Oxymorons

Written By: - Date published: 10:31 am, March 26th, 2010 - 29 comments
Categories: Conservation, Mining - Tags: ,

Key's compass

The Nats are flailing about desperately looking for an angle to convince Kiwis to trash their country and their heritage for 30 pieces of silver. Actually, only 1% of 30 pieces. Maybe it’s only 10 pieces – Gerry isn’t really sure. Anyway, one of the daftest lines yet appeared – briefly – as a headliner on The Herald site yesterday:

Brownlee: Mining seen as ‘green industry’ by some

Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee says mining is an ongoing industry in other countries considered green, dismissing claims that New Zealand’s green credentials will take a big hit if schedule four land is opened to mining.

Got that punters? Mining is considered green. By “some”. Who exactly? Gerry didn’t say. I don’t know any of these people. I don’t think The Economist knows them either. Perhaps some reporter will get around to asking Gerry to elaborate.

Here are some further questions for the Nats. Our last PM was famous for her love of the outdoors. Has Key ever set foot in our National Parks? Has he ever been more than 100m from the road? Has he ever tramped one of our Great Walks? Has Brownlee? Can either of them use a map and compass? Do these people have any understanding or appreciation of the wonders that they are so eager to desecrate (for so uncertain and so small a return)?

I think that the answers are no. Only ignorance could breed this government of oxymorons. Mining is green. North is South (that explains the tax cuts). Discrimination is fair and reasonable. Three strikes will reduce crime. National standards will improve education. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Well — I don’t think that lies and spin will do it for them this time. In proposing to pillage our National Parks they have cut too close to the bone of the Kiwi psyche. Most of us can see the bullshit that the Nats are spouting for what it is. Most of us know which end of a compass is up.

29 comments on “Oxymorons”

  1. tc 1

    Long may this line of pretzel logic continue from browncoal and crew….excellent.

  2. prism 2

    Browncoal is good – what about Browneel, slippery as a rugby player on the run with the golden goose under his arm instead of a ball.

  3. Bored 3

    Rob, I beg to differ “Most of us can see the bullshit that the Nats are spouting for what it is”….look at the polls. Sad really is it not?

    • r0b 3.1

      My comment was with respect to this particular issue – mining.

      I agree that in general we are still buying the Nats lines and Key’s smile and wave vacuity. But don’t worry, and don’t mind the polls. Individual issues like this mining fiasco, and the Supercity fiasco, they all add up, and eventually they take their toll…

      • Bored 3.1.1

        Im with you, just wanted to get a dig at a bigger problem…..general indifference to the things that are important.

        • r0b 3.1.1.1

          That – that I can’t explain. Wish I could.

          • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1.1.1

            People are disconnected from their community. They feel powerless within it. This is the result of Individualism/Capitalism and the pushing of the nuclear family rather than the more natural extended family.

    • Jenny 3.2

      Bored try not to lose heart, MSM advertisers often cynically like to claim: “Public opinion is a manufactured product”.

      But today we have the internet and the alternative media to inform us as well.

      The polls will change, especially if the Nats strike any real hard opposition from the environmental protesters or the union movement, or even democracy protesters against the Super City.

    • Jenny 3.3

      Bored try not to lose heart at the polls. Though MSM advertisers cynically like to claim: “Public opinion is a manufactured product”, this is only true up to a point.

      The polls will change, if the Nats come up against hard opposition in the ‘real world’ outside of the control of the marketers, spin doctors and public relations experts and image makers.

      The possible stress fracture points where open organised opposition to the Nats could break out and damage their dream run are building up.

      Here are just a few:

      The possibility of organised anti-mining environmental protests, if the governement persist in their plan to open up National Parks to prospectors and mining.

      Threatened strikes in the health sector against the wage freeze and layoffs, and cuts in services in the other parts of the public sector.

      As a result of the blatant attack on democracy in the Super City, there is a very real possibility of protests from the public and/or strikes by council employees if the unelected managers imposed on Auckland by Rodney Hide, dare without any mandate to impose cuts in services, or enforce user pays, or layoffs, or privatisation of council assets.

      Any of these disputes could blow up in Key’s face, it is only a matter of time.

      The down side is, Key will be counting on the lag time before organised protest against these policies break out, to get him past next year’s elections.

      Therefore it is a race against time for the left, to be able to shift the polls against National, in the meantime we should be should be supporting the spark of any opposition to the Nats policies that do break out.

      To this end I think that the immediate project the left could take up, is to get fully behind the Unite Union’s campaign for a referendum on the minimum wage.

      At this stage with only a limited pool of fifty volunteer Unite Union members the petition looks likely to fail to meet the required deadline.

      However if every LEC and affiliated union decided to organise their own stalls and collect names for this petition as well, it is still possible that the deadline could be met.

      If a referendum was held on this issue, polls show that 60% of the population would support the premise, that the minimum wage should be raised to $15.

      This would be a serious blow to the government’s image because of course, being torys they will expose themselves to the electorate by ignoring the referendum result.

  4. Mining is a green activity. Unbelievable.

    R0b’s headline is an oxy away from being right …

  5. tc 5

    You’ll find it’s a green activity just like overfarming/1080 drops/roads etc….then he wakes up.

  6. Provocative post. Well and wittily done.

  7. randal 7

    yes indeed. John Key must decide whether he wants to go down in history or just be a flash in the pan.
    his troops are trying every trick in the book because they suspect that he doesnt really have the desire for the long haul.
    and I wouldnt blame him for that either.
    thats why they are making so much noise but they have seriously misread the mood of the country and while they are riding high at the moment they do rememeber the sonthe harder they come the harder they fall.

