Peters leaking everywhere

Written By: - Date published: 3:47 pm, November 17th, 2011 - 52 comments
Categories: john key, Media, winston peters - Tags: ,

Winston Peters is having the time of his life with the teapot tapes.  He was widely rumoured to be releasing a transcript at a meeting in Invercargill at 2pm.  He didn’t, but he did leak more details.  A 3 News summary:

Peters claims knowledge of teapot tape details

… 3 News was at Mr Peters speech this afternoon, where he claimed knowledge of the following details:

• That the length of the tape is eight minutes
• Mr Banks describes Don Brash as “a strange fellow” and Mr Key says, “Yes, we’ve been down that road before”
• The two politicians discuss a potential restructure of the ACT Party with Catherine Isaac mooted as a potential new leader
• That Mr Key says Mr Peters’ “constituents are dying”.

Other snippets doing the rounds:
Families of suicide victims slam Key’s “flippant” remarks. he stands by them.
Key asked whether he talked about getting “unbridled power”
Key says that wasting the Police’s time is OK because crime is down.
Rumours of a TV1 poll tonight that shows no damage to the Nats on voting intentions yet.
Update: Also rumours of a Herald Digipoll tomorrow that does show big shifts. Who to believe?

52 comments on “Peters leaking everywhere ”

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  1. Nick C 1
    17 November 2011 at 3:56 pm

    “Rumours of a TV1 poll tonight that shows no damage to the Nats on voting intentions yet.”

    Yet??

    After three years in opposition are Labour really pinning its hopes on 1 week of campaigning?

    • Jackal 1.1
      17 November 2011 at 4:59 pm

      That last one really frightens me… what if Key pulls all this shit and nobody wakes up? I mean really New Zealand… the teapottapes plus so much more shows Key to be the most disingenuous vindictive lying son of a botch job Prime Minister we’ve ever had, and you aren’t going to change the way you vote? FFS! I really do hope that my suspicions are correct, and those polls are as dodgy as hell.

    • lprent 1.2
      17 November 2011 at 5:13 pm

      Umm Labour? Where did it say Labour?

    • Zetetic 1.3
      17 November 2011 at 9:40 pm

      Yet – as in the poll was taken days ago and Key’s meltdown gets more speculator every hour.

      The guy’s using Bainimarama tactics. If you don’t think that’s costing him, you’re dreaming. And, if you’re right, god help this country.

  2. freedom 2
    17 November 2011 at 4:00 pm

    How about we get a referendum on banning political polls in the six weeks leading up to an election?
    (although banning poitical polls altogether would be a healthy step forward for any democracy)

  3. Nick C 3
    17 November 2011 at 4:01 pm

    If thats all they discussed then maybe the conversation is as bland as Key says it is.

    – Catherine Isaacs is obviously a future leader of the Act Party.
    – Anyone who has met Don knows that he is a bit odd.
    – Old people die. Also, Santa Claus isnt real.

    • lprent 3.1
      17 November 2011 at 5:12 pm

      The story long since went from what he actually said, to the daft responses that Key and his team took to it.

      It probably isn’t so much that he had something terrible to hide (although Peters will hype it up that way). It is the fact he thought that he could suppress it. Moreover that best way to do that was to try and intimidate journos. They’ve already had a gutsfull of the softly-softly restrictions they have had with Key. But trying to intimidate them is quite literally the small of blood on the water to the sharks.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox 3.2
      17 November 2011 at 10:54 pm

      If Brash is odd- what would you call Banks?

  4. Anne 4
    17 November 2011 at 4:02 pm

    That TV1 poll would have been taken before the Teapot Saga became a major issue. Hence it will not have affected their poll rating. Could be a different story by this time next week though.

    It’s not necessarily the subject matter itself that is controversial Nick C. It’s the words that were used and, more importantly, the tone of voice. All the evidence so far suggests that tone was derogatory towards certain people.

    • insider 4.1
      17 November 2011 at 4:30 pm

      I think the media get excited about things like this affecting polls as do the party and politically interested. I can’t recall an event like this of beehive oriented politics seriously changing views. Did Corngate shift things like Iwi Kiwi? Hollowmen seemed to have no effect (the polls were all over the place so it’s hard to judge and perhaps easy to overinterpret the impact depending on your political alliegance

      • lprent 4.1.1
        17 November 2011 at 5:02 pm

        It is more a question of timing. It usually takes at least two weeks for something to sink into the voters perception and often as long as 3 months.

