web analytics

Poll shows Kiwis prefer MMP

Written By: - Date published: 12:54 pm, November 12th, 2009 - 25 comments
Categories: MMP, polls - Tags: ,

NZPA reports on a new poll from UMR which shows Kiwis don’t want to dump MMP for a less proportional electoral system.

The survey used the proposed wording of the referendum and found 48 percent in favour of keeping MMP and only 40 percent in favour of changing the system.

Interestingly, when people were told the referendum was going to cost $20 million, 60% said they didn’t think we should have it.

Of the minority who do favour dumping MMP, nearly half either don’t know what they’d replace it with or simply don’t have enough understanding of the issues to make a choice. Of those who do have an opinion support is scattered all over the place, with 29 percent supporting FPP, 20 percent STV and 9 percent SM.

The fact is most Kiwis are happy with MMP, and I think as the referendum nears it’ll become clear that the gripes you usually hear are often based on either a misunderstanding about how it works or a lack of forethought about what the alternatives are.

The only coherent critique of MMP I’ve seen has come from people like former Telecom chairman Peter Shirtcliffe, who resents MMP because it means he and his rich mates have to actually win majority support for their self-serving economic agenda.

For him the golden years were the early 90s, when the Nats could privatise assets and write the unions out of legislation with only 35% of the popular vote. Before proportional representation went and ruined it all.

It’s for people like Shirtcliffe that Key’s running this thing.

25 comments on “Poll shows Kiwis prefer MMP ”

  1. Pat 1

    Definately time to dump MMP.

    Oh wait, I thought you were taliking about Mallard’s Mandatory Perks.

  2. gitmo 2

    “The fact is most Kiwis are happy with MMP”

    I’ll think you might find that your opinion is not a fact.

    • snoozer 2.1

      stinging rebuke there, gitmo.

      The poll shows a clear majority of those with an opinion support keeping MMP.

      • Pat 2.1.1

        People just don’t want to admit they were wrong.

        At least thats what we told everytime National polls 60%.

      • lukas 2.1.2

        “The poll shows a clear majority of those with an opinion support keeping MMP”

        Crap… you find 8% a clear majority…. you must be a depressed person when you look at political polls!

    • roger nome 2.2

      What an anal retentive git. About 10% for FPP vs 48% support for mmp. Spot the difference?

      • gitmo 2.2.1

        Read the link smokingman and then tell me how you can reasonably extrapolate a survey of 750 people to “The fact is most Kiwis are happy with MMP’

        • roger nome 2.2.1.1

          git – isn’t that a fairly routine sample size for a poll of this nature? You just look like you’re desperately clutching at straws in the hope that one day you’ll see the right take power with 35% of the popular vote again. But apparently only about 10% of NZers think that’s a desirable version of democracy – so you can just keep on dreaming pal.

          • gitmo 2.2.1.1.1

            So no answer to the question posited ? Just more meteorism from the smokingman, best you go and have a sit and think.

            • roger nome 2.2.1.1.1.1

              I get your point (and i’d prefer if you stop hitting on me please) – i just think it’s meaningless in the context.

              This poll has a margin of error of a few percentage points, so it’s clear that NZers prefer MMP (48%) over FPP (10%) or any other particular option. That’s the crux of it. You just appear to be nit-picking. The kind of person who gets stuck on individual points and loses the big picture…

              I know a few people like that. They’re generally not very popular with women or men ….

            • gitmo 2.2.1.1.1.2

              “and i’d prefer if you stop hitting on me please”

              No, I was just grabbing a gummi Venus de Milo that got stuck to your pants.

              mmmm gummy venus

  3. Lew 3

    Rather than a bunch of people talling the NZ electorate which electoral system is best for them, why don’t we ask people what they want in an electoral system and use their responses to suggest which option they should vote for in the referendum?

    L

    • gitmo 3.1

      That would be novel Lew …. I’d expect they’d request less MPs and binding referenda high on the wish list.

      • Lew 3.1.1

        Gitmo, if the success of the 99 MP Party and Direct Democracy Party are anything to judge by, I rather doubt that. For another thing, the second part of that isn’t really within the ambit of ‘electoral system’.

