PM should get over Waitangi problems

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1. alwyn 1

   5 February 2016 at 9:59 am

   I notice that your 2013 extract says “He said in his speech to the Te Ti marae”
   You will of course have noted that they have refused to let him make speeches anymore. What is the point in him going if he is not allowed to speak? Do you really think the PM of New Zealand should go and sit there while he is abused by nutters like Hone?
   • lprent 1.1

     5 February 2016 at 10:12 am

     Perhaps you should find a source for refusing make speeches? As far as I am aware there was discussion about topics, but he was allowed to hammer within limits.

     Essentially the hypocrite PM us thing himself into a pretzel with hi stories.
     • alwyn 1.1.1

       5 February 2016 at 10:41 am

       The “limits” you talk about appear to be that he couldn’t talk about politics at the marae. Both the Herald and Stuff publish basically the same story. Note the quote from the Stuff story after the links.

       http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11584568
       http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76578090/ngapuhi-elder-warns-there-will-be-trouble-if-john-key-attends-te-tii-marae

       “But that was in direct contrast to Kingi Taurua, who said Key wouldn’t be allowed to talk politics at the marae and would be expected to speak at the political forum.
       “A letter was sent explaining the situation and that was final,” he said.”

       He was certainly allowed to talk politics in previous years. He was now, it appears, only being allowed to reply to a welcome. That isn’t really being allowed to give a speech is it?
       • lprent 1.1.1.1

         5 February 2016 at 1:47 pm

         As I said, you made this up….

         You will of course have noted that they have refused to let him make speeches anymore. What is the point in him going if he is not allowed to speak?

         He is allowed to speak. His hosts have put some restrictions on what he is allowed to talk about. No different to this place or any other place.

         If I want to go into parliament, then my host there (effectively the speaker of the house) can put restrictions on me and does.

         Does John Key think that he is above being restricted in other people’s spaces?
     • Herb 1.1.2

       5 February 2016 at 12:13 pm

       Stop being selective or less polite ,lying Lynda.
       It does you no credit , just accept the PM is doing what a large majority expect and want him to do.
       Your TPPA theatrics failed , after you could barely muster the numbers who attend second rate Super 15 warm up games , and now your dear leader is saying he won’t over turn it .
       Couldn’t make this up.
       • lprent 1.1.2.1

         5 February 2016 at 1:51 pm

         I believe that the word your illiteracy was straining for is precise.

         I realize that is not something that moronic dickheads like you are particularly good at, but lying in the manner that alwyn did is something that deserves to be challenged.

         I was looking at your comment trying to precisely locate your challenge. However it appears that you were too stupid to include one.
         • Herb 1.1.2.1.1

           5 February 2016 at 2:35 pm

           Your a great representative of the left Lynn.
           Ignorant ,arrogant ,untruthful, and very angry.
           I’m surprised Labour rejected you as a candidate.
           Losers like you are welcomed by the left so you must have done something really bad
           • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2.1.1.1

             5 February 2016 at 4:07 pm

             You’re a great representative of yourself: hostile, barely coherent, and void of any grammar substantive argument.

             I’m surprised you describe the TPP protest as somehow belonging to Lprent, since he is remorselessly pro-trade and only rejects the TPP for the restraints it brings. Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention, which after all, wouldn’t be too hard to imagine.

             In short, we need better wingnuts. Again.
           • lprent 1.1.2.1.1.2

             6 February 2016 at 11:26 am

             I’m surprised Labour rejected you as a candidate.

             Where do moronic dickheads come up with these ideas.

             I have never ever stood as a candidate for any position in Labour.

             I have had my name put in as a branch chair once – when I wasn’t there to resist it. This is why you have to attend AGMs, when they get desperate you can be ‘volunteered’.

             I have been drafted into LECs and Labour working groups for technical advice and because I can poke holes in any delusions (like the idiotic ones by Herb). But that happens to me everywhere from my paid work to this site.
           • greywarshark 1.1.2.1.1.3

             6 February 2016 at 2:10 pm

             Herb
             Hippotomasuses eat herbs. And they deal with their herbs by defecation, that’s when it’s really TSHTF time. This comment rises slightly above the level of yours. Have a laugh folks, I think I’ve dealt to this twerp.
             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSKQ3ZNQ_O8
             • mary_a …

               7 February 2016 at 8:16 am

               @ greywarshark – ha ha, thanks for this 🙂

               For a moment there, listening to and watching this video, I thought Parliament had resumed a few days earlier than stated.
           • ropata 1.1.2.1.1.4

             6 February 2016 at 10:18 pm

             Herb you giant tosspot, nobody has greater freedom of speech than the PM, he’s free to say what he likes most of the time and he bloody well does. This ONE TIME the hosts at Waitangi have asked JK not to speak (lie) on certain topics and he throws his toys of of the cot.

