Open Mike 29/08/2018

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1. Ed 1

   29 August 2018 at 6:07 am

   Landlords like this need to be taken to court.
   And sentenced.
   Severely.

   Their land and properties should be confiscated.
   And used to benefit those they have exploited.

   Then the message would get out that this government means business.

   “Papakura family are living in a cold, damp “undrained swamp” of a home, and they say their landlord is refusing to fix it.
   Dawn Robbie lives at the Papakura property with her partner and two daughters, 3 and 10 months old, and said they were constantly sick because of a pond of water under the house.
   The basement of the property was completely flooded, and was littered with bits of underfloor insulation and rubbish, filling the house above it with condensation, she told the Herald.
   “This is under our whole house, how is this okay?” Robbie said.”

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114555
   • SaveNZ 1.1

     29 August 2018 at 9:27 am

     I had a house like that that had water underneath. After a lot of investigation it was deemed to be the neighbours leaking water pipe feed into their house. Contacted the neighbour and there was some sort of dispute over responsibility as water care were saying it was the neighbours responsibility. (Even though it looked like under the pavement). Eventually water care fixed it and it only took a few hours. Anything to do with combined water is a nightmare because nobody wants to do anything about it!

     For anyone who has this issue, I got a decent plumber in and they gave great advice but it was a long process to work out who had the leaks and then to get that person to fix them. You also have to check roof and downpipes.

     After fixing leak, insulate the underfloor, put in a heat pump (un vented gas heating will be adding to condensation. Heat pumps are best for also condensation, plus are generally cheaper sources of electricity).

     Also this was on Fair go, they recommend to put black polythene on the floor underneath your house, this is a cheap way to avoid raising damp.

     If they do all that they should avoid raising damp.

     (I put this in, because raising damp seems to be a very common problem in NZ because we have older houses and often on clay and they never levelled the soil underneath in the old days! It is not just one fix, but multiple fixes needed and it took us around 3 months to solve the problem and we were lucky that it was even solved as the source of water leak was not our responsibility and we relied on others to do the right thing).
     • greywarshark 1.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 10:56 am

       I had problem from neighbour’s water. There always was some drainage after ‘rain events’ that came into my basement room but it went on. Was it mine, I dreaded a bill. hoped not. Finally rang the Council and asked if they could look at it. I had to get a plumber in to check the possible source. Council sent someone with a listening device that could pick up water flow, looked here and there. I told him my theory and he listened and traced it to a burst pipe on the neighbour’s property.

       The people who had built the two units on a shared section had put the pipe from the road connection into the garden of the front house with a short run to their meter, but from inside the fence a joint and a long pipe leading to the meter for the back unit. That went through the garden of the front property. It should have gone along the boundary and down the driveway side to the back. Unmetered water had been leaking out from this long stretch of pipe, gradually increasing in flow.

       Council required the two properties to bring the plumbing to proper standard and place at their own expense. Problem fixed. Public water saved, and I agree with Council metering at reasonable cost; but not private companies.

       There were interesting faults that showed up.
       1 The Council when agreeing to the development plan did not demand the developers and builders of the properties site the water supply in the right, most suitable place. I was told they don’t specify this. Surprising.
       2 The piping that was used was the wrong specification for outdoor use, not strong enough and indeed there was a lot of grey plasticy stuff used in the 80’s
       that burst indoors leading to water damage and expensive replacement.
       3 Once found the Council took a peremptory, threatening approach in their communication, wanting immediate remediation and I objected to them about this, as one of the owners is in her 80’s and the other was not well.
       4 The reason that I knew about their approach was that they sent the letter to me as if I was one of the owners responsible. I was the person receiving the water on my property who had reported the fault. They corrected their mistake, but I noticed the abrupt way that authorities may treat people when they have powers to do so, which in this case seemed like a routine approach.
       • SaveNZ 1.1.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 12:34 pm

         Yes, the councils/water care/vector need to take a much lighter and more collaborative approach when there is a problem like that. It tends to be much easier if the council can solve it, and then decide responsibility and ask for payment later if it is not them!

         Councils also do not allow enough scrutiny to developers and their subcontractors like drainage people to rectify things and warranty their workmanship and job for enough time aka they should have guarantee for 10 years and the council can claim any repairs from them if their work doesn’t last and a log of every person who worked on site, kept on council records if there are issues later.

         Saying that, blow me down on doing a good job, Vector/vectors subcontractors who have always been appalling in the past, during the storms that took out Auckland power at the beginning of the year were very helpful and actually cut down a branch on private land on the lines to get my power on without creating a massive problem by refusing to do anything.

