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1. Anne 1

   17 February 2023 at 12:24 pm

   His latest public utterance was to say that the Government should not be writing a blank cheque at a time where many will be wanting the Government to stand up and sort things out.

   If that is what he said then it doesn't even make sense. How can you not write out some cheques when the people want you to "stand up and sort things out". Yeah we know what he means but really… he needs to go back to school and learn how to speak the language properly. 🙄
   • roy cartland 1.1

     17 February 2023 at 1:58 pm

     Not write a blank check. That's a double negative, even. What an egg.
   • RosieLee 1.2

     17 February 2023 at 4:47 pm

     "Not writing a blank cheque" is a perfectly well known expression which means that there is no licence to print and spend uncontrolled money. Standing up and sorting things out is completely different.
     • Anne 1.2.1

       17 February 2023 at 7:12 pm

       We know what he meant but who is talking about "printing money" and how can you "sort things out" without writing some cheques (as the expression goes) in the process.

       NAct is readying itself to start howling about government wastage – spending voter's money right, left and centre – and causing inflation to rise for all us hard-working NZers?

       Totally ignoring the fact we are seeing an horrific disaster unfold before our eyes and only the government has the wherewithal to 'sort things out'.

       As roy cartland says "What an egg".
2. Ad 2

   17 February 2023 at 12:37 pm

   Early election say August. Carpe diem.
   • Obtrectator 2.1

     17 February 2023 at 1:34 pm

     NO! That sort of opportunist behaviour is seldom looked upon favourably.
     • woodart 2.1.1

       17 February 2023 at 6:22 pm

       thats the sort of nonsense that hooten is spruiking.
3. weka 3

   17 February 2023 at 12:47 pm

   We are incredibly fortunate. Full kudos to Labour for Little standing aside and the rise of Ardern in 2017, and now Ardern standing aside and Hipkins stepping up and being competent. We don't need another hero, what we needed right now was a bloke who would get on with things, had the social intelligence to both connect with the issues that matter to people and manage the pragmatics of the daily grind and the emergencies.

   I'm starting to think we might even end up with a bloody good government this year. Labour led, with a good showing of Green MPs and Te Pati Māori holding the keys to forming government. There's an opportunity here for the left, to really get behind an MMP election campaign.
   • Tony Veitch 3.1

     17 February 2023 at 1:40 pm

     
     “Labour led, with a good showing of Green MPs and Te Pati Māori holding the keys to forming government.”
     • Anne 3.1.1

       17 February 2023 at 7:14 pm

       
4. tsmithfield 4

   17 February 2023 at 1:15 pm

   I actually think Hipkins is doing a great job. It wouldn't surpise me at all if Labour win now.

   I would be a bit disappointed if Labour gets back in. But, overall, I wouldn't be too bothered because I think the current Labour iteration is much more centrist, which is not too far away from where I place myself.
   • woodart 4.1

     17 February 2023 at 1:24 pm

     so, totally non-commital then? sounds like luxo.
     • weka 4.1.1

       17 February 2023 at 2:33 pm

       nah, tsmithfield is slowly moving left 😉
       • tsmithfield 4.1.1.1

         17 February 2023 at 5:04 pm

         LOL. I am economically right wing, but more left wing so far as social justice issues are concerned.
         • Patricia Bremner 4.1.1.1.1

           18 February 2023 at 8:53 am

           Good, you know money is not always the answer
         • UncookedSelachimorpha 4.1.1.1.2

           18 February 2023 at 9:44 am

           They can enjoy equal rights*, while remaining impoverished.

           (* except economic opportunity)
           • Patricia Bremner 4.1.1.1.2.1

             18 February 2023 at 2:27 pm

             Please do not twist my words. I meant tsmithfield understood there were more important values than money values. You are implying I meant something else. I find the inference hurtful.
         • Shanreagh 4.1.1.1.3

           18 February 2023 at 3:14 pm

           Good 'onya TS.