             If you’re looking for petulance, arrogant fuckwittery, and blatant lies you’ll find plenty of it on the NatCorp™ benches. Go to Parliament at QT and you’ll see what I mean
         • alwyn 1.1.2.1.2

           6 February 2016 at 10:51 am

           http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Labour-wont-pull-out-of-the-TPP—Little/tabid/506/articleID/112603/Default.aspx

           I suppose you will be calling Andrew Little a liar shortly.
           Have a listen to the first couple of minutes of this interview. He says several times that Key was not allowed to speak, using phrases like “The Prime Minister has been denied an opportunity to speak” and “He should not have been told that he can come but he can’t speak”.

           Be consistent. How about a statement that ” lying in the manner that ANDREW did is something that deserves to be challenged”?
           • lprent 1.1.2.1.2.1

             6 February 2016 at 11:29 am

             Oh? I’m expected to get accuracy from politicians now? Unusual…

             Lets start with a serial liar – John Key. According to this dipshit, I was paid to attend the protest on Thursday. Well I guess that if you are only motivated by money in the way that notorious quisling is, then he’d have to delude himself that way eh?

             But knowing the way Little operates, he’d have defined earlier in the interview what he meant. But I guess if you didn’t listen you’d have missed it.
             • alwyn …

               6 February 2016 at 11:59 am

               That was the whole interview. It starts with “Andrew Little joins me now”.

               “But I guess if you didn’t listen you’d have missed it.”

               Are you going to label him a liar or not?
       • Molly 1.1.2.2

         6 February 2016 at 1:33 pm

         …”lying Lynda”…

         Are you really using a feminine version of his name as a derogatory term?

         Is this the highest level of discourse and analysis you are capable of bringing to the discussion?
         • ropata 1.1.2.2.1

           6 February 2016 at 10:21 pm

           Probably the best we can expect from a KB refugee. Can’t even string together a half decent insult 🙄
   • framu 1.2

     5 February 2016 at 10:22 am

     the only restriction was on making a political speech inside the whare. A restriction thats been somewhat a convention for many years – just not rigidly enforced. Its got way more to do with the purpose of the whare than anything else.

     And they provided a second area where such political topics could be better discussed. But the key bit being – this area comes with the explicit purpose of being open to being challenged – by anyone

     theres the political manouvering aspect at play – but IMO part of this is key trying to minimise two way dialogue – he doesnt really like being put on the spot that way, he gets quite pissy

     Ok – apologies if ive got my maori protocols a bit wrong there – happy to be corrected
     • weka 1.2.1

       5 February 2016 at 10:49 am

       That’s how I’ve understood it too. And I agree, this is about Key understanding that he’ll get trounced if he speaks at the politics tent and we all know how much that will hurt him. Gutless is the term that comes to mind, which is a nice irony seeing as how he was going on about courage back in the day. Gutless and a liar, we’re very fortunate in our choice of Prime Minister.
   • weka 1.3

     5 February 2016 at 10:46 am

     I’d also like a source for him being refused time to speak. From what I read yesterday (including the Te Tii marae trustees’ letter), Key is allowed to speak in the whare, just not about politics. That rule applies to all political parties. He was also allocated an hour to speak at the politics tent.
     • Bob 1.3.1

       5 February 2016 at 2:23 pm

       ‘Max had a great holiday with his new girlfriend and Bronagh got her hair done the other day…’ Fascinating stuff, I can’t see why he wouldn’t want to speak.
       Unless you can think of some topics for him to talk about on Waitangi Day that aren’t political? As you will see on the news tomorrow (no doubt), just turning up at Te Tii marae becomes political!
       • weka 1.3.1.1

         5 February 2016 at 3:35 pm

         Some people seem to under the impression that the marae is for Pakeha business. Strange that. If Key is so inept that he doesn’t know how to speak on the marae about important things in a respectful way then it’s true he should not go. Plus this,

         http://thestandard.org.nz/pm-should-get-over-waitangi-problems/#comment-1129340
         • Bob 1.3.1.1.1

           5 February 2016 at 3:45 pm

           Obviously some people forget that two parties signed the treaty…
           • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3.1.1.1.1

             5 February 2016 at 4:10 pm

             That’s true. A lot of Pakeha seem to think the agreement is between them and tangata whenua, for example.
             • Bob …

               5 February 2016 at 4:27 pm

               Exactly, you would think the fuss should be around the fact Jerry Mateparae hasn’t been invited to speak, nor will he be attending.
           • weka 1.3.1.1.1.2

             5 February 2016 at 5:11 pm

             Hardly. It’s just that I was brought up to not go into someone else’s house and demand that they behave the way I want them to, especially if I’ve been invited in.