         I was expecting the worst and multiple parties and a complete night mare scenario, but they disconnected the power, cut the branch and reconnected within a short period of time. I was amazed, it really helps if during a crisis people try to get the job done without trying to find ways not to do anything! P.S. Vector AP does not work to report faults, had to wait over 1 hours to call them, but they got the job done.
         • dukeofurl 1.1.1.1.1

           29 August 2018 at 1:34 pm

           The trouble with that is once its crossed the boundary its at your risk, just like your windows or doors.
           The original plan would just show lines on a plan, which may not be the actual location.
           The only part that is checked for actual quality and if it works is the pipes leading out – the sewage. You can see why as the health hazard is through the roof if there is a leak. But again if its on private property its the owners/tenants look out.
           • SaveNZ 1.1.1.1.1.1

             29 August 2018 at 2:06 pm

             Yes, but my point is, the council approved the pipes in the first place and presumably a qualified contractor did the work to get it signed off – they should be responsible because the home owner can’t see under the ground and check the job but seem to have all the risk put on them! Unless it is just a really old house, old pipes then it should be the homeowner. Sometimes it’s communal pipes passing through and then it makes more sense to have the council deal with it as it effects the neighbours.

             Who knows if this is the case in this house, as maybe un consented work, but the council should help the home owner correct it in the first instance and then work out who pays.

             As for vector they seem to be happy to charge the line rental but they don’t always pay for line issues, even when nothing to do with home owner, aka paid their line rentals, have natural disaster but then somehow Vector can walk away? That is why there is chaos when ever there is a storm in Auckland, they don’t seem to spend enough of the line charges on having the people and respond straight away to fix stuff – of course all line rentals pass through onto private land! Luckily in my case they just got the power on!
             • dukeofurl …

               29 August 2018 at 2:34 pm

               Line rental for vector is only to the pole in the street, from there to your house is not included in ‘line rental’.
               Your understanding is incorrect, plain and simple. As for natural disaster when there are 20,000 calls you have to prioritise as there isnt enough people qualified to fix all the problems inside 6 weeks.
               This was all covered before . There is no magic wand to fix stuff when a disaster strikes.
               I remember once telecom used to have a maintenance charge per month , something like 40c that was specifically for house wiring. That meant they could check the connection from pole to the phone plug at no extra charge.

               Its important to know for what you are covered. It seems like you are assuming stuff that isnt there.

               The Council isnt not interested in your roof if it leaks or if the pipes leak.
               Im not trying to knock you over this , but its the way it is.
               The checking that is done during building consent site checks is structural area mostly, plus the plumbing inspector which is mostly focused on the SW and sewage is correct.
               • SaveNZ …

                 29 August 2018 at 3:07 pm

                 the point is while it might be great for Vectors bottom line, it is often completely unfeasible for the home owner to fix the wire! For a start if something falls on it in the “wrong’ place, then you need to get vector to disconnect before anyone can work on it and then reconnect – which is twice as much work and requires multiple people and coordination. How many homeowners do you know with cheery pickers at their disposal and lines knowledge. NZ user pays have created a disastrous piecemeal system for any thing to do with construction, and it shows, very expensive construction, chaos when there is a storm and every bodies lights go out.
   • Jimmy 1.2

     29 August 2018 at 2:42 pm

     Some people should not be allowed to be landlords
     • Ed 1.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 4:58 pm

       Yes.
2. Ed 2

   29 August 2018 at 6:13 am

   News you won’t hear in the Herald……

   Apparently, the German government is considering emergency financial help for Turkey. It is worried that a massive Turkish economic crisis could destabilise the region.
   • greywarshark 2.1

     29 August 2018 at 11:18 am

     I noticed interesting headlines on Turkey and money some time ago.

     https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/germany-us-heiko-maas/568129/ 22 Aug 18
     Germany’s Foreign Minister Just Proposed a Way to Skirt U.S. Sanctions
     It’s not clear Angela Merkel agrees—but she’s also worried about America.

     https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/defending-iran-deal-germany-looks-to-bypass-us-payment-channels.html 22 Aug 18
     (You probably know what CNBC is, they don’t elucidate, I guess Canadian National Broadcasting Corporation? I could look up but why should I have to. Entities talking in acronym jargon again; the most important information, the name is not given, insiders know, and others don’t count. RNZ is another example.)