           I always enjoy your posts.
5. Tony Veitch 5

   17 February 2023 at 1:46 pm

   The electorate rewarded Jacinda Ardern and Labour for a strong showing during the covid pandemic, and

   the electorate will reward Chippy and Labour for a strong response to this crisis!

   And there's nothing, nothing I tells ya, Act/Natz can do about that!
   • roblogic 5.1

     17 February 2023 at 7:15 pm

     Wayne Brown was propelled into the Mayor's office by the Right and probably residual resentment against Jacinda. But now Luxon is copping the blowback of resentment against Wayne Brown and closer examination of National's "policies" (vague bullet points) that don't help anyone
6. PsyclingLeft.Always 6

   17 February 2023 at 7:16 pm

   Seymour :

   He said the sequence of events this morning "only reinforces that, just like under Jacinda, Labour loves disaster politics".

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484228/act-criticises-cyclone-response-parliament-hiatus

   What..a fkn jerk. Jacinda had him summed up. Who could possibly think he was worth voting for ?

   And Chris Hipkins…comes the hour, comes the man
7. Thinker 7

   17 February 2023 at 8:48 pm

   No disagreements to anything in this article, but a few additional points, all of which my opinion and not based on any facts:

   1. I think people are less likely to vote for change while it's perceived we are not out of a crisis. That's in Chris Hipkins' favour. George W Bush's popularity was boosted by 9/11, for example. I always thought that might have been part of the reason for Labour's massive win in 2020.

   2. National must be seething because Wayne Brown is seen by most people as a right-wing politician. I don't know if National had any skin in Brown's game, but perceptions are what counts in politics, I think.

   3. Yes, indeed, Chris Hipkins not only did a great job of showing leadership when a leadership vacuum presented itself, but he seems to have done equally well in his choice of Ministers, most of whom are also presenting equally as well. I think one can tell how the media perceive someone (on behalf of us all, because they write what they think we want to read) by the tone and intellectual level of questions they ask. If that's true, it's all Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows for Hipkins.

   4. Agree that Luxon is not a great frontperson for National. Been trying to work out why. I think he answers questions based on a limited view of the question being asked. In doing so, he forgets there is a big picture that he risks damaging and so when he says something to excite one group he ends up offending a load more people.

   5. Plus, he's in the trap of saying things to appeal to people who are already likely to vote National, which does nothing to help National's chances. Anyone in his shoes needs to appeal to swinging voters who, by definition, have DNA that is both right and left. Hipkins is cleverly appealing to that DNA type. Luxon appears to be trying to appeal to the National Party leadership, not the swinging voters.

   6. For a third of New Zealand's population (Auckland), National's worst problem is not Wayne Brown (who appears to have arms-length alignment to National) but Desley Simpson, who is about as close to the core of National as one can get. No disrespect to Simpson, she's a consummate local politician and, I reckon, if her politics were left she would be a jewel in the left's crown. She is a problem because she's the Deputy Mayor to a Mayor who's becoming increasingly unpopular. That gives her two options, neither of which help National:

   Option 1: If she distances herself from the train wreck and aligns with the popular opinion of Wayne Brown, she (aka National) risks looking disloyal and possibly even undemocratic, given that, however they might feel now, the majority voted for Wayne Brown. Or,

   Option 2: If she behaves like a professional local politician, she must stand by Wayne Brown and either endorse what he says and does or at least attempt damage control. This seems to be the approach she is taking and who could blame her. But she (aka National) risks looking like she endorses what Wayne Brown is doing and saying. Part of me wonders if Gerry Brownlee, who had experience in the Christchurch crises, was a safe pair of hands to appear a bit critical of Wayne Brown and help National distance themselves from the downside risk. Not being from Auckland, he could criticise from afar.

   I began this year wondering if Labour could squeeze a third term, but I'm becoming increasingly hopeful (though not complacent).
8. Patricia Bremner 8

   18 February 2023 at 9:50 am

   I feel Jacinda Ardern gave Chris Hipkins three large roles to ready him for the task of leadership.