             I’m sure that when people get invited to do things at parliament that there are processes that have to be adhered to. Key is entitled to stay away, but as PM of NZ he’s not entitled to be an arse. Not that that usually stops him.
   • Stuart Munro 1.4

     5 February 2016 at 1:18 pm

     The role of the PM at Waitangi is largely ceremonial – it is to show respect to our origins as a nation – not to windowdress his latest betrayal.

     Better leave it to the Governer General – since Key isn’t up to the job of being PM.
     • ropata 1.4.1

       6 February 2016 at 10:26 pm

       More than enough ground lately for the GG to dissolve this so-called “government” of servile corporate lackeys and call new elections.
   • reason 1.5

     5 February 2016 at 5:08 pm

     Right wingers do not like the fact that Hone was invited to the private family service at Mandelas home when the great man died.

     John Key and the other national supporters of apartheid slithered into the soccer stadium and rubbed shoulders with other liars and hypocrites ……. the sign language person spoke their language though

     And in that strange twisted dirty politics way it was Hone who was attacked for going to south Africa …… not the pro-tour nat s

     But here’s a relevant Waitangi question for everyone …..

     What was the last year that agents of our state used burning torches to burn Maori out of their homes and off their land ???????

     The answer is in the Bastion point doco …….. http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/bastion-point—the-untold-story-1999

     After watching Bastion point documentary ….. the race baiting and Waitangi day angst that racist types like Annsell and the National party push can be seen in the context of what it is …..

     What happened in Bastion Point was the rule not the exception …. it was pretty much the same everywhere

     And for trainspotters keep an eye out for when Clint Rickards pollutes the screen for about 3-4 seconds ………. he stands out as the thuggish criminal looking one in a police uniform.

     Probably plays golf with Sabin now ……….. on a beautiful course in beautiful country which is there for the benefit of the well off …. It would have been Maori land too
     • marty mars 1.5.1

       5 February 2016 at 5:31 pm

       + 1
     • ropata 1.5.2

       6 February 2016 at 10:28 pm

       I doff my hat to you sir. Very good points
   • Mosa 1.6

     5 February 2016 at 5:10 pm

     Typical. He can’t have a rant on the new glorious dawn of the TPPA so he throws his toys out of the cot.
     He is a habitual liar anyway no wonder they don’t want want to give him speaking rights he has done nothing to earn them.
     He will probably get coverage swimming at the Parnell mansion got to stay relevant on Waitangi
2. ianmac 2

   5 February 2016 at 10:00 am

   You are not suggesting that Key says what “they” want to hear at any group are you? Surely not. That would need short memories by journalists and people.

   Pity MSM could not do what you have so ably done.
   Actually I think Key is terrified of people who disagree with him. Very very seldom has he been willing to be confronted. His hero Muldoon used to enjoy interacting with opponents.
   • ropata 2.1

     6 February 2016 at 10:30 pm

     he’s more terrified of his carefully polished PR image being shattered

     but you’re right, he is disgustingly (or deliberately) clueless on issues in the real NZ, preferring to ham it up in the limelight, not engage seriously on matters that affect thousands of kiwis every day (child poverty, health, education, jobs, wages)
3. Anne 3

   5 February 2016 at 10:10 am

   Metiria Turei sums it up: he’s throwing a tantrum.

   Yep. Key wanted to have the floor to himself and not have to share with anyone else.