     http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/398781-sleepwalking-toward-a-us-germany-trade-war 25 July 18

     https://www.rt.com/business/427177-who-why-dumping-us-dollar/ 19 May 18

     Crypotocurrency
     10 Aug 18
     https://www.coindesk.com/turkey-crypto-exchanges-bitcoin-lira/
     4July 2018
     https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/07/04/report-18-of-people-in-turkey-own-crypto-compared-to-8-in-the-us/
     11 Jan 2018
     https://medium.com/dether/the-world-of-cryptocurrency-in-turkey-1e6c5cd5575d
   • Draco T Bastard 2.2

     29 August 2018 at 12:01 pm

     As Turkey Teeters, Germany Considers Offering a Financial Lifeline
     Germany not considering financial aid for Turkey: German official

     Which to believe.
     • Dennis Frank 2.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 12:40 pm

       🙂 Yeah, German government or Wall St reporter, um, ah, er, gosh, that’s a tough one…
       • dukeofurl 2.2.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 2:35 pm

         Wall St would be looking to protect its loan book to Turkey, thats why they are pushing that story
3. Ed 3

   29 August 2018 at 6:16 am

   News you won’t read in the Herald today….

   “National shame’: 147 Indigenous people die in custody in Australia in a decade

   Australia’s shocking treatment of Indigenous people has been laid bare with the publication of new figures by the Guardian showing 147 Indigenous people – some of them children – have died in custody in the past 10 years.
   Opposition parties have declared it a “national shame” and Aboriginal groups have demanded the government immediately allow independent monitoring of all detention centres, with Indigenous prisoners as the priority.
   Just 2.8% of the Australian population identifies as Indigenous. Yet Indigenous people make up 27% of the prison population, 22% of deaths in prison custody and 19% of deaths in police custody.”

   https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/28/national-shame-147-indigenous-people-die-in-custody-in-australia-in-a-decade
   • James 3.1

     29 August 2018 at 8:05 am

     You won’t read anything in the hearsld Ed. You may have forgotten you boycotted it ages ago.
     • reason 3.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 5:59 pm

       For more information on a shameful subject james could not give a stuff about …. http://johnpilger.com/videos/utopia-subtitled-version-

       http://johnpilger.com/videos/welcome-to-australia

       http://johnpilger.com/
4. corodale 4

   29 August 2018 at 6:36 am

   The Fault Lies In Our Stars, by Powell, Chair of US Fed

   “Navigating by the stars can sound straightforward. Guiding policy by the stars in practice, however, has been quite challenging of late because our best assessments of the location of the stars have been changing significantly.”

   (US stocks continue to grow, as the stars point to continued low interest rates)
   • Dennis Frank 4.1

     29 August 2018 at 7:01 am

     If the locations of the stars were changing significantly, time to get worried. The Fed Chair is a banker, so he must refer apparent locations rather than real as an astronomer or physicist would. But he actually said their assessments have been changing. Subjective opinions.

     So it’s a reference to map-reading. Deciding to look at the map differently. Either different eyes or different interpretations of the symbols & territory. So hermeneutics (not astrology).
     • corodale 4.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 7:52 am

       Yes, hermeneutics rather than economic pseudoscience as taught in schools. The new board might actually be visualising a more peaceful transition to a new currency.
5. Dennis Frank 5

   29 August 2018 at 7:32 am

   Excellent new political analysis of the waka-jumping legislation & implications from a Professor of Comparative Politics. “Whatever is wrong with the law, it is not ‘undemocratic’. The debate is between those who value democracy more and those who value individual liberties more”. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@politics/2018/08/27/211055/waka-jumping-bill-jack-vowles
   • AB 5.1

     29 August 2018 at 11:57 am

     Yes – although I am not completely comfortable with the waka-jumping bill, I think it provides important protection against the potentially corrosive effects of big money interfering in our democracy by trying to ‘turn’ MPs.
   • Draco T Bastard 5.2

     29 August 2018 at 12:25 pm

     That’s actually a good write-up that explains things well. We actually need the waka jumping bill to protect our democracy.
     • Bearded Git 5.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 12:41 pm

       +100
     • dukeofurl 5.2.2

       29 August 2018 at 1:36 pm

       The first party to use it might well be national when the find the name of the leaker
       • Draco T Bastard 5.2.2.1

         29 August 2018 at 1:44 pm

         Can you explain, using references to the legislation, how National would do that?
6. Adrian Thornton 6

   29 August 2018 at 8:40 am

   Bobby Seal talks about coalition politics and fighting the man, new interview from Democracy Now!…

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLPRDUbUptE
   • weston 6.1

     29 August 2018 at 7:20 pm

     thanks Adrian nice to know bobby seal still alive ! When i was a kid i bought a paper back edition of his book Seize the time from the local dairy .I was mightily impressed by him an the black panthers way back then ..so cool that that famous gagged scene in the courthouse still being talked about and now by the man himself .
7. Anne 7

   29 August 2018 at 10:50 am

   The report on the events at the Labour Party Youth camp has been released:

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115498

   They didn’t need to hire a lawyer to come up with those recommendations. They were common sense from the start.