        Generally speaking, the electorate at large isn’t typically quite as venal as its most brazen self-promoters, and tends to make decisions based less on strict self-interest than on broad grounds of equity and just-ness.

        L

        • Graeme Edgeler 3.1.1.1

          Why would you assume that the success of the 99 MP Party and Direct Democracy Party are anything to judge by?

          Do you feel the same way about New Zealand becoming a Republic? After all, the Republic of New Zealand Party got 313 party votes at the last election.

          • Lew 3.1.1.1.1

            Fair enough, Graeme, that was a bit cute of me.

            L

            • Ron 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Actually no it isn’t “fair enough” , Lew.

              The 99 MP party and the Direct Democracy (wetf that means) are leaders of a movement to achieve the aims stated in their names. The Republic of NZ Party really has no standing in the repubklican mvt.

              HOWEVER. I agree that, unfortuinately, we would probably find a majority voting for fewer MPs and probably even for binding referenda. Unfortunately (and I know I’ll be accused of undervaluing my fellow voters’ intelligence) most people don’t know wtf they are talking about when it comes to voting systems and democratic processes.

              The majority vote for MMP was a result of voter dissatisfaction with politicians. A majority vote for FFP this time will just reflect the same thing. Ask them HOW the change will improve matters and MOST voters won’t have a logical answer.

            • Lew 3.1.1.1.1.2

              Graeme’s wider point, I think, is that an unknown single-issue political party receiving hardly any votes at an election doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody supports their single issue.

              People don’t — and shouldn’t ned to — understand the finer mechanics of electoral systems. So I don’t propose to ask them just a plain question of ‘what electoral system do you want’ as the referendum asks; I’d rather ask them a series of questions they can actually answer in an informed fashion and deduce from their answers what sort of electoral system would best fit their preference.

              L

      • Pat 3.1.2

        I’d like to see a party’s list MPs determined by the number of electoral votes each candidate got.

        That way someone who gets 7000 votes but doesn’t win their seat, gets in ahead of someone else in the party who only got 700 votes (but would have been placed higher on the list under the old system).

        Seems more democratic.

  4. tc 4

    Awesome says NACT , here’s another Poll we can ignore and do what we want to anyway as we have this awesome mandate of…um…errr a couple of seats with MP and ACT thrown in.

    Nanny state is gone, coming soon …..We know best State, so shut up or we’ll use our impressive powers against you eh Paula.

  5. Nick 5

    It is a rogue poll as most people have cellphones these days and weren’t called.

    In any event, the referendum was a NACT election promise. You guys will be the first to complain if it is broken.

  6. Geek 6

    Lew hit the nail on the head. I think the results would probably be something similar to MMP with some working on what it’s perceived flaws are.

    As to the government ignoring popular opinions, that’s nothing new and it only ever changes in election year when all of a sudden all parties are listening to us.

    • Pascal's bookie 6.1

      “I think the results would probably be something similar to MMP with some working on what it’s perceived flaws are.”

      Agreed, hopefully that’ll be an option.

  7. tc 7

    It’s ironic that the promise to look at it by the nats is one promise they probably would like to go back on more than the others.
    They’ve got MMP working perfectly for them…..MP block votes help carry the contentious stuff through whilst Wodders mob carry the can for the radical right agenda they have and any downside on Supercity can be layed at Hides door.

    They’re on a winner either way here.