   On RNZ this morning Hooten was spinning and lying and doing his usual – deliberately hogging the floor. I’m waiting for Kathryn Ryan to screech “shut up” and turn his microphone off. He spent most of the time slinging off at the Harawira family. He called the marquee the “Harawira tent” thus conjuring up a picture of a tatty old tent full of holes where Key would be shouted down and pilloried by the Harawira family. In reality it is a very large marquee hired by the marae trustees and has been used as the speaking venue for at least two decades. Bolger spoke there. Shipley spoke there. And I presume Clark spoke there at some point.
   • framu 3.1

     5 February 2016 at 10:24 am

     and the funny thing is – if it was one of our kids reacting this way they would get a talking to about appropriate behaviour and manners
   • Anne 3.2

     5 February 2016 at 10:48 am

     And guess what: all his mindless caucus underlings are ‘not going neither’ (pout, pout). We’ll show ya…

     Pitiful and puerile response.
   • travellerev 3.3

     5 February 2016 at 12:57 pm

     Last year I was at Waitangi day as a guest of the Ngati Maniopoto delegation. I was allowed to speak in that self same tent they wanted John Key to debate Jane Kelsey in. There was an initial resistance to let me speak because I was a taoiwi and female. My Maori friend was also female and also had trouble to be allowed to speak and it wasn’t until a male said they need to hear us out because we had important information that we could speak.

     When we finally spoke we were listened to with the greatest respect and people asked questions and when we were done they thanked us for the information. I was in that tent for hours and not once did the listeners show any disrespect or impatience. In fact I dare say that listening is one of the skills we could learn from Maori because whenever I attend a hui or a meeting that is what they do!

     I am sure that John Key would have had ample time to put forward his point of view just like Jane Kelsey and that it would have been a very interesting meeting in which John Key’s arguments would have been shown for what they are: Empty rhetoric!

     One thing it would not have been is a loud shouting match with impolite pillorying. Not from the Harawira family or any other person there.
     • cogito 3.3.1

       5 February 2016 at 1:43 pm

       “a very interesting meeting in which John Key’s arguments would have been shown for what they are: Empty rhetoric!”

       Exactly what Key wants to avoid. He reminds me of one of those lip-syncing performers, going through the motions to a pre-recorded track.
     • Smilin 3.3.2

       5 February 2016 at 2:34 pm

       Yes Key hasnt realised that now when he speaks everyone is expecting another CT load of silver slippery tongue words that as Shakespeare put it “It is a tale told by an idiot signifying nothing” “Merchant of Venice” I think .
       • Molly 3.3.2.1

         6 February 2016 at 11:36 am

         Macbeth soliloquy: “Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow…”

         (School Cert exam question – no great scholar of the bard, but amazed how long that has stuck with me).
     • weka 3.3.3

       5 February 2016 at 5:16 pm

       Thanks ev. I agree about the listening.
     • marty mars 3.3.4

       5 February 2016 at 5:33 pm

       Thanks for the truth ev
   • Mosa 3.4

     5 February 2016 at 5:13 pm

     Kathryn Ryan is under the thumb unfortunately
4. Anno1701 4

   5 February 2016 at 10:17 am

   he may have been told by his security team not to go

   deploying armed police, riot squads and possibly a battalion of regular army to keep him safe would have been a REALLY bad look….
   • Stuart Munro 4.1

     5 February 2016 at 10:46 am

     It’s not just violence he’s afraid of – this gutless little sniveller has been protected in parliament by a corrupt and useless speaker while he runs his mouth off for so long he’s afraid someone will get in his face and show him up for the traitor he is.

     Once NZ wakes up to his crimes and failures he’ll be lucky to get out of the country alive – and he knows it better than anyone.
     • Herb 4.1.1

       5 February 2016 at 12:18 pm

       Geez take some pills Stuart and calm down .
       Funny how people like you talk of tantrums but you don’t seem to see the irony.
       The PM was told not to come ,was told to come and was then told hecoūld speak but only on a the terms of a non entity , Hone Harawira, an imbecile of such note not even his own people wanted him
       • Anno1701 4.1.1.1

         5 February 2016 at 12:40 pm

         lay off the pipe Herb, you’ll stroke out soon if your not careful…
       • Stuart Munro 4.1.1.2

         5 February 2016 at 12:41 pm

         Another koolaid drinker – wander off to a Key sycophant site like Whaleoil – you’ll be happier with the other pinheads.
         • Puckish Rogue 4.1.1.2.1

           5 February 2016 at 12:49 pm

           Lol tough guy keyboard warrior 🙂
           • Stuart Munro 4.1.1.2.1.1

             5 February 2016 at 1:26 pm

             Tougher than you I suppose, but so is tofu.
             • Puckish Rogue …

               5 February 2016 at 1:49 pm

               I’m sure you are, the way you type is just sooo scary 🙂
               • Anno1701 …

                 5 February 2016 at 2:21 pm

                 Cmon Puck is a middle class hero….
               • Stuart Munro …

                 5 February 2016 at 2:46 pm

                 Yep – I know it’s different on the right – unprincipled chickenshit rules there.