   He has moved seamlessly from a "Fix-it" role to Prime Minister, complete with his own style.

   Yes, he has coped well and chosen well in his team, but remaining upbeat in the face of this utter destruction is going to be a huge test.

   We are still in the discovery and rescue stage, and already there are voices claiming Napier has been "neglected" in a couple of Stuff articles where the author's name was hard to find.

   The recovery is going to be very hard, as some areas will never recover from the slips and silt deposits. Food production in the area is disrupted badly and recovery may not happen in some cases.

   For Seymour to claim "Labour loves disaster politics" when he himself is doing disaster politics by being crass and quite detached from the tragedy unfolding, may cause some to consider him inadequate for any meaningful role. I predict a drop in ACT support.

   Luxon has been given some lines of gravitas to quote by his superiors, but his heart is not in it and it shows. He too appears detached and his talk of tens of years is not what people need now. It is so obviously about the money with him and his business support buddies.

   Stuff has asked business to stump up donations. Yes!! Yes!! They should give at least what they put in National's war chest for the Election.

   If they don't… what does that tell the rest of us?
   • PsyclingLeft.Always 8.1

     18 February 2023 at 10:12 am

     Hi Patricia…Hope you and family all good? Oh was article this one?

     Cyclone Gabrielle showed Napier has been 'abandoned' by central government, says deputy mayor

     https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300810489/cyclone-gabrielle-showed-napier-has-been-abandoned-by-central-government-says-deputy-mayor

     and apparently Ol' Depity Mayor Annette has gone "rouge"

     I’m sorry, I’m going rouge

     https://www.facebook.com/Annette4Napier/#:~:text=Napier%20and%20City%20Councillor,-1K%20followers

     Might be more "bleu" ……or blehhh : )

     Edit….Maybe..just maybe, mind..she has also been critical of the nats?

     And, All the best to Napier…and ALL flood affected
     • Tony Veitch 8.1.1

       18 February 2023 at 10:32 am

       It might be better for all concerned if she didn't go "rogue!"
       Seriously, where do we get local body politicians?
       • Obtrectator 8.1.1.1

         18 February 2023 at 11:09 am

         From the locality, of course. So sometimes a very small talent-pool.
         • Patricia Bremner 8.1.1.1.1

           18 February 2023 at 12:59 pm

           Thin talent pool imo. After all where things are built is a Council decision.

           Also loud cries of "no interference" from groups has been off putting. No matter what the calamity, some would stand on strange principles.
     • observer 8.1.2

       18 February 2023 at 12:30 pm

       I don't think we should have a knee-jerk reaction of "local councillor criticises central governments (plural, note), therefore must be right-wing and wrong".

       The lack of infrastructure investment has been holding us back for years. Even though Labour has done more than National, who would rather sell than build (except roads). Who now remembers Bill English's "Future Investment Fund"? Almost nobody, I'd guess. It was a slogan, little else.

       Luxon is repeating the rhetoric now. Invest, invest, but don't spend, spend. It's a con, and he isn't called out on it nearly enough.
       • georgecom 8.1.2.1

         18 February 2023 at 1:26 pm

         the time now for a capital gains tax I think. Allocate some of the funds to raising tax thresholds for low and middle income kiwis – address the inflation issue. The rest of the income tagged into rebuilding infrastructure. Cannot see many people moaning about CGT income being used in those areas, or moaning with much sympathy given to them. Tap a new income stream to fund what we desperately need.
     • Patricia Bremner 8.1.3

       18 February 2023 at 12:53 pm

       All good, and thank you PSA. sorry this did not attach at 8.1
     • dvT 8.1.4

       18 February 2023 at 1:36 pm

       Maybe the Govt SHOULD abandon them, to serve them right!!

       OK your on your own Sort it yourself.

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