  8. Andrew 8

    More detailed findings can be found at UMR’s Facebook page:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wellington/UMR-Research/109078387174

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Govt invests in New Zealand’s wine future
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has officially opened New Zealand Wine Centre–Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa in Blenheim today, saying that investments like these give us cause for optimism for the future. Funding of $3.79 million for the Marlborough Research Centre to build a national wine centre was announced in 2020, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago
  • Appointment of Judges of the Court Martial Appeal Court
    Attorney-General David Parker today announced the appointment of Colonel Craig Ruane, Commander Robyn Loversidge, and James Wilding KC as Judges of the Court Martial Appeal Court. The Court Martial Appeal Court is a senior court of record established under the Court Martial Appeals Act 1953. It is summoned by the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago
  • Government strengthens measures to combat migrant worker exploitation
    Offence and penalty regime significantly strengthened New infringement offences for non-compliance Public register of individuals and businesses that are found guilty of migrant exploitation New community-led pilot to educate migrants workers and employers of employment rights Implemented reporting tools successfully brings exploitation out of the shadows Take-up of protective visa ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Livestock exports by sea to cease
    The passing of a Bill today to end the export of livestock by sea will protect New Zealand’s reputation for world-leading animal welfare standards, Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor said. “The Animal Welfare Amendment Bill future-proofs our economic security amid increasing consumer scrutiny across the board on production practices," Damien ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • Extra measures to increase census turnout in 2023
    3500 census workers on the ground, twice as many as last census More forms to be delivered – 44% compared to 3% in 2018 Prioritisation of Māori and other groups and regions with lower response rates in 2018 Major work to ensure the delivery of a successful census in 2023 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Shining the light on screen workers
    Improved working conditions for workers in the screen industry is now a reality with the Screen Industry Workers Bill passing its third reading today, announced Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Michael Wood. “It’s fantastic to see the Screen Industry Workers Bill progress through Parliament. The new Act will strengthen protections ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Mental health resources for young people and schools launched
    Associate Minister of Education (School Operations) Jan Tinetti and Associate Minister of Education (Māori Education) Kelvin Davis have today launched two new resources to support wellbeing, and the teaching and learning of mental health education in schools and kura. “Students who are happy and healthy learn better. These resources ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Progress continues on future-proofing Auckland’s transport infrastructure
    Transport Minister Michael Wood has welcomed the latest progress on Auckland’s two most transformational transport projects in a generation – Auckland Light Rail and the Additional Waitematā Harbour Connections. Auckland Light Rail and Waka Kotahi NZ Transport Agency have named preferred bidders to move each project to their next phase, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government supports local innovation in homelessness prevention
    Ten successful applicants in round two of the Local Innovation and Partnership Fund (LIPF) Close to $6 million allocated as part of the Homelessness Action Plan (HAP) Māori, Pasefika and rangatahi a strong focus Round three opening later this year with up to $6.8 million available. Government is stepping up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • More medicines for New Zealanders, thanks to Govt’s Budget boost
    Health Minister Andrew Little is welcoming news that two more important medicines are set to be funded, thanks to the Government’s big boost to the country’s medicines budget. “Since coming into Government in 2017, the Labour Government has increased Pharmac’s funding by 43 per cent, including a $71 million boost ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government delivers ACC change to support 28,000 parents
    The Maternal Birth Injury and Other Matters Bill passes Third Reading – the first amendment to ACC legislation of its kind From 1 October 2022, new ACC cover to benefit approximately 28,000 birthing parents Additional maternal birth injuries added alongside new review provision to ensure cover remains comprehensive Greater clarity ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Further cuts for East Coast tarakihi limits to rebuild numbers faster
    Commercial catch limits for East Coast tarakihi will be reduced further to help the stock rebuild faster. “Tarakihi is a popular fish, and this has led to declining levels over time. Many adjustments have been made and the stock is recovering. I have decided on further commercial catch reductions of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Ambassador to Colombia announced
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced the appointment of diplomat Nicci Stilwell as the next Ambassador to Colombia. “Aotearoa New Zealand’s relationship with Colombia is fast growing with strong links across education, climate change and indigenous co-operation,” Nanaia Mahuta said.  “Trade is a key part of our relationship with Colombia, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • 3000 more RSE workers to ease workforce pressures