                 But the smiley face makes it all alright PR.

                 You’re such a nice sociopath.
                 • Puckish Rogue …

                   5 February 2016 at 2:55 pm

                   Just curious but how many veiled references to death have you made recently?

                   Just curious 🙂
                   • Stuart Munro …

                     5 February 2016 at 3:03 pm

                     Hey – you’re the pop psych king PR – why don’t you tell me?
                   • Puckish Rogue …

                     5 February 2016 at 3:08 pm

                     More then I have so why not stop acting tough and take a chill pill, like go outside and take a walk, its obvious this is getting you all over excited
                   • Stuart Munro …

                     5 February 2016 at 3:29 pm

                     What, am I cramping your astroturfing?
                   • Puckish Rogue …

                     5 February 2016 at 3:48 pm

                     It just seems to me like you’re taking this all too seriously, I mean when you start wanting people killed because they’ve negotiated a good trade deal its a sign you may not be thinking straight
                   • Stuart Munro …

                     5 February 2016 at 4:07 pm

                     Yeah yeah – so you’re one of the ‘honest graft’ crowd.

                     It might surprise you to learn that most New Zealanders don’t like corruption, they don’t like liars and they don’t like traitors.

                     They wonder how on earth we got such a succession of worthless and dishonest governments. The more informed ones are learning economics, and they see the vast corruption projects like CERA – and cannot believe there is no mechanism to throw Brownlee in prison.

                     Laugh it up – the world is turning and every succeeding generation is having it much harder than their parents. They are going to be harder in return on their representatives, especially the crooks.

                     My generation wanted enlightened government and instead got scum like Roger Douglas. We were not satisfied with Clark – what chance has a crook like Key got? And we’ve got long memories – friends of mine lost a lot when Equiticorp went down, they’re very interested to know it was Key that stole their money.

                     So it’s not a funny joking game anymore PR, not for them. And they want to check your numbers on things like the TPPA, because they’ve been cheated too many times. And this time Key was so arrogant he wouldn’t let them check his figures – a guy who’s lost us $120 billion and can’t be trusted to get it right.

                     But keep putting a smiley face on the end of your inanity PR – it’s just so hilarious.
                   • BM …

                     5 February 2016 at 4:21 pm

                     friends of mine lost a lot when Equiticorp went down, they’re very interested to know it was Key that stole their money.

                     Utter bull shit and you know it.

                     Then again, like many lefties you do come across as being a bit unhinged, so you probably do believe this is true.
                   • weka …

                     5 February 2016 at 5:22 pm

                     I’ve been appreciating your comments Stuart, including the staunchness and the beating back the bullshit.
                   • Stuart Munro …

                     5 February 2016 at 6:23 pm

                     Actually BM, it’s bankable.

                     And as some of NZ’s top futures traders at the time their analysis tends to be pretty damned sharp.

                     But bullshit away – no-one here will be persuaded – but word gets around, and unlike Treasury, some people can run numbers.

                     And thanks, Weka, I find you well worth reading too.
   • cogito 4.2

     5 February 2016 at 1:50 pm

     On the contrary, it could have been like Asterix versus the Romans… best show in town.
     • Puckish Rogue 4.2.1

       5 February 2016 at 3:02 pm

       With John Key as Asterix and Gerry Brownlie as Obelix?
       • Stuart Munro 4.2.1.1

         5 February 2016 at 3:15 pm

         John Key as the pirate captain and Brownlee as the lookout.
       • cogito 4.2.1.2

         5 February 2016 at 3:48 pm

         No no no. They would be the top Romans. Hone could be Asterix…. and no shortage of Obelixes up there…… LOL.
         • Puckish Rogue 4.2.1.2.1

           5 February 2016 at 3:50 pm

           I’ll agree with you there that after watching some of the footage it wouldn’t be hard to find an obelix or two
5. ankerawshark 5

   5 February 2016 at 12:06 pm

   John Key not going. All good. Move over for a real leader. Enter Andrew Little.
   • Puckish Rogue 5.1

     5 February 2016 at 12:51 pm

     That actually made me smile 🙂
6. Black Lemming 6

   5 February 2016 at 1:06 pm

   According to RNZ Checkpoint while the PM was not to speak at the meeting house on political issues the formal invitation he accepted clearly gave him speaking rights at the “Big Tent ” so to accept the MSM spin that he was gagged from speaking at the Marae is bullshit .