        But I’m not sure how much effect that something like this so close to the election has on voters. They’re actually emerging from their 3 year slumber and starting to take notice of politics. In this case it has been accentuated by the very short period after the RWC – which definitely disrupted the usual rise in traffic here. It is only really the last two weeks that there has been a rush to the political blogs by people other than the usual political junkies.

        I guess we will know at the polling place. There is hardly time for the effect to go through in any other poll.

        However it does seem to have crushed Act for sure because the cup of tea was so screwed up. It is pretty clear that goldsmith could drop out of the race in epsom now and he would still win (since his name can’t be removed at this late hour).

        It will in any case cripple John Key’s remaining time as PM. Quite simply it now gets really easy to put the needle in, and his coalition prospects look quite restrictive.

        Winston? Well if there was ever an issue designed to put him over the line, then National just gave him the perfect one. Calling the police! What are the monied academic whatever classes trying to pull on dear old REAL kiwi’s. Ah yes – I am now expecting the old bugger to sneak over the line. Mostly due to the political idiots like Hide, Farrar, Slater, and the like who don’t know how to push the stake in properly and did such a pissant job in 2008.

        • vto 4.1.1.1
          17 November 2011 at 5:12 pm

          I must agree somewhat mr prent. Politics is on the minds of many many more than usual right now. Perhaps accentuated here in Chch thanks to The Great Earth Monster and thanks to the coup d’etat at our elected Regional Council. Perhaps a good reason to go hard in those swingish seats around these parts like Port Hills for the last week.

          It is funny though – just when politics and Key rear into view Key goes and falls off the horse and brays like a ninny. Talk about creating an impression …..

          ha ha

        • rosy 4.1.1.2
          18 November 2011 at 12:04 am

          The big problem with all this is it’s smothering Labour’s campaign as well. I think the Nats are now playing a good game of damage control, appearing to be the victim.

          Very worrying that Nats are now saying they can’t get policy out, when the truth is they don’t have any that’s palatable for the masses and now they have a cover for not talking about it.

    • Deadly_NZ 4.2
      17 November 2011 at 11:40 pm

      The Horizon Poll turned up about the beginning of the melt down too. So that should be out soon too.

  5. chris73 5
    17 November 2011 at 4:09 pm

    I hope the title of this post isn’t a suggestion that most of his supporters are getting on a bit in years…

  6. ianmac 6
    17 November 2011 at 4:10 pm

    And I thought that Joyce had a hand in ridding Hide and elevating Brash. Yet Key agrees that Brash is a bit strange. That is a bit strange and remember that Joyce leapt in first over tea cups. Did he advise Key’s direction?

  7. tsmithfield 7
    17 November 2011 at 4:22 pm

    This stuff is all so pathetic that it couldn’t be seriously argued that Key has been trying to cover it up.
    Most of this has already been out in the media, so the stuff Peters has released is equally boring, if not more so.

    Keys point about taking a stand on principle looks pretty strong now, as there is no other logical reason for going to the police about it.

    I actually hope the media get caned over this. They have known that the police are dealing with the case, and have still tried to make a story out of it. Also, they were completely aware of how innocuous it was. So, be it on their heads if they have broken any law with the publicity they have given it so far.

    Key is right. They should have been focusing on the important issues.

    • Lanthanide 7.1
      17 November 2011 at 4:31 pm

      Still up to the “Key can do no wrong” routine I see, ts.

      • tsmithfield 7.1.1
        17 November 2011 at 4:37 pm

        Lanth, the problem is that the media, Goff, Peters et al. have way overcooked their cabbage. If they are going to make such a meal of this then they better have something stunning at the end of it. This is just one huge anti-climax that is completely underwhelming.

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1
          17 November 2011 at 4:41 pm

          The only one turning up the heat on the cabbage is Key. He is the one who has escalated this each step of the way, faster than anyone expected even.

          • tsmithfield 7.1.1.1.1
            17 November 2011 at 4:44 pm

            Yeah. But now it looks much more like a stance on principle. I mean, why try and cover up such a trite discussion? If something major had come out, Key’s actions would definitely smell of a cover up. But this???

            • Lanthanide 7.1.1.1.1.1
              17 November 2011 at 4:48 pm

              Actually ts, if he was standing on principle, then earlier on (too late now) he could have released the contents, demonstrating that he truly wasn’t concerned about what it said, and *still* pressed changes on the principle of it.