    The Government continues to respond to global workforce shortages by announcing the largest increase in over a decade to the Recognised Seasonal Employer Scheme (RSE), providing 3000 additional places, Immigration Minister Michael Wood and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor have announced. The new RSE cap will allow access to 19,000 workers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Sanctions on more of the Russian political elite
    Further sanctions are being imposed on members of President Putin’s inner circle and other representatives of the Russian political elite, as part of the Governments ongoing response to the war in Ukraine, says Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta. “Ukraine has been clear that the most important action we can take to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Principal Youth Court Judge appointed
    Judge Ida Malosi, District Court Judge of Wellington, has been appointed as the new Principal Youth Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. Born and raised in Southland, Judge Malosi graduated from Victoria University of Wellington and spent her legal career in South Auckland.  She was a founding partner of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Visitor arrivals highest since pandemic began
    Overseas visitor arrivals exceeded 100,000 in July, for the first time since the borders closed in March 2020 Strong ski season lifts arrivals to Queenstown to at least 90% of the same period in 2019 Australia holiday recovery has continued to trend upwards New Zealand’s tourism recovery is on its ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Language provides hope for Tuvalu
    Climate change continues to present a major risk for the island nation of Tuvalu, which means sustaining te gana Tuvalu, both on home soil and in New Zealand Aotearoa, has never been more important, Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio said. The Tuvalu Auckland Community Trust and wider Tuvalu ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Minister Sio to attend Asian Development Bank meeting in Manila
    Associate Foreign Affairs Minister Aupito William Sio travels to the Philippines this weekend to represent Aotearoa New Zealand at the 55th Annual Meeting of the Asian Development Bank (ADB) Board of Governors in Manila. “The ADB Annual Meeting provides an opportunity to engage with other ADB member countries, including those ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • United Nations General Assembly National Statement
    E ngā Mana, e ngā Reo, Rau Rangatira mā kua huihui mai nei i tēnei Whare Nui o te Ao Ngā mihi maioha ki a koutou katoa, mai i tōku Whenua o Aotearoa Tuia ki runga, Tuia ki raro, ka Rongo to pō ka rongo te ao Nō reira, tēnā ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New strategy unifies all-of-Government approach to help Pacific languages thrive
    A united approach across all-of-Government underpins the new Pacific Language Strategy, announced by the Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio at Parliament today. “The cornerstone of our Pacific cultures, identities and place in Aotearoa, New Zealand are our Pacific languages. They are at the heart of our wellbeing,” Aupito ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Upgrades for sporting facilities ahead of FIFA Women’s World Cup
    Communities across the country will benefit from newly upgraded sporting facilities as a result of New Zealand co-hosting the FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023. The Government is investing around $19 million to support upgrades at 30 of the 32 potential sporting facilities earmarked for the tournament, including pitch, lighting and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Partnership supports climate action in Latin America and Caribbean
    Aotearoa New Zealand is extending the reach of its support for climate action to a new agriculture initiative with partners in Latin America and the Caribbean. Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced a NZ$10 million contribution to build resilience, enhance food security and address the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Landmark agreement for Māori fisheries celebrates 30th year
    The 30th anniversary of the Fisheries Deed of Settlement is a time to celebrate a truly historic partnership that has helped transform communities, says Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries Rino Tirikatene. “The agreement between the Crown and Māori righted past wrongs, delivered on the Crown’s treaty ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Government backs initiatives to cut environmental impact of plastic waste
    The Government has today announced funding for projects that will cut plastic waste and reduce its impact on the environment. “Today I am announcing the first four investments to be made from the $50 million Plastics Innovation Fund, which was set last year and implemented a 2020 election promise,” Environment ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Call for expressions of interest in appointment to the High Court Bench
    Attorney-General David Parker today called for nominations and expressions of interest in appointment to the High Court Bench.  This is a process conducted at least every three years and ensures the Attorney-General has up to date information from which to make High Court appointments.  “It is important that when appointments ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Depositor compensation scheme protects Kiwis’ money
    New Zealanders will have up to $100,000 of their deposits in any eligible institution guaranteed in the event that institution fails, under legislation introduced in Parliament today. The Deposit Takers Bill is the third piece of legislation in a comprehensive review of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Act and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New fund to help more Pacific aiga into their own homes