   After 25,000 marched in Auckland , the protesters heading for Waitangi, a united political opposition and 3/4 of those on the Marae not happy he was there , he quite simply was too chicken to attend.

   He also would have had to debate face to face with Prof Kelsey in a hostile environment and he was too chicken for that too .

   It was a clever move to implode TPPA anger by not attending but he has lost Mana by not fronting up.If the TPPA was such a good deal , surely we would all love to here about.

   Where will MR Chicken go for Waitangi Day ?
   • Anno1701 6.1

     5 February 2016 at 1:31 pm

     Hawaii probably ….
   • Puckish Rogue 6.2

     5 February 2016 at 1:55 pm

     “but he has lost Mana by not fronting up.”

     – Lost to whom, an bunch of drop kicks that were never going to vote for him in the first place?

     Big whoop, hes gained mana from middle NZ and that’s where the votes come from
     • Tc 6.2.1

       5 February 2016 at 2:37 pm

       Gambling on MP support continuing after this childish but calculated move like the dealer he is.

       Probably looked at their track record and thought they’ll take any shit we throw at them we will knock together whanau ora 2.0 to placate them….picks up phone to bill and says shave another 100m off chch billy boy.
       • Puckish Rogue 6.2.1.1

         5 February 2016 at 2:42 pm

         Theres that but I predict ACt will have two possibly three mps at the next election so National won’t be bothered either way
         • You_Fool 6.2.1.1.1

           5 February 2016 at 4:12 pm

           Act get less support than the RWNJ’s megre estimates of the TPPA protests; so i wouldn’t be putting too much money on them increasing their vote share if I was you…
     • marty mars 6.2.2

       5 February 2016 at 5:37 pm

       puck you don’t know what mana is, that much is obvious, please continue to make an utter joke of yourself – I enjoy it 🙂
   • mary-a 6.3

     5 February 2016 at 6:59 pm

     @ Black Lemming (6) – I have heard the gutless wonder is going to the cricket here in Auckland on Waitangi Day.

     He won’t have to face any challenges from the naughty great unwashed mob, enjoying some drinkies in his corporate box, surrounded by his DPS to keep the poor baby safe from harm. Ah bless.

     Seems FJK has definitely been rattled by the protests yesterday, in particular the 25,000 at the Auckland demonstration.

     More to come John boy, more to come.
     • BM 6.3.1

       5 February 2016 at 7:05 pm

       Auckland nines
7. ankerawshark 7

   5 February 2016 at 1:55 pm

   Anno1701 ………@6.1 Yes that’s very appropriate……JK goes to Hawaii for Waitangi Day. Lets chip in and buy him a one way ticket.
   • cogito 7.1

     5 February 2016 at 4:53 pm

     I’ll give him the Johnnie Walker…. :))
8. Tc 8

   5 February 2016 at 2:33 pm

   Get some guts johnny and face the music your soverignty sellout has started.
   • Puckish Rogue 8.1

     5 February 2016 at 2:45 pm

     Why should he jump hoops just so some kiddies can jump around and pretend they’re important because a cameras present
     • Stuart Munro 8.1.1

       5 February 2016 at 2:59 pm

       Maybe because he’s a paid public servant PR, it’s his job. Useless though he is at it, he should be there.
       • Puckish Rogue 8.1.1.1

         5 February 2016 at 3:06 pm

         So what, hes a public servant so he should be ridiculed and insulted? No until the protestors can act like adults and not like children I hope John Key stays away and keeps away
         • Stuart Munro 8.1.1.1.1

           5 February 2016 at 3:18 pm

           He’s a bad servant PR.

           He has earned this universal loathing by lying to and cheating the people he is sworn to serve.

           If NZ people behaved like adults it would be by ousting him.

