Poverty Watch 45

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1. rosy 1

   24 August 2013 at 9:01 am

   Where is the “somewhere else” that Goldsmith speaks of?
2. tracey 2

   24 August 2013 at 1:15 pm

   rosy

   i propose epsom.
   • rosy 2.1

     24 August 2013 at 8:33 pm

     Epsom is entirely appropriate. 🙂
3. srylands 3

   24 August 2013 at 1:31 pm

   We should at the very least discourage begging.

   Give everyone a guaranteed minimum income of $15,000 per year. No WINZ, work tests, no abatement.
   • Mary 3.1

     24 August 2013 at 6:49 pm

     Add-ons for illness, disability, kids etc?
   • rosy 3.2

     24 August 2013 at 8:32 pm

     I agree. Guaranteed minimum income.
4. beGone Craven SpyBill leopard 4

   24 August 2013 at 1:34 pm

   It would be altogether better for our society to have the destitution that is created by the craven economic policies we vote for in our faces. This might encourage us to see that there is something seriously wrong. Keeping those eyes tight shut makes for not much chance of improvement.

   This really is a disgusting move.
5. tracey 5

   24 August 2013 at 1:38 pm

   do we actually encouragr begging?

   i just dont get how seemingly intelligent people prose a ban and to move them on without the obvious next bit… to where.

   it smacks of ” get them out of my line of vision, it really wrecks things to be reminded and makes the house look messy.

   its not a solution except to some peoples desire to delude themselves about the world they live in and allow them to continue believing tgat poverty doesnr exist in nz.
   • srylands 5.1

     24 August 2013 at 4:20 pm

     “i just dont get how seemingly intelligent people prose a ban and to move them on without the obvious next bit… to where.”

     Is there any evidence that most of them are homeless? If not, the answer is “go home”
     • rosy 5.1.1

       24 August 2013 at 8:29 pm

       Can’t earn money sitting at home.
6. AsleepWhileWalking 6

   24 August 2013 at 4:21 pm

   Shouldn’t we be banning poverty?
7. tracey 7

   24 August 2013 at 5:04 pm

   Is there evidence they have homes to go to or why they consider they need to beg
8. Mary 8

   24 August 2013 at 7:11 pm

   It’s going to be interesting how the bylaw will be enforced. Will a person who’s merely sitting on the pavement with a sign and bucket but well out of everybody’s way be regarded as “intimidating” or a “nuisance”? I suspect that this intimidation/nuisance threshold has been put in place merely as an attempt to protect against NZBORA claims but that the intention is to use the bylaw to move everyone along who some Queen St shopkeeper doesn’t like the look of. My prediction is that the courts will very quickly put the brakes on the bylaw being used to do this. The test is very close to disorderly behaviour (begging the question why it’s needed in the first place) which requires a little bit more than sitting quietly in a corner with your cap out. But then Auckland Council knew that if they banned all begging outright the courts would knock it straight out as preventing freedom of expression under NZRORA, and probably a handful of other sections of that Act, too. The upshot is that after a court case or two the bylaw will be useless.
   • xtasy 8.1

     25 August 2013 at 4:07 am

     Mary – I would not put it past this government, to make a rushed move, to amend the Bora, to basically take out those parts that they dislike, and that may hinder them bringing in more laws that are discriminatory and take away people’s rights. With only just over a year to the next elections, they may push it through under urgency, before we may have time to even send in submissions.

     What is happening to this constitution debate and review by the way? Or has that been put into the too difficult drawer as well?
     • Mary 8.1.1

       25 August 2013 at 6:14 pm

       You may be right, xtasy. The response to the carers’ case was abysmal. Showed the true level of contempt this government has to human rights and NZBORA concerns. Legislating the remedy was bad enough although not surprising. What was definitely telling was preventing Part 1A challenges to that new legislation when the only thing at stake when it’s legislation is a declaration of inconsistency with NZBORA, that’s it. Locking the remedy up in legislation protected government against having to do anything further, but then went further to stop even a declaration. Unbelievable. Utter contempt towards human rights and Bill of Rights protections.
9. beGone Craven Spy Bill leopard 9

   24 August 2013 at 8:28 pm

   Gee, I hope you leave ‘Ramonds’ spam up. What a brilliant example of the mechanisms of how we all are rattling down the road of bankruptcy.

   “This is to help you meet your financial obligations especially with the ongoing global financial crisis”

   How could taking out more debt help “meet financial obligations”? What about the “financial obligation” of paying back that debt?

   What a load of bloody nonsense we are living under just now.
10. xtasy 10

    25 August 2013 at 4:03 am

    Liquor ban area, beggar ban area, smoker ban area, poor person ban area, beneficiary ban area, poorly dressed ban area, wrong coloured ban area, free speech ban area, public eating ban area, and so the list is likely to be continued over coming years, in Auckland City, and possibly other urban centres as well.

    I smell a hint of fascism spreading, intolerance growing, divisions increasing, frictions increasing and a society being created, where the few “better off” will live in gated communities, and many others in ghettos, separated by fences, walls, barriers, and kept apart by private security personnel and police.

    Welcome to the future of Aoteaoroa NZ that is in losing it’s heart and soul.

    Certainly the “Heart of the City” in Auckland has got a totally new meaning now. Shame on those in Council who voted this in.
11. Craig Y 11

    25 August 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Next stop, Brazilian paramilitary style social cleansing? Incidentally, is this any different from the similar bigots who want to ban street sex work from Papatoetoe and Manukau? No, it isn’t. I oppose beggar bans, beneficiary bashing and the sinister street sex work ban promoted by New Zealand First MP Asenati Lole-Taylor, which will be highly destructive to transgender street sex workers health and perhaps lives. Which is also one reason why I’d not vote for Len Brown if I lived in Auckland.
    • xtasy 11.1

      25 August 2013 at 11:05 pm

      Craig Y – while I am highly critical of Asenati LOL Taylor, and those supporting her, I think there is an issue with street prostitution and some minors getting involved. I do therefore not share your “libertarian” view on this, as I would rather see NO prostitution, as males and females should responsibly and voluntarily engage in sexual activities as mature persons, not treat this as a commodity, which is symptomatic of a capitalist society, where whatever activity is considered a “service delivery” and “service purchasing” arrangement.

      Would you want to turn other physical functions into commercial activities, to allow people to make profit from it, or a living for that sake, while it should just be part of mature, material living, also involving emotional and other aspects?

      I think that prostitution is degrading, and people should not even be forced into situations to engage in such. Any work should be free and dignified, and not involve compromises on emotional or other parts of human being. Prostitution is generally done by people who also suffer from addiction and various forms of exploitation, and that is not at all to be encouraged.

      As for transgender persons, why do they need to make a living to sell their bodies and whatever, should they not be allowed same rights and treatment, so they would be respected and accepted as ordinary fellow citizens, to participate in any more dignified and sound work or whatever other activities. This is a subject often abused, also by those thinking it is a “right” to be free to choose to do whatever, for gender equality. Why is there less male prostitution? Maybe because social norms favour males and give them more acceptable means and ways to earn an income?

      A rethink of your arguments is suggested, but that is up to you to look at and follow through.
12. Ed 12

    26 August 2013 at 10:26 am

    Related to poverty, but not begging bans, I came across this site which has some interesting material
    http://povertyactionwaikato.org/archives.html

    The interface appears to be trying to make it as hard as possible to print out teh reports and read them, but it is worth persevering.

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