   Back in the 1970s there was no youth division. We were all part of the general party scene. There were no alcohol issues… no violence or bullying… certainly no sexual harassment of which I was aware.

   I’m not – and never have been – a fan of the trend to divide the party into “identity” blocks. By all means let ‘birds of a feather flock together’ but don’t formalise it as Labour has done in recent decades. It gets used by the ambitious for personal gain and invariably there’s trouble further down the track.

   Yep, I’m out of step with majority opinion, but I’ve watched the inevitable ‘argy bargy’ play out from afar and will not be changing my mind.
   • Sacha 7.1

     29 August 2018 at 10:59 am

     Surely this is about unsupervised young people, not ‘identity blocs’ – I’ve never heard of similar problems with Pasifika, women’s or any other caucuses.

     Does the report say why both the youth organiser and attending MP were in bed by 9pm? Don’t entrust lightweights with the safety and wellbeing of others is one lesson.
     • Anne 7.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 11:18 am

       Surely this is about unsupervised young people,…

       That’s what I am saying. But it didn’t need an expensive report to tell them what needed to be done.

       The identity politics was an overall observation. And I was not referring so much to ethnic divisions.

       Of course like minded individuals and members who identify with one another are going to work and socialise together. That is to be applauded. But I think Labour went too far with the identity politics thing. It can create unnecessary division. My motto is… let it all happen naturally. There has been some good examples where equality occurred naturally within the party.
       • Sacha 7.1.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 11:42 am

         ‘Letting it all happen naturally’ gets us persistent disadvantage for the same social groups. Which again has nothing to do with unsupervised young people. And I agree Labour did not need a report to tell them that.
   • Draco T Bastard 7.2

     29 August 2018 at 12:31 pm

     Getting such a report is because of the emerging culture over the last few decades of getting an independent report as if doing an internal report simply won’t do. It’s why we now have government getting independent reports rather than just doing the reports themselves.

     Such independence costs a lot of money and produces a lot of profit.

     Personally, I prefer good methodology and peer-review. It shouldn’t matter who does the report.
     • Anne 7.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 1:12 pm

       +1
     • dukeofurl 7.2.2

       29 August 2018 at 1:41 pm

       Independent report is just whitewash.

       You will always find the the text of the independent report is rewritten to suit to person paying the bill.

       What they should really say is , an independent person is going to write a report and but we will approve the final wording.

       If the report finds their is no blame that will be highlighted if on the other side there are problems exposed , the wording will be fixed to lessen the impact.
     • Incognito 7.2.3

       29 August 2018 at 2:09 pm

       Peer review is costly too but it is (usually) not (always) the requestor who pays for it; the true cost tends to be hidden and moved elsewhere.
8. greywarshark 8

   29 August 2018 at 11:23 am

   Can any Standardista advise if they can use search to find their own or others’ comments? I can’t get anything except some post from 2014. Is it just my computer or have others also got that problem? I don’t log in but the system recognises me when I go to comment. Is logging necessary for searching?
   • Draco T Bastard 8.1

     29 August 2018 at 12:38 pm

     I always use Googe to search this site. Here’s a few handy tips on how to use Google (and many other search engines) better.

     As an example use the ‘site:’ function to limit the search to a particular site. If I wanted to search for all my comments here the search would be: site:thestandard.org.nz “draco t bastard”
     • greywarshark 8.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 1:09 pm

       Thanks DTB
       I have been advised to use other ways before but thought it was a temporary thing. But I will take a copy of yours and refer to it – it won’t be hard, but I just get sick of having to constantly learn stuff that is peripheral to getting on with things.

       Changeover for cellphone provider – have to go into town and identify myself. WTF – I think I could go for simple – Terry Pratchett’s clacks, I think they were called. They say what you don’t know can’t hurt you. On the basis that the less you hear about, the less you will worry in advance of it happening, or not happening. Hmmm?

       https://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2015/mar/17/terry-pratchetts-name-lives-on-in-the-clacks-with-hidden-web-code
       • dukeofurl 8.1.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 1:47 pm

         ” have to go into town and identify myself.”

         What . Are you running an ‘account’ type of plan? For everyone else on the pre pay plans, you just sign up online with your new provider- get a sim etc, and once online use the change over number option and away you go.
         Of course your previous pre pay plan lapses… no big deal as you have moved your number.

         Are you really sure you need a business style account ?
   • McFlock 8.2

     29 August 2018 at 1:19 pm

     Yeah I’ve been meaning to mention that, too. It looks like the search options are confined to “posts” no matter what boxes one ticks.

     That 2014 post comes up because you’re mentioned in the post itself.

     LPrent: I’m browsing with Firefox Quantum 61.0.2
     • greywarshark 8.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 1:27 pm

       Oh thanks McFlock I threw my hands up and didn’t enquire further. You are S.Holmes. Hope your SQRL or whatever you were grappling with, worked out.
       • McFlock 8.2.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 1:44 pm

         Yeah, getting there. SQL – used to look up databases.

         Trouble was that I was trying to mash data from two databases together when they had slightly different names for the many variables they had in common. Does me nut in sometimes…
9. chris73 9

   29 August 2018 at 11:29 am

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12114502

   Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed she spoke to Speaker Trevor Mallard last Friday before he announced the cancellation of the inquiry into leaked travel expenses but says their conversation was to advise her of his decision.

   “It was not a dialogue,” her spokesman said. “She did not have any input into the decision.”

   Why did he even speak to her about it, this is looking more and more like Labour have their grubby little hands all over this
   • Sacha 9.1

     29 August 2018 at 11:48 am

     Keep chugging that koolaid, Chris.
     • chris73 9.1.1

       29 August 2018 at 11:53 am

       So why did he speak to her if, and its looking like a shady if now, it supposedly is coming from within National
       • ianmac 9.1.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 12:05 pm

         Chris 73. The Speaker meets with many MPs. It would be very proper for the Speaker to inform the PM of matters affecting the operation of Parliament.
         Or do you think the Speaker should not talk to the PM – or the Leader of the Opposition?
         • chris73 9.1.1.1.1

           29 August 2018 at 12:17 pm

           Since it supposedly is coming from inside National then no there was no reason for Jacinda to get a heads up nor was there any reason to call off the inquiry when he did

           Well there was a reason of course but we’ll never know because Trevs looking out for his mates

           At least thats what its looking like
           • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.1.1.1

             29 August 2018 at 12:40 pm

             There was every reason to call off the inquiry. It wasn’t a public service issue.
             • chris73 …

               29 August 2018 at 12:45 pm

               “There was every reason to call off the inquiry.”

               I bet there was
               • Draco T Bastard …

                 29 August 2018 at 12:48 pm

                 Excluding your and National’s conspiracy theories of course.
               • Anne …

                 29 August 2018 at 1:14 pm

                 Go on… live your denial. I gave you credit for being a more credible rwnj than most. Seems I was wrong.
           • greywarshark 9.1.1.1.1.2

             29 August 2018 at 1:12 pm

             Standardistas should nurture you Chris 73. Their very own conspiracy theorist, every blog should have one, and see they get fed plenty of compost to keep them growing and flowering well. Not forgetting to keep them lightly pruned for best results.
   • Anne 9.2

     29 August 2018 at 12:41 pm

     What a load of bullshit c73.

     Mallard would have rung both the PM and the Leader of the Opposition and advised them he was cancelling the inquiry on the grounds it had been effectively confirmed by the police that the leaker was not from Parliamentary Services. That was the reason he was having the inquiry in the first place.

     Bridges knows full well why Mallard cancelled the inquiry and so do you. I suspect most people will see he’s trying to obfuscate for political gain – and so are you.
     • chris73 9.2.1

       29 August 2018 at 12:43 pm

       I want Trev to release what he knows, Trevs the person causing this problem
       • Draco T Bastard 9.2.1.1

         29 August 2018 at 12:49 pm

         No, it’s National and their sycophants causing this problem.
10. Tricledrown 10

    29 August 2018 at 11:59 am

    Chris 73 still lame shifting the blame.
    Listen to Simple Siomon’s speech pleading to protect the leaker’s identity
    Because of their fragile state of mental health.
    That throws the whole National caucus under the spotlight.
    • chris73 10.1

      29 August 2018 at 12:04 pm

      Yes so lets get the information out there so we all know exactly whats happening and not what Trevor Mallard thinks we should know
      • Fireblade 10.1.1

        29 August 2018 at 12:24 pm

        Don’t worry chris73, National have commissioned thier own investigation now, so all well be revealed. The National party are so honest, they wouldn’t cover anything up.

        Then again, Simon said the findings from the investigation may not be made public, so you may have to just keep guessing.
11. Stuart Munro 11

    29 August 2018 at 12:04 pm

    Park Geun He has been jailed for 24 years for corruption, and Lee Myun Bak is up next.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korean-ex-president-lee-myung-bak-indicted-for-corruption

    Time similar prosecutorial effort was devoted to corruption under the Key kleptocracy.
    • greywarshark 11.1

      29 August 2018 at 1:24 pm

      Cripes the country would fall apart. Isn’t it based on the old boys (and girls) network? They probably all have their well-heeled (and) toesies in the trough.
      • Stuart Munro 11.1.1

        29 August 2018 at 3:41 pm

        They’d be astonished how well the place would run without them.
12. joe90 12

    29 August 2018 at 1:31 pm

    Getting his despot on.

    US President Donald Trump has warned Google, Twitter and Facebook they are “treading on troubled territory” amid a row over perceived bias.

    He said they had to be “very careful”, after earlier accusing Google of rigging the search results for the phrase “Trump news”.

    An aide said the administration was “looking into” the issue of regulation.

    Google said its search engine set no political agenda and was not biased towards any political ideology.

    Speaking to reporters at the White House, Mr Trump said Google had “really taken a lot of advantage of a lot of people, it’s a very serious thing”.

    Adding the names of Facebook and Twitter, he said: “They better be careful, because you can’t do that to people… we have literally thousands of complaints coming in.”

    He gave no details of what action he might take.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45331210
13. SaveNZ 13

    29 August 2018 at 1:51 pm

    Good job – should be a 5 year ban and $50k fine!
    Funny how the ‘trainee manager’ was working close to minimum wages… what a joke for a “management” position!

    The employeers should not even be allowed to get work visas or sponsorship on that type of wage because it effectively means more tax payer money ‘sponsoring’ the employer through accomodation supplements, working for families and so forth.

    They used to employ students and unemployed for this type of job, now local unqualified people and students have no jobs to help get them into the workforce because employers prefer migrants who are more pliable and able to be exploited easier, and have the taxpayers and councils picking up the low worker subsidies as well as paying for the unemployed people in the area, who can’t get a job.

    Burger King banned from hiring migrant workers, placed on Employment NZ’s stand-down list for year

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12115610
    • dukeofurl 13.1

      29 August 2018 at 2:44 pm

      Its ‘new work visas’, It wont affect all their existing staff, highly likely they are mostly brought into NZ by Burger King on work visas specifically for their store.
      I imagine they still will employ new workers on student visas on casual basis but not for those 90 hr fourtnights
14. Grey Area 14

    29 August 2018 at 2:22 pm

    What a sad, bitter, irrelevant parody Hosking is.

    Why is government only there for the troubled, struggling and downtrodden? he asked yesterday while arguing that taxpayer dollars should be used to subsidise the All Blacks.

    Ummm…
    • dukeofurl 14.1

      29 August 2018 at 2:38 pm

      As if that was even true, that government existed only for downtrodden.
    • Macro 14.2

      29 August 2018 at 3:43 pm

      A society will be judged by how it treats its weakest members – Harry S. Truman
      Actually this sentiment is over 4000 years old and was first written by some unknown scribe in cuneiform – but I’m blessed if I can find the link to that now.
      Hosking just further demonstrates how uncivilised he truly is.
    • AB 14.3

      29 August 2018 at 5:46 pm

      Because if you have too many “troubled, struggling and downtrodden” it all gets a bit problematic for those who aren’t.
      Better to:
      a.) blame them for being “troubled, struggling and downtrodden” and call it a fancy name like ‘social investment’
      b.) throw them some minimal support in case they wander into the garden shed and dust the cobwebs of their granddads’ pitchforks
      c.) give Mikey H free rein to rant away at them over ZB or whatever other abomination he inhabits these days
    • North 14.4

      30 August 2018 at 9:45 am

      Ummm….because incessantly carping Maserati drivers and fine wine garglers are so fucking put upon and stretched to the fullest extent of their hubris, exceptionalist self-importance, and mock savoir-faire…. being as they are archetypal victims so oppressed by the weak….whom counter-intuitively are running the show apparently. Poor things.
15. Pat 15

    29 August 2018 at 2:38 pm

    “But generally the direction would be toward ‘a Keynesian world with planetary boundaries’: unique, autonomous economies and societies engaging in regulated international trade for specific reasons, such as food security, rather than for the sake of free trade as a principle. Individuals, organizations, and nations would approach the economy as a tool to enable a good life rather than as an end in itself.”

    https://www.interest.co.nz/news/95552/paper-un-sustainable-development-project-argues-why-and-how-ways-energy-transport-food

    It appears the Finn’s may be leading the way again.

    https://www.interest.co.nz/sites/default/files/embedded_images/bios-governance_of_economic_transition.pdf
16. Observer Tokoroa 16

    29 August 2018 at 3:02 pm

    Concerning
    Chris73

    If you have a few problems you should take them to the Police or the Salvation Army.

    They could take weight off your busy mind. They may even be able to get you to understand that there is a new Government in New Zealand now. And you won’t have to tell lies anymore.

    But don’t try and guess what the Speaker said. He will think you are quite sick indeed.

    All the best to you.

    PS: would you like to go on Simon’s next Hot ding a ding up and down the Country. ?
    • chris73 16.1

      29 August 2018 at 4:26 pm

      “But don’t try and guess what the Speaker said. He will think you are quite sick indeed.”

      You mean Trevor “even though I’m partially deaf I definitely heard something that no one else heard and I’m going to make a big deal about it and it just so happens to make National look bad” Mallard
      • pete 16.1.1

        30 August 2018 at 7:29 pm

        People might give you a hard time on here but I enjoy your contributions. Just about everything you say shows me that you are one of the absolute best reasons National is not the government. You make me happy.
17. Cynical Jester 17

    29 August 2018 at 3:40 pm

    https://theconversation.com/amp/poll-wrap-worst-reaction-to-midterm-pm-change-in-newspoll-history-contrary-polls-in-duttons-dickson-102186 looks more and more likely we’ll have labour governments on both sides of the tasman next year!
    • dukeofurl 17.1

      29 August 2018 at 5:12 pm

      yes.
      I was looking at the polling effects before the last election- when Turnbull bounced Abbott, their numbers went up and they were lucky to just win the election.

      This time its the other way round!
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Australian_federal_election#Opinion_polls

      It seems for those Mps who are both in marginal seats AND supporters of Turnbull they are bailing , by announcing they arent running again.

      I remember the results by electorate for the equal marriage referendum. The arch conservative Liberal Mps found their own electorates were largely in favour.
      Those urban electorates that opposed the question were more likely to be held by labour.
      The Tory Aussie Liberals have lost their marbles.
18. Robert Guyton 18

    29 August 2018 at 6:01 pm

    “reason to James”
    Classic!
19. eco moari 19

    30 August 2018 at 8:07 am

    Good Morning the am Show There you go budget cut’s to Civil Defense budget’s has been cut by the last government that tell’s me they did not even think they should have put more fund’s into Civil Defense to look after the tangata safety during a disaster with Climate change here and now.
    Those sales people have been prayring on innocent people for years is that not the neo capitalist way these people can smell a innocent person to rip off I rembmber one selling my grandmother one 40 years ago.
    Duncan don’t you think some thing stinks now we have gang problems that you are spinning out through a megaphone coincidentally when we have just had a review of the Justice system. I bet if the Motueka story was not spun out through the media there would not be a problem there now Einstein .
    Cars being keyed in Aotearoa is not that common not that I know of .
    Eco Maori started working hard chipping thistles catching opossums as well at 12 I have strived to try and build a maunga for my whano but what do you know the raciest sandfly’s decided that they are going to ——— with my business ——–with my job’s It’s hard enough in Aotearoa for tangata whenua let alone have there ——play Judge and jury with my life mean while look at what’s going down with the Christian church groups. I would have had money to pay for my mokopuna’s private health care that’s why I am pissed at there——muppet’s . Ka kite ano
20. eco moari 20

    30 August 2018 at 9:01 am

    Here you go some well behaved sandfly’s commited to protecting all the public
    Yea Right they have the same bullying culture all over Papatuanuku.
    Link below ka kite ano.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/29/arrest-warrant-leak-fuels-suspicions-of-far-right-links-with-german-police
21. eco moari 21

    30 August 2018 at 9:59 am

    Many thanks to California for there plan’s to be 100% carbon neutral by the year 2045
    Hawaii has the same goal’s to be carbon neutral by 2045
    With our other Pacific Island cousins Aotearoa should be setting them up to grow fruit and vegetables aimed at OUR off season for fruit and vegetables you know the old saying it is better to teach a person to fish than it is to give that person a fish this is the logical way to do things I’m not say don’t give AID I’m just saying lets do thing’s the smarter way . link below Ka kite ano.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/29/california-electricity-fossil-fuels-wind-solar-vote
22. eco moari 22

    30 August 2018 at 3:47 pm

    Here is a good story on one way to solve OUR housing problem but I say turn it up a bit and start SME based around OUR Marae link is below ka kite an

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/106628206/ive-found-the-solution-to-the-housing-crisis-and-its-been-here-all-along

    P.S te kumara never tell’s how sweet it is
23. eco moari 23

    30 August 2018 at 4:44 pm

    Human caused Global Climate Change is here and now watch out there’s a ad with shonky on it link below Ka kite ano

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-flood-is-coming1/
24. eco moari 24

    30 August 2018 at 6:46 pm

    Good evening Newshub Business people just have to get over there insecurity of a New Government and look at how they fared 10 years ago would they prefer that we had a government that denies climate change & does not care there mokopuna’s future.
    There you go another Justice system stuff up that boy dieing with a collapsed lung .
    That good revamping Civil defense of Aotearoa lucky we have finally got improvements.
    Aquaculture is were it’s at for Aotearoa future mapping the sound’s give’s fact’s so this industry can flourish.
    There you go the Doctors on the defense this system is set up so they are not liable for there stuff ups .One thing Eco Maori say’s is right is the Food we eat manufactured food is bad for us that is why cancer are rife obesity it’s all about the profit to these people . Ka kite ano
25. eco moari 25

    30 August 2018 at 7:18 pm

    Good evening The Crowd Goes Wild Mull’s & Makere Noline Taurua Couching the Silver Ferns all the best on your new challenge I’m sure you will do a fine Job ka pai enough said .
    Serena William’s has got back into top form after having a baby good on her .
    The guys in there togs a mull’s is that you Mulls on the cat walk good on them if you got it why not. What was that song Nice top Josh Ka kite ano P.S the mokopuna’s a its all about them
26. eco moari 26

    31 August 2018 at 8:50 am

    Good evening Newshub I warned the new Government MP that people will try there best to trip them up nothing will be out of bounds for the neo liberals supporters .
    We know that people have a hard time accepting a Wahine as a boss it will be even harder for her being Maori . They need support to carry out there role .I also said that you need to make sure the people you let in your team.
    I’m just going to sit on the fence with the Manning issue .
    It’s cool that we have more movies that Wahine are Staring in more movies Kate.
    Ka kite ano P.S The racing industry should go with these changes the time have changed so consolidation is needed to keep the industry profitable
27. eco moari 27

    31 August 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Here a intelligent way to lower our carbon foot print just by changing the way we drive this could easly be tested on one road . We have learned a lot off Papatuanuku and Tangaroa creatures and we still have a lot more to learn link below Ka kite ano

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12116513
28. eco moari 28

    31 August 2018 at 6:44 pm

    Good evening Newshub The 17 billion spend on Roads & Road safety will be good for the economy.
    Has simon forgot about there South Islands MP tod barclay issues with his team bill and shonky tryed to hide it he was one of bill protegee hypocrisy from national I quite like reminding them of this Labour has a higher standard that national .
    There you go Britain is going to ban energy drinks for the mokopunas they are going to vote on the age ban 16 /18 I bet that our youth are doing the same to.
    Well the Coffey guy should be able to sell what types of Coffey he likes .
    Thats innovation with the restocking of fish in America great rivers and lakes straight out of a fire fighting water plane.
    That sky diving story I was speechless its safe and indoors just huge fans lifting the people that will be a big sport soon.
    Ka kite ano P.S Nicky its been to hot that’s why the top seeds droped out of tennis
29. eco moari 29

    31 August 2018 at 7:17 pm

    The Crowd Goes Wild Wairangi & Hue The League will be awsome tonight 300 game’s
    Thats a cool story of you & Simon Wai
    Thats awsome for Tom Walsh ka pai
    The tennis was warm a Hue is that because of Climate change did you hear what the Samoan Prime Minister had to say on that subject ka pai E-hoa .
    West Auckland Ice Hockey team in the studio good win guys .
    Ka kite ano

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