           There is no place for people as corrupt as Key in NZ government.
           • Puckish Rogue 8.1.1.1.1.1

             5 February 2016 at 3:44 pm

             Hes a good servant of NZ, his popularity is at levels Andrew Little could only dream of and that’s some major reasons right there why its going to be three more years in 2017

             Oh yes nice one blaming the voters again like it has nothing to do with the left being complete plonkers….naah blame the voters
             • Stuart Munro …

               5 February 2016 at 4:15 pm

               But we don’t blame the voters PR – it is Key and his corrupt cronies (that’s you – you’ve achieved notoriety – the scoundrel’s substitute for fame) that are culpable. And all I want is for the guilty to be punished.
             • ropata …

               6 February 2016 at 10:41 pm

               “servant of NZ”

               *choke* don’t you mean “self-serving power-tripping bullshitter-in-chief”?
         • marty mars 8.1.1.1.2

           5 February 2016 at 5:43 pm

           “until the protestors can act like adults and not like children ”

           puck they are acting exactly correctly, as adults – it is smirkey that is acting childish, as he so often does – he’s just too shallow to expect anything more than that sorry to tell you.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1.2

       5 February 2016 at 3:51 pm

       Yep, I called it: ammunition, meet New Zealanders.
9. Smilin 9

   5 February 2016 at 4:00 pm

   Key and his self importance suggesting he would be judged as courageous to keep coming back to Waitangi
   This is courageous
   Bombing german submarine pens on the south of France’s Mediterranean coast and flying back to Nth Africa half shot to pieces and all crew surviving in WW2
   fUCK U kEY
   Its your duty as PM Key to be at WAITANGI not what you choose protected by your laws and political point scoring as a prerequisite
   • ropata 9.1

     6 February 2016 at 11:18 pm

     courage is taking a bullet for your brother
     or investing in the next generation, or making life better for someone else
     or standing up for your values when those around you still fail to “get it”
     or just showing up even if you are embarrassed, because it’s the right thing to do
10. rod 10

    5 February 2016 at 4:59 pm

    Right now, John Key is about as popular as a fart in a space suit. It’s all downhill for him from now on.
11. reason 11

    5 February 2016 at 5:17 pm

    John Key and the other national supporters of apartheid slithered into the soccer stadium and rubbed shoulders with other liars and hypocrites ……. the sign language person spoke their language though ….. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/11274963/What-happened-to-the-fake-Nelson-Mandela-interpreter.html

    I asked this question above but its worth repeating ……….

    What was the last year that agents of our state used burning torches to burn Maori out of their homes and off their land ??????? 1910? 1930? ….or later????????

    The answer is in the Bastion point doco …….. http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/bastion-point—the-untold-story-1999 …..and its not friggin 1999

    After watching and learning a bit of history from Bastion point documentary ….. the race baiting and Waitangi day angst that racist types like Annsell and the National party push can be seen in the context of what it is …..
12. Tautoko Mangō Mata 12

    5 February 2016 at 5:38 pm

    I want “festive, unconflicted”
    Didn’t want my speech restricted
    Bugger the kawa, Kingi, Te Tī
    That dildo thrown was meant for me!

    Tomorrow could be a quite a mess
    Glad I’ll have the DPS
    Waitangi Day, wish I could duck it
    Play some golf instead. Oh F..k it!

    Anon
    • Stuart Munro 12.1

      5 February 2016 at 11:27 pm

      Those leftie rat-bastards
      Oh why can’t they see,
      Waitangi, Waitangi Day’s all about me…
      It’s all just a footnote in the life of John Key! (exit under a hail of dildos)
      • ropata 12.1.1

        7 February 2016 at 12:03 am

        +1 applause!
13. John Shears 13

    5 February 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Quite apart from all the interesting comments above and a great plethora of absolute rubbish, can I ask why is the PM not going to be at Waitangi Day tomorrow on the Waitangi Marae, the Marae that doesn’t belong to any Maori tribe or hapu but belongs to all New Zealand and all New Zealanders, it’ s our National Marae.

    It has no actual connection to the Marae across the bridge also called the “Lower Marae” except that was the only Marae in the Waitangi area in 1840 when the treaty was signed.

    The Upper or National Marae is on the Treaty Grounds where the Treaty was signed and was bought by and gifted to the Nation by the then Governor General, Lord Bledisloe. He used his own funds to buy the land and thus saved it from being sold and possibly subdivided.

    Answer, he is not going because he is once more trying to score political points , in addition he has broken his own promise that he would ALWAYS be there on Waitangi day.

    If there was any chance of protesters being violent towards the PM
    then of course he would need to be protected by Police , Army, Navy or whatever was needed and the same goes as for any other New Zealander on the Treaty Grounds , so threatened.