    • Stacktwo 7.1

      I think he’s going to go down in the pan – and I don’t think he’ll look too flash in history either.

  8. JB 8

    I think you’ve misinterpreted this.

    What he said was that other countries that mine are considered green, not that mining is considered green.

    • r0b 8.1

      The headline reads – “Brownlee: Mining seen as ‘green industry’ by some”

      • Bill 8.1.1

        But it is a green industry. It must be, because the government itself is right up there on matters of conservation and outrage when idiots ride roughshod over our conservation sensibilities.

        Just witness Wilkinson on the Norwegian tourists who pinged various birds and whatnot on their recent visit here. She is seeking to go to the ends of the earth…almost literally… to pull them to account. She also thinks the skink smugglers got a sentence that was way too light.

        You see the big picture and the beautiful weaving of a tale here? Tough on crime. Passionate defenders of NZ flora and fauna. Not only that, but the emotive youtube nonsense is dutifully shoved into our livingrooms by the TV news.

        Meanwhile. Mining. It’s green! Objections are emotive and therefore discountable say Nact.

        And then sadly, Metiria Turei played right into the Nacts hands yesterday on student radio, when instead of claiming the right to be intelligent and passionate, she emotively denied that objections to mining are emotive. Repeatedly! So, the only people who are passionate about conservation matters are….drumroll….Nact.

        Question. When are well meaning politicians going to wake up to the cynicism of their environment and get some basic fucking media training on how to subvert your opponents message and elevate your own? The right are getting a free ride. More than that, instances like Metiria’s performance yesterday leave me with images of the Greens and whoever running behind the Nact bike holding the saddle to make sure they don’t lose their balance. And they’re oblivious to the fact that they’re even doing it.

  9. Ianmac 9

    The Govt guys are not stupid. Some have been around for a long time. I fear that the mining/beneficiary debate is not an accident. If not an accident then what?

  10. JAS 10

    Have to agree with you there Ianmac, it rings alarm bells for me as to what this publicity is designed to hide.

    • mcflock 10.1

      maybe they’re hoping that if they threaten a clusterf%&k of half a dozen simultaneous issues, they’ll look magnanimous when they only stuff up three of them this year.

      Look at Great Barrier: they’ll make a wonderful concession to nature there, and the West Coast mining will go ahead. Start with a high price so it looks like they’ve haggled you down, sort of thing.

  11. Dig 11

    apparently john key is planning to open the new hut at mount angelus in the nelson lakes national park on the 21st of next month. but hes probably just doing it for the tax payer funded chopper ride.

    • uke 11.1

      It’s a steep and sweaty climb up to Lake Angelus. Can’t imagine Key would risk popping a heart valve.

  12. rocket 12

    John might ride up there in a 100t digger, a few test holes on the way might strike it rich …..could be billions up there ……well maybe a million hahahaha

    • Mac1 12.1

      There was a plan/idea to dig a tunnel under the massif of which Angelus is a part to divert the waters of Lake Rotoiti before it becomes the Buller River into Lake Rotoroa, some 600 feet lower, through an hydro-electric dam and then from Rotoroa into the Matukituki through another tunnel, all in order to generate untold amounts of electric power.

      National Park? That didn’t seem to worry the proposers of the idea.

      So John with his digger is not too far fetched. A bit high for the National Cycleway, though as an idea it was away in the clouds, too, come to think of it.

  13. eye saw 13

    while all this was going on the warrantless search and surveillence law and the national assessments bureau were quietly introduced.
    behind the smokescreen.
    when alarm bells ring.

  14. richgraham 14

    I used to be a miner – mined coal on the West Coast, and copper in Canada. You people writing in to this posting are quite ignorant. You clearly know little about mining, and seem resolutely opposed to it. I think you need a time out – here are some questions for you to consider and research –
    1. the NZ Labour Party began at Blackball, a gold and coal mining township. There is still mining going on in the area – coal and gold – and the miners are probably union members (I was). So, what do you say to those good solid NZers who live by mining – that you are opposed to what they do ?
    2. The miners at Pyke Creek coal mine, mining under a National Park, approved by NZ Labour government – are you going to shut that mine down ?
    I suggest you people are poisoning your own nest, and poisoning the Labour Party’s future prospects. We need mining, for all the good things it produces, for the employment it provides, it is a fundamental part of our civilization and it is not going away, ever. There are some very exciting prospects for our future in NZ from mining – especially exploiting the seafloor volcanic mineral deposits, and the exploitation of the colossal lignite reserves is extremely exciting – lucky Southland.
    Please, some of you, follow your own advice and get out into the real world, and do try to stop being puerile and making remarks like “Has Key ever set foot in our National Parks? Has he ever been more than 100m from the road? Has he ever tramped one of our Great Walks? Has Brownlee? Can either of them use a map and compass? Do these people have any understanding or appreciation of the wonders that they are so eager to desecrate (for so uncertain and so small a return)? I think that the answers are no”.
    Come on Labour wake up !

    • Bill 14.1

      that’s. really. rather. rich. graham.

      But at we now we know who the wealthy eighth dwarf was. Heigh-ho, heigh-ho.

    • Jum 14.2

      richgraham
      I take it you have no objection to the Schedule 4 area being left alone as originally agreed by all parties including the mining and environmental interests – Nick Smith made a nice speech about how it should never be interfered with.

      Labour has not said mining is completely out. Just not in the sensitive area. I’m sure you’re sensitive enough to agree with than, richgraham.Perhaps you can point that out to your friend Mr Key.

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    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
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  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
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  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
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  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
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  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
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  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
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    RedlineBy Admin
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  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
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    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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