    The Government has launched a new housing fund that will help more Pacific aiga achieve the dream of home ownership. “The Pacific Building Affordable Homes Fund will help organisations, private developers, Māori/iwi, and NGOs build affordable housing for Pacific families and establish better pathways to home ownership within Pacific communities. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • More than 100,000 new Kiwis as halfway point reached
    Over 100,000 new Kiwis can now call New Zealand ‘home’ after the 2021 Resident Visa reached the halfway point of approvals, Minister of Immigration Michael Wood announced today. “This is another important milestone, highlighting the positive impact our responsive and streamlined immigration system is having by providing comfort to migrant ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill passes third reading – He mea pāhi te Maniapoto Claims Settl...
    Nā te Minita mō ngā Take Tiriti o Waitangi, nā Andrew Little,  te iwi o Maniapoto i rāhiri i tēnei rā ki te mātakitaki i te pānuitanga tuatoru o te Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill - te pikinga whakamutunga o tā rātou whakataunga Tiriti o Waitangi o mua. "Me mihi ka ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • 50,000 more kids to benefit from equity-based programmes next year
    Another 47,000 students will be able to access additional support through the school donations scheme, and a further 3,000 kids will be able to get free and healthy school lunches as a result of the Equity Index.  That’s on top of nearly 90% of schools that will also see a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Healthy Active Learning now in 40 percent of schools across New Zealand
    A total of 800 schools and kura nationwide are now benefitting from a physical activity and nutrition initiative aimed at improving the wellbeing of children and young people. Healthy Active Learning was funded for the first time in the inaugural Wellbeing Budget and was launched in 2020. It gets regional ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Speech at 10th meeting of the Friends of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty
    Kia Ora. It is a pleasure to join you here today at this 10th meeting of the Friends of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty. This gathering provides an important opportunity to reiterate our unwavering commitment to achieving a world without nuclear weapons, for which the entry into force of this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Speech for Earthshot Prize Innovation Summit 2022
    Kia ora koutou katoa Thank you for the invitation to join you. It’s a real pleasure to be here, and to be in such fine company.  I want to begin today by acknowledging His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales and Sir David Attenborough in creating what is becoming akin ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New accreditation builds capacity for Emergency Management Volunteers
    Emergency Management Minister Kieran McAnulty has recognised the first team to complete a newly launched National Accreditation Process for New Zealand Response Team (NZ-RT) volunteers. “NZ-RT volunteers play a crucial role in our emergency response system, supporting response and recovery efforts on the ground. This new accreditation makes sure our ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt strengthens trans-Tasman emergency management cooperation
    Aotearoa New Zealand continues to strengthen global emergency management capability with a new agreement between New Zealand and Australia, says Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty. “The Government is committed to improving our global and national emergency management system, and the Memorandum of Cooperation signed is another positive step towards ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Christchurch Call Initiative on Algorithmic Outcomes
    Today New Zealand, the USA, Twitter, and Microsoft, announced investment in a technology innovation initiative under the banner of the Christchurch Call.  This initiative will support the creation of new technology to understand the impacts of algorithms on people’s online experiences.  Artificial Intelligence (AI) algorithms play a growing role in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • JOINT PR: Trans-Tasman Cooperation on disaster management
    Hon Kieran McAnulty, New Zealand Minister for Emergency Management Senator The Hon Murray Watt, Federal Minister for Emergency Management Strengthening Trans-Tasman cooperation on disaster management issues was a key area of focus when Australia and New Zealand’s disaster management ministers met this week on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • More transparency, less red-tape for modernised charities sector
    The Charities Amendment Bill has been introduced today which will modernise the charities sector by increasing transparency, improving access to justice services and reducing the red-tape that smaller charities face, Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector Priyanca Radhakrishnan said. “These changes will make a meaningful difference to over 28,000 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Pacific visas reopened to help boost workforce
    Work continues on delivering on a responsive and streamlined immigration system to help relieve workforce shortages, with the reopening of longstanding visa categories, Immigration Minister Michael Wood has announced.  From 3 October 2022, registrations for the Samoan Quota will reopen, and from 5 October registrations for the Pacific Access Category ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago