these two might get a flurry of clicks from people wanting to know why people think these two are shits.

           But if the only people who know about people spreading this sort of message are the willing recipients of that message, their auditoria will still be full and people might think that this is a normal part of the political spectrum.

           If you say “these people are racists who cause riots” the natural response is “what do they say that’s racist”? If you don’t know what they say, your first claim looks pretty weak. But now everyone knows what they say, we can have that discussion. And when that fails (because neofascists aren’t really interested in discussion) everyone knows why they’re fighting.
           • greywarshark 5.5.1.1.1.1

             29 July 2018 at 7:12 pm

             Good reply – reasoned like their polemic won’t be.
           • adam 5.5.1.1.1.2

             29 July 2018 at 7:29 pm

             Come on racists say very few new things, so that argument is silly. Even if that the case, so here me guessing that they said Aboriginals were lazy and subspecies, just like Pauline Hanson said 25 years ago. It’s the same low life crap white people keep repeating like some sort of truth.

             And so organising and working with other people is pointless in your opinion then? Because fighting these people is more important, yeah, nah, sorry not buying it.

             The hard right have been on this waka for a very long time, these are just the latest bunch of turds to pop up. The people who will buy this crap, are already buying this crap.

             The way to fight this stuff is to offer better examples and positive models going forward, and of course humour.
             • McFlock …

               29 July 2018 at 7:43 pm

               Fascists have been around for a century. How much support they get is what changes.

               Organising and working with people who are dogwhistlers for people who like to do torchlight parades chanting about jews replacing them is pointless. History shows us they will work with anyone to further their own ends, then put their former allies on a train when they are no longer useful.

               Humour is good, very good. I definitely follow the mel brooks approach to nazis: make them a laughing stock. But when they’re on your doorstep, in your neighbourhood or town, confront them as much as you can. Offer them scorn. Because if you give them respect, you give them validation.

               But yes, there is a lot of material in a canadian who wears MAGA gear and US flags cruising around Australasia in order to talk about how bad multiculturalism is.
               • Carolyn_Nth …

                 29 July 2018 at 8:31 pm

                 Like your last paragraph McFlock on the Canadian’s sartorial contradictions.

                 I was in London when the National Front was a malicious presence in the late 70s. They had marches in areas with a lot of Afro-Caribbean people, intending to intimidate them. Away from media glare, there were bashings and violence against black people – that kind of violence hid behind the public rhetoric.

                 There were some smallish counter demos by anti-racist groups in those neighbourhoods.

                 The demos I went on, were massive ones through the centre of London, and brought together diverse groups. (wikipedia on RAR says 100,000 people at one demo)

                 And there were some big Rock Against Racism gigs, with performers like Elvis Costello, The Clash, X-Ray Specs, and George Michael (at a time when the Wham boys were considered to be superficial airheads.)

                 Ah, I see where the name “Love Aotearoa, hate racism” comes from. I see the wikipedia article says RAR was reborn in 2002 as “Love Music, hate racism”.

                 Music can be a great source of inspiration and, done well, can bring people together in a positive way.
                 • adam …

                   29 July 2018 at 9:22 pm

                   Your commentCarolyn_Nth brings up my main problem with this discussion for the last couple of weeks. It’s been reactionary and negative, just like people coming from canada.

                   Rock against Racism is awesome, having anti-racism rallies is awesome. Feeding into the narrative that attention seeking muppets are generating, is at best a waste of energy at worst, it just replicates them.

                   Organising a Rock against Racism concert would be better all round. Days of negative merry-go-rounds of “oh look they said such and such”, really help no one.

                   Bugger the haters.
                   • corodale …

                     30 July 2018 at 12:38 am

                     Are the police really than out of control? Not in NZ, a few casual racists, but NZ police would shut-down anything queer, in a flash. Army too, all good kids, just a bit wild. Anything like this negro shit happening in NZ would be fantasy, Middle Earth maybe…

                     Somehow writing this shit is beerable if you’re listening to Brian Eno or something smooth.
               • adam …

                 29 July 2018 at 9:13 pm

                 Where did I say anything to work with them? Sheesh McFlock that is really dishonest argument from you, a total misrepresentation of what I said.

                 I specifically said why bother with them, then went on to say organise with people for a better society.
                 • McFlock …

                   29 July 2018 at 9:19 pm

                   Oh sorry.I took the other people question to be the folk we were discussing rather than a complete change in topic.

                   I can work with a third party while opposing fascists. It’s not my full day.
6. corodale 6

   29 July 2018 at 9:57 am

   Yeah, every time ya go to read the news, ya have open a private search window. They have thrown the informed down like porn junkies.
   But if the Brits ever really looked like losing there good sense of humour, Prince Harry would step in, rest assured.
7. greywarshark 7

   29 July 2018 at 10:05 am

   Australian news about media. Nine is the magic number there which has been enabled by long ago wiping of controls on joint ownership of different types of media. Now Fairfax has gone and that name wlll be seen no more apparently.

   NZ was mentioned in a large document covering the sale/transfer in two sentences at the beginning. They are also planning to get rid of regional newspapers over there. (Let’s face it we are regional also to them.) It is expected that entertainment, gossip and candy floss stuff will be pre-eminent for 9 and no doubt politics Australian style, all bluster, venom and power-and-money first (with gossip and sensation feeding public interest and clicks!).

   Here Stuff in its digital reach is going to be of interest to some other owner (probably ME) and feel fairly confident about their future.

   There is talk about merger or sale or something with a private equity entity. NZ public should start investing in a financial trust of integrity that holds sufficient funds to buy up base infrastructure and business that is in danger of passing into foreign predatory hands. I know we have Kiwisaver but that has a different role.

   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018655484/takeover-terminates-trans-tasman-media-titan
   Mediawatch 30.30 mins

   Mediawatch also includes coverage about disagreement emotional skewing about babies and pods that the manufacturer ofthem wants to gift and showcase at the ame time. Very interesting. Today, once someone with a business or craze wants to develop it, they have the right to utilise or wipe out anything that is valued by people in the relevant area they want to utilise.

   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018654971/grandstanding-on-the-big-gig-stadium-stoush

   Image caption: Sir Ray Avery on Newshub Nation earlier this month, accusing Helen Clark of grandstanding Actually the ‘grandstanding’ is a pun which he might not be aware of, along with other insensitivities.

   (These days people get knighthoods for being thrusting, determined capitalists, and when you see Sir or Dame you know there is an 80/20 chance that they are people to regard warily.)
   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018655684/mediawatch-for-29-july-2018
8. greywarshark 8

   29 July 2018 at 12:54 pm

   Radionz on Wallace this morning – good stuff.

   Encouraging stuff to listen to. Especially the street choir which is a bridge to the future of what many can do in their periods between unemployment instead of falling between the cracks, and they will make music.

   We can take up the mouthy powers-that-be who talked up how good it would be when technology took away the boring repetitive jobs, Which of course left us with nothing but kicks in the bum for being unemployed. The Auckland Street Choir is doing something uplifting. This is the sort of activity that can truly take place after being enabled by the technology doing the grunt work. That is the way we were going to develop so let’s advance this. We can have music wherever we go from the tech-outed now unemployed. And respect these great, creative people who know what aroha is, and we can learn the meaning of the Maori word ‘awhi’.

   And be able to start up small local businesses and not be smothered by big-business centred extreme health and safety barriers and middle class perceptions of ‘best practice’. Let us do what we can to get by at a reasonable standard, which is watched over and held to.
   Making ice cream for instance.
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   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018655692/miss-tubs-school-students-kiwiana-ice-cream-business
   11:04 Miss Tubs: school students’ Kiwiana ice-cream business
   Caitlin Goodin, Charlotte Houten and Eda Ye in RNZ.

   Caitlin Goodin, Lillie Cripps, Eda Ye, Victoria Roebuck and Charlotte Houten won the Excellence in Food and Beverage award at the Lion Foundation Young Enterprise regional awards.

   Pumpin Pineapple
   Jaffa Junkie
   Pav Lover
   Tasting success

   Left to Right: Caitlin Goodin, Charlotte Houten, Victoria Roebuck, Lillie Cripps, Eda Ye (Harrison Bell absent).
   Testing their wares
   Caitlin Goodin, Charlotte Houten, Wallace and Eda Ye

   It’s the last day of the Auckland Food Show on Sunday and a group of young college students are taking their cool food product to market. The six students, five from Westlake Girls High School on Auckland’s North Shore and one from Westlake Boys, have been making ice-cream in tubs for the past couple of years, after setting up a business as part of an extra-curricular project. It’s called Miss Tubs and the flavours they make are Jaffa Junkie, Pumpin Pineapple and the newly released Pav-lover. Miss Tubs CEO Caitlin Goodin, marketing manager Charlotte Houten and communications manager Eda Ye explain why they set it up and their plans.

   11:26 Rohan MacMahon: how the Auckland street choir changes lives
   Auckland Street Choir with founder and music director Rohan MacMahon front right.
   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018655693/rohan-macmahon-how-the-auckland-street-choir-changes-lives
   Auckland Street Choir with founder and music director Rohan MacMahon front right. Photo: RNZ

   Most of us live our lives without contact with the homeless and marginalised in society. We might pass each other in the street, or throw a couple of coins in the hat. But the Auckland Street Choir is that rare thing: a project where people from profoundly different worlds work together. Auckland Street Choir founder and musical director Rohan MacMahon and some of the choir’s members, including Rawiri Sears-Ngatai, come into the RNZ studio.
9. greywarshark 9

   29 July 2018 at 12:59 pm

   Some sweet music farcapella? from the people over the seas.

   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018655693/rohan-macmahon-how-the-auckland-street-choir-changes-lives
10. greywarshark 10

    29 July 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Some sweet music arcapella? from the people from over the seas.

    Nordic polska
    
11. Robert Guyton 11

    29 July 2018 at 1:18 pm

    An idiot once said:
    “In the west we’re all about altering nature, because nature sucks.”
12. SPC 12

    29 July 2018 at 2:44 pm

    A wide ranging look at Syria, its internal future, and how Russia is managing the international politics (investment in Iran’s energy sector while limiting their role in Syria).

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/white-helmets-syria-civil-war-rebels-army-assad-trump-putin-a8465066.html
13. bwaghorn 13

    29 July 2018 at 4:37 pm

    Why oh why are our heavy weight boxers such top blokes . You can be trained to perfection but if you havent got the arrogant self belief you will never beat a guy who pulled a bullet out of his own leg
14. adam 14

    29 July 2018 at 4:38 pm

    “Finally, the indictment seeks the forfeiture of property involved in the criminal activity. There’s no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There’s no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result.”

    So the full speech from Rod Rosenstein has this little gem or nugget in it.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/17568838/mueller-rosenstein-russian-hacking-election-dnc-transcript-indictment-announcement

    I’m beginning to wonder if we all been taken for a ride whilst the GOP and trump hack and slash what is left of US social services, and plunge their economy full tilt into a war economy.

    It’s the lies that hurt.
    • joe90 14.1

      29 July 2018 at 5:07 pm

      And since his statement, a woman has been charged with acting as a Russian agent and top NRA officials along with numerous political figures have been implicated, an ongoing probe into whether or not foreign monies were fed to Republican candidates via the NRA has just gotten way juicier, and tRump’s former lawyer has only just begun to sing.
      • adam 14.1.1

        29 July 2018 at 5:22 pm

        She’s a Russian. So still no yanks. I’m still dubious and what your suggesting is more of the same we have had since trump was elected, lots of allegations – bugger all substance. Reading Vox on it, this is somthing that been happening for years. The sucking up to the NRA, that is.

        https://www.vox.com/2018/7/19/17581354/maria-butina-russia-nra-trump
        • joe90 14.1.1.1

          29 July 2018 at 5:39 pm

          If as previously alleged, the NRA has been used to funnel offshore money to the tRump campaign, dollars to donuts there will be American neck deep in the scheme.
          • adam 14.1.1.1.1

            29 July 2018 at 7:14 pm

            I’m not going to hold my breath, still to many alligations and not enough substance. I hope it gets the whole campaign, otherwise it’s going to be pence time, and I think that will be worse.

            That said, still think we being played – so more evil shenanigans comes from the GOP. Like this.

            https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/05/ron-wyden/do-republicans-congress-want-take-away-social-secu/

            http://www.thestand.org/2018/06/gop-targets-social-security-medicaid-for-cuts/
            • McFlock 14.1.1.1.1.1

              29 July 2018 at 7:22 pm

              We won’t see trump resign or be impeached by this. The first requires him to have shame or honour, the second requires the same of the repugs in both houses. A Pence presidency is a very low probability.

              At best he’s a one-termer and his replacement doesn’t pardon him. Then Trump is open to federal charges if they happen.

              If he gets a federal pardon, New York State might have some hard questions for him.

              But he could always walk away scott-free, even if everyone around him gets done for a variety of charges.
              • adam …

                29 July 2018 at 9:29 pm

                I hope you’re right about pence, he gives me nightmares. Especially after his visit to the middle east, and then that speech in Jerusalem.

                Burrr.

                https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/full-text-u-s-vice-president-mike-pence-s-speech-at-the-knesset-1.5751264
                • McFlock …

                  29 July 2018 at 9:42 pm

                  The phrase “American Taliban” comes to mind
            • McFlock 14.1.1.1.1.2

              29 July 2018 at 7:31 pm

              As for the GOP evildoing, I think Paul Ryan (at least him) is on record openly hoping the medicaid and federal assistance can be rolled back to pre-FDR levels. As in, literally used the New Deal as being too much big government.

              They don’t want to trim the programme. They want it all repealed.
              • adam …

                29 July 2018 at 9:24 pm

                Yeap, trump is a distraction.

