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Pike River – who to believe?

Written By: - Date published: 11:52 am, May 2nd, 2017 - 45 comments
Categories: accountability, bill english, disaster, Mining - Tags: , , , ,

Amidst the confusion over the Pike River videos, the Pike River families are sure of one thing, Bill English is lying. Newshub:

Pike River families say they were never shown video – despite police and PM’s claims

A spokeswoman for the Pike River families says they were never shown the latest video – as police and the Prime Minister claim – saying if they had “we would never forget it”.

Carol Rose, whose son Stuart Mudge was killed in the explosion, said she had canvassed 23 people at the two meetings where police say it was shown and not one of them remembers seeing the footage. …

45 comments on “Pike River – who to believe?”

  1. SpaceMonkey 1

    Ockham’s Razor… this Government has a history of lying. I believe the Pike River families.

  2. michelle 2

    Well someone is telling porkies and based on the gnats track record and there lack of recall I think its them. How does the saying go ‘ once a liar always a liar’ and they have polished there fibs and porkies.

  3. Yep they would never forget it. English going down – he’s a joke, a liability, out of his league, beyond the pale, ding ding it’s lunchtime billy – time to go. How close are the gnats going to play this game of chicken before they blink the bogus bill bloke away and replace his sorry arsk with WIN material.

    • mickysavage 3.1

      Agreed they would never forget it. The video is mesmerizing. Imagine having one of your family presumably dead in a mine and watching video as the robot goes down the drift. It would not be something you would ever forget.

      I am really disturbed that no one has ever had to face the music about what happened.

      • AmaKiwi 3.1.1

        +1

        They would never forget.

        The old boys always look out for each other.

        If there is no independent prosecutor, there isn’t any corruption. The world is told we are free of corruption and Nicky Hager is just a conspiracy theorist. Don’t complain. She’ll be right.

  4. mosa 4

    Of course English and the police are lying because if the families had seen the footage it would not have been necessary for the video to be ” leaked “.

    The fact that this evidence was withheld from a royal commission is in its self an appalling faliure.

    Twenty nine men have died here and this government is still playing games with their families six years on from this disaster, first with John Key’s atrocious deceitful statements and now with Bill English treating all of them with contempt.

    • Sabine 4.1

      so gut it needs to be repeated

      Of course English and the police are lying because if the families had seen the footage it would not have been necessary for the video to be ” leaked “.

      + 1

    • Draco T Bastard 4.2

      The fact that this evidence was withheld from a royal commission is in its self an appalling faliure.

      Withholding it is lying by omission.

      Twenty nine men have died here and this government is still playing games with their families six years on from this disaster, first with John Key’s atrocious deceitful statements and now with Bill English treating all of them with contempt.

      It’s the National Party – the contempt for workers has always been there.

    • Anne 4.3

      … English and the police are lying because if the families had seen the footage it would not have been necessary for the video to be ” leaked “.

      Yep. A bit like the responses to “Hit&Run” by the NZDF and govt. Political quackery engaged in and not a whimper from the MSM. Instead they concentrate on the 12 hour delay of Labour’s list announcement. Got to get their priorities right. (sarc)

      Edit: I see the H&R point has been mentioned by others. No matter. The more it’s said the better.

  5. saveNZ 5

    Yep, +1 to Pike River families. Think their recollection might be more accurate…

  6. Ad 6

    The media play of this leak goes as low as it gets. MSM wants no justice – just perpetual story.

    English will need to fully front to tv and flood them with footage.

    V similar to Clark and the “corngate” GMO book tv interview IMHO.

    • SpaceMonkey 6.1

      Because there is a story. If this National Government had acted with honour and John Key had kept to his word, none of this would be an issue and… it may very well have been settled by now.

    • Liars get caught – the media report it – they arent making the story. People died and people care about that.

  7. ianmac 7

    English relies on briefings.
    Keating says no problems so English says no problems.
    Police say miners were shown videos. So English says they were shown videos.

    A wise Leader would say we had better check. Somebody is wrong.

  8. mary_a 8

    More shabby treatment of the families of the mine victims of Pike River, by this uncaring government.

    Given Natz history of deceit, lies and subterfuge, it’s really a no brainer.

    The Pike River families have no reason to lie or cover up. They will be telling the truth … whereas on the other hand, the dirty, devious Natz …!!!

  9. As the shock of the video was released and time was given to rally a defense, we see how the story changed ….

    ……………………………………………………………..

    PM rejects Pike River cover-up, launches detailed criticism of news report
    By Isaac Davison
    6:30 PM Monday May 1, 2017
    New Zealand Herald

    ”Last night, police told Newshub that they did not hand over the footage to a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the mining disaster because it was assessed as having no evidential value. This added to the families’ feeling of a cover-up.

    Police deputy commissioner National Operations Mike Clement said today that the police had mistakenly been referring to an earlier piece of video evidence taken inside the mine in November 2010. English confirmed the March 2011 footage had been turned over to the commission of inquiry.”

    ……………………………………………………………………

    AND THE ONLY problem with this whole thing is that not only do the Pike River family’s all say they had never seen that footage , – the lawyer who represented them , Nigel Hampton QC says he never saw it despite ‘ putting pressure on Police to release all footage ‘

    Pike River footage reinforces call for re-entry to mine, lawyer says
    10:52 AM Monday May 1, 2017
    New Zealand Herald

  10. Red 10

    Audrey young reports news hub and green have been very dodgy on this. Men where never more than a couple of meters in the mine A shame for the conspiracy theorists though

    • mauī 10.1

      I guess you ignored what was reported then, that the video shows wall-e the robot going 1500 metres into the mine. Did you look at the time stamps on the video? You think wall-e was sitting there a few centimetres into the mine with the barn door wide open for a whole 3 frickn hours? and then bizarrely fries its own circuits for no reason??

      • mordecai 10.1.1

        Maui the video has been edited by NewsHub to sensationalise their story. They are a disgrace to journalism, and are making things worse for the families.

    • McFlock 10.2

      Define and cite “a few metres”, pls.

    • ianmac 10.3

      Audrey Young always writes to defend her family and her PM and if there is a spiteful angle to put against the Labour Party, she does not hesitate.
      Believe her at your peril Red.

    • Red , you seem to forget the Police changing their story as they seem to have caught the National party disease in conveniently forgetting facts….

      One day they deemed it as ‘ no evidential value’ and didn’t show it.

      The next day they say they did and that all the family’s including their lawyers viewed it. Including the Royal Comission.

      At least with QC Nigel Hampton and the Pike River family’s they have been emphatic all along they had never seen it.

      I think you and Audrey need to take some memory pills yourself along with some Top Brass of the Police and certain National party MP’s – including their PM.

      • mordecai 10.4.1

        Red is correct, there is massive misinformation being spread.
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1705/S00014/pike-river-video-footage.htm

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.4.1.1

          The National Party falls victim to media misinformation? That’s terrible. Will you be ok?

          • mordecai 10.4.1.1.1

            I’m ambivalent to that. My concern is for the families, who are being mislead.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 10.4.1.1.1.1

              The families say they have access to more material than the media, so you will need to find some different lines to spray your wholly fake concern.

              If the families release more material and it becomes an election issue, the right will attack them.

              • mordecai

                Now we all have access to the video. 13 hours of it. There is no cover up, just a dishonest media. And by some of their own. (“We didn’t see the video…”)

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  If you say so. Personally, I’m happy for the media narrative to portray the National Party as callous lying scum, because that’s the truth.

  11. dukeofurl 11

    Confusion Marketing 101

    Same old same old for the Afghanistan villages story as well

    You can see a trial of confusion over previous aspects Pike River.
    Did Key promise to ‘categorically get the boys back’ or did he promise to do ‘the best they could ‘- the video showed it was ‘ absolutely get the boys back’

  12. tc 12

    if you were laying odds about national telling the truth over pyke river then it would be long odds and no end of bookies would take your money.

    When shonky said ‘Whatever it takes ‘ he was referring to protecting corporate interests, workers are expendable resources under national.

  13. Incognito 13

    The pattern has become all too familiar: innocent people die (e.g. Pike River, Hit and Run) and this National Government tells us that there’s nothing to see folks, please move on. Sometimes the Truth will not be found and not everybody will be ‘satisfied’ with it but we should at least make a genuine and honest attempt. National proves again their contempt for the Truth and those who seek it.

    • Red 13.1

      What you want to believe and truth may be two different things unfortunately It’s probably just time for every one to move on, its just politics now with the left taking advantage of family grief for political gain,

      • McFlock 13.1.1

        ^ case in point.

      • WILD KATIPO 13.1.2

        So what would you suggest the public do , Red ?… just lie down and wait until the next workplace disaster and more people die?

        Pull out support for the Pike River family’s and tell them all ” their all just a bunch of whiners and just get over it ? ”

        Just like Key called one of the women who embarrassed him and called him out on his bullshit duplicitous promise ?

        Adopt the ‘ nothing to see’ line every time someone suspects corporate skulduggery and Worksafe lets off the Manager scot free because its a bad look for future mining corporate’s concerns like this ?

        Forest & Bird says Government has secret mining plans for Denniston …
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11848323

  14. David Mac 14

    Can’t a drone with a cam and a light be programmed to not bump into things?

    Send in the drones.

    • Why not trust in the worlds eminent mines safety experts opinions and implement what they have already suggested and done a number of times instead in actual practice ?

      Kind of hard to gather concrete forensic evidence just with a drone…

      Isn’t it.

  15. Ross 15

    Nigel Hampton says he doesn’t recall seeing it during the Royal Commission and he recently consulted with another lawyer who doesn’t recall seeing it.

    But it should be a relatively easy matter to settle as the Royal Comission should have a record of the exhibits that were presented.

    • ” But it should be a relatively easy matter to settle as the Royal Comission should have a record of the exhibits that were presented.”

      Fair comment.

      But then we would have to reckon on whether the family’s have actually seen it as well. And so far they and their lawyer say they didn’t.

  16. Jum 16

    If they get the go ahead to open up to check for family members, station a trustworthy guard on that opening night and day. Too much could conveniently go wrong.

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  • Govt supports King Country farmers to lift freshwater quality
    Healthier waterways are front and centre in a new project involving more than 300 King Country sheep, beef and dairy farmers. The Government is investing $844,000 in King Country River Care, a group that helps farmers to lift freshwater quality and farming practice, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced today. “Yesterday ...
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    1 week ago
  • Libraries to help with jobs and community recovery
    A major funding package for libraries will allow them to play a far greater role in supporting their communities and people seeking jobs as part of the economic recovery from COVID-19. “Budget 2020 contains over $60 million of funding to protect library services and to protect jobs,” says Internal Affairs ...
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    1 week ago
  • Support for arts and music sector recovery
    A jobseekers programme for the creative sector and four new funds have been set up by the Government to help our arts and music industry recover from the blow of COVID-19. Thousands of jobs will be supported through today’s $175 million package in a crucial economic boost to support the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Legislative changes to support the wellbeing of veterans and their families
    Minister for Veterans Ron Mark has welcomed the First Reading of a Bill that will make legislative changes to further improve the veterans’ support system.  The Veterans’ Support Amendment Bill No 2, which will amend the Veterans’ Support Act 2014, passed First Reading today. The bill addresses a number of ...
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    1 week ago
  • Christ Church Cathedral – Order in Council
    Views sought on Order in Council to help fast track the reinstatement of the Christ Church Cathedral  The Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration, Hon Poto Williams, will be seeking public written comment, following Cabinet approving the drafting of an Order in Council aimed at fast-tracking the reinstatement of the ...
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    1 week ago
  • New Zealanders’ human rights better protected in new Bill
    The law setting out New Zealanders’ basic civil and human rights is today one step towards being strengthened following the first reading of a Bill that requires Parliament to take action if a court says a statute undermines those rights. At present, a senior court can issue a ‘declaration of ...
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    1 week ago
  • Deep concern at Hong Kong national security legislation
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today reiterated the deep concern of the New Zealand Government following confirmation by China’s National People’s Congress of national security legislation relating to Hong Kong. “New Zealand shares the international community’s significant and long-standing stake in Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability,” Mr Peters said. “New Zealand ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government invests in New Zealand’s cultural recovery
    Thousands of artists and creatives at hundreds of cultural and heritage organisations have been given much-needed support to recover from the impact of COVID-19, Prime Minister and Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Jacinda Ardern announced today. “The cultural sector was amongst the worst hit by the global pandemic,” Jacinda ...
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  • Better protection for New Zealand assets during COVID-19 crisis
    Key New Zealand assets will be better protected from being sold to overseas owners in a way contrary to the national interest, with the passage of the Overseas Investment (Urgent Measures) Bill. The Bill, which passed its third reading in Parliament today, also cuts unnecessary red tape to help attract ...
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    1 week ago
  • Cleaning up our rivers and lakes
    Setting higher health standards at swimming spots Requiring urban waterways to be cleaned up and new protections for urban streams Putting controls on higher-risk farm practices such as winter grazing and feed lots Setting stricter controls on nitrogen pollution and new bottom lines on other measures of waterway health Ensuring ...
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    1 week ago
  • Record year for diversity on Govt boards
    The Government is on the verge of reaching its target of state sector boards and committees made up of at least 50 percent women, says Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter and Minister for Ethnic Communities Jenny Salesa. For the first time, the Government stocktake measures the number of Māori, ...
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    1 week ago