              Actions are louder than words. So far Key’s actions have spoken very loudly indeed. He’s out of his depth and either has a very crappy memory or is lying about it – not good characteristics for the leader of the counter.

            • lefty 7.1.1.1.1.2
              17 November 2011 at 5:45 pm

              It can’t possibly be a stand on principle tssmithfield.

              John Key does not have any principles he traded them in exchange for the first million he made on the backs of the rest of us.

              He doesn’t know anyone who has a spare principle he could borrow either, because his friends have all done the same thing.

              • conorjoe …
                17 November 2011 at 5:55 pm

                quite, lefty.

                whose 50 million does John Key have?
                mom’n’pop ‘investors’ from all around the world ?

        • wtl 7.1.1.2
          17 November 2011 at 4:45 pm

          It has been repeatedly pointed out to you that the current issue isn’t so much the content of the tape but Key’s handling of it, which has been poor to say the least. I note that you keep putting up advice for Key on how to handle the situation, but he doesn’t do any such thing, and instead digs himself further and further into a hole (the police have spare time? LOL).

          The reality is Key can only lose votes over this, not gain them. Of course diehard National/Key supporters like you will be completely unaffected. Others will see him handling this poorly and may change their votes (how many? who knows). Anyone who wasn’t going to vote for Key before (such as most of those here) certainly aren’t going to suddenly decide to vote for him now. Instead, their perceptions of Key will just be amplified by this whole situation.

    • insider 7.2
      17 November 2011 at 4:32 pm

      Or Peters doesn’t know with any certainty and is repeating what he is told/has read. Winston is hardly reliable as a source.

      • Colonial Viper 7.2.1
        17 November 2011 at 4:37 pm

        In that case Duncan Garner could easily come forward and slam Peters as clearly making things up for publicity purposes.

        But Garner hasn’t has he.

        • tsmithfield 7.2.1.1
          17 November 2011 at 4:41 pm

          Who cares. Even with the spin Peters has put on it, its an absolute non-event. It would have been worthwhile had it been Key talking about putting more state assets on the block than he had disclosed, or something like that. But this is just trivial bullshit that doesn’t rate the attention it has had.

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.1.1.1
            17 November 2011 at 5:25 pm

            A trivial non-event? Key disagrees with you – he thinks that your “trivial non event” is actually a matter for the police.

            • Galeandra 7.2.1.1.1.1
              17 November 2011 at 8:39 pm

              As has been said over and again, it’s not so much what he said as how. It’s all to do with his choice of lexis, his voice tones, his attitude. Just as it was when he walked out on Garner this morning. His subtext to everyone watching was that he was in charge, he knew what people wanted to know, and he’d do what he liked. A classic Muldoonist approach, without the power of menace the short one had. Anyone not in love with Key was either going WTF or laughing hysterically, as I am now. Carry on Ts and co; as they say, it’s gold, pure gold.

    • Policy Parrot 7.3
      17 November 2011 at 4:36 pm

      They should have been focusing on the important issues

      tsmithfield – you mean like “Brand Key” and “leadership”, i.e. what National have based their entire campaign on? Of course, if National has released little substantive policy then of course the content from their point of view becomes about those two aspects, and up until 5 days ago, that was the whole idea. It has proved to be a risky strategy and may indeed be their undoing.

      I’m sure Labour would heartily welcome National to outline its comprehensive policy platform and agenda for the next term, but of course they would have cause for concern that simple talking and criticism of such ideas surrounding National’s strategy may become a police matter.

      • tsmithfield 7.3.1
        17 November 2011 at 4:39 pm

        See my comment to Lanth above. Its all over-promise, and under-deliver from the media.

        It looks like the PM has been hounded incessently over nothing.

        • Scott 7.3.1.1
          17 November 2011 at 5:18 pm

          You could be right tsmithfield. Who knows how the polls will unfold over the next week. The thing is though if it’s as trivial as you would have us think then doesn’t that just underscore the extraordinary situation we have now where the PM has effectively taken the nuclear option and completely trashed his relationship with the fourth estate? For what? What happens next? At the very least even you would have to accept that the strategy is a bit flawed.

    • Lanthanide 7.4
      17 November 2011 at 5:20 pm

      Hey ts, have a read of how Brash handled himself during questioning here:
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5982946/Police-have-the-time-to-probe-tapes-Key

      Starting at the “BRASH: I’M NOT STORMING OUT” sub-heading.

      He didn’t get all histrionic about it, didn’t conflate it with news of the world hacking or suicides, didn’t flippantly say the police have got so much time on their hands they can waste it on this investigation and didn’t storm off at the end of it.

      Straight up honest answers. That’s always been Brash’s problem when it comes to politics, he’s too honest and doesn’t have the political nous to know when he needs to keep his cards close to his chest (remember when he said he didn’t want to talk over Clark in the leaders debates because she was a woman?). But when it comes to dealing with a scandal, Brash’s approach is a lot more statesmanship like than Key’s spoiled brat playing dumb routine.

  8. Tiger Mountain 8
    17 November 2011 at 4:48 pm

    “Ve know nothink” is the nub for non members of the ShonKey fan club.

  9. Carol 9
    17 November 2011 at 5:10 pm

    According to TVNZ Peters also claimed that Key said he expected National would get enough votes in the election to govern alone.
    http://tvnz.co.nz/election-2011/tea-tape-peters-reveals-more-police-demand-news-material-4546544

    Hubris…. much..

    Methinks Key doesn’t like to lose or to be strongly criticised.

  10. infused 10
    17 November 2011 at 5:22 pm

    He’s just said what everyone already knows…

    Can’t blame him for milking it I guess.

  11. tsmithfield 11
    17 November 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Ah well. I think I ‘ve just lost $20 bucks. At Ipredict at 5.55pm I short-sold Key winning on the basis that I thought the TVNZ poll might show a drop for National.

    However, just as I have been saying, and saying, and saying. No-one cares. Labour is losing out of this, not National.

    Anyway, I will keep my position open. Then, if by some remote chance, National does lose I will at least have made $180 or so for only $20 risk. That way I will have something to be happy about whatever the result. 🙂

    • ianmac 11.1
      17 November 2011 at 6:58 pm

      The Tv3 poll has National down another 3% ,and 2 % down for Labour but up for NZF and up to 13% for the Greens.
      If ACT disappears then the game could become a lot closer.

      • McFlock 11.1.1
        18 November 2011 at 12:32 am

        My understanding is that the percentages in parliament are based on the votes of the parties that get over 5% or an electorate seat. So ACT disappearing might actually help Key.
         
        I think a maximum of 10% of votes will be to unelected parties, soif the nats get more than 45% they’d be able to govern alone. If Winston gets in at 5%, then the national/MP  requirement goes to 47.5% to govern (plus an extra 1 for speaker, of course).
          
        Currently they’re in the low 50s, and that’s without assuming a systemic conservative (in both senses of the word, i.e. incumbent bias or tory press) bias in the polls. Slipping 5% would seem to be very do-able based on nact current performance, 10% probably not.
         
        It will be “a damned close-run thing”, with national on an all-or-nothing gamble.

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.1
          18 November 2011 at 3:56 am

          soif the nats get more than 45% they’d be able to govern alone.

          Conventional wisdom I’ve heard requires at least 46%-47% on the night for the Nats to govern alone. And that would give them nothing more than a very unstable majority which they would want to bolster.

          With the turncoat Greens.

  12. tsmithfield 12
    17 November 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Just saw Peters on TV3 before I turned it off due to the urge to vomit.

    Campbell asked him several times if what he had leaked about the conversation was what he had heard/read himself from the recording, or what someone told him. Peters seemed to be doing everything possible to avoid giving the answer “no” to having anything better than hear-say to rely on. Typical Peters. High on rhetoric, zero on substance.

  13. Carol 13
    17 November 2011 at 8:06 pm

    On iPredict tonight, Matthew Hooton seemed to back up all the things Peters said about the content of the recordings: NZF supporters dying off, comments about Act leadership. Plus he added there was a derogatory/dismissive comment about the Greens or their kind of supporters.

    So another to add to the list of people JK has potentially annoyed.

  14. Nick K 14
    17 November 2011 at 9:51 pm

    So what Carol? Red Russell Norman annoys 90% of New Zealand daily. I can’t believe he’s being talked of as an economic moderate – he’s a communist!

  15. Zaphod Beeblebrox 15
    17 November 2011 at 10:50 pm

    How can anyone interpret a poll when you don’t know-

    1. The sampling period
    2. The sample size
    3. How the questions are asked.
    4. The subgroup sizes.

    If you don’t know that how can anyone decide what the predictive value of he poll is?

  16. anne 16
    19 November 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Talk about polls what happened in auckland when banks was supposed to be a shoe in,and len
    brown won it,it aint over,til its over.