    .
    • ropata 13.1

      6 February 2016 at 11:24 pm

      But arguably the Pakeha still managed to grab the sweetest spot on that peninsula, right on the water’s edge by the Waitangi river mouth, with panoramic views of the whole Bay of Islands – – now occupied by the Copthorne hotel and the BOI yacht club.
14. Neil 14

    5 February 2016 at 8:13 pm

    Cut the crap John & apologise to New Zealanders
15. Mosa 15

    5 February 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Another big diversion just orchestrated
    MSM only interested in will he won’t he speak at Waitangi !
    Hook line and sinker !!!
    MSM? Anything but mainstream !!
16. Incognito 16

    5 February 2016 at 11:25 pm

    This week we have seen yet another demonstration of cynical politics by National and John Key.

    By design, the signing of the TPPA took place in the Ninth Circle that symbolises pride and treachery only two days before Waitangi Day.

    It was predictable that this would lead to potential problems at the Waitangi celebrations. It may have been a calculated ploy but it certainly played into Key’s hand.

    Through his actions this week Key has further polarised NZ politics and many voters and non-voters alike. Instead of building bridges and healing wounds from the past he epitomises textbook wedge politics.

    By calling the organisation at Te Tii Marae “Mickey Mouse” he said more than enough.

    IMO Key did more damage than Don Brash in his infamous 2004 Orewa speech and the main reason for my opinion is that John Key is currently the PM of NZ and remains one of the most popular PMs in NZ history; Brash did not even get voted in.

    Therefore I agree with some of the right-leaning commenters here on TS that National is likely to see a boost in the polls. It may be off-set, however, by the strong performance by Andrew Little and Labour’s recent announcements on Free Education. So, the polls may actually not show much of a change, which hides the increasing polarisation that’s occurring. This is a worry for both left and right although the right might not see it this way as they think they are cheering for the ’winning team’. They are not!
    • ropata 16.1

      6 February 2016 at 10:45 pm

      I just hope FJK keeps on this arrogant track and insults more Kiwis, how do we encourage this sort of thing? He just needs to keep lowering his standards… more advice from whaleboil might help
      • Incognito 16.1.1

        6 February 2016 at 10:58 pm

        He doesn’t seem to need any encouragement; he’s entirely self-motivated and self-driven as far as I can tell. Unfortunately, he’s dragging many ‘followers’ and ‘disciples’ with him.

        Let’s not stoop down to his level; I would not be able to breathe.
17. pat 17

    6 February 2016 at 10:52 pm

    “Mr Key, who is not at Waitangi after being denied speaking rights there, said his decision not to attend was vindicated by yesterday’s events.
    The incident has made international headlines and it’s sad that that is the impression people overseas have of New Zealand’s national day, he said.”

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/295898/pm-appalled-at-waitangi-sex-toy-incident

    Apparently it isn’t sad when a country’s PM is internationally ridiculed for…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3364952/You-sure-got-pretty-little-mouth-New-Zealand-prime-minister-John-Key-slammed-taking-prison-rape-joke-stunt.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1179001/John-Oliver-mocks-NZ-PM-John-Keys-pulling-girls-ponytail.html

    http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/john-keys-unhappy-week-at-the-bbc/

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/john-key-new-zealand-prime-ministers-weirdest-moments-so-far
18. ropata 18

    6 February 2016 at 11:12 pm

    (reply to pat)
    antics that get plenty of support from the drunken redneck hoon fraternity
    hence the appeal of the overgrown man child FJK
    the perfect PM for those who hate politics
    (or thinking seriously about anything)
    • pat 18.1

      6 February 2016 at 11:42 pm

      i know there are a lot of”drunken redneck hoons” in NZ ….but that doesn’t equate with his polling…..theres more than that…..perhaps the electorate’s Damascus moment approaches
      • ropata 18.1.1

        7 February 2016 at 12:02 am

        yah, fingers crossed
19. Tautuhi 19

    7 February 2016 at 7:15 am

    Key throwing his toys around lately, if he doesn’t get his own way he spits the dummy.

    National’s problem is the NZ Public are waking up to all the B/S that we have had to listen to in the past 6-7 years, things are not quite as rosy as National and MSM make out, the thing that concerns me is our Overseas Debt rising from $2,000.00 per head to $26,000.00 per head over 6-7 years under National, $10 Billion to $120 Billion?
20. vto 20

    8 February 2016 at 7:59 am

    This series of promises which are then broken mark Key out as a man whose can actually never be trusted.

    We all come across these types from time to time – you know when they speak to you that they are bullshitting and have no intention of keeping to their word. Yet the gormless among us want and do believe ……….

    Only a fool believes anything Key says.

    John Key is a compulsive liar.

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