                For some truly nasty crap from these people.
15. Robert Guyton 15

    29 July 2018 at 7:55 pm

    A big shout out to every parent I’ve ever met!
    She’s good – she’s really good!

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-jacinda-ardern-rocks-baby-neve-she-gives-update-ahead-return-parliament?auto=5815181839001
16. joe90 16

    29 July 2018 at 8:36 pm

    At 1.06 a woman hands a migrant a what looks like a bottle of water, and he legs it into the dunes. Decency and humanity live.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjIQug-XoAEDnyN.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjIXwH8X0AEXl9W.jpg

    Spain. Dozens of migrants filmed on the beach in southern Spain on Friday. A group of more than 30 migrants land in a boat, after which sprint escapes to the forests surrounding the beach to avoid prosecution by the Spanish border guards. VIDEO! pic.twitter.com/MRo8uMOZDT— Mag (@czarymarybum777) July 28, 2018
17. Robert Guyton 17

    29 July 2018 at 11:53 pm

    “I’m pleased to inform members and supporters that there has been a significantly
    positive response to my offer to support a political party that continues to promote
    the policy manifesto that The Opportunities Party assembled to contest the 2017
    election.

    The Board, therefore, has decided to put on hold its plan to deregister TOP as a
    political party to give us time to evaluate the responses and specifically to
    evaluate how TOP may evolve as a political party.

    In order that TOP is given the best chance of continuing, it’s imperative that we
    successfully hold our AGM on Monday July 30th. To this end the Board has changed the
    quorum rule for the AGM from a minimum of 50 members to 20 members and if this is
    not achieved the quorum for the subsequent adjourned meeting from 25 members to 10
    members.

    We expect to be in a position to announce the results of our deliberations over the
    future of the Party during August.”
18. eco maori 18

    30 July 2018 at 8:11 am

    Good evening The Am Show I’m working for my favorite charity over the last week
    my condolences go out to the Aussie farmers going through drought at the minuet
    The problem is the banker is your best friend but when one needs there help the most I.E the farmers going through hardship they run and hide farmers are hard workers and deserve our help when in times of extreme weather events thats bankers for you.
    I see bridges try to have another kick at that old horse this morning the unemployed stats its time to talk about universal wage this way kiwis only get this I.E resident for 6 years and they could afford to work for $ 16.50 and be better off.
    What no one is talking about is one of our biggest exports cash how many billions of cash is exported out of our economy because of the system we have of importing Labour just because business want there profits over whats best for Aotearoa with a unervisal wage they business get there cake and Aotearoa.
    Julian Dennison brother has the correct political ambitions a young Labour member
    they are intelligent moko’s.
    The dentist industry needs a over haul it’s way to expensive the dentist have to much control of there market this is the only reason it cost so much for dental care in
    Aotearoa at the minuet. Ka kite ano P.S Eco Maori charity is whano
19. eco maori 19

    30 July 2018 at 6:52 pm

    Good evening Newshub There you go national and dairy dack dune thats what you do to a poison that kill’s people you don’t make it leagle to kill people you ban it and jail the suppliers ka pai Winston Peters .
    It makes amazes Eco Maori we have a alcohol problem that cost us in peoples lives and heaps of resources and we go HOW DO WE FIX THIS PROBLEM .
    Its quite easy no sales of alcohol after 8 pm no sales in shops that are not bottle stores and brand it with the brand it deserves as a killer of people and ignore the alcohol lobbing group.
    Its the same with sugar everyone is saying we have a obesity problem people are dying from this stuff but because two main company’s control the sugar market and have the influence to lobbie for there sugar poison not to be taxed out of reach from the poor common person that’s reality money man wins.
    The Auckland city mission patients have dubbled since 2008 and this is on of the reason one reason Eco Maori rains his wrath on the national party who thinks its ok to die on Aotearoa streets while you are sipping your fine wine with out blinking Capitalist that’s WHO.
    That fight should have been a draw what example does boxing set for the mokopunas
    that if you cheat you win Kevin don’t go talking ——- Joe get people who you can trust to manage your future and you will be fine if it was not for that head but you would have won . Ka kite ano P.S we are getting Rain Ingred it was a beautiful day today
20. eco maori 20

    30 July 2018 at 7:53 pm

    This is the reality of what the Capitalist have dished out to Tangata Whenua
    Labour has tryed to stop the facial capitalist from doing serving Tangata Whenua this ———–system ka kite ano

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/29/169208/deafening-silence-on-racial-wealth-gap

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/29/socialism-no-longer-dirty-word-us-scary-for-some these people —————-this show’s Eco Maori that to much money ———your reality SO MAXIMUM EARNING will cure this illness Ana to kai I agree with Draco T basted words

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