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    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How Many Watts Does a Laptop Use? Understanding Power Consumption and Efficiency
    Laptops have become essential tools for work, entertainment, and communication, offering portability and functionality. However, with rising energy costs and growing environmental concerns, understanding a laptop’s power consumption is more important than ever. So, how many watts does a laptop use? The answer, unfortunately, isn’t straightforward. It depends on several ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How to Screen Record on a Dell Laptop A Guide to Capturing Your Screen with Ease
    Screen recording has become an essential tool for various purposes, such as creating tutorials, capturing gameplay footage, recording online meetings, or sharing information with others. Fortunately, Dell laptops offer several built-in and external options for screen recording, catering to different needs and preferences. This guide will explore various methods on ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How Much Does it Cost to Fix a Laptop Screen? Navigating Repair Options and Costs
    A cracked or damaged laptop screen can be a frustrating experience, impacting productivity and enjoyment. Fortunately, laptop screen repair is a common service offered by various repair shops and technicians. However, the cost of fixing a laptop screen can vary significantly depending on several factors. This article delves into the ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How Long Do Gaming Laptops Last? Demystifying Lifespan and Maximizing Longevity
    Gaming laptops represent a significant investment for passionate gamers, offering portability and powerful performance for immersive gaming experiences. However, a common concern among potential buyers is their lifespan. Unlike desktop PCs, which allow for easier component upgrades, gaming laptops have inherent limitations due to their compact and integrated design. This ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Climate Change: Turning the tide
    The annual inventory report of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions has been released, showing that gross emissions have dropped for the third year in a row, to 78.4 million tons: All-told gross emissions have decreased by over 6 million tons since the Zero Carbon Act was passed in 2019. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago

  • How to Unlock Your Computer A Comprehensive Guide to Regaining Access
    Experiencing a locked computer can be frustrating, especially when you need access to your files and applications urgently. The methods to unlock your computer will vary depending on the specific situation and the type of lock you encounter. This guide will explore various scenarios and provide step-by-step instructions on how ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Faxing from Your Computer A Modern Guide to Sending Documents Digitally
    While the world has largely transitioned to digital communication, faxing still holds relevance in certain industries and situations. Fortunately, gone are the days of bulky fax machines and dedicated phone lines. Today, you can easily send and receive faxes directly from your computer, offering a convenient and efficient way to ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Protecting Your Home Computer A Guide to Cyber Awareness
    In our increasingly digital world, home computers have become essential tools for work, communication, entertainment, and more. However, this increased reliance on technology also exposes us to various cyber threats. Understanding these threats and taking proactive steps to protect your home computer is crucial for safeguarding your personal information, finances, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Server-Based Computing Powering the Modern Digital Landscape
    In the ever-evolving world of technology, server-based computing has emerged as a cornerstone of modern digital infrastructure. This article delves into the concept of server-based computing, exploring its various forms, benefits, challenges, and its impact on the way we work and interact with technology. Understanding Server-Based Computing: At its core, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • Vroom vroom go the big red trucks
    The absolute brass neck of this guy.We want more medical doctors, not more spin doctors, Luxon was saying a couple of weeks ago, and now we’re told the guy has seven salaried adults on TikTok duty. Sorry, doing social media. The absolute brass neck of it. The irony that the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 day ago

  • Jones finds $410,000 to help the government muscle in on a spat project
    Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Again, hate crimes are not necessarily terrorism.
    Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
    Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    2 days ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
    Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours, as of 9:16 am on Thursday, April 18 are:Housing: Tauranga residents living in boats, vans RNZ Checkpoint Louise TernouthHousing: Waikato councillor says wastewater plant issues could hold up Sleepyhead building a massive company town Waikato Times Stephen ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
    It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    2 days ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
    Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
    This is a re-post from Andrew Dessler at the Climate Brink blog In 2023, the Earth reached temperature levels unprecedented in modern times. Given that, it’s reasonable to ask: What’s going on? There’s been lots of discussions by scientists about whether this is just the normal progression of global warming or if something ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Backbone, revisited
    The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
    Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
    Buzz from the Beehive Point  of Order first heard of the Oceans Secretariat in June 2021, when David Parker (remember him?) announced a multi-agency approach to protecting New Zealand’s marine ecosystems and fisheries. Parker (holding the Environment, and Oceans and Fisheries portfolios) broke the news at the annual Forest & ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Bryce Edwards writes  – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
    Citizen Science writes –  Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
    One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    5 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    5 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    12 hours ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    15 hours ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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